February 3, 2014 
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i think fat32 didn't really[19:37:04] <umccullough> or, maybe it did..i can't remember :)[19:37:10] *** fhein has joined #haiku[19:37:11] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[19:37:11] <umccullough> yeah, it did[19:37:13] <gordonjcp> pretty sure it did[19:37:14] <Skipp_OSX> this is interesting... http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/exfat/exfat.h#n75[19:37:24] <gordonjcp> didn't FAT support volume names all the way back?[19:37:27] * umccullough remembers setting the LABEL[19:37:33] <umccullough> in dos[19:37:37] <puckipedia> yep[19:37:42] <umccullough> i'm probably thinking of ext2 or something else :/[19:37:44] <puckipedia> I can remember[19:37:59] <gordonjcp> oh interesting[19:38:21] <gordonjcp> wonder if that's set as the label somewhere else[19:38:28] <Skipp_OSX> umccullough, it might apply, I'm not sure[19:38:29] * gordonjcp should invest in an ExFAT stick[19:38:40] <umccullough> gordonjcp, it's just a filesystem[19:38:45] <umccullough> you can format any stick as exfat :D[19:38:57] *** comrad has joined #haiku[19:39:07] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[19:39:10] <umccullough> unless that was a pun[19:39:53] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[19:40:03] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[19:43:49] <gordonjcp> umccullough: oh, okay, I thought that was the new hawtness for high-speed USB[19:43:57] <umccullough> nah[19:44:00] <gordonjcp> I need to buy some new USB sticks anyway[19:44:05] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, it's just an fs[19:44:11] <umccullough> exfat is microsoft's answer to "fat32 sucks on large disks"[19:44:27] <umccullough> so, exfat is what a lot of new cameras and stuff will use to store images on sd cards, etc.[19:44:28] <Skipp_OSX> basically it's fat64[19:44:46] <umccullough> it also eliminates the 2gb filesize limit[19:44:54] <umccullough> or...alleviates it[19:51:32] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[19:53:57] *** kkux has joined #haiku[19:54:11] *** kkux has quit IRC[19:54:36] <Skipp_OSX> well, I think there is a bug in the exfat fs because Fat32 seems to set the Volume name correctly[19:55:02] *** kkux has joined #haiku[19:56:07] <gordonjcp> hm, what can I use to format an exfat partition?[19:56:30] *** kkux has quit IRC[19:56:37] <Skipp_OSX> not Haiku unfortunately... at least I didn't see the option[19:57:00] <Skipp_OSX> I did it in OS X, but, Windows and Linux can probably do it too somehow[19:57:32] <umccullough> i'm sure there's an exfat module for linux[19:57:45] <umccullough> and yeah, newer versions of windows[19:58:05] <Skipp_OSX> it's strange that Haiku only gives you options to format BeFS and NTFS when i can read (and write?) at least a few more than that, ext2/3/4, fat32, exfat[19:58:32] <Skipp_OSX> Windows >= Vista I believe, maybe Win7[19:58:40] * NumberNoid dances[19:58:46] <NumberNoid> GTX 770 plugged in[19:58:50] <NumberNoid> woops wrong IRC[19:58:50] <Skipp_OSX> and OS X 10.6+[19:59:01] <Skipp_OSX> NumberNoid, hehe, put Haiku on it![19:59:59] <NumberNoid> Skipp_OSX need more hard drives in that case[20:00:07] <Skipp_OSX> hehe, okay, carry on[20:00:08] <NumberNoid> only other one is taken up by linux mint[20:00:26] <Skipp_OSX> We probably don't have very good support for that card anyway[20:01:24] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:02:40] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[20:03:18] <umccullough> i'd say we have zero support for anything nvidia from this decade :P[20:03:21] *** tidux has joined #haiku[20:03:26] <NumberNoid> Skipp_OSX I can help if you want, well, provided you give me a hdd[20:03:40] *** kkux has quit IRC[20:03:45] <umccullough> haiku only uses a few gb disk space - partition it :)[20:03:47] <NumberNoid> umccullough I could run my AMD one side by side since this PSU is 650w[20:04:06] <tidux> so is the haiku-os website down?[20:04:12] <umccullough> i hope not[20:04:13] <tidux> I can't open it from two different ISPs[20:04:15] <NumberNoid> umccullough within 2gb?[20:04:20] <tidux> elinks says "no route to host"[20:04:23] <umccullough> tidux, i think we're doing some server maintenance[20:04:28] <umccullough> so it might be down atm[20:04:29] <tidux> ah ok[20:04:40] <umccullough> upgrading suse to a newer version iirc[20:04:45] <tidux> just as long as it's planned downtime and not server-on-fire[20:04:53] <tidux> oh, it's hosted on suse? interesting[20:05:44] <umccullough> it's actually hosted in a VM running suse on a root server also running suse[20:05:47] <puckipedia> Quick question: What´s the best desktop linux according to you?[20:05:47] <tidux> ＳＵＳＥＣＥＰＴＩＯＮ[20:05:48] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[20:05:48] *** dickson.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[20:05:58] <puckipedia> ugh[20:05:59] <puckipedia> Too late[20:06:08] <puckipedia> Can you setup vt-x emulation?[20:06:10] <tidux> well my needs are weird[20:06:19] <tidux> so for me it's Debian[20:06:20] <umccullough> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-sysadmin/Announcement-of-system-upgrades,2[20:06:21] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:06:33] <tidux> but in terms of an "out of the box" experience, probably Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora[20:06:35] <tidux> those are all good[20:06:46] <gordonjcp> I use Ubuntu[20:06:54] <umccullough> i use mint[20:06:56] <tidux> I have a Fedora 20 system and a Debian system[20:07:00] <gordonjcp> we've got some sort of Windows at work[20:07:07] <gordonjcp> it's the one that looks like KDE4[20:07:12] <umccullough> mint lmde to be exact, sometimes i run bare debian[20:07:14] <puckipedia> gordonjcp: Windows 98? lol[20:07:14] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:07:15] <tidux> Windows 7, gordonjcp[20:07:19] <gordonjcp> tidux: could be[20:07:25] <tidux> or Vista[20:07:34] <gordonjcp> anyway, yeah, Ubuntu is good[20:07:34] <tidux> is the taskbar transparent or black?[20:07:36] <gordonjcp> fit and forget[20:07:39] <gordonjcp> can't remember offhand[20:07:51] <puckipedia> If you maximize a window, does it become black?[20:08:02] <umccullough> heh[20:08:06] <gordonjcp> no idea, I'll try it tomorrow[20:08:06] <tidux> no, but if you maximize a jail sentence it does[20:08:09] * tidux flees[20:08:18] <gordonjcp> it's weird and copy and paste doesn't work[20:08:27] <tidux> odd[20:08:36] <puckipedia> PowerFuse?[20:08:44] <gordonjcp> I don't know[20:08:45] <puckipedia> Oh god, if it is PowerFuse, be glad it isn´t worse[20:08:51] <gordonjcp> select stuff, middle click, nothing happens[20:08:56] <tidux> gordonjcp: lol[20:08:57] <umccullough> lol[20:08:59] <tidux> all Windows is like that[20:09:02] <tidux> it's brain damaged[20:09:03] <umccullough> ctrl-c/ctrl-v[20:09:09] <umccullough> or right-click select copy/paste from menu[20:09:15] <gordonjcp> oh, really? Like on the old Atari STs?[20:09:17] <tidux> you need a SEPARATE DAEMON for a proper compose key on Windows[20:09:19] <tidux> it's madness[20:09:26] <tidux> http://allchars.sourceforge.net/[20:09:52] <tidux> and programs that expect to write to stdout can't just silently redirect it, they pop open a cmd.exe window[20:09:55] <tidux> ヽ( ｡ ヮﾟ)ノ[20:10:09] <puckipedia> tidux: Actually, that´s just console apps[20:10:21] <tidux> puckipedia: nah I've seen some SDL stuff that needs a console window[20:10:27] <umccullough> iirc, there's a way to silence that, but few apps bother[20:10:39] <puckipedia> tidux: Blame the creators, they didn´t turn it into a normal app but a console app[20:10:48] <tidux> probably because they're all quick-n-dirty win32 ports of *x software[20:10:53] <umccullough> yep[20:10:58] <tidux> just so people would stop whining about a win32 binary[20:11:02] <puckipedia> gordonjcp: If you can remember, does it look like http://www.eightforums.com/attachments/tutorials/7857d1345230655-upgrade-install-windows-8-windows-8-1-step-1.jpg or http://www.eightforums.com/attachments/tutorials/2579d1318043430-dual-boot-installation-windows-8-windows-7-vista-sources.jpg?[20:11:11] <gordonjcp> think it's Windows 7[20:11:32] <puckipedia> If it is one of those two, it is 7[20:11:44] <puckipedia> (first is Aero disabled)[20:11:58] <umccullough> for me, aero disables itself whenever I run something like webex :P[20:12:13] <umccullough> which i spend a lot of time doing for work[20:12:26] <umccullough> gets irritating, sometimes i think i shoud just disable it manually all the time[20:12:31] <puckipedia> umccullough: Yeah, that´s when developers get lazy[20:12:53] <tidux> Windows developers are lazy dirtbags, film at 11[20:13:12] <umccullough> i can imagine that there may be performance penalties doing transparency across the wire[20:13:39] <tidux> mostly in CPU penalties since it's not hardware accelerated[20:13:47] <tidux> bits are bits, and you're sending the same number of pixels[20:14:00] <puckipedia> umccullough: It doesn´t, it is because of weird pixel tricks that can´t be composited easily[20:14:02] <tidux> although IIRC RDP itself didn't support transparency until 2008[20:14:03] <umccullough> plus webex allows you to share just a single app[20:14:22] <tidux> so like, ssh -X but backwards?[20:15:08] <umccullough> puckipedia, i had assumed the 3d hardware is responsible for a lot of the compositing in aero[20:16:01] <puckipedia> Exactly[20:16:14] <umccullough> in any case, I will often only share a couple apps on webex, and in that case, transparency with other apps involved could become quite nasty i imagine[20:16:14] *** gbonvehi has quit IRC[20:16:20] <puckipedia> But what they do with the pixels doesn´t work with aero[20:16:44] *** gbonvehi has joined #haiku[20:17:11] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[20:17:22] <umccullough> plus, thankfully, none of those fade in/fade out notifications from outlook show up on the other guy's screen :D[20:17:37] <umccullough> or IM clients[20:17:48] <puckipedia> That´s a different window ofc[20:17:53] <umccullough> right[20:18:13] <umccullough> and if it was a pure screen-scrape, that would be an issue[20:19:09] <umccullough> gah, i need a new 120mm fan for this build slave machine[20:19:12] <umccullough> driving me nuts[20:19:44] <puckipedia> Need a steering wheel?[20:20:19] <puckipedia> Sorry, stupid joke[20:20:19] <puckipedia> http://www.jokes.com/funny-partying---bad-behavior/8qjhz2/a-pirate-walks-into-a-bar----[20:20:30] <puckipedia> Also, I should clear my temp folder: http://i.imgur.com/umjvZWM.jpg[20:20:45] <umccullough> :P[20:21:02] <puckipedia> 14 GB of After Effects cache![20:21:15] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[20:21:22] <umccullough> i was gonne ask what ae meant[20:22:09] <puckipedia> Moving most of my data to the Data disk, and backing that up[20:22:28] <puckipedia> Afterwards, going to install both Windows and some kind of linux (probably Ubuntu/Fedora)[20:22:35] <umccullough> hmm...windirstat eh?[20:22:46] <umccullough> does it work on UNC paths?[20:22:50] <puckipedia> I guess so[20:22:54] <puckipedia> Else, you can map them[20:22:58] <umccullough> true[20:23:05] <puckipedia> It works on folders, so unc paths too[20:23:09] <puckipedia> It might be a tad slow[20:23:09] <umccullough> my 2tb NAS is 95% full[20:23:20] <umccullough> my other 2tb nas is only 7% full...[20:23:22] <puckipedia> du | sort | head -n[20:23:24] <umccullough> i need to start moving stuff[20:23:38] <umccullough> yeah, i could probably ssh into it[20:23:44] <puckipedia> ah[20:23:56] <umccullough> and use nfs to move stuff...[20:24:00] <puckipedia> du | sort -r | head -n 1000 | xargs rm[20:24:04] *** kcj has joined #haiku[20:24:05] <puckipedia> sorry[20:24:08] <umccullough> :P[20:24:16] <puckipedia> find -name * | sort -r | wc -l[20:24:34] <puckipedia> then take that number, half it and do find -iname * | sort -r | head -n $numberhere | xargs rm -rf[20:24:37] * umccullough stops trusting puckipedia[20:24:58] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[20:25:22] <puckipedia> Or, :(){ :|:& }[20:25:55] <umccullough> what's that, a fork bomb?[20:26:03] <puckipedia> yep[20:26:09] * umccullough smacks puckipedia[20:26:15] <puckipedia> Did anyone test if that breaks Haiku on the new scheduler?[20:26:27] <umccullough> by "breaks"... you mean[20:26:34] <puckipedia> hangs[20:26:40] <umccullough> as opposed to[20:26:53] <puckipedia> Being able to navigate to the desklet and kill bash[20:26:58] <umccullough> heh[20:27:05] <umccullough> let me know how that goes :)[20:27:47] <puckipedia> Doing a self-test for school (online), I get a message: ¨image (../../assets/random-guid-asdf¨ ¨not loaded...¨[20:27:56] <puckipedia> It should show text, not an image[20:28:25] <luroh> then what's the problem, you got text[20:28:26] *** kcj has quit IRC[20:28:44] <puckipedia> It should show an optimistic text about how well you answered the question[20:28:51] <luroh> ;)[20:29:26] <umccullough> sounds like maybe they're generating an image of the resulting text?[20:29:33] *** kcj has joined #haiku[20:29:38] <puckipedia> It could be, it´s flash after all[20:29:40] <umccullough> perhaps to prevent gaming the system[20:29:52] <puckipedia> Lol, It isn´t even for a mark[20:29:56] <umccullough> heh[20:30:12] <umccullough> software probably over-engineered by some crappy 3rd party developer[20:30:38] <puckipedia> I once got this message: ¨In this piece of text, the answer could be literally found. No wonder the answer is now correct¨ (translated)[20:30:53] <puckipedia> I just realised, that piece of text didn´t have the answer[20:46:01] *** axeld has joined #haiku[20:46:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:48:38] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[20:52:04] <puckipedia> My Downloads folder is 23GB! I´m happy to be able to clean it up[20:57:11] <Skipp_OSX> maybe somebody here knows where a filesystem gets it's mount point from in the kernel[20:57:57] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[20:58:51] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:00:59] <puckipedia> Skipp_OSX: Seems to happen here: http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/servers/mount/AutoMounter.cpp#551[21:01:18] <puckipedia> And then, the volume creates its own name: http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/exfat/Volume.cpp#291[21:01:48] <puckipedia> (deviceName == NULL)[21:03:47] <Skipp_OSX> still don't see where the mount point is named though...[21:04:40] *** orealis has quit IRC[21:04:44] <axeld> Skipp_OSX: the file system reports its name via the read_fs_info() hook (or similar)[21:04:53] <axeld> That is used for the mount name[21:04:56] <axeld> anyway, bye[21:05:00] *** axeld has quit IRC[21:05:25] *** orealis has joined #haiku[21:08:41] <Skipp_OSX> that... doesn't seem to be true, it gets the volume name from there, but, not the mount point[21:08:50] <Skipp_OSX> unless I'm reading the code wrong[21:09:54] <Skipp_OSX> the volume name is correct, but, the mount point is wrong, I would think they should be the same, but they're not in this case[21:11:34] <puckipedia> Skipp_OSX: Hum? http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/kits/storage/disk_device/Partition.cpp#457[21:11:43] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:13:34] <Skipp_OSX> ok, that seems like it should get the mount point from the volume name...[21:13:52] <puckipedia> I guess it´s ExFat?[21:13:56] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[21:14:08] <Skipp_OSX> puckipedia, well, something doesn't seem to be set right in exfat[21:14:43] <stargater> Skipp_OSX: hi and works it ?[21:14:56] <Skipp_OSX> stargater, say again?[21:15:09] <tidux> website's back up[21:15:32] <stargater> deskbareyes[21:15:45] <umccullough> tidux, yeah, looks like the VMs came online about 6-7 mins ago[21:15:50] <Skipp_OSX> oh, let's talk privately about that[21:16:03] <stargater> ok[21:16:11] <puckipedia> Skipp_OSX: Found it[21:17:03] <puckipedia> ContentName is from the partitionData, which is set to super_block.filesystem, which is always EXFAT_SUPER_BLOCK_MAGIX[21:17:05] <puckipedia> MAGIC*[21:17:05] *** Drakevr has joined #haiku[21:18:22] <Skipp_OSX> okay, that would explain it[21:18:37] <Skipp_OSX> I mean, super_block.filesystem is EXFAT_SUPER_BLOCK_MAGIC I can see that[21:18:37] <umccullough> sounds like the ContentName for exfat shouldn't be the magic in this case :)[21:18:45] <puckipedia> That was fun[21:18:53] <puckipedia> Here: http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/exfat/kernel_interface.cpp#85[21:19:03] <puckipedia> / TODO volume name isn't in the superblock[21:19:06] <puckipedia> // TODO volume name isn't in the superblock*[21:19:30] <umccullough> heh[21:19:44] <umccullough> IOW: "i dunno where to get it, so... this should be enough for now"[21:19:46] <puckipedia> I would say, known issue[21:19:53] *** {V} has joined #haiku[21:20:27] <puckipedia> Skipp_OSX: You´re going to fix it, or open a bug?[21:21:03] <Skipp_OSX> puckipedia, I think opening a bug report and attaching a fix is the best way[21:21:10] <puckipedia> okay[21:21:17] <Skipp_OSX> that way if I fix it wrong there is peer review[21:21:25] <umccullough> looks like the volume name is read in, though[21:21:49] <puckipedia> Did anyone say, facepalm?[21:21:53] <Skipp_OSX> okay so, partition->content_name gets put into the mount point somehow?[21:22:14] <puckipedia> http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/kits/storage/disk_device/Partition.cpp#457[21:22:24] <puckipedia> GetMountPoint sets the BPath[21:22:59] <Skipp_OSX> ahh I see, volumeName = ContentName()[21:23:07] <umccullough> right[21:23:16] <Skipp_OSX> puckipedia, okay, I think you've tracked this one down[21:23:20] <umccullough> the problem is, the partition scan doesn't get the volume name from the filesystem info[21:23:30] <umccullough> it's done elsewhere in the exfat code, however[21:23:51] <umccullough> here: http://grok.bikemonkey.org/source/xref/haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/exfat/kernel_interface.cpp#152[21:24:00] *** tidux has left #haiku[21:24:56] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[21:25:26] <puckipedia> You should be able to call it from scan[21:26:52] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[21:29:10] <puckipedia> brb, reboot[21:29:45] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[21:31:00] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[21:36:57] *** Gedrin has joined #haiku[21:37:06] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[21:39:57] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[21:40:10] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[21:40:36] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[21:49:23] *** JoFo has quit IRC[21:49:23] *** JoFo_ has quit IRC[21:52:30] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[21:52:57] *** JoFo has joined #haiku[21:54:23] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[22:02:43] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[22:04:03] *** paul0 has quit IRC[22:07:20] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:07:58] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[22:10:03] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[22:11:47] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[22:17:17] *** gbonvehi has quit IRC[22:17:17] *** gbonvehi has joined #haiku[22:23:12] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:23:41] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[22:24:19] <luroh> Skipp_OSX: fancy trying your hand at fixing/improving #2864? layout, icons, desktop, tracker... it's screaming your name :)[22:24:44] <luroh> i've thought about it for a long time but forgot to ask you[22:25:22] <Skipp_OSX> luroh, hmm, that might be a similar bug to one I followed[22:25:25] <Skipp_OSX> err filed[22:25:53] <luroh> the most recent one, you mean?[22:26:00] <Skipp_OSX> luroh, no, another[22:26:10] <Skipp_OSX> but I can't be bothered to look it up now[22:26:20] <luroh> ah, right, that would make more sense :)[22:26:24] <Skipp_OSX> it's about new folders being created on top of each other[22:26:32] <luroh> i see[22:26:42] <luroh> i'm sure i can find it[22:26:43] <Skipp_OSX> see... what Tracker needs is a grid[22:27:23] <luroh> it sort of has one, if you "clean up icons"[22:27:32] <Skipp_OSX> it needs a grid, let's say 2x the icon width, so, for 64x64 icons you got 128x128 squares in your grid[22:27:38] <luroh> but yeah, i know what you mean[22:28:49] <Skipp_OSX> well, the sort of is the problem, it needs to be able to ask questions like, is there an icon already in this square of my grid? what is the next available square? is Deskbar in this square? things like that[22:28:56] <PulkoMandy> 128x128 grid... are we cloning NeXT now?[22:29:20] <luroh> Skipp_OSX: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8248 ?[22:29:27] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, does NeXTStep have a 128x128 grid? I don't even know[22:29:31] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: it already manages to avoid the deskbar, and alt+shift+k does the grid thing[22:29:39] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: no, but they have huge icons like this[22:29:59] <PulkoMandy> (they had high resolution display, too)[22:30:26] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, well, I meant for there to be space around the icons[22:30:53] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:31:02] <PulkoMandy> alt+shift+k manages to do that I think[22:31:20] <PulkoMandy> the problems I had with overlapping icons on desktopis mostly when they come from different sources[22:31:39] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, if you're in Haiku right now, do me this favor[22:31:42] <PulkoMandy> for example, installing haiku over an existing install, you can end up with two icons on the same place[22:31:48] <PulkoMandy> I always am in Haiku :)[22:32:03] <Skipp_OSX> move your icons out of the top left corner of your Desktop, then zoom in a few times[22:32:26] <Skipp_OSX> Alt+Plus[22:33:08] <Skipp_OSX> that is f-ed up[22:33:49] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[22:33:59] *** PlkMdy has joined #haiku[22:34:16] <Skipp_OSX> and I can't snap to grid, it's frustrating... but not a huge problem, just needs to be updated someday[22:34:22] <arselinux> Quick question: Is installing Haiku on a GPT partition table not supported yet?[22:34:43] *** Tzibu has joined #haiku[22:35:07] <Skipp_OSX> luroh, that's not the ticket I was thinking of, but that's another good one[22:35:32] <PlkMdy> Skipp_OSX: mh... I think we have a problem with the way we define the spacing[22:35:51] <PlkMdy> we add some space between the icons to make the grid, and this is adjusted depending on the icon size[22:36:15] <PlkMdy> but, the thing that define the size (for me at least) is the name of the icons[22:36:22] <PlkMdy> and this doesn't change depending on the icon size[22:36:47] <PlkMdy> so, our policy works well with small icons, and not as well with bigger ones[22:36:48] <Skipp_OSX> PlkMdy, name should wrap[22:37:10] *** 23LAA3FUW has left #haiku[22:37:28] <PlkMdy> it gets truncated[22:37:38] <Skipp_OSX> or that[22:37:59] *** ec_ has joined #haiku[22:38:09] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[22:38:13] <PlkMdy> I think wrapped names are a waste of space[22:38:21] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:38:27] <PlkMdy> a tooltip with the full name would be nice, however :)[22:38:31] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:38:33] <Skipp_OSX> With the zooming maybe it doesn't reset the icon positions to the new origin[22:39:06] <Skipp_OSX> PlkMdy, hey, that's not a bad idea[22:39:25] <PlkMdy> yes, the zooming seems to do strange stuff[22:39:32] <Skipp_OSX> where's our Tracker guy?[22:39:38] <Skipp_OSX> we need one of them[22:39:55] <PlkMdy> none of us wrote Tracker... that's Be code[22:40:10] <PlkMdy> aldeck did some work in the tracker_refactoring branch but this never got merged[22:40:10] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[22:40:21] <Skipp_OSX> yeah I know... I must look into that someday[22:40:43] <Skipp_OSX> it's gonna be difficult to merge though now[22:40:43] <PlkMdy> what I think happens with zoom in/out is the icons are first moved to the same position on the new grid[22:41:01] <PlkMdy> but then the ones that end up out of screen or under deskbar are wrapped[22:41:28] <PlkMdy> and, as the text label doesn't change width, even just the zooming can have unexpected effects[22:41:39] *** nathanhi- has joined #haiku[22:42:09] *** iMe has quit IRC[22:42:14] *** luroh has quit IRC[22:42:16] *** Tzibu_ has quit IRC[22:42:18] *** Gareth has quit IRC[22:42:22] *** ec has quit IRC[22:42:24] *** munchausen has quit IRC[22:42:29] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[22:42:46] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[22:42:48] *** nathanhi has quit IRC[22:42:54] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:42:58] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:42:58] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:43:07] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[22:43:08] *** iMe has joined #haiku[22:43:58] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[22:44:23] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:45:07] <luroh> (sorry, got disconnected a good while ago, reading backlog now)[22:46:40] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:48:48] <umccullough> pny 128gb usb stick for $30 after rebate[22:48:55] <umccullough> well, $31[22:50:29] <luroh> after reading the backlog, i'd just like to add that i note that newly created *files* do not appear on the desktop as overlapping icons[22:50:30] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:50:40] <luroh> (try e.g. 'touch ~/Desktop/file1 ~/Desktop/file2 ~/Desktop/file3')[22:52:39] <umccullough> arselinux, not sure you were answered earlier - haiku's GPT support is limited and not working properly[22:52:58] *** munchausen has joined #haiku[22:53:02] <umccullough> it likely won't boot[22:54:51] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:54:52] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[22:55:53] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[22:55:59] <arselinux> umccullough: Thanks[22:56:14] <arselinux> It just said the disk was read-only, and I figured GPT wasn't supported.[22:56:40] <umccullough> it's still work-in-progress[22:57:32] *** Prognoz has joined #haiku[22:57:59] *** kcj has quit IRC[23:02:35] *** iMe_ has quit IRC[23:02:46] *** iMe has quit IRC[23:03:05] *** iMe has joined #haiku[23:08:00] *** PlkMdy has quit IRC[23:14:58] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:19:17] *** comrad has quit IRC[23:23:04] *** kkux has quit IRC[23:24:11] *** kkux has joined #haiku[23:27:32] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[23:28:22] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[23:30:31] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:33:59] *** yosafbridge has joined #haiku[23:39:13] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[23:40:03] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[23:40:15] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[23:43:25] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[23:43:44] *** jua_ has quit IRC[23:49:53] *** nighty^ has quit IRC[23:52:45] *** iMe has quit IRC