February 13, 2014 
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February 13, 2014 [00:10:57] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[00:12:50] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[00:14:41] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[00:15:59] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[00:20:38] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[00:20:50] *** Sir_Designer_ has joined #haiku[00:22:26] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:23:23] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:23:59] <HaikuUser> hrm[00:24:03] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[00:24:10] <gordonjcp> no, I just can't get into GUI IRC clients ;-)[00:25:27] *** Sir_Designer_ has quit IRC[00:28:42] <umccullough> was that you?[00:30:05] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:31:50] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[00:42:23] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:42:44] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[00:43:50] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[00:44:56] <gordonjcp> umccullough: yeah, I was giving Vision a shot[00:45:10] <gordonjcp> anyone know how to get jam to actually build an app?[00:45:35] <gordonjcp> short of copying my source directory into the Haiku source tree and rebuilding the whole bloody thing every time, I can't get it to do much[00:45:38] <umccullough> jam <target name>[00:45:50] <gordonjcp> it just says it can't find the target[00:45:53] <umccullough> ok, so you've got your own jamfile?[00:45:57] <gordonjcp> yup[00:46:01] <umccullough> you can't really use one from the haiku tree[00:46:09] <umccullough> since it uses a lot of custom rules[00:46:16] <gordonjcp> although I tried copying SerialConnect from the tree, and it does much the same thing[00:46:19] <gordonjcp> ah, okay[00:46:34] <umccullough> yeah, you'll have to brush up on standard jamfiles :/[00:46:45] <umccullough> i think there was a jamfile-engine somewhere that makes it a lot easier[00:46:50] <gordonjcp> meh, can't be arsed with that[00:47:03] <gordonjcp> makefiles are bad enough[00:47:08] <umccullough> heh[00:47:20] <umccullough> a lot of people prefer cmake these days[00:47:25] <gordonjcp> without having to introduce some half-assed undocumented proprietary shit[00:47:48] <gordonjcp> I use waf for all the stuff I do in Linux, although I use makefiles for avr-gcc since the projects tend to be small[00:48:11] <umccullough> haiku does have a makefile-engine that simplifies things a bit[00:49:08] <gordonjcp> yup[00:49:13] <gordonjcp> so basically, Haiku uses Jam[00:49:18] <gordonjcp> but Jam cannot be used to compile anything[00:49:27] <gordonjcp> unless it's actually in the Haiku source tree[00:49:28] <gordonjcp> o_O[00:50:06] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[00:50:17] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[00:50:21] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[00:50:52] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[00:55:30] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[01:00:01] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[01:00:24] *** Paradoxon_away has joined #haiku[01:03:23] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[01:03:25] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[01:03:33] *** Paradoxon_away is now known as Paradoxon[01:08:12] *** puckipedia|away has quit IRC[01:15:54] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[01:17:38] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[01:21:32] <mmu_man> gordonjcp: there is a jamfile-engine as well[01:22:42] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[01:23:49] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[01:24:27] *** ChuckH_ has joined #haiku[01:24:43] <umccullough> gordonjcp, not sure where you got that idea :)[01:25:19] <umccullough> a standard Jamfile won't look anything like what you find in haiku's source tree, as they all use custom rules defined in http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/build/jam[01:25:31] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[01:25:43] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[01:26:45] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[01:27:13] <umccullough> to get a better idea of jam outside the haiku buildsystem, you'd probably have to brush up on it: http://public.perforce.com/public/jam/src/Jamfile.html[01:28:16] <umccullough> and the jambase is here: http://public.perforce.com/public/jam/src/Jambase.html[01:28:26] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[01:29:29] <gordonjcp> umccullough: I didn't really think it was possible to make something more arcane than makefiles[01:30:00] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[01:30:30] *** ampharos has joined #haiku[01:30:42] <Skipp_OSX> gordonjcp, it's really not more arcane than Makefiles[01:31:04] <Skipp_OSX> less popular perhaps...[01:31:29] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[01:32:40] <umccullough> indeed jamfiles are somewhat simple[01:32:46] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[01:33:32] <umccullough> but anyway, there are just a handful of projects using jam any longer, so...i don't blame anyone for wanting to avoid it ;)[01:33:42] <ampharos> could be worse[01:34:07] <ampharos> could be maven, scons, something far more evil[01:34:15] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[01:34:40] <ampharos> were there improvements made to sis191 support? support seems to be totally random across OSes[01:35:24] <ampharos> i got windows and openbsd working alright, linux is problematic (ever since i changed my adapter in between the router and the machine it's unhappy), and haiku does nothing with it[01:35:39] <umccullough> i'm not sure enough people own that hardware to actually work on it ;)[01:36:11] <ampharos> i suppose it's solved by "buy a stack of pro1000s"[01:36:22] <umccullough> we have an sis900 driver[01:36:28] <umccullough> but it's written from scratch for haiku[01:36:36] <ampharos> that's a 100MB controller, this is gigabit[01:36:37] <umccullough> probably the best solution is to ditch that and port if_sis from fbsd[01:36:52] <umccullough> i assume that comes with sis191 support[01:36:53] <ampharos> i'm not sure how well freebsd does it[01:36:57] <umccullough> heh[01:37:12] <ampharos> in openbsd support comes from se - sis is for the 10/100 controllers[01:37:39] <umccullough> yeah, if_sis doesn't mention 191[01:37:46] <umccullough> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=if_sis&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7-current&format=html[01:38:12] <umccullough> oh, that's fbsd 7?[01:38:13] <umccullough> hmm[01:38:15] <ampharos> sge is the gigabit sis thing on free[01:38:20] <ampharos> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sge&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+10.0-RELEASE[01:38:26] *** JoFo has joined #haiku[01:39:16] <umccullough> ah[01:39:28] <umccullough> well, it might be possible to port it over with some minor glue[01:39:44] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[01:39:47] <umccullough> it's going to require someone with the actual hardware to test it however ;)[01:39:59] <ampharos> it exists but when i tried the haiku driver it wasn't happy (just did nothing)[01:40:28] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[01:40:30] <umccullough> oh wait[01:40:39] <umccullough> yeah, the haiku driver isn't using sge[01:40:55] <umccullough> was written by siarzhuk[01:41:31] <umccullough> written in 2009[01:41:42] <umccullough> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/sis19x[01:41:53] <umccullough> probably would be easier to just port the fbsd driver[01:43:43] <gordonjcp> umccullough: why, what do projects in Haiku use now?[01:45:41] <umccullough> not sure i follow?[01:46:14] <gordonjcp> 00:35 < umccullough> but anyway, there are just a handful of projects using jam[01:46:24] <gordonjcp> so what's replaced jam?[01:46:28] <umccullough> can you name any? :)[01:46:37] <umccullough> i still don't follow[01:46:44] <umccullough> i know of 3 major projects using jam[01:46:48] <gordonjcp> okay[01:46:49] <umccullough> freetype, boost, and haiku[01:47:01] <gordonjcp> oh, projects as a whole, rather than individual components of haiku[01:47:08] <umccullough> most projects use make, cmake, scons, etc.[01:47:08] <gordonjcp> right[01:47:37] <umccullough> as for individual projects...[01:47:42] <umccullough> you might find a few things on haikuports using jam[01:47:54] <umccullough> let's see[01:48:43] <umccullough> beam uses jam[01:49:06] <umccullough> http://sourceforge.net/p/beam/beam/ci/master/tree/[01:49:20] <umccullough> you might be able to suck some stuff out of the Jamrules/Jamfile here[01:49:27] <DHowett> something *else* uses jam in the wild?[01:49:35] <DHowett> whoooooa. :P[01:49:57] <umccullough> gordonjcp, you'll see that a lot of the logic has been put into Jamrules - technically those rules could be in the Jamfile directly[01:51:08] <umccullough> heh, and a bunch of stuff in build-jam too[01:51:12] <umccullough> in fact..[01:51:20] <umccullough> looks like someone stole a bunch of stuff from the haiku buildsystem for this :D[01:53:13] <umccullough> caya uses jam[01:54:27] <umccullough> again, with a healthy dose of extra build rules borrowed from elsewhere[01:55:11] <umccullough> starting to think a lot of this stuff came from somewhere other than haiku[02:08:53] *** ChuckH__ has joined #haiku[02:08:54] *** ChuckH_ has quit IRC[02:14:12] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:15:26] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:19:33] *** Tzibu has quit IRC[02:21:27] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[02:26:50] *** epigraph has quit IRC[02:30:24] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[02:31:46] *** 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The makefile can only deal with one lib folder. If ncurses_devel is installed under system, as it is whan the user choses to install it from HaikuDepot, everything works ok.[22:33:21] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:33:42] <bbjimmy> If, however, the user did not add the package, and the PM adds it, it will add it in the tree that the .hpkg was installed in, breaking the makefile if the user installs yab.hpkg in the home/config tree.[22:34:51] *** ampharos has quit IRC[22:34:51] *** ampharos has joined #haiku[22:34:53] <bbjimmy> Why does PM add ncurses_devel in the home/config tree?[22:35:43] <bbjimmy> Is there a way to force PM to add it under system, as it does if the user choses to add it from HaikuDepot?[22:36:32] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:36:42] <puckipedia> It mostly depends on the tool, but both are valid[22:36:46] <puckipedia> At this moment, at least[22:36:53] <puckipedia> valid choices*[22:37:28] <bbjimmy> How can I make the makefile find the right directory?[22:37:39] <puckipedia> find_directory[22:38:28] <bbjimmy> FindDirectory works fine, but I have a choice, B_SYSYEM_LIB, ir B_UDER_LIB[22:38:38] <bbjimmy> ISER[22:38:41] <bbjimmy> USER[22:38:45] <puckipedia> Is there no choice to check both?[22:38:46] <bbjimmy> :P[22:39:00] <bbjimmy> not from a makefile[22:39:44] <bbjimmy> Do I have tpo make a script to make my makefile?[22:39:58] <puckipedia> AFAIK not[22:40:14] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[22:40:28] <puckipedia> If your library location is in a variable, turn it into a gcc list with e.g. $(addprefix -L,$(LIBS))[22:41:22] <bbjimmy> LIBPATH = -L`finddir B_SYSTEM_LIB_DIRECTORY`[22:41:28] <puckipedia> (Will add -L before each, so LIBS="$(find_directory B_SYSTEM_LIB) $(find_directory B_USER_LIB)", and the result will be e.g. "-L/boot/system/lib -L/boot/home/config/lib"[22:41:46] *** iMe is now known as iMe_away[22:42:02] <puckipedia> Well, encase it in "" (replace the backticks with $( and ) ) and add another one, it should work[22:42:47] <bbjimmy> It borks at the libpath that does not exist[22:43:13] <puckipedia> Also, add B_COMMON_NONPACKAGED_LIB_DIRECTORY and B_USER_NONPACKAGED_LIB_DIRECTORY[22:43:18] <puckipedia> hmm?[22:44:01] *** kkux has joined #haiku[22:44:28] <puckipedia> What does the LIBPATH contain?[22:44:30] <bbjimmy> if /boot/home/config/lib is missing, the makefile breaks.[22:44:41] <puckipedia> Well, that's a fragile makefile, tbh[22:44:55] <puckipedia> afaik, gcc should ignore it[22:45:30] <bbjimmy> I know nothing about makefiles, just trying to get yab in an .hpkg and have it not break.[22:45:45] *** comrad has quit IRC[22:46:09] <bbjimmy> where cah I learn about makefiles?[22:47:20] <bbjimmy> how to add a lib directory, how to handle errors etc.[22:47:44] <puckipedia> The thing is, the yab makefile just passes the libpath into gcc[22:47:50] *** scanty has quit IRC[22:48:16] <bbjimmy> so how do I pass more than one libpath?[22:48:19] <puckipedia> Just add it[22:48:31] *** scanty has joined #haiku[22:48:38] <bbjimmy> so far, all my attempts come up short.[22:48:39] *** scanty has quit IRC[22:48:41] <puckipedia> If you see below the yab: YabMain.o .... line[22:48:58] <puckipedia> wait[22:49:11] <puckipedia> Are you going to package it with haikuporter?[22:49:17] <PulkoMandy> you can use findpaths to find them all at once, btw[22:49:21] *** scanty has joined #haiku[22:49:33] <puckipedia> PulkoMandy: In shell too?[22:49:33] <bbjimmy> nio, I am usuing the package command line tool.[22:49:38] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: yes[22:49:46] <puckipedia> aah[22:49:52] <puckipedia> I have no haiku on me atm[22:50:58] <puckipedia> Okay, so above the LIBPATH line, add `LIBPATHS = $(shell findpaths B_FIND_PATH_LIB_DIRECTORY)`[22:52:04] <puckipedia> Then replace LIBPATH=.... with `LIBPATH=$(addsuffix -L,$(LIBPATHS))`[22:53:42] * bbjimmy tries[22:53:58] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[22:57:14] <bbjimmy> g++: /boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib-L: No such file or directory[22:57:15] <bbjimmy> g++: /boot/home/config/lib-L: No such file or directory[22:57:16] <bbjimmy> g++: /boot/system/non-packaged/lib-L: No such file or directory[22:57:16] <bbjimmy> g++: /boot/system/lib-L: No such file or directory[22:57:34] <puckipedia> addprefix, sorry[22:59:58] <bbjimmy> success[23:00:13] <puckipedia> Also, this will work with every path Haiku adds with its libs[23:00:30] <bbjimmy> nice[23:00:35] <puckipedia> e.g. home moves to /boot/home/puckipedia, it will update automatically[23:00:56] <bbjimmy> or /boot/home/bbjimmy[23:01:00] <puckipedia> yep[23:01:09] <puckipedia> gtg, sleep[23:01:15] <bbjimmy> thanks[23:04:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:09:23] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[23:10:41] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[23:16:19] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[23:17:31] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:20:31] <bbjimmy> off to work.[23:20:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:24:27] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[23:25:27] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[23:26:06] <Dane_> What *current model* video card is the best bet with Haiku 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