June 24, 2012 
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June 24, 2012 [00:00:10] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[00:00:25] *** Hubert^^_ is now known as Hubert^^[00:00:27] *** dcase has quit IRC[00:04:04] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:08:38] <xenu> not, latest nightly[00:12:31] *** sethlutz has quit IRC[00:16:28] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[00:21:20] <Archlyric> is there a release timeline?[00:21:30] <Archlyric> just browsing the site and i dont see anything[00:21:43] <Archlyric> just the alpha 3 was realease a year ago lol[00:21:56] <Premislaus> no, only feature complete[00:22:27] <mmadia> there's been a lot of talk about doing an alpha 4, but time seems to be short for most people right now. :|[00:22:27] <Premislaus> http://dev.haiku-os.org/roadmap[00:24:13] <Archlyric> want me to test haiku on all my machines and submit a report?[00:24:26] <Premislaus> :)[00:24:30] <Archlyric> ty premislaus[00:25:02] <Premislaus> np[00:26:07] <Archlyric> it seems so pointless to do a3 tho if theres been a year of development since then[00:26:20] <Archlyric> nightly builds then i guess?[00:26:28] <mmadia> yes, http://www.haiku-files.org/haiku/development[00:27:09] <Archlyric> coold i got 7 or 8 machines i can play with :)[00:27:14] <Archlyric> cool*[00:27:33] <Archlyric> and a variety of hardware[00:28:49] <Archlyric> its been a long time since ive been using beos and such[00:29:27] <Archlyric> is there 3d support?[00:29:39] <augiedoggie> software[00:30:27] <Archlyric> im just curious i remember it being pretty limited on beos r5[00:30:58] <Archlyric> same with java, did it ever get finished? i think a guy named bryan was working on it?[00:31:22] <augiedoggie> read the front page of the site, there is an article about it[00:33:00] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:35:04] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:35:20] <Archlyric> o snap thats crazy[00:39:23] *** janiczek has quit IRC[00:41:08] *** ^dam0 has joined #haiku[00:42:10] <mmu_man> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/apples-unfixable-devices/[00:45:25] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[00:52:34] <Archlyric> hmm where do you reccomend i put the details?[00:52:37] <Archlyric> sry[00:52:56] <Archlyric> where to you recomend i put my hardware report? is there a wiki?[00:53:20] <augiedoggie> haikuware has a hardware database somewhere[00:53:50] <augiedoggie> if it fails on a machine, then you could search for existing bugs or file a new report[00:54:20] <Archlyric> if it fails im gunna do everything in my power to make it work :p[00:54:32] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[00:55:51] <Archlyric> im going with hardware from the p2/p3/p4 era as well as some newer machines from there (dual core)[00:56:34] <Archlyric> if it helps with the development of haiku im down for testing[00:57:33] <[JJ]Albert> Kewl.[00:57:50] <[JJ]Albert> Speaking of which, I think my new computer will arrive monday.[00:58:07] <[JJ]Albert> Seeing as it's not a work day. :\[00:58:20] <[JJ]Albert> Today isn't, I mean.[01:09:03] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[01:09:43] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:09:46] *** tr-808 has joined #haiku[01:10:16] <Archlyric> lol i got the day off too[01:11:51] <Archlyric> i bet alot of haiku drivers are r5 compatible eh?[01:12:16] <mmadia> not really. ....[01:12:38] <mmadia> Haiku binaries aren't meant to run on BeOS.[01:12:58] <mmadia> and these days, most of the source code won't compile on BeOS anymore either.[01:14:01] <Archlyric> rats lol[01:16:09] <Archlyric> cant beleive haku has made it so far[01:20:02] <[JJ]Albert> Haha... Zerg rush.[01:20:26] <[JJ]Albert> Well it's been in development for 12 years now, right?[01:21:27] <[JJ]Albert> 11 years, more like, but still.[01:21:32] <[JJ]Albert> It's going on 12.[01:22:13] <[JJ]Albert> BTW, what's the midi instrument system in Haiku?[01:22:31] <[JJ]Albert> software synth.[01:22:35] <[JJ]Albert> :p[01:22:37] <[JJ]Albert> Yeah.[01:22:44] <Archlyric> no idea lol[01:23:46] <[JJ]Albert> Fluidsynth would be good.[01:24:43] <Archlyric> i think im going to try and get beos to boot on my xbox1[01:24:55] <[JJ]Albert> Good luck, lol.[01:24:55] <Archlyric> with xboxlinux and beos4Linux[01:25:02] <DHowett> uh[01:25:14] <DHowett> beos4linux? it must be some sort of virtual machine, no?[01:25:29] <DHowett> (that's like 'windows4linux' or 'linux4macosx')[01:25:30] <[JJ]Albert> I thought he said beos4xbox.[01:25:40] <[JJ]Albert> That sounds ALMOST feasible.[01:25:56] <[JJ]Albert> ALMOST... Seeing as the CPU is Tualatin-based P3.[01:25:58] <Archlyric> http://www.bebits.com/app/2680[01:26:06] <Archlyric> nvidia graphics tho[01:26:11] <DHowett> ah! right, the spox is an x86[01:26:14] <DHowett> xbox*[01:26:24] <Archlyric> that it is ;)[01:26:45] <Archlyric> and i got usb to xbox cables[01:27:02] <Archlyric> so theres the mouse and keyboard problem solved[01:27:15] <[JJ]Albert> Nvidia graphics th[01:27:16] <[JJ]Albert> o[01:27:23] *** DaQatz has joined #haiku[01:27:46] <Archlyric> yeah hopefully i dont have to use vesa[01:27:52] <Archlyric> if its even possible[01:28:33] <Archlyric> GPU and system chipset: 233 MHz "NV2A" ASIC. Co-developed by Microsoft and Nvidia.[01:30:13] <Archlyric> maybe those nvidia drivers that were coded for the tnt2 would work if the ids are changed?[01:30:33] <[JJ]Albert> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/drivers/video/unified-nvidia-driver[01:30:45] <Archlyric> Audio processor: NVIDIA "MCPX" (a.k.a. SoundStorm "NVAPU") screwed again lol[01:31:38] <Archlyric> seems like an uphill battle[01:32:22] <Archlyric> BeOS4Xbox just sounds so cool[01:32:58] <[JJ]Albert> Totally. Especially given the specs of the system. It's just about perfect for Xbox.[01:33:20] <Archlyric> i think i might give it a shot[01:33:22] <DHowett> Assuming the date can be set past 2010[01:33:32] <Archlyric> oh yeah[01:33:38] <Archlyric> still havent figured that one out[01:33:47] <Archlyric> probably just need to edit a file or something[01:33:57] <DHowett> /system/max_date[01:33:57] <DHowett> ;P[01:34:13] <[JJ]Albert> Hmm, also, it seems that by codename the NV2A might be a quadro series chip.[01:34:14] <Archlyric> look at that problem solved lol[01:34:42] <Archlyric> quadro? given the era u could be right[01:34:50] <Archlyric> or even geforce 2[01:34:53] <[JJ]Albert> If this works man, I might order some XBOX-USB cables and get my old Xbox running.[01:35:16] <[JJ]Albert> And use it as a computer for a TV. :D[01:35:59] <Archlyric> im on it, i gotta find a copy of xbox linux and do some serious sifting[01:35:59] <[JJ]Albert> Erm, the aliasing on that might be OK I would hope.[01:36:27] <[JJ]Albert> Prolly just increase the font size.[01:36:37] <Archlyric> your tv could probably run 640x480[01:36:50] <Archlyric> if its pre lcd era[01:36:56] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh.[01:37:05] <[JJ]Albert> I would prolly use it for my mothers TV.[01:37:13] <[JJ]Albert> So she'd stop hogging the laptop. xD[01:37:24] <[JJ]Albert> Get her a wireless mouse/keyboard set.[01:37:31] <[JJ]Albert> She's been asking for one of those.[01:37:48] <Archlyric> you can make an xbox usb cable[01:37:53] <Archlyric> thats what i did lol[01:37:59] <[JJ]Albert> Nah, I suck at soldering.[01:38:16] <[JJ]Albert> I'd rather waste the 5-7 bucks on cheap Chinese cables.[01:38:30] <Archlyric> http://www.justuber.com/blog/2008/01/26/modifying-the-xbox-making-a-usb-cable/[01:38:46] <Archlyric> its too easy[01:39:39] <[JJ]Albert> Hmm[01:39:41] <Archlyric> oh man i just realized xboxs only have 64mb of ram[01:39:45] <[JJ]Albert> Now that I notice it.[01:39:47] <[JJ]Albert> Lol[01:39:50] <Archlyric> they can be upgraded[01:40:21] <[JJ]Albert> Is the 360 breakaway cable the same plug as the old breakaway for xbox?[01:40:47] <Archlyric> nope[01:40:56] <[JJ]Albert> No no, I don't mean the system plugs.[01:41:04] <[JJ]Albert> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gray-Adapter-Controller-USB-Breakaway-Cable-For-XBOX-360-/160824747871?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item2571e6e75f[01:41:07] <[JJ]Albert> That thing.[01:41:17] <[JJ]Albert> It looks a bit like the old breakaway plug.[01:41:57] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[01:42:03] <Archlyric> yeah it does[01:42:08] <Archlyric> lemme look at a controller[01:42:16] <[JJ]Albert> kk[01:42:52] <Archlyric> yep[01:42:59] <Archlyric> looks 100% the same[01:43:02] <[JJ]Albert> Because it that thing is about the same, then I could fashion a male-to-male adapter for the breakaway.[01:43:18] <[JJ]Albert> And then, isn't there a female to female usb?[01:43:39] <Archlyric> aka usb extension cable?[01:43:50] <[JJ]Albert> Er, yeah[01:43:55] <Archlyric> i used one of those to make my cable[01:43:56] <[JJ]Albert> Except for female to female, yes.[01:44:44] <Archlyric> if u get a 4port usb hub and you got a cable then your set[01:45:00] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[01:45:02] <Archlyric> i use one that doesnt need any drivers[01:45:55] <[JJ]Albert> Well then, that'd be kewl.[01:46:26] <Archlyric> nobody in the modding scene has even tried beos[01:46:35] <Archlyric> so its all trial and error[01:47:01] <Archlyric> i think if i can get a copy of xbox linux i can mod the bootloader to boot up beos[01:47:10] <[JJ]Albert> Yeah.[01:47:23] <[JJ]Albert> If it does work, you can release it and be famous.[01:47:25] <[JJ]Albert> :p[01:47:49] <[JJ]Albert> Well, if you travel back to when the xbox modding scene mattered.[01:47:51] <Archlyric> haha no doubt[01:48:06] <[JJ]Albert> It's not so popular anymore.[01:48:06] <Archlyric> is your modded>[01:48:14] *** hamishm has quit IRC[01:48:28] <[JJ]Albert> Mine is not modded. However, it is easier to softmod the xbox.[01:48:39] <Archlyric> yeah i softmodded mine lol[01:48:47] <Archlyric> hotswap method[01:49:10] <[JJ]Albert> The dreamcast is already modded, lol.[01:49:32] <[JJ]Albert> It literally boots CD-Rs if they are burnt right.[01:49:39] <Archlyric> haha yeah i didnt realise that when i bough mine last summer[01:49:54] <Archlyric> then i just tried a burnt disc and it worked lol[01:50:04] <[JJ]Albert> It's nice because real dreamcast discs get ruined easily.[01:50:14] <[JJ]Albert> So it's easy to replace JSR.[01:50:23] <[JJ]Albert> Or JGR, in the states.[01:50:33] <[JJ]Albert> Jet Set Radio. Jet Grind Radio.[01:50:41] <geist> ahh yay dreamcast[01:50:52] <geist> i played with mine recently a bit. thouguh i seemed to have lost a bunch of the discs[01:50:54] <[JJ]Albert> I think they changed it to jet grind because Jet Set is more of a european term for rich ppl.[01:51:14] <[JJ]Albert> Or a british term, rather.[01:51:16] <Archlyric> i always wondered the difference[01:51:32] <[JJ]Albert> Like the British game Jet Set Willy.[01:51:34] <[JJ]Albert> xD[01:51:48] <Archlyric> so xbox1 is the only x86 console[01:51:51] <geist> there was an xbox version too[01:52:04] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh[01:52:07] <[JJ]Albert> JSRF[01:52:10] <[JJ]Albert> Future.[01:52:16] <[JJ]Albert> I played it. It was OK.[01:52:28] <[JJ]Albert> Wasn't as amazing as the dreamcast game.[01:52:39] <[JJ]Albert> Considering that system was so ahead of its time.[01:52:43] <geist> i seem to remember the same thing[01:53:06] <Archlyric> remember the memory cards with little screens on them?[01:53:11] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh[01:53:15] <[JJ]Albert> VMUs, I think.[01:53:26] <Archlyric> that was soo cool, i almost got a chance to buy one recently[01:54:10] <[JJ]Albert> I got my first one for 20 bucks, back when the system was just pulled off the market.[01:54:20] <[JJ]Albert> I got my second one for 2 bucks.[01:54:43] <Archlyric> nice[01:54:58] <Archlyric> hey i just remembered, the beos might not like the fatx filesystem[01:55:00] <[JJ]Albert> Both can boot CD-r's no prob.[01:55:10] <[JJ]Albert> Hmm, yeh.[01:55:16] <Archlyric> i bought mine fo 60 bucks[01:55:21] <[JJ]Albert> Oh dear.[01:55:24] <[JJ]Albert> Boxed?[01:55:29] <Archlyric> ya[01:55:36] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, well OK.[01:55:44] <[JJ]Albert> I remember seeing a boxed one at a rummage sale.[01:55:49] <[JJ]Albert> It was overpriced.[01:55:59] <[JJ]Albert> Both mine were boxless.[01:56:08] <[JJ]Albert> It's a great system tho[01:59:56] <Archlyric> oh totally, its a shame that it failed[02:00:02] <Archlyric> i wanna get mine online[02:00:08] <geist> i hacked mine a bit[02:00:15] <geist> newos was even ported to it at some point[02:00:22] <Archlyric> use one of these towers to run windows 98 amd do some ics[02:00:26] <geist> there's probably SH4 code still in haiku as a result of that[02:00:33] <Archlyric> i just read about newos lol weird[02:00:49] <geist> yeah, that was my probject about 12 years ago[02:00:58] <geist> it morphed into the start of haiku[02:01:07] <Archlyric> really?[02:01:12] <Archlyric> thats awesome[02:01:13] <geist> yep[02:01:45] <Archlyric> do you still work on it?[02:02:06] <Archlyric> nvm[02:02:09] <[JJ]Albert> Lol[02:02:12] <Archlyric> i see your info lol[02:02:13] <geist> not much. i have other os projects now[02:02:20] <[JJ]Albert> It looks like a dead seal.[02:02:40] <geist> mostly my lack of web page design[02:02:49] <[JJ]Albert> Allot of those ideas seem like[02:02:51] <Archlyric> did you ever get a gui? or is it all command line?[02:02:51] <geist> haiku is the logical successor[02:02:56] <[JJ]Albert> "modern" from early 00s standards.[02:03:09] <geist> i hacked a bit on a gui, but i wasn't really interested in gui stuff[02:03:53] <Archlyric> The system currently can be built to run on the follwing systems:[02:03:53] <Archlyric> Intel IA-32 (x86) - Tested on desktops through 4-way servers[02:03:53] <Archlyric> Sega Dreamcast - Hitachi SH-4[02:03:53] <Archlyric> PPC based machines - G3/G4 Macs, Pegasos[02:03:57] <geist> then about the time haiku forked it i kind of got tired of playing catch up with them[02:04:06] <[JJ]Albert> Lol[02:04:16] <[JJ]Albert> And so the website is just a gravestone.[02:04:25] <[JJ]Albert> http://newos.org/[02:04:26] <geist> wow, mobid?[02:04:32] <geist> morbid eh?[02:04:45] <geist> the repo is still acitve, i fool with it every once in a while, but not lately[02:04:56] <geist> http://github.com/travisg/newos[02:06:05] <Archlyric> i hear that its impossible to run beos on an imac g3. and ive heard all the reasons why it wont, BUT do you think its possible?[02:06:16] <geist> beos or haiku?[02:06:20] <Archlyric> beos[02:06:22] <Archlyric> ppc[02:06:23] <geist> impossi le[02:06:32] <Archlyric> damn[02:06:55] <Archlyric> just thought id ask somebody that more than likely knows seeing as how your coded an os for pc[02:06:57] <geist> if you had the source, it might be possible to port it[02:07:00] <Archlyric> ppc*[02:07:04] <geist> i used to work at Be too[02:07:16] <geist> i think someone had a port running on neworld macs, but we had switched to x86 by then[02:07:20] <Archlyric> im honored[02:07:26] <geist> and apple would have probably kileld us[02:08:05] <Archlyric> yeah no doubt[02:08:24] <geist> basically with g3 macs the cpu was only slightly newer[02:08:26] <[JJ]Albert> Except mebbe 6th generation consoles.[02:08:28] <Archlyric> so do you think that i could possibly get beos to run on an xbox 1 then?[02:08:33] <geist> but the firmware and most of the system hardware was different[02:08:36] <geist> and at the time undocumented[02:08:51] <geist> since then folks have figured enough out that everyone can run on it, it's just shared knowledge[02:08:55] <geist> but at the time, it was a black box[02:09:02] <geist> Archlyric: no[02:09:05] <geist> haiku, sure[02:09:20] <geist> i had newos runnong on an xbox1 before. it's not much different from a PC[02:09:28] <geist> but different enough that you can't just plunk a PC os on it[02:09:33] <Archlyric> its got an x86 p3[02:09:39] <geist> celeron 733[02:09:50] <[JJ]Albert> Same thing[02:09:52] <Archlyric> im thinking on using the xbox linux idea[02:09:55] <geist> problem is the bios and the boot method and some of the standard PC peripherals aren't there[02:10:07] <geist> so you have to at least deal with that. it's pretty easy if you have the source and know what you're doing[02:10:23] <[JJ]Albert> He was gonna use xbox-linux and beos4linux[02:10:30] <geist> i have a modded xbox somewhere. someone sent it to me to port newos to it[02:10:38] <geist> i figured, hey, free xbox[02:10:41] <Archlyric> nice[02:10:44] <Archlyric> haha[02:11:54] <Archlyric> theres always an x86emu i guess but with 64mb ram[02:12:11] <geist> really, there's not much point to it. it's just a slow pc[02:12:30] <geist> with a bunch of proprietary crap to make it not generic[02:12:43] <Archlyric> true[02:12:59] <Archlyric> that makes complete sense[02:13:43] <Archlyric> what about custom bios?[02:14:37] <geist> what about it?[02:14:51] <Archlyric> i found this on wikipedia "A partial port of Windows XP is available on some modding websites but this usually involves removing the CPU and resoldering a different Pentium III as well as a heavily modified BIOS.[citation needed] One advantage over a regular, unmodded Xbox, is the ability to use a trainer"[02:15:15] <DHowett> uh[02:15:18] <DHowett> that sounds like a terrible idea[02:15:22] <geist> yeah, pretty much[02:16:41] <Archlyric> well thanks for ruining my day haha[02:17:52] <Archlyric> actually it just helps me to learn. im trying to archive everything i can with dead os's for historical reasons, im buying old towers and crap and starting a little mini mueseum/labratory in my basement[02:18:29] <Archlyric> bought a beos r5 pro disc on ebay[02:18:58] <Archlyric> i got tons of qnx discs[02:19:09] <Archlyric> os/2 warp 4[02:19:20] <Archlyric> rhapsody[02:19:32] <Archlyric> aka mac os x server but for x86 ;)[02:20:29] <^dam0> this is my p4, runs beos 5 pro without intel cpu patch[02:20:56] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:20:58] <^dam0> and 768mb ram without the ram limiter[02:22:53] <Archlyric> so haiku and xbox wouldnt be to bad of a choice then?[02:23:32] <Archlyric> it would have to be able to read the fatx filesystem probably too eh?[02:24:45] <HeTo> you would first have to make Haiku boot with just 64 MiB RAM[02:26:47] <geist> i forget if they encrypted the ddisk or not[02:26:51] <geist> guess not. fatx was enough at the time[02:29:07] <HeTo> they also locked the disk with a password[02:31:00] <geist> oh that's right. yeah. you had to squirt down some code to get the drive working[02:34:05] *** ^dam0 has quit IRC[02:34:46] <Archlyric> oh no a thunder storm[02:34:56] <Archlyric> i gotta go :( sry guys[02:36:21] <Archlyric> ill be back thats for sure[02:36:29] <geist> have fun[02:36:32] <geist> wish it'd rain here[02:36:44] <Archlyric> come to canada[02:36:46] <Archlyric> lol[02:37:07] <geist> i live in sunny california[02:37:10] <geist> very boring weather[02:37:14] <geist> awesome, all the time[02:37:31] <Archlyric> haha i wish...[02:37:38] <Archlyric> anyways gotta roll, take care[02:37:43] *** Archlyric has quit IRC[02:53:39] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[02:54:13] *** 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symbols in there from other packages that Haiku doesn't have[04:04:02] <tidux|haiku> oh[04:04:03] <tidux|haiku> figures[04:04:21] <augiedoggie> looks like some X11,kerberos,tls stuff[04:04:26] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[04:04:51] <tidux|haiku> well that's weird[04:05:04] <tidux|haiku> I tried not to include stuff from the kerberos libs[04:05:24] <tidux|haiku> oh well, looks like I'll have to start working on the actual C code instead of massaging the makefile until it compiles[04:06:16] <augiedoggie> hmm[04:06:55] <augiedoggie> those ssl symbols don't show up at all in the ssl headers on my linux box[04:07:09] <augiedoggie> I think the compile command is missing one of the source files or something[04:07:31] <tidux|haiku> no, that part of the command is still automatic[04:07:56] <augiedoggie> yeah, but I think it's hosed[04:08:22] <tidux|haiku> there are ways to build ckermit with support for kerberos, tls, etc.[04:08:29] <tidux|haiku> but I thought I'd avoided that[04:09:19] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:10:12] *** juaa_ has quit IRC[04:10:47] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[04:13:12] <tidux|haiku> ok, looking at the makefile section for linux with ssl support[04:13:20] <tidux|haiku> does Haiku have libdes?[04:13:24] <augiedoggie> no[04:13:46] <tidux|haiku> ah[04:15:21] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:15:53] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:22:48] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[04:26:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:28:06] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:29:16] *** tidux|haiku has left #haiku[04:31:37] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[04:41:06] *** e1ven has joined #haiku[04:43:13] *** e1ven has quit IRC[04:43:13] *** e1ven has joined #haiku[04:47:47] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[05:06:01] *** Megaf has quit IRC[05:08:40] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[05:19:11] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[05:51:42] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[05:53:52] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:11:29] *** e1ven has quit IRC[06:14:52] <CIA-64> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44255 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=9c7d559 : Update DejaVu fonts to version 2.33.[06:18:20] *** Habstinat has quit IRC[06:20:44] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[06:25:10] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[06:25:38] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[07:25:30] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[07:46:22] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[07:57:22] *** jimage has quit IRC[08:05:28] *** jimage has joined #haiku[08:52:41] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:17:43] *** swarfega|away has quit IRC[09:18:35] *** swarfega|away has joined #haiku[09:18:41] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[09:21:37] *** [aspirin] has quit IRC[09:30:18] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[09:34:06] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[09:34:56] *** tqh has quit IRC[09:40:44] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[09:42:58] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:00:20] *** P4R4N01D1 has joined #haiku[10:00:35] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[10:07:55] *** yongcong has quit IRC[10:08:38] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[10:35:39] *** Abhishek91 has joined 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#haiku[12:51:14] <cizra> Hi! I saw some mention of an ancient version of Emacs running on Haiku, with TUI only. Is that still true?[12:57:22] <cizra> Also, wouldn't Emacs run contrary to Haiku principles? "and various DEs with disparate toolkits such as GTK+ and Qt -- that do not necessarily share the same guidelines and/or goals"[12:57:25] *** yongcong has quit IRC[12:58:40] <Anarchos> cizra sure, but you can't prevent people to port software...[12:58:50] <cizra> :-)[12:59:11] <Anarchos> cizra i ported LaTeX, it is a nice software but sure not as simple as it could ![12:59:53] <cizra> Nah, I was just thinking what exactly I need from an OS. Currently the list stands at: a web browser, a Jabber client, Emacs, Coq, GHC.[13:02:01] <Anarchos> cizra by Coq , you mean the proof assistant ?[13:03:19] *** Abhishek91 has quit IRC[13:09:34] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[13:15:24] <cizra> yes[13:24:10] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[13:25:30] <Anarchos> cizra i ported it some years ago ;)[13:25:39] <Anarchos> cizra you just need an ocaml compiler[13:25:47] <Anarchos> cizra and there is one port in optional package[13:34:17] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[13:39:09] <cizra> hmm, OK[13:41:28] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[13:47:58] *** jjido has joined #haiku[13:52:25] *** kcj has quit IRC[13:54:19] *** jjido has quit IRC[13:56:37] *** jjido has joined #haiku[14:01:27] <arfonzo> ahoy, mateys[14:02:26] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[14:07:31] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[14:08:15] <Anarchos> cizra what do you do with coq ?[14:11:14] <andreas_dr> hi all.[14:11:49] *** jjido has quit IRC[14:14:05] <andreas_dr> Just discovered haikuports. great stuff.[14:14:18] *** kcj has joined #haiku[14:14:45] *** tqh has joined #haiku[14:17:33] <cizra> Anarchos: Learn it, currently.[14:17:56] <cizra> But I'd prefer to use it with Proof General, which requires an Emacs port.[14:22:17] *** Habstinat has joined #haiku[14:22:47] *** jjido has joined #haiku[14:24:32] *** jstressman has quit IRC[14:24:52] <Anarchos> cizra i don't know proof general, though i am currently developing my own first order theorem verifier[14:31:47] <cizra> Proof General is an addition to Emacs (a major mode, I believe, they call it) which makes it comfortable to read, write, explore Coq proofs. But that's all way beside the point, if Emacs won't run on Haiku.[14:34:01] *** Barrett has quit IRC[14:36:50] *** tqh has quit IRC[14:37:31] <Anarchos> cizra do you have a screenshot of PG at work somewhere ?[14:38:16] <cizra> No, but I can produce one.[14:39:27] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[14:42:33] <cizra> http://postimage.org/image/bg94j8nul/full/[14:42:34] <Anarchos> cizra please :)[14:43:00] <cizra> There ya go[14:43:04] *** jjido has quit IRC[14:43:29] <cizra> It's basically Emacs, as you see. The Coq and ProofGeneral menus are added by the Proof General plugin.[14:43:34] <Anarchos> cizra ok ok[14:43:48] <Anarchos> cizra my soft will be better :)[14:44:03] <Anarchos> cizra in the sense that i drag and drop latex formulas directly in the interface :)[14:44:15] <Anarchos> cizra but it is not a prover, just a verifier[14:44:22] <cizra> Hey, man, I'm not competing with you.[14:45:35] <cizra> I just wondered if I could add Haiku the list of operating systems I could survive on.[14:46:49] <Anarchos> let me look for emacs, wait a second[14:48:01] <cizra> To be completely honest, I'm a picky computer user... For example, I insist that my OS should support CPU frequency scaling, and preferably turning cores on/off at runtime.[14:48:35] <Anarchos> cizra haiku can run cores on/off at runtime[14:48:46] <cizra> Nice. How about frequency scaling[14:48:53] <Anarchos> cizra what is that ?[14:49:06] <Anarchos> (for the cores i am sure cause i already use it)[14:49:07] *** tqh has joined #haiku[14:49:35] <cizra> ummm.. If the processor load is small, the CPU speed gets reduced. This helps to keep the CPU cool, reduce noise and whatnot.[14:51:07] <HeTo> cizra: frequency scaling is supported (or at least was around Alpha 3)[14:51:29] <HeTo> although around Alpha 3 the clock didn't work too well with CPU frequency scaling[14:51:40] <cizra> Hmmm.. OK[14:52:10] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[14:52:25] *** synchris has joined #haiku[14:52:25] *** synchris has joined #haiku[14:54:35] *** Habstinat has quit IRC[14:55:56] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[14:55:59] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[14:57:26] <yongcong> cizra: cpu freq scaling doesn't help power saving too much on desktop[14:57:48] <andreas_dr> cant get packages build with haikuports, tryed vlc and graphviz, anybody here with some experiences regarding this?[14:59:37] <cizra> yongcong: It helps to keep the CPU cool, at least I believe. My cooling is rather sucky. mprime would overheat my processor in no time.[15:01:27] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[15:03:10] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[15:03:24] <yongcong> hmm, have you measured the power usage by power meter?[15:03:53] <cizra> no[15:09:09] *** kcj has quit IRC[15:11:51] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[15:20:16] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[15:41:50] *** xenu has quit IRC[15:45:10] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[15:48:27] *** KapiX has left #haiku[15:50:06] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:53:56] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:59:33] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[16:05:33] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:14:49] *** Megaf has quit IRC[16:17:40] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[16:18:43] *** P4R4N01D1 has quit IRC[16:19:28] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[16:20:54] <CIA-64> haiku.master: mmlr * hrev44256 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=bfc18b1 : Add missing space before opening brace.[16:25:15] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[16:28:18] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[16:28:20] <Premislaus> hi[16:36:26] *** luko has joined #haiku[16:37:21] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[16:37:56] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[16:38:52] *** jjido_ has quit IRC[16:42:13] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[16:43:24] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[16:44:53] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[16:45:05] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:53:21] <CIA-64> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44257 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=9f5864a : (log message trimmed)[16:53:21] <CIA-64> Handle the scroll wheel changing over scrollbars.[16:53:21] <CIA-64> * Extract the scrollbar change based on the mouse wheel delta into a protected[16:53:21] <CIA-64> method of BView.[16:53:21] <CIA-64> * Call that method from BScrollBar's MessageReceived.[16:53:21] <CIA-64> With this change it is now a bit easier to scroll horizontally around the[16:53:22] <CIA-64> system by putting the mouse cursor over a horizontal scrollbar and using the[17:07:04] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[17:09:15] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[17:10:17] *** yongcong has quit IRC[17:15:10] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[17:17:30] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[17:20:55] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[17:22:20] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:25:36] *** Habstinat has joined #haiku[17:27:48] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:30:24] *** tidux has joined #haiku[17:30:43] <tidux> are there any players for Haiku to listen to music streams from shoutcast, icecast, etc.?[17:41:57] *** xenu has joined #haiku[17:42:21] *** xenu is now known as Guest81614[17:44:29] <diver_> tidux: vlc and mplayer[17:44:38] <tidux> d'oh[17:45:52] <tidux> well, the mplayer port only works with gcc4(h)[17:45:57] <tidux> and I'm on gcc2h[17:46:42] * tidux downloads VLC[17:46:55] * cizra ponders. How is package maintaining done on Haiku? Suppose MPlayer gets ported. Suppose it's a lot of work. Then a new version of MPlayer comes out. What now? Is it zeroish, a small amount, a large amount, the whole bunch of work to port again?[17:47:33] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[17:49:28] *** jjido has joined #haiku[17:49:29] <tidux> not sure, cizra[17:49:43] <tidux> I think the best solution in general is to get Haiku compatibility patches submitted upstream[17:49:55] <tidux> so that we can just do a straight build of any new upstream releases[17:50:26] <cizra> I think so too, but does it happen?[17:50:38] *** Megaf has quit IRC[17:50:39] <cizra> To be honest, Haiku is not a real target to any programs, AFAIK.[17:52:29] <diver_> http://work.freenet59.ru/filedetails.php?repname=Haiku_ports_app&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fmplayer_native%2Fmplayer.diff[17:52:55] <diver_> mplayer patch is not that big[17:53:54] *** jjido has quit IRC[17:54:27] <diver_> tidux: yes, AFAIK mplayer was compiled with the wrong flags and that's why it wants gcc4 Haiku.[17:56:35] <tidux> it seems like way too many things are doing that these days[17:56:44] <tidux> will BeOS stuff still run on gcc4h?[17:56:57] <tidux> if so, we might want to switch the default distribution for x86 to gcc4h[17:57:32] <cizra> tidux: AFAIK, binary compatibility requires gcc 2.something.[17:57:36] <diver_> BeOS stuff runs on gcc4h[17:57:37] <scgtrp> addons certainly won't[17:57:47] <scgtrp> standalone applications might[18:00:34] <tidux> ah[18:00:47] <tidux> cizra: yeah, gcc4hybrid has both, but with gcc4 as primary[18:01:00] <tidux> sort of a flipped version of what the main release (gcc2hybrid) is now[18:02:22] *** luroh has quit IRC[18:02:30] *** KapiX has left #haiku[18:04:28] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[18:04:34] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[18:05:04] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:07:01] <cizra> Oh. Right.[18:07:27] <cizra> So, has it generally been difficult to get upstream accept Haiku-specific patches?[18:10:00] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:12:53] <tidux> cizra, I don't think many people have *tried*[18:13:06] <tidux> although that may be in progress for Qt, which would kick butt[18:13:12] <tidux> ditto OpenJDK[18:13:34] <cizra> Qt?[18:13:45] <cizra> Most of the programs that require either Qt or GTK2, require GTK2.[18:14:13] <cizra> At least the ones I actually need, like Pidgin and Emacs.[18:14:36] <tidux> Emacs doesn't need any toolkit at all[18:14:47] <cizra> tidux: The GTK2 version of emacs needs GTK2, I suppose.[18:14:51] <tidux> but Terminal won't pass alt as meta, so it's a bit of a pain to use, over ssh[18:15:21] <tidux> I'm more of a Vim guy anyway, so I'm all set :D[18:15:51] <cizra> I was, until I discovered that everybody else are Emacs guys (Coq, Haskell, Agda environments for Emacs are MUCH MUCH better than for Vim)[18:16:28] <tidux> true[18:16:35] <tidux> Agda?[18:16:38] <tidux> you mean Ada?[18:18:07] <cizra> No, I mean Agda, the dependently typed programming language.[18:18:48] <tidux> oh[18:19:41] <cizra> diver_: Why is SDL audio output disabled in MPlayer?[18:21:03] <diver_> dunno, I'm not the author of this patch[18:21:44] <diver_> perhaps it was an attempt to output audio using media kit?[18:21:56] <cizra> What does SDL then use?[18:29:29] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:32:48] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:36:04] *** RQ has joined #haiku[19:08:29] <Premislaus> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8615 - Gerald Zając is a Croat?[19:13:18] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:17:41] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:17:56] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:18:19] <leszek> hi[19:18:28] <humdinger> hullo[19:21:17] <tidux> nihao[19:23:10] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[19:25:34] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[19:31:54] <Premislaus> Michael Lotz comeback - http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=bfc18b1ecdcc61c11a21aef19359bd07d1496141 ?[19:31:58] <Premislaus> ??[19:32:36] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:32:36] <Premislaus> he returned?[19:33:24] <humdinger> Saw it too. And with an inhumanly huge commit as well... :)[19:34:20] <tqh> yes, he's back but dunno how active he will be.[19:36:41] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[19:36:53] <Premislaus> :)[19:38:00] <Premislaus> Humdinger - http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=6f55e249dfd6e86460037055c524d65fd6e406bd[19:38:02] <Premislaus> ;)[19:38:33] <humdinger> I'm just about to commit a style clean up for (almost) all showimage files.[19:38:42] <Premislaus> i know, joke[19:39:16] <tqh> it's more interesting here: https://github.com/mmlr[19:40:24] <humdinger> ah! keystore[19:41:16] <humdinger> Hope mmlr doesn't just commit what's there to leave again. Hope he's OK.[19:42:45] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:42:49] <Premislaus> thanks i write news[19:44:58] <tidux> http://www.paradiseplace.org.uk/BeOS/bnews_be5.htm <== I'm trying to compile this[19:45:03] <tidux> what's a .proj binary file?[19:45:06] <tidux> is that to some IDE?[19:45:51] <humdinger> yes. from BeIDE[19:46:08] <humdinger> I think Paladin imports them.[19:46:18] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:46:18] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:51:01] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:52:02] <CIA-64> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev44258 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=537a273 :[19:52:02] <CIA-64> Coding style changes, no functional change.[19:52:03] <CIA-64> Hope all's OK, Filter.h is still mostly untouched as it's quite messy with[19:52:03] <CIA-64> many exessive commenting.[19:54:07] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:54:37] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:57:25] <Premislaus> http://haiku-os.pl/node/1496 :P[19:58:08] <Premislaus> http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhaiku-os.pl%2Fnode%2F1496[19:58:51] *** RQ has quit IRC[19:59:33] *** RQ has joined #haiku[19:59:59] <Premislaus> first paragraph[20:00:19] *** jjido has joined #haiku[20:01:06] <humdinger> Premislaus: Great post![20:01:22] <Premislaus> thanks :)[20:01:53] <Premislaus> translator makes mistakes[20:02:17] <tidux> alright, working on BeNews in Paladin now[20:02:19] <humdinger> Interested in posting the English version at your Blog on haiku-os.org?[20:02:37] <tidux> "implicit declaration of function `int closesocket(...)' "[20:02:53] <tidux> I've grepped through /boot/develop/headers and it's not there[20:03:08] <humdinger> Premislaus: Or maybe just a link to the translated version? Could be "Premislaus' regular update".[20:04:18] <diver_> tidux: maybe this will help http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/search?q=closesocket[20:06:01] <Premislaus> Humdinger: Apart from the first paragraph, all is on haiku-os.org and haiku cia.[20:06:42] <Premislaus> some of my thoughts[20:07:32] <humdinger> BUt it's a nice summary of what's going on. If you were doing that once a month or whatever anyway, it'd be nice for people to catch up.[20:09:54] <Premislaus> http://myhaiku.pl/ - Here they were doing reports every month, later started every two months, site probably died[20:10:31] <humdinger> many tried over the years, nobody succeeded in the long run...[20:11:04] <tidux> diver_, sadly no[20:11:37] *** tidux has quit IRC[20:12:32] <Premislaus> I do not promise, I had to write two weeks ago, but had no time[20:14:11] <Premislaus> java and webkit news[20:14:21] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[20:15:51] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[20:16:58] *** KapiX has left #haiku[20:17:25] <humdinger> Anyway, feel encouraged to link to the auto-translation (which isn't all that bad, pl->en seems to work well) in your Blog, so people will see it in the side bar at haiku-os.org.[20:18:55] <Premislaus> ok[20:19:11] <humdinger> great. no pressure though :)[20:20:22] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[20:24:18] <Premislaus> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/whats_going_haiku[20:25:17] <Premislaus> Spam filter caught me. Again...[20:25:27] <Premislaus> Access denied[20:25:30] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[20:25:34] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[20:26:07] <Premislaus> wewnętrzne ip, nat, wi-fi - blackisted user in my network[20:26:09] <Premislaus> :/[20:26:12] <Premislaus> *users[20:26:21] <Premislaus> *internal ip, nat, wi-fi[20:27:08] <Premislaus> bbl[20:27:13] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[20:29:17] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[20:29:17] *** KapiX has left #haiku[20:30:21] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:31:33] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[20:33:55] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:34:35] <luko> hi[20:35:59] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[20:40:30] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[20:41:17] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[20:45:23] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[20:46:03] *** orbital_fox_ has quit IRC[20:48:58] <CIA-64> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * f6a3444449c452a63e0e0d91e8480f39bca81aed : Added x86_64 ELF64 relocation functions for the bootloader. All that's left to do now is handle the 64-bit load address properly. [5 commits][20:54:20] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:01:07] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[21:02:54] <CIA-64> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev44259 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=43ae772 : Style-fix I missed before. Thanks aldeck. [2 commits][21:03:29] *** jjido has quit IRC[21:06:45] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:06:52] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[21:09:25] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:09:30] *** jjido_ is now known as jjido[21:10:42] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:11:19] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[21:14:43] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:15:18] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:20:32] *** luko has quit IRC[21:21:38] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:23:04] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[21:24:40] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[21:28:00] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[21:28:25] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:28:29] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:32:05] *** Guest81614 has quit IRC[21:42:32] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[21:43:26] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:43:38] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[21:43:38] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[21:44:01] *** RQ has quit IRC[21:46:36] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:51:54] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[21:52:14] *** hdanak has quit IRC[21:54:27] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:54:47] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:00:45] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[22:01:38] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:04:51] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[22:06:13] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:12:36] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[22:12:38] <Premislaus> re[22:18:10] <[JJ]Albert> mi[22:18:24] <jjido> la[22:19:34] <[JJ]Albert> You meant fa.[22:19:42] <[JJ]Albert> DO RE MI FA SO LA TI DO[22:19:48] <yourpalal> lol[22:19:55] <[JJ]Albert> Yes. :p[22:19:56] <yourpalal> so what ?[22:20:01] <[JJ]Albert> None.[22:20:13] <[JJ]Albert> I just wanted to clear up any confusion.[22:20:15] <yourpalal> *so* what[22:20:24] <[JJ]Albert> *none*[22:20:26] <yourpalal> do re mi fa SO what[22:20:46] * yourpalal 's pun didn't work out so well :([22:20:51] <[JJ]Albert> Lol, look, I was only pointing it out. You are making it a so-what.[22:21:09] <[JJ]Albert> By arguing so-what about it.[22:21:13] <[JJ]Albert> (Not that I[22:21:14] <yourpalal> no no[22:21:17] <yourpalal> I was just joking[22:21:19] <[JJ]Albert> am helping any)[22:21:22] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, kk.[22:21:24] <[JJ]Albert> :p[22:21:32] <[JJ]Albert> Well then, haha...[22:21:35] <[JJ]Albert> brbr[22:21:39] <[JJ]Albert> *brb[22:33:46] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[22:40:18] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[22:41:24] *** jjido has quit IRC[22:42:07] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[22:42:10] *** jstressman1 has joined #haiku[22:42:25] *** jstressman has quit IRC[22:47:40] <CIA-64> haiku.master: leavengood * hrev44260 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=2804cb3 : (log message trimmed)[22:47:40] <CIA-64> Fix off-by-one error which caused scrolling artifacts.[22:47:40] <CIA-64> Based on printf debugging the correct left value is actually -1, not 0, but[22:47:40] <CIA-64> instead of hard-coding numbers it makes more sense to use the existing value.[22:47:40] <CIA-64> I'm not sure if a -1 left value makes much sense, but overall this seems to[22:47:40] <CIA-64> work and does not have the scrolling artifacts.[22:47:40] <CIA-64> But overall I think ShowImage needs more layout management. Doing all this[22:48:04] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:51:28] <[JJ]Albert> I thought CIA-64 was a bot?[22:51:38] <yourpalal> yup[22:51:41] <yourpalal> that's a commit message[22:51:48] <[JJ]Albert> Ahh, kill it w/ fire![22:51:55] <[JJ]Albert> :p[22:52:36] * augiedoggie kicks CIA-64[22:52:36] <CIA-64> ow[22:53:31] * [JJ]Albert punches CIA-64[22:53:42] * [JJ]Albert kicks CIA-64[22:53:42] <CIA-64> ow[22:53:43] * [JJ]Albert kicks CIA-64[22:53:44] <CIA-64> ow[22:53:44] * [JJ]Albert kicks CIA-64[22:53:45] <CIA-64> ow[22:53:45] * [JJ]Albert kicks CIA-64[22:53:46] <CIA-64> ow[22:53:51] <geist> that's mean[22:53:55] <[JJ]Albert> OK, I've had fun beating up robots.[22:54:02] <geist> please to be not kicking the robot[22:54:05] * [JJ]Albert kicks geist[22:54:08] <geist> OW[22:54:13] <[JJ]Albert> :p[22:54:16] <[JJ]Albert> Sowwy.[22:54:36] * augiedoggie hugs CIA-64[22:54:36] * CIA-64 hugs augiedoggie[22:54:47] * [JJ]Albert hugs geist[22:54:57] * geist stabs you[22:55:01] <[JJ]Albert> OW.[22:59:51] * [JJ]Albert kicks geist in the groin, then collapses from bloodloss[23:01:12] *** yourpalal has left #haiku[23:05:40] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:05:50] *** hamishm_ has joined #haiku[23:08:46] *** hamishm has quit IRC[23:09:50] <helf> CIA-64, what is the meaning of life?[23:15:21] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[23:15:35] <[JJ]Albert> CIA-64, who do you work for man?![23:15:35] *** robert_negro has left #haiku[23:15:47] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:17:22] <Premislaus> http://www.a-eon.com/?page=radeonhd LOL ROTFL LMAO[23:17:23] <Premislaus> fee required driver[23:18:07] <Anarchos> Premislaus i don't understand the context ?[23:18:46] <Premislaus> button - "buy driver now"[23:19:01] <Anarchos> Premislaus it is for amigaone so sort of niche market ?[23:19:09] <[JJ]Albert> Lol[23:19:23] <[JJ]Albert> Yeah, which is still kinda weird.[23:20:08][23:20:47] <[JJ]Albert> Yeesh.[23:21:09] <Premislaus> Anarchos: For me it is scandalous.[23:21:27] <[JJ]Albert> Then just find it someplace else.[23:22:30] <Anarchos> Premislaus just wait for the Community to code a free one[23:22:57] <[JJ]Albert> After all, radeon drivers can be gotten open-source.[23:23:52] <Premislaus> I did not have. I do not have. And I do not want to have an Amiga.[23:24:49] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[23:24:53] * Anarchos is impressed to see his code works at first try :)[23:28:17] <jezek2> Premislaus: heh, it's not common, but there is nothing wrong with it (esp. when done independently of the HW vendor :)... like the commercial OSS drivers[23:29:24] <Premislaus> bounty would have been better[23:30:09] <Anarchos> as a computer science engineer i think that a work must be paid. As a left libertarian, well, it depends of the social utility of the work :)[23:30:33] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:31:05] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:35:12] *** Nies has joined #haiku[23:37:04] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:39:05] *** luko has joined #haiku[23:41:36] <Premislaus> Anarchos: I am a radical anarchocapitalist, but politics is not part of it. You're using Windows, you have the driver in the price of the video card. You're using Linux, Haiku, BSD - you have free and open source driver( and propertiary for Linux). It's good. So you have a niche commercial system like AmigaOS or MorphOS. Which are expensive, which do not offer anything, reproduce all...[23:41:38] <Premislaus> ...predecessor defects( lack of memory protection in the XXI century).[23:43:25] <Premislaus> Amigans are like Lithuania. A good example of what the ending dreams of power, with the lack of any potential.[23:43:33] <Premislaus> sorry for my english...[23:43:45] <Anarchos> Premislaus and sorry for the lithuanians...[23:44:29] <luko> hi[23:44:57] <Premislaus> hi Luko[23:45:00] <luko> i use short time Morphos when i have mac mini g4, but only as demo version[23:45:10] <luko> hi Premislaus[23:45:16] <luko> no i dont have installed haiku[23:45:32] <luko> becouse intel HDA audio driver is not working properly on my new computer[23:46:23] <luko> haiku needs some thinks like drivers for most used audio and graphics cards[23:46:40] <[JJ]Albert> Yup.[23:46:44] <[JJ]Albert> Totally.[23:46:56] <luko> i think new mainboards have intel HD / Azalia or Ac97 sound card[23:47:00] <Premislaus> will come with time[23:47:03] <luko> :D[23:47:08] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[23:47:20] <luko> i have installed Haiku for now in Virtualbox[23:47:53] <luko> and i develop small utility for automaticaly sync files with ftp[23:48:29] <Premislaus> I know - Fubox ;)[23:48:49] <luko> i find on haikuware.com som info about YAB and i want create GUI in Yab..[23:49:01] <Premislaus> hmm?[23:49:07] <luko> its very simply basic like syntax for makeing gui[23:49:37] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:50:00] <luko> yes Fubox[23:50:22] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[23:52:28] <luko> i dont know how to delete files with libcurl / C[23:52:36] <luko> via ftp[23:52:48] <luko> i have coded function but not working[23:54:15] *** Ingenu has left #haiku