February 17, 2014 
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February 17, 2014 [00:02:53] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[00:05:53] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[00:06:18] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[00:08:49] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has quit IRC[00:22:41] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:22:57] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:24:41] <HaikuUser> Hello![00:26:36] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[00:27:24] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[00:28:18] *** HaikuUser is now known as _Santi_[00:28:36] <_Santi_> Are there any battery meters for Haiku?[00:33:10] <luroh> _Santi_: desktop applets -> powerstatus[00:33:46] <_Santi_> Sorry, I'm completely new to BeOS and Haiku, how would I go about installing powerstatus[00:34:02] <_Santi_> Sorry, not powerstatus, but hpkgs in general.[00:34:48] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:35:05] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[00:35:38] <luroh> try the HaikuDepot application, there's not much software packaged as hpkg yet though[00:37:06] <luroh> there's also a user hostile application called haikuporter, which lets you build from source[00:40:36] <_Santi_> I've looked at haikuporter, there isn't much in the way of documentation though.[00:44:08] <_Santi_> How would I go about installing say, qupzilla with haikuporter?[00:44:56] <luroh> no idea, sorry[00:45:20] <_Santi_> Or conventionally even, because I have no idea where these lib files go.[00:47:21] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:48:10] <luroh> non-packaged apps can be put in /boot/home/config/non-packaged[00:49:46] <luroh> ...where 'put in' may involve paying attention to directory hierarchy[00:49:50] <umccullough> or /boot/system/non-packaged[00:50:01] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[00:58:50] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[01:00:09] *** _Santi_ has quit IRC[01:04:00] *** _Santi_ has joined #haiku[01:04:45] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:05:56] *** axeld has quit IRC[01:06:27] <_Santi_> Why Is Vision so buried in Haiku?[01:10:51] *** _Santi_ has quit IRC[01:11:10] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:19:14] *** epigraph has quit IRC[01:19:25] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:20:29] *** slubman has quit IRC[01:20:48] *** slubman has joined #haiku[01:23:50] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:58:40] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[01:59:45] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[02:00:15] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[02:02:11] *** jrg2 has quit IRC[02:13:52] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[02:17:04] *** _Dario has joined #haiku[02:21:09] *** _Dario has quit IRC[02:39:34] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[02:54:34] *** HAIKU-Buildbot has joined #haiku[02:59:30] *** morten77 has joined #haiku[03:10:00] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:25:38] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1624 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_64] [x86_64] @release-anyboot [x86_64] build repository haiku [x86_64] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1624 blamelist: Axel D?rfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>, J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>, Stephan A?mus[03:25:38] <HAIKU-Buildbot> <superstippi at gmx dot de>, Jonathan Schleifer <js at webkeks dot org>, John Scipione <jscipione at gmail dot com>, Ithamar R. Adema <ithamar at upgrade-android dot com>[03:27:48] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[03:33:25] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[03:33:50] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[03:39:42] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[03:50:50] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2217 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86]] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/2217 blamelist: Axel D?rfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>, J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>, Stephan A?mus <superstippi at gmx dot de>, Jonathan Schleifer <js at webkeks dot org>, John Scipione <jscipione at gmail dot com>, Ithamar R.[03:50:50] <HAIKU-Buildbot> Adema <ithamar at upgrade-android dot com>[03:51:22] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[03:53:06] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[04:00:19] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:00:21] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2486 of x86-debug-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86]-debug] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-debug-any-host/builds/2486 blamelist: Axel D?rfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>, J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>, Stephan A?mus <superstippi at gmx dot de>, Jonathan Schleifer <js at webkeks dot org>, John Scipione <jscipione at gmail dot com>,[04:00:21] <HAIKU-Buildbot> Ithamar R. Adema <ithamar at upgrade-android dot com>[04:31:52] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2346 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86] @release-anyboot [x86] @release-vmware [x86] @release-cd [x86] @nightly-raw [x86] haiku-boot-floppy [x86] -sTARGET_BOOT_PLATFORM=pxe_ia32 pxehaiku-loader haiku-netboot-archive [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-cd [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-raw[04:31:52] <HAIKU-Buildbot> [x86gcc4hybrid] haiku-boot-floppy [x86gcc4hybrid] -sTARGET_BOOT_PLATFORM=pxe_ia32 pxehaiku-loader haiku-netboot-archive [x86gcc4hybrid] build repository haiku [x86gcc4hybrid] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2346 blamelist: Axel D?rfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>, J?r?me Duval[04:31:53] <HAIKU-Buildbot> <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>, Stephan A?mus <superstippi at gmx dot de>, Jonathan Schleifer <js at webkeks dot org>, John Scipione <jscipione at gmail dot com>, Ithamar R. Adema <ithamar at upgrade-android dot com>[04:36:20] *** NegrO_ has joined #haiku[04:39:46] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[04:49:42] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[04:49:48] *** soakbot has quit IRC[04:50:02] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[04:52:38] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:53:42] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[04:55:56] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[05:08:05] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[05:08:12] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[05:18:03] *** nikolam has joined #haiku[05:18:30] <nikolam> hi, how do I update Haiku?[05:19:22] <nikolam> about window is saying here: R1/alpha4 revision hrsvr1alpha4-44702[05:24:32] *** nikolam has quit IRC[05:30:32] *** umccullough has quit IRC[05:31:08] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[06:00:41] *** NegrO_ has quit IRC[06:02:37] *** Santi has joined #haiku[06:02:56] <Santi> Hello[06:05:12] *** Santi has quit IRC[06:05:31] *** Santi has joined #haiku[06:10:45] *** kkux has joined #haiku[06:13:12] *** Santi has quit IRC[06:34:58] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:48:46] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:52:32] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[06:52:51] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[06:57:59] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[06:58:47] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[07:14:07] *** morten77 has left #haiku[07:19:11] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #779 of x86-Linux-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86]] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux-host/builds/779 blamelist: Axel D?rfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>, J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>, Stephan A?mus <superstippi at gmx dot de>, Jonathan Schleifer <js at webkeks dot org>, John Scipione <jscipione at gmail dot com>, Ithamar R. Adema[07:19:11] <HAIKU-Buildbot> <ithamar at upgrade-android dot com>[07:31:22] *** tgkokk_ has joined #haiku[07:31:28] *** tgkokk_ is now known as tgkokk[07:33:23] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[07:44:59] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:55:34] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[08:00:59] * humdinger is idle: BRB[08:20:25] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[08:27:06] * humdinger has returned[08:32:59] <gordonjcp> morning[08:34:00] <humdinger> hullo[08:38:34] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[08:39:32] *** arselinux has quit IRC[08:47:07] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[08:49:31] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[08:50:44] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[08:52:45] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[08:52:58] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[08:55:23] *** Turingi has joined #haiku[09:12:30] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:12:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:35:28] *** humdinger has quit IRC[09:55:58] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[09:56:41] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[09:58:25] *** kneekoo has quit 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_3dEyes has quit IRC[13:12:52] *** devport007 has joined #haiku[13:13:37] <devport007> hey[13:13:48] *** kkux has quit IRC[13:13:59] *** kkux has joined #haiku[13:13:59] <devport007> help me[13:14:13] <devport007> I don't sound im my haiku[13:14:33] <devport007> debugger write's[13:14:34] <devport007>[13:14:34] *** soakbot has quit IRC[13:14:38] <devport007> couldn't GetCloneForID, id 3, team 488, type 4 (AUDIO_OUTPUT)[13:14:53] <devport007> I have ICH7 (intel HD Audio)[13:14:55] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[13:21:27] *** devport007 has quit IRC[13:24:38] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[13:34:13] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:35:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:37:23] *** epigraph has quit IRC[13:45:56] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[13:46:31] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[13:52:23] *** luko has joined #haiku[13:54:07] <luko> hi folks[13:55:17] <humdinger> hi luko[13:56:12] <luko> i coding my small php CMS framework for creating social network like facebook[13:56:44] <humdinger> like world needs another billionaire... :)[13:56:53] <luko> http://haikufans.6f.sk/[14:05:24] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[14:10:39] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:14:04] <irker-819> buildtools.master: ithamar * btrev43073 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/buildtools/log/?qt=range&q=02dff6e+%5E78fb24b[14:14:04] <irker-819> 02dff6e: gcc/arm: include driver-arm.c for Haiku/ARM too[14:15:29] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[14:17:50] *** humdinger has quit IRC[14:19:26] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[14:21:23] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[14:27:29] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[14:44:49] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[14:49:23] <irker-819> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev46883 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=67d06c8+%5E3f5014e[14:49:24] <irker-819> 67d06c8: Httprequest: remove "chunked" from http accept-encoding.[14:49:51] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[14:50:21] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[14:59:06] *** flos has joined #haiku[15:03:10] *** luko has quit 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#haiku[16:57:19] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[17:00:23] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:09:12] *** flos has quit IRC[17:10:41] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[17:16:23] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[17:18:24] <bbjimmy> how does one remove a link to an application in the Deskbar placed there by the application's .hpkg?[17:19:12] <OmniMancer> one could blacklist it[17:19:36] <bbjimmy> I want the application, just not the link in the Deskbar[17:20:43] <bbjimmy> too many apps place links to the applications menu.[17:22:02] <PulkoMandy> you can blacklist the link[17:22:32] <OmniMancer> I mean the link[17:22:41] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[17:23:19] <bbjimmy> This should be available from the gui[17:24:07] <bbjimmy> text file editing just to clean-up the deskbar menu.[17:26:37] <luroh> bbjimmy: fwiw, i agree it's an annoying detail. worth filing an enhancement ticket, i'd say[17:26:58] <gordonjcp> yup[17:27:13] <gordonjcp> right-click, "Remove from Deskbar", sort of thing?[17:27:13] <bbjimmy> on it.[17:27:28] <puckipedia> TBH, I thought doing something like this:[17:27:38] <puckipedia> Move deskbar contents to another folder[17:27:53] <puckipedia> When (in the old folder) the contents are changed[17:28:05] <puckipedia> Add it to the new folder[17:28:08] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:28:17] <puckipedia> Actually, that´s probably not the best way[17:29:39] <bbjimmy> .hpkg files should place links in /boot/home/config/settings/deskbar/menu and remove the virtual folder.[17:30:25] <bbjimmy> This would allow the user to use tracker to manage links.[17:30:42] *** stargater has joined #haiku[17:31:56] <luroh> sounds reasonable to me, but i'm no expert[17:34:39] <umccullough> there was some lengthy discussion about the deskbar ramifications of hpkgs - but only a few people really got involved[17:37:05] <bbjimmy> That is probably due to using mailing lists or irc at inconvenient times, issues like this should use the haikuware forums to get better feedback.[17:37:24] <bbjimmy> haiku-os.org forums ...[17:38:59] <luroh> too low S/N ratio there, imo...[17:46:41] <PulkoMandy> we don't use IRC for such decisions, this was on the ML[17:46:54] <PulkoMandy> but maybe it was the haiku-dev one[17:47:17] <PulkoMandy> anyway, you're right, we ended up with something that isn't customizable and doesn't scale[17:48:46] <bbjimmy> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10557[17:49:11] <luroh> thanks[17:54:21] *** epigraph has quit IRC[17:55:57] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:01:03] <bbjimmy> what is "S/N ratio"?[18:01:41] <luroh> signal-to-noise[18:02:44] <luroh> it's just a fact that few developers have the mental fortitude required to wade through ill-conceived opinions from users such as myself :)[18:02:46] <bbjimmy> Ahh, but with no "noise", there is no challenge to the status quo.[18:04:21] <bbjimmy> Devs are building an os for users. users do not use mailing lists. just because one does not understand the internals doesn't mean his ideas are not valid.[18:05:50] <bbjimmy> yes, there is a bunch of noise, and some is not flattering or even healthy, but there is also good signal, good ideas.[18:06:29] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[18:06:42] <bbjimmy> the mailing lists are an echo chamber, like minded people looking at the issue from the same side.[18:07:05] <luroh> what do you think about closing the forums to channel the communication to the MLs? i know it was suggested at some point[18:07:38] <umccullough> haikuware forums?[18:07:40] <bbjimmy> any "noise" is disuaded. Only devs ideas are promoted.[18:07:47] <umccullough> oh[18:07:48] <umccullough> nevermind[18:07:56] <bbjimmy> Haiku-os forums[18:08:16] <umccullough> sadly, forums don't thread topics well[18:08:23] <umccullough> few people properly quote[18:08:25] <bbjimmy> but yes, the forums are where the user goes for information, not the mailing lists.[18:08:37] <umccullough> <shrug> I always direct people to the mailing lists[18:09:00] <luroh> bbjimmy: right, perhaps we should encourage people to use the MLs instead[18:09:04] <umccullough> before we switched to drupal, i would have said the forums were a good place to go[18:09:22] <bbjimmy> <shrug> the mailing list is not welcoming for users.[18:09:51] <luroh> well, the forums are not really worth the developers' time[18:10:38] <bbjimmy> Let's face it, the forums are the front door for users, the mailing lists are an exclusive club for devs.[18:10:41] <umccullough> and if you think we're bad - i've heard some projects are starting to use facebook for that[18:10:58] <umccullough> bbjimmy, yes, it's been said before - and some people have even suggested getting rid of them for that reason[18:11:04] <PulkoMandy> we should channel things better, one way or another[18:11:20] <PulkoMandy> having both the forums and the haiku ML is confusing and redundant[18:11:20] <umccullough> so, i suppose ditching the forums would force people to the mailing lists[18:11:29] <umccullough> there are other ways...[18:11:34] <umccullough> mailinglist/forum combination[18:11:38] <umccullough> like google groups does[18:11:55] <PulkoMandy> we should go on usenet![18:12:18] <umccullough> but to be honest, even the main "haiku" mailing list is too much for me, so i stopped sub'ing to it as well[18:12:30] <umccullough> and i know a lot of other devs have gone away from it too[18:12:36] <bbjimmy> Whatever it is, it should be at least as inviting as the forums are today.[18:12:40] <PulkoMandy> yes, same for #haiku[18:12:48] <umccullough> ultimately, there just isn't enough time in the day to track all the newb questions and complaints[18:12:50] <PulkoMandy> we're in trouble because of this, I think[18:13:06] <PulkoMandy> and the complaints from users telling devs aren't listening to them aren't completely unjustified[18:13:29] <umccullough> well, there comes a point where the users are demanding something that the devs simply aren't going to do[18:13:44] <umccullough> i think that happens a lot here[18:14:14] <PulkoMandy> well, yes, but I think that's a consequence of the devs are users not using the same communication channels and not talking enough to each other[18:14:22] <PulkoMandy> so there are two different visions of what Haiku is now[18:14:40] <umccullough> i think there's more than two ;)[18:15:09] <umccullough> i think there's closer to 4 if you look at the various "communities" that have built up with conflicting goals[18:15:42] <PulkoMandy> there's mine, and the wrong ones :p[18:15:44] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[18:16:01] <umccullough> basically[18:16:18] <luroh> there's also the issue of some users' expectations not matching the reality of Haiku being a volunteer based project[18:17:00] <luroh> maybe it has to do with some of them coming from BeOS, a (once) commercially backed proprietary OS with professional developers[18:17:05] <umccullough> i think similar things happen in all FOSS projects, though[18:17:07] <bbjimmy> The more haiku gets exposed to the world, the more visions of what it is there will be. It is an OS. That is how all OSs are viewed.[18:17:12] <PulkoMandy> yes, there's some distorsion, people forget it took us 10 years to be where we are[18:17:22] <umccullough> the ubuntu forums are a completely waste of time for someone trying to make suggestions, for example[18:17:34] <umccullough> people go there to get help, not to help[18:18:34] <umccullough> in fact, i'm not sure i can think of a FOSS project I've messed with that has forums actually used by the devs[18:18:52] <umccullough> most of them use mailing lists[18:19:10] <PulkoMandy> info-zip does[18:19:19] <PulkoMandy> and that's their only way of communication[18:19:31] <PulkoMandy> want a beta release? probably some dev has linked one somewhere in a forum post[18:19:58] <PulkoMandy> they don't have an open source control, as far as I can tell[18:20:00] *** poxip has quit IRC[18:20:01] <PulkoMandy> no bugtracker either[18:21:17] <luroh> as for expectation management, the zen approach here is, in my opinion, to not fret over missing or immature features, but to instead enjoy the progress[18:21:34] <luroh> not sure how to convey that to the community, however...[18:21:47] <OmniMancer> I like the progress :)[18:21:59] <OmniMancer> it has certainly come far since the pre alpha days[18:22:04] <PulkoMandy> luroh: I think we have a "silent" majority of happy users[18:22:22] <bbjimmy> make a haiku about it and put it on the main haiku-os page.[18:22:22] <luroh> PulkoMandy: yes, i think you are right[18:22:30] <luroh> bbjimmy: :)[18:22:44] <bbjimmy> I'm not a poet.[18:23:09] <PulkoMandy> if we get the unhappy guys to take the time to turn their problems into useful bugreports, things will go much better[18:23:25] <bbjimmy> male several with the same or similat theme, and rotate them.[18:23:26] <PulkoMandy> this has been unbelievably difficult for the PM merge induced problems, for example[18:23:43] <bbjimmy> *make[18:24:30] <OmniMancer> everyone seems to be going "huuurrrrr its broken, durrrr" and not giving useful bug reports :/[18:24:32] <bbjimmy> make haikus about reporting bugs. get people into the Haiku of the thing.[18:24:44] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[18:24:45] <arfonzo> hurrrrrrrrrrrr duurrrrrrrrrrrrr[18:24:50] <arfonzo> :D[18:25:08] <bbjimmy> We need a poet.[18:27:15] <Skipp_OSX> why a poet?[18:27:41] <arfonzo> ahoy friends, btw... finally moving next week. Hope to get back into the Haiku of Things shortly after... phew![18:29:17] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[18:30:12] <luroh> bbjimmy: it's not a bad idea, or something else along those lines[18:30:49] <umccullough> we need a lot of things[18:31:08] <luroh> umccullough: that's not a haiku :P[18:33:38] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[18:34:34] *** _Santi_ has joined #haiku[18:34:58] <luroh> as perhaps a somewhat related example, i've been following the debian init discussion, where emotions definitely have run high[18:35:20] <luroh> irritation, snarkiness, egoism, entitlement, hostility, you name it...[18:35:57] <_Santi_> lol[18:36:08] <_Santi_> Lots of hate for systemd[18:36:26] <luroh> through it all though, there's one guy who, for both camps, has been the voice of reason[18:36:44] <_Santi_> Stallman? :P[18:37:00] <luroh> Russ Allbery, well worth reading his emails[18:40:56] <PulkoMandy> systemd sounds like app_server to me? :)[18:41:54] <luroh> that, and a whole lot else :)[18:42:25] <luroh> ....and that was of course one of the points of contention ;)[18:43:05] <PulkoMandy> well, the main problem is systemd requires linux[18:43:16] <PulkoMandy> which makes debian/kFreeBSD supporters like me a bit worried[18:43:31] <PulkoMandy> (yes, this probably has less users than Haiku)[18:43:56] <umccullough> _Santi_, lots of hate for upstart too ;)[18:44:03] <luroh> it does make things somewhat complicated, yes[18:44:47] <luroh> and the final word on that has not been said yet[18:44:51] <_Santi_> I'm slowly trying to get the hang of BeOS[18:45:15] <_Santi_> But I could understand the problems with emphasizing Linux[18:45:27] <_Santi_> despite it's market share, it's not infallible.[18:48:21] <luroh> if i'm to guess, it'll be up to the hurd and kfreebsd devs to supply patches for their preferred init system(s), and for the package maintainers to accept them as long as they make sense[18:48:32] <luroh> but that's not decided yet[18:48:36] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[18:49:41] <PulkoMandy> yes, but knowing debian, this will end up in a meta-init-system with a mess of bash scripts[18:49:54] <PulkoMandy> the same way they configure grub2[18:50:18] <luroh> yeah, i don't really see how they are going to get away from those in a good while[18:51:29] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[18:52:36] <luroh> unlike haiku, they need to support upgrades[18:52:40] *** stargater has quit IRC[18:54:02] *** _Santi_ has quit IRC[19:01:32] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[19:08:00] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[19:14:33] *** comrad has joined #haiku[19:14:33] *** comrad has joined #haiku[19:19:04] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[19:20:24] <bbjimmy> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10557#comment:3 ticket re-opened.[19:21:59] <bbjimmy> Thjis is part of the reason nobody wants to open a ticket.[19:22:13] <waddlesplash> bbjimmy: totally agree with you; +1[19:22:24] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[19:24:58] *** zer0rez has joined #haiku[19:25:15] <luroh> :D[19:37:18] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[19:39:16] *** kcj has joined #haiku[19:41:57] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[19:44:24] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[19:45:05] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[19:47:02] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[19:52:13] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[19:53:44] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[19:55:47] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:55:48] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[19:57:41] *** nighty^_ has quit IRC[19:59:54] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[20:04:38] *** epigraph has quit IRC[20:06:37] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[20:06:39] *** nighty^_ has joined #haiku[20:07:02] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:07:06] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[20:07:30] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:08:06] <Not-003> [haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[20:08:10] <Not-003> [haikuports] korli bc3ff99 - libpcre: added libpcre0 containing only libpcre.so.0. * updated 8.33 provides section.[20:08:12] <Not-003> [haikuports] korli 95d817b - zsh: fix libpcre dependency.[20:12:57] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[20:19:17] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:19:24] *** hamishm__ is now known as hamishm[20:21:48] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[20:26:28] *** kcj has quit IRC[20:26:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:48:33] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[20:49:19] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:51:50] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[20:53:06] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[20:56:14] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:56:45] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[21:04:51] *** Turingi has quit IRC[21:06:25] *** axeld has joined #haiku[21:06:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:07:46] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[21:09:28] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[21:10:01] *** puckipedia has left #haiku[21:10:39] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:10:52] <Anarchos> would be valuable if i implement the X protocol ?[21:14:21] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[21:14:59] <irker-819> haiku.master: axeld * hrev46884 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=891babc+%5E67d06c8[21:14:59] <irker-819> 891babc: AHCI: fixed broken debug output.[21:22:22] *** Santi has joined #haiku[21:22:46] <luroh> Anarchos: have you given up on your wifi driver?[21:24:27] <Anarchos> luroh no i am still on it[21:25:03] <luroh> ok :) still trying a native one, or are you creating it for fbsd?[21:25:57] <Anarchos> native one[21:26:12] <luroh> alrighty[21:26:26] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[21:26:34] <Anarchos> i am commenting all stuff related to the pure kernel ieee80211 layer, i will try to implement the minimal things later[21:29:36] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[21:30:05] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[21:33:34] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:37:32] *** nighty^ has quit IRC[21:40:19] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[21:49:15] <Santi> How does one go about installing from Haikuware?[21:49:53] <Santi> I've noticed that I get weird dependency issues when I try to install Qupzilla, and I don't know if that's just PEBKAC, or something else I'm not aware about.[21:51:52] <luroh> sounds like you may not be running the haiku version the software was built for[21:53:19] <Santi> I'm working from the latest nightly, would that be the issue?[21:54:01] <luroh> yup, i'd bet[21:56:17] *** comrad has quit IRC[21:56:57] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1626 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1626[21:59:04] *** puckipedia has joined #haiku[21:59:10] <Santi> Huh, okay.[21:59:29] <Santi> What's would you suggest I try to install?[21:59:36] <Santi> Are there any office apps to mention?[22:00:04] <puckipedia> You could try Google Docs[22:00:10] <luroh> haiku is supposed to be compatible with BeOS R5, so maybe try some of those old apps[22:00:31] <Santi> I heard about Gobe Productive? Is that a thing?[22:01:10] <luroh> yes, it's an old BeOS suite, i think it even works[22:01:22] <luroh> in haiku, i mean[22:04:01] <Santi> Any games worth a mention?[22:04:10] <Santi> Just for practice installing apps on Haiku.[22:04:42] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:05:05] <luroh> i believe PulkoMandy is our resident games expert :)[22:07:54] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:10:10] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[22:13:00] *** bitkid has quit IRC[22:23:01] <bbjimmy> I seem to be doing more dependancy fixing in PM than I needed to do before PM. 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