February 8, 2014 
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February 8, 2014 [00:13:53] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:15:50] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:27:26] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:27:26] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[00:27:49] <Paradoxon> i need some help with makefile stuff...[00:27:54] <Dane__> Is there an easy way in bash to remove .mp3 from the ends of all the files in a folder?[00:28:20] <Paradoxon> Dane_ with move??[00:28:21] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[00:28:37] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[00:28:43] <Dane__> Paradoxon Maybe...a way to do it automatically to all the files at once?[00:29:33] <Paradoxon> for file in *.css[00:29:34] <Paradoxon> do[00:29:35] <Paradoxon> # do something on "$file"[00:29:35] <Paradoxon> cat "$file" >> /var/www/cdn.example.com/cache/large.css[00:29:39] <Paradoxon> done[00:29:56] <Paradoxon> just change the *.css to mp3[00:30:29] <Dane__> looking...[00:30:30] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:31:15] <Dane__> Thanks...will try that[00:31:57] <Paradoxon> and the do something should look like mv $file ${file%.*}[00:32:04] <Paradoxon> ... but not 100 shure...[00:32:07] <Dane__> k[00:32:33] <Paradoxon> how can i pass a argument to a makefile??[00:32:48] <Paradoxon> eg i am calling 10 different makefiles from my main makefile..[00:33:16] <Paradoxon> and i just want to set once wether i would like to compile it with debug enabled..[00:33:18] <Dane__> or would it be the opposite.. mv ${file%.*} $file ?[00:33:34] * Paradoxon needs to try this[00:33:35] <Paradoxon> wait[00:34:02] <Dane__> ga[00:35:36] <Paradoxon> mv $file ${file%.*}[00:35:52] <Dane__> ok thanks[00:35:59] * Dane__ pokes that into the script[00:35:59] <Paradoxon> the firs is the file wich is found by the do file in *.mp3[00:36:05] <Dane__> k[00:36:24] <Paradoxon> and the second one is cutting everingthing after the last dot[00:36:39] <Dane__> Paradoxon In this line...[00:36:40] <Dane__> cat "$file" >> /var/www/cdn.example.com/cache/large.css[00:36:46] <Paradoxon> lol[00:36:51] <Paradoxon> take this away[00:36:56] <Dane__> totally, OK[00:37:08] <Paradoxon> was just copy and paste form internet ;-)[00:37:19] <Dane__> so it's... like this?[00:37:22] <Dane__> for file in *.mp3[00:37:23] <Dane__> do[00:37:23] <Dane__> mv $file ${file%.*}[00:37:24] <Dane__> done[00:37:26] <Paradoxon> roger[00:37:32] <Dane__> great...trying it![00:37:44] <Paradoxon> you can have a fancy echo in there ;-)[00:38:19] * Paradoxon dont gets the hpkg system..[00:38:24] <Paradoxon> made a recepie...[00:38:36] <Paradoxon> but it placed all my stuff all over the place..[00:38:49] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[00:40:32] <Paradoxon> umccullough do you know how i can pass a a value from one makefile to a nother[00:40:34] <Paradoxon> ?[00:41:25] <Dane__> re[00:41:29] <Dane__> hah, worked like magic![00:41:31] <umccullough> environment variable?[00:41:33] <Dane__> thanks Paradoxon[00:41:33] <umccullough> :)[00:41:49] <umccullough> Paradoxon, i don't mess with a lot of makefiles, tbh[00:42:02] <Paradoxon> hmm no i mean like DEBUGGER = TRUE[00:42:08] <Paradoxon> i have a lot ..[00:42:12] <Paradoxon> one for every plugin[00:42:24] <Paradoxon> one for my main app[00:42:31] <Paradoxon> and one to rule them all ;-)[00:42:49] <Paradoxon> and i just want to define DEBUGGER = TRUE and so one in the main[00:42:50] <Paradoxon> one[00:43:00] <umccullough> and makefiles can't use env vars?[00:43:02] <Paradoxon> and pass it to all other make files[00:43:11] <Paradoxon> i have no idea..[00:43:23] <umccullough> i don't either - i'm sure some googling might yield some answers?[00:43:24] <Paradoxon> MauriceK wrote the makefiles for me ;-)[00:43:29] <umccullough> heh[00:43:38] <umccullough> anyway, afk for a bit[00:44:00] <Paradoxon> Jep but i have seen him lately in here..[00:44:14] *** Gedrin has quit IRC[00:44:33] <Paradoxon> and it still works like a charm :-D[00:44:58] *** poxip has quit IRC[00:55:40] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[00:55:52] <Dane__> Paradoxon Any idea why the script would fail on files that start with a - (minus sign) ?[00:56:06] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[00:57:11] <Dane__> mmu_man[00:59:17] <Paradoxon> no idea. i would suggest the fancy echo[00:59:37] <Dane__> Paradoxon Sorry, not sure what fancy echo is :-)[01:00:03] <mmu_man> Dane__: cause most commands take - as the start of an option[01:00:18] <mmu_man> either pass it ./-foobar[01:00:34] <Dane__> mmu_man Would the script above work with such files if some or all of it were in quotation marks?[01:00:36] <mmu_man> or in the script use -- before passing the $file variable as last argument[01:01:13] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[01:01:21] <Dane__> ah like this?[01:01:26] <Dane__> mv $file -- ${file%.*}[01:01:26] <mmu_man> Dane__: cat -- "$file" >> ...[01:01:47] <Dane__> What we were working with was the following...[01:01:51] <Dane__> for file in *.mp3[01:01:52] <Dane__> do[01:01:53] <Dane__> mv $file ${file%.*}[01:01:53] <Dane__> done[01:02:00] <mmu_man> no, you still have a $file before -- there[01:02:14] <mmu_man> mv -- "$file" "${file%.*}"[01:02:24] <Dane__> ah[01:02:28] <Dane__> OK trying that, thanks[01:02:46] <mmu_man> usually a bad idea to have that kind of filenames anyway[01:03:06] <mmu_man> ok I updated https://github.com/mmuman/UselessSoundplayPlugins/tree/master[01:03:33] <mmu_man> but I should make hpkg for the SP SDK before fixing the build[01:04:05] *** jua_ has quit IRC[01:05:22] <Dane__> mmu_man does it again![01:05:30] <Dane__> thanks[01:06:12] *** gcibot has quit IRC[01:06:33] *** gcibot has joined #haiku[01:07:19] <mmu_man> btw, do you still need the thing you posted me 2 months ago or did you manage to do it anyway?[01:07:26] <mmu_man> I lost track on that, sorry[01:07:39] <Dane__> Somebody with the chops should try and get Pecorename working for Haiku...such a great program.[01:07:56] <Dane__> mmu_man Oh, yes, no probs, we got it.[01:07:58] <Dane__> But thanks.[01:10:05] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[01:10:20] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[01:10:59] *** Skipp_OSX has quit 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quit IRC[02:54:42] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[03:00:54] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[03:02:20] *** lewellyn has joined #haiku[03:06:12] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[03:10:13] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[03:10:49] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[03:11:05] *** epigraph has quit IRC[03:16:43] *** pemdp has quit IRC[03:18:42] *** cb88 has quit IRC[03:20:57] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[03:26:37] *** lewellyn has joined #haiku[03:30:53] *** kkux has quit IRC[03:35:43] *** kkux has joined #haiku[03:36:57] <tidux> can PM nightlies update to new versions of the base system through HaikuDepot yet?[04:07:17] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[04:22:39] <mattlacey> ooh good question[04:22:41] <mattlacey> that would be ncie[04:27:54] <tidux> I know that the base system is listed as a package, so I know it's planned[04:29:32] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[04:29:54] *** NegrO_ has joined #haiku[04:33:31] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[04:37:25] *** oco2 has quit IRC[04:38:19] *** kkux has quit IRC[04:38:48] *** kkux has joined #haiku[04:44:23] *** SonicX has quit IRC[04:48:49] <tidux> are USB audio devices supported via hotplug?[04:50:47] * tidux plugs in a USB headset[04:50:49] <tidux> apparently not[04:54:41] <umccullough> actaully, you can upgrade with pkgman - but it's messy[04:55:05] <umccullough> since haiku isn't yet designed to be upgraded live[04:55:17] <tidux> that "yet" is incredibly exciting[04:55:25] <umccullough> i've done it a few times though[04:55:29] <tidux> now for USB audio is hotplug just not implemented yet or should I file a bug?[04:55:31] <umccullough> things get wonky, sometimes it crashes[04:55:38] <umccullough> then after reboot you have to reconfigure a few things[04:55:47] <tidux> no different than Ubuntu on that front[04:55:56] <umccullough> heh[04:56:01] <tidux> or Windows[04:56:06] <umccullough> well, it shouldn't attempt to use the new package until you reboot[04:56:19] <tidux> makes sense, since the base is all one package[04:56:22] <umccullough> but once it's done right... the reconfiguration shouldn't be needed[04:56:35] <umccullough> basically all the deskbar replicants have to be re-loaded, etc.[04:56:42] <tidux> no biggy[04:56:57] <umccullough> i think it's because their attributes get lost when the package unmounts and the new one mounts[04:57:07] <tidux> holy shit binutils is HUGE[04:57:09] <umccullough> also, the fonts go whacko untl reboot[04:57:10] <tidux> 142MB git repo[04:57:16] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[04:57:31] <umccullough> it's actually pretty funny - kallisti5 can explain how to setup for a live upgrade[04:57:40] <tidux> do we have a directory for user installable fonts yet?[04:57:48] <umccullough> i forget the exact steps - it involves adding the current repo to your pkgman[04:57:55] <tidux> something equivalent to ~/.fonts/ on *nix[04:57:58] <umccullough> hmm, i think there's a nonpackaged fonts dir[04:58:03] <tidux> sweet[04:58:17] <umccullough> you can also just drop a fonts package in the right place[04:58:20] <umccullough> assuming they're packaged[04:58:37] <umccullough> but actually, im' not sure they're user-specific, or system-wide[04:58:45] <tidux> I'm thinking of a script for the MS Core Fonts, where the fonts themselves aren't legally packageable[04:58:54] <umccullough> right[04:58:55] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[04:59:08] <umccullough> it would be feasible to write a recipe that downloads, extracts, and creates an hpkg[04:59:14] <tidux> ah ok[04:59:34] <umccullough> in fact, there are a few font packages already[04:59:42] <umccullough> and basically, they just download the fonts and package htem[04:59:46] <umccullough> er, font recipes[05:00:15] <umccullough> http://bb.haikuports.org/haikuports/src/8c1f8116ed5c098b3a01dd6925b8bb084c69c5f9/media-fonts/?at=master[05:00:21] <tidux> so did I tell you I got ssmtp+mutt+offlineimap working and installed on hrev46791 gcc2h?[05:00:42] <tidux> it's pretty sweet[05:00:47] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[05:00:58] <umccullough> heh[05:01:16] <umccullough> as for the usb headset - does it work if plugged in at boot?[05:01:33] <tidux> I'm building Transmission via haikuports and I don't really want to interrupt the build[05:01:36] <tidux> so I haven't tried yet[05:01:40] <umccullough> k[05:01:50] <umccullough> while it's plugged in, you can listusb to get details about it[05:01:54] <umccullough> from terminal[05:01:57] <tidux> it shows up in listusb[05:01:59] <umccullough> and see if it's audio class or not[05:02:02] <umccullough> ah[05:02:18] <umccullough> does it show up in /dev ?[05:02:22] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[05:02:23] <tidux> and the power LED's on and there was an audible pop when my headphones got power[05:02:23] <tidux> hang on[05:02:36] <tidux> nope[05:02:38] <umccullough> probably /dev/audio/hmulti/...[05:03:00] <tidux> ~> cd /dev/audio/hmulti/[05:03:00] <tidux> /dev/audio/hmulti> ls[05:03:00] <tidux> hda[05:03:01] <tidux> nope[05:03:06] <umccullough> k[05:03:17] <umccullough> it should load the driver immediately i think[05:03:24] <umccullough> is there a usb_audio driver installed?[05:03:36] <tidux> where are drivers kept?[05:03:42] <tidux> I'll run a find command[05:03:50] <umccullough> something like /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin[05:04:05] <tidux> nope![05:04:07] <umccullough> aha[05:04:11] <umccullough> maybe it's not finished[05:04:14] * umccullough checks[05:04:23] <umccullough> i never tested it myself[05:04:30] <tidux> /system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin> ls usb_*[05:04:31] <tidux> usb_asix usb_disk usb_floppy usb_midi usb_raw[05:04:31] <tidux> usb_davicom usb_ecm usb_hid usb_printer usb_serial[05:04:56] <umccullough> code for it is here: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/usb[05:05:03] <umccullough> let's check the image jamfiles[05:05:30] <umccullough> hmm, commented out[05:05:32] <umccullough> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/build/jam/images/HaikuImage#n173[05:05:45] <umccullough> was under the "OLD" drivers[05:05:50] <umccullough> maybe it doesn't use the new hmulti API[05:05:53] <tidux> lame[05:06:17] <umccullough> i think siarzhuk was the one that wrote it[05:06:27] <umccullough> yep[05:06:42] <umccullough> he pops in here every once in a while, i'll ask him about it when i see him[05:06:47] <tidux> k cool[05:07:10] <tidux> that'd be fan-flippin-tastic if I no longer had to wrangle the vagaries of the Conexant HD Audio chipset every time I wanted to listen to music under Haiku[05:07:21] <umccullough> looks like it publishes under hmulti[05:07:29] <umccullough> code says it lands in "audio/hmulti/USB Audio/";[05:07:43] <tidux> a space in a filepath under /dev ?[05:07:47] <umccullough> <shrug>[05:07:48] <tidux> wouldn't that break shit?[05:07:50] <umccullough> i guess that's ok?[05:08:00] <tidux> don't mind me, I'm heavily *nix biased[05:08:10] <umccullough> heh, unix supports spaces ;)[05:08:14] <umccullough> maybe not everywhere[05:08:25] <umccullough> don't mind me either, i've been drinking[05:08:28] <tidux> umccullough: but files under /dev are primarily called in C and scripts[05:08:35] <tidux> and parsing spaces in shellscripts is a pain in the butt[05:08:44] <umccullough> pain, yes, forbidden? eh[05:08:45] <tidux> which is why I figured they don't show up much in *nix node names[05:08:57] <tidux> it's fine if it does under Haiku[05:09:00] <umccullough> i suspect it's bad practice, but ... we're haiku![05:09:25] <tidux> lol[05:09:29] <tidux> heirs to BeOS alright[05:09:51] <tidux> also speaking of "we're Haiku" I hope pulkomandy can keep going another month[05:09:53] <tidux> I donated today[05:10:16] <tidux> Web+ is already good enough I can use it for nearly everything I normally do on the internet[05:10:23] <tidux> I don't even miss Flash since I can use youtube-dl[05:10:44] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[05:10:54] <umccullough> nice[05:11:04] <umccullough> anyhow, i'll bbl - gotta go finish watching a movie with the kids[05:11:30] <tidux> kbai[05:19:23] *** DrCode has quit IRC[05:21:26] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[05:21:56] *** DrCode has quit IRC[05:35:30] *** vostro has joined #haiku[05:36:01] *** vostro has joined #haiku[06:08:03] *** irker-646 has joined #haiku[06:08:33] <irker-646> haiku.master: nielx * hrev46837 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b8f01fe+%5Ec45fe1f[06:08:34] <irker-646> b8f01fe: Update translations from Pootle[06:10:37] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[06:13:37] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:14:25] <tidux> goddammit[06:14:33] <tidux> KDL'd while trying to build binutils[06:23:39] *** flos has joined #haiku[06:27:40] <tidux> and again[06:29:05] <tidux> and now it left an unremovable broken file[06:29:07] <tidux> that's just spiffy[06:33:19] *** NegrO_ has quit IRC[06:34:59] <tidux> moving the parent directory to /tmp and rebooting fixed it[07:14:37] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[07:48:56] <tidux> oh shit, GCC 4.8 got called as a build dependency of transmission_x86[07:49:04] <tidux> this is gonna take a long time single-threaded on my E-350 APU...[07:49:07] *** flos has quit IRC[07:50:23] *** arselinux has quit IRC[08:01:31] *** irker-646 has quit IRC[08:04:38] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[08:10:31] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[08:16:43] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[08:18:12] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:20:13] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:33:51] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[08:38:55] *** humdinger has quit IRC[08:43:24] *** Sir_Designer_ has joined #haiku[08:46:26] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[09:08:24] *** fhein has joined #haiku[09:15:22] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:15:53] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[09:19:14] *** slubman has quit IRC[09:20:44] *** slubman has joined #haiku[09:33:54] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:47:46] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[10:16:37] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[10:16:49] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[10:17:00] *** poxip has joined #haiku[10:28:43] *** vostro has quit 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app_server: Fix computing bounding boxes for transformed stuff.[11:41:00] *** poxip has quit IRC[11:43:51] <irker-788> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46839 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a5eb846+%5E89f8b7a[11:43:51] <irker-788> a5eb846: Updated.[11:45:32] *** rossi73 has joined #haiku[11:51:40] <irker-788> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46840 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d02b8b8+%5Ea5eb846[11:51:40] <irker-788> d02b8b8: app_server: Cleanup of some file locations[11:51:45] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[11:53:41] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:53:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:57:12] *** comrad has quit IRC[11:58:16] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[11:58:55] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[12:08:10] *** comrad has joined #haiku[12:08:10] *** comrad has joined #haiku[12:11:10] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[12:16:44] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[12:21:42] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[12:32:03] *** mta has quit IRC[12:32:10] *** mta has joined #haiku[12:42:00] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[12:42:22] *** flos has joined #haiku[13:03:39] *** kkux has quit IRC[13:09:26] *** StreaK|Here has joined #haiku[13:11:21] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[13:18:55] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[13:22:23] *** rossi73 has quit IRC[13:51:19] <irker-788> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev46841 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=54c7d41+%5Ed02b8b8[13:51:19] <irker-788> 54c7d41: Update gcc4 package to include C++11 threads support.[13:56:44] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:59:49] *** iMe is now known as iMe_away[14:01:08] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:14:38] <FreeFull> Does Haiku have any sort of updater?[14:20:10] <jua_> HaikuDepot will have this role some time, but currently updating is not yet possible[14:22:27] <gordonjcp> FreeFull: if you install over the top of an existing Haiku installation, then *mostly* it will work[14:25:36] *** mta has quit IRC[14:27:17] *** mta has joined #haiku[14:27:36] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:28:39] *** HaikuUser is now known as egrath[14:30:47] <egrath> Hello, can someone please give me a hint on how to build a image with subpixel rendering support? I tried to rebuild with "--include-patented-code" but that doesn't seem to enable it (ftoption.h still has commented out the necessary part).[14:36:39] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[14:39:11] *** mkf has quit IRC[14:40:12] *** mkf has joined #haiku[14:43:40] *** flos_ has joined #haiku[14:46:51] *** flos has quit IRC[14:51:56] *** flos_ has quit IRC[14:53:48] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[14:53:58] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[14:54:24] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[15:00:14] <irker-788> haiku.master: korli * hrev46842 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=4c000bf+%5E54c7d41[15:00:15] <irker-788> 4c000bf: Update gcc 4 package for x86_64.[15:14:29] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[15:19:19] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[15:26:58] *** alvin__ has joined #haiku[15:30:42] *** iMe_away is now known as iMe[15:32:19] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[15:46:21] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[15:59:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:13:05] *** paul0 has quit IRC[16:13:32] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[16:17:59] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[16:19:51] *** slubman has quit IRC[16:20:07] *** slubman has joined #haiku[16:24:07] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[16:26:11] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[16:28:36] *** idefix_gromit has quit IRC[16:52:27] *** GutsAndGloy has joined #haiku[16:52:41] <umccullough> haiku servers need to go down for a while guys, sorry[16:52:48] <umccullough> haiku-files.org will remain online[16:53:32] *** alvin__ has quit IRC[16:56:00] *** iMe is now known as iMe_away[16:56:47] *** irker-788 has quit IRC[16:59:53] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[17:01:20] *** rdmr has quit IRC[17:01:45] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[17:01:51] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:02:04] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[17:05:04] *** egrath has quit IRC[17:09:30] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:25:28] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:40:17] *** egrath has joined #haiku[17:41:27] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[17:42:59] *** egrath has quit IRC[17:45:54] *** rdmr has quit IRC[17:46:31] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[17:49:36] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[17:51:33] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:52:05] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[17:55:57] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[18:15:11] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:20:39] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[18:23:50] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[18:29:26] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[18:29:50] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[18:30:00] *** egrath has joined #haiku[18:31:18] <egrath> Can anyone give me a hint on how to build Haiku with Subpixel Rendering enabled? The "--include-patented-code" configure switch seems to not work.[18:32:55] <umccullough> as i mentioned in the forums, that's because the freetype code is no longer in the haiku repository, but instead built separately and downloaded whenever you build haiku[18:35:36] <egrath> OK thanks for the information and the forum reply![18:36:02] <umccullough> i think the logical solution would be for someone to build both freetype packages, one with subpixel, one without[18:36:24] <umccullough> someone else had suggested recently we just always include the subpixel hinting logic[18:37:16] <egrath> is it a software patent related issue that it's currently disabled?[18:37:30] <umccullough> yes[18:37:43] <umccullough> due to microsoft's cleartype patents[18:38:55] <egrath> then it's IMHO good to have it disabled by default. A optimum solution would be to provide a package with subpixel rendering and hinting enabled to be used by people who live in a country where software patents aren't an issue (or who simply don't care about)[18:40:06] <luroh> hinting has been enabled for some time, iirc[18:40:23] <luroh> just not subpixel rendering[18:41:16] <egrath> can you please also give me a hint on how to rebuild a single package using jam? If i remember correct, enabling subpixel rendering in Freetype is just a matter of tweaking the ftoption.h file and uncomment the corresponding #define[18:43:23] <umccullough> the problem is, freetype isn't built in our build system any longer[18:43:35] <umccullough> it's pre-built and uploaded somewhere - and then downloaded, with headers, during the haiku build[18:44:05] <egrath> ah, ok i understand. i thought the source package is fetched and then built. if it's binary things arent't that easy :-)[18:44:12] <umccullough> right[18:44:34] <umccullough> you can see the package it downloads in your generated folder, i think under build_packages or something[18:44:54] <umccullough> in any case, the mailing list is probably a better place to inquire about enabling this option yourself[18:45:26] <umccullough> anyhow, currently in the middle of rebuilding the haiku server's raid, so i'm a little busy :)[18:45:54] <umccullough> although, i think it's good to go now, just gotta finish the rebuild[18:46:25] <luroh> freetype should have a recipe at haikuports.org[18:47:01] <luroh> using 'haikuporter', you should be able to build a copy yourself[18:47:03] <egrath> ok, will first try to build freetype by myself and if that didn't work out contact the mailing list. I've seen the recipe but didn't know what to do with it... i'm new to haiku development :-)[18:47:11] <egrath> ah ok, thanks![18:49:10] *** irker-237 has joined #haiku[18:49:32] <egrath> Thanks for all the help - will be away playing around with the new infos ;-)[18:49:40] <irker-237> haiku.master: js * hrev46843 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=221554b+%5E4c000bf[18:49:40] <irker-237> 221554b: Add vim-7.4-1 for x86[18:50:04] <luroh> good luck :)[18:54:32] *** iMe_away is now known as iMe[18:58:29] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[18:58:37] *** iMe is now known as iMe_away[19:06:45] *** kkux has joined #haiku[19:12:30] *** HubertX4 has joined #haiku[19:20:44] *** egrath has quit IRC[19:20:52] *** DKnoto_ has joined #haiku[19:21:19] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[19:21:57] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[19:24:59] *** axeld has joined #haiku[19:24:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[19:30:36] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:31:01] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[19:31:50] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:36:02] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[19:37:48] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[19:41:51] *** kcj has joined #haiku[19:42:21] *** kcj has quit IRC[19:48:39] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:49:25] *** iMe_away is now known as iMe[19:50:48] *** vooshy has quit IRC[19:52:07] *** egrath has joined #haiku[19:53:13] <egrath> I just managed to compile freetype with subpixel rendering enabled, but now the next problem arised - how to write to /boot/system? It's read only :-) Is there something like a remount option as in linux?[19:54:58] <luroh> you need to blacklist the system package. hold on, there's a guide...[19:55:13] <luroh> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/blacklist-packages[19:55:25] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:56:14] <egrath> Thanks for the link, will read and proceed.[19:56:34] <luroh> then throw your package in home/config/packages[19:57:00] <luroh> maybe you actually want to do that in the reverse order, i'm not sure[19:57:35] <luroh> perhaps try blacklisting via the boot menu first[19:58:17] *** kcj has joined #haiku[20:03:53] <luroh> on second thought no, blacklisting freetype via the boot menu won't work. that's just for blacklisting stuff in haiku.hpkg[20:04:16] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[20:05:21] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:06:28] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:06:56] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:06:58] <irker-237> haiku.master: korli * hrev46844 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=aa0797a+%5E221554b[20:06:59] <irker-237> 8b0f40c: Update freetype package for x86_64.[20:07:00] <irker-237> aa0797a: Appearance: use ft2build.h instead of ftoption.h[20:07:24] <egrath> just saw it. i think i need to read through the entire package management stuff to first learn how things interact these days[20:09:42] <luroh> it takes some getting used to for sure[20:22:04] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[20:28:09] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[20:28:13] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli fe47107 - freetype: version 2.5.2 * headers changed their locations from version 2.5.[20:30:35] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[20:32:27] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[20:44:01] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:47:24] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:48:21] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:48:27] *** DKnoto_ has quit IRC[20:50:54] *** arselinux has quit IRC[20:51:26] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[21:05:18] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:07:20] *** cnuke has quit IRC[21:10:26] *** jua_ has quit IRC[21:14:21] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[21:17:21] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[21:19:16] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[21:22:27] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[21:22:34] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[21:23:02] *** Alam_Lenny has quit IRC[21:25:07] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[21:27:08] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[21:27:53] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[21:38:48] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[21:44:29] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[21:46:08] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:55:10] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[22:01:00] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:02:24] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:04:27] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[22:07:28] *** Gedrin has joined #haiku[22:09:56] *** iMe is now known as iMe_away[22:16:03] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:16:30] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:29:36] <Skipp_OSX> hello[22:31:35] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[22:32:09] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:32:50] *** StreaK|Here has quit IRC[22:33:46] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:35:11] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[22:37:26] *** Gedrin has quit IRC[22:41:32] <Skipp_OSX> jstressman: you there?[22:42:02] <jstressman> what's up?[22:42:25] <Skipp_OSX> you have at least an amature understading of Japanese right?[22:42:30] <jstressman> yeah[22:43:00] <Skipp_OSX> ok, give me a sec, I have a question for you[22:43:04] <jstressman> k[22:43:36] <jstressman> mind you I'm only upper beginner or lower intermediate. ;) but hopefully I can be of assistance.[22:44:14] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:44:15] *** mta has quit IRC[22:44:23] *** mta has joined #haiku[22:44:29] <Skipp_OSX> can you translate this comment for me? https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/apps/mail/Content.cpp#n1157[22:47:42] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:48:20] <umccullough> google translate?[22:48:38] <Skipp_OSX> I tried... it didn't produce something I can understand[22:48:51] <umccullough> you got this? http://pastebin.com/LurB71PK[22:49:17] <Skipp_OSX> that seems better than what I got[22:49:27] <umccullough> i just pasted it in and used the auto-detect[22:49:37] <Skipp_OSX> either way... it's not a great translation[22:49:49] <jstressman> here... let me polish it up a bit...[22:49:54] <umccullough> well, code comments tend not to be great for translation to begin with ;)[22:52:11] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[22:52:17] <jstressman> "However, since it is contradictory while input_server has not sent B_INPUT_METHOD_EVENT (B_INPUT_METHOD_STOPPED) in this case, consistency in processing is carried out unavoidably here."[22:52:22] <jstressman> the end part is a bit rough...[22:53:11] <Skipp_OSX> okay, that's a bit better[22:53:41] <Skipp_OSX> jstressman: can you do the line above too?[22:54:09] <jstressman> yeah, sorry... missed that one.[22:54:09] <Skipp_OSX> or I guess you already did[22:54:13] <jstressman> no, I missed it.[22:54:16] <Skipp_OSX> my fault[22:54:56] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:55:26] <jstressman> "IM is also set to Inactive and MakeFocus (false) is decided as it is. " ?[22:59:04] <jstressman> it'd be nice if any of my fluent friends was around at the moment to help. :P[22:59:45] <Skipp_OSX> I wonder what IM is[22:59:48] <umccullough> probably close enough to appease axel ;)[23:00:03] <umccullough> input method?[23:00:14] <Skipp_OSX> ah yes... that makes sense[23:00:54] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:02:35] *** kneekoo has quit IRC[23:04:15] <Skipp_OSX> jstressman: well, thanks anyway[23:05:46] <jstressman> wish I could be more help. :)[23:06:03] <Skipp_OSX> your Japanese is a heck of a lot better than mine[23:06:45] <bbjimmy> This little example yab app wirks just fine on r1a4.1, but dies on laynch on PM. Calc.yab compiles with BuildFactory gives: http://fatelk.com/haiku/Calc-2902-debug-08-02-2014-21-34-30.report should I open a ticket?[23:06:58] <bbjimmy> #launch[23:07:07] <bbjimmy> *launch[23:09:44] <Skipp_OSX> bbjimmy: worst thing that can happen is that it will be closed as Invalid, yes, file a ticket[23:10:28] <Skipp_OSX> It is probably a bug in YAB, but, perhaps not[23:12:46] <bbjimmy> It is solid as a rock on r1a4.1. and doesn't matter if I compile it on a4.1 or PM it has the same crash on PM.[23:12:51] *** poxip has joined #haiku[23:13:12] <Skipp_OSX> bbjimmy: yeah, could be that we fixed something in Haiku that just happened to work in 4.1 though[23:13:42] *** kneekoo has joined #haiku[23:14:01] <Skipp_OSX> like maybe we forgot to free something in R1A4, but then YAB frees it, and that did work, but we fixed the bug and now free, so YAB double frees[23:14:27] <bbjimmy> Thgis example app worked on a3. and a4 soliod, now it borks[23:15:09] <Skipp_OSX> okay, well, I don't know the answer from looking at that bug report, but, somebody else might[23:15:12] <bbjimmy> it works in zeta as well.[23:15:34] <bbjimmy> I will file the ticket.[23:16:17] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:17:59] <Skipp_OSX> can someone take a look at: http://pastebin.com/EvX9fVr9 and confirm that the crash happens in BControlLook::BArrowShape ?[23:21:37] <Skipp_OSX> actually, it makes a lot more sense that the crash occurs in BDirectory::GetNextEntry()[23:23:01] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:23:39] *** comrad has quit IRC[23:24:07] <Skipp_OSX> shoot... I think I found the problem...[23:24:37] <Skipp_OSX> is there anybody here who can answer a pretty technical question about file system limits?[23:25:43] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[23:26:13] <Skipp_OSX> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheStorageKit_Constants.html#Constants_Limits[23:26:42] <Skipp_OSX> it says: B_FILE_NAME_LENGTH Number of characters allowed in a file name.[23:26:59] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[23:27:27] <Skipp_OSX> but what is a character? Does that mean B_FILE_NAME_LENGTH bytes or B_FILE_NAME_LENGTH UTF-8 characters that might be 4 bytes each?[23:28:03] <Skipp_OSX> or does that mean B_FILE_NAME_LENGTH UTF-8 characters that might be combined 100 times to be much much greater than 4 bytes each?[23:28:28] <hamishm> it means bytes[23:30:19] <Skipp_OSX> okay, so, since B_FILE_NAME_LENGTH is 256 that means we support only 32 4-byte character names right?[23:30:58] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[23:31:10] *** umccullough has left #haiku[23:32:03] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[23:32:40] <hamishm> 63 4-byte character names[23:33:03] <hamishm> because you need a null byte in there too[23:33:17] <Skipp_OSX> right okay[23:34:13] <Skipp_OSX> so, I need to do something about that... since exfat and NTFS support up to 255 4-byte UTF-16 character names[23:35:31] <Skipp_OSX> actually probably only 127, but still twice as many[23:36:35] <vooshy> most my filenames still fit in the old 8x3 format - any reason for extending?[23:37:30] <FreeFull> Most of my filenames don;t[23:37:32] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[23:38:28] <Skipp_OSX> I'm afraid extending it might be impossible even if we wanted to[23:40:47] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[23:40:53] *** DKnoto_ has joined #haiku[23:41:00] *** kkux has quit IRC[23:41:13] <Skipp_OSX> I was just hoping that characters meant UTF-8 characters and not chars[23:52:38] <vooshy> probably an r2 feature id imagine[23:55:20] <Skipp_OSX> perhaps we could just quadruple our internal buffers without changing the API[23:58:36] <vooshy> probably, it would be getting it approved by all the devs would be the hard bit[23:59:15] *** jua_ has quit IRC[23:59:23] <bbjimmy> made the ticket. https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10520