April 30, 2012 
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April 30, 2012 [00:04:35] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:04:42] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[00:05:48] <Skipp_OSX> 2 Haiku related news items on Hacker News, amazing[00:06:38] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[00:06:56] *** Luko has joined #haiku[00:07:18] *** iMe has quit IRC[00:10:54] *** oco2 has quit IRC[00:12:35] <dreamed> link?[00:13:55] <Luko> fter long time |4days| i boot to haiku andi have kernel panic.. meybe problem was that i reinstall to new ubuntu. andi test fedora too..[00:14:34] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[00:15:10] *** david0xffea has quit IRC[00:17:07] <Skipp_OSX> news.ycombinator.com[00:17:57] *** Luko has quit IRC[00:21:12] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[00:27:17] <dreamed> interesting reads[00:38:43] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:38:48] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[00:38:51] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[00:39:12] <HaikuUser2> Pretty cool little OS.[00:39:26] <HaikuUser2> Any chance of Firefox or Libre Office getting ported? VLC?[00:39:28] <HaikuUser2> :)[00:39:42] <HaikuUser2> Are there more games somewhere?[00:41:16] <mmadia> `installoptionalpackage` and http://www.haikuware.com[00:41:28] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:43:00] <HaikuUser2> That link is giving me all 500 errors... :/[00:43:26] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:43:28] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[00:43:55] <HaikuUser2> How do I run installoptionalpackage ?[00:44:09] <HaikuUser2> This is literally my first hour in Haiku.[00:44:11] <HaikuUser2> :)[00:45:48] <HaikuUser2> nm, now it worked... weird.[00:46:03] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:46:12] <Premislaus> HaikuUser2 on Terminal[00:46:12] <jprostko> HaikuUser2: cool. was just trying to type a response. :)[00:46:15] <Anarchos> HaikuUser2 just type it in a Terminal[00:46:29] *** aphedox_ has joined #haiku[00:46:48] <Premislaus> So far it does not have a GUI.[00:46:58] <HaikuUser2> ah. Going to try the haikuware method first. :)[00:47:20] <Premislaus> HaikuUSer2 https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/installoptionalpackage[00:47:59] <Premislaus> http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/[00:48:46] <CIA-37> looncraz-github.compositing: looncraz-github * 16c5fb8ef775487e3f4688c551b3317fe4a0155f : Merge branch 'master' into compositing [2 commits][00:49:59] *** aphedox has quit IRC[00:53:25] *** aphedox__ has joined #haiku[00:54:05] <HaikuUser2> Hmmm... Pretty cool. May have to install this native on a netbook. :)[00:54:12] <HaikuUser2> Performance seems great![00:55:26] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:55:30] <Premislaus> nightly or alpha?[00:55:48] <HaikuUser2> alpha. Also, if there'd been a torrent on the main site, I'd be seeding.[00:55:51] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[00:56:20] <HaikuUser2> Thanks guys! Good luck with the project![00:56:23] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[00:56:24] *** HaikuUser2 has quit IRC[00:56:28] *** aphedox_ has quit IRC[00:56:40] <Premislaus> ok[00:57:07] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:57:33] *** aphedox__ has quit IRC[00:57:50] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[01:03:26] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[01:05:55] *** kreos818 has quit IRC[01:06:13] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:12:22] *** Huggy has quit IRC[01:13:30] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:15:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:15:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:28:29] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:40:22] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:41:16] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:45:59] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:48:10] <CIA-37> haiku.master: czeidler * hrev44082 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=d20d29f : Create MAIL:flags index in Mail. This should fix #8506.[01:53:11] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:12:43] *** jprostko has quit IRC[02:13:56] *** hamishm has quit IRC[02:15:39] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:18:20] <HaikuUser> haiku works, with qemu, on ubuntu, and feels as fast as naked ubuntu. This is wonderful.[02:19:23] <dreamed> as fast?[02:19:25] <dreamed> whut?[02:19:29] <HaikuUser> feels[02:19:31] <dreamed> should be miles faster[02:19:32] <HaikuUser> can't quantify[02:19:32] <dreamed> ;)[02:19:35] <HaikuUser> xD[02:19:46] <HaikuUser> it is surprising how quickly the qemu image loads[02:20:30] <HaikuUser> can qemu run inside haiku? idling, one could run several nested instances.[02:21:40] <dreamed> no idea... but why would you do that?[02:21:45] <HaikuUser> for fun[02:26:01] <HaikuUser> what hardware is well supported? Do you guys run it on a macbook pro?[02:26:29] <mmadia> there seems to be a regression on macbook pros actually.[02:26:48] <mmadia> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8012#comment:14[02:27:22] <HaikuUser> I have a macbook pro 5,5 and soon an 8.*[02:27:29] <HaikuUser> alpha it is ... perhaps soon.[02:27:52] <HaikuUser> it is suprising by the way how well the javascript works in the webpositive app[02:27:55] <mmadia> it'd be worth to check the revisions mentioned in that comment ;)[02:28:34] <HaikuUser> will do. Thanks. WBBL[02:32:54] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[02:35:27] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[02:46:53] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:49:36] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:54:24] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[02:56:30] *** Advant has joined #haiku[02:56:30] *** Advant has joined #haiku[02:57:02] *** Advant has left #haiku[02:57:04] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:57:56] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[02:58:27] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[03:05:09] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[03:06:02] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:06:57] *** unthdarr has quit IRC[03:07:36] *** HaikuUser is now known as abbie[03:44:29] *** zerothis has joined #haiku[03:45:10] <zerothis> I have a pygame zip file with a system folder and etc folder in it. Where should I put these?[03:47:52] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:49:57] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:49:59] *** HaikuUser is now known as steliosn[03:50:09] *** steliosn is now known as linuxfault[03:50:29] *** linuxfault has quit IRC[03:51:00] *** GridCube has joined #haiku[03:55:12] * zerothis afk[04:06:52] <kcj> Hey BitPuffin.[04:14:09] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[04:18:25] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[04:18:34] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[04:22:41] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:24:22] *** abbie has quit IRC[04:25:42] *** abbie has joined #haiku[04:41:42] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[04:51:20] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[04:51:39] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[04:54:23] *** Constant_J-C has quit IRC[05:04:44] <CIA-37> haiku.master: czeidler * hrev44083 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=99a7ed4 :[05:04:44] <CIA-37> Remove lp_solve from the source and from the image.[05:04:44] <CIA-37> Its not used anymore and should be an optional package otherwise.[05:06:38] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[05:18:39] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:20:33] *** abbie has quit IRC[05:34:14] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[05:39:00] *** unthdarr has quit IRC[05:48:23] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #392 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc4] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc4] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc4] @alpha-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-raw] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/392 blamelist: haiku at clemens-zeidler dot de[05:52:03] *** jstressman1 has joined #haiku[05:52:55] *** jstressman has quit IRC[05:55:03] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[06:26:44] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[06:52:08] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[07:12:58] *** GridCube has quit IRC[07:21:07] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[07:30:33] *** synchris has quit IRC[07:32:56] *** synchris has joined #haiku[07:33:10] *** synchris has joined #haiku[07:35:51] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[07:50:39] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[07:59:02] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:18:41] *** synchris has quit IRC[08:23:12] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[08:32:59] *** rimio_ has joined #haiku[08:33:46] *** rimio_ has quit IRC[08:33:54] *** rimio_ has joined #haiku[08:34:50] *** klickback has joined #haiku[08:34:51] *** rimio_ has quit IRC[08:40:21] *** rimio__ has joined #haiku[08:46:06] *** rimio__ has quit IRC[08:46:12] *** rimio has joined #haiku[08:47:03] *** fhein has quit IRC[08:52:19] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[09:25:53] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[09:28:27] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[09:32:38] *** jua_ has quit IRC[09:33:12] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[09:38:15] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[09:38:29] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[09:47:20] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[09:47:21] *** TheLemonMan has joined #haiku[09:47:50] <TheLemonMan> Hello there, i'm a hobbyst programmer willing to help :)[09:48:57] <CIA-37> looncraz-github.compositing: looncraz-github * 9fed48555405b8c692d2d63837b9aaa027fcc21c :[09:48:57] <CIA-37> Remove some test code, orient towards multi-screen support.[09:48:57] <CIA-37> Screens 'register' themselves with the CompositeEngine so they can have their own rendering control threads.[09:48:57] <CIA-37> CompositeEngine will continue to developed as if multiple screens will be the norm.[09:48:57] <CIA-37> There are some other minor changes to address compatilibty with recent upstream changes as well.[09:54:04] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[09:54:06] *** adev has joined #haiku[09:55:24] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[10:00:52] *** aphedox has quit IRC[10:07:58] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[10:08:02] <Premislaus> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/interview_mathew_madia :)[10:15:08] *** kcj has quit IRC[10:15:32] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[10:17:04] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:17:04] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:21:18] *** cr3 has joined #haiku[10:27:29] *** TheLemonMan has quit IRC[10:36:22] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[10:44:06] *** klickback has quit IRC[10:44:56] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:51:49] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[11:00:55] *** synchris has quit IRC[11:01:56] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[11:09:07] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[11:27:54] *** vezhlys_ has joined #haiku[11:28:34] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[11:34:21] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:35:43] *** rimio has quit IRC[11:36:37] *** iMe has joined #haiku[11:38:31] *** rimio has joined #haiku[11:38:40] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[11:40:22] *** rimio has quit IRC[11:41:57] *** rimio has joined #haiku[11:50:53] *** cr3 has quit IRC[11:54:34] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[11:57:12] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[11:59:36] *** iMe has quit IRC[12:01:00] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[12:03:36] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[12:03:46] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[12:03:50] <dobroerlanger> Hello. Where can I read about replicants? At the moment I don't understand how they do work. I can't even find DescCalc's replicant thread :C[12:04:43] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[12:16:54] <OmniMancer> its not a thread[12:16:55] <BitPuffin> Looks like I missed kcj[12:17:13] <OmniMancer> dobroerlanger: replicants are not threads[12:18:13] <dobroerlanger> OmniMancer, so how do they work? If they don't have own threads, in which do they run?[12:19:05] <OmniMancer> they don't run in the program[12:21:40] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[12:24:20] <OmniMancer> a replicant is in short an archivable view with a BDragger attached to it[12:24:44] <OmniMancer> when you drag the dragger it archives the view and waits till it is dropped[12:24:56] <OmniMancer> when it is dropped on a BShelf[12:25:32] <OmniMancer> the shelf finds the binary that the archived view came from and loads it[12:25:34] *** klickback has joined #haiku[12:26:00] <OmniMancer> once it has been loaded it then unarchives the view and adds it to its view hierachy[12:26:57] <OmniMancer> ?[12:27:09] <OmniMancer> dobroerlanger: understand?[12:28:03] <aphedox> Hi, I've googled a bit and I have a question for which the answer may already be well known. It seems like data format handling is being increasingly moved out of the Translation Kit. Are audio and video codecs expected to be handled with Translators in the future or am I fundamentally misunderstanding something about the way things are handled in the media server?[12:28:57] <dobroerlanger> OmniMancer, yes, thank you.[12:29:40] <OmniMancer> dobroerlanger: important to note is that you cannot have gcc4 replicants on the desktop on a gcc2 or gcc2h haiku and vice versa[12:30:18] <dobroerlanger> That is pretty obvious. But I am sure we will get rid of legacy soon[12:31:38] <OmniMancer> I don't think it will be that soon[12:31:58] <OmniMancer> why were you wondering how replicants work?[12:32:20] *** XenoDuck has quit IRC[12:32:45] *** Huggy has left #haiku[12:33:14] <BitPuffin> Has webpositive gotten html video support yet?[12:33:49] <OmniMancer> don't think so[12:33:57] <BitPuffin> That's a shame[12:34:26] <OmniMancer> the people who work on it don't have much time and there are other things they need to do on it first[12:34:32] <BitPuffin> That should at least be present in R1![12:34:38] <BitPuffin> Yeah[12:35:23] <BitPuffin> What about multi head support?[12:36:19] <OmniMancer> I think that might be a while coming[12:36:57] <BitPuffin> I've noticed a lot of work being done on graphic stuff on the mailing list[12:37:53] <BitPuffin> Mainly compositing[12:39:03] <BitPuffin> What about package management? Still installoptionalpackage?[12:39:16] <dobroerlanger> May be that will be not that soon, but gcc4-only Haiku is already usable.[12:39:44] <dobroerlanger> My interest in replicants is related to Metro. I'm going to write *something*.[12:41:17] <OmniMancer> Metro?[12:41:26] <OmniMancer> the win8 ui?[12:42:22] <BitPuffin> what, use hybrid :)[12:43:00] <OmniMancer> BitPuffin: replicants don't work across the boundary, even in hybrids[12:43:47] <OmniMancer> this is because the tracker process must load the replicant code and search fits the wrong gccor a symbol in it, it won't find the symbol if[12:43:56] <OmniMancer> its the wrong gcc[12:44:55] *** vezhlys_ has quit IRC[12:49:58] *** rimio has quit IRC[12:57:07] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:57:49] <aphedox> nobody knows?[13:05:01] *** dobroerlanger has quit IRC[13:05:52] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[13:06:27] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[13:10:09] <BitPuffin> aphedox, what?[13:11:06] <aphedox> why audio and video don't have data translators anymore[13:11:14] <aphedox> but have media server plugins instead[13:11:46] <aphedox> or if the difference is even functionally significant[13:12:16] *** Advant has joined #haiku[13:13:56] *** rimio has joined #haiku[13:15:20] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[13:19:46] <aphedox> no then?[13:19:47] <aphedox> lol[13:20:24] <OmniMancer> I don't know[13:20:50] <OmniMancer> you will probably get a better answer if you send the question to the development mailing list[13:21:33] <aphedox> alright then[13:23:15] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[13:23:28] <Dane_> boink[13:27:17] *** Advant has left #haiku[13:40:08] *** klickback has quit IRC[13:42:42] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[13:44:23] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[13:53:58] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[13:55:13] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[13:58:30] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[14:03:07] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[14:03:18] <Dane_> weird...[14:03:25] <Dane_> While booted to my current Haiku partition (the one I've been using), BootManager isn't giving me the option to create a multi-boot menu. It only shows Haiku2 as an option, and that's the destination hard drive for my new Haiku installation. Even if I select that one, and then reboot, no boot menu appears, and it just boots back to my current Haiku partition. Making matters more difficult, hitting spacebar when the splash screen[14:03:25] <Dane_> appears doesn't let me choose a boot partition either.[14:04:20] <Dane_> I ran makebootable on both partitions[14:05:13] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:05:46] <Dane_> Is something broken in the present BootManager?[14:06:13] <Dane_> And doesn't spacebar work anymore, as a way to get to the safe mode options screen?[14:10:04] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[14:25:37] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[14:45:06] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[14:50:41] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[14:51:14] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[14:53:24] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[14:53:40] *** romain__ has joined #haiku[14:54:24] *** romain__ has quit IRC[14:58:07] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[15:05:18] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[15:14:03] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[15:15:52] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[15:15:59] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[15:17:59] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:19:45] <arfonzo> hey guys, Premislaus just reading your interview w/mmadia now.[15:20:14] <Premislaus> :)[15:20:15] <arfonzo> I've asked before, but didn't get response, so let me ask again: is there a way for UK people to do monthly donations? I.e., via Pay Pal[15:20:50] <Premislaus> http://www.haiku-inc.org/donations.html - maybe paypal?[15:22:12] <zerothis> Where should I put this system folder and etc fold from the pygame for beos zip file?[15:23:09] <arfonzo> hm, it says only USD and EUR, but I'll try from my account later, which is in GBP.[15:23:51] <arfonzo> (this is where I looked before, but probably I'm just confused as to the info in http://www.haiku-inc.org/donation-processors.html )[15:24:41] <Premislaus> zerothis: i dont know, but as I had something similar to install, the pasting it to the directory with the same names and work[15:25:14] <Premislaus> arfonzo:you have to convert on paypal[15:25:36] <arfonzo> zerothis: if you "expand contents", to see the structure of your ZIP, you will generally have a good idea where to place it. "Normally" it's just /boot/[15:25:39] <Premislaus> in paypal[15:26:37] <arfonzo> that carries a conversion charge, right?[15:27:03] <arfonzo> "Payments requiring a currency conversion include a 2.5% fee"[15:27:29] <Premislaus> i don't remember, you need to check yourself on paypal[15:29:13] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[15:29:16] <zerothis> Premislaus, yes, i expanded it, I looked in the /system and /etc folders. I don't have a clue where to place /etc. and /system didn't work in /system.[15:30:39] <Premislaus> this is a haiku version of pygame?[15:30:54] <zerothis> yes, haiku version[15:31:26] <zerothis> sorry, I said 'beos' by mistake[15:32:00] <zerothis> there's a pygame for beos?[15:33:11] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[15:34:05] <Premislaus> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/games/pygame[15:34:55] <Premislaus> Give me a link to the haiku version[15:36:03] <zerothis> that's the one, from haiku ware, 1.7.1 i think[15:36:38] <zerothis> although there's a 'zeta' somthing directory buried in the zip file[15:39:44] <zerothis> well, i have to pay bills/go to work now.[15:39:45] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:39:59] * zerothis afk/off to work[15:48:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:51:11] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[15:57:08] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[16:13:53] *** evildaemon has quit IRC[16:15:28] *** paul0 has quit IRC[16:21:32] *** markos_ has quit IRC[16:23:50] *** backb0ne_ has quit IRC[16:24:56] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:36:51] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[16:47:25] *** txtsd has quit IRC[16:47:32] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[16:48:50] *** TheLemonMan has joined #haiku[16:48:54] <TheLemonMan> halo ?[16:49:11] *** Forca has joined #haiku[16:49:28] <Premislaus> hi :)[16:49:52] <TheLemonMan> i'm a developer willing to give some help with haiku :)[16:49:57] <Premislaus> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/interview_mathew_madia Read![16:50:18] <Premislaus> TheLemonMan hmm??[16:51:09] *** zymoticb has joined #haiku[16:51:57] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[16:52:05] <zymoticb> Hey guys, is it currently possible to install Haiku to a partition greater than 4?[16:52:09] <TheLemonMan> Premislaus: id like to get involved in the project[16:57:57] <Premislaus> OK :) thanks[16:58:24] <Premislaus> What you most interested in?[16:59:42] <Premislaus> zymotich: greater than 4 GB??[16:59:48] <Premislaus> yes :)[17:00:00] <zymoticb> I am on my 9th partition and I would rather not move things around[17:00:15] <zymoticb> but if need be a will[17:00:38] <TheLemonMan> well, i'd fix first some bugs to get a grasp of the source structure[17:00:53] <zymoticb> Jam is telling me I have an invalid partition index and shows me only my mbr worth of partitions[17:01:31] <Premislaus> Do more than 4 partitions?[17:01:58] <zymoticb> Yea I would like to install to the 9th partition on my GPT disk[17:02:20] <Premislaus> TheLemonMan: You have fallen for me from the sky :), maybe http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8295[17:03:04] <Premislaus> zymotich https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/2009-11-18_multiboot_installation_gpt_disk i don't know, i have 2 partitions for windows and 1 for haiku[17:04:12] <zymoticb> okay thanks. That person simply moved haiku to the second partition and synced their mbr. I'll keep looking though.[17:06:14] <TheLemonMan> hrm, dont have that exact wifi card, i have a spare ralink one but dont know what model is[17:09:01] *** rimio has quit IRC[17:09:52] *** synchris has joined #haiku[17:09:52] *** synchris has joined #haiku[17:10:15] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:18:11] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[17:19:27] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[17:34:04] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[17:53:49] *** yongcong has quit IRC[17:58:54] <mmu_man> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/frand-is-a-fraud[18:02:22] *** adev has quit IRC[18:03:00] *** dimonov has quit IRC[18:06:44] *** wry has quit IRC[18:07:31] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[18:09:29] *** dimonov has joined #haiku[18:12:38] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[18:13:18] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:14:03] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:16:05] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[18:16:38] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[18:19:31] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[18:19:46] <Dane_> Anybody else experiencing this?[18:19:47] <Dane_> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8507[18:19:53] <Dane_> (or something like it)[18:20:49] *** jrjr has joined #haiku[18:21:02] <jrjr> Hey room.[18:21:41] <jrjr> Haiku new comer here. I have been reading quite a bit about haiku recently, and am, and have been very interested.[18:22:22] <jrjr> I have a question: has anyone completely switched to haiku as a primary os, or do most people run in a vm?[18:22:56] <arfonzo> Hi jrjr. I run it as a VM, but as my "primary OS", in the sense that I do everything, from it.[18:23:37] <jrjr> arfonzo: Im talking a "bare metal" approach[18:24:36] <jrjr> I have an old laptop laying around i was going to try and use for a week or so[18:24:52] <jrjr> I have some interesting ideas and I think Haiku can help me with that and my dissertation[18:25:05] <arfonzo> many people do this.[18:25:10] <jrjr> it involves haike, and e17..... but ill digress from that later[18:25:30] <jrjr> where is a good place to learn more about the internals of haiku?[18:25:50] <arfonzo> I don't, because I need some functionality that Haiku can't do yet for me.[18:26:11] <jrjr> like?[18:26:22] <arfonzo> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ that is a good place to start for developers[18:27:31] <arfonzo> for me, like: WPA, and virtualbox.[18:27:46] <jrjr> i thought wpa has a package created[18:28:58] <arfonzo> http://haikuware.com/20110928600/mmlr-adds-wpa-support-to-haiku[18:29:20] <arfonzo> There is some degree of WPA support[18:29:50] <jrjr> nice[18:30:13] <jrjr> thanks for your help arfonzo, im going to try the anyboot and install it from there. We will see how i can get along with using it[18:30:21] *** jrjr has quit IRC[18:30:41] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[18:30:52] <arfonzo> Er, was just about to suggest the nightly for this chap. Alas.[18:32:14] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[18:32:29] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[18:35:34] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[18:40:18] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:41:55] *** duvjones has quit IRC[18:46:36] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[18:53:21] *** dobroerlanger has quit IRC[18:54:43] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[18:56:12] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[18:58:43] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[19:00:18] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:05:59] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[19:07:15] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[19:09:44] *** dobroerlanger has joined #haiku[19:11:06] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:11:52] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[19:12:37] *** oco2 has quit IRC[19:14:41] *** wry has joined #haiku[19:18:04] *** zymoticb has quit IRC[19:19:33] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[19:19:47] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[19:22:47] *** jua_ has quit IRC[19:22:51] *** juaa_ is now known as jua_[19:27:23] *** bitkid has joined #haiku[19:27:26] <bitkid> hello[19:28:13] <bitkid> I have just booted Haiku R1 Alpha 3 on an old machine. It looks like it works, except for the mouse[19:28:51] <bitkid> I have 2 usb mice, one old school one with a ball and an optic one[19:29:04] <bitkid> there are 4 usb ports, none of the mice works in any of the ports[19:29:24] <bitkid> anyone have any ideas how to get one of them working?[19:30:23] <Premislaus> PS2 adapter?[19:31:00] <Premislaus> works for me, unfortunately I have no idea what you can do[19:31:02] <Premislaus> :-([19:31:45] <Premislaus> bitkid: report a bug - http://dev.haiku-os.org/[19:32:27] <Premislaus> Maybe you have a USB 1.0 or 1.1 and the mouse requires 1.1 or 2.0?[19:32:50] *** Ingenu_ has joined #haiku[19:33:25] <PulkoMandy> looks like an interrupt storm problem[19:34:00] <PulkoMandy> in the deskbar, you can see ProcessController next to the clock. If the first bar is filled with blue, interrupt storm is the problem[19:34:08] <PulkoMandy> if it's black, it's something else[19:35:38] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[19:35:43] <Premislaus> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/interview_mathew_madia Comments![19:38:17] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:40:20] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:44:58] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:45:12] <bitkid> PulkoMandy: it is blue[19:45:25] <bitkid> I think[19:45:39] <bitkid> at least something is blue[19:45:43] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[19:46:06] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:46:26] <bitkid> it looks more like a network connection icon[19:54:02] <PulkoMandy> that's not the one, there should be two bars next to it[19:54:11] <PulkoMandy> (cpu load and memory usage)[19:58:35] <bitkid> there is the network icon, a green bobble that looks like it might be part of the network icon and a speaker icon[19:58:46] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:58:49] <bitkid> that is it[19:59:20] <bitkid> above is a blue feather, below is a dog and the word tracker[19:59:25] *** adb_ has joined #haiku[19:59:38] *** Barrett|Haiku has joined #haiku[20:01:10] <bitkid> just tried ps2 converter[20:01:16] <bitkid> didn't work either[20:01:38] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[20:02:08] <Skipp_OSX> bitkid, do you mean below the blue leaf (not feather) and above the Tracker dog?[20:05:10] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:05:18] <HaikuUser> sdf[20:05:38] *** LjL has quit IRC[20:05:42] <bitkid> Skipp_OSX: yes[20:06:43] <bitkid> the light in the optic mouse is on when I attach that[20:06:43] <HaikuUser> just messing around[20:07:00] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[20:10:41] <bitkid> I'm trying to install it now, but I can't figure out how to use DriveSetup without mouse[20:12:24] *** [r4] has quit IRC[20:12:58] <Skipp_OSX> bitkid: you really need a mouse...[20:13:24] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[20:13:40] <Skipp_OSX> bitkid, I missed the beginning part, is this a laptop trackpad or something?[20:14:18] <bitkid> Skipp_OSX: no. I have 2 different mice. and old one with a ball and an optic one[20:14:24] <bitkid> both usb[20:14:29] <bitkid> none of them work[20:14:40] <Skipp_OSX> bitkid, hmmm, USB should work...[20:14:43] <bitkid> neither by usb or ps2 converter[20:14:52] <Skipp_OSX> PS/2 should really work.[20:14:56] *** LjL has joined #haiku[20:15:04] <bitkid> both of them are apple mice[20:15:48] <Skipp_OSX> bitkid, ahhhh, maybe that would not work if it is a magic mouse or something...[20:16:04] <Skipp_OSX> just a regular Pro/Mighty mouse should work I would think though[20:16:14] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[20:16:43] <bitkid> it is a mighty mouse with a cord[20:16:56] <bitkid> the other one is the old hockey puck[20:17:14] <Skipp_OSX> bitkid, get one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-3-Button-Optical-Wheel-Mouse/dp/B000H51GA6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1335809807&sr=8-5[20:17:38] <Skipp_OSX> $8, USB, optical, great mouse[20:18:45] <Skipp_OSX> although, like I said, the Apple mouse should work, I have one at home I could try, although it was such a piece of crap I had to stop using it.[20:19:22] <luroh> bitkid: there are a number of things you could try to get it going[20:19:32] <luroh> try a nightly image from http://haiku-files.org/[20:19:56] <luroh> look for a "disable Plug-n-Play" setting in your BIOS[20:20:34] <luroh> have a look around for any available BIOS upgrades[20:22:27] <luroh> you can also try disabling stuff in BIOS that you don't need, like a dial-up modem, LPT port... in the hopes that it'll shake up your IRQs[20:23:33] <luroh> if you're booting from a CD, try booting from a USB stick instead[20:23:48] <luroh> (try both raw and anyboot images)[20:24:33] <arfonzo> hey guys, how would i find out which version of webkit my web+ is using?[20:25:21] <bitkid> luroh: thanks, I'll do the bios thing right away[20:27:52] *** wry has quit IRC[20:28:32] <bitkid> damnit[20:28:39] *** GridCube has joined #haiku[20:28:40] <bitkid> the bios is password protected[20:30:26] *** gridcube_ has joined #haiku[20:30:46] <luroh> time to arm yourself with a screwdriver and go battery hunting :)[20:33:31] *** GridCube has quit IRC[20:33:51] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[20:34:32] <bitkid> hehe :-)[20:36:12] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: window > about ?[20:36:33] *** gridcube_ is now known as GridCube[20:42:58] *** hubert_ has joined #haiku[20:43:46] <TheLemonMan> why the build system doesnt use the host compiler ?[20:45:03] <scgtrp> to keep it from linking against the host's libraries, for one[20:45:34] <TheLemonMan> this becomes the 9th compiler on this machine[20:45:50] <Skipp_OSX> TheLemonMan, it uses the host compiler to build the cross compiler, obviously you don't want to have to build gcc2 on your host[20:46:12] <Skipp_OSX> and you don't want your host libraries to affect the resulting image...[20:47:29] <TheLemonMan> any problem if i build gcc4 ?[20:48:17] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: it only seems to show webkit svn version there[20:48:23] <Skipp_OSX> TheLemonMan, you mean, build a gcc4 image? No, you can do that[20:48:57] <Skipp_OSX> TheLemonMan, I mean, you can't use your host gcc4, but you can build a gcc4 cross compiler which used whatever version of gcc4 we are on.[20:49:25] <TheLemonMan> you just made me stop the compilation process :([20:50:21] <bitkid> argh... stupid all-in-one computer is not easily taken apart[20:51:11] <Skipp_OSX> okay... so as to switch to gcc4?[20:51:51] <TheLemonMan> its building gcc2 now[20:52:31] <TheLemonMan> i wish i had some more cpus to spare[20:55:07] *** duvjones has quit IRC[21:03:41] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: well, the webkit is our fork so it is not more versioned than that I think[21:05:36] *** hubert_ has quit IRC[21:06:53] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[21:07:03] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[21:07:24] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:10:21] *** root has joined #haiku[21:10:36] *** root is now known as Guest57814[21:10:45] *** Guest57814 is now known as petterhj[21:14:37] *** synchris has quit IRC[21:14:48] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:15:48] *** dcase has joined #haiku[21:19:12] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:23:32] <bitkid> damn... downloaded 44083 and that also does not work[21:24:11] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[21:24:13] <luroh> cd or usb?[21:24:18] <bitkid> cd[21:24:49] <bitkid> does that matter?[21:25:36] <luroh> yeah, i've seen a couple of machines that wouldn't boot from cd[21:25:51] <bitkid> it does boot[21:26:01] <bitkid> only thing not working is the mouse[21:26:12] <luroh> it hangs at the desktop, right?[21:26:14] *** duvjones has quit IRC[21:26:38] <bitkid> I can use the keyboard just fine[21:26:50] <luroh> ah ok[21:26:55] <bitkid> system works[21:26:59] <bitkid> just mouse[21:27:19] <bitkid> maybe it is usb all together[21:27:43] <bitkid> just connected an apple usb keyboard and that doesn't work either[21:27:46] <Skipp_OSX> keyboard is PS/2 or USB?[21:28:11] <Skipp_OSX> bitkid, now I know that works... so, it is most likely the case that USB is not working[21:28:32] <bitkid> but my good ole ibm ps2 keyboard works perfectly[21:28:55] <bitkid> I have to go now. bbl[21:29:12] <luroh> good luck[21:35:12] *** backb0ne_ has joined #haiku[21:37:41] *** jstressman1 is now known as jstressman[21:39:19] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[21:39:30] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[21:41:28] *** synchris has joined #haiku[21:42:20] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:48:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:00:20] <CIA-37> HaikuPorts: augiedoggie * r1876 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/boehm-gc/ (6 files in 3 dirs) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1876 :[22:00:20] <CIA-37> Add bep and patch for boehm-gc.[22:00:20] <CIA-37> Patch contributed by Hamish, bep written by me.[22:00:20] <CIA-37> Only tested with gcc4 using w3m as the test app.[22:00:57] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingeu[22:01:03] *** Ingeu is now known as Ingenu[22:11:49] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[22:14:46] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[22:15:50] *** GridCube has quit IRC[22:17:23] *** GridCube has joined #haiku[22:24:10] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[22:24:12] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:26:24] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:26:57] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:31:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:32:07] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:35:51] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[22:36:02] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[22:38:45] *** unthdarr has quit IRC[22:40:55] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:43:37] *** kreos818 has joined #haiku[22:44:27] *** Barrett|Haiku has quit IRC[22:45:17] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:45:22] *** HaikuUser is now known as tatalum[22:46:07] *** tatalum is now known as tantalum[22:46:11] <CIA-37> haiku.master: axeld * hrev44084 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=a2e15b2 : Changed the default background color to the system default.[22:48:00] *** kreos818 has quit IRC[22:48:22] *** kreos818 has joined #haiku[22:56:21] *** tantalum has quit IRC[22:58:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:59:19] *** Forca has quit IRC[23:03:48] *** sl__ has quit IRC[23:03:57] *** sl__ has joined #haiku[23:05:38] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[23:13:54] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[23:16:46] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[23:17:46] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[23:21:56] *** aphedox has quit IRC[23:24:08] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[23:30:12] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[23:30:48] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[23:40:58] *** kreos818 has quit IRC[23:41:18] *** kreos818 has joined #haiku[23:41:50] *** kreos818 has quit IRC[23:50:43] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:52:54] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:56:10] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[23:56:25] *** mitknil has quit IRC