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[00:14:51] <Premislaus> "Linuxes are from Mars, Haiku are from Venus"
[00:16:03] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_from_Mars,_Women_Are_from_Venus
[00:16:05] <Premislaus> ;)
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[01:56:20] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44078 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=80a2151 : BuildSetup: Enable other platforms besides u-boot on arm
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[05:34:45] <LaceySnr> what's the easiest way to compile and test different parts of Haiku specifically? ?
[05:35:02] <LaceySnr> just build to another Haiku install on another partition or something ?
[05:35:10] <LaceySnr> assume that'd be far safer than doing anything on my main install?
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[06:25:33] <evildaemon> So, any progress on that TV viewer? =P
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[06:48:58] <CIA-37> looncraz-github.compositing: looncraz-github * d1d25fe6b14bb42cd5247d3bf8a9dc4dcea118f9 :
[06:48:58] <CIA-37> Interim commit [39 commits]
[06:48:59] <CIA-37> Just a few changes to record before rebasing to include recent changes in the real Haiku repo.
[06:48:59] <CIA-37> Copy constructor didn't exist for BCompositeOverlay, which caused deleting it from the heap to fail in a not-so-elegant fashion. This commit has a stop-gap measure
[06:48:59] <CIA-37> until I have a chance to do it properly...
[06:54:13] <CIA-37> haiku.master: czeidler * hrev44079 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=dab1609 :
[06:54:13] <CIA-37> Use BSecureSocket and BSocket instead of ServerConnection. [2 commits]
[06:54:13] <CIA-37> * When sending a new command, drain all leftover data and not only 1025 chars.
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[07:12:50] <SMCollins> shhhh, every one is sleeping
[07:14:05] <jayrulez> :|
[07:14:13] <jayrulez> sleep is the enemy
[07:27:27] <SMCollins> I am at hour 20 in my work day, gonna knock off here soon
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[07:39:13] <jayrulez> I will in a few minutes
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[08:14:04] <evildaemon> jayrulez: I'm not sure when I last slept.
[08:14:26] <evildaemon> jayrulez: The answer is something like: "A shorter time than most people in this room."
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[08:21:55] <jstressman> woot!
[08:21:56] <jstressman> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-dawn-of-haiku-os/0
[08:22:14] <jstressman> just saw that show up on our Y Combinator news feed.
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[08:42:51] <evildaemon> jstressman: It's been up for a while.
[08:43:26] <evildaemon> It's actually the reason I asked about the TV viewer. Which appears to exist in alpha 3.
[08:43:35] <evildaemon> Though i'm not sure if it actually works.
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[08:58:41] <pulkomandy> it should work but... do we have drivers ?
[08:59:03] <pulkomandy> (I don't think I saw any driver for DVB-T cards, that makes it rather useless these days)
[09:04:57] <Skipp_OSX> jstressman: yeah, I saw it on OSNews earlier, but, it is nice to see something like that on Hacker News which has a much brighter community of commenters
[09:05:40] <Skipp_OSX> The discussion on OSnews has just turned into a squabble about Haiku vs. Linux which I find quite distasteful.
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[09:08:27] <helf> it ALWAYS does
[09:08:43] <helf> OSN is a cesspool :p
[09:08:51] <helf> ...I dont know why I keep commenting there
[09:09:05] <Skipp_OSX> it really is, I took them out of my RSS feed
[09:09:22] <helf> I think I still go to it out of habit
[09:09:47] <helf> though, I'm about to kill my account after I got blasted and voted into oblivion for liking WP7.5 :|
[09:10:12] <Skipp_OSX> I boycotted OSNews in 2003 after Eugenia rated Win2003 a 10/10 for installed applications as a Desktop OS
[09:10:31] <Skipp_OSX> Didn't go back to the site until she left
[09:11:11] <helf> god, she was a bitch
[09:11:21] <helf> thom isnt much better. :p
[09:12:33] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, there is way too much political stuff about trials and IP and way too little news about what the site is suppose to be about, operating system news
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[09:13:11] <helf> its thoms personal blog
[09:14:47] <Skipp_OSX> well, Thom is a bit better than Eugenia at least :)
[09:15:17] <helf> He joined IRC and started private messaging me after I lambasted him
[09:15:43] <helf> I forget exactly what I had said, though.
[09:16:54] <Skipp_OSX> anyway, cesspool
[09:17:05] <helf> heh
[09:17:27] <helf> its 2am and I'm driving to FL tomorrow. I think I'd better go to bed. Later
[09:17:48] <Skipp_OSX> goodnight
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[11:49:30] <mmu_VIP> \o/ 11:41 <@pmdata> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-dawn-of-haiku-os/0
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[12:01:56] <Premislaus> hi
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[12:09:43] <arfonzo> hey Premislaus, and everyone
[12:09:57] <Premislaus> hello arfonzo :)
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[12:10:43] <arfonzo> how's things?
[12:12:35] <Premislaus> good, just  i translate the interview to Polish
[12:12:50] <arfonzo> I'm taking another crack at compiling QtWebKit 2.2, don't expect too much success tho. :(
[12:13:01] <arfonzo> ah, excellent
[12:13:48] <Premislaus> why, what are your problems?
[12:14:16] <arfonzo> Have you successfully compiled qtwebkit?
[12:14:59] <Premislaus> no
[12:16:49] <arfonzo> I have not had luck building from the qtwebkit git repo. I can't remember the exact errors I've run across before, but I'll ask in here as I start messing around with it.
[12:17:47] <arfonzo> I've managed to build qupzilla from their repo, with a 2.0 qtwebkit, which is ok... it has about 50 more points on html5test than the haikuware qupzilla package. I'd just like to get those points higher, if I can. Hopefully with a newer qtwebkit.
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[12:24:00] <rimio> has anyone managed to set up a windows env to compile haiku?
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[12:31:18] <mmu_VIP> rimio: it's not really supported, was tried long ago but the build system changed quite a bit
[12:32:01] <rimio> mmu_VIP: I see
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[14:46:27] <hend> I got kernel panic in nightly build r439567 while trying to install tranmission via installoptionalpackage. Will that problem not appear if I try latest build?
[14:46:45] <hend> *transmission
[14:47:17] <mmadia> it's worth testing and reporting if the panic continues to happen.
[14:48:52] <mmadia> it didn't panic for me on r44078.
[14:49:04] <hend> but before that, it did?
[14:50:11] <mmadia> this is the only thing i can think of: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8187
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[16:08:48] <CIA-37> haiku.master: korli * hrev44080 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=80ee381 : ffmpeg: use the cpu count as decoding thread count.
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[16:22:10] <arfonzo> Hey all, is there an alternative for pthread_getattr_np()? I know it's not POSIX
[16:22:47] <arfonzo> (I'm digging through QtWebKit's JavaScript core)
[16:23:11] <mmadia> if no one happens to answer, be sure to ask on http://www.freelists.org/list/haiku-3rdparty-dev
[16:27:56] <arfonzo> mmadia: will do, thanks. I wasn't sure if I should be asking these questions there, I'm still learning
[16:29:01] <mmadia> IRC can be funny, in the sense that most of the people stay logged on, but aren't in front of the keyboard at the moment. Plus, a good number of devs simply don't use IRC.
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[16:31:33] <evildaemon> mmadia: Well IRC makes that easy to do.
[16:32:12] <Xeon3D> and bouncers make it even easier.
[16:32:14] <mmadia> right, but people new to IRC may not realize that.
[16:32:31] <evildaemon> mmadia: Most devs are probably the type of people who leave their computers on for a while. So why *not* stay idle for a month?
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[16:34:12] <mmadia> that's not what i was getting at.  just that the list of users in a channel doesn't necessarily reflect the number of people able to respond in a timely fashion (let alone the fact that some of Haiku's developers simply don't use IRC or check the logs).
[16:34:25] <evildaemon> mmadia: Well yeah.
[16:34:52] <evildaemon> I like to say that about 10% of users are actually not AFK at any given point.
[16:35:12] <evildaemon> And that it rotates constantly but about the same percentage stays.
[16:36:02] <evildaemon> Depends on the channel though.
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[16:37:52] <Xeon3D> I'm not afk, but I didn't answer cause it's not really something in my department :P
[16:39:36] <evildaemon> Xeon3D: It's like: 10% aren't AFK and only 1%, if your lucky, will answer your question.
[16:40:07] <Xeon3D> in most non-mainstream channels, yes.
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[16:41:25] <evildaemon> But I don't think anyone should feel guilty about idling. The room would just have less users in it, making it feel emptier.
[16:41:42] <mmadia> that wasn't my intention either ;)
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[16:42:14] <evildaemon> mmadia: I know. (;
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[17:04:01] <arfonzo> is there a way to add contacts/some kind of address book in the Email app?
[17:05:22] <mmadia> iirc, the To: selection list performs a query for People files.
[17:08:58] <arfonzo> great, thanks mmadia
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[17:16:58] <arfonzo> is there any nickname resolution? I type in someone's nickname in the TO: box but it doesn't seem to do anything to show that's it's linked it to a People contact
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[17:27:57] <evildaemon> What's the haiku IRC client?
[17:28:14] <evildaemon> (If there is one.)
[17:28:35] <mmadia> Vision
[17:28:53] <mmadia> it comes with the nightly and release versions of Haiku too.
[17:29:30] <evildaemon> Thought so since most of the people leaving are using it. I'm in Linux right now and was just curious.
[17:30:38] <evildaemon> Is there a list of software haiku still needs?
[17:31:59] <mmadia> a written down list -- not that i'm aware of.  usually, people are suggested to run Haiku for a bit and without doubt they'll find a personal itch.
[17:32:47] <mmadia> and the software that is available could definitely use additional helping hands.
[17:42:02] <arfonzo> agreed, I've only been using Haiku as my primary OS for a few months now and I'm sure my list of what Haiku needs will differ vastly from someone else's.
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[17:59:40] <evildaemon> Sweet. Finally got network connectivity.
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[18:07:00] <arfonzo> Can Haiku mount NFS or AFP?
[18:13:38] <pulkomandy> arfonzo: that's one of the GSoC projects this year I think, so, not yet ? :)
[18:14:08] <arfonzo> hm, ok. I do see mount_nfs binary on my system
[18:14:47] <mmadia> iirc, there's fuse netfs thing available, but i never tried it personally.
[18:15:05] <pulkomandy> arfonzo: it's for an older version of the NFS protocol, and I think it crashes when you enter a directory
[18:15:12] <pulkomandy> (unless that part was fixed already)
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[18:29:55] <arfonzo> ok, thanks
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[19:25:13] <HaikuUser> hi!
[19:25:32] <HaikuUser> just installed a fresh Haiku VM box... is there a FireFox-like browser for it
[19:25:36] <HaikuUser> ?
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[19:26:02] <LukyPottersky> geist?
[19:26:16] <LukyPottersky> [aspirin]?
[19:26:22] <punneto> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/internet-network/web-browsers/firefox-bezilla
[19:26:28] <punneto> I use this one
[19:26:51] <LukyPottersky> oh thank you my friend
[19:27:27] <LukyPottersky> for some reason it doesnt want to start the download :/
[19:27:40] <LukyPottersky> but thanks anyways
[19:28:20] <Skipp_OSX> I would use Web+ instead
[19:28:32] <Skipp_OSX> BeZillaBrowser is quite old at this point.
[19:28:52] <humdinger> and don't install those versions.
[19:28:59] <humdinger> use "installoptionalpackage -l"
[19:29:21] <humdinger> There's "WebPositive" and BeZillaBrowser" as optional packages.
[19:29:50] <LukyPottersky> hmm
[19:30:56] <LukyPottersky> lol
[19:31:00] <LukyPottersky> i think i have 0mb left on my hd
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[19:31:52] <humdinger> that's a bit on the low side...
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[19:36:16] <Skipp_OSX> what that means is that you booted from a nightly, which has only enough space for the files on the nightly, you need to create a new partition/disk image and install onto that.
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[19:53:17] <HaikuUser> hello
[19:53:29] <humdinger> hello HaikuUser.
[19:53:35] <humdinger> unique name :)
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[19:53:50] <HaikuUser> haven't worked with IRC in a few weeks.  gimme a sec.
[19:56:14] <HaikuUser> oh well. i forget my password for my nic.  just trying out haiku.  read an article and it piqued by interest.
[19:56:34] <humdinger> very good. the ieee one?
[19:56:40] <HaikuUser> yeah
[19:56:53] <HaikuUser> have it running in VMware player
[19:57:07] <humdinger> a bit optimistic, but at least it got you here. :)
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[20:02:42] <HaikuUser> well, I'm really interested in the OS.  it seems very interesting based on the ieee article.  i'm a bit disillusioned by linux, and I'm keen on a simpler OS than windows, and one that's not headed in the direction of mac os.
[20:03:43] <humdinger> I understand that. I had to set up a windows 7 computer for my brother recently. Being used to Haiku, it's really quite hard.
[20:03:56] <humdinger> No idea where they hide stuff in all their preferences...
[20:04:04] <humdinger> everything feels huge and clunky.
[20:04:34] <humdinger> I finally found the setting to get rid of the transparent/blurry window titles...
[20:05:03] <HaikuUser> that's what I like about linux: text config files.
[20:05:42] <humdinger> maybe that would be better for win7. In Haiku I know where's what in the the few intersting preference panels.
[20:05:49] <humdinger> I prefer that to config files.
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[20:18:12] <HaikuUser> good chatting.  off to read the development pages.  y'all have a good day.
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[20:18:33] <humdinger> you too
[20:18:36] <humdinger> too late
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[20:28:32] <CIA-37> haiku.master: axeld * hrev44081 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=8e2140f : (log message trimmed)
[20:28:32] <CIA-37> Fixed a large client side memory leak for app_server memory. [2 commits]
[20:28:32] <CIA-37> * The areas allocated for BBitmaps were never deleted, even though the
[20:28:32] <CIA-37> app_server deleted its part when the memory got freed.
[20:28:32] <CIA-37> * This resulted in a constant memory increase if the application in question
[20:28:33] <CIA-37> would operate on many changing large bitmaps, like photos.
[20:28:33] <CIA-37> * Since the bitmaps are reference counted, we don't actually know when to delete
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[21:03:48] <evildaemon> Wheres vim/vi?
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[21:15:48] <yourpalal> evildaemon: on nightlies you have to install it with 'installoptionalpackage -i vim'
[21:16:17] <yourpalal> I think nano is the cli editor bundled on the nighlies
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[21:19:46] <ralf_> whats with the release?
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[21:34:56] <evildaemon> Thanks for that. Is there a list of optional packages?
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[21:37:39] <luroh> evildaemon: installoptionalpackage -l
[21:40:03] <evildaemon> luroh: Awesome. (:
[21:41:07] <mmadia> btw, some nutjob wrote that script  ;)
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[21:43:37] <evildaemon> mmadia: Would it be you?
[21:43:50] <mmadia>  lpe /bin/installoptionalpackage &
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[21:44:08] <mmadia> and yes.
[21:45:22] <evildaemon> mmadia: May I reccomend that you give your script a man page?
[21:45:39] <evildaemon> (Even if the groff is sort of fugly right now.)
[21:46:46] <mmadia> eh. it has a help usage.   iirc, there's been some discussions on what to do regarding man pages.  e.g., include them, provide html versions, ...,
[21:47:53] <evildaemon> mmadia: No, it doesn't. ):
[21:48:14] <evildaemon> I tried man help and info.
[21:48:35] <mmadia> err, i mean  `installoptionalpackage`  or with '-h' will print it.
[21:48:48] <evildaemon> Oh.
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