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[02:05:18] <stpere> At the funeral home :-/
[02:06:47] <stpere> Endless waves of unknown relatives..
[02:11:17] <mmu_man> plop
[02:11:39] <mmu_man> stpere: that's an odd place to go to IRC...
[02:18:19] <stpere> Yeah
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[02:32:51] <mmu_man> "IRC... follows you everywhere IRL" :p
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[04:09:17] <chimney> hi guys
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[04:09:24] <augiedoggie> moo
[04:09:59] <chimney> augiedoggie: moo? somehow the debian guys make more sense
[04:10:35] <augiedoggie> it only seems that way, in retrospect you'll agree that we are more awesomer :P
[04:11:30] <chimney> augiedoggie: ?
[04:11:36] <augiedoggie> chimney: !
[04:12:59] <chimney> do you know a channel where people are interested in haikus?
[04:13:23] <chimney> augiedoggie: i dont mean the OS. I mean the japanese poetry things
[04:14:08] <augiedoggie> nope
[04:16:55] <chimney> ok, lets talk about haiku :)
[04:17:43] <chimney> does ivt is already supported? I need urgently an wotking os as host for some virtualbox vms
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[04:18:53] <augiedoggie> eh, you aren't gonna have much luck with that
[04:19:06] <augiedoggie> there is an old port of qemu and stuff
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[04:22:51] <chimney> sorry, trouble
[04:23:16] <chimney> thanks for the help and much success with your OS
[04:23:19] <chimney> bye
[04:23:57] <augiedoggie> moo :P
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[15:24:11] <leszek> hi
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[16:58:52] <mmadia> hi humdinger
[16:59:07] <humdinger> hi mmadia!
[16:59:31] <humdinger> How's going?
[16:59:36] <humdinger> unbearably hot over here...
[16:59:42] <mmadia> it's saturday, so good!
[17:00:41] <humdinger> Do you know if anyone has started on a "Release note"/"Changes" document for alpha4?
[17:00:59] <humdinger> I imagine that's a huge task...
[17:01:13] <mmadia> yes.
[17:01:25] <mmadia> let me look at my file from late april.
[17:01:30] <humdinger> yes, it's huge, or yes, someone started?
[17:01:35] <humdinger> ah
[17:01:57] <humdinger> you keep track then?
[17:01:59] <mmadia> yes, it's huge. iirc, i was simply snipping committ messages from a git log.
[17:03:04] <humdinger> You think we should try to have the devs commiting a feature (once it's reasonabley complete) add something on the wiki?
[17:04:23] * mmadia shrugs
[17:05:16] <humdinger> Would result in an always uptodate new festures/bugfix list for the next release.
[17:05:21] <humdinger> *features
[17:05:29] <humdinger> yuck, festures...
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[17:05:55] <mmadia> i was afraid that may happen, diver_.
[17:06:03] <diver_> yes
[17:06:22] <mmadia> though, that stops at April 29.
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[17:07:37] <mmadia> it's also worth inidiviually grepping though the commit messagaes for "CID" and "coverity", to get an idea of how many bugs were solved specifically due to Coverity.
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[17:08:35] <mmadia> all of it does. :(
[17:08:56] <humdinger> diver_: the archive for all months seem to be empty. maybe a temp freelist problem?
[17:09:16] <diver_> looks like it
[17:09:47] <humdinger> mmadia: you plan to look thru the commits since 4/29 as well? Or should I try to bring it up to date?
[17:10:06] <mmadia> that'd be great, if you could do that.
[17:10:09] <humdinger> mmadia: should we put it somewhere on the wiki so people can help keeping track?
[17:10:43] <mmadia> once that text gets further condensed, sure.
[17:10:58] <humdinger> Am I the only one who thinks freelists archive suck?
[17:11:11] <humdinger> If I search for womething I almost never find what I look for...
[17:11:19] <mmadia> ... it just disheartening when all of those commits get shortened to a few lines in a press release pdf/article.
[17:11:23] <humdinger> mmadia: OK, I'll have a look at that.
[17:12:21] <humdinger> mmadia: Can't be helped. BUt the number of commits alone is evidence for how far Haiku has come since a3.
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[17:12:36] <humdinger> Admittedly it took longer than a year...
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[17:13:32] <humdinger> mmadia: WRT to diver_ screenshot: You could shorten "Development Mailing List" to "Mailing List".
[17:13:37] <humdinger> See also my recent post.
[17:13:53] <mmadia> yeah, replying to that is on today's TODO.
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[17:14:00] <humdinger> How about not linking the RSS feed to the nightlies, but the haiku-files.org
[17:14:08] <humdinger> Take your time :)
[17:14:43] <mmadia> well, i'm not well versed in Drupal. so, adding the rss was the most straightforward solution.
[17:16:40] <humdinger> Maybe nielx will have another look.
[17:17:09] <humdinger> do you have a test version locally you try things out, or do you mess around "Live"?
[17:17:49] * mmadia whistles innocently
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[17:18:59] <humdinger> ah :)
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[18:32:05] <sepp> hi
[18:33:02] <mmadia> 'lo
[18:33:30] <sepp> i've seen that there have been some rPi commits, what is the status of a general arm port?
[18:33:56] <humdinger> is there such a thing, sepp?
[18:34:10] <humdinger> I think it's targetted at the raspberry for now.
[18:34:45] <sepp> well, it is an arm device... but is there any other work on arm
[18:35:26] <mmadia> for several boards. though, each system basically requires its own port.
[18:35:27] <humdinger> sepp: main (only) dev playing with the raspberry is kallisti5.
[18:35:47] <sepp> ok
[18:35:47] <mmadia> ... as arm is a system on chip design, iirc.
[18:36:06] <sepp> ahh, thanks
[18:36:14] <humdinger> sepp: he's been quite active, but I think booting is still a way off.
[18:36:45] <humdinger> ... booting into a GUI is waay off...
[18:37:15] <sepp> i c
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[19:24:47] <Jessica_Lily> Hey does anyone know if I could get the rt73 usb adapter working in haiku? I've had a look around but i don't _think_ it's in the supported list of wireless stuff
[19:27:10] <Disreali> I was not aware of there was an official list of supported hw. best to test it out your self and let us know
[19:30:10] <Disreali> Jessica_Lily, If there is a FreeBSD driver for it, it most likely could work on Haiku.
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[19:33:16] <PulkoMandy> Disreali: not the USB ones
[19:33:25] <PulkoMandy> we'd need to port FreeBSD USB stack over for that
[19:33:41] <Disreali> ah
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[19:38:59] <Hubert^^> PulkoMandy: why, we may bad USB stack?
[19:39:43] <AlienSoldier> Shinobi is ba... mmlr is back!!
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[19:43:09] <Jessica_Lily> huh
[19:47:04] <Jessica_Lily> maybe i should see if there is a cheap comptable wireless card on ebay :P
[19:48:07] <mmadia> AlienSoldier -- content type subscription notice? :)
[19:52:11] <AlienSoldier> mmadia notice?
[19:53:15] <mmadia> i wasn't sure if you noticed the article from the website emailing you about new content or if you casually noticed it by visiting the site.
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[19:53:46] <AlienSoldier> random site view
[19:54:14] <Disreali> LOL! KISS rules
[19:54:18] <mmu_man> lol
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[19:59:57] <Disreali> is that Masi Oka in that shinobo commercial?
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[20:21:41] <ovf> hello! i'm pretty new to haiku. so far most of the hardware i've thrown at it worked flawlessly (thanks!). however, i just got samsung 530u4b which has hybrid intel/ati graphics
[20:22:26] <ovf> haiku is probably confused by this since it chose vesa instead of intel_extreme for some reason? (judging by Screen preflet)
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[20:23:08] <ovf> is there a way to check what it uses and why did it choose so?
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[20:24:40] <humdinge_dinner> ovf: shouldn't is be a AMD Radeon HD 7550M ?
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[20:25:45] <ovf> humdinger: it indeed is. but i want intel and currently haiku appears to run neither.
[20:28:51] * humdinger is looking...
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[20:30:07] <ovf> humdinger: could you point me to the place in the source where the graphics decision takes place? or this logged somewhere?
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[20:30:48] <humdinger> no idea... sorry. I can point you to the source files declaring what's supported...
[20:31:05] <humdinger> Though neither radeon 7550 not intel 3000 seems to be there...
[20:31:40] <humdinger> howeever.... the intel is sandy bridge, right.
[20:31:47] <humdinger> That might work.
[20:32:49] <humdinger> maybe the radeon driver disturbs things....
[20:33:10] <humdinger> You may want to try renaming /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/radeon_hd to something else and reboot.
[20:34:30] <humdinger> "listimage | grep graphics" will show you the driver in use.
[20:34:44] <humdinger> battery low...
[20:35:02] <humdinger> I have to leave I guess
[20:35:03] <humdinger> cu
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[20:40:04] <PulkoMandy> ovf: likely the radeon card is the default one and we have no driver for it
[20:40:15] <PulkoMandy> maybe you can force intel-only in the BIOS or something ?
[20:43:55] <ovf> PulkoMandy: the bios definitely doesn't provide this option. why do i see vesa and intel in /dev/graphics?
[20:44:25] <PulkoMandy> vesa is always loaded
[20:44:31] <PulkoMandy> so if you see intel it should be ok
[20:44:55] <ovf> it isn't. the screen preflet shows vesa, and only allows up to 1024x768
[20:45:03] <PulkoMandy> go in screen preferences app, hover the preview on the left and wait for the tooltipto show, it should tell you which driver is used
[20:45:11] <PulkoMandy> ok, strange then
[20:45:58] <ovf> i got on irc exactly because it's stange. :-) by the way, full screen glteapot shows 120fps which sounds not like vesa to me?
[20:49:32] <PulkoMandy> our vesa driver is faster than you think :)
[20:51:50] <ovf> i'm actually very very impressed and highly interested in how this is achieved. :-) any pointers to how you do this?
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[21:02:11] <PulkoMandy> well, nothing very special about it, it's double buffered, everything is rendered off screen then copied to video memory
[21:02:12] <humdinger> ovf: there's been a mailing list post... sadly the archive is down atm.
[21:02:19] <PulkoMandy> just like any other of our drivers
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[21:02:53] <PulkoMandy> since the slow thing is usually reading from memory card, the double buffer allows us to never do it
[21:03:00] <PulkoMandy> but that's about it
[21:03:14] <ovf> memory card?
[21:03:17] <PulkoMandy> so, the question is: how can other OSes manage to get so slow ?
[21:03:20] <PulkoMandy> uh
[21:03:23] <PulkoMandy> video card, I mean
[21:04:22] <arfunzu> hey all, hey PulkoMandy
[21:04:28] <PulkoMandy> :)
[21:04:33] <johnny_b> hey arfunzu
[21:04:41] <arfunzu> does anyone run Haiku off a lenovo laptop? I've got an x61 tablet
[21:04:46] <arfunzu> hi johnny_b
[21:04:50] <PulkoMandy> I have a T60
[21:04:56] <arfunzu> I tried gcc2h on it, and it's hot has hell
[21:04:59] <arfunzu> has/as
[21:05:06] <PulkoMandy> lenovo is the reference platform, so it should be ok
[21:05:08] <PulkoMandy> mh...
[21:05:14] <arfunzu> are you seeing this same?
[21:05:22] <PulkoMandy> I remember axeld had some problems with ubuntu not spinning up the system fan
[21:05:28] <PulkoMandy> but mine is ok with haiku
[21:05:42] <arfunzu> yeah I've read that lenovos should be well supported, so that's why I'd like to give it a try.
[21:05:44] <Disreali> PulkoMandy, do you still have an your archive of old BeOS software online?
[21:05:48] <PulkoMandy> maybe try disabling ACPI
[21:05:50] <arfunzu> PulkoMandy: you're gcc2h?
[21:06:04] <PulkoMandy> arfunzu: yes
[21:06:12] <Disreali> PulkoMandy, thanks
[21:06:13] <arfunzu> you mean to disable ACPI from the BIOS?
[21:06:27] <PulkoMandy> from haiku bootloader
[21:06:32] <PulkoMandy> so the BIOS handles it instead
[21:06:56] <arfunzu> ok, I've not tried using the bootloader before, I will try with a nightly
[21:07:13] <humdinger> ovf: here'd be the mail from stippi. dunno, probably now low level enough for you :)
[21:07:22] <arfunzu> PulkoMandy: I don't support tablet functions work...
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[21:10:08] <arfunzu> What tool can I use to burn the ISO as bootable onto a USB key?
[21:10:18] <humdinger> Tracker is pegging my cpus. I killed it from ProcessController, now it's enty is gone, but it's still pegging.
[21:10:21] <humdinger> Help...
[21:10:35] <PulkoMandy> arfunzu: rather use the anyboot than the iso
[21:10:49] <arfunzu> hm, is there a way to jam an anyboot?
[21:11:03] <PulkoMandy> likely yes :)
[21:11:14] <humdinger> hmmm. it's the syslog sender in the kernel team.
[21:11:14] <PulkoMandy> or just build a raw image, should work for usb as well
[21:11:14] <arfunzu> yeah, there is. ok cool
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[21:12:24] <humdinger> Ah sorted itself. RelatedMail was pegging.
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[21:38:47] <johnny_b> PulkoMandy: nice software collection!
[21:39:29] <arfunzu> PulkoMandy: your T60 isn't too hot to comfortably use?
[21:42:37] <ovf> PulkoMandy, humdinger: thanks!
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[21:44:11] <PulkoMandy> arfunzu: well, I added an expresscard SSD which heats a bit too much, but otherwise it's all ok
[21:44:42] <arfunzu> ok. I'm still building the latest haiku from repo.
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[21:58:12] <luko> hi
[21:59:01] <johnny_b> hello
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[22:11:45] <arfunzu> PulkoMandy: does suspending work?
[22:13:29] <PulkoMandy> no, haiku has no support for that
[22:13:39] <armand_> does anyone know how to compile for haiku on linux x86? or is this more appropriate for #haiku-3rdparty?
[22:17:14] <augiedoggie> I don't know of anyone that has tried to do it outside of the haiku build system
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[22:24:24] <arfunzu> PulkoMandy: ah, ok
[22:24:55] <arfunzu> hm, do I need to download wpa_supplicant before this works? it seems to have found my iprowifi4965 device, but I'm seeing "Application could not be found" errors
[22:25:08] <arfunzu> I think diver had a replacement binary for something
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[22:42:36] <arfunzu> diver_: I remember you sent me a link to a binary once, to fix this wifi issue. Something about some binary being not properly generated, or not the right file size... any help?
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[22:45:14] <augiedoggie> I think that problem was already fixed
[22:45:29] <augiedoggie> the nightly build machine was stripping symbols from the executable
[22:45:41] <arfunzu> augiedoggie: I still seem to be unable to join the wifi here on the latest nightly
[22:45:59] <augiedoggie> and you installed the firmware for the chip?
[22:46:45] <arfunzu> no, I didn't need to do this before
[22:47:21] <arfunzu> it gets the device, it picks up wireless networks around, it's just joining itself doesn't seem to work.
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[22:51:12] <diver_> arfunzu: corrupted wpa_supplicant was already fixed indeed about a week ago
[22:51:52] <arfunzu> just going over this ticket now...
[22:52:33] <arfunzu> for some reason it's always stuck on "Configuring" in the status
[22:53:06] <arfunzu> 235940 /boot/common/bin/wpa_supplicant
[22:53:16] <arfunzu> That's my size
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[22:55:10] <diver_> FileTypes /boot/common/bin/wpa_supplicant
[22:55:31] <diver_> do you see a signature?
[22:56:02] <arfunzu> give me a moment, just rebooting, I'll check
[22:59:12] <arfunzu> ok, it works now
[22:59:33] <arfunzu> for some reason, it doesn't work unless i put the ifconfig ... line in the ~/config/boot/launch as a script
[22:59:45] <arfunzu> if i run it in terminal it seems to hang
[23:00:11] <arfunzu> I had this last time as well, I just didn't remember... I'll have to make a note
[23:00:42] <diver_> you can see additional debug output if you start net_server from terminal
[23:01:00] <diver_> hey net_server quit
[23:01:01] <diver_> /system/servers/net_server
[23:01:05] <arfunzu> ah, cool. I'll try this in a bit, just want to configure up the new system a bit first
[23:01:23] <arfunzu> thanks... i'd like to know why the heck it doesn't work for me except in the boot script
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[23:01:39] <diver_> yeah, that would be interesting to know
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[23:55:34] <arfunzu> hm, someone mentioned an issue with really bad latency, even on LAN... I think I'm seeing this also
[23:55:52] <arfunzu> I get 1000-1500ms ping to my router