April 24, 2012 
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April 24, 2012 [00:05:15] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[00:08:06] <arfonzo> hmm... also, why are my queries based on text/x-email type so quick to return results, whereas this one i've added is so slow?[00:12:12] *** Per_Vers has joined #haiku[00:13:09] <Per_Vers> Hello. I read the sad news. Is there anyone who can "fill his shoes" and work on contract?[00:13:20] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:24:51] <Per_Vers> How many developers work on Haiku now?[00:26:09] <mmadia> Per_Vers -- I've been talking with a few people. Most of the freelancers are currently employed. Though, there may be one who's willing and able to claim the contract in a few weeks. (please don't ask for a name).[00:26:49] <mmadia> http://www.ohloh.net/p/haiku can give you a good idea of the code contributors to Haiku.[00:31:51] *** TimKack has quit IRC[00:33:02] <Per_Vers> Thanks.[00:33:28] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:40:51] *** Per_Vers has left #haiku[00:43:35] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:45:01] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[00:49:21] *** Per_Vers has joined #haiku[00:49:23] *** Per_Vers has left #haiku[00:57:16] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:58:12] *** kcj has joined #haiku[01:00:54] <jayrulez> http://n4bb.com/developers-rim-releases-gameplay-1-2-open-source-game-development-framework/ https://github.com/blackberry/GamePlay can we port this to Haiku?[01:01:36] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[01:03:48] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[01:05:56] <Premislaus> jayrulez: this is better http://fifengine.net/ and http://www.unknown-horizons.org/[01:09:31] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[01:10:43] <jayrulez> Premislaus: how so?[01:13:21] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[01:15:56] <Premislaus> this is game creation framework, i like 2d games, You can write games in C + + and python, opengl renderer + sdl, etc.[01:16:02] <Premislaus> for 3D gaming, we need first have in haiku hardware acceleration[01:16:55] <Premislaus> *we first need have[01:21:35] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:21:42] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[01:22:27] <jayrulez> fair enough.[01:22:53] <jayrulez> However, gameplay has support from a "dying" RIM[01:23:01] <jayrulez> is well documented[01:23:02] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[01:23:14] <jayrulez> and seems easier to port[01:23:24] <jayrulez> It should be able to do 2d just fine[01:28:20] *** synchris has quit IRC[01:32:21] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[01:33:18] *** synchris has joined #haiku[01:33:19] *** synchris has joined #haiku[01:34:13] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[01:35:32] *** XenoDuck has left #haiku[01:39:16] <jayrulez> Premislaus: If I am able to solicit help from my friend, then we will try to port GamePlay this summer[01:40:43] <Premislaus> jayrulez great :)[01:41:04] <Premislaus> I'm not saying it's bad[01:42:14] <Premislaus> it's different[01:42:41] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[01:43:38] <jayrulez> Okay. Could you elaborate on "different"?[01:43:54] *** nopper has quit IRC[01:44:58] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:45:47] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:47:06] *** nopper has joined #haiku[01:47:45] <Premislaus> I just used to make other games, for 3D platformers and arcade, and the fife is for isometric RPG and RTS.[01:47:51] <Premislaus> tfu[01:48:54] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[01:49:03] <Premislaus> Gameplay is designed for other games, other type of games[01:50:10] *** diver_ has quit IRC[01:50:10] *** DHowett_ has quit IRC[01:50:27] <Premislaus> for mobile games[01:51:01] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[01:52:58] *** AlexanderS has left #haiku[01:53:49] *** XenoDuck has left #haiku[02:07:25] <jayrulez> gameplay can be used on desktop also[02:07:59] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:08:53] <jayrulez> I'll look into both and others when the time comes though[02:09:15] *** synchris has quit IRC[02:15:50] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[02:19:22] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:21:09] *** synchris has joined #haiku[02:21:10] *** synchris has joined #haiku[02:26:46] *** hamishm has quit IRC[02:42:00] *** paul0 has quit IRC[02:44:52] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[02:58:30] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[03:00:06] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:02:41] *** Flying_Jester has quit IRC[03:08:26] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[03:15:13] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[03:16:45] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[03:19:10] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[03:33:54] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[03:39:13] *** synchris has quit IRC[03:39:45] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[03:47:37] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[03:57:27] *** Arch__ has joined #haiku[04:07:17] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[04:07:33] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[04:17:37] <Skipp_OSX> hi johndrinkwater[04:17:45] <Skipp_OSX> haven't seen you here in a while[04:21:03] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[04:28:07] *** yongcong has quit IRC[04:29:54] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[04:31:59] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:32:31] <HaikuUser> hi, can anyone tell me how to get the source code for ping on haiku?[04:32:47] <HaikuUser> do i need to use git to download the whole source code for haiku then[04:32:59] <HaikuUser> find the ping.c among the other files? thank you![04:37:13] <yongcong> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/bin/network/ping?id=45cf329[04:37:33] <yongcong> the ping.c[04:37:51] <HaikuUser> excellent -- thank you very much! :-)[04:38:12] <yongcong> you're welcome[04:39:40] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[04:41:03] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[04:42:07] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[05:04:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[05:09:24] *** yongcong has quit IRC[05:18:36] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[05:26:20] *** markos_ has quit IRC[05:41:48] *** wry has joined #haiku[05:47:55] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[05:53:46] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44066 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=1f0c9f1 : (log message trimmed)[05:53:46] <CIA-37> Set a tooltip with the application name if hidden.[05:53:46] <CIA-37> If Deskbar is set to hide application names show the application[05:53:46] <CIA-37> name as a tooltip when you hover your mouse over the item.[05:53:46] <CIA-37> * Style fixes.[05:53:46] <CIA-37> * Save CountItems() into a variable outside the loop so that it only[05:53:46] <CIA-37> gets called once (micro-optimization/best-practice).[05:55:42] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, one task down off the list![06:09:30] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[06:16:39] *** wry has quit IRC[06:37:42] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[06:48:27] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[06:55:47] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[06:59:01] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[07:00:13] <MadEchidna> yeah boi[07:07:54] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[07:12:48] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:24:59] <arfonzo> morning all[07:27:38] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:47:07] <arfonzo> is there an active haiku usenet group?[07:47:52] *** chitrus has left #haiku[07:50:52] <arfonzo> hm, also, is there a way to do recurring donations in GBP? I see with Paypal there is a currency conversion fee[07:57:04] *** DaQatz has quit IRC[07:57:49] *** Arch__ has quit IRC[08:00:26] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[08:34:27] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[08:35:26] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[08:48:29] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[08:56:08] *** fhein has quit IRC[09:20:12] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[09:25:56] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[09:48:32] <CIA-37> looncraz-github.compositing: looncraz-github * fe7207954e1107589c440b9181a85a2a4fcc352f :[09:48:32] <CIA-37> CScreenStates verified (well enough for now, anyway) [33 commits][09:48:32] <CIA-37> No changes needed to CScreenStates - seems to work like a charm. Re-oriented towards using it, will be working window events back up the (logical) object stack to assure all is[09:48:32] <CIA-37> well.[09:48:32] <CIA-37> Next temporary draw routine will cycle through every window, in order, in the dirty region and draw them. It will then perform the alpha-mode render. Performance will be sad, but[09:48:32] <CIA-37> it will be required to make further progress.[09:55:59] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[10:01:34] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[10:24:18] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:38:02] <arfonzo> I'm seeing this error in tmux 'make', does anyone know how to fix this? /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc4/tools/gcc-4.6.2-haiku-120121/lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/4.6.2/../../../../i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lresolv[10:38:45] <arfonzo> I've tried messing around with the configure.ac and Makefile to point the #includes to resolv.h without luck.[10:43:50] <diver_> arfonzo: check this out http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/CommonProblems#CommonPortingProblems[11:00:14] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[11:01:25] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[11:03:17] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[11:10:47] <arfonzo> diver_: cool, I have looked it over... no luck. thanks tho[11:19:12] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[11:22:58] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[11:25:27] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[11:37:55] *** diver_ has quit IRC[11:46:19] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[11:53:52] *** brobosti1on has joined #haiku[11:54:05] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[11:59:01] *** yongcong has quit IRC[12:00:00] *** brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon[12:12:00] *** adev has joined #haiku[12:17:10] *** synchris has joined #haiku[12:17:11] *** synchris has joined #haiku[12:29:03] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[12:34:43] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[12:57:15] *** DaQatz has joined #haiku[13:00:15] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[13:06:35] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[13:08:31] *** luko has joined #haiku[13:15:11] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[13:15:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:15:44] *** darren has joined #haiku[13:18:49] <darren> just wondering has anyone attempted to create an embedded / text console only version of haiku?[13:24:44] <OmniMancer> don't think sp[13:24:45] <OmniMancer> so[13:25:03] <OmniMancer> its not meant to run that way[13:25:37] <OmniMancer> AFAIK the only thing resembling that is a program that hosts GDB for when the app server crashes[13:28:01] <darren> thanks - am currently lookign at microkernel / hybrid platforms for another project[13:28:49] <darren> i used to be a be dev (dabbled in a couple of personal projects, nothing commercial) many years ago[13:31:31] <OmniMancer> the GDB host thing is a black on white fullscreen text terminal that I'm not sure if it uses any text modes,[13:31:49] <OmniMancer> AFAIK you can't continue from an app_server crash because the gdb shell ninjas all the input[13:34:28] <darren> ok - i will look into a custom server perhaps - todo list getting longer :-)[13:35:51] <OmniMancer> I don't think you have to run any of the userland to use the kernel[13:36:36] <OmniMancer> but depending on what you want you might want to look at newos which I don't think is developed much anymore but is the kernel project that haiku's kernel was forked from[13:38:58] <darren> thanks - just looking at the feature set now - is a definate possibility[13:39:13] <OmniMancer> what do you want this for?[13:40:23] <darren> a storage project (my thesis)[13:41:58] <OmniMancer> storage project?[13:42:50] <darren> tho, a part of me has also wanted to see BeOS, and now Haiku become widely used, hence, I am entertaining the idea to look at whether any part is suitable.[13:43:10] <darren> distributed storage actually[13:44:28] <darren> although, I have always liked many features (at the low lever) of BFS too :-) and using that as a base for parts of my project[13:49:38] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:53:25] <darren> thanks for your time omnimancer :-)[13:57:00] <OmniMancer> no problem[13:57:28] <OmniMancer> I will note that haiku does not yet have an emphasis on security that is present on server OSes[13:57:56] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[14:00:59] <darren> thanks omnimancer - basically the project will be a "firmware" image, and not a conventional OS (and thus security handled separately).[14:02:07] <OmniMancer> I mean that the code is not checked and evaluated based on security, so its possible that there may be security holes in it that allow exploits and other attacks[14:04:50] <OmniMancer> I'm not saying there are any, I'm just saying there hasn't been to my knowledge any extra effort to ensure there aren't any, so its not guaranteed to be secure[14:07:26] <darren> sure - I woudl never assume 1 way or the other either - I actually used to do code security audits for a living the first 1/2 of last decade, so I am not afraid of getting my hands dirty when and where necessary either :-)[14:07:43] <OmniMancer> :)[14:08:38] <darren> perhaps that may be an opportunity for me to assist with haiku in the future when I have more time on my hands :-)[14:08:56] <darren> but i need to concentrate on my thesis for the time being sorry[14:09:27] <OmniMancer> that is fine :)[14:10:35] <darren> again, thanks for your time tonight (well, it is night for me - east coast australia)[14:26:55] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[14:33:10] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[14:35:29] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[14:37:45] *** ab5tract has joined #haiku[14:41:29] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[14:43:35] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[14:49:29] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:51:29] *** Forca has joined #haiku[14:52:09] *** darren has quit IRC[15:01:30] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[15:05:17] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[15:11:04] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[15:16:45] *** kcj has quit IRC[15:19:55] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[15:19:58] <Premislaus> hi[15:28:52] *** wry has joined #haiku[15:37:02] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[15:44:40] *** luko has quit IRC[15:44:40] *** markos_ has quit IRC[15:48:04] *** luko has joined #haiku[15:50:24] *** luko has quit IRC[15:53:26] *** luko has joined #haiku[16:11:10] *** zhangkaizhao has joined #haiku[16:15:03] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[16:27:08] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:27:14] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[16:38:27] *** Megaf has quit IRC[16:39:19] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[16:40:01] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:43:16] <arfonzo> hi Premislaus[16:43:19] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[16:43:30] <Premislaus> hi arfonzo[16:45:04] <arfonzo> do you know anything about the haiku querying system?[16:46:03] <Premislaus> no, you ask about BFS? http://www.nobius.org/~dbg/practical-file-system-design.pdf[16:46:59] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[16:47:37] <arfonzo> I don't think I'm asking about BFS... directly anyhow. I'm just wondering why one query for emails, runs so much faster than another query, for another mime type, even though both types' attributes are showing in "lsindex"[16:48:12] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[16:48:21] <arfonzo> is it just because all my e-mails are in a single directory while these other files' of the other mime type are spread out all over various drives?[16:49:17] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:00:19] <Premislaus> i dont know[17:00:42] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[17:02:06] <Premislaus> I do not download e-mail,[17:08:53] <Premislaus> just come to me adverts, i not use e-mail,[17:08:55] <Premislaus> Maybe you just ask any developer?[17:13:10] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:14:53] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:16:58] <arfonzo> hm, aye, I'll ask[17:17:54] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[17:22:05] *** dcase has joined #haiku[17:33:36] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[17:39:51] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:43:45] *** luko has quit IRC[17:47:02] *** luko has joined #haiku[17:49:10] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[17:51:32] *** yongcong has quit IRC[18:01:59] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[18:05:10] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[18:05:28] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:12:32] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:14:26] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:15:51] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[18:22:14] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[18:24:21] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:29:38] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:32:21] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[18:51:35] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:55:10] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[18:57:11] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[18:58:06] *** adev has quit IRC[18:59:34] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[19:00:55] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:02:50] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[19:09:28] *** norbert79 has joined #haiku[19:09:35] <norbert79> Good evening[19:14:13] *** zhangkaizhao has quit IRC[19:20:11] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[19:20:32] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[19:21:43] *** idefix_gromit has quit IRC[19:22:00] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:23:38] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:24:16] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[19:30:27] *** zhangkaizhao has joined #haiku[19:30:38] *** fhein has joined #haiku[19:31:54] *** jua_ has quit IRC[19:31:54] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:32:01] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[19:35:38] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[19:36:42] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:37:17] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[19:46:28] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:52:30] *** zhangkaizhao has quit IRC[19:52:38] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[20:16:24] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:22:20] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[20:22:44] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:24:23] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:24:35] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[20:25:57] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[20:34:56] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:41:33] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[20:44:53] *** synchris has quit IRC[20:46:08] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[21:04:08] *** stef has quit IRC[21:06:14] *** stef has joined #haiku[21:10:05] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[21:18:55] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[21:30:50] *** duvjones has quit IRC[21:39:44] *** adb has quit IRC[21:40:35] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[21:43:15] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[21:45:30] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[21:48:16] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:53:25] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[21:54:25] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:57:31] *** hamishm has quit IRC[21:58:14] *** luko has quit IRC[21:58:16] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:03:00] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[22:04:29] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[22:04:55] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:06:38] *** luko has joined #haiku[22:21:52] *** lorglas has quit IRC[22:22:50] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[22:23:35] <Premislaus> http://www.groovypost.com/news/instagram-andorid-depressed-iphone-users/ lol[22:25:39] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:29:20] <mmu_man> http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_s_google_summer_of1[22:32:11] <jayrulez> Premislaus: Are they mentally handicapped?[22:32:52] *** luko has quit IRC[22:33:42] <Premislaus> jayrulez... I have no idea ;).[22:38:18] <mmu_man> looks like[22:38:31] <Premislaus> mmu_man Interesting ... This year's task for the Haiku are nice. Too bad that there are no two additional students for Haiku. Abiword and Web+.[22:39:27] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[22:40:54] *** Zevs_ has joined #haiku[22:41:24] <Premislaus> Mac OS X begins to be like Windows years ago. http://www.cultofmac.com/161822/apple-suffers-more-vulnerabilities-than-google-microsoft-adobe-in-last-quarter/[22:42:06] *** synchris has joined #haiku[22:42:06] *** synchris has joined #haiku[22:42:45] *** norbert79 has quit IRC[22:43:09] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:45:45] <mmu_man> Premislaus: it has just become more apparent[22:49:00] <Premislaus> BTW, if this year's GSOC to be implemented fully ACPI standard?[22:49:45] <Premislaus> On the Polish Wiki writes that only Windows and FreeBSD fully support this standard.[22:49:47] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:55:55] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[22:57:00] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:57:17] <Premislaus> bbl[23:01:19] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[23:01:59] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:02:43] *** fhein has quit IRC[23:04:27] *** sl_ has quit IRC[23:12:50] *** Zevs_ has left #haiku[23:13:33] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[23:19:11] *** sl_ has joined #haiku[23:23:06] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:24:17] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:32:42] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[23:39:07] *** [r4] has quit IRC[23:43:54] *** Luko_atom has joined #haiku[23:43:59] *** Forca has quit IRC[23:48:50] *** synchris has quit IRC[23:51:10] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:54:14] *** markos_ has quit IRC[23:57:31] *** Luko_atom has quit IRC