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[00:08:38] <luroh> arselinux: iirc, you can't format a GPT drive using DriveSetup yet, but i think mkfs should work
[00:08:57] <luroh> and mkdos
[00:10:45] <arselinux> Um.
[00:10:48] <umccullough> can it be booted from such a partition?
[00:10:49] <arselinux> I'm not formatting my disk XD
[00:11:17] * umccullough assumes he meant partition, not drive
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[00:18:31] <umccullough> arselinux, are you just trying to access a GPT disk from an already-running haiku?
[00:19:01] <arselinux> No.
[00:19:05] <umccullough> k
[00:19:13] <arselinux> I have a GPT disk that Haiku claims is read only. It isn't.
[00:19:22] <umccullough> well, what filesystem?
[00:19:33] <umccullough> we don't have write support for several
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[00:19:42] <umccullough> which has nothing to do with GPT
[00:19:46] <arselinux> It says the entire disk is read only, that doesn't matter.
[00:20:00] <umccullough> mm... yeah, i dunno then
[00:20:04] <arselinux> I have a 20 GB partition, and I used cgdisk to format it to the filesystem Haiku uses
[00:20:14] <umccullough> i'm not even sure what you mean by "readonly" at the disk level
[00:21:27] <umccullough> as for formatting a partition to BFS, i'm not even aware of tools outside of haiku and its build system that are capable of doing so
[00:22:30] <umccullough> if you mean just setting the partition type... that's not formatting
[00:22:33] <arselinux> cgdisk/cfdisk can
[00:22:41] <arselinux> and I think gparted can as well
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[00:22:57] <umccullough> i admit, i'm skeptical
[00:23:23] <umccullough> i know gparted can set the partition type, but i have never seen it support BFS as a filesystem
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[00:23:49] <umccullough> the closest thing to filesytem support on linux is a wonky old readonly kernel befs driver, and a more recent FUSE driver
[00:24:03] <umccullough> and i'm not sure the FUSE driver has made it very far
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[00:24:50] <arselinux> Well, cgdisk supports creating BFS filesystems.
[00:26:08] <umccullough> yes, i'm trying to find that, but all I see is that it knows of the partition type/guid for BFS
[00:26:13] <umccullough> do you have documentation stating otherwise?
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[00:28:25] <umccullough> i know recent versions of gparted haven't the faintest clue how to format BFS...
[00:28:55] <arselinux> umccullough: I don't have documentation readily available. I just know it was an option in the list of filesystems choices when I was using cgdisk.
[00:29:14] <umccullough> arselinux, yes, but i suspect all it did was set the partition type - not actually format the filesystem
[00:29:34] <arselinux> No, it did.
[00:29:34] <umccullough> and, i don't mean to sound condescending, but that is not nearly the same thing
[00:29:45] <umccullough> ok, well i can't argue as I haven't tried it
[00:29:51] <umccullough> but i will remain deeply skeptical
[00:31:53] <arselinux> Or perhaps you are right, I'm not sure. My question was whether or not I can use haiku on a disk using GPT to begin with.
[00:32:49] <luroh> maybe a GPT whole disk, but not a partition, https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9291
[00:33:01] <luroh> whole GPT*
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[00:33:30] <umccullough> reading documentation for cgdisk, it doesn't appear to format anything, only partition
[00:33:44] <umccullough> it still requires you to use mkfs for your specific filesystem type
[00:33:58] <arselinux> hm
[00:34:19] <umccullough> Haiku understands GPT and can parse it, but i think last i heard the bootloader couldn't boot from one
[00:35:30] <arselinux> The filesystem type shouldn't matter seeing as haiku formats the partition to BFS anyways, right?
[00:35:43] <umccullough> you must use DriveSetup to format the partition
[00:35:52] <arselinux> I was.
[00:36:09] <arselinux> That is exactly what I was doing, and it said it was read only.
[00:36:32] <umccullough> ok, it may be that drivesetup can't handle GPT yet either :/
[00:36:52] <luroh> that sounds strange, as DriveSetup isn't able to write to GPT disks, for all i know
[00:36:55] <umccullough> i know the last dev that tried this, used Linux to build haiku onto a GPT partition - where the haiku buildsystem itself formats the partition directly
[00:37:25] <umccullough> it may be that drivesetup has intentionally been disabled for GPT to prevent accidental destruction ;)
[00:37:49] <umccullough> that would be easy to locate i think
[00:38:06] <luroh> whatever the reason, it shouldn't be able to format anything on a GPT disk
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[00:39:40] <luroh> (maybe that's exactly what arselinux is saying, and i'm just misinterpreting)
[00:40:21] <arselinux> It recognizes partitions on a GPT disk, but instead of throwing an error along the lines of "GPT is not yet supported", it just says it's read only.
[00:40:56] <luroh> yes, correct. that's the current behavior of DriveSetup
[00:41:36] <luroh> instead, you can use mkfs
[00:41:44] <arselinux> I'm going to
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[00:46:04] <umccullough> yeah, looks like internally, it's unsupported: http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/partitioning_systems/intel/PartitionMapParser.cpp#293
[00:46:18] <umccullough> 329		ERROR(("Error: Disk is GPT-formatted: "
[00:46:18] <umccullough> 330			"GPT disks are currently unsupported.\n"));
[00:46:26] <umccullough> but he left
[00:47:41] <luroh> is that written to syslog only?
[00:47:50] <luroh> the error message, i mean
[00:48:44] <umccullough> i think so
[00:48:53] <umccullough> it returns failure to the calling function
[00:49:08] <luroh> or perhaps stderr, when building
[00:49:08] <umccullough> so, i guess that probably assumes: "I can't do anything with this..."
[00:49:43] <umccullough> in any case, axel was pretty honest that he never really finished it
[00:50:02] <umccullough> so, treating GPT partitions as readonly is probably a "safe bet" for the meantime
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[00:50:51] <umccullough> technically, GPT should be separated into its own partitioning_system module
[00:51:01] <luroh> yep.  it's a nice error message, too bad it apparently isn't shown when using DriveSetup
[00:51:03] <umccullough> but there are *some* ties with the intel partition map
[00:51:34] <luroh> the hybrid disk situation, you mean?
[00:51:37] <umccullough> yeah, the problem is - DriveSetup relies on the storage kit API, which really just passes through the kernel partition handlers
[00:51:43] <luroh> ah ok
[00:51:58] <umccullough> right, most often, a GPT disk will write a dummy MBR (intel partition table) stating that its type is GPT
[00:52:09] <umccullough> that prevents old partitioning tools from screwing stuff up
[00:52:29] <umccullough> and my guess is that's all we still support
[00:52:48] <luroh> yeah, tricky stuff.  we'll have to deal with it sooner or later
[00:53:05] * luroh wonders what the Intel/GPT ratio is out there
[00:53:08] <umccullough> the GPT stuff is actully here: http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/partitioning_systems/gpt/
[00:53:27] <umccullough> well, with disks getting pretty big now, intel has hit the limit
[00:53:50] <umccullough> and windows formats GPT by default now
[00:53:51] <luroh> yeah that's what i meant. gpt isn't going anywhere
[00:54:14] <umccullough> iirc, mbr/intel has a 2tb limit
[00:54:21] <umccullough> per partition
[00:54:27] <luroh> yep
[00:54:39] <umccullough> "nobody will ever need more than 2tb"
[00:54:40] <umccullough> :)
[00:55:13] <umccullough> also, thankfully, gpt eliminates the whole primary/logical partition disaster
[00:56:35] <luroh> it's pretty convenient to fiddle with this using vbox/vmware dynamically allocated disks
[00:57:29] <luroh> huge disk sizes, i mean
[00:59:06] <luroh> on a different note, time to hit the sack here. g'nite!
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[03:21:46] <dexterk> so pity ,haiku installation blocked in my r60e
[03:21:54] <dexterk> just can not handle my keyboard and mouse
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[09:47:54] <mmu_man> ohh it works again \o/
[09:48:04] <mmu_man> stupid ISP DNS lost irc.freenode.net
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[10:02:20] <mmu_man> is our website down?
[10:02:25] <mmu_man> or just for me?
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[10:08:16] <stippi> I just used dev.haiku-os.org
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[10:08:34] <stippi> www.haiku-os.org works fine too
[10:12:25] <mmu_man> works now
[10:12:42] <gordonjcp> works for me
[10:19:57] <PulkoMandy> I still can't get to cgit.haiku-os.org
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[10:20:08] <PulkoMandy> main website looks ok
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[10:51:52] <tidux|haiku> hi everyone
[10:53:38] <gordonjcp> tidux|haiku: morning
[10:54:09] <tidux|haiku> has the radeon driver been getting a lot of work lateley?
[10:54:16] <tidux|haiku> I seem to have lost acceleration on HD6310
[10:54:19] <gordonjcp> I saw some commits
[10:54:23] <tidux|haiku> *lately
[10:54:49] <PulkoMandy> we never had acceleration
[10:55:25] <tidux|haiku> well whatever it is, I'm getting major screen tearing on window drag
[10:55:28] <tidux|haiku> more than I used to
[10:56:26] <PulkoMandy> could be the scheduler changes
[10:57:07] <PulkoMandy> or many other things
[10:57:30] <PulkoMandy> if you have time, maybe try a few older nightlies to try to spot when that started
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[10:58:30] <tidux|haiku> maybe this weekend
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[11:26:07] <tidux|haiku> PulkoMandy, any idea when there was a lot of work done on HD Audio driver?
[11:26:11] <tidux|haiku> that's what this uses
[11:26:36] <PulkoMandy> I don't know about a lot of work happening
[11:26:49] <PulkoMandy> there may have been some fixes, probably by korli
[11:27:24] <tidux|haiku> alright
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[17:45:29] <Anarchos> where has «setgcc» disappeared ?
[17:46:11] <umccullough> use setarch
[17:46:15] <umccullough> and getarch
[17:47:21] <Anarchos> umccullough thanks , i would never had find it myself !
[17:48:07] <umccullough> well, if you're writing recipes, you don't have to mess with that stuff
[17:48:16] <Anarchos> setarch x86_gcc4 tells that it is not supported
[17:48:24] <umccullough> setarch x86
[17:48:28] <umccullough> that's already gcc4
[17:48:30] <Anarchos> umccullough i was used to switch to gcc4 to compile TexLive
[17:48:34] <umccullough> setarch x86_gcc2 for gcc2
[17:48:53] <Anarchos> getarch tells x86_gcc2
[17:48:53] <umccullough> make a recipe?
[17:48:57] <Anarchos> so how to switch ?
[17:49:01] <umccullough> setarch x86
[17:49:06] <umccullough> that is gcc4
[17:49:18] * Anarchos is not making a recipe, just trying to compile texlive first, the recipe will come after :)
[17:49:20] <Anarchos> thanks
[17:49:33] <umccullough> sometimes making the recipe is simpler :P
[17:50:09] <Anarchos> not sure !
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[17:50:22] <Anarchos> i had to modify some tricky configure files for texlive
[17:50:23] <umccullough> <shrug> it makes a full environment to work in
[17:50:45] <umccullough> it takes some learning, however
[17:52:34] <umccullough> once it creates the workdir, you can go in and start changing things - since the workdir is in a git repo, you can then generate a diff with all the changes you made while working on it
[17:52:49] <umccullough> and create a patch for your recipe
[17:54:14] <umccullough> or something like that
[18:03:39] <Anarchos> umccullough i know, but the texlive repo has commits everyday, so not easy for a diff
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[18:06:25] <umccullough> when you write a recipe, you're supposed to specify to obtain a certain revision from the remote repo so that the recipe doesn't break :)
[18:06:58] <Anarchos> umccullough but i have to ensure that the revision may be stable ;)
[18:07:08] <umccullough> right
[18:07:35] <umccullough> usually, you use a recent tagged "stable" version to start with, and then create whatever patch necessary to make it work with your recipe
[18:07:50] <umccullough> and upstream the patch if necessary so the next time you don't have to patch it
[18:08:35] <umccullough> anyhow, i'm no expert on porting software, and there are dedicated mailing lists for this type of stuff, so...
[18:08:43] <umccullough> i'll bbl
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[22:54:44] <irker-885> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46817 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a6db6bd+%5E339a018
[22:54:45] <irker-885>     a6db6bd: Added WIP support for affine transformations to BViews.
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[23:01:06] <mmu_man> _3dEyes: you know you can send patches for tinysvg :p
[23:01:46] <Anarchos> mmu_man i am rebuilding texlive with a cleaner port :)
[23:01:59] <Anarchos> thanks to the /usr/bin trick in the runtime_loader !
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[23:03:20] <_3dEyes> mmu_man: I know. But I'm lazy. I difficult to build the latest version of nesurf.
[23:03:53] <mmu_man> hmm not that much
[23:03:59] <mmu_man> there is an env.sh script that helps
[23:04:03] <mmu_man> and now it should support haiku
[23:06:04] <_3dEyes> mmu_man: I'll try it. But I don't want to have a lot of dependencies for the svgtranslator.
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[23:06:37] <mmu_man> I started fixing the recipes but I had to fix the build several times first
[23:06:45] <mmu_man> well they are all static though
[23:07:03] <Gedrin> netsurf 3?
[23:07:44] <mmu_man> well the current tree yes
[23:08:02] <Gedrin> oh yes!! :D
[23:10:05] <_3dEyes> mmu_man: nanosvg does not require dependencies. placed in two header 60 and 20 kilobytes in size. very easy to use.
[23:10:44] <Anarchos> Gedrin what is netsurf3 ?
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[23:11:40] <Gedrin> its a browser with a really neat engine. netsurf-browser.org
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[23:19:21] <Anarchos> Gedrin ok thanks
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[23:32:14] <Anarchos> do we have fontconfig on haiku ?
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[23:57:54] <irker-885> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46818 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=63a30a4+%5Ea6db6bd
[23:57:54] <irker-885>     897f556: Remove transform again from drawing coord conversion
[23:57:54] <irker-885>     2e7da84: Fixed execute bits of AGG headers.
[23:57:55] <irker-885>     63a30a4: Implemented using the transformation in Painter (incomplete)
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