February 7, 2014 
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February 7, 2014 [00:07:36] *** poxip has quit IRC[00:08:43] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[00:10:47] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[00:13:33] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[00:14:14] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[00:22:41] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[00:24:33] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:30:50] *** slubman has quit IRC[00:33:30] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[00:33:47] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[00:34:38] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[01:11:20] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:14:33] *** soakbot1 has joined #haiku[01:18:15] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:18:25] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[01:19:59] *** soakbot has quit IRC[01:21:14] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[01:22:16] *** HAIKU-Buildbot has joined #haiku[01:22:43] <irker-511> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev46832 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=32cae72+%5E3472fc5[01:22:43] <irker-511> 32cae72: package daemon: Handle location info request in app thread[01:27:11] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:29:40] *** useragent_ has joined #haiku[01:37:19] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[01:45:32] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[01:49:49] *** useragent_ has quit IRC[02:02:37] *** ignacio|here has joined #haiku[02:02:42] <ignacio|here> puckipedia: ping[02:12:41] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[02:13:50] *** tidux has joined #haiku[02:14:00] <tidux> so after more sound shenanigans and very little success, I had an idea[02:14:36] <tidux> have any of the HDA guys looked at the asound.state files from ALSA that get written to disk when you do "alsactl store" in Linux?[02:15:08] <tidux> it's basically a plaintext dump of every struct and what it does, and known good settings[02:15:17] <tidux> If I'm six years late to the party that's cool too.[02:21:04] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[02:22:16] <tidux> anyway, if there's a way to emulate "alsactl init" from the kernel, that resets every part of the sound driver to a known-good state[02:31:21] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[02:32:43] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:33:50] *** vostro has joined #haiku[02:43:51] *** daniel__ has joined #haiku[02:44:07] <daniel__> hi[02:45:25] <tidux> hi[02:46:06] <daniel__> hi tidux[02:46:23] <daniel__> how are you sir?[02:47:34] <tidux> good[02:48:19] <daniel__> nice[02:49:00] <daniel__> so... do you use Haiku . i think yes[02:51:53] <tidux> yep[02:51:57] <tidux> I'm using it on bare metal now[02:52:15] <tidux> listening to music, SSHing into this IRC box over wifi, and browsing 4chan with WebPositive[02:53:29] <daniel__> good guy mkkk[02:53:39] <daniel__> unfortunally i can't[02:53:50] <daniel__> my lenovo bastard[02:54:04] <daniel__> the atheros wifi doesnt works[02:54:55] <tidux> that's odd[02:55:05] <tidux> I have an AR9285 in my x120e and it works great[02:55:26] <daniel__> is funny because i can see the info on network controller on devices[02:55:44] <tidux> that just means the PCI bus can identify it[02:55:47] <tidux> doesn't mean there's a driver[02:56:24] <daniel__> how you make to work you ar9285?[02:56:31] <tidux> ...just boot[02:56:40] <tidux> it's been supported on Haiku since like 2011[02:56:49] <daniel__> i have here one AR9485[02:57:33] <daniel__> and AR8161 ethernet too[02:57:48] <daniel__> both doesn't work[02:59:38] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[03:01:23] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[03:03:52] <tidux> it's all chipset dependent[03:04:20] <daniel__> now i remeber i have one links usb wireless[03:04:35] *** oco2 has quit IRC[03:04:51] <daniel__> linkysys usb network adapater[03:05:00] <daniel__> i will try now.[03:05:10] <daniel__> see you[03:06:18] *** daniel__ has quit IRC[03:13:42] *** daniel__ has joined #haiku[03:14:08] <daniel__> hi everyone[03:15:41] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[03:17:40] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[03:17:40] *** daniel__ has quit IRC[03:18:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:18:26] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:19:39] *** wadlspl has joined #haiku[03:21:07] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[03:24:01] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[03:48:24] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[03:49:15] <bebop-haiku> daniel: hey, did it work?[03:49:52] *** bebop-haiku has left #haiku[03:56:28] <umccullough> we don't have any usb wifi drivers[03:56:52] <tidux> or USB audio drivers that I can tel[03:56:53] <tidux> l[03:57:01] <umccullough> actually, we have usb_audio[03:57:13] *** wadlspl has quit IRC[03:57:17] <tidux> really?[03:57:19] <umccullough> it's should be a generic driver for any device that matches the standard[03:57:19] <tidux> doesn't seem to work[03:57:25] *** LjL is now known as Al-Jayal[03:58:21] <umccullough> as for the ar9485, that may be one of the yet-unsupported devices[03:58:30] <umccullough> i'd need to see the deviceid to know for sure[04:11:11] *** ignacio|here is now known as ignacio|sleep[04:17:40] *** ignacio|sleep has left #haiku[04:26:26] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[04:30:49] *** NegrO_ has joined #haiku[04:34:30] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[04:34:48] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:38:11] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:41:58] *** Al-Jayal is now known as LjL-September[04:48:04] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[04:49:16] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[05:00:29] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[05:04:21] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:17:22] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:22:05] *** epigraph has quit IRC[05:24:05] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[05:29:05] <scanty> umccullough, did you get a chance to try that "second hard drive" situation?[05:33:04] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[05:43:05] <bbjimmy> I need to doisable the intel extreme video driver ... recenbt nightly doesn't work with video.... how to get to VESA?[05:43:56] <bbjimmy> I usually rename the driver, but the directory is now read only.[05:44:16] <bbjimmy> more PM breakage.[05:45:15] <bbjimmy> This kind of stuff needs to be easy.[05:45:41] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[05:48:41] <bbjimmy> rebooting to r1a4.1 to view a video.[05:48:47] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[05:50:47] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:57:59] *** NegrO_ has quit IRC[05:58:08] *** Gedrin has quit IRC[06:00:46] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: there is a blacklist system to disable drivers in the system package, it will cause that file to not show up[06:04:31] *** earthnative has quit IRC[06:04:40] *** earthnative has joined #haiku[06:04:48] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: here is the way to do it permanently, there is also apparently an option in the bootloader to do it for one boot[06:27:58] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[06:35:51] <bbjimmy> byt where is trhe documentation?[06:35:59] <bbjimmy> *buyt[06:36:07] <bbjimmy> *but[06:36:14] <bbjimmy> *the[06:37:17] <OmniMancer> https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/blacklist_0[06:37:22] <OmniMancer> sorry forgot the link[06:37:52] * bbjimmy looking[06:42:51] <bbjimmy> really? I have to edit a file to "blacklist" a driver? This has to be easier that that. What a mess![06:43:32] <bbjimmy> rebooting to PM to see if it wotked. :P[06:43:37] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:47:09] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:48:41] <bbjimmy> it worked, on the second boot as I had a typo on the filename that needed to be corected. still, This is just too " Techie" for the average user.[06:49:01] *** orealis has quit IRC[06:49:30] <bbjimmy> drag and drop, or right click and rename works much better.[06:50:43] <bbjimmy> I like the advantages ogf PM, but at this point, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages by a huge margen.[06:56:03] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[07:02:59] *** vostro has quit IRC[07:05:23] <bbjimmy> OmniMancer Thanks for the info.[07:08:04] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[07:10:25] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: you don't normally have to blacklist drivers or files, it is a rare action, and if you do have to do it as a normal user this is still possible, additionally if you need to do it in order to boot there is a bootmenu option for it for that boot[07:11:41] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[07:12:42] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:23:12] *** arselinux has quit IRC[07:32:25] *** tqh has joined #haiku[07:33:17] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[07:35:50] <bbjimmy> OmniMancer Apparently you have never worked with reak-world users. moving or renaming a file is bad enough, getting them to edit a tect file is worse than pulling teeth. This is not acceptable.[07:36:08] <bbjimmy> *real-world[07:36:22] <bbjimmy> *text[07:37:08] <bbjimmy> Yhis is the Linux way of doing things, not the BeOS / HAIKU way.[07:38:09] <OmniMancer> a tracker addon that added it to the list could probably be written[07:38:33] <bbjimmy> This type of stuff is why GNU Linux never made it on the desktop.[07:39:00] <umccullough> hm?[07:39:12] <umccullough> hate to be the bearer of bad news...[07:39:33] <bbjimmy> We are not down to editing config files?[07:39:44] <umccullough> no, that's not what i mean...[07:39:51] <umccullough> linux is very much on the desktop ;)[07:39:58] <umccullough> far more than beos ever was[07:40:17] <bbjimmy> But far slower than it should have been.[07:40:24] <umccullough> perhaps[07:40:42] <bbjimmy> mostly because of this kind of stuff.[07:40:59] <umccullough> when my wife asked me to install linux on her machine instead of windows, i knew it was sealed[07:41:37] <umccullough> my kids are better at computers than she is...[07:41:51] <bbjimmy> When was that? not eight years ago as it should have been.[07:41:59] <umccullough> nope, a few months ago[07:42:15] <umccullough> but still...[07:42:21] <umccullough> linux has evolved[07:42:25] <bbjimmy> only because of Windows eight?[07:42:33] <umccullough> no, because of the NSA[07:42:41] <bbjimmy> Yes, and Haiku is de-evolving[07:43:15] <umccullough> it doesn't matter - when linux is where people want to be, we've lost that battle[07:43:30] <umccullough> i'm actually pretty tired of hearing "linux is hard"[07:43:32] <umccullough> it's not[07:43:42] <umccullough> but anyway, i'll go to bed now, 'night[07:43:50] <bbjimmy> but haiku is getting harder.[07:44:12] <umccullough> for those who are unwilling to join the rest of the world, ys[07:44:13] <umccullough> yes[07:44:57] <umccullough> haiku is ridiculously easy, and still linux is good 'nough[07:45:08] <bbjimmy> you mean we all must edit config files now? mess with read-only file structure that shouldn't be?[07:45:18] <umccullough> <shrug>[07:45:23] <umccullough> you do what you gotta do[07:45:43] <bbjimmy> gotta fix HAIKU[07:45:49] <umccullough> anyway, i'm not here to argue, only to share my experience[07:45:59] <bbjimmy> me too[07:46:21] <umccullough> haiku lacks software, linux doesn't[07:46:50] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:46:57] <umccullough> my wife wants linux because it has openoffice, chrome, and inkscape - the stuff she actually uses[07:47:14] <bbjimmy> because haiku is afraid of releasing. It was almost ready, then came up with this PM stuff to break everythinmg.[07:47:28] <umccullough> i think you're focused on the wrong problems, tbh[07:47:31] <puckipedia> The thing is, the pm stuff was needed[07:47:44] <puckipedia> imo, installoptionalpackage wasn´t enough[07:47:48] <bbjimmy> butr the breakage wasn;t[07:48:03] <umccullough> stuck in the past, like the rest of the haiku community...[07:48:06] <umccullough> btw, i'm drunk[07:48:13] <umccullough> so, i'm talking gibberish :)[07:48:14] <umccullough> later[07:48:24] <bbjimmy> agreed, PM was needed, but it didn't have to break the whole OS.[07:48:38] <puckipedia> I think it had to[07:49:14] <puckipedia> The way the packages work, you can´t change what´s inside[07:49:29] <bbjimmy> I don't think it did, they just did it the easy way, not the right way.[07:50:03] <puckipedia> The thing is, the packages, when installed, should just work[07:50:25] <puckipedia> All configuration is outside of the packages[07:50:39] *** kneekoo has quit IRC[07:50:55] <bbjimmy> Agreed, but what I have seen ios packages with bad requires ... our own version of dll hell.[07:52:13] <bbjimmy> This package woh't work because that package doesn't provide what this package requires, even though it really does.[07:52:33] * PulkoMandy notices users are rambling on IRC, yet no bug reports about this[07:52:45] <PulkoMandy> the packages I use work. Because I've seen the problems and fixed them[07:54:27] <bbjimmy> the package command line tool is too feeble to actually use for a developer. ant haikuporter is a real mess. adding a barrier to entry for any developer.[07:55:04] <puckipedia> !patchwanted bbjimmy[07:55:12] <puckipedia> welp, epigraph offline again[07:55:26] *** _marc` has quit IRC[07:56:01] <PulkoMandy> haikuporter is much much much better than it was before[07:56:14] <PulkoMandy> and yes, there are some things to cleanup, puckipedia even did some of that[07:56:19] <PulkoMandy> was merged yesterday I think?[07:56:22] <puckipedia> Yep[07:56:41] <bbjimmy> I am just getting to the point that I think I can make some useful apps, but I have no tiome to mess with haikuporter.[07:57:14] <PulkoMandy> well, then don't, we can handle that[07:57:20] <PulkoMandy> we did it for a lot of BeOS apps[07:57:34] <PulkoMandy> (and ported ones)[07:57:34] <puckipedia> Just share a zip file or something[07:57:44] <PulkoMandy> or yes, you can continue doing that[07:57:46] <PulkoMandy> it still works[07:57:55] <bbjimmy> how can I make a package that really works without messing with haikuporter?[07:57:56] <PulkoMandy> as long as you don't mess with /boot/system[07:57:59] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[07:58:01] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:58:22] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: if you could, we wouldn't have written haikuporter[07:58:42] <PulkoMandy> using package directly, you can't really know what your actual dependencies are, you can only guess[07:58:56] <bbjimmy> The package command line tool shopuld work.[07:59:00] <PulkoMandy> it works[07:59:08] <PulkoMandy> but it can't guess the dependencies for you[07:59:30] <bbjimmy> My stuff doesn't have dependancies.[07:59:47] <PulkoMandy> well then it works[07:59:52] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[08:00:00] <bbjimmy> But I need to place files in read-write directories for the user.[08:00:22] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[08:00:40] <PulkoMandy> yes, there is support for that, it's called global_writable_files[08:00:44] <bbjimmy> maybe I need ti place an installer in an hpkg?[08:01:01] <bbjimmy> not in the package tool, it can;t do that.[08:01:47] <PulkoMandy> of course it does[08:01:51] <PulkoMandy> https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagement/BuildingPackages[08:01:52] <bbjimmy> It dioesn't understand global_writabnle_files / directoruied ...[08:02:00] <PulkoMandy> global-writable-files: A list of global writable file infos. The list elements must have the following format:[08:02:01] <PulkoMandy> global_writable_file_info: ::= path [ "directory" ] [ "keep-old" | "manual" | "auto-merge" ][08:02:10] <PulkoMandy> this is what haikuporter uses[08:02:18] <PulkoMandy> there isn't any black magic going on, and it works[08:02:26] <PulkoMandy> if it don't, report a bug[08:02:30] <bbjimmy> the command line tool borks only haikuporter does this.[08:02:37] <PulkoMandy> (how many times must I repeat this to get a bugreport !!?)[08:02:59] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[08:04:18] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[08:04:41] *** tqh has quit IRC[08:13:48] <OmniMancer> doesn't most of this stuff go in a package info file?[08:14:29] <PulkoMandy> yes, .PackageInfo inside the package[08:14:32] <bbjimmy> PulkoMandy https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10513[08:15:12] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[08:15:28] <OmniMancer> and the package tool is effectively a zip command line tool for putting files into packages yes?[08:15:29] <Diver> bbjimmy: I think you should attach your .PackageInfo[08:17:30] <PulkoMandy> yes, please[08:17:53] <bbjimmy> I went back, and used a different .PaclkageInfo file and added the directive to get the error. What I need to do is place read/write files in /boot/apps for the program to use.[08:18:01] <PulkoMandy> the entry name is global-writable-files, not global-writable-file-info[08:18:26] <bbjimmy> That is not whjat the documentation saus.[08:18:35] <bbjimmy> global_writable_file_info:::= path [ "directory" ] [ "keep-old" | "manual" |[08:18:38] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:18:50] <PulkoMandy> that's syntax description stuff[08:18:57] <PulkoMandy> but yes, we need examples there, I'll add some[08:19:24] <bbjimmy> indeed. the directive must be exave: IE global_writable_file_info[08:19:33] <bbjimmy> exact[08:21:07] <bbjimmy> I read TFM and still got it wrong?[08:21:26] <bbjimmy> Then the manual is wrong.[08:22:32] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[08:23:14] <PulkoMandy> these are not examples, these are a syntax language for describing what to write[08:23:21] <PulkoMandy> we just need to add actual examples[08:23:21] <bbjimmy> What is the actual command then?[08:23:39] <Diver> PulkoMandy: btw, do you know what should I do in .PackageInfo to get a file to appear in ~/config/settings dir?[08:24:13] <Diver> can't figure it out of from the manual :/[08:25:02] <bbjimmy> add a dir named settings and packave add pacakgename.hpkg settings[08:25:18] <bbjimmy> doesn't seem to work for me thjough.[08:26:08] <bbjimmy> maybe need another one of those directives that are so poorly documented.[08:26:11] <OmniMancer> where are these docs?[08:26:16] <OmniMancer> it did look like BNF[08:26:19] <Diver> I want to be able to drop this package in /system[08:26:52] <Diver> and I don't need this file to end in /system/settings[08:26:52] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: global-writable-files { "settings/default/distcc" keep-old "settings/distcc/hosts" keep-old "settings/distcc/clients.allow" keep-old "settings/distcc/commands.allow.sh" keep-old }[08:27:00] <PulkoMandy> that's an example[08:27:05] <PulkoMandy> I'm adding this to the wiki page[08:27:24] <bbjimmy> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagement/BuildingPackages[08:28:42] <bbjimmy> Why does it say "global_writable_file_info:"[08:28:54] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: if you notice the line under the heading global-writable-files is a EBNF grammar of how to write the value list for that attribute[08:29:05] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: because it is a rule name in a grammar[08:29:17] <bbjimmy> ??[08:29:28] <OmniMancer> if you notice above it there is the actual name of the attribute you need[08:29:28] <bbjimmy> you are talking greek[08:29:43] *** gramas has joined #haiku[08:29:47] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: a grammar is a formalism for how a language is written[08:31:20] <bbjimmy> I know that, but the grammer should start with the directive IE... copy filetobecopied destination[08:31:51] <OmniMancer> the grammar is for what to put inside the {} of the attributes value list[08:32:04] <bbjimmy> this way one does not asume filetonecopied is the directive.[08:32:49] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: out of interest are all of those grammar rules actually from a full grammar for .PackageInfo and if so where is this grammar?[08:33:18] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[08:33:55] <bbjimmy> should be " directive { attributes ... } not attribes .. with no directive for the attributes included in the syntax info.[08:34:14] <OmniMancer> the grammar is[08:34:45] <OmniMancer> package_info ::= attribute*[08:34:45] <OmniMancer> attribute ::= name value_list[08:34:45] <OmniMancer> value_list ::= value | ( "{" value* "}" )[08:34:45] <OmniMancer> value ::= value_item+ ( '\n' | ';' )[08:35:28] <bbjimmy> but these need to be relayted tio the directive or all is for naught[08:35:37] <OmniMancer> then the global_writable_file_info rule says what value is for that attribute[08:35:37] <bbjimmy> related[08:35:58] <PulkoMandy> I added an example to the wiki page[08:36:25] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: is there a full grammar available somewherE?[08:36:29] <PulkoMandy> no idea[08:36:49] <bbjimmy> It should have been " global_writabler_file = path [ "directory" ] [ "keep-old" | "manual" | "auto-merge" ][08:37:01] <bbjimmy> no?[08:37:11] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: no[08:37:18] <OmniMancer> the name there has no bearing on the attribute[08:37:19] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[08:37:23] <OmniMancer> its a name for a rule in the grammar[08:37:33] <OmniMancer> it serves only for description purposes[08:38:35] <bbjimmy> info on cp copmmand:[08:38:39] <bbjimmy> cp [OPTION]... [-T] SOURCE DEST[08:38:40] <bbjimmy> or: cp [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY[08:38:40] <bbjimmy> or: cp [OPTION]... -t DIRECTORY SOURCE...[08:38:41] <bbjimmy> Copy SOURCE to DEST, or multiple SOURCE(s) to DIRECTORY.[08:38:46] <OmniMancer> what it means is that global_writeable_file_info is of the form, path optionally followed by the word directory which is optionally followed by one of keep-old manual auto-merge[08:38:56] <bbjimmy> notice all the uses of cp ?[08:39:06] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Backus%E2%80%93Naur_Form[08:41:07] <OmniMancer> that line does not give an example of anything, it gives the rules by which a valid entry for global-writable-files is constructed[08:42:27] <OmniMancer> someone should probably write a full grammar for those files in one big lump though, because that eliminates much of the confusion[08:44:55] <bbjimmy> "settings/example/configurationFile" keep-old does not look like it keeps to the format.[08:45:27] <OmniMancer> you don't understand how to read the format then[08:46:15] <bbjimmy> obviously, wich either means it is poorly documented or poorly constructed.[08:46:32] <OmniMancer> it means you do not understand how to read formal grammars[08:47:25] <bbjimmy> I have been programming tor 35 years, I think I can read a formal grammer.[08:48:05] <OmniMancer> so what about that line doesn't look like it matches the format?[08:48:26] <bbjimmy> settings/example/configurationFile" keep-old[08:48:45] <OmniMancer> yes what doesn't look like it obeys the format?[08:49:00] <OmniMancer> it is a path[08:49:05] *** vostro has joined #haiku[08:49:09] <OmniMancer> followed by keep-old[08:50:06] <bbjimmy> infoaboutthefile = pathtofile [directory] [ "keep-old" | "manual" | "auto-merge" ][08:50:37] <bbjimmy> is settings a path? pr info about the file?[08:50:42] <OmniMancer> You have still not explained how that line does not obey the grammar?[08:50:43] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[08:51:35] <PulkoMandy> yes, settings is a path[08:51:39] <bbjimmy> whrere is the info_about_the_file ?[08:51:52] <PulkoMandy> read the spec for path up above, they are relative to the package mount point[08:52:04] <PulkoMandy> and info_about_the_file is only the NAME of the rule[08:52:08] <OmniMancer> bbjimmy: you don't understand how a grammar works :/[08:52:09] <PulkoMandy> it's not part of it, it's just a name[08:52:27] <OmniMancer> the grammar is NOT a verbatim example of something in the language[08:52:40] <OmniMancer> it is a description of how the language is put together[08:52:52] <OmniMancer> the thing on the left of the ::= is the rule name[08:53:02] <OmniMancer> the things on the right of it are the construction of that rule[08:53:52] <bbjimmy> thenb take out global_writable_file_info as it is not used, only global-writable-files is used.[08:54:05] <OmniMancer> :/[08:54:27] <bbjimmy> make it readable,[08:54:39] *** kneekoo has joined #haiku[08:55:02] <OmniMancer> the only thing unreadable about it is that it is not clear that global_writeable_file_info is one of the possible values[08:55:10] <bbjimmy> This is adding to the barrier to entrty for developing for haiku.[08:56:28] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[08:57:34] <bbjimmy> it is not in brackets, it looks like the directive that the following attrinbutes refer to[08:58:23] <PulkoMandy> we use the standard grammar syntax for this, which is name ::= syntax, and has been for years[08:58:35] <bbjimmy> lobal_writeable_file_info is one of the possible values ? what does this mean?[08:59:22] <bbjimmy> just because you use it doesn't mean it communicates.[08:59:31] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[08:59:46] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[09:00:17] <bbjimmy> I still do not know how to use this directive :/ ... off to sleep.[09:01:24] <PulkoMandy> I added an example below :/[09:04:05] <bbjimmy> And with this one can place read/write files in settings/example/configurationFile[09:05:22] <bbjimmy> if this was a directory that is and had the directory attribute set?[09:06:47] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:06:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:06:56] <bbjimmy> I need "path_to_directory" directory" "keep-old"[09:07:50] <PulkoMandy> yes[09:12:30] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[09:12:33] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[09:13:05] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[09:16:56] *** rimio has joined #haiku[09:28:24] *** axeld has joined #haiku[09:28:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[09:29:42] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[09:31:41] *** poxip has joined #haiku[09:32:58] *** alvin__ has joined #haiku[09:35:31] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[09:51:06] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[09:51:14] <stippi> Hey PulkoMandy[09:51:20] <PulkoMandy> hi[09:51:20] <stippi> Making progress?[09:51:26] <PulkoMandy> yes :)[09:51:40] <PulkoMandy> there are some glitches still[09:51:53] <stippi> That's good to hear. Have Jerômé's commits been helping?[09:52:16] <PulkoMandy> yes, I have the gcc side in working state for now[09:52:29] <PulkoMandy> playing with the clipping again[09:52:34] <stippi> So the glitches are with the clipping, ah...[09:52:41] <PulkoMandy> yes[09:52:58] <PulkoMandy> I now have www.haiku-os.org menu gradients rendering as expected[09:53:05] <stippi> I noticed in the app_server code that it specifically scales a local clipping region, and offests it by origin.[09:53:15] <PulkoMandy> but, when fast scrolling with pageup/pagedown, the text isn't drawn above them[09:53:44] <PulkoMandy> whatif.xkcd.com (clipping a bitmap) works fine[09:53:51] <stippi> And that worked before?[09:54:17] <PulkoMandy> haiku-os.org didn't have the gradient before[09:54:22] <stippi> Nice.[09:54:23] <PulkoMandy> (the border drawing would erase it)[09:54:29] <PulkoMandy> but the text worked :)[09:54:55] <PulkoMandy> dev.haiku-os.org still doesn't draw properly, and haikuports.org also fails to show the text on the main page[09:55:01] <PulkoMandy> so, needs some more tweaking[09:55:03] <stippi> I noticed some problems with transformations.[09:55:24] <PulkoMandy> I'm a bit confused by the 6 or 7 different methods WebKit GraphicsContext has for clipping[09:55:38] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure we are implementing them all correctly[09:56:02] <stippi> The problem is that in DrawingEngine, there are checks for each drawing command whether the drawing would be clipped completely. And that doesn't account for the new view transformation stuff, which may actually cause those graphics to be within the clipping region...[09:56:10] <PulkoMandy> and, if I read the code for other implementations correctly, they always restrict the clipping region, and never replace it[09:57:19] <stippi> Are there some clipping related tests that you could look at?[09:57:56] <PulkoMandy> probably, but I don't know where they are[09:58:26] <stippi> hehe[09:58:26] *** TimKack_ has joined #haiku[09:58:39] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure there are tests that directly call into GraphicsContext, the problems I have are with roundrects and css stuff[09:59:00] <PulkoMandy> I can run the ones for canvas clipping, but this isn't the same codepath so I'm not sure it will help[10:02:36] *** Miyu has quit IRC[10:03:06] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[10:04:34] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[10:05:48] <PulkoMandy> maybe it's time I do some testsuite work again[10:06:14] <PulkoMandy> I ran it earlier this week and got only 4000 passing tests, but I think this is mostly because of the stack alignment problems[10:06:21] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[10:06:27] <PulkoMandy> the problem is this takes hours to run[10:13:04] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[10:15:48] *** iMe is now known as iMe_away[10:15:51] *** [lewellyn] has quit IRC[10:16:58] <PulkoMandy> stippi: so, in WebKit I need to restrict the clipping mask with several calls to clipToPicture[10:17:35] <PulkoMandy> using PushState would be a bit annoying because I would have to keep track of the nesting to pop them[10:18:23] <PulkoMandy> is it possible to draw the new clipping picture using the existing clipping? or is there another way to do that?[10:37:35] *** orealis has joined #haiku[10:43:46] *** TimKack_ has quit IRC[10:47:55] *** lewellyn has joined #haiku[10:53:57] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[11:03:48] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[11:04:56] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[11:06:23] *** puckipedia|away is now known as 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files on my r1a4.i partition[18:23:00] <bbjimmy> r1a4.1[18:23:25] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[18:23:44] <bbjimmy> attempting to add writable directory to a package. never should have touched that disk.[18:24:14] <tidux> ouch[18:24:48] <bbjimmy> never did get it tio add the writable directory either.[18:25:37] <puckipedia> Well, did you choose / as writable directory?[18:25:41] <tidux> lol[18:25:43] <bbjimmy> At least I keep most of my data on a separate partition that wasn't mounted at the time.[18:26:05] <bbjimmy> I am attempting to use /boot/apps[18:26:27] <puckipedia> Just use apps as writable directory, although that should be static[18:27:03] <puckipedia> It´s relative to the package root, which is /boot or ~/config (usually)[18:27:18] <bbjimmy> attempting /boot/apps/myprogram/writabledirectory[18:27:44] <PulkoMandy> /boot/apps can't be in a package[18:27:56] <PulkoMandy> packages go in /boot/system or /boot/home/config[18:28:06] <bbjimmy> yes ... ../../apps/[18:28:09] <irker-511> haiku.master: korli * hrev46835 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7c1acc8+%5E5650144[18:28:09] <PulkoMandy> if you want to distribute something that goes in /boot/apps, do a zipfile like you always did[18:28:09] <irker-511> 7c1acc8: x86_64: align malloc() allocations on 16 bytes.[18:28:37] <bbjimmy> this is for /boot/home/config[18:30:16] <bbjimmy> I have never done an "extract to boot" zip file[18:30:35] <PulkoMandy> I didn't tell you to do that[18:30:58] <PulkoMandy> "extract to /boot/apps, or anywhere you want" is what I had in mind[18:32:11] *** DrCode has quit IRC[18:32:30] <bbjimmy> I have several independent .hpkg in mind. yab, yab_source, and yab_devel they need to know where the other package is placed.[18:32:37] <irker-511> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev46836 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c45fe1f+%5E7c1acc8[18:32:37] <irker-511> c45fe1f: PackageInstaller: Dynamically replace /boot/system with the system non-packaged dir, same with ~/config[18:34:09] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: maybe it would be better to use the .self links[18:34:31] <PulkoMandy> look in /boot/system/package-links/[18:34:34] <bbjimmy> yab goes in /boot/config/bin, but the ide and buildfactory need to be installed in relative folders.[18:34:39] *** slubman has joined #haiku[18:34:57] <PulkoMandy> use the package-links, there you get one folder for each package, with the dependencies available inside[18:34:58] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[18:35:11] <bbjimmy> aned need to be read/writable[18:35:20] *** umccullough has left #haiku[18:35:39] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[18:38:47] <bbjimmy> This keeps getting harder all the time. maybe I'll end up with a zip and installer.[18:39:24] <bbjimmy> what a mess[18:40:14] * bbjimmy starts the download for 41a4.1 to replace my deleted partition[18:40:36] <tidux> why use r1a4.1 at all for development now that PM exists?[18:41:01] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[18:41:28] *** DrCode has quit 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I get soooo mad at my computer when it won't let me do what I dneed to do.[18:42:13] <bbjimmy> Right now, I am sorry I installed PM on any partition.[18:42:23] <tidux> weird, that's exactly why I *don't* use the alphas anymore[18:42:29] <tidux> they're just completely inferior in many ways[18:45:11] <bbjimmy> my inferior install never deleted all the files on another partition by placing a file in a directory.[18:45:38] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[18:45:39] <tidux> PEBCAK[18:46:16] <bbjimmy> I moved an .hpkg into ~/config/packages and it deleted every file on another partition![18:46:50] <tidux> that's because PEBCAK[18:47:05] <bbjimmy> ??[18:47:06] <tidux> if you had an MSI that deleted %SYSTEMROOT% it might do the same thing[18:47:16] <tidux> Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard[18:47:29] <PulkoMandy> well if that's really the only thing you did, there probably is a problem in the package stuff, it shouldn't delete stuff anywhere[18:47:34] <PulkoMandy> I'm not even sure it can[18:47:50] <tidux> it probably overwrote a real file with a symlink[18:49:03] <bbjimmy> I moved my yab_source .hpkg into the package folder and the disk started going ... there, I thought I finally have it, it is moving the source where it needs to be.[18:49:23] <PulkoMandy> hpkg doesn't move anything[18:49:40] <bbjimmy> then it said it couldn't open the directoru "/boot/apps"[18:50:00] <bbjimmy> then all the files on my other partition were deleted.[18:50:37] <PulkoMandy> well, as tidux says, you probably have something pointing out of the package mountpoint in your package, which is something we never tested[18:50:37] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[18:50:44] <bbjimmy> what does it do then, to get read/writable files?[18:50:44] <gordonjcp> right[18:51:01] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: global_writable_files, INSIDE the package area[18:51:10] <PulkoMandy> you can't install files anywhere else with a package[18:51:21] <PulkoMandy> have your app copy them on first start if you need that[18:51:44] <bbjimmy> I could live with that If irt worked, maybe /config/apps?[18:52:17] <PulkoMandy> that depends where you mount the package[18:52:49] <PulkoMandy> well, all I know is I did a recipe for distcc and it worked there[18:52:53] <PulkoMandy> but I used haikuporter[18:53:06] <bbjimmy> have your app copy them on first start if you need that .... sounds like an installer to me.[18:53:07] <PulkoMandy> you don't want to use that, apparently, so you're a bit on your own messing with the low-level stuff[18:53:27] <PulkoMandy> do an installer if you wish so, I don't care[18:53:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:54:05] *** epigraph has quit IRC[18:54:07] <tidux> so I've been going crazy with porting a bunch of different stuff to Haiku[18:54:22] <tidux> right now it's all sitting in config/non-packaged/ but I guess I can whip up some haikuporter recipes for them[18:54:50] <bbjimmy> I was looking for how web+ gets the bookmarks on the disk, not in the .PackageInfo file. :([18:55:13] <tidux> Tin, OfflineImap, sSMTP, and Mutt are the highlights[18:55:20] <tidux> I finally have a proper email system on Haiku :D[18:55:21] <PulkoMandy> the bookmarks aren't in Web+ package[18:56:21] <bbjimmy> there is no bookmarks package, and there are default bookmarks in Web+, how did they get there?[18:56:30] <tidux> ＩＴ’Ｓ ＦＵＣＫＩＮ’ ＭＡＧＩＣ！ Ｉ ＡＩＮ’Ｔ ＧＯＴＴＡ ＥＸＰＬＡＩＮ ＳＨＩＴ！[18:56:30] <tidux> (ノﾟοﾟ)ノﾐ★゜・。。・゜゜・。。・゜☆゜・。。・゜゜・。。・゜゜・。。・゜☆゜・。。・゜゜・。。・゜[18:56:38] <tidux> I kid, I kid[18:56:41] <tidux> bye now[18:56:44] *** tidux has left #haiku[18:57:04] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[18:57:26] *** luroh has quit IRC[18:57:48] <bbjimmy> If I knew the answer to this, my problem would be solved.[18:57:52] *** DrCode has quit IRC[18:59:08] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:59:33] <gordonjcp> can lpe or paladin or something do tabbed editing windows?[19:00:26] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[19:00:56] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[19:01:22] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[19:02:14] <bbjimmy> stack your document windows, now you have tabs[19:02:54] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:04:17] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:07:30] *** DrCode has quit IRC[19:08:53] <gordonjcp> W+ is working well today[19:09:01] <gordonjcp> nearly six minutes without a lockup![19:10:54] <Skipp_OSX> progress![19:13:08] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:15:11] *** comrad has joined #haiku[19:15:19] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[19:17:13] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:18:01] * gordonjcp hacks[19:28:45] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[19:33:35] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[19:34:25] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[19:35:17] *** Miyu has quit IRC[19:40:57] <gordonjcp> yeah, it's going well[19:40:59] <gordonjcp> hackkitten: maw[19:45:08] <PulkoMandy> the lockups are fixed yes[19:45:18] <PulkoMandy> but the next version will introduce new crashes :/[19:45:25] *** irker-511 has quit IRC[19:45:52] *** hamishm__ is now known as hamishm[19:45:58] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: hehehe[19:46:22] <PulkoMandy> I have www.haiku-os.org rendering correctly, but gmail crashes now[19:46:41] <PulkoMandy> I'll have to disable/enable some of the JS engines again...[19:46:52] <gordonjcp> trac looks a bit funny[19:47:09] <PulkoMandy> yes, I thought this clipping stuff would fix it[19:47:20] <PulkoMandy> but either it doesn't, or I didn't implement everything[19:47:20] <gordonjcp> while you're here[19:47:27] <gordonjcp> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9426[19:47:48] <gordonjcp> would that "Enable notifications" checkbox only take effect when "Apply" is clicked?[19:48:10] <PulkoMandy> there is an "Apply" button?[19:48:33] <gordonjcp> yup[19:48:38] <gordonjcp> in the Notifications preflet[19:48:41] <PulkoMandy> all other preflets use "Defaults"/"Revert" and apply everything on the fly[19:48:55] * gordonjcp pokes[19:49:38] <gordonjcp> okay, so it should do that then?[19:49:41] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: the bookmarks for web+ come from a separate zip file, that's extracted to the image by the Haiku build system[19:50:05] *** HubertX4 has quit IRC[19:50:12] <PulkoMandy> gordonjcp: I guess so, and the apply button should be removed - but that can wait for another day[19:50:21] <gordonjcp> sod it, I'm in there now...[19:50:33] <gordonjcp> also the buttons want to go on the left[19:55:52] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:01:06] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[20:01:52] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:02:21] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:05:27] *** HubertX4 has joined #haiku[20:05:39] <HubertX4> re[20:06:55] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[20:08:25] <gordonjcp> HubertX4: lo[20:08:55] <HubertX4> lo?[20:10:02] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[20:10:50] *** kcj has joined #haiku[20:11:36] <HubertX4> gordonjcp[20:12:31] <gordonjcp> HubertX4: hi[20:12:41] <HubertX4> hej ;)[20:13:02] <HubertX4> where You from?[20:13:12] <gordonjcp> me? Scotland[20:17:45] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[20:18:41] <HubertX4> yes, You ;) aha[20:19:10] *** umccullough has left #haiku[20:19:47] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: does the Defaults button apply to the whole preflet, or just the current tab?[20:19:55] <HubertX4> lot of people use BeOS/Haiku/Zeta in GB?[20:20:16] <HubertX4> gordonjcp[20:20:34] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[20:20:37] <gordonjcp> HubertX4: no idea[20:21:29] <HubertX4> any friends or friends with scotland/GB net?[20:22:16] <gordonjcp> I'm not sure what that question means[20:28:05] <HubertX4> number of users[20:29:44] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[20:30:20] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[20:32:16] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[20:33:01] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:33:08] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[20:38:55] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[20:39:00] *** axeld has quit IRC[20:42:30] *** axeld has joined #haiku[20:42:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:43:48] <HubertX4> gordonjcp[20:44:35] *** poxip has joined #haiku[20:45:54] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[20:46:42] <gordonjcp> HubertX4: Haiku users? Not really, I don't know anyone around here that uses it apart from me[20:47:28] <Anarchos> gordonjcp i use haiku :)[20:47:29] <HubertX4> ok, and BeOS from previous years?[20:47:38] <HubertX4> he he[20:47:38] <Anarchos> i used beos too[20:47:45] <HubertX4> omg[20:48:01] <Anarchos> i still have my R4 R4.5 and R5 disks :)[20:48:07] <HubertX4> BeOS in 2014 hardcore ;)[20:48:29] <HubertX4> disc but you are not user now ;|)[20:50:13] *** morten77 has left #haiku[20:50:24] <Anarchos> HubertX4 no cause i switched to haiku[20:51:08] <HubertX4> ok[20:51:37] <gordonjcp> Anarchos: where are you?[20:51:53] <Anarchos> gordonjcp in france, why ?[20:52:01] <gordonjcp> Anarchos: aha, not especially near me then ;-)[20:52:13] <Anarchos> gordonjcp if you need code, i have a DSL connection ;)[20:52:51] <gordonjcp> Anarchos: no, HubertX4 was asking if there are many Haiku users in Scotland (I think)[20:52:59] <gordonjcp> can't be *just me* though...?[20:53:09] <gordonjcp> ls[20:53:13] <gordonjcp> bah :-)[20:53:51] <Anarchos> gordonjcp well i live in a celtic part of france[20:54:01] <Anarchos> i don't know if it makes me near scotland ;)[20:55:23] <gordonjcp> hrm[20:55:33] <gordonjcp> should settings files have spaces or underscores, there seems to be a mix[20:59:23] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[21:00:47] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[21:05:56] *** js|haiku has joined #haiku[21:08:20] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[21:09:22] *** js|haiku has quit IRC[21:09:54] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[21:14:21] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[21:23:12] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[21:23:17] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:25:06] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[21:26:28] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[21:26:40] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[21:27:53] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[21:39:09] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:44:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:44:03] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[21:51:50] <gordonjcp> how do I get stuff to build with debug flags enabled?[21:52:08] <gordonjcp> I thought maybe "jam -sDEBUG=1 <target>" might do it but apparently not[21:53:02] <jua_> take a look at build/jam/UserBuildConfig.ReadMe[21:53:15] <jua_> you basically set a rule in UserBuildConfig to enable debug for a specific subdirectory[21:54:34] <gordonjcp> but I don't want it to be a debug build every time[22:01:39] <gordonjcp> nope, no debug information[22:03:07] <Anarchos> gordonjcp if everythging fails, you can set an alias : « alias gcc "gcc -g" »[22:03:41] <jua_> the debug-built binaries are put into the subdirectory "debug", not "release" in the generated-dir[22:03:55] <gordonjcp> jua_: oh, right, that would help eh[22:04:40] <gordonjcp> so do I need to create the directory debug?[22:05:08] <jua_> nah, it's created automatically when you activated it in the UserBuildConfig[22:05:16] <gordonjcp> okay, then it isn't working[22:05:52] <jua_> i.e. normally things would go to generated/objects/haiku/x86_gcc2/release, with debug they go to generated/objects/haiku/x86_gcc2/debug[22:06:05] <gordonjcp> right, but the latter path does not exist[22:06:30] <jua_> did you create the UserBuildConfig file inside build/jam ?[22:06:37] <jua_> and then inside you'd put something like[22:06:58] <jua_> SetConfigVar DEBUG : HAIKU_TOP src apps something : 1 : global ;[22:07:02] <gordonjcp> I don't really understand UserBuildConfig and I'd prefer not to use it[22:07:27] <gordonjcp> it's a whole undocumented can of worms[22:07:37] <jua_> just create an empty text file, you only need to put into it those things you want to set[22:07:46] <jua_> and it's not undocumented, there's UserBuildCOnfig.Readme and .sample :P[22:07:58] <gordonjcp> jua_: they don't make a whole lot of sense to me[22:08:58] <gordonjcp> I'll try and translate them, again[22:10:38] <gordonjcp> although jam -sDEBUG now puts it in the debug directory[22:11:44] *** slubman has quit IRC[22:11:58] *** slubman has joined #haiku[22:12:44] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[22:13:06] *** paul0 has quit IRC[22:13:19] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[22:13:28] <gordonjcp> still doesn't have any debug info though[22:13:57] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[22:17:38] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[22:17:41] <pemdp> Hello[22:19:32] <gordonjcp> okay, it compiles in a path called debug_1 but it has no debugging info[22:19:43] <gordonjcp> how do I get jam to actually compile stuff with debugging info?[22:19:50] <MrSunshine> this "ClipToPicture" what is that? =)[22:21:55] <HubertX4> gordonjcp: right, and I waiting of answer[22:22:46] <gordonjcp> I don't even know if it's reading UserBuildConfig[22:22:53] <gordonjcp> this jam stuff is just shite[22:23:05] <gordonjcp> buggy, undocumented shite[22:23:13] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:23:48] <jua_> UserBuildConfig works fine for me.[22:23:56] <gordonjcp> jua_: okay, so how do you test it?[22:24:13] <jua_> test what?[22:24:21] <gordonjcp> that UserBuildConfig is working?[22:24:29] <jua_> well, it does the things I specify in it :P[22:24:36] <jua_> e.g. enabling the debug for a subdirectory[22:24:46] *** DrCode has quit IRC[22:24:53] <gordonjcp> okay, so is there something I can do to determine if the file is being read at all?[22:25:12] <jua_> put some garbage in there, it should fail to build then[22:25:16] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:25:36] <gordonjcp> yup, it gives a warning[22:27:45] <gordonjcp> okay command-line gdb works[22:27:56] <gordonjcp> so the debugger is just not working out where to pick up source from[22:29:53] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[22:37:16] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:48:03] *** comrad has quit IRC[23:07:46] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:09:48] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[23:10:11] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[23:13:16] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[23:18:16] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[23:18:17] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[23:22:58] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[23:28:37] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[23:35:08] *** HubertX4 has quit IRC[23:42:26] *** Gedrin has joined #haiku[23:44:50] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[23:46:59] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[23:51:56] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[23:53:03] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku