June 19, 2012 
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June 19, 2012 [00:00:03] <helf> cool[00:00:14] <helf> I dont really need mine anymore since I have an iPad[00:00:20] <luroh> one of the last 4:3 laptops, sadly[00:00:22] <helf> gonna get a keyboard for it and I'll be set[00:00:28] <tidux> >replacing a T-series with an iPad[00:00:30] <tidux> tell /g/[00:00:30] <luroh> i'll keep it alive for as long as i can[00:00:31] <helf> I love 4:3[00:00:34] <tidux> they will shit themselves inside out[00:00:35] <helf> I dont understand the square hate[00:00:38] <dreamed> I'm replacing my MBP 17" with the retina[00:00:39] <tidux> in pure unadulterated rage[00:00:51] <dreamed> I do still use the iPad as well[00:01:00] <helf> dreamed, lemme know how it is[00:01:04] <helf> I'd love to get one if I had the cas[00:01:04] <dreamed> will do[00:01:07] <helf> cash[00:01:09] <dreamed> will get one built to order with maxxed ram[00:01:13] <dreamed> since it's not upgradeable heh[00:01:19] <dreamed> 16GB should last a few years[00:01:22] <helf> yeah[00:01:26] <helf> tidux, what?[00:01:29] <dreamed> the SSD is replaceable at least[00:01:30] <luroh> tidux: replacing a T with an ipad? :P[00:01:54] <helf> for my mobile needs, the iPad is far better than the laptop[00:02:05] <dreamed> I use my laptop as a portable desktop[00:02:08] <dreamed> and my iPad for mobile[00:02:15] <helf> thats about how I was with my t60[00:02:18] <helf> it didnt go many places[00:02:28] <helf> you get tired of lugging a giant ass laptop around all the time[00:02:34] <dreamed> I wasn't even using my acd[00:02:36] <luroh> ok yeah, i take mine on the road almost daily[00:02:36] <dreamed> so it's here at work now[00:02:40] <dreamed> hooked up to my aging mac mini[00:02:46] <dreamed> (which really needs more than 1GB of RAM)[00:02:52] <helf> my ipad is jailbroken and running quasar[00:02:58] <tidux> I have a netbook, and most of what I do with computers involves typing, so I don't see the benefit to a tablet[00:02:59] <helf> so I can multitask on it just as well as the t60 :)[00:03:05] <helf> while getting 8+ hours of battery life without trying[00:03:18] <dreamed> I can type on the iPad almost as quickly as with a keyboard - but it's still not a pleasant thing to do[00:03:20] <luroh> cool :)[00:03:22] <dreamed> fingers get sore from all the tapping[00:03:24] <helf> heh[00:03:31] <dreamed> and I don't like the idea of an external keyboard[00:03:35] <dreamed> since you still have to drive the screen by touch[00:03:36] <helf> that is why im getting a BT keyboard to toss in my satchel[00:03:50] <dreamed> mostly the iPad for me is a photography and reading device[00:03:51] <helf> 90% of the time I wont need the keyboard[00:03:53] <dreamed> with typing for when I need it[00:03:54] <helf> but itll be nice sometimes[00:04:08] <dreamed> since it's not usually a large typing job, screen is okay[00:04:12] <helf> I use mine for reading and multimedia[00:04:15] <luroh> what you cannot do however is sit and rest on it, or hammer it into an overhead compartment[00:04:32] <helf> who the hell does that with a laptop? :p[00:04:42] <luroh> i do :)[00:04:45] <helf> I adore the screen on my new iPad[00:04:58] <dreamed> ditto[00:05:00] <dreamed> it's just luscious[00:05:01] <[JJ]Albert> Lol[00:05:03] <helf> I couldnt stand the horribly low res panels on the first two[00:05:09] <helf> i had a 1st gen[00:05:10] <helf> was awful[00:05:11] <dreamed> me too[00:05:13] <dreamed> agreed[00:05:15] <helf> I bought the 3 on release day :)[00:05:17] <dreamed> the only thing the gen 1 did well was sound[00:05:21] <helf> yeah[00:05:22] <dreamed> it had much nicer speakers[00:05:27] <dreamed> ya I did too[00:05:30] <dreamed> 64GB white[00:05:35] <helf> mine a 64gb black[00:05:37] <dreamed> elected not to go 3G since I can tether my iPhone[00:05:38] <helf> no 4g[00:05:46] <helf> yeah, I tether via my phone[00:06:19] <helf> I can deal with lower resolutions on desktops/laptops since I can set them back so far[00:06:26] <helf> but seeing a pixel grid is just annoying[00:06:56] <dreamed> yup[00:06:59] *** KapiX has left #haiku[00:07:02] <dreamed> the resolution was annoying too[00:07:09] <dreamed> the new one is just brilliant[00:07:12] <luroh> btw, huge thread about secureboot, worth a skimming, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-June/thread.html#418990[00:07:16] <luroh> good night :)[00:07:18] <dreamed> nn[00:07:20] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:07:21] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:07:46] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[00:08:07] <helf> 264ppi = eyegasm[00:08:20] <helf> its like looking at glowing magazine paper[00:08:50] * AlienSoldier send helf a vector graphic arcade machine :P[00:08:54] <helf> most of the time i read on it at night before bed and I tested its battery out with it in airplane mode with the screen at minimum like I keep it when I read and it ran for a few minutes under 18 hours[00:08:56] <helf> ridiculous :p[00:09:31] <helf> even with relatively heavy use, I get a few days out of it before I feel the need to recharge.[00:09:33] <AlienSoldier> vector pad ftw[00:09:43] <helf> that would be interesting, AlienSoldier :D[00:09:52] <dreamed> it's got amazing standby as well[00:10:01] <dreamed> and I have to say I'm loving the iCloud bookmark syncing stuff[00:10:05] *** TimKack_ has joined #haiku[00:10:12] <dreamed> it was one of the reasons I hoped to get windows working at work - safari heh[00:10:27] <helf> dreamed, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Wmi-dYVy8[00:10:27] *** TimKack_ has quit IRC[00:10:29] <helf> skip to 2 minutes[00:10:31] <dreamed> can't watch[00:10:36] <helf> I was screwing around with quasar... oh[00:10:47] <dreamed> email it to something at hoodoo dot co.nz[00:10:49] <dreamed> will check at home[00:10:51] <helf> ok[00:11:00] <helf> anyways, I made a vid on the ipad to show a friend[00:11:14] <helf> so, its running lots of stuff at once while screen capturing at 1080p[00:11:20] <helf> its pretty smooth for all that is involved[00:11:33] <dreamed> nice[00:12:40] <helf> sent[00:12:44] *** TimKack has quit IRC[00:12:45] <dreamed> ta[00:26:05] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:29:19] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[00:39:05] *** synchris has quit IRC[00:42:07] *** slubman has quit IRC[00:48:29] *** [r4] has quit IRC[00:49:01] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[00:49:43] *** fhein has quit IRC[00:50:09] *** fhein has joined #haiku[00:52:07] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[00:52:07] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** Bigcheese has quit IRC[00:52:28] *** Bigcheese has joined #haiku[00:52:31] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[00:52:32] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[00:55:16] *** Huggy has quit IRC[01:00:13] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[01:02:29] *** Habstinat has quit IRC[01:05:18] *** KapiX has left #haiku[01:08:03] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:14:15] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:16:52] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[01:25:51] *** KapiX has left #haiku[01:29:15] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[01:36:30] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:40:31] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[01:40:33] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[01:40:33] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[01:41:10] *** twock has quit IRC[01:44:36] *** fhein has quit IRC[01:50:11] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[01:50:18] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[01:56:43] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[02:02:27] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:03:08] *** Cld has quit IRC[02:03:09] *** Habstinat has joined #haiku[02:14:45] *** orbital_fox_ has quit IRC[02:14:53] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[02:36:21] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:36:48] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[02:40:29] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[02:41:25] *** Nozy has quit IRC[02:48:52] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[03:12:24] *** teacup has quit IRC[03:12:25] *** teacup has joined #haiku[03:19:49] *** Cld has joined #haiku[03:45:35] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[03:46:01] *** Nozy has quit IRC[03:50:12] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[03:50:42] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[03:52:08] *** vjacob has joined #haiku[03:53:09] <vjacob> how many here actually use or run Java on a regular basis? And develop for it?[03:56:48] <tidux> I use Java on Debian for my course work[03:56:54] <tidux> not on Haiku though[04:06:07] *** jua_ has quit IRC[04:06:17] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[04:17:26] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:55:29] *** stpere has joined #haiku[05:00:38] *** hamishm_ has quit IRC[05:08:23] *** vjacob has quit IRC[05:18:04] *** Xeon3D|Zzz is now known as Xeon3D[05:18:10] *** stpere has quit IRC[05:27:45] <CIA-64> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1943 /haikuports/trunk/dev-vcs/subversion/ (patches/subversion-1.6.18.patch subversion-1.6.18.bep) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1943 : Update subversion to 1.6.18[05:42:07] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:45:31] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[05:45:39] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[05:47:41] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:49:07] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[05:50:37] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[05:52:51] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:53:28] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[05:54:18] *** helf has quit IRC[05:59:21] *** 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had a buddies son (hes over 18) asking me at a party if i could write him an gaming os .... like wtf[10:00:36] <OmniMancer> they should demand 99% of the profit he ever makes on it as payment[10:00:43] <mrsun> tried to explain how big work it is, but he just couldnt understand[10:00:50] <OmniMancer> also[10:00:58] <OmniMancer> writing an OS is pointless if it has no use[10:01:28] <OmniMancer> and the silly person at the link wanting everything that runs on windows xp to run on the new one precludes it being not a redesigned windows[10:01:37] <OmniMancer> it will be a redesigned windows because it can't not be[10:02:04] <OmniMancer> many people don't understand things :([10:02:12] <OmniMancer> it is sad and they deserve out pity[10:02:28] <OmniMancer> also one: what does "hacker safe" mean?[10:02:37] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[10:02:38] <OmniMancer> and 2 if you mean that it can't be hacked well that just won't happen[10:04:22] <OmniMancer> also I hope that person understands 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build under x86_64.[21:49:20] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:53:46] *** hamishm has quit IRC[21:54:37] <CIA-64> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1944 /haikuports/trunk/packs/optionalpackages/optionalpackages-0.7-gcc4.bep http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1944 : Update several optionalpackages for gcc4 in optionalpackages .bep file.[22:06:42] *** yeti has joined #haiku[22:08:46] <yeti> Does anybody know if there is work being done to add accelerated graphics support to Haiku?[22:09:01] *** Nies has quit IRC[22:10:50] *** orbital_fox_ has joined #haiku[22:11:01] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[22:12:28] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:15:45] *** orbital_fox_ has quit IRC[22:16:29] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[22:16:44] <luroh> yeti: yes, there's some Gallium work going on, http://haikuware.com/blogs/blogger/listings/kallisti5[22:18:16] <yeti> Thanks for the info luroh.[22:18:53] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[22:19:58] *** yeti has quit IRC[22:22:27] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[22:23:25] *** 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add-ons for x86_64 yet.[22:56:49] *** Guest70937 has quit IRC[23:02:53] *** teacup has joined #haiku[23:04:32] *** teacup has left #haiku[23:06:47] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:09:43] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[23:12:27] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[23:14:42] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:16:43] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:16:44] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:23:41] *** jjido has joined #haiku[23:27:00] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[23:27:59] *** tr-808 has joined #haiku[23:28:38] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:28:56] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:30:07] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[23:30:51] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[23:32:26] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:32:46] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[23:33:51] *** synchris has quit IRC[23:34:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:37:21] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:37:49] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[23:47:57] *** yeti has quit IRC[23:48:35] *** yeti has joined #haiku[23:48:55] <CIA-64> xyzzy-github.x86_64: xyzzy-github * 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