July 2, 2012 
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July 2, 2012 [00:02:10] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[00:03:41] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[00:05:53] *** kcj_ has quit IRC[00:06:16] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:16:26] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[00:16:26] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[00:17:02] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[00:18:46] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:28:54] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:30:13] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[00:30:37] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:43:15] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[00:53:04] *** jjido has joined #haiku[00:58:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:59:20] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[01:03:22] <Anarchos> I took some nice screenshot and did a little article for haiku-os.org about latex and BeTeX: http://imgur.com/fVAnD and http://imgur.com/UVUhV[01:04:12] *** jjido has quit IRC[01:10:46] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:19:07] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:19:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:19:23] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:19:37] *** Ilgrim has quit IRC[01:20:02] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:33:53] *** stpere has quit IRC[01:37:43] *** dobroerlanger has quit IRC[01:39:19] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[01:39:43] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:41:41] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[01:45:12] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[01:45:52] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[01:51:56] *** _marc` has quit IRC[02:02:42] *** Huggy has quit IRC[02:13:19] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:15:00] *** jjido has joined #haiku[02:17:24] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[02:33:42] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[02:34:10] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[02:34:36] *** PasNox has quit IRC[02:40:10] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[02:40:51] *** markos_ has quit IRC[02:44:56] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[02:48:19] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[02:49:24] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[02:49:34] *** jjido has quit IRC[02:50:08] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[02:54:56] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:08:37] *** jprostko has quit IRC[03:39:20] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[03:50:25] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[03:55:08] *** volci has quit IRC[03:55:47] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[04:13:41] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[04:17:18] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:17:33] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:20:05] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:20:30] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:22:44] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[04:27:02] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[04:27:56] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[04:30:19] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[04:32:20] <JonathanThompson> hmmmm....[04:34:20] <Premislaus> http://www.agner.org/optimize/#vectorclass[04:38:33] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:39:07] *** jonathanbthompso has joined #haiku[04:39:07] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[04:39:47] *** jonathanbthompso has quit IRC[04:39:55] <JonathanThompson> Blah![04:40:02] *** tr-808_ has joined #haiku[04:40:02] *** tr-808 has joined #haiku[04:46:03] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[04:47:09] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:00:55] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[05:00:55] *** niven.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[05:01:28] *** P4R4N01D is now known as Guest3941[05:09:25] *** volci has joined #haiku[05:13:02] <Archlyric> aw dang, just got a stupid virus browsing the internet[05:14:35] <geist> ugh[05:15:37] * JonathanThompson poits geist in greetings[05:15:45] <JonathanThompson> geist, where are you working these days?[05:15:55] <JonathanThompson> (Just curious)[05:16:16] <dreamed> a stupid virus? that's catching? well.. I guess the average iq does go down when in a crowd situation..[05:17:13] <JonathanThompson> It has to be a stupid virus, dreamed: a smart one wouldn't be so easily detected ;)[05:17:50] <dreamed> hehehe[05:20:09] <geist> google[05:20:17] <geist> started about 3 months ago[05:20:32] <JonathanThompson> Did HP/Palm/whatever give you a decent severance, I'm hoping?[05:20:51] <JonathanThompson> Or did you leave before that was an issue?[05:21:22] <geist> i left palm about 2 years ago[05:21:29] <geist> the instant HP bought it, i was out[05:21:53] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[05:23:08] *** Archlyric has quit IRC[05:24:37] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[05:24:44] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[05:44:18] *** carter__ has quit IRC[05:47:29] *** Guest3941 has quit IRC[05:47:49] *** Guest3941 has joined #haiku[06:00:52] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:09:58] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[06:14:12] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[06:30:14] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[06:31:07] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[06:31:38] *** DrChaos has joined #haiku[06:31:43] <DrChaos> hello[06:32:26] <DrChaos> is there a driver for WPA2 and this ethernet controller?: 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05)[06:35:21] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[06:35:27] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[06:35:40] <augiedoggie> yes and probably[06:47:57] *** DrChaos has quit IRC[06:49:53] *** kcj has quit IRC[06:55:52] *** DrHouse|YH has joined #haiku[07:01:04] *** DrHouse|YH has quit IRC[07:01:24] *** DrHouse|YH has joined #haiku[07:06:59] *** DrChaos has joined #haiku[07:07:15] <DrChaos> Connecting to a WPA2 encrypted network seems broken in Haiku[07:09:06] <augiedoggie> there have been reports of people getting an "application not found" error, but it's sporadic[07:09:33] <augiedoggie> is this a nightly build or alpha3?[07:10:37] <DrChaos> nightly build[07:11:46] <augiedoggie> which wireless chip?[07:11:56] <augiedoggie> intel,atheros,...?[07:13:44] <DrChaos> um...[07:14:00] <DrChaos> 09:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030 (rev 34)[07:15:25] <augiedoggie> hm, I see a few open bugs about protected networks and they suggest not using dhcp[07:15:34] *** Archlyric has joined #haiku[07:15:36] <DrChaos> I tried without DHCP[07:15:39] <DrChaos> same troubles[07:17:23] <augiedoggie> hard to say without more information, there may be hints in /var/log/syslog[07:18:17] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[07:19:04] <DrChaos> ok, I'll boot it tomorrow[07:33:38] *** tees is now known as elliottcable[07:34:46] *** DrHouse|YH has quit IRC[07:48:39] *** jpfn has joined #haiku[07:48:56] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[07:53:23] <DrChaos> when are the developers going to work on an accelerant for Intel HD Graphics? Intel 3000 series I think[07:53:29] *** PasNox has quit IRC[07:55:58] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[07:56:31] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[07:58:27] *** jpfn has quit IRC[08:01:34] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[08:09:06] <CIA-63> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44281 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=fb8447d :[08:09:06] <CIA-63> Fix ticket #8650.[08:09:06] <CIA-63> versions. These correctly handle the fault handler, which had broken again[08:09:06] <CIA-63> on gcc4 for the C versions, causing stack corruption in certain error cases.[08:09:07] <CIA-63> The other architectures will still need to have corresponding asm variants[08:09:08] <CIA-63> added in order for them to not run into the same issue though.[08:14:21] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[08:24:12] *** DrChaos has quit IRC[08:25:15] *** _marc` has quit IRC[08:28:10] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:35:18] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[08:41:05] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[08:45:19] *** Xcyish has joined #haiku[08:55:23] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[09:06:59] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:08:42] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[09:12:23] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:19:32] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:22:59] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:31:20] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[09:38:44] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[09:40:53] *** carter__ has joined #haiku[09:50:29] *** 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http://img.leprosorium.com/1500224[11:29:50] <diver_> MuCommander[11:30:28] <diver_> http://img.leprosorium.com/1500227 works with smb shares[11:33:18] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[11:38:57] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[11:39:36] *** User has joined #haiku[11:39:57] *** User has quit IRC[11:43:50] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[11:43:50] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[11:49:38] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[11:55:10] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[11:55:11] *** swarfega has quit IRC[11:55:11] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[11:55:11] *** Huggy has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** stef has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** jimage has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** Jessica_Lily has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** rkbm has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** Guest95094 has quit IRC[11:55:12] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[11:55:13] *** carter__ has quit IRC[11:55:13] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[11:55:13] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[11:55:13] *** jstressman has quit IRC[11:55:14] *** saivert has quit 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XenoDuck has joined #haiku[12:18:14] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[12:26:43] <carter__> are there specific file systems that haiku supports?[12:29:54] <qptain_Nemo> ntfs, ext, fat[12:31:48] <carter__> where do i find these in the source tree?[12:31:57] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[12:33:06] <diver_> carter__: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems[12:33:24] *** rimio has joined #haiku[12:33:51] <carter__> thank you[12:34:07] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[12:46:46] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[12:52:38] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[12:52:38] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[12:54:08] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[13:25:20] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[13:29:58] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[13:31:33] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[13:43:13] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:43:49] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[13:48:00] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[13:50:19] *** carter__ has quit IRC[13:50:43] *** carter__ has joined #haiku[14:01:22] *** robert_negro has 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I hope BeTeX could fulfill their needs ![14:56:08] <hagor> about ThinkFree Write word processor?[14:58:40] <hagor> TF Calc works nicely so far[14:59:10] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[15:17:56] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[15:18:45] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[15:23:40] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[15:30:22] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:40:40] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[15:41:21] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[15:59:26] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:59:40] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:00:17] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:00:54] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[16:03:57] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:05:24] *** ensign has joined #haiku[16:05:40] *** ensign has quit IRC[16:05:40] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:06:28] *** rimio has quit IRC[16:15:33] *** rimio has joined #haiku[16:26:02] *** hagor has quit IRC[16:27:29] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[16:38:10] *** togermano has joined #haiku[16:39:49] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[16:40:46] *** TimKack 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<DrChaos> I'd love to implement an Intel SandyBridge Mobile accelerant, but apparently there is no WiFi :([17:10:24] <DrChaos> oh, and I simply must try porting Haiku to x86_64[17:11:21] <OmniMancer> someone has begun such work and is working on it for gsoc right now[17:11:42] * xyzzy waves[17:11:55] <DrChaos> yes but my wifi :([17:13:28] <DrChaos> [ 18.991242] iwlwifi 0000:09:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Centrino(R) Wireless-N 1030 BGN, REV=0xB0[17:13:44] <DrChaos> Haiku gets errors on Transmit packets[17:13:48] <DrChaos> Linux gets none[17:13:56] <DrChaos> same exact wireless password and IP settings[17:14:19] <DrChaos> hmm...[17:14:36] <luko> i find interesting project maybe would be ported to Haiku (now i dont have installed haiku to try compile it ) http://fishsync.sourceforge.net/index.php[17:15:15] <DrChaos> I can't really write an accelerant until I have WiFi in Haiku[17:16:03] <OmniMancer> DrChaos: ethernet cables have a problem with you?[17:16:20] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit 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In Media Prefss HAiku recognise a HD Audio but i hear echos, and corrupted sound[18:36:12] <DrChaos> luko -> with mine I get no audio at all[18:36:53] <luko> someone on this forum say that there are old and new audio cards.. new mainboard for sandybridge have new Intel HD audio[18:37:17] <OmniMancer> the intel HDA driver has some issues still[18:38:27] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[18:38:58] <luko> i am not kernel developer but maybe small changes HD driver needs[18:39:20] <luko> my old board have intel hd /azalia and works ok[18:39:30] <luko> but now i dont have it ... i sell it[18:42:38] <dobroerlanger> Does anyone know what's wrong with the asm example on this page: https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/system_calls ?[18:46:48] *** PasNox has quit IRC[18:47:15] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[18:47:34] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:47:42] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:49:26] <CIA-63> yongcong-github.master: yongcong-github * 550a5b94b16e6e576bed1e59f81aa9cd30c49a94 : (log message trimmed)[18:49:26] <CIA-63> x86: Initialize IA32_MSR_ENERGY_PERF_BIAS[18:49:26] <CIA-63> The lowest 4 bits of the MSR serves as a hint to the hardware to[18:49:26] <CIA-63> favor performance or energy saving. 0 means a hint preference for[18:49:26] <CIA-63> highest performance while 15 corresponds to the maximum energy[18:49:27] <CIA-63> savings. 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Rework to use loop instead.[21:14:45] <CIA-63> Thanks to Alex Smith for helping review changes and offering[21:14:46] <CIA-63> improvements.[21:28:34] *** jjido has joined #haiku[21:30:38] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:35:54] *** jjido has quit IRC[21:36:15] *** jjido has joined #haiku[21:44:53] *** jjido has quit IRC[21:45:20] *** jjido has joined #haiku[21:45:52] <CIA-63> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44283 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=dc5a16b : Add TODO note with respect to needed asm implementations.[21:48:54] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[22:01:06] *** luko has quit IRC[22:01:11] *** luko_ has quit IRC[22:03:18] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:09:30] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[22:11:22] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:17:30] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:17:53] <HaikuUser> Hey[22:17:55] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:17:56] <HaikuUser> Wow.[22:18:01] <HaikuUser> There are so many users here![22:18:39] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:18:50] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[22:18:56] <HaikuUser> Is there anyone who is able to speak, however[22:19:03] <augiedoggie> nope[22:19:14] <HaikuUser> I thought so. :)[22:19:35] <HaikuUser> So, when is it you guys are going to encourage the development of new apps for the haiku OS?[22:19:55] <HaikuUser> It`s past time we get something like libre office pre-installed to show how cool this is[22:20:23] <dreamed> I use libre office on a daily basis, and I can't think of many pieces of software I hate more virulently than that one[22:20:29] <Archlyric> like a haiku distribution?[22:20:40] <Archlyric> i think someone tried that already[22:20:50] <dreamed> haiku is still alpha[22:20:50] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, no... incorporated into the haiku install.[22:21:00] <HaikuUser> dreamed, so is Windows 8 :)[22:21:03] <dreamed> you're talking about something that would be miles away[22:21:07] <dreamed> Windows 8 is in beta[22:21:11] <HaikuUser> I see[22:21:22] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[22:21:25] <dreamed> and that's not the closest comparison[22:21:28] <HaikuUser> Still, the User API is stable, isn`t?[22:21:32] <Archlyric> yeah haiku is REALLY alpha[22:21:39] <augiedoggie> I personally don't need a full office suite, if google docs worked that be fine for me[22:22:04] <HaikuUser> About office suites[22:22:17] <HaikuUser> yes, they suck... that`s why I use indesign whenever I can[22:22:25] <HaikuUser> but for quick, dirty documents...[22:22:32] <HaikuUser> we need a full-fledged one[22:22:39] <Archlyric> i bet abiword for beos would run on haiku[22:23:08] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:23:15] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, that`s something, but abiword isn`t close to libreoffice[22:23:26] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:23:38] <dreamed> true. for starters, abiword is much more visually appealing, and doesn't hog the system.[22:23:47] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, say... if haiku changed from alpha to beta, how much would a port of libreoffice break?[22:24:14] <HaikuUser> dreamed, how about docx compatibility or pdf exporting, or using styles?[22:24:28] <dreamed> docx compatibility I'll give you[22:24:29] <Archlyric> libreoffice as in open office?[22:24:32] <dreamed> the pdf stuff is a bit meh[22:24:37] <dreamed> the styles stuff is exceedingly meh[22:24:41] <dreamed> as compared with a real office suite[22:24:47] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, the fork... Open Office is Oracle`s branch[22:25:11] <PulkoMandy> porting OpenOffice or LibreOffice is a lot of work[22:25:14] <HaikuUser> dreamed, that is true... but it`s doable for a reasonably complex document[22:25:26] <PulkoMandy> huge codebase in multiple languages, and quite old[22:25:32] <Archlyric> what are the dependancies of libreoffice>?[22:25:43] <PulkoMandy> (some of it started as LocoScript, written in z80 assembly code)[22:26:13] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, that`s a good question... could you eliminate some of them by using some of haiku`s own GUI APIs?[22:26:25] <PulkoMandy> and anyway, it would not make use of the Haiku API. If you want LibreOffice, use Linux or another similar Os, there are many[22:26:25] <dreamed> Archlyric: java, for starters[22:26:47] <Archlyric> right and openjdk isnt quite ready yet[22:27:20] <Archlyric> isnt star office java too? whats the one that comes with solaris?[22:27:38] <dreamed> open office / libre office are based on star office[22:27:45] <HaikuUser> PulkoMandy, but you see, it`s more than 12 years this project started... and it`s quite promising. I know you are short on developers, but you have a very solid codebase compared to Linux (which is a mess)[22:28:03] <HaikuUser> So porting some good apps would encourage people to move to haiku[22:28:08] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:28:12] <HaikuUser> or at least write some cool games, like tetris?[22:28:15] <dreamed> horse, cart etc[22:28:30] <HaikuUser> dreamed, well, a few small games wouldn`t do any harm[22:28:31] <HaikuUser> ?)[22:28:35] <HaikuUser> :)[22:29:13] <Archlyric> check bebits.com and haikuware.com to see whats there already :P[22:29:24] *** jjido has quit IRC[22:29:37] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, well, why not incorporate them into the main OS?[22:29:39] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:30:18] <Archlyric> cause right now, haiku is alpha[22:30:22] <Archlyric> lol[22:30:33] <Archlyric> i dunno i dont dev i just love beos[22:30:58] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, I know... but see, Haiku needs more developers. It`s been developing very, very slowly[22:31:17] <augiedoggie> for one thing, we're already hitting the limit of what a single CD can hold, and there was a desire to stay away from a DVD requirement[22:31:19] <HaikuUser> At least some basic apps would encourage users to have fun and code in it[22:31:34] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:31:42] <HaikuUser> augiedoggie, Well, we can use flash drives today if that`s the issue[22:31:50] <Archlyric> a seperate app cd would be cool[22:31:58] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, another option[22:32:02] <HaikuUser> :)[22:32:17] <Archlyric> but this is the internet age[22:32:27] <Archlyric> just download it[22:32:50] <Archlyric> why download a 600mb app cd if your only gunna use 30mb of it[22:33:06] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, that is true, but between the many downloads there`s too much garbage, If you guys selected it, we`d know what apps are the most interesting[22:33:29] <HaikuUser> at the very least, you would endorse it works to a certain extent[22:33:47] <augiedoggie> there was already an attempt at such a distro[22:33:56] <Archlyric> ya i heard about senryu[22:34:12] <HaikuUser> augiedoggie, as you said, no need for a separate distro. Just a few working apps.[22:34:26] <augiedoggie> there are already a few working apps[22:34:29] <HaikuUser> keep the core system <<isolated>>[22:34:44] <HaikuUser> augiedoggie, yeah, but which ones?[22:34:47] <augiedoggie> the nightly builds only have a few preinstalled but the alpha releases contain more[22:34:47] <Archlyric> theres a media player[22:35:09] <HaikuUser> I`m testing the alpha release now[22:35:13] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy did you see my screenswhots with BeTex and latex ?[22:35:15] *** luko_ has joined #haiku[22:35:16] <HaikuUser> (Virtual machine)[22:35:39] <HaikuUser> augiedoggie, say, is there a zsnes port to haiku?[22:35:45] <augiedoggie> yes[22:35:50] <Archlyric> bebits.com[22:36:03] <augiedoggie> I built zsnes a few months ago from source, wasn't that hard[22:36:03] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, I mean, specifically for haiku[22:36:11] <augiedoggie> I didn't post it anywhere though[22:36:20] <HaikuUser> augiedoggie, oh, too bad![22:36:31] <Archlyric> ports?[22:36:33] <HaikuUser> augiedoggie, that would be very nice of you :D[22:36:52] <Archlyric> anyone use a joystick with beos r5?[22:37:14] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, that`s a good question. How well do controllers work on haiku?[22:37:26] <augiedoggie> both of my gamepads work fine[22:37:33] <HaikuUser> sweet[22:37:41] <augiedoggie> although the xbox360 one needs some d-pad remapping[22:37:50] <Archlyric> cool, i just got one at a freecycle place for pcs[22:37:53] <augiedoggie> they show up as buttons[22:38:17] <HaikuUser> augiedoggie, this is the most ironic... some Sega apps require Xbox controller emulation[22:38:18] <Archlyric> i wonder how well quake3 could run in beos[22:38:24] <Archlyric> or haiku[22:38:34] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, haiku :D[22:39:20] <HaikuUser> Haiku is something on its own now, I believe[22:39:26] <HaikuUser> not a perfect copy of BeOs anymore[22:39:29] <HaikuUser> and this is great[22:40:07] <HaikuUser> you guys do have usb support, right? Since controllers do work[22:41:19] <Archlyric> yep[22:42:03] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, there you go... you have added more features than beos originally had, while still keeping a footprint that`s enviable for today`s standards[22:42:25] <Archlyric> beos has usb support[22:42:33] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:42:33] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:42:39] <HaikuUser> Not many modern GUI oses can smoothly run on a PII[22:42:40] <Archlyric> beos was ahead of its time[22:42:51] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[22:42:57] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, how about USB 2.0 support?[22:43:23] <Archlyric> i dunno, lol google it[22:43:49] <Archlyric> the zeta project might have had something goin on[22:44:00] *** tr-808 has joined #haiku[22:44:06] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, I wasn`t really asking... I`m almost sure it has it. My point is, you certainly have added something while still keeping haiku reasonably small[22:44:30] <HaikuUser> I think quake 3 would run great at an OS that is so lightweight[22:44:56] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, don`t you agree?[22:45:17] <Archlyric> yep, especially considering q3 came out in 99[22:45:43] <Archlyric> q3 runs great on mac, and linux too[22:45:54] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, it`s an old game, of course, but it can still show what haiku is capable of[22:46:00] <mmadia> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/games/3d/quake-iii-for-haiku[22:46:07] <HaikuUser> even if it`s an alpha[22:46:11] <Archlyric> there u go[22:46:20] <Archlyric> mmadia is the man[22:46:30] <HaikuUser> this is awesome![22:46:45] <arfonzo> I've ported a recent ioquake3 to Haiku gcc4h recently, maybe a month or two ago.[22:46:59] <HaikuUser> You guys should really make an official repository or something, to point out haiku actually has apps[22:47:04] <HaikuUser> they`re very hidden[22:47:06] <arfonzo> I've tested it against the hi res graphics pack, slow as a dog in my environment (virtualbox), but it works.[22:47:09] <mmadia> by chance, did you submit patches/beps to haikuports arfonzo?[22:47:15] <arfonzo> no mmadia[22:47:22] <mmadia> could you? :)[22:47:40] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, how does it work if you install haiku natively and run it in vesa mode?[22:47:41] <arfonzo> that's a whole can of worms I didn't want to venture into. :)[22:48:04] <arfonzo> I'll start looking at how to submit BEPs sometime soon tho, I have ported a lot of stuff recently.[22:48:16] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, you`re awesome[22:48:33] <Archlyric> haikuUser be a man and install it nativley[22:48:36] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: no I'm not... but I strive. :)[22:48:38] <Archlyric> im using a nightly build[22:48:49] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, all the stuff you ported only needs some love... and showing up in a very visible place[22:48:56] <dreamed> what on earth would that have to do with gender?[22:49:00] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: I have not tested ioquake3 outside of a VM...[22:49:00] <mmadia> haikuports can definitely use additional helping hands, arfonzo. :)[22:49:03] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, I wish, but I have no spare hdd[22:49:09] <CIA-63> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 020a25ce46175de76c694ef395fa364b2b7df6c9 :[22:49:10] <CIA-63> Fixed x86_64 kernel compilation. [4 commits][22:49:10] <CIA-63> For now I've just put all the stub functions that are needed to link the[22:49:10] <CIA-63> kernel into a file called stubs.cpp. I've not yet moved across the interrupt[22:49:10] <CIA-63> handling code or the ELF64 relocation code to the x86 directory. Once those[22:49:10] <CIA-63> have been moved I can get rid of the x86_64 headers/source directories.[22:49:32] <arfonzo> mmadia: I agree. The problem is I port things rather, erm, roughly.[22:49:44] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, what do you mean?[22:50:11] <arfonzo> It's more of a hack n' slash, then a proper hack. :) I wouldn't want to subject anyone to my code (or code modifications)[22:50:13] <dreamed> I think he just admitted to being a filthy hack that doesn't comment code[22:50:15] <dreamed> ;)[22:50:26] *** luko_ has quit IRC[22:50:30] <dreamed> s/he/they[22:50:32] <arfonzo> dreamed: and that's just the beginning...[22:50:51] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, lol[22:51:04] <HaikuUser> dreamed, lmao[22:51:16] <arfonzo> mmadia: can you point me in the direction for starting out with beps?[22:51:19] *** luko has quit IRC[22:51:47] <mmadia> sure. do you have haikuporter and the haikuports trees installed?[22:51:57] <HaikuUser> you guys have everything Linux doesn`t so far... first, a sane GUI API... second, a sane, unified UI[22:52:01] <arfonzo> haikuporter yes, not the trees.[22:52:06] <HaikuUser> Gnome 3 has taken a step for the worse[22:52:15] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: how about multiuser?[22:52:29] <mmadia> haikuporter should download the haikuports tree, upon running.[22:52:41] <arfonzo> mmadia: ah, in which case, I've got the trees also, then.[22:52:48] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, oh... yes, that would be neat... you`ve been considering that for a long time, haven`t you?[22:52:49] * mmadia installs haikuporter[22:53:07] * DaaT installs mmadia[22:53:29] <arfonzo> well, I'm not a Haiku contributor. I'm more of a part-time amatuer. :)[22:53:43] <mmadia> the trees will be in /boot/common/develop[22:53:47] *** PasNox_ has quit IRC[22:53:57] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, I`m sure your ports alone help Haiku a great deal[22:54:07] <HaikuUser> I wish I could code, but oh well.[22:54:17] <HaikuUser> All I can do is to write cool docs[22:54:20] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[22:54:39] <dreamed> don't underestimate the value of documentation[22:54:43] <dreamed> most developers can't stand writing it[22:54:58] <dreamed> but it's very very necessary[22:55:07] <arfonzo> Me too. C++ is not my strong point. I can still port and do some minor modifications tho, as I'm learning more. All the more reason I didn't want to send any changes back, for example for the Terminal app.[22:55:13] <HaikuUser> dreamed, well, would you cope with someone that doesn`t understand code trying to write a book about it?[22:55:16] <HaikuUser> dreamed, if so...[22:56:00] <mmadia> arfonzo , lets look at a OpenSSH's bep ... it seems to have a nice range of stuff in it. /boot/common/develop/haikuports/net-misc/openssh/openssh-6.0p1.bep[22:56:03] <dreamed> HaikuUser: writing documentation about software from an end user perspective is rather different to documenting the code side[22:56:36] <dreamed> if you were doing technical editing for a book about programming of some sort, then yes I'd expect you to be somewhat fluent in the language[22:56:40] <arfonzo> mmadia: give me a moment to boot up the VM.[22:56:43] <dreamed> because otherwise you won't pick up mistakes[22:56:49] <dreamed> but that's different to documenting, as well[22:57:16] <HaikuUser> dreamed, You could write what the code does, and I`d put it neatly. I don`t think auto-generated documentation cuts it.[22:57:32] <arfonzo> mmadia: looking at it...[22:57:54] <HaikuUser> dreamed, all you need to do is to send me a verbatim (or rtf) text file, and I`ll do the magic, and maybe some revisions[22:58:11] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:58:18] <mmadia> ok, so the first few lines are self explanatory.[22:58:39] <dobroerlanger> Hello. Does anyone know Haiku internals good enough to explain why even the simpliest ASM programs crash with segmentation violation?[22:59:17] <mmadia> dobroerlanger -- http://www.freelists.org/list/haiku-3rdparty-dev would be your best bet, as more developers would be able to respond.[22:59:21] <dreamed> HaikuUser: I'm not a coder heh[22:59:26] <dreamed> but that's cool[22:59:33] <HaikuUser> dobroerlanger, maybe haiku`s asm is different from beos asm?[22:59:35] <dreamed> I like good guis[22:59:38] <dreamed> it's why I'm here[23:00:02] <HaikuUser> dreamed, well, if any coder would like that, I`d offer my support[23:00:19] <HaikuUser> an API book would be great, wouldn`t it?[23:00:30] <mmadia> arfonzo -- ah, ha! augiedoggie pointed me to the documentation for .bep files : http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/BepFile[23:00:34] <arfonzo> There is an API book[23:00:40] <arfonzo> mmadia: oh, great, thanks matey.[23:00:48] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, let me see the layout.[23:00:51] <arfonzo> Was just looking over the BUILD {} block[23:00:55] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, where is it?[23:01:01] <mmadia> if you've any specific questions, ask away. :)[23:01:11] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: http://api.haiku-os.org/[23:01:28] <arfonzo> mmadia: thanks, let me read over the wiki first, I'm sure that way it'll be less annoying. :)[23:01:45] <arfonzo> My only (and still remaining) concern is for the safety of the innocent end users.[23:02:26] <arfonzo> I wouldn't want my lack of knowledge to cause a serious problem on someone else's environment... how does the BEP get QA'd before getting published?[23:02:38] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, that is cool for online reading, but it would be nice if we had a book that would cover the api in a more linear way, pointing new developers where to start from[23:02:55] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: there is a set of tutorials for exactly that... sec[23:04:09] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[23:04:20] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: http://darkwyrm.beemulated.net/lessons.htm[23:05:27] *** HaikuUser2 has quit IRC[23:05:58] <HaikuUser> arfonzo, it would be nice to merge those two books into one[23:06:16] <Archlyric> your picky lol[23:06:21] <HaikuUser> or rather, the several tutorials into one[23:06:23] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: I think DarkWyrm has essentially done that with the newer book.[23:06:42] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, yes, I am picky. And it usually works for my book layouts.[23:06:48] <HaikuUser> :D[23:07:13] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, I go as far as changing kerning, if needs be[23:07:17] <HaikuUser> (letter spacing)[23:07:30] <arfonzo> btw, if anyone wants to give ioquake3, all my ports are posted here: http://wiki.poorcoding.com/Haiku.arfonzo.ashx[23:07:37] <Archlyric> picky is a good thing[23:07:57] <arfonzo> give ioq3 a test, rather... losing motor control[23:08:23] <Archlyric> im using a riva tnt 2 with haiku :) i just might have too[23:08:28] <HaikuUser> Archlyric, lol[23:09:16] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[23:09:49] <HaikuUser> I`ll try to copy those links and see if I can make a book mockup.[23:09:54] <DaaT> riva tnt2... wow, that brings back memories[23:10:44] <Archlyric> rudolf wrote some decent drivers for it[23:11:10] <DaaT> *nod*[23:12:05] *** jua_ has quit IRC[23:12:11] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[23:12:27] <Archlyric> im gettin ready to try and install an x86 version of apple rhapsody :) so exciting[23:13:03] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[23:13:03] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[23:13:26] <HaikuUser> mm[23:13:36] <HaikuUser> I can`t seem to be able to copy this chat into a text file.[23:14:18] <Archlyric> http://echelog.com/logs/browse/haiku/1341180000[23:14:43] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: if you are in Haiku, take care you are using the right keyboard combination[23:15:23] <arfonzo> mmadia: I've looked over the BEP page. All makes sense. I'll start playing with it next port I make.[23:15:36] <mmadia> good to hear![23:15:56] <arfonzo> Premislaus asked me to port FLARE again when the new version comes out in a few days, so I'll try to BEP that up, the last port from repo a month or two ago wasn't a terrible one.[23:17:10] <arfonzo> mmadia: do you have any information about the QA process on submitting BEPs? That article only discussions creating them.[23:17:59] <mmadia> QA as far as what?[23:18:27] *** leszek has joined #haiku[23:18:29] <arfonzo> as far as other people (peers) reviewing the BEP, testing it before it gets unleashed, that kind of stuff.[23:18:58] *** markos_ has quit IRC[23:19:13] <Archlyric> arfonzo im gunna try your port with a native install of the latest nightly[23:19:15] <mmadia> the beps and patches tend to be reviewed by peers on the haikuports commit list.[23:19:41] <mmadia> just try to give STATUS_HAIKU an accurate value :)[23:19:44] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[23:19:52] <Archlyric> is there a haiku boot manager?[23:20:05] <Archlyric> cant remember[23:20:06] <mmadia> BootManager[23:20:09] <arfonzo> mmadia: ok, makes sense.[23:20:25] <mmadia> Archlyric -- though, there's no icon for it in Deskbar.[23:20:30] <Archlyric> cool cause im triple booting, Syllable, R5, and haiku[23:21:00] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[23:23:25] <arfonzo> Archlyric: ok, let me know how it goes. I was unable to move the mouse properly in ioquake3. But that could be a VM issue as well.[23:23:56] <HaikuUser> Finally managed to paste the long[23:24:12] <HaikuUser> I`ll take a break. See you, guys[23:24:53] <arfonzo> see ya[23:26:47] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[23:31:22] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:33:50] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[23:44:41] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:46:37] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[23:55:11] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:56:10] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:56:48] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[23:57:40] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC