February 12, 2014 
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February 12, 2014 [00:05:41] <mmu_man> gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/fun/xkcd/comics/1320/1328 :)))[00:05:43] <mmu_man> http://xkcd.com/1328/[00:08:52] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[00:09:31] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[00:11:44] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[00:18:58] *** ccverg has joined #haiku[00:21:10] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:31:18] <umccullough> heh, that gopher URL works in duckduckgo[00:31:50] <umccullough> ah, it apparently just parses out xkcd and 1328 and finds it[00:33:59] <mmu_man> eh[00:36:16] * umccullough doesn't have anything installed to use gopher://[00:38:55] <mmu_man> well I have a rebasing gopher branch for netsurf[00:38:59] <mmu_man> but they don't want it in :-([00:39:06] <mmu_man> it was really well though[00:39:50] <jrabbit> boutique technology :P[00:41:31] <umccullough> boutique? or antique? :)[00:41:55] <jrabbit> it was bought as scrap and resold in brooklyn[00:44:59] *** sarid has quit IRC[00:49:50] <AlienSoldier> random fact i just noticed, the death music in Sega Congo Bongo is the start of Psychobabble from The Alan Parson Project.[01:16:47] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[01:33:03] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:35:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:37:49] <AlienSoldier> weird, that haiku build do not recognize my audio chips automatically now HDA and emuki, i need to reselect it manually from a "none" state.[01:45:14] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[01:49:29] *** epigraph has quit IRC[01:49:31] *** rusinho has quit IRC[01:56:54] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[02:06:08] *** kbw has joined #haiku[02:06:15] <kbw> LVDS support when?[02:06:28] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[02:09:21] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[02:10:04] *** _marc` has quit IRC[02:10:26] <umccullough> we already have lvds support - it will depend on the specific video driver i suspect[02:11:46] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[02:12:59] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[02:14:16] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:16:03] <kbw> radeon[02:16:13] <kbw> I'm trying a daily right now[02:17:11] *** kbw has quit IRC[02:17:52] <umccullough> radeon, or radeon_hd?[02:18:11] <umccullough> the latter is still WIP, but should support a lot of chips and connection configurations[02:18:19] <umccullough> including some displayport[02:18:35] *** ex-parrot has joined #haiku[02:18:50] <ex-parrot> hello all. getting a kdl during boot in x86_write_msr[02:18:55] <ex-parrot> any suggestions? running alpha4 iso[02:19:00] <umccullough> try a nightly[02:19:04] <ex-parrot> will do[02:19:35] <umccullough> oh, kbw left anyway[02:22:04] <ex-parrot> how out of date is the current alpha iso?[02:22:35] <umccullough> november 2012[02:22:40] <ex-parrot> oh right. ha ha[02:23:12] <ex-parrot> how time flies :)[02:23:34] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:27:09] <ex-parrot> aw, nightly still KDLs[02:27:11] <ex-parrot> same error even[02:27:16] *** kcj has joined #haiku[02:27:54] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[02:28:22] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[02:28:41] <umccullough> file a ticket[02:28:48] <umccullough> include the KDL if possible[02:28:51] <ex-parrot> will do[02:28:57] <umccullough> or a picture of it at least :)[02:29:08] <ex-parrot> does the early boot process support USB serial? if so I'll get a proper dump[02:29:15] <umccullough> nope[02:29:33] <ex-parrot> ok photo it is[02:29:34] <umccullough> however, sometimes you can restart from kdl and drop into the debug menu[02:29:49] <umccullough> and save it to a fat32 disk or something[02:30:04] <umccullough> if it's still in memory[02:30:22] <ex-parrot> ah ok[02:30:26] <ex-parrot> I'll have an explore[02:35:42] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[02:53:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:57:19] *** soakbot has quit IRC[02:57:32] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[02:59:26] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[02:59:28] <AlienSoldier> anyone good with the operation of drivesetup? i am mucho confused[02:59:51] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[03:08:34] <umccullough> what's ocnfusing?[03:08:44] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:09:30] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[03:10:28] <AlienSoldier> umccullough i seem to have messed something or something is not complete...[03:11:30] <AlienSoldier> i was installing haiku from a USB flash drive to an IDE HD and i was always having the previous haiku bootloader telling me there was no OS to boot....[03:12:46] <AlienSoldier> so i decided to get rid of it. i was finally able to do that by formating the "raw" hardrive. That made my 2 partition disapear (no problem so far nothing important on them). But then i wanted to make partition back and i an no longer able to "create" them.[03:13:46] <AlienSoldier> right now i was thinking to redo the whole HD with FDISK, any other possibility?[03:17:09] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[03:20:43] <AlienSoldier> currently setting 4 partition in FDISK[03:22:11] <umccullough> you should be able to initialize the disk with an intel partition map[03:22:38] <umccullough> if drivesetup detects that there's already BFS on the raw disk, you may have dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk/.../raw[03:22:58] <umccullough> you pretty much never want to initialize the raw disk without partitioning it first[03:23:28] <AlienSoldier> haaa, that was the thing i did not try. so in deleting the partition i kinda destroyed that partition map?[03:23:36] <umccullough> in any case, using fdisk is fine - i assume you mean fdisk from linux[03:23:36] *** kkux has quit IRC[03:24:11] <AlienSoldier> i wanted to initialize it because i wanted to get rib of the boot manager and it seemed to stick.[03:24:17] <AlienSoldier> fdisk from freedos[03:24:21] <umccullough> yeah, that doesn't get rid of it ;)[03:24:23] <umccullough> it's in the MBR[03:24:36] <umccullough> well, with freedos you can probably fdisk /mbr to destroy it[03:24:39] *** kkux has joined #haiku[03:24:57] <AlienSoldier> it was no longer there last time i booted the HD alone[03:25:01] <umccullough> that should install a basic chainloading mbr that will boot the first active partition it finds[03:25:42] <AlienSoldier> time to try if i can install ok this time (been a while as i was testing from USB for almost 2 years)[03:25:58] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[03:31:32] *** luroh has quit IRC[03:34:16] *** kkux has quit IRC[03:34:27] *** kkux has joined #haiku[03:35:06] <AlienSoldier> != AA55, seem gone for good. Will now install[03:42:46] *** jaime_ has quit IRC[03:43:51] *** puckipedia|away has quit IRC[03:44:31] <AlienSoldier> Failed to load OS, i am really stumped[03:47:13] <AlienSoldier> i will try to do the makebootable manually, perhaps that failed as when i try to reboot is stay in "tying up a bit" as if it was stuck on something[03:47:39] <umccullough> well, there are a couple things involved[03:47:50] <umccullough> 1) MBR must chainload the first active partition[03:47:55] <umccullough> 2) partition must be bootable[03:48:23] <umccullough> you can always replace the MBR with something fancier, like bootman or grub ;)[03:48:53] <umccullough> makebootable will ensure the partition is bootable[03:49:06] *** kkux has quit IRC[03:50:01] *** kkux has joined #haiku[03:50:21] <AlienSoldier> umccullough makebootable did not work[03:50:37] <umccullough> like i said, that just makes the partition bootable[03:50:46] <umccullough> if your mbr doesn't chainload the partition, then it doesn't matter[03:50:51] <umccullough> did you run fdisk /mbr ?[03:50:57] <AlienSoldier> no[03:51:02] <umccullough> then you probably don't have an mbr[03:51:18] <umccullough> iow, no bootsector on the HD[03:51:24] <AlienSoldier> i see, can i make it now or was this a prior step?[03:51:31] <umccullough> yep, you can still do it[03:51:43] <umccullough> if you use the freedos mbr, you'll need to mark a partition active[03:51:47] <umccullough> the one you want booted[03:51:53] <umccullough> mark it active and bootable[03:51:55] <AlienSoldier> that i did[03:51:57] <umccullough> k[03:52:10] <umccullough> the other option is to use haiku's bootman[03:52:19] <umccullough> which will install to the MBR[03:52:55] <umccullough> i know this is needlessly complicated ;)[03:53:12] <umccullough> linux just asks you to install grub to handle all this mess for you[03:53:30] <AlienSoldier> umccullough but was ther not a complication with installing bootman from another disk (in my case the USB flashdrive)?[03:54:25] <AlienSoldier> i plan to use it in the end anyway[03:54:48] <umccullough> i believe it installs to the first hard drive[03:55:04] <umccullough> if the disk you're messing with isn't the first disk in the machine, then there are other problems :/[03:55:38] <AlienSoldier> i see, i will take no chance and do it fdisk and then install it when i can finally boot from the HD[03:55:43] *** puckipedia|away has joined #haiku[03:56:01] <umccullough> you can also use your usb stick to enter the boot menu and tell it to boot from teh HD btw :)[03:56:01] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[03:56:03] *** puckipedia has joined #haiku[03:58:04] <AlienSoldier> ho, that is a nice idea, will try that (i try to rely the less possible on old tech in case one day i can't find that damn floppy[04:02:51] <AlienSoldier> umccullough it only see one boot volume "Haiku"[04:03:01] <umccullough> :/[04:03:41] <umccullough> btw, freedos can be booted from usb stick too ;)[04:04:11] <AlienSoldier> i mainly have PC that can't boot USB[04:04:16] <umccullough> heh[04:04:18] <AlienSoldier> only 2 can[04:06:15] <AlienSoldier> and to make thing worst, the floppy on that PC don't boot, so i have to wire the whole things (HD, keyboad, monitor) to my old PIII. I guess you can't escape Murphy law the same day robocop hit theater :P[04:07:58] <umccullough> heh[04:09:03] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[04:11:42] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:12:22] <AlienSoldier> umccullough i typed a:fdisk /mbr[04:12:37] <AlienSoldier> no feedback, did i need to mention c: somehow[04:12:43] <umccullough> no[04:12:50] <AlienSoldier> so it should be ok[04:12:51] <umccullough> at least i don't think so[04:12:52] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:13:10] <umccullough> fdisk /mbr was always designed to write the MBR of the first bootable disk per the bios[04:13:17] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:13:21] <umccullough> try it :)[04:13:28] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[04:14:00] <umccullough> you can also do fdisk /mbr c: i think[04:14:01] <AlienSoldier> so i better make sure the bios try to boot the HD and then fall back to the floppy[04:14:23] <umccullough> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/fdisk.htm[04:14:46] <umccullough> freedos fdisk has some extra features i'm not familiar with[04:15:04] <umccullough> you might need /cmbr[04:15:16] *** puckipedia has quit IRC[04:15:17] <umccullough> no, nevermind[04:15:24] <umccullough> seems /mbr is sufficient[04:15:38] <umccullough> i wonder what booteasy is[04:17:13] <umccullough> sounds like it's part of freebsd[04:17:19] <umccullough> pretty sure i've seen that[04:19:56] <umccullough> when i said "first bootable disk" i meant fixed disks, not removable ones[04:20:08] <umccullough> fdisk can't operate on floppies anyway[04:20:20] <AlienSoldier> when i booted for C it did not reverted to A, so i "skiped" those drive. fdisk /mbr now saw "no fixed disks present", so i guess it initiallt wrote to C: correctly[04:20:33] <AlienSoldier> *now say[04:21:08] <umccullough> yeah, fdisk was only designed to write to fixed disks[04:21:12] <AlienSoldier> time to try that into the other PC, again![04:21:21] <umccullough> oh, you're swapping it from machine to machine?[04:21:27] <umccullough> that uh...can definitely cause problems[04:22:04] <umccullough> i don't know why, but i've had tons of problems swapping a disk i partitioned with a newer machine to an older machine[04:22:16] *** puckipedia|away has joined #haiku[04:22:19] <umccullough> probably differences in how it inteprets the geometry[04:22:29] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[04:22:29] *** puckipedia has joined #haiku[04:23:06] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[04:23:58] <AlienSoldier> it should work between those 2 as i did it before.[04:24:13] <AlienSoldier> problem is that it still can't load the OS :)[04:24:38] <umccullough> yeah, dunno, but i've definitely had problems like that swapping disks[04:25:01] <umccullough> like, i remember i could sometimes partition and install ona pentium3 and boot on a pentium, but not when i started with a pentium 4[04:25:09] <AlienSoldier> umccullough did you told me that redoing the intel map in drive setop would put the MBR automagiccally?[04:25:18] <umccullough> i don't know if it will[04:25:20] <AlienSoldier> *setup[04:25:20] <umccullough> you can try it[04:26:13] <umccullough> you could try just installing freedos to the disk and seeing if that boots[04:26:22] <umccullough> at least that would eliminate haiku as the culprit entirely[04:26:29] <AlienSoldier> indeed[04:27:18] <AlienSoldier> i guess a generated MBR would happen at that operation[04:27:28] *** kkux has quit IRC[04:28:20] *** kkux has joined #haiku[04:37:46] *** puckipedia has quit IRC[04:43:55] *** kcj has quit IRC[04:49:26] <AlienSoldier> installing again after the intel map[04:55:14] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[04:55:22] <AlienSoldier> nope, no luck. and i was not able to install freedos because it seem it lack file (it is one with memtest on it)[04:55:48] <AlienSoldier> Haiku installation is going weird also, once it is done i can't unmount the volume[04:57:34] *** JoFo has joined #haiku[04:58:49] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[04:58:58] *** Sir_Designer_ has joined #haiku[05:00:30] *** kkux has quit IRC[05:00:54] *** __marc` has joined #haiku[05:01:00] *** kkux has joined #haiku[05:01:29] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:01:32] *** __marc` is now known as _marc`[05:02:02] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[05:02:18] *** puckipedia|away has joined #haiku[05:02:21] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[05:02:21] *** puckipedia has joined #haiku[05:03:08] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[05:13:49] <AlienSoldier> umccullough i got it, it was SOOOO easy[05:16:11] <AlienSoldier> the partition was mounted read only (at each boot automatically) The OS install as usual, file even appear in the volume, but on reboot it is EMPTY!!. So it look like the installer don't know he can't write and don't return any error message.[05:17:19] <umccullough> heh[05:17:24] <umccullough> seems like that deserves a ticket[05:18:34] <umccullough> installer should error when trying to write to a readonly partition[05:18:58] <AlienSoldier> yep[05:19:20] <AlienSoldier> when i start to use this full time ticket will rain[05:25:32] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[05:30:58] <ex-parrot> ironically just discovered that bootman's "write syslog to disk" doesn't notice if the disk is read-only either :P[05:38:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:38:56] <ablyss> any electrnic gurus in da house[05:39:13] <AlienSoldier> and now i kld when the disk icon light up, i tell you some day are crap[05:40:09] <umccullough> ex-parrot, you mean the bootloader debug menu?[05:40:14] <umccullough> that's not really bootman[05:40:28] <ex-parrot> ah ok. old beos term I guess[05:40:44] <umccullough> bootman is an MBR bootloader[05:40:48] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[05:40:56] <umccullough> you're referring to the stage 1.5 bootloader[05:40:56] <ex-parrot> right[05:41:00] <ex-parrot> ok, good to know[05:41:07] <ex-parrot> anyway, it let me get a kdl log, so ticket ahoy :)[05:41:13] <umccullough> :)[05:41:13] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[05:43:51] <AlienSoldier> time to install over, perhaps something corrupted[05:47:57] <AlienSoldier> now it kdl when i install[05:51:31] *** kkux has quit IRC[05:52:11] *** kkux has joined #haiku[06:07:39] <AlienSoldier> now it boot[06:11:28] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[06:13:18] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[06:15:01] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[06:15:26] *** kkux has quit IRC[06:16:06] <ex-parrot> so I have booted haiku in qemu now and I want to remove a file from add-ons[06:16:16] <ex-parrot> but it seems that /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/cpu is now a read-only filesystem[06:16:21] <ex-parrot> how do I re-mount it read/write to remove a file?[06:16:22] *** kkux has joined #haiku[06:19:44] <ex-parrot> seems this is the new "package management" system, which is pretty exciting[06:19:53] <ex-parrot> but my question still stands, how do I remove a single file from add-ons?[06:27:27] <umccullough> blacklist[06:28:11] <ex-parrot> ah ok, that is the keyword I needed I guess[06:28:16] <umccullough> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/blacklist-packages[06:28:43] <ex-parrot> yup, just found that. thanks[06:29:44] <ex-parrot> what's the easiest way to work out which package a file belongs to?[06:30:25] <umccullough> that was asked recently[06:30:39] <umccullough> for the system stuff, it's pretty much all in the haiku hpkg[06:30:47] <umccullough> you can see the list of packages in /boot/system/packages iirc[06:31:05] <ex-parrot> yeah i found the package list[06:31:07] <ex-parrot> ok I'lk just try some :)[06:31:18] <umccullough> i don't think there's yet a way to determine which package a file comes from[06:31:31] <umccullough> or at least, nothing easy[06:31:50] <umccullough> there might be some attributes added to them[06:32:20] *** kkux has quit IRC[06:32:37] <umccullough> you can double-click an hpkg to view its contents in expander[06:32:44] <ex-parrot> fair enough. the file I wanted was in "haiku"[06:32:46] <ex-parrot> surprisingly enough[06:32:58] <umccullough> yeah, we don't really break up the system stuff yet[06:33:10] <AlienSoldier> i found another oddity, i am so glad i can finally TEAT this OS now...[06:33:21] *** kkux has joined #haiku[06:33:21] <umccullough> TEAT? ;)[06:34:20] <AlienSoldier> when you move a file to a HD, you can harly move that file icon around on the desktop. If you pause it become easy again. To see the effect even more, move a bunch of gig file at the same time, their icon seem to weight 10 tons.[06:34:29] <AlienSoldier> *hardly[06:34:41] <AlienSoldier> *TEST[06:35:01] <umccullough> might be some kind of scheduler-related latency problem i guess[06:35:29] <ex-parrot> ok so blacklisting generic_x86 makes this machine more or less boot... what does generic_x86 even do?[06:38:16] <AlienSoldier> i also tryed to launch a video file while in the big transfer and it only started after the transfer was done, a file transfer should indeed be low priority[06:39:39] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[06:40:17] <AlienSoldier> needed to reboot everything became mollasse[06:44:15] <umccullough> ex-parrot, it appears to initialize some x86 CPU-specific features[06:44:27] <umccullough> it includes this code: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/cpu/x86[06:44:52] <umccullough> specifcally, it seems to initialize mtrrs[06:47:26] <AlienSoldier> even putting the move task to a lower priority it seem to slow down the moving of the icon. Perhaps they are linked to file update (like the volume fill bar)[06:48:15] <umccullough> i would log the issue and see if someone comes up with some idea[06:48:20] <AlienSoldier> that would not be a bad option to have, a filling metter to monitor how much complete is a file[06:51:15] <AlienSoldier> in R5 i can move the icons that are moved in as any other.[06:51:29] <AlienSoldier> so i am not sure it is a tracker thing[06:54:22] <AlienSoldier> it can even cause corruption. I was not able to seek in that big video file because it probably droped needed data while i was clicking like mad to get control of the UI. transfered it again (close to 1G) and it can now seek.[07:04:57] <AlienSoldier> mounting and unmounting a r/w volume (bfs) sometime work, sometime you have to force unmount[07:05:23] <AlienSoldier> enough testing for tonight[07:06:06] *** arselinux has quit IRC[07:14:54] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[07:16:00] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[07:16:14] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[07:16:47] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[07:26:31] *** kcj has joined #haiku[07:34:04] *** yano has quit IRC[07:37:58] *** yano has joined #haiku[07:45:40] *** ablyss has quit IRC[07:57:21] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:09:59] *** poxip has joined #haiku[08:14:10] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[08:15:53] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:22:27] *** kcj has quit IRC[08:23:24] *** kcj has joined #haiku[08:24:24] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:29:39] *** 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TimKack has joined #haiku[09:49:40] <irker-375> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev46859 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f6658d2+%5E0ca8f08[09:49:41] <irker-375> f6658d2: Fix one more status_t/ssize_t mixup.[10:03:15] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[10:06:53] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[10:16:35] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[10:17:55] *** humdinger has quit IRC[10:17:56] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinger[10:19:19] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2476 of x86-debug-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_gcc2]-debug [x86]-debug] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-debug-any-host/builds/2476 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>[10:19:19] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2207 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_gcc2] [x86]] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/2207 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>[10:19:33] *** irker-375 has quit 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Build[10:32:43] <HAIKU-Buildbot> details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2336 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>[10:33:16] <PulkoMandy> yes[10:35:32] <gordonjcp> righto[10:36:23] <humdinger> mmu_man: got mine yesterday :) brown though? last year's blue was much nicer... :)[10:37:56] <mmu_man> yeah[10:42:49] *** KapiX has quit IRC[10:46:32] <humdinger> I get web+ crashes every few minutes, and I dont know it the debug report is of any value...[10:46:44] <humdinger> I dont want to spam the bugtracker either...[10:47:23] <humdinger> And Rene said, that running web+ with libroot_debug isnt always helpful.[10:48:01] <humdinger> sometimes crashing for other memory related reasons that lead to "false" web+ crashes.[10:52:17] *** rimio has left #haiku[10:53:22] <PulkoMandy> well, a crash is a crash[10:53:54] <PulkoMandy> it would be helpful to build libnetapi in debug mode, so we get more interesting data in the backtraces[10:55:19] <humdinger> PulkoMandy helpful http://pastebin.com/9Lva3ewZ[10:55:21] <humdinger> ticket?[10:57:00] <PulkoMandy> there's not much I can do without a way to reproduce :/[10:57:22] <PulkoMandy> (as there isn't any debug info in WebKit, so the backtrace isn't complete enough)[10:57:44] <PulkoMandy> and building webkit with debug info makes Debugger crash because there are too much symbols[10:58:05] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[10:58:17] <humdinger_> yeah... that's the thing: the crashes are never reproducible.[10:58:30] * humdinger_ got disconnected again...[11:01:44] *** humdinger has quit IRC[11:01:44] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinger[11:15:34] *** kcj has quit IRC[11:20:22] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[11:36:49] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[11:38:13] *** humdinger has quit IRC[11:40:39] <ex-parrot> ok, this virtual package FS thing is just delightful. kudos to whoever came up with this[11:43:47] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[11:44:14] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[11:44:15] <mmu_man> let's hope it scales correctly :)[11:44:31] <ex-parrot> makes me want to hack up an inadequate clone for Linux using FUSE :)[11:45:00] <mmu_man> lol[11:45:08] <mmu_man> with FUSE it'd just be dog slow[11:45:27] *** Miyu has quit IRC[11:45:40] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[11:46:30] <ex-parrot> yeah I have done a bit with fuse and my filesystems never feel very competent at the end :P[11:46:41] <ex-parrot> supposedly you can get decent performance out of it but that's outside my capability :)[11:47:55] <ex-parrot> are the packages signed at the moment?[11:48:07] <PulkoMandy> no[11:48:41] <ex-parrot> ok. that would be a kickass addition but probably not that important right now I guess 8^)[11:51:15] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[11:51:43] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[12:01:35] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's on the TODO list[12:06:21] <ex-parrot> cool. you guys are doing great work. I love booting up a Haiku nightly every few months and seeing what cool new stuff's been done[12:13:20] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[12:13:41] *** Guest97992 has quit IRC[12:14:36] *** Coyo has joined #haiku[12:14:52] *** Coyo is now known as Guest26054[12:39:23] *** _marc` has quit IRC[12:52:47] *** sarid has joined #haiku[12:52:58] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[13:03:06] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[13:15:09] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[13:28:28] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[13:37:02] *** alvin_ has quit IRC[13:45:50] *** Diver has quit IRC[13:46:09] *** Diver has joined #haiku[13:47:18] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:49:58] *** TimKack has quit IRC[13:59:03] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[14:05:58] *** irker-112 has joined #haiku[14:06:28] <irker-112> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev46860 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=916382a+%5Ef6658d2[14:06:29] <irker-112> 916382a: Style fixes, no functional changes[14:07:11] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[14:09:03] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:13:36] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[14:22:06] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[14:27:12] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[14:35:14] *** jjholt has joined #haiku[14:42:08] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[14:48:06] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[14:49:18] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:49:45] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[15:00:09] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2208 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/2208[15:00:09] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[15:04:37] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2477 of x86-debug-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-debug-any-host/builds/2477[15:04:46] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[15:06:08] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[15:14:37] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[15:15:07] <puckipedia> Just upgraded my netbook to 12GB ram! :D[15:17:30] <puckipedia> note/ultrabook, actually[15:19:07] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[15:19:36] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: ![15:19:59] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: and I was just surprised to hear myself saying "yeah I only have 4GB in my desktop"[15:20:02] <gordonjcp> *only*[15:20:29] <puckipedia> I had 4gb, although it didn´t run a WP emulator (1GB) + VS 2013 + some other stuff[15:20:38] * gordonjcp remembers being utterly blown away by one of my dad's mates having a ZX81 with 16K of RAM, before the 16K RAM pack had been released[15:21:06] <gordonjcp> it had a hole cut in the lid and a stack of 6116 2Kx8 bit SRAMs, and an extra address decoder grafted on[15:21:30] <puckipedia> I´ve got a CD-i 220/60 with 1MB ram (+ digital video cartridge which adds 1MB), lol[15:21:42] <puckipedia> The device with the least ram is probably the Atari 2600 :)[15:21:56] <gordonjcp> :-)[15:21:57] *** axeld has joined #haiku[15:21:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[15:22:17] <gordonjcp> my PDP11 has 16kWords[15:22:31] <gordonjcp> I nearly typed 16kW of memory but realised that could be misinterpreted[15:22:42] <gordonjcp> 16kW and an accompanying diesel generator[15:22:48] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: I think the TI-99/4A is a good candidate[15:22:56] <puckipedia> Atari 2600: 128 bytes of ram[15:22:57] <PulkoMandy> but they use VRAM as generic storage[15:23:02] <PulkoMandy> :)[15:23:38] <puckipedia> lol, the TI-99 has more than an Atari 2600[15:23:46] <puckipedia> 256 scratchpad ram[15:24:18] <PulkoMandy> yes[15:24:30] <PulkoMandy> they wanted to use DRAM, but the CPU DRAM refresh didn't work[15:24:53] <PulkoMandy> so they put a small static RAM instead, and use the video memory for storing basic variables[15:24:58] <PulkoMandy> programming this is a hell :)[15:25:09] <PulkoMandy> maybe not as much as the 2600[15:26:38] <puckipedia> lol, I can emulate probably most systems released before the wii while still leaving space for HexChat[15:27:25] <PulkoMandy> assuming you can find emulators for all of them...[15:29:46] <PulkoMandy> you can do worse than the 2600 anyway[15:29:47] <PulkoMandy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnavox_Odyssey[15:29:49] <PulkoMandy> CPU: None[15:29:49] <puckipedia> Lol, win994a[15:30:00] <puckipedia> Should be easy to emulate[15:33:55] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[15:36:10] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[15:36:16] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[15:39:06] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[15:39:31] <gordonjcp> I know[15:39:37] <gordonjcp> I'll port my PDP8 emulator to Haiku[15:40:01] <gordonjcp> that'll be a good first project, since it actually Does Stuff and is more involved than just "Hello World"[15:42:07] <PulkoMandy> and it will bring us tons of useful software! 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I'm hearing from a customer that says their IT person sees something like eight different mac addresses listed for his Haiku computer.[19:31:59] <Dane__> Is that even possible?[19:38:02] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[19:42:45] *** Mongo44 has joined #haiku[19:43:49] <Mongo44> Haiku use terminal?[19:47:59] <tqh> Dane__, perhaps axeld has an idea.[19:49:41] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[19:55:59] <umccullough> Mongo44,?[19:56:56] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[19:57:49] *** Mongo44 has quit IRC[19:58:01] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:58:21] <Dane__> What would cause a Haiku computer to be tossing out multiple mac addresses. I'm hearing from a customer that says their IT person sees something like eight different mac addresses listed for his Haiku computer.[19:58:30] <Dane__> Is that even possible?[19:58:37] <umccullough> uh[19:58:58] <umccullough> usually one per network interface[19:59:10] <umccullough> is this via wifi?[19:59:14] <Dane__> No, wired.[19:59:21] <umccullough> yeah, not sure then[19:59:30] <umccullough> more likely the IT person is doing something wrong ;)[19:59:31] <tqh> Dane__, you can set it on at least some hardware.[19:59:46] <Dane__> tqh how is that done?[19:59:53] <umccullough> tqh, indeed, but i'm not aware that any of our drivers do so automatically[20:00:34] <umccullough> and i don't know that we have a mechanism anywhere that allows the user to do so[20:00:43] <tqh> umccullough, I rather think it is a driver / hardware issue so the network card forgets it's real mac if it shows several.[20:01:17] <tqh> Dane__, not sure but you can set mac adress on some cards in some OS'es.[20:01:22] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[20:01:54] <Dane__> tqh In Haiku, is there a way to poke that info into the NIC?[20:02:01] <Dane__> Via Terminal or something?[20:02:12] <tqh> dunno if ifconfig can do that.[20:02:21] <tqh> Dane__, I'm no expert on this.[20:02:35] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[20:02:41] <Dane__> " broadcast <addr> - set broadcast address"[20:02:42] <tqh> but report a bug with all the network hardware in the computer.[20:02:57] <Dane__> tqh Would "broadcast address" be the same as a mac address?[20:03:21] <tqh> no, it is the adress when you want to message all the others on the network.[20:03:26] <Dane__> k[20:03:37] <Dane__> Alrighty thanks[20:10:09] <mrbond> is Net Positive the best browser on Haiku right now?[20:10:23] <AlienSoldier> you mean webpositive[20:10:51] <axeld> Dane__: theoretically, everything is possible :-)[20:13:52] *** kcj has quit IRC[20:20:40] <gordonjcp> Dane__: "broadcast address" should be the first three values of your IP address and then the last one is 255[20:20:43] <gordonjcp> Dane__: *usually*[20:21:16] <gordonjcp> Dane__: I don't believe I've seen my Haiku machine tossing out random MAC addresses[20:21:28] <gordonjcp> Dane__: is it a physical machine with a real physical ethernet card, or is it a VM?[20:27:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:28:10] *** comrad has joined #haiku[20:28:11] *** comrad has joined #haiku[20:31:56] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:37:45] * umccullough still suspects the IT person has misdiagnosed the MAC address issue[20:40:35] <umccullough> or there's something wrong with the hardware itself[20:43:10] *** poxip has quit IRC[20:49:32] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[20:52:54] <gordonjcp> oh, cock[20:53:01] <gordonjcp> I've just blown away /home on my Linux machine[20:53:43] <umccullough> oopsie[20:53:56] <umccullough> wiped the partition?[20:55:19] <axeld> Dane__: it could be that the machine cannot read out the MAC address correctly, and reports a new one every boot[20:56:26] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:58:20] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[21:00:35] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[21:01:20] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[21:06:09] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[21:10:38] *** Turingi has joined #haiku[21:11:01] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[21:13:12] *** Turingi has quit IRC[21:13:56] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[21:15:12] <gordonjcp> umccullough: yup[21:17:28] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[21:19:53] <umccullough> might be able to recover some stuff if you didn't overwrite it completely...[21:20:57] <gordonjcp> umccullough: well I blatted an install image for Haiku onto it[21:21:03] <gordonjcp> so the first 600MB is toast for sure ;-)[21:21:29] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[21:21:36] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[21:22:02] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[21:22:44] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[21:27:35] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[21:27:39] <gordonjcp> yay for alternate superblocks[21:27:47] <gordonjcp> this'll take about an hour to fix, apparently[21:27:58] <gordonjcp> this is the world's way of telling me to get off my lazy arse and fix the car[21:30:34] *** kkux has quit IRC[21:32:02] *** kkux has joined #haiku[21:40:49] *** Not-001 has joined #haiku[21:40:49] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[21:40:52] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli f1c9ea3 - 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