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[03:30:17] <twock> hello. I have a couple of questions
[03:30:52] <twock> First, has anyone compiled glib on Haiku before? I'm about to give it a go since I don't see it on the nightly
[03:31:35] <twock> Second, is there anything like FUSE on Haiku?
[03:32:09] <mmadia> yes, we do have FUSE ... though, i dont recall if it's part of the default build.
[03:33:11] <twock> cool, thanks mmadia.
[03:34:15] <twock> is there a text browser pre-installed on Haiku?
[03:34:57] <twock> nvm, found the links optional package
[03:35:53] <twock> or not. I can't seem to run it.
[03:36:21] <mmadia> can you file a ticket for that (assuming one isn't open)
[03:39:21] <twock> I ran "installoptionalpackage links" but from the terminal I couldn't run "links". That's unexpected behaviour or I'm just looking in the wrong place?
[03:40:46] <mmadia> hmm... i dont remember what the binary is ... eg, links or lynx. what's in /boot/common/bin?
[03:41:56] <twock> none of those.
[03:42:15] <twock> where does installoptionalpackage store the packages it dl's?
[03:43:33] <mmadia> temporarily in /tmp
[03:43:50] <mmadia> once it's done extracting, the archive gets deleted.
[03:45:08] <mmadia> lpe /bin/installoptionalpackage & if you're interested in changing that or you could look at /boot/common/data/optional-packages /OptionalPackages (iirc)
[03:46:14] <twock> okay. I have to resize the virtual machine hd haiku's installed on first
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[04:52:01] <twock> I understand it that the root directory of haiku is virtual and isn't saved between boots--is there a way I could have a /usr directory created there on boot for compatibility? maybe a startup script?
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[11:14:05] <Stephane3> Hi everybody,
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[12:08:37] <Anarchos> Say i have a command line application (a processor simulator). What is the best way to wrap a Gui around it to display information in a graphical maneer ? I thought of two options : 1) redirect stdin/stdout 2) communicate with it through sockets 3) communicate with it through BMessage(or ports) . Who ever encountered this problem and solved it ?
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[12:22:00] <PulkoMandy> depends on the application
[12:22:13] <PulkoMandy> if it only listens to stdin/out, you can't use anything else
[12:22:40] <PulkoMandy> and if you start modifying the application to add sockets or BMessages, why not make it a library and use it directly in your GUI app ?
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[12:25:39] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i explain the background in haiku-fr if you want
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[16:19:09] <Anarchos> hi
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[16:29:53] <Luko> hi follks
[16:30:10] <Anarchos> hi Luko
[16:30:19] <Luko> Hi Anarchos
[16:30:30] <Anarchos> i am looking for a way to readd the name attribute to all my files on a disk :/
[16:30:49] <Luko> is someone here who can tell me how suported are USB sound card in Haiku?
[16:31:06] <Luko> i have not working onboard Intel HDA sound
[16:31:08] <mmadia> what happened to using Tracker to 'Force identify' the files, Anarchos?
[16:31:28] <Anarchos> mmadia didn't work recursively
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[16:32:05] <mmadia> yeah, it's a bit tricky. it seems recursion works only when selecting a single folder.
[16:32:36] <diver_> Luko: usb sound is not supported
[16:32:54] <diver_> Anarchos: mimeset -F /boot ?
[16:33:02] <mmadia> so, navigate to /boot and force identify each top level folder one at a time :)
[16:33:54] <Luko> now i dont have sound in haiku
[16:34:32] <Luko> i upgrade mainboard in my pc... net card works, video too but intel hda realtek 887 dont
[16:35:11] <diver_> yes, hda is lacking behind
[16:35:47] <Anarchos> diver_ what does the mimeset -F do ?
[16:36:07] <Luko> my old board was with socket 775 cpu by gigabyte and this board have this sound i think sound and sound was working and with new board no
[16:36:09] <diver_> iirc mimeset --help should tell you
[16:36:40] <diver_> Luko: it mostly works with first generation hda
[16:36:49] <mmadia> what about OpenSound?
[16:37:02] <Anarchos> diver_ it speaks only about type of a file not about name
[16:37:09] <Luko> i try open sound
[16:37:09] <diver_> ah
[16:37:13] <Luko> but nothing
[16:37:20] <Luko> dont work
[16:37:36] <mmu_man> Luko: even with osstest ?
[16:37:43] * mmadia still favors individually force identifying each folder in /boot -- apps, development, etc.
[16:38:00] <mmu_man> sometimes the OSS media kit addon fails to work but the driver works fine
[16:38:09] <mmu_man> usually cause it doesn't pick the correct output
[16:38:27] <mmu_man> osstest tries them all
[16:40:00] <Luko> ok i goes try again Open Soud driver
[16:40:25] <Luko> i have disabled hda
[16:41:01] <Luko> becouse when HDA driver is enabled and i play some music file then i hear corrupted sound
[16:43:20] <diver_> Luko: so with HDA driver (and without OSS) you actually hear sound?
[16:43:31] <Luko> yes but very corrupted
[16:44:16] <Luko> in Media prefs i see HD and sound is init ok
[16:44:36] <diver_> previously you said that hda doesn't work at all
[16:44:44] <diver_> "net card works, video too but intel hda realtek 887 dont"
[16:44:47] <Luko> dont work correctly
[16:45:42] <diver_> well try osstest then
[16:45:51] <Luko> i hear echo and whistke
[16:46:10] <Luko> sorry for my so bad english
[16:47:02] <Luko> ok i go reboot
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[17:20:20] <stephane3> Hi everybody,
[17:20:51] <diver_> hi
[17:22:07] <stephane3> I've installed Haiku Release3 on an USB key !
[17:22:57] <Anarchos> stephane3 first step ;)
[17:23:59] <stephane3> Yes, my first steps...
[17:24:56] <mmadia> congrats stephane3. how did you come across Haiku?
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[17:31:19] <diver_> stephane3: as I can see your network adapter is not supported, right?
[17:31:58] <stephane3> mmu man tu serais pas un ancien de central nantes ?
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[17:33:48] <stephane3> diver : mon Haiku sur du Lenovo DualCore n'a pas la carte réseau reconnu. Il est sous garantie donc je n'ai pas mis une vieille carte réseau.
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[17:37:52] <diver_> stephane3: what Lenovo model is it btw?
[17:38:08] <stephane3> Thank you very much diver. I will try that...
[17:38:44] <stephane3> My Lenovo is 6 months ago...
[17:40:08] <stephane3> Linux Fedora 16 is running very well. And I use an USB key for Haiku, dualcore...
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[17:40:37] <OzBorne> salut
[17:40:40] <OzBorne> hello
[17:40:41] <diver_> so what's the model?
[17:40:44] <diver_> hi
[17:41:15] <OzBorne> stephane3> salut
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[17:41:45] <stephane3> Hi OzBorne,
[17:41:51] <OzBorne> what's up?
[17:42:16] <OzBorne> stephane3> is there skype under haiku?
[17:42:24] <mmu_man> stephane3: my T510 also doesn't have ethernet working in alpha3, however the driver was added in trunk recently IIRC
[17:42:29] <mmu_man> I'll have to test someday
[17:42:47] <mmu_man> OzBorne: no, unless you get Skype to port their (proprietary) thing
[17:42:52] <mmu_man> which is quite unlikely :p
[17:43:14] <stephane3> Skype was bought by Microsoft, there is no reason they support another platform, but Skype runs under OS X.
[17:43:24] <OzBorne> stephane3> congrats
[17:43:53] <stephane3> MICROSOFT STRATEGY : ADOPT, EXTEND AND ETOUFFER.
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[17:50:07] <mmu_man> extinguish :p
[17:50:21] <stephane3> Hub is Hubert Figuiere ?
[17:51:08] <mmu_man> no (.pl = poland IIRC)
[17:51:26] <OzBorne> Hub are outdated
[17:51:31] <OzBorne> we use switch today
[17:51:49] <OzBorne> manageable eventualy
[17:51:51] <stephane3> C'était Hubert Figuiere qui monitorait le forum beos fr.
[17:51:59] <OzBorne> stephane3> english please
[17:52:19] <OzBorne> ;)
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[17:53:08] <stephane3> I will try to install BeTex...
[17:53:17] <Anarchos> stephane3 it won't work
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[17:53:40] <Anarchos> BeTex rely on a specific format of Terminal preferences, which is not the same on Haiku
[17:53:44] <OzBorne> where are the good time of Amiga?
[17:53:53] <Anarchos> stephane3 i know it : i modified BeTex source code to let it work
[17:54:27] <stephane3> Who maintains the BeTex ? Is there a web site ?
[17:55:02] <Anarchos> stephane3 nobody maintains it and there is no web site. I should try to compile it again maybe
[17:56:21] <stephane3> Sure there is a need for WYSYWYG latex. I've got a friend of mine who is a mathematics teacher and he uses Lyx with Linux Mint on a netbook. Cheap and powerful.
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[17:59:08] <stephane3> I have to admit I only use BeOS5Pro to code with the BeIDE and the little red cross to debug that line...
[18:00:07] <stephane3> Someone uses VisualBe++ or BeNeuide ?
[18:00:54] <stephane3> Or MeTOS ?
[18:03:47] <Anarchos> stephane3 no idea
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[18:24:02] <stephane3> Good appetite everybody...
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[18:59:36] <CIA-64> weinhold-github-buildtools.package-management: weinhold-github-buildtools * ba94fdf309096bd9bbf432ad53efba62bc47f98e :
[18:59:36] <CIA-64> Pimp up the gcc 2 package building script [10 commits]
[18:59:36] <CIA-64> It does now build the package from the sources.
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[19:21:11] <leszek> hi
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[20:32:34] <Stephane3> Hi everybody,
[20:32:40] <twock> I'm trying to use haikuporter but it fails with "'setgcc' failed with exit code 127". What's this mean?
[20:32:47] <twock> Hi.
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[20:33:59] <twock> rather, what is setgcc and what's it needed for.
[20:34:21] <Stephane3> What is Haikuporter ?
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[20:35:05] <Anarchos> twock setgcc is a command line tool to switch between gcc2 and gcc4
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[20:35:25] <Anarchos> twock setgcc --help
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[20:41:28] <twock> that's the problem, it isn't installed.
[20:41:46] <twock> was there a BuildConfig option I missed?
[20:42:28] <PulkoMandy> you only get it if you built an hybrid
[20:42:47] <PulkoMandy> (Haiku gcc2 with a set of gcc4 libs to run gcc4 progs, or the reverse)
[20:43:05] <augiedoggie> I don't think so, my pure gcc4 system has it
[20:43:10] <twock> okay, but why does haikuporter need it?
[20:43:13] <stpere> good afternoon
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[20:43:40] <stpere> official releases are hybrid, so I guess it just assumed it would be there
[20:43:49] <twock> shouldn't it check?
[20:43:55] <tidux|haiku> anyone else having a problem with DNS/routing failing after a while?
[20:44:09] <tidux|haiku> I'll connect to a network (wired or wireless) and it works fine at first
[20:44:15] <tidux|haiku> but then Vision ping timeouts
[20:44:21] <tidux|haiku> WebPositive and Links start throwing 404 errors
[20:44:22] <stpere> tidux|haiku: virtual machine, real hardware?
[20:44:26] <tidux|haiku> real
[20:44:31] <tidux|haiku> hrev44242 gcc2hybrid
[20:44:37] <stpere> can you still ping your gw?
[20:44:43] <augiedoggie> and the pure gcc4 images at haiku-files have it too
[20:44:44] <tidux|haiku> when this happens, no
[20:45:05] <tidux|haiku> but it can register the gateway and it says it's connected via WPA2 wifi
[20:45:13] <tidux|haiku> so clearly something can connect, but something else can't
[20:45:18] <tidux|haiku> my routing table still shows the route
[20:45:32] <tidux|haiku> is it just the atheroswifi and atheros813x drivers?
[20:45:33] <stpere> and you say it happens both on wifi and wireless?
[20:45:39] <stpere> it might be
[20:45:44] <stpere> err..
[20:45:44] <tidux|haiku> wired and wireless both, yes
[20:45:46] <stpere> wifi and wired
[20:45:54] <stpere> ok
[20:45:56] <twock> PulkoMandy: I found some prebuilt packages before. Could I get away with just unzipping them under boot?
[20:46:28] <stpere> is it DHCP, static IP?
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[20:46:53] <tidux|haiku> stpere it happens under both
[20:47:03] <tidux|haiku> I've tried every combination of wired, wireless, static, DHCP
[20:47:10] <tidux|haiku> and now, alas, I need to go
[20:47:13] <tidux|haiku> Father's Day plans
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[20:47:15] <stpere> ok!
[20:47:31] <stpere> itjustdon'twork(tm) :)
[20:49:00] <twock> I don't even have gcc. I must have missed a buildconfig flag
[20:50:41] <PulkoMandy> twock: open a terminal
[20:50:52] <PulkoMandy> and type installoptionalpackage Development
[20:50:58] <PulkoMandy> but yes, you can do this at build time
[20:51:16] <augiedoggie> I don't think installoptionalpackage can handle that one
[20:51:23] <PulkoMandy> not with ./configure flags, but by setting up your UserBuildConfig file to include the package (and other packages you need)
[20:52:30] <twock> nope, no Development package
[20:53:03] <twock> I'll rebuild haiku then.
[20:53:28] <twock> Does specifying an optional package in UserBuildConfig remove defaults?
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[20:54:31] <stpere> twock: are you using build profiles?
[20:54:42] <stpere> like.. jam -q @nightly-vmware
[20:57:41] <stpere> because those profiles (the nightly-* for instance) includes Development and other packages by default
[20:59:40] <twock> stpere: no, just jam -q haiku-vmware-image and some things in UserBuildConfig
[21:01:25] <twock> would you advise build profiles? do they conflict with UserBuildConfig at all?
[21:02:13] <augiedoggie> it allows more flexibility because you can have multiple profiles or extend existing ones
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[21:03:59] <stpere> as augiedoggie said
[21:04:24] <stpere> let say you want to rebuild with Development, then later without... no files to modify to switch from one to another
[21:06:08] <twock> okay. I'll do that then. I deleted the build machine b/c i'm low on disk space and didn't think i'd need it again :P
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[22:11:34] <twock> Well this is unfortunate. It seems I'm experiencing a disk failure
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[22:14:52] <stpere> twock: :S
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[22:48:38] <CIA-64> Fix #8640.
[22:48:38] <CIA-64> saving it on exit was broken anyways, since it relied on the current
[22:48:39] <CIA-64> show/hide state of the time view, which would be hidden if the deskbar
[22:48:39] <CIA-64> was currently in Autohide mode.
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