June 25, 2012 
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June 25, 2012 [00:01:37] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[00:06:03] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:06:26] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[00:11:24] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[00:15:36] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:17:43] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[00:17:48] *** luko has quit IRC[00:29:31] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:33:46] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:37:52] *** vooshy has quit IRC[00:43:37] <Premislaus> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyNTc[00:46:10] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[00:47:11] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:48:56] <CIA-64> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 8846189866301c85683151a54ec88e809333ca7a : (log message trimmed)[00:48:56] <CIA-64> Handle 64-bit load addresses for ELF64 images in the bootloader.[00:48:56] <CIA-64> The ELF loader now uses a new platform function, platform_allocate_elf_region,[00:48:56] <CIA-64> which returns 2 addresses: the real load address and an address where the[00:48:56] <CIA-64> region is mapped in the loader's address space. All of the ELF loading code[00:48:57] <CIA-64> has been changed to access the load region through the mapped address rather[00:48:58] <CIA-64> than the addresses contained in the ELF image. The ELF64 version of[00:52:37] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[00:57:59] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[01:03:59] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[01:04:15] <Dane_> Does anyone know if the c-media 8738 chipset is supported in Haiku?[01:04:30] <Dane_> I see this...[01:04:33] <Dane_> http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/[01:04:37] <Dane_> But not sure what to make of it[01:05:10] <augiedoggie> that mirror isn't used anymore[01:05:21] <Dane_> augiedoggie where would I look instead?[01:05:31] *** Dane_ is now known as DoggieDaddy[01:05:32] <augiedoggie> to browse the haiku source?[01:05:59] <DoggieDaddy> augiedoggie what's the link to that?[01:06:17] <augiedoggie> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/[01:06:36] <augiedoggie> or you can use the source search that is listed in the channel topic[01:06:56] <DoggieDaddy> augiedoggie thanks[01:07:08] * DoggieDaddy starts trying to figure this thing out[01:07:13] * DoggieDaddy Dane__[01:07:22] *** DoggieDaddy is now known as Dane__[01:07:31] <augiedoggie> I *think* my old machine used a cmedia chip but I don't remember which specific one[01:08:32] <Dane__> augiedoggie http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?showmsg=1&qt=grep&q=8738[01:08:41] <Dane__> Does this page indicate the driver is already a part of the package?[01:09:25] <augiedoggie> yes, it should be included[01:09:43] <Dane__> odd, I have the card inserted and it shows up in listdev, but not in Media Prefs[01:11:13] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:11:26] <augiedoggie> hmm, I don't seem to have the driver on my gcc4 install[01:11:32] <augiedoggie> perhaps it isn't part of the image[01:11:48] <Dane__> how would a person get it/install it?[01:13:57] <Dane__> kallisti5[01:15:40] <augiedoggie> it's commented out in the Jamfile for some reason[01:16:23] <Dane__> augiedoggie Maybe there's a problem with it[01:16:36] <Dane__> All I can find in binary is the old legacy BeOS driver[01:17:28] <Dane__>[01:17:28] <Dane__> device Multimedia controller (Multimedia audio controller) [4|1|0][01:17:29] <Dane__> vendor 13f6: C-Media Electronics Inc[01:17:30] <Dane__> device 0111: CM8738[01:17:40] <Dane__> Definitely showing up in listdev so that's a good sign at least[01:19:05] <luroh> Dane__: have you tried the opensound drivers?[01:19:36] <Dane__> luroh I haven't...I'm a little afraid of those based on things I've read. Have you had any success with them?[01:20:19] <luroh> well, i just use them in vmware from time to time[01:20:30] <luroh> can't say much about them[01:22:04] <luroh> the cmedia driver you found seems to be using an older beos r3 API[01:22:25] <luroh> perhaps that's why it's not included in haiku[01:22:44] <Dane__> luroh I would LOVE to find the Haiku version if there is such a thing.[01:23:22] <luroh> i suspect it needs to be ported to the haiku's multi audio api[01:23:35] <Dane__> ah[01:23:46] <Dane__> luroh Would that be considered a difficult task?[01:23:55] <luroh> well, either that or haiku needs to support the older api...which does seem like the wrong way to go[01:24:00] <luroh> Dane__: no idea :|[01:24:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:24:55] <Dane__> OmniMancer![01:25:35] <OmniMancer> hi Dane__[01:25:53] <Dane__> OmniMancer Question for you...[01:26:04] <Dane__> Do you know if there is a functioning cmedia driver for Haiku?[01:28:34] <OmniMancer> cmedia?[01:28:51] <Dane__> OmniMancer Driver has traditionally been called CMPI[01:29:03] <Dane__> Cmedia 8738 chipset[01:29:48] <OmniMancer> ah sound card[01:29:52] <Dane__> yes[01:29:58] <OmniMancer> I do not know[01:30:01] <Dane__> ok thanks[01:30:20] <OmniMancer> you can try searching the source[01:30:35] <Dane__> OmniMancer I did, but I'm not sure I understand what to do with what I found[01:30:52] <OmniMancer> ah[01:30:58] <OmniMancer> what did you find?[01:30:58] <Dane__> augiedoggie says it's commented out in the Jamfile for some reason[01:31:01] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[01:31:44] <OmniMancer> hmmm that likely means that it is currently non functional[01:32:00] <OmniMancer> but how non functional I have no idea[01:32:10] <Dane__> k[01:32:11] <OmniMancer> you could always try building it[01:32:16] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[01:32:21] <Dane__> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=grep&q=cmedia[01:32:29] <Dane__> OmniMancer Not sure what to grab[01:37:52] <OmniMancer> Dane__: what happens right now if you try to use the card?[01:38:11] <Dane__> [23:17] <Dane__> device Multimedia controller (Multimedia audio controller) [4|1|0][01:38:12] <Dane__> [23:17] <Dane__> vendor 13f6: C-Media Electronics Inc[01:38:12] <Dane__> [23:17] <Dane__> device 0111: CM8738[01:38:24] <Dane__> listdeve shows it but media prefs doesn't list it[01:41:12] <luroh> Dane__: well, at least it compiles with gcc2[01:41:45] <luroh> if you want to give it a try: http://deathstar.knuttinatoll.net/hammer/cmedia[01:42:08] <luroh> but as i said, i suspect it won't work due to the api issue[01:42:53] <luroh> good night[01:42:58] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:45:01] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[01:45:12] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[01:45:51] *** hdanak has quit IRC[01:45:57] *** synchris has quit IRC[01:46:38] <Dane_> re[01:46:49] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[01:49:16] *** hdanak has quit IRC[01:50:20] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[01:57:41] *** hdanak has quit IRC[01:58:27] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:14:02] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[02:15:00] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[02:15:07] <Dane_> /nick Dane_[02:15:33] <Dane_> Anybody know why Haiku's BootManager is reporting that every drive has no space available?[02:19:25] *** Habstinat has quit IRC[02:22:26] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[02:38:14] *** KapiX has left #haiku[02:54:39] *** stpere has joined #haiku[02:55:52] <CIA-64> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44261 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=c589e68 :[02:55:52] <CIA-64> MediaPlayer InfoWindow: Add Bitrate info, fix duration display [2 commits][02:55:52] <CIA-64> * The duration minutes didn't include a leading zero when necessary[02:55:52] <CIA-64> * Added Bitrate info (#7782)[03:13:29] *** Hodapp has joined #haiku[03:16:04] <Hodapp> well, this is working surprisingly well on my crappy EeePC[03:16:20] *** Habstinat has joined #haiku[03:16:31] <Hodapp> even sees my wireless although I don't think any open networks are around here[03:18:28] <yourpalal> Hodapp: It can do WPA too![03:19:08] <Hodapp> yourpalal: I'm only about 10 minutes in here; haven't ventured that far[03:19:17] <Hodapp> boo. irssi's colors don't interact well with its terminal[03:21:07] <Hodapp> I don't think the Installer is working for me. I put the anyboot version on one USB device, booted, plugged in another, and set up the 2nd device but it wouldn't boot from it[03:21:07] <stpere> white text on white background?[03:21:53] <Hodapp> however I was able to just dd the same image to that 2nd USB device and make another partition so I at least don't waste the rest of the space[03:24:58] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[03:34:15] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[03:36:04] *** volci has joined #haiku[03:38:57] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[04:06:54] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[04:08:57] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:11:01] *** jua_ has quit IRC[04:11:33] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[04:47:00] <[JJ]Albert> Say, I've got a RAM question.[04:47:17] <[JJ]Albert> What good is DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)?[04:47:35] *** Habstinat has quit IRC[04:47:58] <augiedoggie> good enough?[04:50:02] <[JJ]Albert> For 8GB?[04:50:29] <[JJ]Albert> Just curious, because I just realized I had ordered 8GB. Not a bad price, when I thought I was just getting 4GB.[04:51:06] <augiedoggie> I paid $30 for 4G a while back, but 8 wasn't much more than that[04:51:17] <augiedoggie> I could've gone with a cheaper brand too[04:53:46] <[JJ]Albert> Well how's it sound?[04:53:53] <[JJ]Albert> Performance wise?[04:54:01] <[JJ]Albert> W/ a Llano APU?[04:54:11] <[JJ]Albert> Or is this new territory for ppl?[04:54:14] <[JJ]Albert> :p[04:54:38] <augiedoggie> meh, I don't really care that much about the subject[04:54:42] <augiedoggie> it's fast enough for me[04:55:15] <[JJ]Albert> Lol[04:55:18] <[JJ]Albert> Kk[04:55:56] <[JJ]Albert> Also, I loved how Dane changed his name to DoggieDaddy for a short bit. xD[04:56:21] <[JJ]Albert> Just looking back to everything I missed while I was @ dinner.[04:57:34] <[JJ]Albert> But uh, as I'm reading the specs...[04:57:49] <[JJ]Albert> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128517 mobo[04:57:53] <[JJ]Albert> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 ram[04:58:06] <[JJ]Albert> Are these two even compatible? :([04:58:23] <[JJ]Albert> I admittedly just noticed a discrepency in the name.[04:58:41] <[JJ]Albert> I mean, is it just the pins that matter besides total memory cap?[04:58:56] <[JJ]Albert> I've admittedly never really built my own system before. :p[05:00:34] <[JJ]Albert> I mean, I've built some aspects of other systems before, but not my own.[05:08:19] *** Habstinat has joined #haiku[05:11:59] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[05:21:52] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[05:36:43] *** hamishm_ has quit IRC[05:39:19] *** Nozy has quit IRC[05:41:10] <Xeon3D> JJ the two are cmpatible[05:41:35] <Xeon3D> *compatible[05:42:45] <stpere> night[05:42:51] *** stpere has quit IRC[05:52:43] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, OK.[05:52:54] <[JJ]Albert> I was just freaking out w/ the numbers and stuff.[05:53:17] <[JJ]Albert> That's just confusing about RAM, where speed and and other numbers seem to 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#haiku[09:13:30] *** jimage has quit IRC[09:14:13] *** Spelln has joined #haiku[09:14:56] *** Spelln is now known as jimage[09:23:20] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[09:24:31] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[09:35:53] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:36:01] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[09:38:36] *** dcase has joined #haiku[09:39:49] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:41:23] *** Xcyish has joined #haiku[10:05:46] <CIA-64> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1950 /haikuports/trunk/packs/libpak/ (libpak-0.9.6-gcc2.bep libpak-0.9.6-gcc4.bep) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1950 : Updated libmodplug version in the gcc2/gcc4 libpaks, and cleaned up formatting a bit.[10:10:21] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[10:23:56] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[10:24:57] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:24:58] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:34:38] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[10:35:13] *** KapiX has left #haiku[10:43:44] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[11:08:20] *** KapiX has left #haiku[11:09:13] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[11:10:09] *** luko has joined #haiku[11:12:07] *** KapiX has left #haiku[11:17:03] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[11:20:38] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[11:21:07] <alexixor> Hi all[11:24:26] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[11:38:23] <CIA-64> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1951 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/fontconfig/fontconfig-30077.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1951 : Added test bep for fontconfig branch to allow easier rebuilds on Haiku.[11:43:25] *** cebulon has quit IRC[11:58:41] *** luko has quit IRC[12:01:07] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:02:25] *** markos_ has quit IRC[12:04:11] <alexixor> is there a problem with mail in the latest builds?[12:05:00] <alexixor> when it tries to acces agmail account, it says that network is unreachable[12:05:24] <alexixor> of course net is reachable, because at the same time I can browse the web[12:06:14] <alexixor> I tryied the five latest images and 44101, and all of them hve the same problem[12:06:49] *** 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[2 commits][15:55:03] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[16:03:30] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:03:30] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:07:21] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:07:21] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:18:39] *** alexixor1 has left #haiku[16:21:00] *** DrChaos has joined #haiku[16:21:07] <DrChaos> where is a web browser for Haiku?[16:21:35] <DrChaos> also, where is the Be File System source code? I want to implement BFS write support in the Linux kernel[16:27:00] *** luroh has joined #haiku[16:29:25] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[16:32:01] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:32:01] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:33:00] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[16:38:42] *** yongcong has quit IRC[16:39:11] *** kcj has quit IRC[16:44:20] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:44:20] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[16:45:09] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:47:37] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[16:51:17] <diver_> DrChaos: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs[16:52:13] *** Cobi_ has quit IRC[16:56:25] <diver_> there is Firefox 2.x port called BeZilla, a native WebKit browser WebPositive (installoptionalpackage webpositive if you're on a nightly image) and Arora/QupZilla and other Qt browsers witch require Qt libs[17:05:08] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[17:05:29] *** Negr0_VoP2P_LMin has quit IRC[17:08:17] <CIA-64> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44262 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=9741d69 :[17:08:17] <CIA-64> FFMPEG Copyright(): Fix memory leak[17:08:17] <CIA-64> Fix a memory leak I introduced. 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Thanks![17:13:10] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[17:13:31] *** BitPuffi_ is now known as BitPuffin[17:19:51] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[17:22:36] *** DaQatz has quit IRC[17:31:42] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:32:20] *** RQ has joined #haiku[17:34:59] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[17:37:35] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:53:37] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[18:01:06] *** humdinger is now known as humdinger_afk[18:01:19] *** robert_negro has quit IRC[18:04:34] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:05:34] *** fhein has joined #haiku[18:08:44] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[18:10:12] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:16:34] *** Xcyish has quit IRC[18:19:58] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[18:24:34] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:36:29] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[18:42:52] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[18:43:37] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:55:05] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[19:00:37] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[19:02:14] *** Cobi has quit IRC[19:06:04] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:08:43] *** DebianTUXX has joined #haiku[19:08:55] *** DebianTUX has quit IRC[19:08:55] *** DebianTUXX is now known as DebianTUX[19:12:14] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:14:38] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[19:15:29] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[19:30:35] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:31:58] <CIA-64> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44263 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=8d87f2b :[19:31:58] <CIA-64> StringForRate()[19:31:58] <CIA-64> Introduce a function to generate the string representation of a bitrate[19:31:58] <CIA-64> (kbps, mbps, gbps, etc..)[19:31:58] <CIA-64> * Factor out the code from MediaPlayer InfoWindow[19:31:58] <CIA-64> * Allow different bases (/1000 or /1024)[19:32:09] *** stpere has joined #haiku[19:33:42] *** DaQatz has joined #haiku[19:34:50] *** humdinger_afk has quit IRC[19:34:51] *** humdinger is now known as humdinger_afk[19:36:14] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[19:36:23] <Premislaus> http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html[19:39:30] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[19:40:07] *** humdinger_afk is now known as humdinger[19:41:32] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[19:46:00] <CIA-64> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44264 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=36784bb :[19:46:00] <CIA-64> StringForRate(): adjustments[19:46:00] <CIA-64> * Make 1000.0f the default base[19:46:00] <CIA-64> * Also use sizeof() in MediaPlayer to get the string size rather than hardcode.[19:46:00] <CIA-64> Thanks Marcus[19:46:52] *** jjido has joined #haiku[19:48:40] *** togermano has joined #haiku[19:48:48] <togermano> any news on a new release[19:49:06] <humdinger> nope togermano. not yet...[19:49:18] <togermano> ok ta x[19:49:28] <togermano> the nightly works good on my z77 board[19:49:32] <togermano> just missing the audio though[19:49:53] <humdinger> tried opensound?[19:50:19] <togermano> yea i have[19:50:35] <togermano> is there online package manger yet[19:50:41] <togermano> i remember the first alpha someone made one[19:50:43] <togermano> but i cant find it[19:50:50] <togermano> maybe the author stopped develop ment[19:51:31] <humdinger> the Haiku packagemanager is still a way off.[19:51:48] <humdinger> RIght now theres only the "installoptionalpackage" command[19:52:27] <togermano> there was a gui one before[19:52:34] <togermano> i think it used haikuware as a source[19:53:44] <augiedoggie> it didn't[19:53:57] <augiedoggie> iirc, you're thinking of synthetic[19:54:18] <humdinger> or "TiltOS"?[19:54:21] <CIA-64> haiku.master: stpere * hrev44265 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=c4e5472 :[19:54:21] <CIA-64> FFMPEG: Remove unnecessary #include statements[19:54:21] <CIA-64> They were included because of earlier tests.[19:54:21] <CIA-64> Thanks Korli for the heads-up! (and sorry for the noise..)[19:54:22] <humdinger> never used it...[19:54:38] <augiedoggie> tiltos didn't have a gui manager[19:56:33] <humdinger> you might be right.[20:02:37] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:06:07] *** togermano has quit IRC[20:08:11] *** jjido has quit IRC[20:12:04] *** Julka has joined #haiku[20:12:10] <Julka> hi all[20:12:32] <Julka> is there package manager for haiku yet?[20:12:47] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[20:13:14] <Julka> os should I use TiltOS/PAckager/Installer or something else for now?[20:13:27] <DebianTUX> there is installoptionalpackage[20:13:41] <DebianTUX> and several other third party implementations[20:13:49] <DebianTUX> for QT software, for example[20:13:55] <Julka> but it has nearly empty soft list[20:14:02] <DebianTUX> yes, sure[20:14:10] <augiedoggie> never use tiltos, it'll destroy your Haiku install[20:14:41] <Julka> so what app are you recommending?[20:15:43] <Julka> I installed Haiku on sister's 384MB RAM machine, because Linux sucked on it(2d is very laggy woth latest xorg/radeon driver)[20:16:12] <Julka> from Qt software I probably need to install KOffice[20:17:06] <humdinger> never got KOffice to work.[20:17:20] <humdinger> Haven't tried in a year or so...[20:17:31] <Julka> kk, but waht 3rd party package manager should I use?[20:17:59] <humdinger> why use a package manager?[20:18:10] <humdinger> Use installoptionalpacke where possible.[20:18:15] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[20:18:20] <humdinger> and get other stuff as zip from Haikuware.[20:18:43] <jua_> don't forget that Haiku is still in alpha stage and as such experimental, not sure that it's a good idea to put it on someone's computer who doesn't know about its stage..[20:19:06] <Julka> humdinger: but getting stuff as zips and resolving deps manually could take long time[20:19:10] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:19:27] <augiedoggie> most native stuff doesn't have many dependencies[20:19:32] <humdinger> Never had any problems.[20:20:00] <humdinger> Though I don't use Qt software and don't game, so SDL is another sore I can avoid.[20:20:18] <Julka> right, but she want webbrowser, MPD(she used ncmpc under linux) and games[20:20:27] <Julka> and youtube[20:20:32] <augiedoggie> heh[20:20:37] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:20:44] <augiedoggie> she won't be happy with Haiku then[20:20:46] <humdinger> that'll be a toughy under Haiku.[20:21:07] *** DebianTUX has quit IRC[20:21:20] <stpere> youtube under Haiku will be easier when WebPositive supports the <video> tag[20:21:20] <jua_> yeah, that might lead to frustration :P[20:21:31] <Julka> I know what Haiku is, and I am linux distro dev, but I feel lame in haiku world[20:22:00] <Julka> are there additional repos for installoptionalpackage?[20:22:07] <OmniMancer> no[20:22:30] <humdinger> it's a stop gap.[20:22:35] <OmniMancer> installoptional package is a hack to alleviate a problem until the package system is better[20:22:39] <humdinger> the gap getting wider and wider...[20:23:00] <OmniMancer> it simply allows installing optional packages that were meant to be included in the image at build time[20:23:08] <[JJ]Albert> Say, will haiku have some nix emulation?[20:23:17] <[JJ]Albert> Just curious.[20:23:37] <jua_> What do you mean by "nix emulation"?[20:23:45] <[JJ]Albert> Well, not emulation...[20:23:51] <[JJ]Albert> Something more like wine.[20:24:07] <OmniMancer> probably not[20:24:09] <jua_> It has a certain level of Posix compatibility so some things can be compiled[20:24:24] <jua_> but that's different from binary emulation[20:24:25] <OmniMancer> though there is nothing stopping someone from writing such a thing[20:24:32] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh.[20:24:39] <OmniMancer> though I expect it will not be wanted[20:24:55] <OmniMancer> you have a slippery slope once such things begin[20:24:55] <stpere> hehe.. but there is qemu.. so :P[20:25:08] *** Cobi has quit IRC[20:25:15] <[JJ]Albert> It'd help alleviate the probable lack of packages available for the OS.[20:25:21] <[JJ]Albert> initially.[20:25:28] <OmniMancer> problem is[20:25:29] <[JJ]Albert> Then it'd be useless, after.[20:25:40] <OmniMancer> that now you have all the cruft that people want to get away from[20:25:57] <OmniMancer> there is a reason that there is no official X server port[20:26:22] * Hodapp ponders using just Haiku in VirtualBox for a couple weeks...[20:26:23] <[JJ]Albert> Well is the audience expected to be all *nix-sufferers?[20:26:57] <Julka> so both tiltos installer and haiku packager will destroy OS?[20:26:57] <OmniMancer> the problem I see is that[20:27:00] <OmniMancer> if you do that[20:27:13] <humdinger> Hodapp: Try it. For me it's unusable under VirtualBox, but flies natively.[20:27:15] <[JJ]Albert> Because even if I feel *nix has some gaping problems, it certainly hasn't stopped people from remedying it. Your audience will be those alienated by *nix, coming into the opensource world.[20:27:15] <OmniMancer> Julka: tiltos is not renouned for best practices[20:27:35] <OmniMancer> and you would probably have to do a clean install to get rid of it[20:28:17] <OmniMancer> [JJ]Albert: if we add some *nix compat, then its likely that demand will be there to increase that and to use that instead of other things[20:28:19] <[JJ]Albert> Well, then I guess the best option is something in the middle. Make porting some *nix software alot easier.[20:28:32] <OmniMancer> it already has been[20:28:33] <Hodapp> humdinger: unusable how?[20:28:40] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, well alright then.[20:28:43] <[JJ]Albert> :p[20:28:45] <[JJ]Albert> Sorry.[20:28:46] <OmniMancer> but some of it will be hard anyway[20:28:53] <humdinger> Hodapp: very slow.[20:28:53] <[JJ]Albert> Yes.[20:28:57] <Hodapp> [JJ]Albert: Ever looked at Plan 9? It tried to fix those gaping problems.[20:29:09] <Hodapp> humdinger: it runs decently on my Eeeeeeee PC but the screen is like 800x480[20:29:09] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh, and it's dead. Your point?[20:29:13] <Julka> OmniMancer: but theres no better alternative? Its hard to find sw for gcc4hybrid, I doenloaded many irc clients fdrom haikuware that crashed until I realised I have Vision installed[20:29:21] <Julka> downloaded*[20:29:23] <Hodapp> [JJ]Albert: It's interesting to refer to and read about, that's all.[20:29:29] <[JJ]Albert> True.[20:29:41] <Hodapp> [JJ]Albert: and to watch fights between the 'my beard is greyer than thou, get off my lawn, Unix-user' users and Unix greybeards.[20:29:58] <OmniMancer> [JJ]Albert: posix compatability has risen since the first alpha[20:29:59] <[JJ]Albert> Sorry, it's just I'm a bit tired of all the finger pointing in the open source community.[20:30:08] <[JJ]Albert> Not that you are all guilty of it.[20:30:12] <augiedoggie> Julka: you're running an unsupported version then, gcc2hybrid is the official release style[20:30:42] <[JJ]Albert> It's just I'm reminded of the crux of alot of these second-wave open-source OS projects; to compete w/ linux.[20:30:43] <jua_> I wonder why gcc4 builds are even made available :|[20:31:03] <augiedoggie> that's been discussed before, it's for testing[20:31:13] <[JJ]Albert> When ideally, competition in the open-source community shouldn't have occurred in the first place.[20:31:41] <jua_> Competition is fine, zealotry is the problem :p[20:31:49] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh, true.[20:32:11] <[JJ]Albert> Nix hasn't seen this kind of praise before.[20:32:28] <[JJ]Albert> It was developed as some guys hobby, and it wound up an international starling.[20:32:45] <[JJ]Albert> An international hobby, might I say.[20:32:46] <OmniMancer> jua_: they were already moved from the haiku files page to be marked unofficial[20:33:09] <[JJ]Albert> Haiku started it's life before *nix had came to prominence like it has.[20:33:26] * humdinger played with the nightly pages recently.[20:33:29] <Julka> I am more familiar with gcc4 than gcc2[20:33:40] <[JJ]Albert> I think the argument should simply be "Haiku attempts to spin a different wheel than what *nix has done."[20:33:41] <OmniMancer> humdinger: what did you do to them?[20:33:53] <humdinger> gcc2/4: can't tell from running an app[20:33:55] <OmniMancer> Julka: in what way?[20:34:13] <[JJ]Albert> And the issues in *nix are just as likely to occur in Haiku if it isn't managed right in the public stage.[20:34:19] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:34:39] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[20:34:56] <[JJ]Albert> I think it's good that Haiku is a bit lukewarm in it's reception at the moment. It has time to perfect itself and prove a worthy opponent to *nix's clout.[20:35:00] <humdinger> OmniMancer: just some cleanup. removed redundancies. you had all the text from http://www.haiku-files.org/ in all the other builds pages as well.[20:35:04] <Julka> I often compile soft, I write mostly dumb bash scripts, but sometimes in C also(but dont like C++)[20:35:22] <[JJ]Albert> Nobody really likes C++, I've found.[20:35:31] <OmniMancer> humdinger: ah[20:35:45] <[JJ]Albert> Have you seen the D programing language, Julka?[20:35:46] <humdinger> and removed the stupid blue bar in top :)[20:35:48] <OmniMancer> Julka: gcc2h has gcc4 installed[20:36:39] <OmniMancer> I like C++[20:36:47] <[JJ]Albert> Lol[20:36:58] <OmniMancer> C++ is a fine language for certain things[20:37:04] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh.[20:37:06] <[JJ]Albert> True.[20:37:13] <[JJ]Albert> It's just sort of losing it[20:37:14] *** joppefan has joined #haiku[20:37:19] <[JJ]Albert> its street cred[20:37:36] <[JJ]Albert> And isn't the popular language it once was.[20:37:41] *** KapiX has left #haiku[20:37:46] <Julka> [JJ]Albert: heard. but never used. werent it proprietiary?[20:37:48] <[JJ]Albert> Still widely used, sure.[20:37:58] <[JJ]Albert> Nah, D is open.[20:38:20] <OmniMancer> the major implementation of D is by digital mars[20:38:31] <OmniMancer> there is atleast one llvm frontend[20:38:54] <[JJ]Albert> The compilers and crap are free. And though documentation on it is still kinda low, it's proving kinda popular among C++/C users who want something a little cleaner.[20:39:13] <[JJ]Albert> Mostly because the syntax is pretty much the same.[20:39:18] <augiedoggie> D is doomed to obscurity[20:39:19] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[20:39:26] <Julka> what is less evil: synthetic or tiltos?[20:39:44] <augiedoggie> synthetic, but neither will ever touch my system[20:39:45] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[20:39:48] <[JJ]Albert> It's too similar to C/C++ to become obscure. It's issue is acceptance.[20:39:59] <OmniMancer> Julka: lets put it this way: people in this channel do not like giving support for tiltos[20:40:18] * Hodapp <- not a fan of C++, but rather a fan of C.[20:40:26] <[JJ]Albert> In fact, you'll wake up in a dumpster just for saying that around these parts, Julka.[20:40:28] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:40:31] <[JJ]Albert> xD[20:40:34] <augiedoggie> D's issue is all the infighting about where it's going, and the archaic backend[20:40:36] * Hodapp looks at [JJ]Albert[20:40:53] <augiedoggie> their newsgroup is like one big bikeshed[20:40:54] * [JJ]Albert looks at Hodapp[20:40:54] <OmniMancer> augiedoggie: archaic backend?[20:41:15] <Julka> hmmm...I am not searching for support for tiltos, but only name of best PM for mine Haiku[20:41:16] <augiedoggie> it's an ancient symantec compiler[20:41:35] <Julka> another question is how to check what driver is used for mine r 9200?[20:41:38] <augiedoggie> that generates the machine code[20:41:39] <OmniMancer> augiedoggie: ick[20:42:08] <OmniMancer> hopefully the llvm D compiler supersedes it soon[20:42:28] <OmniMancer> Julka: open the screen preflet and hover over the monitor picture[20:42:30] <augiedoggie> doubtful[20:42:33] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh, the main compiler is crap, I've heard.[20:42:39] <OmniMancer> augiedoggie: :/[20:43:03] <[JJ]Albert> And my one pal who likes the project is looking foward to the LLVM D compiler superseding it too[20:43:21] <OmniMancer> I'm not sure what state it is in[20:43:34] <[JJ]Albert> Also, I'm not sure what the staredown was for, Hodapp.[20:43:44] <Julka> OmniMancer: ok, its radeon, so I have 2D accel now?[20:43:54] <OmniMancer> Julka: no[20:43:56] <Hodapp> [JJ]Albert: don't throw me in a dumpster![20:44:01] <[JJ]Albert> ...[20:44:04] <[JJ]Albert> Not you man.[20:44:11] <[JJ]Albert> It was a joke relayed to Julka.[20:44:18] <OmniMancer> you have the ability to set screen resolutions not covered by vesa[20:44:23] <[JJ]Albert> Go back to where you belong.[20:44:31] <OmniMancer> btw I think someone got the llvm D compiler going in haiku[20:44:38] * [JJ]Albert throws Hodapp in a well... Which is not a dumpster[20:44:39] <OmniMancer> llvm should still compile[20:44:50] <OmniMancer> I'll have to check it and clang again[20:45:42] <[JJ]Albert> Well, y'know what will never go out of style? Machine code. xD[20:46:30] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh, that joke failed. :p[20:46:58] <Julka> OmniMancer: there was 2D/3D driver for old radeon chips in the past, coould I compile it now? Did it supported 9200 too?[20:47:12] <OmniMancer> it did not do 3d[20:47:48] <OmniMancer> BeOS drivers to my knowledge do not work in haiku[20:47:59] <OmniMancer> and no haiku driver has had hardware 3d[20:48:43] <Julka> OmniMancer: http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/drivers/video/radeon-clicknset[20:48:50] <[JJ]Albert> yeh, which sucks. :([20:48:58] <OmniMancer> also the app server doesn't use 2d accel[20:49:14] <OmniMancer> Julka: BeOS[20:49:19] <OmniMancer> not haiku[20:49:44] <Julka> but when you read description "its from haiku cvs"[20:50:01] <OmniMancer> when haiku first started a long time ago[20:50:11] <OmniMancer> it started by replacing parts of BeOS[20:50:25] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[20:50:34] <PulkoMandy> actually[20:50:41] <PulkoMandy> the BeOS drivers should work for video[20:50:58] <PulkoMandy> and there is a 3D accelerated one, for early nvidia geforce cards[20:51:15] *** joppefan has quit IRC[20:51:17] <diver_> at least trident driver from R5 doesn't work[20:51:28] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: but still no 3d accel for haiku[20:51:57] <PulkoMandy> the nvidia driver does it[20:52:10] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: can't in haiku[20:52:15] <PulkoMandy> why ?[20:52:22] <OmniMancer> nothing uses it[20:52:28] <PulkoMandy> it just replaces opengl.so with its own version which is accelerated[20:52:33] <PulkoMandy> then all 3D apps can use it[20:52:39] <OmniMancer> hmmm[20:52:46] <OmniMancer> shrug[20:53:20] <PulkoMandy> 2d accel is another story, because our app_server is double buffered and does everything in RAM, so it's not possible to accelerate it a lot[20:53:29] <Julka> I am more interested in radeon driver, theres also i845 onboard[20:53:32] <PulkoMandy> (we could use the blitter to copy from ram to vram)[20:53:37] <OmniMancer> not entirely useful since its probably from late 90s and so will not have any new OGL stuff[20:55:12] <Julka> right, but sisters's machine is ~1998, so I dont wnat to run Crysis on it, but something like tuxracer or xmoto[20:55:15] <PulkoMandy> http://be-hold.linknaarlinux.tk/BeOS/NVdriver/[20:55:25] *** DebianTUX has joined #haiku[20:56:47] <DebianTUX> how is the comunity dealing with software porting for haiku?[20:57:17] *** joppefan has joined #haiku[20:57:26] <Julka> hmm...sp could I ytry compiling this driver and using older AppManager?[20:57:50] <OmniMancer> Julka: you can't use an old app server[20:59:02] <OmniMancer> DebianTUX: what do you mean?[20:59:11] <Anarchos> DebianTUX there is haiikuports which contains some useful tricks to port Unix apps[21:00:33] <Julka> OmniMancer: So I would need render to texture and than transfer it back to RAM, itd for OpenGL?[21:00:53] <OmniMancer> Julka: hmmm?[21:01:53] <Julka> I wonder how that driver provided OpenGL accel under BeOS MAX and if it would be possible to port it to Haiku[21:02:17] <OmniMancer> as PulkoMandy said it replaced the opengl library[21:02:38] <Julka> but radeon one, not NVidia[21:03:30] <PulkoMandy> we are likely going towards Gallium 3D stack[21:03:47] <PulkoMandy> it needs some porting work, but brings us support for more cardsat once[21:03:55] <OmniMancer> there might be a radeon one too, but I don't know if it would support your card or work[21:04:16] <OmniMancer> also gallium would support new opengl and other stuff too[21:04:33] <Julka> right, but Gallium driver never covered radeon 9200, its too old[21:04:56] <Julka> i found source code:[21:05:16] <Julka> http://www.codeforge.com/article/178552[21:07:00] *** Habstinat has quit IRC[21:07:38] <Julka> abyway 2D under Haiku is better than Linux + KMS(on that card), and new Mesa supports only KMS for radeons[21:08:24] <[JJ]Albert> Actually, what exactly is Tiltos? a fork of haiku for software stability?[21:08:57] <OmniMancer> tiltos is a collection of ports[21:09:08] <OmniMancer> the ports are not necessarily done well[21:09:16] <luroh> Julka: i doubt linux' KMS even supports 9200[21:09:27] <luroh> it was a quirky s.o.b., iirc[21:09:53] <Julka> it supports, its the omly way to get 3d accel now under Linux[21:10:11] <[JJ]Albert> What is[21:10:15] <Julka> UMS is deprecated for radeon mesa driver[21:10:52] <Julka> not only deprecated, but support has been removed ~3months ago in trunk[21:11:21] <[JJ]Albert> Well it seems like tiltos is helping Haiku with porting software?[21:11:23] <luroh> oh ok, sorry, i thought you meant kernel mode setting[21:11:42] <augiedoggie> hah[21:12:00] <[JJ]Albert> ?[21:12:03] <augiedoggie> tiltos borrows from haikuports[21:12:18] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[21:12:20] <augiedoggie> and the original ports he has done are ...... not well done[21:12:52] <augiedoggie> or go against the grain of Haiku[21:12:53] <[JJ]Albert> Ah, I see.[21:12:54] <Julka> thats right. Kernel Mode Setting, Mesa requires it for radeon[21:13:04] <[JJ]Albert> Just curious.[21:13:39] <OmniMancer> [JJ]Albert: the guy who does the ports made haiku "compile" under clang, seeing some of the edits he did its no surprise it did not work[21:13:49] <luroh> Julka: hm ok[21:13:50] <[JJ]Albert> Hmm, I see.[21:14:01] <[JJ]Albert> What is Pingwinek?[21:14:15] <OmniMancer> the original name I think[21:14:35] *** diver_ has quit IRC[21:14:42] <[JJ]Albert> Ah, even tho it has it's own website?[21:15:00] *** joppefan has quit IRC[21:16:21] <OmniMancer> [JJ]Albert: the way the ports are done seems to be hack away at it till it compiles and runs, but they don't prioritise good practise or making the software work properly[21:16:39] <[JJ]Albert> Hmm, I see.[21:17:02] <[JJ]Albert> Just curious.[21:17:24] <[JJ]Albert> So do you see any other Haiku forks in the future?[21:17:25] *** hdanak has quit IRC[21:17:54] <OmniMancer> i don't think its rally a fork[21:18:17] <[JJ]Albert> rally a fork.[21:18:24] <OmniMancer> really*[21:18:29] <[JJ]Albert> Sorry, I am just laughing at that. xD[21:18:45] <[JJ]Albert> The image in my head of a fork being rallied.[21:19:39] <[JJ]Albert> The forks are off to fight the spoons and the knifes.[21:19:53] <[JJ]Albert> In the great silver-war.[21:20:01] <[JJ]Albert> Get it? Silver-war?[21:20:06] <[JJ]Albert> Eh, sorry...[21:20:44] <[JJ]Albert> So it looks as tho Haiku is in the google summer thing again.[21:20:50] <luroh> [JJ]Albert: i'm sorry to say i wouldn't rule out a fork or two once R1 is out[21:21:20] <luroh> there are some watershed decisions to be made at that point, if not sooner[21:21:20] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[21:21:22] <[JJ]Albert> Why sorry? If handled by your definition of competence for once, it might just help.[21:21:33] <[JJ]Albert> But, dunno...[21:22:27] <luroh> well, that day may be another 10 years off, so no point worrying about that yet :)[21:23:01] <[JJ]Albert> Lol, this thing is more stable now in alpha than what *nix was capable of at beta.[21:24:10] <luroh> well, that's a good thing, at least[21:24:22] <[JJ]Albert> So why 10 years?[21:24:32] <[JJ]Albert> I'm thinking under 10 years at least.[21:24:36] <OmniMancer> [JJ]Albert: progress occurs slowly[21:24:43] *** Habstinat has joined #haiku[21:24:48] <[JJ]Albert> The GSOC is upon us.[21:24:49] <Anarchos> [JJ]Albert cause the plan is to release only top quality software[21:25:06] <[JJ]Albert> What new and exciting developments shall occur this summer?[21:25:25] <[JJ]Albert> Well, if you wanna make fine China, I guess so.[21:25:28] <OmniMancer> someone is working on x86_64[21:25:32] <[JJ]Albert> Kewl.[21:25:38] <augiedoggie> meh[21:25:43] <[JJ]Albert> Anybody working on graphics cards.[21:25:47] <[JJ]Albert> Lol, augie.[21:26:23] *** joppefan has joined #haiku[21:28:13] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[21:28:19] *** orbital_fox_ has joined #haiku[21:28:33] <luroh> [JJ]Albert: R1 was "mere months away" back in 2007, i'm just extrapolating :)[21:28:57] <luroh> just kidding of course, time is not important[21:29:06] <joppefan> still months away :)[21:29:10] <luroh> as long as there is still x86 hw left to buy ;)[21:29:31] <luroh> joppefan: true enough :)[21:29:42] <[JJ]Albert> Lol, yeh[21:30:48] <Julka> what are "*.proj" files?[21:31:01] <Julka> they have MIDE at beginning[21:31:05] <augiedoggie> for the old BeIDE[21:31:41] <Julka> and looks like binaries, so cannot use 'sed' to make Makefiles from them :/[21:31:50] *** [r4] has quit IRC[21:31:59] <humdinger> Julka: get Paladin (installoptionalpackage)[21:32:00] <augiedoggie> paladin can do conversion on some of them[21:32:05] <humdinger> It should open proj files[21:33:12] <DebianTUX> Anarchos hum, nice...[21:34:14] <Julka> hmmm...anyway I cannot find references to mesa/opengl using find/grep[21:35:20] <Julka> so not sure how they used it to get 3D accel, probably theres 3rd component[21:39:45] <Julka> I am missing 'file' utility unde Haiku[21:40:18] <Julka> and ldd, mediainfo, and many more[21:40:27] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:40:44] <augiedoggie> there is no ldd[21:40:49] <augiedoggie> file is available at haikuports[21:41:40] <hamishm> objdump -x lib.so | fgrep NEEDED[21:41:46] <hamishm> does the same as ldd[21:42:15] <augiedoggie> not technically the "same" :P[21:43:02] <hamishm> well for listing library loads at least[21:43:05] <hamishm> what else does ldd do?[21:43:18] <augiedoggie> does a path lookup to see which lib would actually be used[21:43:43] <hamishm> ah[21:43:53] <Anarchos> what is the best way to do hexa addition ? Deskcalc is only 10 base[21:45:18] * Anarchos is looking 2001 space odissey on vlc on haiku \o/[21:46:42] <luroh> Anarchos: google[21:46:58] <luroh> literaly, type it into the google search bar[21:47:10] <luroh> 0x1a + 0x2b[21:48:49] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[21:48:51] <Julka> what would I need to install on gcc4 to be compile apps using allegro libs?[21:50:51] <Anarchos> luroh i thought about gdb[21:51:14] <Julka> and to install soft from zip/pkg files I simply use 'unzip', or are there tools that will trace changes and allow to uninstall later?[21:52:47] <augiedoggie> bc can do hex math[21:52:53] <PulkoMandy> Julka: jsut unzip[21:53:05] <PulkoMandy> and you can get allegro lib from haiku ports[21:53:13] <PulkoMandy> but it's a bit broken I think[21:53:21] <PulkoMandy> (fixed the keyboard handling recently)[21:53:37] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:57:45] *** Habstinat has quit IRC[22:00:05] <Anarchos> interesting : a scratchy dvd blocking vlc makes Web+ really slow...[22:01:16] *** joppefan has quit IRC[22:01:51] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[22:16:23] <Julka> unzip -d /boot?[22:17:57] *** orbital_fox_ has quit IRC[22:17:57] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[22:18:04] <OmniMancer> you can use extractor too[22:19:14] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[22:19:49] <Julka> I dont have extraxctor in bash[22:25:24] <PulkoMandy> it's Expander[22:25:30] <OmniMancer> yea sorry[22:25:33] <OmniMancer> and it's a gui program[22:25:37] <PulkoMandy> and opens when you double click the file in tracker[22:27:44] <Julka> I dont like GUI, I am hardcore CLI[22:27:58] <Julka> LibPak is safe?[22:28:09] <dreamed> if you're hardcore CLI why are you in the channel for a GUI OS? Shouldn't you be on a VAX or something? P[22:28:40] * augiedoggie doesn't really like the VMS CLI[22:29:00] <augiedoggie> I should know, I worked as a VMS admin for many years :P[22:29:06] <dreamed> heh[22:29:17] <dreamed> I've touched it a handful of times, but mostly only in an operator role[22:29:25] <dreamed> well, and trying to source replacement parts on ebay :P[22:30:13] *** Julka has quit IRC[22:30:49] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:32:02] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[22:34:05] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[22:35:00] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:36:47] <Anarchos> augiedoggie i learned on vax/VMS in 1999 at engineer school. year after they switched to networked PCs...[22:42:00] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:45:06] *** synchris has quit IRC[22:47:39] *** robert_negro has left #haiku[22:52:15] <Hodapp> this is running quite smoothly on my Eee[22:52:38] <Hodapp> been using it just as a media player for the past few hours[22:53:00] <Hodapp> much less glitchy than Android ICS >_>[22:53:00] <stpere> nice :)[22:54:35] <Hodapp> it is very smooth and responsive - especially with the 600 MHz and 512 MB RAM and running from a crappy USB key[22:55:35] <Hodapp> too bad going to About Haiku to see specs made the audio skip... why does it take so long to load the right half of that window?[22:56:53] <Hodapp> other apps don't seem to do that[22:57:23] <luroh> i don't know, it's a long list, perhaps it's doing layouting[22:57:44] <Hodapp> ahhh[22:57:45] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:57:45] <luroh> i do seem to recall it being discussed at some point though[22:57:45] *** mmadia has quit IRC[22:57:45] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:58:29] <Hodapp> man, wish I had some better hardware for this... maybe it'll at least use an external LCD okay[22:58:40] <Hodapp> 800x480 is not great[22:59:53] <Hodapp> but out of the box, no configuration needed, it works remarkably well on this[23:00:03] <Anarchos> Hodapp i use vesa in 1024*748 *32 and it works fine[23:00:09] *** KapiX has left #haiku[23:00:30] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[23:00:56] <Hodapp> Anarchos: I tried earlier and got garbage on the LCD (a 1920x1080 one)[23:01:00] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[23:01:30] <Hodapp> not sure what mode... didn't\couldn't change it[23:01:40] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[23:02:00] *** robert_negro has joined #haiku[23:02:57] <Anarchos> Hodapp you can hitting tab at startup or putting a vesa.mode file in a specific directory[23:03:07] <Hodapp> ok[23:04:20] <Hodapp> What kind of hardware do you all run on?[23:05:17] <mmadia> x86. ;)[23:05:17] *** robert_negro has quit IRC[23:06:24] <luroh> various older stuff here, admittedly[23:06:55] <luroh> t42, t60 laptops, single-core amd64 desktops[23:07:36] <Anarchos> Hodapp x86 (64 bits but running haiku in 32 bits)[23:08:24] <Anarchos> luroh and single core :)[23:08:30] <Anarchos> luroh oups, double core sorry[23:14:15] *** tr-808 has joined #haiku[23:17:52] <CIA-64> haiku.master: scottmc * hrev44266 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=14fc8a0 : Corrected build dates for gcc2 builds of sdl-sound and sdl-net [8 commits][23:18:54] *** RQ has quit IRC[23:19:27] <Hodapp> hmm, something just happened and mediaplayer quit playing, along with apparently any other soun[23:19:30] <Hodapp> ...d[23:20:18] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[23:20:24] *** orbital_fox_ has joined #haiku[23:26:47] *** mmlr_thinkpad has joined #haiku[23:27:31] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:36:15] *** stippi has joined #haiku[23:36:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[23:39:21] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:45:40] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:48:32] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:50:04] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #579 of powerpc-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [ppc] haiku-image [ppc] @nightly-raw] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/powerpc-any-host/builds/579 blamelist: Scott McCreary <scottmc2 at gmail dot com>[23:50:47] *** dak__ has joined #haiku[23:53:33] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:55:16] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[23:55:50] *** HAIKU-Buildbot has quit IRC[23:55:56] *** tr-808 has joined #haiku[23:58:25] *** hdanak has joined #haiku