February 6, 2014 
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February 6, 2014 [00:00:29] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[00:01:03] *** tidux has joined #haiku[00:01:56] *** yano has joined #haiku[00:01:59] *** sarid has quit IRC[00:06:13] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[00:06:26] <FreeFull> Back onto linux[00:07:01] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[00:07:37] *** sarid has joined #haiku[00:07:42] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[00:14:06] *** TimKack has quit IRC[00:15:26] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[00:17:52] *** Goggen has joined #haiku[00:18:30] <Goggen> Hello. How is progress on getting Youtube in webkit?[00:18:55] <Goggen> Is UberTuber still the best way?[00:25:04] <Goggen> Or is this still far down on the list of priorities?[00:29:00] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[00:39:35] *** kneekoo has quit IRC[00:40:10] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[00:42:09] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[00:48:40] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:50:27] *** jua_ has quit IRC[01:00:31] <tidux> Goggen: install youtube-dl from Haikuports and open the video files in MediaPlayer[01:00:59] <FreeFull> UberTuber probably is better than youtube-dl[01:01:13] <umccullough> i think they're related[01:01:28] <umccullough> iirc, youtube-dl uses ubertuber[01:02:35] <tidux> probably the other way around :P[01:02:43] <tidux> since youtube-dl is a python script[01:02:47] <umccullough> oh[01:02:55] <Goggen> Still no support for video-in-browser, as in Firefox?[01:03:06] <umccullough> no html5 video support[01:03:07] <Goggen> Any plans to make this?[01:03:10] <umccullough> yes[01:03:17] <FreeFull> Used to be support with gnash, but that doesn't work anymore[01:03:27] <Goggen> Has gnash ever worked?[01:03:33] <umccullough> not well[01:03:50] <umccullough> web+ doesn't support plugins yet either[01:04:03] <umccullough> and may not, i dunno[01:04:55] <Goggen> Are you working on proper youtube in browser? When can it be working?[01:05:05] <umccullough> that would be html5 video support[01:05:16] <umccullough> when, i can't answer[01:05:29] <Goggen> Right. No flash support ever. Flash is dead..?[01:05:38] <umccullough> imo, yes ;)[01:05:41] <Goggen> Will not be missed.[01:05:44] <tidux> Adobe is killing Flash[01:05:55] <tidux> it's already EOL'd on Android and getting security updates only on GNU/Linux[01:05:56] <Goggen> Pity about all those old flash games though.[01:06:05] <umccullough> who knows, maybe some flash plugin will be created, based on swfdec or something[01:06:07] <tidux> Google has a source license so they'll keep shipping it in Chrome on every platform[01:06:23] <tidux> so if Adobe ever permakills Flash maybe they'll let Google open source it[01:06:25] <mmu_man> Flash is not part of the web anyway[01:06:30] <tidux> ^[01:06:37] <FreeFull> Not all youtube videos are viewable with html5[01:06:42] <FreeFull> The ones with ads aren't[01:06:46] <tidux> they're all viewable with youtube-dl ;)[01:06:50] <FreeFull> True[01:07:00] <umccullough> FreeFull, i think it's just a matter of time before google changes that[01:07:06] <tidux> and as an adblock edge user I've never seen ads on youtube except on other people's computers[01:07:11] <FreeFull> If one cares enough, once there is plugin support a plugin specifically for youtube could be made[01:07:39] <tidux> and if someone ports the weird, patched version of WINE it uses, you could even port Pipelight to watch Silverlight videos[01:07:53] <mmu_man> FreeFull: actually I didn't find any video not requiring me to download the file for at least 6 months[01:08:11] <mmu_man> it's a shame google pushed for webm and don't even use it themselves[01:09:48] <Goggen> Are there guest additions for virtual machines now? I used to struggle with screen resolution, and needed "drivers" which did not exist.[01:11:08] <mmu_man> I'm working on the vbox ones[01:11:25] <mmu_man> but for the resolution you can add custom modes to virtualbox[01:11:46] <Goggen> What does that mean?[01:12:11] <mmu_man> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/haikuhrevr1alpha444576_virtualbox_vboxmanage_setextradata_haiku_customvideomode1[01:12:17] <mmu_man> VBoxManage setextradata "Haiku4" "CustomVideoMode1" "1366x768x32"[01:12:48] <tidux> Goggen: use KVM/QEMU with the -vga vmware parameter, or use VMWare.[01:12:54] <mmu_man> this adds a mode to virtualbox that you can use in Haiku[01:12:57] <tidux> Haiku's supported the VMWare GPU for at least three years[01:13:33] <scanty> is gprof broken in haiku, i keep getting undefined symbols to _mcount.[01:13:57] <Goggen> OK. It´s been such a long time since I have done this, I don´t even remember which software I used :-P[01:14:09] <mmu_man> scanty: hmm I think this mcount stuff is optional[01:14:17] <mmu_man> at least in BeOS one had to replace libroot[01:14:21] <tidux> gcc vs. gcc3 ABI error?[01:14:27] <scanty> well, it's throwing linker errors.[01:14:32] <scanty> despite linking with -pg[01:14:48] <scanty> it's gcc 4.7.1[01:14:59] <scanty> x86[01:42:40] *** bosii has joined #haiku[01:46:06] <tidux> why did sound stop working? it worked six hours ago on this install...[01:46:31] <umccullough> could be anything[01:46:51] <umccullough> you tried a reboot i assume?[01:47:06] <umccullough> also try cold reboot (power off completely)[01:47:36] <umccullough> and if that still doesn't work - i've found that booting into another OS like windows or linux, and then rebooting to haiku can sometimes reset hardware[01:48:54] <tidux> I don't want to reboot right now, I'm in the middle of compiling nmap[01:49:03] <tidux> but I'll give it a shot when this build finishes[01:50:14] <umccullough> what hardware out of curiosity? hda?[01:50:52] <tidux> yeah[01:50:54] <tidux> Conexant[01:50:59] <scanty> can haiku boot off a second partition yet?[01:51:06] <scanty> or second drive.[01:53:40] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[01:54:20] <umccullough> haiku can boot off any partition[01:54:31] <umccullough> second drive thing - i think that was a bootman problem, not a haiku problem[01:55:02] <umccullough> IOW, i think if chainloaded from grub, haiku can boot from a second drive just fine - but i can't verify that[01:55:57] <umccullough> i've booted haiku off extended partitions too without trouble - there was a problem at one point preventing it from booting from a partition that was beyond the LBA48 range[01:56:06] <umccullough> i think it was resolved[01:56:25] <tidux> alright, I've rebooted[01:56:29] <tidux> still doesn't work :/[01:56:34] <umccullough> cold boot?[01:56:41] <tidux> cold boot[01:56:56] <tidux> although not literally cold, the machine was still pretty warm[01:56:57] <umccullough> i recommend booting into another OS then and then back to haiku[01:57:05] <umccullough> well, cold as in, powered off ;)[01:57:08] <tidux> I'm single booting believe it or not[01:57:13] <umccullough> heh[01:57:15] <umccullough> find a livecd![01:57:16] <tidux> I'll have to go home and get a USB stick to boot knoppix or something[01:57:21] <tidux> I'm at a coffee shop now[01:57:34] <umccullough> if that still doesn't fix it, then i have no clue[01:57:57] <tidux> I think it would, when I was booting back and forth between Fedora and the installer sound worked[01:58:00] <umccullough> i assume you were using wifi?[01:58:09] <tidux> WPA2[01:58:16] <tidux> that doesn't have any effect on the sound, though[01:58:19] <umccullough> was the sound working even with wifi?[01:58:20] <tidux> worked fine over wifi before[01:58:21] <tidux> yes[01:58:22] <umccullough> ok[01:58:30] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:58:33] <tidux> ...has that really been an issue? o.0[01:58:35] <umccullough> i've run into problems with shared interrupts between wifi and sound before[01:58:44] <tidux> ah[01:58:51] <umccullough> do this, drop to kdl and type ints[01:58:56] <tidux> well the wifi's a miniPCIe card[01:59:02] <tidux> hang on, let me get another IRC client[01:59:08] <tidux> I'm ssh'ed into this from the Haiku box[01:59:12] <umccullough> and see if anything is shared with the sound driver[01:59:34] <umccullough> if yes, that might give you a hint[01:59:45] <umccullough> also, shared interrupts can occasionally change from boot to boot[02:01:37] <scanty> i want to boot off a second physical drive, but have never been able to[02:01:38] <scanty> it just hangs[02:01:51] <umccullough> using what bootloader?[02:01:56] <scanty> grub[02:02:02] *** tidux|N4 has joined #haiku[02:02:03] <umccullough> i'll give it a try later[02:02:07] <scanty> cool[02:02:16] <tidux> how do I drop to KDL?[02:02:35] <scanty> do something naughty :-)[02:02:38] <umccullough> umm... sysrq-d?[02:02:46] <umccullough> alt-sysrq-d?[02:03:10] <umccullough> if you're on a laptop, you might have to fiddle with the fn key too :([02:03:38] <umccullough> sysrq is the printscr key[02:03:49] <tidux|N4> running /bin/kernel_debugger worked[02:03:55] <umccullough> oh right[02:03:56] <umccullough> :)[02:04:04] * umccullough smacks his forehead[02:05:58] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:08:15] <tidux|N4> why is HDA such a PITA?[02:08:48] <umccullough> didn't intel design it?[02:08:55] <umccullough> ;)[02:08:59] <tidux|N4> lol[02:09:12] <umccullough> did you find shared ints?[02:09:27] <tidux|N4> no[02:09:44] <tidux|N4> but now I'm going home to try a Linux USB[02:09:52] <tidux|N4> back in a few[02:09:55] <umccullough> later[02:09:56] *** tidux|N4 has quit IRC[02:10:14] <irker-142> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev46822 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=dae266a+%5E4f57b13[02:10:14] <irker-142> 88e24cf: Revert "exfat: limit backup volume name to 11 characters"[02:10:15] <irker-142> dae266a: exfat: fix problems with hrev46820[02:21:12] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[02:28:36] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[02:30:27] *** bosii has quit IRC[02:36:06] <irker-142> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev46823 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=48fcadd+%5Edae266a[02:36:06] <irker-142> 3ba171a: exfat: small correction in comment, name not _name[02:36:07] <irker-142> 48fcadd: exfat: recheck device size is big enough to hold fs[02:47:51] <tidux> alright I'm back[02:48:22] *** subcritical has quit IRC[02:52:50] *** Goggen has quit IRC[02:55:28] *** souredfrog has joined #haiku[02:56:08] <souredfrog> Is Haiku actually used as a Desktop OS outside of hobbyists?[02:56:26] <tidux> well it's still an alpha....[02:56:37] <souredfrog> oh[02:57:13] <AlienSoldier> souredfrog it will for me[02:57:25] <souredfrog> why?[02:58:21] <AlienSoldier> because i have that weird super natural power that allow me to know where a specific OS wil be in the future, and haiku is the one that displease me the least[02:59:23] <souredfrog> Im not trolling btw Just curious[03:00:11] <AlienSoldier> in 2 word, simplicity and power for the user[03:00:47] *** epigraph has quit IRC[03:01:24] <tidux> in three words, "because it's fun"[03:01:45] <tidux> even when it occasionally derps out because Conexant HDA audio is the worst...[03:04:38] <souredfrog> Is there a list of available software?[03:07:10] <tidux> well there's a GUI package manager[03:07:13] <tidux> although it doesn't always work[03:07:22] <tidux> and there's a ports tree at http://haikuports.org/[03:07:27] <tidux> which the package manager is based on[03:07:44] <tidux> and there's http://haikuware.com/ but a lot of that software predates the package manager and is currently broken[03:08:09] <tidux> when Haiku's finished software installation will be as simple as downloading a .hpkg file and moving it to /system/packages/ .[03:08:25] <tidux> I think the default doubleclick action on a .hpkg might even be to install it[03:12:59] *** soakbot has quit IRC[03:13:14] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[03:27:53] *** souredfrog has left #haiku[03:35:09] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:35:35] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[03:40:47] <tidux> umccullough: rebooted into Linux, apparently it was muted[03:40:59] <tidux> maybe the HDA driver needs to forcibly unmute the interface at boot?[03:44:20] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[03:46:13] <umccullough> heh[03:49:45] <tidux> even PA doesn't fix the problem[03:49:54] <tidux> *PulseAudio[03:50:01] <tidux> let's see if forcibly unmuting everything in alsamixer works[03:50:32] <tidux> YUP[03:51:15] <tidux> so whatever the equivalent is (if we have one) of using alsamixer to manually unmute and max out every channel should work[03:51:24] <tidux> god, HDA sucks[03:54:05] <tidux> oh good, and headphones are autodetected and switched like normal[03:54:11] <tidux> figures it's a config/initialization issue :/[03:57:55] *** kneekoo has joined #haiku[04:00:20] <irker-142> haiku.master: pdziepak * hrev46824 [5 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a96e17b+%5E48fcadd[04:00:20] <irker-142> 771ae06: scheduler: Update priority penalty computation in debug dump[04:00:20] <irker-142> 230d1fc: scheduler: Update load of idle cores[04:00:21] <irker-142> 667b23d: scheduler: Always update core heaps after thread migration[04:00:22] <irker-142> 1da76fd: scheduler: Inherit estimated load, do not inherit assigned core[04:00:22] <irker-142> a96e17b: kernel: Adjust load tracking interval[04:01:29] <irker-142> pdziepak-github.master: [5 commits] https://github.com/pdziepak/Haiku/compare/b55c918...a96e17b[04:01:30] <irker-142> 771ae06: scheduler: Update priority penalty computation in debug dump[04:01:30] <irker-142> 230d1fc: scheduler: Update load of idle cores[04:01:31] <irker-142> 667b23d: scheduler: Always update core heaps after thread migration[04:01:31] 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kkux has quit IRC[15:57:35] *** kkux has joined #haiku[16:01:16] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:02:44] *** e1z0 has quit IRC[16:08:38] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[16:09:13] *** juser has quit IRC[16:10:39] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[16:10:39] *** axeld has joined #haiku[16:10:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[16:14:31] *** e1z0 has joined #haiku[16:18:07] *** e1z0 has quit IRC[16:18:08] *** e1z0 has joined #haiku[16:18:38] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[16:23:16] *** iMe has joined #haiku[16:31:12] *** juser has joined #haiku[16:32:19] *** irker-511 has joined #haiku[16:32:49] <irker-511> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46827 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d091cde+%5Ed93591f[16:32:50] <irker-511> 05a19d4: Transformation: Added BBitmap test[16:32:50] <irker-511> d091cde: Painter: Complete bitmap clipping and transformation[16:33:37] *** MrPoxipol has quit IRC[16:33:44] *** kkux has quit IRC[16:34:29] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[16:34:57] *** Ptrus has joined 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Last time it was mentioned on mail list was 13 dec 2013 - http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/BePodder-Freeware,4[19:13:56] <bob_ok> Though QuiteRSS is nice qt app, but the build that is available at haikuware.com was very unstable.[19:14:45] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[19:15:56] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[19:19:25] <irker-511> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev46829 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b9590dc+%5Ed0477fb[19:19:25] <irker-511> b9590dc: S&T: Activate S&T when only option down[19:23:35] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:25:18] *** comrad has joined #haiku[19:27:23] <Anarchos> any ieee80211_sta pointer you get access to must * either be protected by rcu_read_lock() explicitly or implicitly, * or you must take good care to not use such a pointer after a * call to your sta_remove callback that removed it.[19:27:37] *** kkux has joined #haiku[19:27:39] <Anarchos> how can i port this rcu_read_lock to haiku style ?[19:27:47] <Anarchos> is it a normal lock or a spinlock ?[19:35:19] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:38:15] *** bosii has quit IRC[19:45:44] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:46:41] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:47:15] <Skipp_OSX> humdinger, hi[19:47:31] <humdinger> hullo Skipp_OSX![19:47:35] <humdinger> thanks for the quick fix![19:47:39] * humdinger has returned[19:47:54] <Skipp_OSX> humdinger, yeah... I hope my explanation was understandable[19:48:31] *** kcj has joined #haiku[19:48:33] <Skipp_OSX> and I realize it's a change to how S&T works, but, a small one[19:48:34] <humdinger> it was. And now that you wrote it, I remember seeing the issue when there was a S&T window around.[19:50:46] <Skipp_OSX> the way the window cycling worked before was a bit wonky[19:51:31] <Skipp_OSX> but anyway, that's a different story[19:57:57] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[19:58:04] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:58:20] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:59:02] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:59:21] <Anarchos> axeld are you aware of the rcu_read_lock structure in linux drivers ?[20:07:39] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:10:12] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[20:11:46] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[20:16:21] *** mkf has quit IRC[20:21:54] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[20:24:14] *** Gedrin has joined #haiku[20:27:16] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:31:32] <Anarchos> or geist maybe ?[20:34:46] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[20:36:12] <AlienSoldier> reading the comment on this remember me a lot of the haiku GUI "debate": http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/1734207/is-intel-selling-bay-trail-chips-below-cost[20:38:09] <luroh> how so?[20:40:10] *** bob_ok has quit IRC[20:43:53] <AlienSoldier> current and old user, the classic gui look proponent, Dice is like the classic look crtitics that need new for the sake of new.[20:43:53] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[20:45:19] <umccullough> oh, you mean all the complaints about beta?[20:45:26] <AlienSoldier> yep[20:45:35] <luroh> ah, the beta comments[20:45:35] <AlienSoldier> callsic Winzip interface depate :P[20:45:38] <umccullough> i've switched back to classic[20:45:42] <AlienSoldier> *classic[20:46:00] <umccullough> i hate websites that destroy my browser :)[20:46:01] <AlienSoldier> *debate[20:46:20] <jua_> that beta interface is pretty horrible indeed[20:46:29] <umccullough> i'll probably start using the slashdot mobile[20:46:47] <AlienSoldier> i hate interface that load from google analitic more than the website itself[20:46:53] <jua_> it would be an ok interface for some random website, but it just doesn't look like slashdot at all[20:47:12] <umccullough> GA at least has some useful purpose for the website owner[20:48:17] <umccullough> and if you've never used GA on a popular site, you probably don't know what you're missing ;)[20:48:29] <AlienSoldier> i guess 1 week after the beta kill the original site, it will be 100% phone and tablet "news"[20:48:45] <umccullough> they said they'll keep classic around for a couple months[20:48:52] <umccullough> we'll see how that goes over[20:53:12] <Skipp_OSX> I stopped caring about Slashdot years ago...[20:53:41] <umccullough> it's a great source of news[20:53:44] <umccullough> <shrug>[20:53:51] <umccullough> just depends on what you're looking for[20:54:14] <luroh> the current design isn't even that old[20:54:32] <umccullough> no, they updated it just in the last few years IIRC[20:54:52] <luroh> it was thoroughly bashed at the time but they responded to feedback and implemented several suggested improvements[20:55:11] <umccullough> i still get baffled occasionally by the moderation system[21:00:16] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[21:02:10] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:02:14] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[21:03:33] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[21:05:11] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:13:13] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:14:21] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[21:20:36] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[21:21:45] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[21:23:02] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[21:27:58] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[21:28:35] <irker-511> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46830 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9f44851+%5Eb9590dc[21:28:35] <irker-511> 9f44851: Transformation: Added test for nesting view states.[21:29:58] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[21:36:44] <Paradoxon> Is there an prebuild package for clucene? i looked at haikuporter but it isnt ther also its not metioned in the HaikuDepot[21:37:55] <mmu_man> dunno[21:38:28] <Paradoxon> so i need to try to compile one??[21:39:07] * Paradoxon just want to test out haiku-beacon....[21:39:17] <mmu_man> oddly there is a dev-cpp/clucene/ but no recipe[21:39:46] <Paradoxon> and would it be easy to compile???[21:40:01] * Paradoxon is a noob when it comes to porting libs[21:40:21] <mmu_man> no idea[21:42:16] <Paradoxon> wow cloing 18.000 objects...[21:43:43] <umccullough> wasn't clucene used for a gsoc project some years back?[21:43:48] <umccullough> some indexer?[21:43:55] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:44:09] <scanty> umccullough, did you get a chance to try haiku on a second physical hard drive yet?[21:44:49] <umccullough> no :([21:44:56] <umccullough> sorry[21:45:14] <umccullough> after work, i ended up doing some stuff with the kids[21:45:20] <scanty> np. got some weird assembly bug to fix.[21:45:26] <umccullough> for clucene, i was thinking of this: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/index_server/fulltext[21:45:27] <Anarchos> scanty what kind ?[21:45:28] <scanty> so that'll take some time.[21:45:46] * Anarchos needs help with porting tricky structure from linux to haiku[21:46:08] <scanty> Anarchos, getting a segfault trying to read an address outside of it's 64K range. so I mask the address down to 16-bits, but it's still getting a >16-bit address.[21:46:12] <scanty> and I can't figure out why[21:46:26] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[21:46:49] <scanty> if I do the mask in C it works fine.[21:47:18] <Paradoxon> umcullough it was used for haiku-beacon[21:47:25] <Paradoxon> and i want to test it[21:47:56] <umccullough> sure[21:48:10] <Paradoxon> and its used for the sword library..[21:48:31] <umccullough> my point is - there's actually a dependency on it within the haiku source tree already ;)[21:48:46] <umccullough> i'm not sure any of that code has been tested lately, however[21:48:56] <comrad> nice, im just running haiku on qemu[21:48:59] <umccullough> i almost would have expected to find it here: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/libs[21:49:40] <Paradoxon> but it isnt the full clucene or ... am i missing something..[21:49:54] <umccullough> what you're missing is the clucene library itself ;)[21:50:03] <umccullough> like i said, i expected to find it somewhere, and i don't see it[21:50:09] <umccullough> so, it's just an external dependency i guess[21:50:54] <umccullough> last time it was built was back in 2009: http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/clucene-0.9.21svn-x86-gcc4-haiku-2009-06-11.zip[21:51:14] <Paradoxon> hmm not really..[21:51:17] <umccullough> probably needs a recipe update for the package management[21:51:31] <Paradoxon> as it looks czeidler worked on it 2011..[21:51:38] <umccullough> he worked on the index server, yes[21:51:45] <Paradoxon> as he asked in 2011 on it[21:51:52] <Paradoxon> at the clucene mailing list[21:51:55] <Paradoxon> ... ok[21:52:07] <Paradoxon> so i guess the last time it was build was in 2011 or so :-D[21:52:17] <umccullough> well, last time it was uploaded as an optional package was 2009[21:52:44] <umccullough> unless there's another version floating around somewhere "unofficial"[21:52:58] <umccullough> lack of recipe in haikuports suggests nothing recent[21:53:37] <Paradoxon> :-([21:53:38] <puckipedia> is there a haikuporter recipe for haikuporter?[21:54:14] <Gedrin> chicken<->egg ?[21:54:18] <puckipedia> Yep[21:54:29] <Paradoxon> :-)[21:54:34] <Paradoxon> The egg was first ;-)[21:54:47] <Gedrin> no way![21:54:49] <Gedrin> ;)[21:55:02] <umccullough> yeah, recipe is git clone https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuporter.git[21:55:05] <puckipedia> If there would be a way to run haikuporter without configuring it, it might even be able to be included in some way[21:55:06] <umccullough> done[21:55:20] <puckipedia> umccullough: Configure it is step 3[21:55:28] <puckipedia> step 2 is ???[21:55:42] <umccullough> 1. git clone https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuporter.git[21:55:44] <umccullough> 2. ???[21:55:50] <umccullough> 3. profit (and configure)[21:56:13] <Paradoxon> args getting lot of erros ... :([21:57:51] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[21:59:19] <Paradoxon> is there any precompiled boost on haiku?[21:59:35] <umccullough> right now, our available precompiled packages are small[21:59:56] <umccullough> someone may have packaged it elsewhere...[22:00:11] <umccullough> pretty soon, i think we need to start fleshing out the package repo[22:00:27] * Paradoxon is looking forward to it :)[22:00:31] <umccullough> yeah[22:00:38] <Paradoxon> could i add my programm to it ;-)[22:00:43] <umccullough> in any case, if it's already packaged, it should show up in haikudepot[22:00:56] <Paradoxon> startet to work on it again..[22:00:58] <Paradoxon> finally[22:01:08] <umccullough> someone is working on a web interface for managing online repos[22:01:17] <Paradoxon> cool[22:01:27] <umccullough> there's a mailing list dedicated to that project somewhere[22:01:31] <Paradoxon> heard some rumoring about this ...but wasint shue[22:01:38] <Paradoxon> shure... i mean[22:01:47] <umccullough> http://code.google.com/p/haiku-depot-web-app/[22:02:29] <Paradoxon> but first i need to work out how to build my hpkg.. sitll dont get it also i read the two introductions... to it..[22:02:43] <umccullough> recipes aren't hard to create :)[22:03:20] <umccullough> and that's probably the easiest way to build an hpkg[22:03:20] <Paradoxon> thats what you say...[22:03:32] <umccullough> eh, i fumbled thorugh learning them while being a GCI mentor[22:03:53] <umccullough> pick an app that's similar in complexity, and copy the recipe[22:04:27] <Paradoxon> ok good i idea.. that how our prof explained programming scb ... steel copy borrow...[22:04:59] <umccullough> just make sure not to pick a crap recipe that was copied from a bep[22:05:25] <Paradoxon> ok...is there an app wich autmatically installs some translators and so on??[22:05:39] <Paradoxon> and wich genreates a own plugin directory?[22:05:39] <umccullough> what do you mean?[22:05:45] <umccullough> ah[22:05:48] <umccullough> let's see[22:06:11] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[22:06:19] <Paradoxon> haikuporter is really not most intutive to use..[22:07:11] <umccullough> well, a recipe is really just a shell script with some pre-built functions to use[22:07:19] <puckipedia> It´s nice, although the dependencies are done by pkgman iirc[22:07:22] <umccullough> the magic you're looking for would go into the INSTALL() section[22:08:39] <umccullough> heh, puckipedia's blog+ makes a plugins dir[22:08:44] <umccullough> http://bb.haikuports.org/haikuports/src/8a24af8e13ba1b4b8706a010c4d8468d806cbc81/haiku-apps/blogpositive/blogpositive-0.4.0.recipe?at=master[22:09:03] <puckipedia> umccullough: Call it smart/lazy magic ;)[22:09:21] <umccullough> there are variables for most of the relevant dirs - so if you need to install a translator, it shouldn't be hard[22:09:25] <puckipedia> My plugins are made standalone with makefile-engine makefiles and I thus need to recursively do stuff[22:09:50] <puckipedia> It runs through the subfolders in BlogPositivePlugins and runs make if it has a makefile[22:10:23] <Paradoxon> i have a makefile wich dose this on its own..[22:10:37] <Paradoxon> my main makefile calls all sub makefiles..[22:10:54] <puckipedia> It didn´t quite work with the makefile-engine, mostly installing wnet wrong then[22:11:07] <Paradoxon> like all plugins for my programm and all translators..[22:11:10] <umccullough> so, to get a handle on how haikuporter works - it creates a "workdir" where it loads a full filesystem full of goodies for your app to be built in[22:11:31] <umccullough> if you need a dependency, you tell it, and it places it in the workdir[22:11:31] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[22:11:45] <PulkoMandy> you can look at caya recipe[22:11:59] <PulkoMandy> also, there is a recipe for boost at haikuports[22:12:13] <PulkoMandy> the first time I tried to use it, I hit a bug that prevented my app from running at all[22:12:22] <Paradoxon> so it would be 10 times easier to just download it and type in make and make install[22:12:30] <PulkoMandy> I fixed that, but I'd rather wait for some other people to make use of it and see if the parts they use work[22:12:32] <Paradoxon> download the source. and[22:12:34] <PulkoMandy> before I do a package[22:12:37] <umccullough> Paradoxon, that's basiclaly what haikuporter will do for you[22:13:24] <Paradoxon> the only step on my makefile is missing is to generate a hpkg out of it..[22:13:35] <umccullough> you're thinking about it backwards ;)[22:13:48] <umccullough> haikuporter runs the make/make install, and then builds the package from the resulting filesystem changes[22:14:06] <Paradoxon> ohh ok[22:14:29] <Paradoxon> so when i wrote my recepie... how do i put it up to haikuporter??[22:14:33] <umccullough> if there are extra steps, like moving files to appropriate dirs, you might have to include that in your INSTALL() section instead of just "make install"[22:14:49] <umccullough> haikuports is a git repo, so you just clone it locally[22:15:03] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:15:03] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:15:14] <umccullough> if you want to upload a new recipe, the recommended solution is to make a clone of the haikuports repo on bitbucket, then push your changes there, and submit a pull request[22:16:34] <umccullough> anyhow, i'm probably oversimplifying - but with some tweaking, i suspect you'll find a recipe isn't that hard to make[22:16:44] <umccullough> there should be a few people here that can help you out[22:17:12] <Paradoxon> i already have haikuports[22:17:18] *** slubman has quit IRC[22:17:18] <Paradoxon> wich i gitcloned.[22:19:02] <Paradoxon> still it is not really usable...[22:19:03] *** slubman has joined #haiku[22:19:04] <Paradoxon> i will try[22:20:56] <umccullough> in another 6 or so hours, i might have some time to help you put together a recipe 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