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[00:12:24] <bbjimmy-atwork-> Can I specify a read/write directory for an .hpkg?
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[00:20:45] <irker-885> a7119b4: ahci: Finally fixed TRIM support.
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[00:29:37] <Skipp_OSX> bbjimmy: I don't think so...
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[02:49:52] <irker-885> aeb03a8: exfat: style fixes only
[02:49:52] <irker-885> c79381d: exfat: limit backup volume name to 11 characters
[02:49:53] <irker-885> 762b846: exfat: Set the mountpoint to same as volume name
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[03:41:01] <tidux> where are the ncurses header files for PM nightlies?
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[03:42:42] <tidux> it doesn't look like they shipped in the hpkg for ncurses
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[09:26:29] <MrPoxipol> hi
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[09:58:15] <bbjimmy> is it just me, or is haiku-os.org down?
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[10:07:57] <PulkoMandy> we have some problems with the various VMs on our server since the update this week - they randomly lose network connectivity
[10:11:48] <bbjimmy> just when I needed information from haiku-os.org ... :P
[10:14:11] <gordonjcp> archive.org
[10:14:50] <bbjimmy> We need a link to libncurses.so.5.9.0 labeled libncurses.so
[10:15:50] <bbjimmy> I hate PM, you can't fix easy stuff like this.
[10:16:19] <Diver1> you can still put in into non-packaged/lib
[10:17:38] <bbjimmy> but the makefile has "LIBPATH = -L/boot/system/lib"
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[10:19:30] <bbjimmy> I copied /boot/system/lib to /boot/common/non-packaged/llib and changed the LIBPATH and made the link and the program compiled. This is just messed up!
[10:20:55] <Diver1> why /boot/common? it doesn't even exist anymore
[10:21:27] <bbjimmy> how to add a path to LIBPATH ?
[10:21:38] <Diver1> anyway, it's probably better to fix ncurses recipe
[10:22:26] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: LIBPATH += ...
[10:22:39] <bbjimmy> the path is /boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib
[10:23:06] <PulkoMandy> use findpaths
[10:23:17] <bbjimmy> A new line for the new directory?
[10:23:22] <PulkoMandy> LIBPATH=`findpaths B_FIND_PATH_LIB_DIRECTORY`
[10:23:31] <PulkoMandy> this has all our lib directories in it
[10:23:41] <PulkoMandy> (assuming your makefile can handle multiple entries in there)
[10:24:23] <bbjimmy> I will try layter, when I reboot to a
[10:24:31] <bbjimmy> PM install
[10:24:44] <PulkoMandy> mh... actually
[10:24:56] <PulkoMandy> the libncurses.so is in the develop lib dir
[10:25:00] <PulkoMandy> so use that
[10:25:06] <PulkoMandy> no need to create your own symlink
[10:25:44] <bbjimmy> no libncurses.so on the disk.
[10:26:05] <PulkoMandy> well, that's where it should be at least
[10:26:11] <bbjimmy> nor ncurses.h ... etc
[10:26:13] <PulkoMandy> /boot/system/develop/lib/
[10:26:15] <PulkoMandy> mh
[10:26:26] <PulkoMandy> maybe you need the ncurses_devel package? (is there one?)
[10:26:41] <PulkoMandy> yes
[10:26:49] <PulkoMandy> pkgman install ncurses_devel
[10:27:06] <bbjimmy> can't get to haiku-os.org, so the haikyudepot doesn't work. :P
[10:27:33] <bbjimmy> no ncurses_devel listed
[10:27:45] <PulkoMandy> well I see it here
[10:27:54] <bbjimmy> hmmm
[10:28:03] <PulkoMandy> is that a gcc4 install?
[10:28:09] <bbjimmy> let me reboot and check
[10:28:16] <bbjimmy> bbl
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[10:30:39] <bbjimmy> ncurses, and ncurses_x86 no devel package
[10:31:38] <PulkoMandy> this is what I get
[10:33:26] <bbjimmy> I don't know how uou got that. I am looking at HaikuDepot
[10:34:58] <PulkoMandy> this is pkgman from terminal
[10:35:20] <PulkoMandy> and, you're right, HaikuDepot doesn't show it :/
[10:35:32] <PulkoMandy> oh
[10:35:44] <PulkoMandy> you have to enable development packages in the options menu
[10:35:50] <PulkoMandy> then it becomes visible
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[10:37:54] <bbjimmy> If I have all packages and all Depots it should show all packages shouldn't it? after checking " include development packages it now shows.
[10:38:31] <bbjimmy> but now I can't download it.
[10:39:40] <bbjimmy> failed to download package
[10:40:51] <bbjimmy> I guess in this case all doesn't mean all.
[10:42:15] <bbjimmy> It is only all if you check development and source packages in the options menu. maybe all isn't the right word to use.
[10:43:18] <PulkoMandy> I think "all packages" doesn't work yet
[10:43:44] <PulkoMandy> but yes, this is what it should do, and I have no idea why there is a separate "options" menu now
[10:44:31] <bbjimmy> I have to wait for the server to do any more... night all
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[11:54:19] <stippi> PulkoMandy: Because it was ugly to show four packages per package?
[11:54:45] <stippi> Think of it as a user.
[11:54:48] <PulkoMandy> yes, it is
[11:55:05] <PulkoMandy> but there is interference between this and the categories
[11:55:16] <stippi> Yes, perhaps.
[11:55:39] <stippi> It could be "All, except devel packages" and then there could be another "All" option that shows them.
[11:55:56] <PulkoMandy> I'd at least replace "show: all packages" with "show: all categories" in the dropdown
[11:56:02] <PulkoMandy> since it doesn't actually show all packages
[11:56:33] <stippi> Huh? You mean because it doesn't show devel and source by default?
[11:57:01] <stippi> That could be a good change.
[11:57:48] <stippi> But moving the source and devel options into the category menu would be bloaty. These options work more like a general filter, which applies to any category you might select there.
[11:57:55] <PulkoMandy> yes
[11:58:09] <stippi> Ok, then just the label "All" needs fixing and then it's cool?
[11:58:22] <PulkoMandy> I'm wondering if we should show the devel and source packages as packages at all
[11:58:51] <PulkoMandy> debian doesn't show the source packages, for example, but you could have an "install sources" button somewhere
[11:59:09] <stippi> That would be another option.
[11:59:17] <PulkoMandy> not sure where we'd put that, may clutter the interface a bit
[11:59:27] <stippi> Maybe I object to the "All" change, after all.
[11:59:55] <stippi> All refers to Categories, not to packages. What is the label of the drop-down again? (I'm in Linux)
[12:00:06] <PulkoMandy> just "Show:"
[12:00:09] <stippi> Ah.
[12:00:18] <PulkoMandy> maybe that's where the problem lies
[12:00:19] <stippi> Ok, then I don't object. :-D
[12:00:47] <stippi> Yeah, it could be "Category:" and that would fix it too. But there aren't only categories, if memory serves.
[12:01:00] <stippi> So just changing All to All categories could be the best solution.
[12:01:56] <stippi> PulkoMandy: BTW, I have not updated my buildtools repo. Maybe you should revert yours so you can keep working?
[12:02:07] <stippi> Or are you almost done with a fix?
[12:14:12] <PulkoMandy> for building WebKit?
[12:16:09] <PulkoMandy> stippi: I don't know what you mean, recent versions of WebKit (since december) started using C++11 threads, and our gcc didn't support that, be it version 4.7 or 4.8
[12:16:27] <PulkoMandy> I have this fixed (with some quirks) locally
[12:17:11] <PulkoMandy> it needs recompiling gcc (with haikuporter) and putting the fixed libstdc++ in the lib folder next to the HaikuLauncher/WebPositive executable
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[12:26:56] <stippi> Is the libstdc++ fix still needed once the GCC package is updated?
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[12:33:38] <PulkoMandy> stippi: yes, we still have this problem, as libstdc++ is from the haiku.hpkg package
[12:33:48] <PulkoMandy> so it is what you built haiku with, not what your gcc is
[12:34:04] <PulkoMandy> but, once we update our gcc, and then rebuild haiku, it should be fine
[12:36:01] <stippi> Ok, understood.
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[14:34:59] <FreeFull> Why is the website down?
[14:36:02] <mmu_man> we have having some network issues after a system upgrade this week
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[14:42:04] <FreeFull> Is there any better way to run BeOS applications under linux other than haiku in a VM?
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[14:45:26] <FreeFull> There was once a linux distribution that ran BeOS, windows and something else software somehow, but that is gone, and I have no idea how it ran the BeOS software (it used wine for the windows stuff)
[14:46:03] <PulkoMandy> BlueEyedOS was a reimplementation of the Be API over a Linux kernel, but that project is dead
[14:46:15] <PulkoMandy> and it wasn't binary compatible with BeOS apps, they had to be recompiled
[14:47:59] <FreeFull> Hmm, whatever that distro did was binary compatible
[14:48:10] <FreeFull> But that was many years ago, and it's gone off the net
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[14:49:55] <FreeFull> If I want to try out Haiku right now, should I use the stable or nightly?
[14:50:28] <PulkoMandy> probably the nightly
[14:50:46] <PulkoMandy> our alpha release is an alpha, not "stable", and it's more than a year old
[14:51:24] <FreeFull> Ok, at least the website for prebuilt nightlies is up
[14:53:02] <FreeFull> hrev46791 is good?
[14:53:49] <PulkoMandy> probably
[14:54:04] <PulkoMandy> I'm running 46792, which I compiled myself
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[15:52:19] <Paradoxon> Hi
[15:53:52] <Paradoxon> short question...i am on the way to write datatranslater but it needs a bunch of files as input.. is there any way to handle this??
[15:54:43] <Paradoxon> Hi MauriceK long time no see ;)
[15:56:47] <PulkoMandy> Paradoxon: make it work on a directory maybe?
[15:57:44] <PulkoMandy> mh... you'd need a BPositionIO wrapper around whatever you use as an input
[15:58:04] <Paradoxon> PulkoMandy thats the challenge..
[15:58:21] <Paradoxon> for me..
[15:58:24] <PulkoMandy> I see two solutions
[15:58:45] <Paradoxon> but we definitly need a solution...
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[15:58:56] <PulkoMandy> either you assume you can read a list of filenames from that BPositionIO (one per line or something)
[15:59:29] <Paradoxon> because a lot of programms now store the stuff in different files all added togehter in zip files
[15:59:33] <PulkoMandy> or, you assume you can read several files from it, one after another, maybe with some kind of separator
[15:59:55] <PulkoMandy> mh, yes
[16:00:04] <PulkoMandy> I think the latter solution would be nice for this
[16:00:28] <Paradoxon> that would make sense
[16:00:41] <PulkoMandy> you could have a BArchiveIO or something, that reads from a .zip or .tar and allows you to get the files in-order with some kind of header between them
[16:01:26] <Paradoxon> But i need both archiv reading and Folder reading..
[16:01:39] <PulkoMandy> you can have a BFolderIO that does the same for a folder
[16:01:44] <Paradoxon> so one baseclass
[16:01:57] <PulkoMandy> as long as they return the data in the same format
[16:02:02] * Paradoxon scratches his head..
[16:02:24] <Paradoxon> you know how long i didnt desigend classes..
[16:02:26] <Paradoxon> :(
[16:02:36] <PulkoMandy> you don't really need a baseclass
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[16:03:02] <Paradoxon> BPositionIO is the base class
[16:03:04] <Paradoxon> shure.
[16:03:05] <Paradoxon> ok
[16:03:07] <Paradoxon> ..
[16:03:29] <PulkoMandy> just have them send things in the same format, which can be something very simple like "Name:xxx\nSize:nnn\n\ndata goes here\n\nName:yyy\nSize:vvv\nData for next file\n\n"...
[16:05:21] <Paradoxon> but how do you do the seek then ...
[16:05:29] <Paradoxon> to find the real spot...
[16:05:52] <PulkoMandy> you need to seek between different files?
[16:06:30] <PulkoMandy> you can have the complete file list first with name, size, and starting offset in the stream, then the data for all files
[16:06:41] <PulkoMandy> so you can easily read the list first, then get to the file you need
[16:08:16] <Paradoxon> or add a extra seek method with filename first and then relativ postion in the file..
[16:08:24] * Paradoxon gets an idea..
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[16:10:00] <PulkoMandy> mh, yes, you can do it that way too
[16:10:18] <PulkoMandy> with separate methods to get the file list then
[16:14:59] <puckipedia> I got an idea for touchscreen Haiku: If you press with 3 fingers, you get a big circle you can use to move the window (and size knobs at the side)
[16:15:04] <puckipedia> Ubuntu does this too
[16:15:51] <PulkoMandy> we need a multitouch driver and multipointer support in the API before we even start thinking about that
[16:16:15] <puckipedia> Yeah, but it's an idea and it works
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[16:19:35] <Paradoxon> could give some "new" old ideas
[16:19:43] <Paradoxon> some beos like ideas ;-D
[16:20:00] <puckipedia> Well, you could make HaikuIa (just replace the bootscript)
[16:20:14] <Paradoxon> :-D
[16:20:17] <puckipedia> Does Haiku have CELF support?
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[16:21:11] * Paradoxon has no idea what celf means
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[16:21:43] <puckipedia> Compressed ELF
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[16:23:56] <Paradoxon> i belive elf isnt finished yet.... but i have no idea really
[16:24:22] <puckipedia> It is used in Haiku, so
[16:24:34] <Paradoxon> sorry..
[16:24:53] <Paradoxon> mixed it up with boot
[16:25:53] <Paradoxon> with uefi
[16:25:54] <puckipedia> uefi, you mean?
[16:25:56] <Paradoxon> lol
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[16:26:25] <Paradoxon> so no idea really :( :)
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[17:59:27] <waddlesplash> tidux: try the devel pkg ;-)
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[18:56:17] <tidux|haiku> how do I install hpkg files I built with haikuporter?
[18:57:16] <waddlesplash> tidux|haiku: what packages aren't prebuilt that you need?
[18:58:44] <Diver> tidux|haiku: cp your.hpkg /system/packages
[18:58:49] <OmniMancer2> tidux|haiku: drop them in the packages directory
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[19:03:03] <tidux|haiku> thanks guys
[19:03:05] <tidux|haiku> that worked
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[19:59:50] <netstar> Could Google be developing their own Haiku-based OS?
[20:00:03] <waddlesplash> Yeah right
[20:00:14] <luroh> not in this universe
[20:00:49] <netstar> okely dokely
[20:00:59] <netstar> I have problems booting Haiku in QEmu
[20:01:09] <netstar> Are there known issues? I boot from the live CD image
[20:01:20] <netstar> the bootsplash loads but never reaches the RAM icon
[20:01:50] <netstar> I don't have any x86 machines - they are all with broken screens
[20:02:00] <netstar> so using QEmu on ARMHF
[20:02:23] <FreeFull> What version of qemu?
[20:02:31] <FreeFull> And how much RAM did you give to the guest?
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[20:02:58] <netstar> 1.7 - debian
[20:03:07] <netstar> i used the -m with 768 MB
[20:04:49] <FreeFull> That's odd
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[20:15:26] <netstar> i'll try a raw image
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[20:17:22] <PulkoMandy> netstar: press space at early boot (before the splash screen) and enable on-screen debug in the menu
[20:17:28] <PulkoMandy> you'll get more useful infos
[20:17:40] <PulkoMandy> as for Google, if they work on that, we haven't heard about it :)
[20:18:22] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: check http logs, look for Google hits
[20:18:25] <waddlesplash> ;-)
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[20:21:19] <netstar> allocate_commpage_entry(3,5) - borks here
[20:21:29] <netstar> after ATA init
[20:22:02] <netstar> just hangs nothing spastic
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[20:28:21] <netstar> any thoughts?
[20:29:20] <netstar> I enabled EVERY safemode option it still hangs
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[20:46:04] <scanty> does profiling work in Haiku?
[20:46:20] <scanty> I tried compiling with -pg in CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, and LDFLAGS, and there's no gmon.out
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[20:48:25] <Anarchos> did you used gprof too ?
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[20:49:53] <FreeFull> I tried installing Haiku on my memory stick. All the files are there, but the partition appears to be FAT32, and I can't boot from it
[20:50:16] <PulkoMandy> you probably did something wrong then
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[20:50:22] <FreeFull> Yeah
[20:50:25] <FreeFull> Did I format it wrong?
[20:50:34] <FreeFull> It's a bummer, since installing took a long time too
[20:50:40] <PulkoMandy> it shouldn't be fat32
[20:50:47] <PulkoMandy> and it shouldn't be slow
[20:51:10] <FreeFull> Well, I was doing it from within qemu
[20:52:11] <PulkoMandy> mh, that explain the slowness, but not the FAT32, I guess :)
[20:52:14] <scanty> Anarchos, I can't use gprof because there's no gmon.out to talk to.
[20:52:21] <FreeFull> Let me try again then
[20:52:53] <PulkoMandy> FreeFull: anyway, you can write the anyboot image to an usb stick directly, if you don't want to waste time installingit
[20:52:54] <FreeFull> According to DriveSetup the filesystem is the Be File System
[20:53:00] <PulkoMandy> use rawwrite or dd or some similar tool
[20:53:18] <FreeFull> PulkoMandy: Yeah, but will that give me access to the full 2GB of the memory stick?
[20:53:33] <PulkoMandy> you can create a second partition in the remaining space
[20:53:47] <FreeFull> I'd rather just have it all on one partition
[20:53:57] <PulkoMandy> ok, go with the install then
[20:54:14] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure where our partition resizer project ended...
[20:54:28] <FreeFull> Why does DriveSetup claim it to be BeFS, but linux sees it as FAT32 and can mount it as such?
[20:55:17] <PulkoMandy> DriveSetup only checks the partition type in the MBR I think
[20:55:31] <PulkoMandy> you have to actually initialize it as bfs after creating the partition
[20:56:14] <PulkoMandy> also, if you use drivesetup to modify partitions on an usb stick from qemu, the host linux probably won't notice
[20:56:23] <PulkoMandy> and keep the old partition layout in memory
[20:56:34] <PulkoMandy> you need some hdparm trick (or just unplug/replug)
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[21:03:13] <FreeFull> PulkoMandy: No, this is after reboot
[21:03:16] <FreeFull> How do I initialise it?
[21:04:47] <PulkoMandy> select it in DriveSetup then partition > initialize
[21:06:45] <FreeFull> There is no initialise option
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[21:07:13] <FreeFull> This is with haiku nightly
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[21:08:29] <FreeFull> Newest one I could get from haiku-files.org
[21:08:52] <jua_> the option is called "format" now
[21:09:29] <umccullough> if the disk doesn't have a partition table, you should create one first
[21:09:57] <umccullough> oh, usb stick?
[21:10:03] <umccullough> well... then it's optional ;)
[21:10:16] <umccullough> but if you plan to boot from it, it should have a partition table
[21:10:41] <FreeFull> Well, removed the partition, made a new table, new partition, made active, formatted
[21:10:44] <FreeFull> Hopefully it will work now
[21:10:58] <FreeFull> It did have a table
[21:11:04] <FreeFull> Now to install Haiku, again
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[21:15:44] <scanty> progress with -pg, but now getting undefined references to _mcount.
[21:15:49] <scanty> not sure what's going on yet.
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[21:19:36] <scanty> any ideas anyone?
[21:20:01] <umccullough> FreeFull, you may have to do something to install the boot record too, i don't know
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[21:24:46] <FreeFull> That's odd
[21:24:51] <FreeFull> This time the install took less than a minute
[21:25:31] <FreeFull> I suspect all the data got just written to cache and is still writing to the stick though
[21:25:33] <umccullough> for good measure, run sync from a terminal
[21:25:46] <umccullough> once the sync is done, the cache should be flushed entirely
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[21:26:25] <umccullough> bonus if your usb stick has activity led ;)
[21:27:03] <umccullough> fwiw, haiku installs pretty quickly
[21:27:06] <FreeFull> Yeah, ran the sync, it's not flashing now
[21:27:18] <umccullough> it's not very large
[21:27:21] <FreeFull> Let me try seeing if I can boot into it now
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[21:27:44] <umccullough> if it still doesn't boot, it's probably missing the boot record
[21:28:19] <umccullough> i don't remember if drivesetup initializes the MBR as bootable when it writes the intel partition table
[21:28:46] <FreeFull> Ok, shut haiku down, waited for the LED to stop, unplugged and replugged
[21:29:01] <FreeFull> According to fdisk it's marked as bootable
[21:29:07] <FreeFull> I'll just hope the MBR is there
[21:29:18] <FreeFull> fdisk actually sees it as BeOS FS now too
[21:29:27] <FreeFull> Reboot time
[21:29:35] <FreeFull> If I don't come back, it probably worked
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[21:29:57] <umccullough> fdisk reporting it as "BFS" just means the partition type was set to 0xeb
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[21:30:12] <umccullough> technically, the partition type doesn't affect haiku's ability to boot from it
[21:30:43] <umccullough> i've formatted "linux" partitions as bfs and booted from them fine, even though fdisk reports them as linux (0x83 iirc)
[21:31:00] <umccullough> and changing the partition type doesn't affect the filesystem on it :)
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[21:38:16] <Gedrin> umccullough doesnt the "installer" do that for you?
[21:38:31] <umccullough> Gedrin, not automatically, now
[21:38:32] <umccullough> no
[21:38:40] <umccullough> i think there was an option somewhere
[21:39:28] <umccullough> it does make the partition bootable, however
[21:39:35] <umccullough> and some people confuse that ;)
[21:39:39] <Gedrin> ah
[21:40:14] <umccullough> usually the MBR is little more than a chainloader for the first active/bootable partition
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[21:40:36] <umccullough> but if you've installed Windows or Linux, your MBR is going to have something a bit more
[21:40:46] <umccullough> and it would be a bad plan for haiku to wipe that out by default
[21:41:45] <Gedrin> last time i changed my hdd, i created my bfs volume with "active" option and afert that i installed our bootman everything boots fine
[21:42:08] <umccullough> bootman is a custom MBR bootloader
[21:42:27] <umccullough> it's also overkill for a disk with a single partition
[21:42:33] <Anarchos> where is _setjmp ?
[21:42:59] <Gedrin> i have also windows and linux on it, so it makes sense
[21:43:14] <umccullough> right, i usually end up just using grub if i've already installed linux
[21:43:36] <Gedrin> i dont really like grub
[21:43:49] <umccullough> to boot linux from bootman, you have to install grub to the partition itself (which is usually not recommended anyway), and then chainload it from bootman
[21:44:02] <umccullough> eh, grub gets the job done
[21:44:12] <umccullough> i'm just used to it
[21:44:23] <umccullough> most of my haiku machines have a linux partition on them as well
[21:44:40] <umccullough> usually because I use linux to build/install haiku ;)
[21:47:34] <PulkoMandy> I'm wondering if we should drop bootman and use Smart Boot Manager instead, or something similar
[21:47:42] <PulkoMandy> but maybe not as user friendly
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[21:49:02] <FreeFull> Ok, so I managed to boot this time, and almost everything works!
[21:49:15] <umccullough> neat
[21:49:43] <FreeFull> The only problem is that for some reason Haiku doesn't see the laptop's hard drive
[21:49:55] <umccullough> doesn't see?
[21:50:06] <umccullough> does it use GPT?
[21:51:08] <FreeFull> Nope
[21:51:24] <umccullough> it doesn't show up under /dev/disk ?
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[21:52:18] <umccullough> if no, maybe an unsupported sata/ahci adapter or something
[21:52:19] <FreeFull> It doesn't
[21:52:31] <FreeFull> The DVD drive does show up
[21:52:44] <PulkoMandy> you may try switching AHCI on or off in the BIOS
[21:52:46] <umccullough> hmm... could be connected differently internally
[21:53:16] <umccullough> also, create a ticket and provide your syslog and listdev output
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[21:54:21] <FreeFull> Aww, the program I want to run doens't even work
[21:54:40] <FreeFull> Crashes with segment violation
[21:54:49] <PulkoMandy> what is it?
[21:54:54] <FreeFull> Sawteeth 1.2
[21:54:59] <PulkoMandy> get 1.3 :)
[21:55:25] <FreeFull> Ah, forgot there was a newer version
[21:55:37] <PulkoMandy> there isn't yet, I'm working on it
[21:55:59] <PulkoMandy> I'm surprised 1.2 doesn't work, however
[21:56:40] <FreeFull> Yay, it works
[21:56:43] <FreeFull> 1.3 works
[21:57:09] <FreeFull> The different keyboard shortcuts confuse me
[21:57:21] <FreeFull> Is there a list of them somewhere?
[21:57:25] <PulkoMandy> did I change something?
[21:57:37] <FreeFull> No, I mean in Haiku overall
[21:58:10] <umccullough> most things it's just alt instead of ctrl
[21:58:21] <PulkoMandy> you can swap alt/ctrl in leaf menu > preferences > keymap
[21:58:31] <PulkoMandy> other than that, it's mostly the usual ones
[21:58:33] <FreeFull> How do I switch between tabs in webpositive?
[21:58:34] <umccullough> userguide should hopefully have some info
[21:59:12] <umccullough> tabs... i think just alt-1/2/3/4 etc works?
[21:59:31] <umccullough> cylcing them on the other hand, i don't remember offhand
[21:59:46] <umccullough> it's been a while ;)
[21:59:49] <FreeFull> alt-number works
[21:59:55] <FreeFull> I am used to having a lot of tabs open though =P
[22:00:15] <FreeFull> I wonder if Haiku actually has drivers for my graphics chip or if it's just using VESA
[22:00:15] <PulkoMandy> FreeFull: if you get some songs made with sawteeth, I'd like to get a copy of them, and maybe put them in the next release
[22:00:17] <FreeFull> I suspect VESA
[22:00:23] <FreeFull> Ok
[22:00:43] <umccullough> what video chip?
[22:00:54] <PulkoMandy> and if you come around a bug or have suggestions for imrpovement, well, send them to me as well
[22:00:54] <FreeFull> R600
[22:01:01] <umccullough> hmm
[22:01:07] <umccullough> can you get the deviceid for me?
[22:01:09] <umccullough> from listdev
[22:01:31] <PulkoMandy> I think preferences > screen can tell you if you hover the screen preview
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[22:01:45] <umccullough> that would work, yes
[22:01:47] <FreeFull> Sure
[22:03:03] <umccullough> i'm thinking r600 is in the gap between our radeon and radeon_hd driver
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[22:03:09] <FreeFull> Radeon HD 6320 (Palm APU)
[22:03:42] <umccullough> oh, that should work
[22:03:44] <umccullough> 0x9806
[22:04:01] <FreeFull> With 3D acceleration?
[22:04:10] <umccullough> no
[22:04:15] <umccullough> we don't have any 3d acceleration for any chip
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[22:04:25] <umccullough> just modesetting 2d drivers for now
[22:05:01] <FreeFull> Still, better than nothing
[22:05:37] <FreeFull> I'm happy that wifi and sound work without trouble
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[22:12:06] <FreeFull> Webpositive froze and I had to kill it
[22:12:14] <FreeFull> Seems it doesn't support websockets ):
[22:13:01] <umccullough> Haiku comes with an IRC client called Vision, btw
[22:13:15] <FreeFull> Ah, the name doesn't really indicate it is an IRC client =P
[22:13:21] <umccullough> i know.
[22:13:38] <umccullough> peopel show up here sometimes and exclaim: "Oh, is that what vision is?"
[22:14:15] <umccullough> not sure if the nightlies are configured to autoconnect here or not
[22:14:26] <Anarchos> umccullough i think so
[22:14:30] <umccullough> heh
[22:14:40] <umccullough> i know the alphas do
[22:14:46] <umccullough> it's always kinda funny
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[22:15:05] <FreeFull_> Hey :D
[22:15:09] <umccullough> oh, and it's crappy at changing hosts
[22:15:22] <FreeFull_> Still better than webchat
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[22:15:39] <umccullough> yeah
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[22:16:07] <FreeFull> It's not configured to autojoin any network
[22:16:10] <FreeFull> By default
[22:16:15] <umccullough> no?
[22:16:21] <FreeFull> At least, on the latest nightly you can get from haiku-files
[22:16:29] <umccullough> oh, right, i mean it auto-joins the channel
[22:16:34] <FreeFull> Ah, yeah
[22:16:37] <umccullough> when you connect to freenode
[22:16:41] <FreeFull> I thought you meant the network =P
[22:16:52] <umccullough> there's a place to change that
[22:16:55] <umccullough> in the config
[22:17:02] <FreeFull> I went straight to the config anyway
[22:17:08] <umccullough> good deal
[22:17:45] <umccullough> i usually keep a vision instance open on workspace 4
[22:17:56] <umccullough> and then use alt-f1/f2/f3/f4 to switch between workspaces
[22:18:07] <FreeFull> The workspaces setting in Screen has both rows and columns, is there a way to switch workspaces other than alt+f key?
[22:18:35] <umccullough> there's a workspace app that you can embed into the desktop
[22:18:41] <umccullough> for mouse clicking
[22:18:50] <umccullough> i forget keystrokes (again) for cycling
[22:19:01] <FreeFull> Ah
[22:19:14] <FreeFull> What's the best web browser for Haiku right now?
[22:19:15] <umccullough> also, with the workspaces app, you can drag apps from one workspace to another
[22:19:20] <umccullough> it comes with webpositive
[22:19:23] <umccullough> that's it...
[22:19:35] <umccullough> as in, that's the best
[22:19:49] <FreeFull> Doesn't support websockets though, or webgl ):
[22:19:56] <umccullough> not yet
[22:20:05] <umccullough> i dunno about websockets, ask PulkoMandy
[22:20:17] <FreeFull> Or HTML5 video
[22:20:20] <umccullough> nope
[22:20:32] <umccullough> i hear some people have used qupzilla - but it requires installing qt
[22:20:39] <PulkoMandy> mh, not sure, I think I have websockets enabled but not really tested
[22:22:04] <FreeFull> I'll try qupzilla
[22:26:17] <jua_> SawTeeth 1.2 crashse because of EXRTranslator
[22:26:20] <jua_> remove it and it should work
[22:26:26] <jua_> (or just use the newer version)
[22:27:37] <PulkoMandy> yes
[22:27:45] <FreeFull> I'll just use the newer version
[22:28:17] <jua_> you might get the same problem with some other old apps though like NetPenguin... same solution: get rid of exrtranslator ;)
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[22:29:07] <FreeFull> How do I install hpkgs?
[22:29:21] <FreeFull> What does exrtranslator do?
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[22:29:41] <Not-001> [haikuporter] puckipedia cabb6f2 - Add some better error handling
[22:29:44] <Not-001> [haikuporter] puckipedia a2c3f20 - Add Verbose option
[22:29:47] <Not-001> [haikuporter] puckipedia 643d18d - Fix for old recipes or missing keys
[22:29:50] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey 7dbd2b1 - Merged in puckipedia/haikuporter (pull request #1) Add some better error handling
[22:30:12] <jua_> FreeFull, just copy the hpkg to home/config/packages
[22:30:44] <jua_> and EXRTranslator is some picture format translator, but it's currently somewhat broken and causes those problems with old applications.
[22:32:03] <FreeFull> Ah, installation by drag and drop :o
[22:32:26] <FreeFull> And there we go, qupzilla up and running
[22:33:38] <FreeFull> Seems a bit better than webpositive to me so far
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[22:35:28] <FreeFull> Or maybe not
[22:35:56] <FreeFull> No html5 video either ):
[22:36:29] <FreeFull> Websockets apparently incomplete
[22:37:04] <FreeFull> Rendering isn't as glitchy as in webpositive though
[22:37:08] <PulkoMandy> I'll be working on these things, soon
[22:37:12] <PulkoMandy> on Web+ side
[22:39:41] <FreeFull> What engine does Web+ use?
[22:40:50] <PulkoMandy> a native port of WebKit
[22:41:12] <FreeFull> Ah
[22:41:20] <FreeFull> Seems almost everything is webkit nowadays
[22:41:52] <PulkoMandy> not anymore
[22:42:06] <PulkoMandy> Chrome is Blink now, and Opera and Qt are following them
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[22:42:17] <PulkoMandy> so WebKit is Safari, Tizen, Blackberry and us
[22:42:24] <FreeFull> Isn't blink a fork of webkit though?
[22:42:28] <PulkoMandy> yes
[22:42:57] <PulkoMandy> and for now they aren't drifting apart too much in terms of supported web features
[22:43:02] <FreeFull> I wonder if servo will be popular once it's ready
[22:43:06] <PulkoMandy> differences are on the backend side
[22:45:05] <FreeFull> Seems ctrl+alt+arrow keys lets you switch between workspaces
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[22:47:29] <jua_> alt+F1/F2/F3/etc works as well
[22:47:42] <Anarchos> i neeed a replacement for the haiku rcu_read_lock structure....
[22:47:55] <Anarchos> i neeed a replacement for the LINUX rcu_read_lock structure....
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[22:52:02] <FreeFull> Seems web+ claims to support to websockets but anything that tries to use them doesn't work
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[22:53:20] <FreeFull> And with qupzilla websockets seem to work even less
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[22:56:17] <FreeFull> Vision doesn't ask if you want to quit on quit D:
[22:56:29] <FreeFull> Accidentally hit alt+w, and poof
[22:57:31] <jua_> in Preferences -> Application you can enable double-press to close
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[22:57:43] <jua_> then you have to press cmd+w or +q twice to do it
[22:58:01] <FreeFull> Ah, thanks
[22:58:51] <FreeFull> According to the Haiku battery applet, my battery was at 366789% charge. It only updated to something reasonable (100%) just now
[22:59:04] <FreeFull> And now it's back to 366789%
[22:59:32] <jua_> heh
[22:59:37] <FreeFull> And now it works properly
[22:59:40] <FreeFull> Weird
[22:59:47] <FreeFull> And now it's back to not working properly
[22:59:49] <PulkoMandy> yes, the battery stuff always does weird stuff like that
[23:00:08] <PulkoMandy> only thrust the numbers between 1 and 100%; the others are garbage :)
[23:00:32] <PulkoMandy> FreeFull: if you have an example of something that uses web sockets, open a bug report and add a link
[23:00:34] <PulkoMandy> I'll have a look
[23:01:09] <FreeFull> I just have whatever version of web+ comes with the nightly though, rather than the latest git
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[23:01:35] <PulkoMandy> yes, that's reasonably up to date
[23:01:50] <PulkoMandy> I know what I fixed in the meantime, and web sockets aren't part of that list
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[23:02:33] <FreeFull> Well, no websocket test page actually worked for me
[23:02:45] <FreeFull> Although they did claim that the browser supports websockets
[23:03:38] <PulkoMandy> give me links, it'll avoid me searching for them
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[23:05:23] <FreeFull> Bbl
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[23:17:12] <bbjimmy> where should I place source files in a source hpkg?
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[23:37:52] <FreeFull> Is there a way to open links in new tabs in Web+ if you don't have a middle mouse button? ctrl+click and alt+click don't seem to work for that
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[23:39:08] <irker-142> 78fb24b: gcc:libstdc++-v3: added a config os directory for Haiku.
[23:39:26] <FreeFull> Two finger tap on touchpad sadly doesn't seem to work as middle click
[23:39:41] <irker-142> 4f57b13: build_cross_tools_gcc4: enable posix threads.
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