June 2, 2012 
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June 2, 2012 [00:02:12] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:07:27] *** mikaelj has quit IRC[00:17:26] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[00:17:53] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[00:18:16] *** SteveG has joined #haiku[00:18:16] *** SteveG has joined #haiku[00:18:58] <Anarchos> hi SteveG[00:20:07] *** SteveG has quit IRC[00:20:28] *** SteveG has joined #haiku[00:20:28] *** SteveG has joined #haiku[00:30:11] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:35:51] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:36:26] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:41:11] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:45:09] *** negusnyul__ has quit IRC[00:51:59] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:52:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:52:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:52:24] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:14:45] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:26:59] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[01:27:06] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:32:49] <CIA-68> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev44220 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=cce9d8c :[01:32:49] <CIA-68> U-Boot PPC: Enable ppc440 FPU correctly [3 commits][01:32:49] <CIA-68> * On ppc440, the FPU is implemented as an Auxiliary Processing Unit,[01:32:49] <CIA-68> we must therefore enable sending commands to it,[01:32:49] <CIA-68> in addition to setting the MSR bit.[01:41:57] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[01:42:16] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[01:52:06] *** evil_name has joined #haiku[01:54:29] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:55:59] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[02:00:09] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[02:02:19] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[02:26:38] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:27:09] *** anupre has joined #haiku[02:30:56] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[02:34:48] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:36:27] *** anupre has quit IRC[02:44:06] *** PasNox has quit IRC[02:52:10] *** stpere has joined #haiku[02:53:12] <stpere> :P[02:55:15] *** CommanderSpleen has quit IRC[02:55:19] *** SteveG has quit IRC[02:57:50] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[03:03:14] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[03:04:31] *** Duggan has quit IRC[03:08:05] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[03:11:21] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:11:44] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[03:31:32] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[03:36:18] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[03:42:04] *** stpere has quit IRC[03:42:12] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[03:42:57] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[03:46:07] *** qNemo has joined #haiku[03:46:07] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[03:49:16] *** palopali has joined #haiku[03:54:11] *** moofree has quit IRC[04:27:20] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[04:31:13] <Duggan2> hey helf[04:31:45] <Duggan2> you got a spare power booster I can bum off of you?[04:33:01] *** Trodfoot has joined #haiku[04:35:08] *** Trodfoot has quit IRC[04:38:23] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[04:56:17] <helf> power booster?[04:56:36] <kcj> helf, Breaks.[04:56:46] <helf> ha, so i was correct?[04:56:56] <helf> kcj, that was my first thought but i wasnt sure[04:57:02] <kcj> ah.[04:57:26] * kcj nudges Duggan2[04:59:19] <kcj> helf, Did you end up finding any 2.5" HDDs?[05:01:55] <helf> nope[05:03:15] *** hamishm has quit IRC[05:06:25] <kcj> Dang.[05:06:55] <kcj> At least 160GB SATA HDDs aren't too expensive.[05:08:05] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:17:37] *** Duggan2 has quit IRC[05:20:59] *** volci has quit IRC[05:32:59] <AlienSoldier> helf: i planted the pecan in the field. The peach survived the last winter so i hope the pecan do also.[05:42:52] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[05:57:44] *** yongcong has quit IRC[06:01:21] <DHowett> o_O[06:06:37] *** PasNox has quit IRC[06:15:39] *** qNemo has quit IRC[06:17:45] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[06:19:36] *** palopali has quit IRC[06:35:18] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[06:40:20] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:47:33] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[06:57:19] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[07:04:40] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[07:05:50] *** yongcong has quit IRC[07:34:12] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:51:51] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:01:37] *** duvjones has quit IRC[08:05:16] *** RQ has joined #haiku[08:07:27] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[08:18:09] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:57:15] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[09:01:32] *** losch has joined #haiku[09:02:38] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[09:02:45] *** PasNox has quit IRC[09:04:53] *** losch has quit IRC[09:05:24] *** losch 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synchris has joined #haiku[13:08:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:12:39] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[13:14:56] *** dak has quit IRC[13:18:15] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[13:22:15] *** luko has joined #haiku[13:24:23] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[13:29:08] *** luko has quit IRC[13:33:26] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[13:34:42] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[13:48:05] *** adb has quit IRC[13:48:23] <CIA-68> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev44221 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=dc09611 :[13:48:23] <CIA-68> U-Boot: move gFDT declaration to shell.S[13:48:23] <CIA-68> * this avoids it falling into the BSS section which we clear quite late,[13:48:23] <CIA-68> and allows setting it from asm code if needed.[13:52:06] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:03:09] *** Malmis has quit IRC[14:07:59] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:09:15] *** losch has quit IRC[14:19:24] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[14:27:41] *** luko has joined #haiku[14:29:26] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[14:29:27] *** Hubert^^ 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<leszek> hi[18:19:20] <arfonzo> hey all[18:20:19] *** oco has quit IRC[18:22:09] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[18:24:40] *** yongcong has quit IRC[18:25:15] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[18:27:27] <scanty> is the latest virtualbox image for haiku available for only alpha3, or are there later ones available?[18:28:29] *** unthdarr has quit IRC[18:29:47] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[18:29:52] *** Malmis_v has joined #haiku[18:30:05] *** hagk has joined #haiku[18:30:12] <leszek> scanty: you can find nightylies here: http://www.haiku-files.org/haiku/development/[18:31:51] <scanty> leszek, thanks. now i can begin to port my NES emulator.[18:32:40] <Premislaus> scanty http://haikungfu.net/?page=weenes[18:32:53] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[18:33:21] <scanty> that's just benes[18:33:22] *** Malmis has quit IRC[18:33:28] <scanty> and it's like 14 years old[18:34:00] *** evil_name has quit IRC[18:34:35] <Premislaus> Can you update it? https://github.com/kallisti5/WeeNES/issues/4[18:35:49] <scanty> why would i update an emulator that wasn't mine, if i arleady work on my own[18:36:36] <scanty> plus i already have fullscreen, and resizeable windows and stuff[18:36:38] <scanty> and sound that works[18:37:12] <geist> yeah, totally[18:37:23] <geist> when one writes an emulator, you wanna run it on different things[18:37:31] <geist> as a fellow emulator writer, i feel for scanty[18:37:49] <scanty> geist, what are you emulating?[18:37:51] <geist> there may be other, better emulators, but it's not *yours*[18:38:17] <geist> i'e hacked a few. apple 2, kaypro, arm emulator[18:38:25] <geist> the armemu is the one i use the most[18:38:56] <scanty> cool[18:51:08] <Premislaus> I will give later for haiku-os.org forum - http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhaiku-os.pl%2Fnode%2F1493[18:59:34] <hagk> I made photography manipulation program with qt[18:59:36] <hagk> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/screenshot1crx.jpg/[19:02:07] <Premislaus> hagk cool :)[19:02:23] <Premislaus> Haiku clone Adobe Lightroom :P[19:04:32] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[19:05:08] <hagk> When I finish testing, I'll upload it to haikuware[19:06:04] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[19:12:39] <leszek> I wonder if I could get MAGi2 QML Touchscreen Desktop running on Haiku somehow. Would be nice to have a tablet ui for haiku: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932550@N00/7321482938/in/photostream[19:22:57] *** dcase has joined #haiku[19:24:55] <Premislaus> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/haiku_results_berometer_benchmark :)[19:26:29] *** hagk has quit IRC[19:30:30] *** hoelzro|away is now known as hoelzro[19:30:53] *** jua_ has quit IRC[19:31:04] <diver_> Premislaus: would be cool if you could also check it with A3[19:31:12] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[19:32:04] <diver_> Premislaus: and also compare A3 and nightly in VirtualBox[19:33:31] <juaa_> Nice, just today I was starting to look for some ways to test performance on Haiku.[19:34:52] *** jjido has joined #haiku[19:35:29] <Premislaus> diver_: i have KDL during instalation alpha3[19:40:58] *** yongcong has quit IRC[19:44:21] *** duvjones has quit IRC[19:55:41] *** jsj has quit IRC[20:02:30] <scanty> are the VMDKs gcc2 only?[20:02:37] <scanty> I need gcc4 for my project[20:02:40] <arfonzo> hey guys, can I mount an ftp as part of the filesystem?[20:05:00] <oco2> scanty : hybrids ones have both[20:06:50] <scanty> ah[20:06:55] <scanty> so how do you choose which gcc to use[20:07:13] <scanty> sorry, i'm new to haiku dev, but not beos stuff in general[20:08:48] <luroh> scanty: setgcc[20:09:36] <scanty> ah[20:10:15] *** gox has joined #haiku[20:10:20] <scanty> any recommended revision i should try (one that's good and stable for porting), or just grab the newest one?[20:10:23] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[20:10:53] *** gox is now known as hagk[20:10:57] <leszek> scanty: I would say just grep or better wget the newest one :P[20:11:25] <luroh> yeah, the gcc2hybrid nightly[20:11:42] <luroh> (gcc2h is the official release flavor)[20:14:11] *** losch has joined #haiku[20:14:20] <scanty> ok, thanks guys.[20:15:13] <scanty> wow haiku's site is fast. i'm pulling 3.6MBytes/sec down[20:22:12] *** hoelzro is now known as hoelzro|away[20:22:39] *** losch has quit IRC[20:23:15] *** losch has joined #haiku[20:26:36] *** _marc` has quit IRC[20:28:11] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[20:32:49] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[20:35:09] <scanty> virtualbox is funny, it asks me to press the right control key to swap mouse input from the VM to the OS... I don't have a right control key![20:35:42] <arfonzo> scanty: you can't refined that hotkey[20:35:49] <arfonzo> sorry, CAN.[20:35:59] <scanty> i know, i just can't find where to do that hehe[20:36:41] <arfonzo> open up the main vbox console[20:36:49] <arfonzo> file > preferences[20:37:03] <arfonzo> there is "input" or something like that, in this pop up.[20:39:21] <scanty> got it, thanks[20:44:08] <arfonzo> cool[20:47:33] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[20:49:01] *** Hiryu has left #haiku[20:59:58] <diver_> arfonzo: there was FTP-FS for BeOS, but since Haiku uses different files system api it doesn't work[21:00:19] <AlienSoldier> hi scanty, how is Pretendo advancing?[21:01:06] <scanty> AlienSoldier, pretty good. the whole source tree was restuctrued, and there's a bunch of new code. i will be porting it to haiku in the coming days/weeks[21:01:30] <diver_> arfonzo: there is sshfs via UserlandFS. I vaguely remember that UserlandFS supported BeOS file systems, though.[21:02:49] <scanty> and if i can find a bug in my ASM cpu core, this version will be a bit faster[21:03:57] <arfonzo> diver_: is userlandfs part of the nightly images?[21:04:26] <arfonzo> https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/running_userlandfs it's from 2007... hmmm[21:05:50] <diver_> no, but there is a special target in Haiku build system, So you can compile everything using "jam UserlandFS"[21:06:02] <AlienSoldier> scanty: i was given a Honeywell UDC2000 and a Honeywell 942 serie untrasonic sensor with it's signal conditioner, i guess i will do haiku driver for those one day :)[21:06:25] <scanty> cool :)[21:08:19] <diver_> AFAIR UserlandFS consists of several libs and userlandfs_server[21:08:57] <AlienSoldier> also got a bunch of other stuff that i guess i will sell, 2 Ge Fanuc axis controler that seem to retail $1300[21:09:08] <AlienSoldier> each[21:11:41] <scanty> fanuc stuff is pricey[21:13:27] <AlienSoldier> i can't verify if it work, so i guess i will sell it to a refurbisher at 50%[21:14:59] <AlienSoldier> scanty: i have not checked the emulation scene for a while anything new in 2012?[21:18:31] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[21:18:54] <juaa_> Anyone here who experiences the freezing/responsiveness problems on single-core machines? I'm looking for test cases. I have a few, but maybe there are more that can be measured well..[21:20:15] *** jsj has joined #haiku[21:20:27] <scanty> AlienSoldier, to be honest, I don't really follow it either. There are some insanely accuarate NES emulators now, but mine doesn't hold a candle to them[21:21:11] *** juaa_ is now known as jua_[21:21:39] <diver_> jua_: I can reproduce these freezes if I disable one of two cores I have[21:22:16] <jua_> Yes, that works too[21:22:33] <jua_> I'm looking for easy-to-reproduce easy-to-measure tests so I can check how well my patch fares[21:23:26] <AlienSoldier> moving windows around with mediaplayer palying mp3 on a slow PIII system would be a quite good test[21:23:36] <AlienSoldier> nice to see the patch is comming along![21:24:10] <jua_> yea, the new version boots now and seems to work fine, but I just got there today, it needs lots of testing this time :)[21:24:29] <AlienSoldier> indeed, it's a critical part of the code[21:24:34] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[21:24:43] <diver_> jua_: afair I reproduced it by resizing StyledEdit window[21:25:03] <jua_> yep, that was the original problem described in the bug ticket, that's on my list of things to test[21:25:13] <diver_> cool[21:25:34] <jua_> another thing is e.g. playing a FLAC in media player and then seeking.. with 1 core, I get serious freezing (with 2 cores it works fine)[21:27:16] *** unthdarr has quit IRC[21:27:32] <AlienSoldier> if you can down clock your PC int eh bios it would help a lot make the problem appear[21:27:53] <jua_> hmh, I don't think that's possible[21:28:11] <jua_> but the biggest problem is I need to find ways to quantify it.. maybe with scheduling_recorder..[21:28:20] *** hagk has left #haiku[21:33:52] <AlienSoldier> jua_ how formally good do you consider the patch now?[21:35:54] <jua_> Depends on what you mean by "formally good" :)[21:43:09] <jua_> interesting...[21:43:13] <AlienSoldier> as close to the proper way to do it without being too hackish[21:43:29] <jua_> Premislaus, did you zip that file on dropbox containing BeRometer?[21:44:14] <jua_> AlienSoldier, then I thenk yes, it's not hackish. It required some changes though that might have non-desirable side-effects, but maybe it's harmless, I have to test/benchmark[21:45:47] <AlienSoldier> i guess this is the problem developing with too powerfull machine, the original developer should have solved this long ago[21:46:22] <AlienSoldier> i even bitched stippi about the media server back then when it was probably not his fault at all :)[21:46:46] <jua_> hehe, yes, I hope this will solve many issues with media glitches[21:49:43] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:59:24] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:07:18] *** Malmis_v has quit IRC[22:12:38] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[22:16:48] *** RQ has quit IRC[22:17:27] <Premislaus> jua: no, diver[22:17:46] *** jjido has quit IRC[22:21:50] <jua_> ah[22:32:23] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:33:52] *** leszek has joined #haiku[22:33:56] <leszek> re[22:42:10] *** losch has quit IRC[22:42:27] *** jjido has joined #haiku[22:48:09] *** fhein has joined #haiku[22:57:05] *** jjido has quit IRC[23:04:05] *** volci has joined #haiku[23:05:27] *** jjido has joined #haiku[23:08:07] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[23:09:03] *** jjido has quit IRC[23:09:08] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:10:01] *** jjido_ is now known as jjido[23:23:36] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[23:24:19] *** jjido has quit IRC[23:29:09] *** jjido_ is now known as jjido[23:42:25] *** leszek has left #haiku[23:47:48] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:50:28] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[23:53:31] *** jjido has quit IRC