September 12, 2012 
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I really wish entourage hadnt gone under :([03:36:47] <dreamed> new lumia 800 for work looks fun[03:36:48] <helf> ah fun[03:36:51] <helf> moving sucks[03:36:52] <dreamed> oh?[03:36:55] <dreamed> tell me about it[03:36:59] <dreamed> I move on average every 7 months[03:37:04] <dreamed> I'm so over it[03:37:35] <helf> yeah, I used the edge during a lecture to take notes on the eink and had it recording on the android. i was ~15 feet from the lecturer who wasnt using a mic and not talking super loud and it picked her up fine. im impressed. it recorded for a solid 82 minutes and didnt complain.[03:37:47] <helf> 7 months? why so often?[03:38:23] <dreamed> either the house is shit, the situation changes (i.e. want to flat with someone / break up with partner), or something like the house gets sold[03:38:37] <helf> lame[03:38:42] * helf is so glad he owns his house[03:38:47] <helf> it needs a shitload of work, but its mine[03:39:19] <helf> http://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/sets/72157629908609505/[03:39:30] <helf> inheritence i guess. needs wiring, and crap[03:39:41] <helf> *inheritance[03:40:23] <dreamed> right[03:40:28] <dreamed> it's cute[03:40:53] <dreamed> part of the problem is until about 3 minutes ago, near as I can tell, noone in NZ has ever insulated their houses[03:41:01] <dreamed> we're not exactly tropical here[03:41:14] <helf> heh[03:44:56] <dreamed> the house I just vacated was built circa ~1912[03:45:01] <dreamed> it was basically a bach[03:45:10] <helf> wow, pretty old. ours is ~1924[03:54:53] <jessicah> okay, i think i might have been wrong about nokia being a sinking ship[03:55:06] <jessicah> the new win8 mobiles they're bringing seem fantastic[03:55:51] <dreamed> the lumia 800 in my hand is pretty nice[03:56:01] <dreamed> the problem is none of the carriers care to market it at all, winphone that is[03:56:04] <dreamed> it's way nicer than android, so far[03:56:19] <jessicah> new phones have wireless charging[03:56:41] <dreamed> nice[03:56:56] <dreamed> yay induction[04:00:01] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[04:00:25] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[04:25:11] *** DaaT has quit IRC[04:36:25] <helf> If sprint was getting a WP8 soon, id get that instead of an iphone[04:36:37] <helf> but their earliest "maybe" date is like next summer[04:36:43] <helf> and i need a phone /now/ ..[04:37:13] <helf> I REALLY liked my HTC Arrive. I just refuse to own another slider.[04:54:50] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[04:59:12] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[05:08:55] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[05:13:58] *** DrHouse|TARDIS has joined #haiku[05:21:54] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[05:22:09] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[05:22:37] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:27:39] *** duvjones has quit IRC[05:31:19] *** CIA-81 has quit IRC[05:41:27] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:01:56] *** DaQatz has quit IRC[06:05:02] *** _marc` has quit IRC[06:43:55] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[06:44:27] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[06:46:01] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[06:46:08] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[06:49:54] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[06:49:54] *** mattlacey_ is now known as mattlacey[07:04:43] *** kcj has quit IRC[07:08:40] *** kcj has joined #haiku[07:15:33] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[07:15:52] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[07:16:42] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[07:37:58] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:45:02] *** Hubert_ has 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joined #haiku[10:09:24] *** Hubert___ has joined #haiku[10:09:42] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[10:10:06] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[10:10:19] *** Hubert___ is now known as Hubert_[10:10:56] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[10:12:07] *** Hubert__ has quit IRC[10:12:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.[10:13:28] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[10:15:09] *** valerius has quit IRC[10:15:42] <jessicah> hihi brobostigon[10:15:56] <brobostigon> good morning jessicah[10:17:47] <jessicah> how're you?[10:19:54] <brobostigon> jessicah: not bad, busy day to come, and you?[10:21:13] <jessicah> been okay[10:21:19] <brobostigon> :)[10:21:20] <jessicah> got frozen biking home[10:21:24] <brobostigon> :([10:21:31] <jessicah> rain was like little ice needles[10:21:36] <jessicah> despite the sun being out[10:21:39] <brobostigon> not nice.[10:29:42] *** adb has quit IRC[10:34:50] *** TimKack has quit IRC[10:35:41] *** valerius has joined #haiku[10:38:38] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[10:43:04] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has joined #haiku[10:46:13] *** dn4 has quit IRC[10:47:33] *** bazaar has quit IRC[10:47:38] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[10:47:46] *** bazaar has joined #haiku[10:47:51] *** Hubert__ has joined #haiku[10:48:42] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[10:48:46] *** Hubert__ is now known as Hubert_[10:50:31] <Hubert_> re[10:50:51] <Hubert_> what is the release date for A4 ?[10:51:28] <jessicah> 5 years[10:51:46] <jessicah> it's not set in stone yet, afaik[10:51:56] <jessicah> sometime in september, things going well[10:52:05] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[10:52:11] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[10:52:21] <brobostigon> there is still alot of work to do.[10:52:23] <jessicah> using a nightly is pretty much just as good[10:52:56] <jessicah> there's always a lot of work to do[10:53:06] <jessicah> alphas just seem to make more of it...[10:53:21] <brobostigon> yes, several people have said that, haiku unstable versions, seem to be more stable, than other OS's stable versions.[10:53:57] <jessicah> and people using nightlies helps to weed out bugs quicker imo[10:54:05] *** bazaar_ has joined #haiku[10:54:05] <brobostigon> agreed. yes.[10:54:24] <Hubert_> yep yep, but we nees stable release for people[10:54:34] <jessicah> nightlies are pretty stable[10:54:36] <Hubert_> yep yep, but we need stable release for people[10:54:41] <Hubert_> for me yes[10:54:46] <Hubert_> I know[10:54:55] <jessicah> and an alpha is no more stable than a nightly[10:55:01] <Hubert_> but marketing idea for world.........[10:55:03] <brobostigon> r1a3 is being worked on as we speak.[10:55:17] <Hubert_> a3?[10:55:17] <jessicah> r1a4 ;)[10:55:22] <jessicah> typo[10:55:23] <brobostigon> jessicah: yes, :)[10:55:36] <Hubert_> ;)[10:55:39] <brobostigon> Hubert_: release 1 alpha 4.[10:55:45] <brobostigon> 3*[10:55:49] <Hubert_> yep[10:55:58] *** bazaar has quit IRC[10:56:00] *** bazaar_ is now known as bazaar[10:56:14] <jessicah> the alphas kinda make more work these days[10:56:33] <jessicah> since people use alpha 3, complain stuff ain't working, and then have to point them to the nightlies[10:56:38] <Hubert_> come to the end of September?[10:57:12] <Hubert_> alpha3 is old and not have good posix[10:57:19] <Hubert_> ')[10:57:22] <Hubert_> etc etc[10:57:24] <brobostigon> Hubert_: may i suggest, having a look at the devlopment mailing list.[10:57:25] <Hubert_> ;)[10:57:56] <Hubert_> I was read ml and I dont see new info etc[10:58:13] <jessicah> there's a wiki page[10:58:32] <Hubert_> I ask why[10:58:53] <Hubert_> wiki? o.O[10:59:22] <jessicah> https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Alpha4/StatusAndCoordination[11:01:02] <Hubert_> yes, I know that www but thx[11:01:41] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[11:07:34] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:09:48] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:10:04] <munchausen> The default vim behaviour in haiku is horrible[11:10:57] <jessicah> that sentence can easily be reduced to "vim is horrible"[11:10:58] <jessicah> :p[11:11:11] <munchausen> It's a lot nicer when it isn't in vi compat mode![11:12:59] <munchausen> And backspaces work[11:13:20] <munchausen> And a few other things[11:13:49] <jessicah> thankfully haiku has nano[11:14:20] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[11:14:34] <Teknomancer> Pe needs to insert spaces instead of tabs[11:15:05] <Teknomancer> actually let me see if PalEdit might be any better[11:15:35] <jessicah> haiku's style guide i think uses tabs[11:16:04] <Teknomancer> yes, could be that nobody needs it in haiku[11:16:10] <Teknomancer> or those that do just use vim[11:16:13] <Teknomancer> or emacs[11:17:09] <jessicah> i prefer tabs[11:17:31] <jessicah> and the tabs vs spaces argument is moot if you follow a style guide[11:17:38] <Teknomancer> I do. i prefer spaces, plus vbox guidelines uses spaces[11:17:53] <jessicah> you work on vbox?[11:18:00] <Teknomancer> hm yeah[11:18:17] <Teknomancer> trying to integrate the haiku additions now[11:19:06] <arfonzo> ahoy, friends[11:19:08] <Teknomancer> having to do it by hand, the only diff I found includes lots of stuff that won't be getting integrated (right now)[11:19:10] <jessicah> haiku has additions, that work?[11:19:17] <Teknomancer> yes[11:19:18] <arfonzo> Teknomancer, great to hear about the guest addy work[11:19:26] <jessicah> hey arfonzo[11:19:39] <Teknomancer> it was done by kallisti5 and scgtrp, i'll just be reviewing, cleaning up and integrating[11:19:58] <arfonzo> jessicah, I've been using the guest additions for quite a while now. It's not as featureful as a supported guest addition, but it does let me copy/paste over, for example.[11:20:00] <Teknomancer> although i did start on the PCI driver a looong time ago, never got far, no time :/[11:20:11] <arfonzo> Teknomancer, what about the issue with gcc2 and the systray app?[11:20:21] <jessicah> ooh, copy/paste would be useful for sure[11:20:27] <arfonzo> jessicah, can't live without it here :)[11:20:29] <Teknomancer> it'll be gcc4 only, vbox doesn't compile fine with gcc2[11:20:45] <Teknomancer> and to be honest, i still don't see why beos needs gcc2[11:20:48] <Teknomancer> err haiku[11:20:49] <arfonzo> Teknomancer, i thought it was just the vboxtray app that needed work for gcc2?[11:21:13] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[11:21:13] <Teknomancer> No, there is kbuild and even vbox doesn't compile fine with gcc2[11:21:24] <Teknomancer> anyway R1 will be hybrid, so gcc4 is fine[11:21:27] <arfonzo> personally, I don't care much for GCC2 either. But I know the rest of the Haiku community cares, very much. heh. :)[11:21:29] <Teknomancer> plus gcc4 is the way to go anyway[11:21:36] <arfonzo> so says you and me. :|[11:21:51] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[11:21:56] <jessicah> i want to play my bepacdeluxe![11:22:03] <Teknomancer> i loved bepac deluxe[11:22:12] <Teknomancer> no source for it, huh?[11:22:20] <jessicah> if that ever gets working on haiku, you'd need gcc2[11:22:21] <jessicah> :p[11:22:23] <jessicah> nope[11:22:26] <Teknomancer> sad[11:22:27] <arfonzo> but I am happy to hear the vbox guest additions are getting some attention. It really was the first thing I looked at, when I began my Haiku life.[11:22:45] <jessicah> i use haiku on real hardware[11:22:47] <arfonzo> and it's thanks to that, that I can use haiku as my "main OS" even though it's in a VM.[11:22:48] <munchausen> Does anyone know if someone has the source code to betex?[11:22:58] <Teknomancer> it's the kbuild tools integration that took a long time, because the maintainer is busy with other thigns[11:23:00] <jessicah> unfortunately, my real hardware is probably slower than vbox on my macbook air[11:23:22] <munchausen> I just discovered that mupdf refreshes the page if you send it a HUP[11:23:57] <arfonzo> jessicah, I have it on a physical machine too, but... without something like RDP , I can't realy use it reasonably. :( I've heard it's ultra fast when on physical tin rather than VM.[11:24:35] <arfonzo> in my VM i get from boot to desktop loaded in 10 seconds flat, so that's pretty darn good already.[11:24:38] <Teknomancer> is proper user/group support implementation expected for R1 ?[11:24:43] <Teknomancer> or is everyone baron?[11:24:56] <arfonzo> Teknomancer, what do you mean by proper?[11:25:02] <arfonzo> I have been using users and groups in haiku already[11:25:16] <munchausen> It would be nice to make betex use cipris document viewer and refresh the pdf instead of re-open the document with a new instance of bepdf every time[11:25:18] <Teknomancer> i know the filesystem has it, but what abotu login etc.[11:25:51] <arfonzo> ah, I don't think the GUI will have multiuser support for r1. At least I've not seen any mention or commits eluding to such.[11:26:01] <Teknomancer> ok[11:26:13] <arfonzo> but sshd definitely needs login, for example.[11:26:31] <Teknomancer> i would sincerely hope so :P[11:27:02] <Teknomancer> anyway, back to pressing '4 spaces' for every tab i want to insert... laters[11:27:07] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[11:30:55] <jessicah> boo, multiuser[11:31:03] <jessicah> :p[11:35:25] <arfonzo> jessicah, leave your server-hating out of this. ;)[11:39:59] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[11:40:11] <jessicah> fine, booooo GUI multiuser[11:40:22] <jessicah> happy? :p[11:41:25] <arfonzo> aye[11:41:29] <jessicah> blargle[11:41:38] <jessicah> i'm so not ready for a weekend of racing[11:42:12] <arfonzo> you racing? best of luck.[11:42:25] <jessicah> i race almost every saturday[11:42:32] <jessicah> but this weekend is a bit different[11:42:40] <jessicah> have criterium saturday afternoon[11:42:57] <jessicah> and then 90km road race sunday morning[11:43:26] <arfonzo> yikes, that's a journey[11:43:30] <jessicah> the road race is tough[11:43:51] <jessicah> and we've had light snow out in the country apparently[11:44:01] <jessicah> (explains the freezing cold last couple days)[11:44:15] <jessicah> which is likely to make the 90km race a lil treacherous[11:44:42] <jessicah> comprises a fast winding descent[11:45:24] <jessicah> snow in spring time... =/[11:48:20] <arfonzo> oh man, I've had a few interesting moments on my bike in the snow, back when I lived in Canada.[11:48:34] <arfonzo> mostly, me eating snow.[11:48:55] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:49:00] <jessicah> lol[11:49:19] <jessicah> i've never ridden in snow[11:50:35] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[11:55:09] *** Sintendo has joined #haiku[11:55:15] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[11:55:34] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[11:59:19] <jessicah> =/[11:59:26] <jessicah> my heart rate monitor is messed up[12:02:59] *** ismd has quit IRC[12:03:24] *** ismd has joined #haiku[12:08:54] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[12:09:25] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[12:14:57] *** f1assistance has joined #haiku[12:22:17] *** bazaar has quit IRC[12:24:14] <arfonzo> hm, anyone tried building a fairly recent nightly? I keep KDLing. I'm on hrev44618-1-g26d7fb4.[12:25:01] <arfonzo> "PANIC: no space in log after sync (408 for 2007 blocks)!"[12:25:43] <jessicah> there are tickets for it[12:26:03] <jessicah> been quite a few KDLs of that sort very recently[12:28:09] <arfonzo> hm, yes indeed. I haven't been able to build Haiku successfully in a month or more. :([12:28:16] <arfonzo> I'll hunt for the tickets[12:28:55] *** dant3_work has joined #haiku[12:31:49] <jessicah> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8910 and should be related ones in there[12:31:53] *** dant3_at_work has quit IRC[12:32:44] <jessicah> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8942 < one i looking for[12:33:08] <arfonzo> Thanks, I'm currently checking out #8969[12:33:43] <jessicah> yeah, that's the same issue :)[12:35:29] <jessicah> new series of fringe in a couple weeks[12:35:30] *** Tsyesika has quit IRC[12:35:32] <jessicah> excited :D[12:35:51] *** Tsyesika has joined #haiku[12:36:02] <jessicah> wrong keyboard shortcut, Tsyesika?[12:36:08] <Tsyesika> yeh[12:36:38] <Tsyesika> >.<[12:37:17] *** RQ has joined #haiku[12:57:45] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[13:07:20] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[13:08:26] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:09:00] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[13:23:03] *** f1assistance has left #haiku[13:32:56] *** orealis has quit IRC[13:38:42] *** orealis has joined #haiku[13:41:45] *** adb has joined #haiku[13:43:33] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[13:45:10] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[13:49:56] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[14:05:30] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[14:43:41] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:44:09] *** {V} has quit IRC[14:44:19] *** {V} has joined #haiku[14:45:09] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[14:45:15] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[14:48:08] *** Andeye has quit IRC[14:48:22] *** Andeye has joined #haiku[14:55:03] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[15:03:08] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:12:23] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[15:13:01] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[15:28:05] *** valeriusN has left #haiku[15:28:19] *** valeriusN has joined #haiku[15:52:05] *** joppefan has joined #haiku[16:01:37] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[16:04:19] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[16:04:57] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[16:09:55] *** krazeivan has joined #haiku[16:15:25] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[16:19:36] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[16:20:37] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[16:21:32] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[16:24:36] *** valerius has quit IRC[16:38:37] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[16:44:44] *** valerius has joined #haiku[16:54:11] *** orealis has quit IRC[17:04:27] *** steveh2012 has joined #haiku[17:06:10] <steveh2012> Did a "grep -r kern_create_area ." from src base and couldn't find the implementation. Where is it? Thanks![17:06:21] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[17:07:35] *** krazeivan has quit IRC[17:07:36] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[17:07:41] *** TimKack has quit IRC[17:07:45] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[17:07:52] <kallisti5> steveh2012: you try headers?[17:08:03] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[17:08:34] <kallisti5> kallisti5@houvonglucka99 headers :) $ grep -R kern_create_area *[17:08:34] <kallisti5> build/private/kernel/syscalls.h:// extern area_id _kern_create_area(const char *name, void **address, uint32 addressSpec,[17:08:34] <kallisti5> private/system/syscalls.h:extern area_id _kern_create_area(const char *name, void **address,[17:09:40] <kallisti5> steveh2012: that's a syscall[17:09:44] <kallisti5> you'll be looking for :[17:09:50] <kallisti5> kallisti5@houvonglucka99 system :) $ grep -R user_create_area *[17:09:50] <kallisti5> kernel/vm/vm.cpp:_user_create_area(const char* userName, void** userAddress, uint32 addressSpec,[17:10:52] <kallisti5> or libroot/os/area.c:create_area(const char *name, void **address, uint32 addressSpec, size_t size,[17:11:15] * kallisti5 still isn't 100% on how syscalls work[17:12:17] <steveh2012> right, found the create_area...was looking for the _kern_create_area. I'm searching in a non-build source tree and don't see the actual definition[17:13:07] *** orealis has joined #haiku[17:13:12] <steveh2012> pwd[17:13:56] <steveh2012> <oops, two monitors / keyboards side-by-side..one hooked to a netbook...funny>[17:18:49] <steveh2012> I guess those names get somehow routed to the create_area calls in vm.cpp then?[17:19:26] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[17:21:59] *** dcase has joined #haiku[17:22:07] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[17:25:15] *** valerius has quit IRC[17:26:32] *** steveh2012 has quit IRC[17:43:44] *** valerius has joined #haiku[17:47:09] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[17:50:37] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[18:02:59] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[18:04:15] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:05:02] *** pitelpan has joined #haiku[18:09:10] *** steveh2012 has joined #haiku[18:10:23] <steveh2012> Anyone here have a netbook where Network Preferences no longer shows built-in ethernet device if you unplug it and try to use the wifi?[18:10:49] <steveh2012> How do you force a rediscovery of the built-in network device?[18:10:59] <steveh2012> reboots won't do it[18:11:05] <PulkoMandy> steveh2012: ifconfig /dev/net/... auto-config[18:11:15] <PulkoMandy> (replace ... with the appropriate path to the device)[18:11:32] <PulkoMandy> the network preferences is on the list of things to rework for years now[18:12:53] <steveh2012> ifconfig /dev/net/rtl81xx/0 returns[18:13:14] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[18:13:17] <steveh2012> Hardware type: Ethernet, Address: none MTU: 0, Metric: 0[18:13:56] <steveh2012> got it...forgot the auto-config[18:14:06] <PulkoMandy> yes, witohut args it prints the status[18:14:19] <PulkoMandy> auto-config attempts to configure the interface[18:14:41] <PulkoMandy> DHCP, and if that doesn't work, assign a random address in some range allocated for that[18:15:44] <steveh2012> Is it a known problem that the atheroswifi doesn't work on WPA2 wifi connections? That one atheros model number that 2 of my Gateway netbooks have[18:16:00] <steveh2012> I got it to work on an Open connection once though[18:16:12] <PulkoMandy> which version of Haiku are you running ?[18:16:41] <steveh2012> hrev44584[18:17:44] <PulkoMandy> that should work, but I can't tell for sure[18:18:00] <PulkoMandy> I also seem to get problems with wireless connections here (intel hardware)[18:18:07] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[18:19:06] *** orealis has quit IRC[18:19:06] <steveh2012> It can recognize the wifis in they area to connect to, but after entering the password for mine, won't work. I been on many nightly builds since July.[18:19:31] <steveh2012> open connection yesterday was fine though, but at home, can't do that[18:20:24] <PulkoMandy> I see more or less the same here[18:20:35] <PulkoMandy> you could try looking at the syslog if there's anything strange in it[18:20:47] <steveh2012> it's that one atheros model which, at first, wasn't supported but then the FreeBSD guys got it to work and I guess the owner of the Haiku driver brought that port over[18:22:06] <steveh2012> I tried the config stuff from the forums rather than going through the Network Preferences and that didn't work so maybe the syslog has something strange...will look around[18:22:51] <steveh2012> I can consistently get Net Pref to hang when I make a 2nd attempt to connect over WPA2[18:23:00] <PulkoMandy> you may want to report a bug[18:23:34] <Sintendo> Anyone else having trouble with 1024x600 resolution and Intel graphics?[18:23:54] *** orealis has joined #haiku[18:24:30] <steveh2012> Sintendo: sort of. On a first install of Haiku onto a Gateway netbook LT2005u, the resolution is much smaller than 1024x600. I have to change it in the prefs and then it's always fine after that.[18:25:20] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[18:25:21] <steveh2012> One thing that's annoying is that when I have the netbook hooked up to the 1280x1024 Samsung monitor, if I boot back to standalone screen, the resolution doesn't automatically detect that I'm back on a 1024x600 screen[18:25:53] <steveh2012> it stays at 1280x1024 and it's awkward to get it back to 1024x600 by right click menu hunting[18:25:58] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[18:26:11] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[18:26:21] <PulkoMandy> detecting the video mode is a bit tricky[18:26:44] <PulkoMandy> sounds like on your netbook, it always look for a device on the external video connector, instead of the internal display[18:27:07] *** pitelpan has quit IRC[18:27:07] <steveh2012> if I switch it back to 1280x1024, Haiku comes back up in 1024x600 on that monitor.[18:29:21] <steveh2012> My wife's Acer One is all messed up (model is like 2 years old now). It's in the bug reports where the only known fix is to hardcode the clockrate; otherwise, you only have a desktop that's a couple of pixels in height at the top of the screen[18:34:13] *** steveh2012 has quit IRC[18:37:33] *** JsobCloud_______ has quit IRC[18:37:40] *** JsobCloud_______ has joined #haiku[18:39:47] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[18:48:19] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[18:49:52] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[18:50:26] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:52:49] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:00:12] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:01:34] <Sintendo> @steveh2012: that's the problem I'm having[19:02:38] <Sintendo> Some modesetting sanitizing logic was changed and caused it[19:03:06] *** dsjonny has joined #haiku[19:03:46] <Sintendo> I compiled my own build that bypassed itm and then it worked[19:04:24] <Sintendo> I made a bug for it a while ago, but sadly nobody seems to have picked it up :/[19:07:37] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:08:04] *** dant3 has joined #haiku[19:11:14] *** dant3_work has quit IRC[19:16:08] <PulkoMandy> mmlr did that change and then went into some health trouble[19:16:33] <PulkoMandy> so someone has to dig into the code[19:19:10] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:19:56] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:21:01] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:22:02] *** dant3_at_work has joined #haiku[19:26:30] *** dant3 has quit IRC[19:33:09] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[19:37:35] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[19:41:07] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:42:41] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[19:42:48] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[19:43:08] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[19:43:21] *** gaston has joined #haiku[19:43:22] *** [Beta] has quit IRC[19:55:03] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[19:55:06] <Dane__> Hey there[19:55:33] <Dane__> If I want to fix the filetype of a folder, what value should I give it in filetypes? Just the word Folder? (referring to BeOS)[19:56:01] <Dane__> oh disregard I think I found it[19:56:03] <Dane__> application/x-vnd.Be-directory[19:56:38] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[19:57:14] <kallisti5> PulkoMandy: how is mmlr? it's been quite a while.[20:01:13] *** mpxlbs has joined #haiku[20:02:08] *** dsjonny has left #haiku[20:08:44] *** Sintendo has quit IRC[20:09:41] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[20:09:49] <PulkoMandy> kallisti5: I heard no recent news, maybe you should ask mmadia[20:13:53] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[20:14:35] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[20:20:44] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[20:21:48] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[20:22:27] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[20:26:50] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:31:34] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[20:32:27] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[20:34:25] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[20:34:37] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[20:35:07] *** guna has joined #haiku[20:36:24] *** DaQatz has joined #haiku[20:38:38] <gaston> anyone can help with a crosscompile issue ? gathered all details at http://pastie.org/4709460, gcc is failing to find its lto plugin ?[20:39:50] <gaston> liblto_plugin.so.0.0 is built but apparently it cant find itin lto-plugin/.libs dir ?[20:40:12] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:40:42] <gaston> my first guess would be a libtool issue, but i dont really know where to start[20:43:01] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[20:44:30] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[20:50:09] <brianb__> hi which is the latest stable version og haiku[20:54:01] <frusen> brianb__: current version is R1/Alpha 3[20:54:32] <brianb__> can you instal to hard disk[20:54:51] <brianb__> rather the use a virtual machine[20:56:24] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:57:07] <gaston> of course you can, and since a while...[20:57:59] <brianb__> what sort of partition and space is needed[20:59:41] <gaston> the easiest is to grab a disk image and dd it to a partition/raw disk then boot on it[21:02:09] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[21:05:41] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:07:28] *** pitelpan has joined #haiku[21:07:28] *** pitelpan has joined #haiku[21:10:32] <PulkoMandy> you need about 1GB for the base install[21:10:44] <PulkoMandy> a bit more if you want to actually use it of course[21:11:36] <PulkoMandy> you should download a preview of the alpha4 version rather than alpha3 as well - we made a lot of fixes since then[21:11:42] <gaston> anyone knows if the gcc lto plugin is mandatory in the crosscompile to build haiku ? i can try disabling it for a start[21:15:09] *** PasNox has quit IRC[21:15:09] <PulkoMandy> well, I guess if it's enabled there's a good reason[21:15:27] <PulkoMandy> you know OpenBSD is not one of the supported build platforms (yet), right ?[21:16:07] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:16:07] *** valeriusN has left #haiku[21:18:34] <gaston> yeah, hence the challenge :)[21:18:49] <gaston> if it works on freebsd ...[21:19:15] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:19:19] <PulkoMandy> yes, should not be that far from working[21:20:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:21:57] <gaston> mkay seems lto-plugin is built by default on elf platforms[21:22:27] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:22:40] *** steveh2012 has joined #haiku[21:24:19] *** Alam_Lenny has joined #haiku[21:25:26] *** hamishm has quit IRC[21:25:45] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[21:26:28] <gaston> where is the lto-plugin installed under generated/ in a working xcompile env ?[21:27:28] <gaston> it seems to target /src/haiku/generated/cross-tools/libexec/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/4.6.2 but i dont have such dir[21:27:52] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:29:08] <gaston> http://pastie.org/4709725 i only get that when the lto plugin is built[21:37:22] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:38:04] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:38:51] *** RQ has quit IRC[21:40:02] *** pitelpan has quit IRC[21:42:14] *** duvjones has quit IRC[21:45:20] <gaston> hah[21:45:21] <gaston> install: /usr/bin/install -c .libs/liblto_plugin.so.0.0 /src/haiku/generated/cross-tools-build/gcc/lto-plugin/.././gcc/liblto_plugin.so.0.0[21:45:24] <gaston> there it is[21:46:56] *** rootbaron has joined #haiku[21:48:58] *** kcj has joined #haiku[21:56:36] *** adb has quit IRC[21:57:15] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:00:24] <gaston> think i've found a fix by hacking gcc/config.host...[22:06:57] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:08:30] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:10:26] *** dsjonny has joined #haiku[22:10:27] <mpxlbs> kallisti5, perhaps with the virtual void song, if you used another instrument so the passover of the tones wouldn't be as large and it'd sound better at the end.[22:10:33] <mpxlbs> Something soft, ofcourse[22:11:31] <PulkoMandy> well, let's play with Sawteeth and generate some new sound instead of trying to hack one from a 10 years old AIFF file ?[22:12:04] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[22:12:55] *** [r4] has quit IRC[22:13:19] <rootbaron> Worst case scenario, it's a demo song included in an optional package, which itself is a nice enough nod.[22:13:44] <rootbaron> Now if only someone could cover 5038 for Haiku.[22:14:03] <PulkoMandy> we need another name[22:14:13] *** kcj has quit IRC[22:14:16] *** Sintendo has joined #haiku[22:14:24] * rootbaron looks at his calculator.[22:14:25] <PulkoMandy> (5038 is BEOS backwards and in leetspeak :))[22:14:33] <rootbaron> I know. 4 could be an H...[22:14:40] <dreamed> mpxlbs: got a significant batch more bb styles up on boxshots[22:15:02] <dreamed> I think, most of the good ones[22:15:38] <rootbaron> Shoot. PulkoMandy, would you be against the creation of new numbers for this endeavor?[22:15:59] <PulkoMandy> well, I have other things to waste my time on right now :)[22:16:19] <PulkoMandy> like trying to not lose any file with the fs bugs in the current haiku revs[22:16:35] <PulkoMandy> looks like there was a fix commited today, so I'll have to upgrade my install[22:16:44] <PulkoMandy> and maybe I can do some useful work again after that[22:16:52] <rootbaron> Heh, you don't use a separate data partition?[22:17:34] <PulkoMandy> I do, but it got corrupted when trying to build haiku[22:17:39] <PulkoMandy> now I can only mount it read only[22:18:15] <rootbaron> :/[22:18:35] <PulkoMandy> so copying the files to another drive, formatting, and copying them back[22:18:39] *** dsjonny has left #haiku[22:18:48] <PulkoMandy> but I already did that monday and it failed again[22:19:08] <rootbaron> Might want to backup to an external until then..[22:19:16] <rootbaron> That's assuming the bugs with externals is fixed...[22:21:10] <rootbaron> Opening my 4.5 CD for the first time in years...[22:21:14] <PulkoMandy> well, most of it is safe on various SVN servers[22:21:21] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[22:21:24] <PulkoMandy> which themselves are safely backuped[22:21:27] <rootbaron> I hate not having backup discs on me (I'd prefer to keep the originals in their cases...).[22:21:34] *** danielsa1n|a has quit IRC[22:21:43] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:23:46] <rootbaron> I think I may have found it...[22:27:32] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:28:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:29:35] <gaston> wooo[22:29:35] <gaston> binutils and gcc for cross compilation have been built successfully![22:29:39] <gaston> on OpenBSD :)[22:30:04] <rootbaron> Yahoo.com.[22:30:10] <PulkoMandy> please submit a patch then :)[22:30:20] <gaston> i have a 3-line fix for gcc/gcc/config.host[22:30:45] <gaston> i'll first try to build haiku[22:33:02] *** adb has joined #haiku[22:34:21] <gaston> hm, jam0 does a bus error when linking, not there yet[22:34:35] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[22:43:25] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[22:44:45] <PulkoMandy> mh[22:46:25] <gaston> hah, interesting it works if i build jam with -g instead of -O3[22:46:51] <PulkoMandy> I think that's a known bug[22:47:00] <PulkoMandy> you get the same on either FreeBSD or Mac OS X[22:47:20] <PulkoMandy> basically you need to disable one of gcc optimizations (no need to disable all of them[22:47:25] <gaston> so -O2 works but not -O3[22:47:30] <PulkoMandy> there is a not so old mailing list thread about it[22:47:47] <PulkoMandy> you can do -O3 -fno-"something"[22:47:49] *** _marc` has quit IRC[22:48:03] <gaston> right, will dig[22:48:28] <PulkoMandy> I currently have no working web browser so I can't help you[22:48:31] <gaston> so which one is the correct jam binary, ./jam0 or ./bin.openbsdx86/jam ?[22:49:15] <PulkoMandy> IIRC jam0 is only used to build the actual jam[22:49:30] <gaston> okay[22:49:55] <gaston> found the ml thread at http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Segmentation-fault-building-jam-on-FreeBSD-90,9[22:51:16] *** happy4crazy has quit IRC[22:52:26] *** happy4crazy has joined #haiku[22:57:53] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[23:03:21] <gaston> okay buildchain and jam are built, now to actually fix the build errors in haiku source, probably mostly missing headers like on freebsd[23:11:17] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:11:25] *** steveh2012 has quit IRC[23:25:57] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[23:32:39] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:48:00] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:53:27] *** guna has quit IRC[23:54:47] *** guna has joined #haiku[23:55:48] *** _marc` has joined #haiku