April 23, 2012 
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April 23, 2012 [00:00:07] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[00:05:12] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:06:52] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[00:14:10] *** geist__ is now known as geist[00:14:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[00:28:49] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:31:05] <Premislaus> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5MDk - fanboy flame in the comments[00:33:52] *** fhein has quit IRC[00:45:06] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:50:57] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:51:18] <Premislaus> http://haikuware.com/remository/view-details/development/language/yab#comment-8803[00:59:19] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:07:10] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[01:16:44] <CIA-37> HaikuPorts: mmu_man * r1873 /haikuports/trunk/app-shells/fish/ (. patches/ patches/fish-1.23.1.patch) http://ports.haiku-files.org/changeset/1873 :[01:16:44] <CIA-37> Add my current patch for the Friendly Interactive Shell <http://fishshell.com/>.[01:16:44] <CIA-37> Doesn't include the needed updated config.guess & friends.[01:16:44] <CIA-37> It fully compiles now but crashes.[01:16:44] <CIA-37> Builds with: ./configure --without-xsel --prefix=/boot/common[01:20:57] <jayrulez> Premislaus: It's good to not hang out with the linux crowd.[01:21:42] <Premislaus> jayrulez that's right[01:23:25] * dreamed loves not hanging out with Linux people[01:23:28] <dreamed> shame I work with them..[01:25:45] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2012-04-22_reallifetm[01:27:53] <jayrulez> The linux zealot is a dangerous specie :|[01:28:56] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:34:58] <dreamed> sure is[01:35:04] <dreamed> I'm still not sure why a couple of them haven't been let go[01:35:25] <dreamed> walking into a project where the time is already spent/billed and significantly changing things because you don't like a flavour of component and MUST have a different one ... that does the same thing[01:35:29] <dreamed> for example[01:35:56] <dreamed> so, costing us money, delaying the project - for no real benefit[01:35:58] <dreamed> just ideology[01:45:37] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[01:53:49] <mmu_man> not as bad as windows zombies or perverted MAChos[01:53:50] <mmu_man> :[01:53:51] <mmu_man> :p[01:55:21] <Premislaus> mmu_man http://applefobia.blox.pl/resource/shitting_pants_ios.jpg ;)[02:00:59] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:01:41] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[02:02:03] <jayrulez> I haven't come across the MAChos. I don't find the Wombies kind of ok, they r everywhere, you just have to learn to live with them[02:02:09] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[02:03:50] <Learnin_Arel> from my understanding, the majority of mac users in IT aren't MAChos, they're old UNIX people who disagree with Linux philosphy though[02:04:05] <Learnin_Arel> ...how long has my nickbeen Learnin_Arel?[02:04:12] *** Learnin_Arel is now known as Winged_Arel[02:13:08] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:19:13] *** hamishm has quit IRC[02:30:59] *** luroh has quit IRC[02:32:22] <mmu_man> Premislaus: lol[02:39:52] *** tuxampol has joined #haiku[02:40:48] <tuxampol> hello[02:42:27] <Premislaus> hi[02:44:30] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:49:08] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[02:57:53] *** tuxampol has quit IRC[03:05:41] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[03:14:56] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:22:15] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[03:28:22] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[03:29:43] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[03:38:22] *** kcj has joined #haiku[03:43:12] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[03:45:13] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:20:45] *** synchris has quit IRC[04:21:19] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[04:24:09] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[04:42:10] <Xeon3D> hi[04:43:27] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[04:45:47] *** geist__ has joined #haiku[04:47:44] *** DHowett_ has joined #haiku[04:52:53] *** geist has quit IRC[04:52:53] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[04:52:53] *** DHowett has quit IRC[04:53:44] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[04:55:57] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[05:23:12] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[05:26:51] *** P4R4N01D1 has joined #haiku[05:27:38] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[05:30:39] *** geist__ is now known as geist[05:31:09] *** geist is now known as Guest34094[05:40:19] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[05:46:56] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44065 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=2ec676a :[05:46:57] <CIA-37> rpi: Add missing uart defines[05:46:57] <CIA-37> * The uart defines need validated.[05:46:57] <CIA-37> * Verified vector base and size defines[05:47:52] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[05:52:10] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[05:52:22] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[06:00:52] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[06:06:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Guest34094[06:06:26] *** Guest34094 is now known as geist[06:10:45] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:18:31] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[06:25:53] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[06:43:49] *** HeTo_ has joined #haiku[06:44:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:44:28] *** HeTo has quit IRC[06:44:31] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[06:50:16] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[06:50:33] *** joejaxx_ has joined #haiku[06:50:58] *** chitrus has joined #haiku[06:53:39] *** stef_ has joined #haiku[06:57:41] *** stef has quit IRC[06:57:41] *** Winged_Arel has quit IRC[06:57:41] *** JuniperJaxx has quit IRC[06:57:41] *** chitrus_ has quit IRC[06:57:41] *** GeekShad1w has quit IRC[06:57:42] *** js has quit IRC[06:57:42] *** FrStm has quit IRC[06:57:42] *** nathanhi has quit IRC[07:05:23] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[07:07:08] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:10:46] *** paul0 has quit IRC[07:11:33] *** joejaxx_ is now known as JuniperJaxx[07:12:41] *** Winged_Arel has joined #haiku[07:14:25] *** js has joined #haiku[07:14:25] *** FrStm has joined #haiku[07:14:25] *** nathanhi has joined #haiku[07:18:19] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:32:33] *** markos_ has quit IRC[07:45:07] *** HeTo_ is now known as HeTo[07:47:11] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[07:47:28] *** arfonzo_ is now known as arfonzo[07:53:00] *** paul0 has quit IRC[07:56:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:57:37] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[08:00:26] *** duvjones has quit IRC[08:11:17] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[08:13:16] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[08:26:11] <arfonzo> hi all, how to search for an indexed bool attribute using Find? I'm trying a formula with "Some:attribute==0" and this does not seem to work[08:33:07] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:40:28] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[08:40:43] *** paul0 has quit IRC[08:49:03] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:21:48] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[09:23:30] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[09:24:22] *** stef_ is now known as stef[09:30:00] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[09:33:58] *** adev_ has joined #haiku[09:33:58] *** adev has joined #haiku[09:38:09] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[09:54:14] *** adev_ has quit IRC[10:40:11] *** fhein has joined #haiku[10:59:14] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[11:20:28] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[11:27:33] *** adev has joined #haiku[11:55:05] *** synchris has joined #haiku[11:55:05] *** synchris has joined #haiku[12:01:32] *** kag_anil has joined #haiku[12:12:48] *** kag_anil has quit IRC[12:16:00] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[12:25:50] *** xplt has joined #haiku[12:26:30] <diver_> arfonzo: maybe you need to use reindex tool? Just a wild guess.[12:26:40] *** diver_ has left #haiku[12:27:43] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[12:28:53] <arfonzo> diver_: aye, I have tried playing with reindex, without luck. I'll try it again after work today. It seems "bool" is not an indexable type, so I've used int, not sure of the repercussions of that.[12:29:02] *** synchris has quit IRC[12:39:34] *** Luko has joined #haiku[12:39:47] *** Luko has quit IRC[12:44:18] <arfonzo> also, it appears that when I open a search for all items of this new MIME type, it takes a really long time and scans through all the drives, each time I open the query[12:44:41] <arfonzo> s/search/query[12:51:08] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[13:28:31] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[13:50:42] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[13:51:03] <Anarchos> hi folks ![14:02:50] *** nighty_ has quit IRC[14:03:20] *** nighty has joined #haiku[14:11:58] *** LjL has quit IRC[14:14:17] *** LjL has joined #haiku[14:15:50] <Anarchos> hi LjL[14:20:26] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[14:32:19] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[14:39:59] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[14:40:06] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[14:40:12] *** Dane_ is now known as Dane__[14:45:33] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[14:47:08] *** yongcong has quit IRC[14:47:23] *** rjg_haiku has joined #haiku[14:48:07] <rjg_haiku> :][14:48:19] <rjg_haiku> successful install on a samsung N110[14:49:31] <rjg_haiku> although the atheros wifi isn't working right which I'm looking into just now (but if anyone has any tips do let me know)[14:51:16] <rjg_haiku> ("ifconfig: Joining network failed: Application could not be found" and no networks show in the UI or with an ifconfig ... scan)[14:53:51] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:54:01] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[14:57:27] *** papasmurf has joined #haiku[14:57:58] *** rjg_haiku has quit IRC[14:59:15] *** rjg has joined #haiku[14:59:22] <rjg> doh[14:59:48] <rjg> looks like the wired network failed after a period of time, perhaps something to do with power mamagement?[15:01:07] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[15:02:12] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[15:02:45] <diver_> rjg: have you installed wpa_supplicant?[15:03:32] <rjg> I've not, but I'm not actually trying to connect to a WPA network at the moment - is that required for general operation?[15:04:09] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:04:22] <diver_> I'm not sure, it's just that "Application could not be found" might be because of it[15:05:18] <diver_> is it A3 or nightly?[15:05:31] <rjg> it's nightly[15:05:38] <diver_> ok[15:09:35] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:10:04] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[15:19:58] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[15:20:25] <rjg> massive spam in the syslog to do with scanning wifi networks http://parkside.rguk.eu/s/screenshot1.png[15:20:54] <rjg> also the marvell yukon wired network connection keeps disconnecting and reconnecting[15:20:55] <diver_> yeah, it's a known issue[15:22:24] *** Luko has joined #haiku[15:23:33] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[15:24:20] *** Forca has joined #haiku[15:25:50] <rjg> right ok[15:26:48] *** P4R4N01D1 has quit IRC[15:29:45] <mmu_man> plop[15:29:56] <mattlacey> plip?[15:34:39] <yongcong> oh yeah..~5hours left[15:35:09] <scgtrp> suspense :|[15:35:34] <yongcong> gsoc accepted projects announce[15:35:47] <scgtrp> i know, i'm waiting for the same thing[15:36:00] <yongcong> :)[15:36:09] <mattlacey> you guys in for Haiku?[15:36:16] <scgtrp> yeah[15:36:19] <yongcong> yep[15:36:25] <mattlacey> nice one[15:36:29] <mattlacey> what have you proposed?[15:36:42] <yongcong> my for cpuidle[15:36:52] <scgtrp> rewriting Pe's editor component and breaking it off into its own thing[15:36:55] <yongcong> for power efficiency[15:37:08] <mattlacey> nice[15:37:14] <mattlacey> both of those sound handy[15:37:37] <mattlacey> got one of my old laptops up and running with a nightly build the other day[15:37:46] <yongcong> my laptop battery life under haiku is shorter than linux[15:37:51] <mattlacey> really want to get on with writing some code but seem to have too much else going on[15:37:55] <mattlacey> wow[15:38:08] <yongcong> I want to improve it[15:38:08] <scgtrp> i wish i could run it outside of vbox[15:38:14] <mattlacey> I've not checked the life of this one, but it's a few years old and running XP it could only manage 45 minutes[15:38:34] <mattlacey> that said it could only run for 3-4 hours when it was brand new, quite a beefy gfx card for the time[15:38:49] <mattlacey> scgtrp: grab an old P3 era machine from eBay or something[15:39:03] <mattlacey> I picked up an old dell for $30 that runs it beautifully[15:39:10] <scgtrp> mattlacey: i have several spare boxes, they may or may not work[15:39:38] <scgtrp> i actually did send in a 1-line acpi patch to get it to boot, now it's just a lack of support for any of my laptop's network hardware[15:39:53] <mattlacey> ah[15:39:55] <yongcong> wow[15:39:58] <yongcong> great[15:40:02] <mattlacey> I've been quite lucky[15:40:15] <mattlacey> I even managed to get WPA working the other day which was sweet[15:41:33] <scgtrp> actually the wired ethernet thing may work, i never tried...[15:41:39] <scgtrp> i'd have to run cables though, effort[15:41:53] <mattlacey> wired has been solid for quite a while[15:41:59] <mattlacey> the FreeBSD layer really helsp[15:42:01] <mattlacey> helps*[15:42:03] <scgtrp> if your hardware is supported, sure[15:44:28] <mattlacey> you guys done much coding for Haiku?[15:44:52] <scgtrp> i did gsoc last year, and a couple of small patches since then[15:44:57] <rjg> I'm still trawling through web pages trying to get my atheros wifi to work[15:45:15] <mattlacey> cool :)[15:45:23] <mattlacey> which was yours last year?[15:45:34] <scgtrp> vbox guest additions[15:45:41] <mattlacey> ah yeah :)[15:45:46] <mattlacey> remember reading your updates[15:46:12] <mattlacey> I've been tracking the project since it started (was a BeOS fan) — but never get much further than playing around from time to time and reading the news[15:46:24] <mattlacey> wrote a screensaver a while back but that's about it :([15:47:22] <mmu_man> scgtrp: btw, VBoxTray doesn't always start here...[15:47:32] <mmu_man> I should probably update my dev VM anyway[15:48:05] <scgtrp> doesn't attempt to start, or crashes or something?[15:48:20] <mmu_man> not sure[15:48:29] <mmu_man> it just doesn't appear in the tray[15:48:35] <scgtrp> i'm pretty sure if it crashed it'd take deskbar with it[15:48:36] <mmu_man> maybe Deskbar forgets about it[15:48:42] <scgtrp> that's my guess[15:48:55] <scgtrp> not sure what'd make that happen though[15:49:10] <mmu_man> anyway my dev vm must be updated[15:50:04] <yongcong> mattlacey: just a few patches related with acpi a few weeks ago[15:50:23] <yongcong> one for amd c1e workaround[15:50:31] <yongcong> one for ARAT detection[15:50:58] <yongcong> one for intel newer processor performance/power adjustment[15:50:59] <mattlacey> cool[15:51:07] <mattlacey> good to see people picking it up[15:51:20] <yongcong> and one for acpi _CST decoding[15:51:25] <mattlacey> seems like things ahve slowed down recently though that may be because I stopped tracking the mailing list[15:51:27] <yongcong> two of them are merged[15:51:52] <yongcong> the last one is still under development[15:52:03] <yongcong> I'm new to haiku driver development[15:52:38] <mattlacey> I've never done anything like driver stuff[15:52:43] <yongcong> so the _CST patch is just to learn how to write driver for haiku and how to call haiku's ACPI api[15:52:46] <mattlacey> but I've been reading lots about hardware design recently[15:52:56] <mattlacey> trying to get myself up to speed on the basics that I've always taken for granted[15:53:19] <yongcong> cool[15:53:48] <mattlacey> would love to have the time to get stuck into helping Haiku properly[15:55:42] <yongcong> just curious, does everyone notice laptop's batter life under haiku ;)[15:55:57] <yongcong> battery[15:59:43] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[16:04:50] <mattlacey> I'll run mine on the battery sometime and see how it goes[16:05:11] <mattlacey> though to be honest, before installing Haiku the other weekend I'd not used it in a year[16:05:20] <mattlacey> I blew away the partition table installing Alpha 3 :)[16:05:23] <mattlacey> or 2[16:05:27] <mattlacey> I forget which[16:05:48] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[16:06:33] <yongcong> :D[16:07:25] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[16:13:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:16:06] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[16:26:16] *** HeTo has quit IRC[16:27:02] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[16:27:16] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[16:30:36] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[16:34:41] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[16:54:40] *** kcj has quit IRC[16:59:05] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[17:19:17] *** yongcong1 has joined #haiku[17:20:47] *** yongcong has quit IRC[17:21:30] *** dcase has joined #haiku[17:22:57] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:23:48] *** XenoDuck has joined #haiku[17:24:05] *** bkc_ has joined #haiku[17:27:24] *** yongcong1 has quit IRC[17:31:36] *** synchris has joined #haiku[17:31:36] *** synchris has joined #haiku[17:33:17] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:34:01] *** bkc_ has left #haiku[17:35:34] *** synchris has quit IRC[17:38:49] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:39:12] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:40:05] <rjg> hm so after many reboots wireless is now suddenly working - except that my access point doesn't show up in the list but many others do[17:41:56] *** Cld has joined #haiku[17:42:14] <humdinger> rjg: Are you using NetworkStatus in the deskbar or ifconfig from Terminal.[17:42:25] <humdinger> The NetworkStatus thing never seemed to work for me...[17:42:28] <rjg> both[17:42:47] <humdinger> For me it just takes a bit long until WLAN is ready.[17:42:56] <humdinger> But after 30-40 sec. it's there.[17:43:15] <rjg> the problem I'm having is that I can see all the neighbour's access points but not mine[17:43:39] <humdinger> Maybe it doesn't send its SSID?[17:43:42] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:43:53] <humdinger> or it sends it in some non-standard way?[17:44:39] <humdinger> I have a "ifconfig" line in my UserBootscript.[17:44:43] <humdinger> Works like a charm.[17:44:44] *** PasNox has quit IRC[17:45:24] *** synchris has joined #haiku[17:45:24] *** synchris has joined #haiku[17:45:43] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[17:45:59] <rjg> broadcast SSID is enabled[17:46:25] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:46:26] <rjg> I've also tried changing the channel, B/G/mixed mode, SSID and security disabled/WEP/WPA/WPA2[17:46:35] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[17:47:23] <humdinger> Does joining "blindly" with ifconfig work?[17:47:39] <luroh> rjg: i have made the same observation here[17:48:01] <rjg> no it gives the "Application could not be found" error which I think translates to the access point couldn't be found[17:48:48] <luroh> nah, that sounds like something else[17:48:49] <humdinger> rjg: really? ifconfig says that?[17:49:15] <rjg> yup[17:49:32] <luroh> do you have wpa_supplicant installed?[17:49:34] <rjg> it doesn't give that error if I specifiy an access point that exist when I do scan[17:49:42] <rjg> and it connects to that network[17:49:47] <humdinger> strange. If I try to join a non-existing network, the GUI-Panel appears...[17:50:05] <rjg> but if I specify a name not in the scan list it will give the "Applcation could not be found" error[17:50:17] <rjg> luroh: I assume so, it's a nightly build[17:50:48] <luroh> it's not included by default, so unless you've added it yourself, then no...[17:51:07] <humdinger> The plot thickens...[17:51:16] <rjg> ok, I found the information around wpa_supplicant not very clear[17:51:20] <luroh> 'installoptionalpackage wpa_supplicant'[17:51:31] <rjg> also, it doesn't explain why it's not showing my non WPA access point in the list[17:51:32] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[17:51:34] <luroh> yeah, docs are pretty foggy[17:51:41] <rjg> but is showing other access points, including ones with WPA[17:52:02] <humdinger> might be some hardware irregularity.[17:52:08] <rjg> perhaps[17:52:19] <rjg> although the netbook connects to it instantly under windows[17:52:59] <luroh> i think installing wpa_supplicant will solve the "application not found" problem[17:53:25] <luroh> otoh, i suspect it won't solve the missing ssid problem[17:53:41] <rjg> it's not an installable package apparently[17:53:54] <luroh> it should be[17:54:17] <rjg> the optional packages listed with -l are abi-compliance-checker and apr[17:54:17] * luroh fires up teh vbox[17:54:31] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[17:54:41] <rjg> (and trying it anyway just results in "Not proceeding with installation"[17:55:08] *** zhangkaizhao has joined #haiku[17:57:18] <humdinger> rjg: stange, it's listed under installed packages for me... though I built the image myself.[17:57:35] <humdinger> Anyway, even if already installed (or seemingly so),[17:57:40] <humdinger> it should re-installable.[17:57:42] *** papasmurf has quit IRC[17:57:46] <rjg> perhaps it's been removed from the nightly builds?[17:57:54] <luroh> (it'll take a couple of minutes here, i need to do a build without wpa_supplicant added from the start)[17:58:06] <humdinger> it's not in the nightly builds.[17:58:11] <rjg> riiight ok[17:58:17] <rjg> boggle[17:58:19] <humdinger> but should always be installable from the optional packages.[17:58:29] <luroh> yup[17:58:31] <rjg> which it unfortunately isn't[17:59:41] <rjg> checked /boot/common/data/optional-packages/InstalledPackages and it's not in there[18:00:17] <humdinger> and installoptionalpackage -l doesn't list it? Strangeness...[18:01:06] <luroh> what revision and gcc flavour are we talking about?[18:01:14] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[18:01:29] <rjg> GCC2 Hybrid[18:01:32] *** markos_ has quit IRC[18:01:40] <rjg> I've deleted the OptionPackageNames file and I'm having it re-generate it now[18:02:02] *** luko has joined #haiku[18:02:07] <rjg> and that makes it see wpa_supplicant[18:02:15] <humdinger> heureka[18:02:17] <rjg> now to see if I can get the wired LAN to work long enough for it to download the file[18:02:38] <rjg> it seems to work for a while before crapping itself and getting in a connect/disconnect loop[18:02:53] <humdinger> evil[18:03:17] <humdinger> bugreport?[18:04:15] <rjg> now it's trying to route out of the wireless adapter, gah[18:04:47] <rjg> ok sorted that I think[18:04:52] * rjg tries again[18:05:34] <luroh> if that fails, you can wget http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/wpa_supplicant-0.7.3-x86-gcc2-2012-04-03.zip[18:05:40] <luroh> and extract to /boot[18:05:56] <rjg> kernel_team is now hogging the CPU since plugging the ethernet cable in[18:06:11] <luroh> sweet, marvell chipset?[18:06:15] <rjg> yup[18:06:23] <luroh> welcome to the club[18:06:44] <humdinger> my other netbook also has a marvell LAN. that works with WLAN...[18:06:58] <humdinger> Maybe reboot without the LAN cable?[18:07:06] <rjg> right I give up, USB stick time[18:07:12] <humdinger> I haven't tried LAN on that netbook for a long time...[18:07:20] <rjg> ha it heard me[18:07:22] <rjg> it's now working[18:07:26] <luroh> (re marvell, you may want to cc yourself to https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8454)[18:07:27] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[18:07:28] <rjg> and it's extracted it[18:08:23] <luroh> good, now you need to reboot[18:08:40] <rjg> of course it's now running very slow generating package names[18:08:55] <rjg> I might just cancel it[18:09:41] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[18:10:29] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[18:11:00] *** Arch__ has joined #haiku[18:11:33] <luroh> i wonder if we could improve the performance of installoptionalpackage by chucking out some of the packages[18:12:09] <luroh> it feels like that thing is O(n^2) or worse...[18:12:11] <rjg> that's fixed the application not found issue[18:12:48] <pulkomandy> luroh: likely worse : it's a bash script parsing jamfiles ![18:13:05] <rjg> although it's not helped me see my network[18:13:08] <pulkomandy> rather spend time on the actual package manager[18:13:23] *** adev has quit IRC[18:15:11] <luroh> removing some packages from installoptionalpackage, i could probably do, if my life depended on it[18:15:33] <luroh> hacking on a package manager otoh... nope[18:16:45] <pulkomandy> as I said, IOP just parses the jamfiles, so it would mean to remove package for people building haiku themselves as well[18:17:17] <pulkomandy> ok, there are some candidates for this, but I don't think there are that much[18:17:49] <rjg> I'm going to plug the lan cable in again to install webpositive, anything else I should be installing?[18:18:34] <humdinger> rjg: maybe WonderBrush[18:18:52] <pulkomandy> depends what you want to do[18:19:14] <rjg> as much as I can, to try it out :)[18:19:25] <pulkomandy> ok, so, install everything ? ;)[18:19:42] <rjg> I'm also going to install libmodplug and maybe libmikmod but I've not looked into whether there's any module players to use them...[18:19:53] <pulkomandy> SDL libs if you plan to have some games[18:20:01] <pulkomandy> I don't think so[18:20:02] <humdinger> I'd say ArmyKnife, BePDF, BeZillaBrowser, Clockwerk, Paladin then[18:20:23] <pulkomandy> if you want to play modules install APlayer, but it comes with its own mikmod and it's not an optional package (yet)[18:20:30] <luroh> pulkomandy: i know there's some logic to filter out some of the packages already, but you're right, we shouldn't waste much time on it. we could have a look at removing some if/when we need to add more (and pkg manager hasn't arrived yet)[18:21:00] <pulkomandy> luroh: the more we improve IOP, the less people are motivated for the actual thing :)[18:22:04] <luroh> i suppose that's true to some extent[18:22:41] *** Tzibu_ has joined #haiku[18:23:08] <luko> sdllibs automaticaly install libmikmod and other needed libs[18:23:19] *** Tzibu has quit IRC[18:24:02] <rjg> the marvell is doing a lot of flapping and not a lot of downloading at the moment[18:25:23] <rjg> whoops it got itself in a twist and now I have to delete some zip files[18:25:51] <humdinger> your hardware sucks. :)[18:26:33] <rjg> yes[18:27:02] <rjg> even under windows it's all very software controlled[18:27:21] <rjg> I hate things like the HD audio headphone socket having a delay cutting the speakers off because it does it in software[18:28:23] <pulkomandy> how amazing[18:28:50] <rjg> where does installoptionalpackage download the zip files to?[18:29:05] <pulkomandy> likely somewhere in boot/commo,n/cache ?[18:29:21] <rjg> got it thanks[18:30:36] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[18:31:27] <rjg> aaand now to reboot again because the network adaptor has broken again[18:31:33] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[18:33:52] <luroh> speaking of wpa_supplicant, wouldn't it be a good idea to just remove the "save password" stuff and include it by default in the nightlies (and upcoming a4)?[18:35:09] <luroh> it's been sitting on the bench for so long i can't really remember any discussion about why it is not included[18:35:20] <pulkomandy> we didn't expect mmlr's problems :/[18:36:21] <luroh> sure. do you think he'd mind if we made that small adjustment ant threw it in there?[18:36:29] <luroh> and*[18:37:40] <luroh> it should be his call since it's his baby, but considering the circumstances, perhaps we should just do it[18:38:20] <humdinger> wpa_supplicant is a must for alpha4 IMO. It's one of the reasons to have another alpha in the first place...[18:39:16] <luroh> if it helps, you could blame me for bitching about it[18:39:35] <rjg> http://parkside.rguk.eu/s/marvell.png can see the irregular downloading happening due to the marvell adapter issues[18:39:42] <rjg> it is getting there though[18:39:42] *** wry has joined #haiku[18:40:32] <luroh> rjg: are you seeing insane ping times to the next node as well?[18:41:18] <rjg> I've not tried that, I'll do it after this[18:42:29] <luroh> rjg: oh btw, you can decrease the priority of your msk_something thread[18:43:27] <luroh> it won't do any good for your network speed but it'll help with the cpu hogging[18:43:54] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:44:47] *** HeTo has quit IRC[18:44:53] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[18:45:31] *** synchris has quit IRC[18:46:16] <rjg> luroh: yeah 915ms to the router on the LAN[18:46:50] <luroh> right[18:54:04] *** synchris has joined #haiku[18:58:18] *** papasmurf has joined #haiku[18:58:57] <rjg> amyone got any tips regarding the audio preferences, such as the sample rate conversion type and the checkboxes to allow input/output rate changes?[19:01:25] *** papasmurf has quit IRC[19:02:39] *** lorglas has quit IRC[19:04:30] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[19:04:50] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[19:11:14] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:13:42] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:29:41] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:30:37] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[19:31:23] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[19:31:34] *** juaa_ has quit IRC[19:42:11] <luroh> humdinger: with a recent rev, are you able to open Welcome or User Guide by double clicking on them?[19:42:11] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[19:43:34] <luroh> here, i get a short burst of cpu activity followed by nothing at all[19:49:55] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:50:45] *** zhangkaizhao has quit IRC[19:51:59] <humdinger> luroh: I haven't tried it for some time. I think it always has a default text-icon instead of html. But removing those icons from the Desktop is usually the first thing I do...[19:52:23] <luroh> heh, i see[19:52:40] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:52:59] <Skipp_OSX> luroh, I am not, it looks for a web browser, doesn't find one, gives up[19:53:13] <Skipp_OSX> Of course on release you'll have Web+ so it doesn't seem like a big deal to me.[19:53:40] <luroh> yeah, maybe it works with gcc2h or gcc4. i'm on gcc2 here - perhaps BeZilla doesn't count any more :p[19:54:28] <luroh> isn't it strange though that StyleEdit seems to be its default 'Open with...' app?[19:54:46] <Skipp_OSX> luroh, well, more like BeZilla is not registering the html mime type[19:55:13] <luroh> that would explain it[19:55:35] <Skipp_OSX> luroh, go to Preferences->Filetypes, find html, register BeZilla as the hander for html, it should then open those files in BeZilla, and it will show up in the right click menu[19:56:24] <luroh> will try[19:58:29] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[19:58:57] <rjg> in the pub on wifi[19:59:06] <rjg> works much better than the LAN[19:59:38] <luko> i like Bezilla becouse, bezilla can preview a transmission web page[19:59:48] <rjg> how can I sent alt in the terminal? I'm trying to swtich windows in irssi over ssh[20:00:31] <luko> webpositive have problem to display and add torrents to transmisision[20:01:08] <Skipp_OSX> rjg: um, well, that is a good question, what is the irssi key sequence you are trying to use?[20:01:40] *** augiedoggie has joined #haiku[20:02:33] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:03:26] <augiedoggie> rjg: use the escape key[20:06:35] <rjg> ah yes I should have rememvbered that from connecting from OS X before[20:07:33] *** Arch__ has quit IRC[20:08:09] <rjg> there are some display issues with irssi, but I suspect they're known about[20:09:25] <augiedoggie> I have issues with many apps when they try to use 256 color support[20:09:37] <augiedoggie> weechat, emacs, etc...[20:09:44] <luroh> Skipp_OSX: turned out i didn't have the Welcome package installed... although I have the two icons on the desktop, Welcome and User Guide. shouldn't those two come with the package?[20:10:02] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[20:10:15] <arfonzo> augiedoggie, rjg, I'm working on some fixes to Terminal which I hope to submit as a patch, soon.[20:10:18] <Skipp_OSX> luroh, I think they are installed by default, I don't know if they come back when you install the Welcome package[20:10:19] <arfonzo> sec[20:10:30] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[20:10:33] <augiedoggie> luroh: iirc, they are scripts that redirect to the haiku website when those packages aren't installed[20:10:43] <luroh> oh[20:11:26] * luroh stops messing with all this unimportant stuff[20:11:50] <arfonzo> Here is a testing binary, it does BG/FG colours properly in irssi, and ANSI (16 colours) http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/utilities/command-line-shell/fonzoterm-004[20:12:14] <arfonzo> ansi, not fully supported. But I can use irssi (looks proper), and connect to my ANSI BBS[20:13:43] <rjg> http://parkside.rguk.eu/s/issue.png[20:13:54] <rjg> happens on the input area too[20:14:28] <arfonzo> rjg: yeah, check FonzoTerm.[20:14:35] <rjg> ok[20:14:55] <arfonzo> you still need to use ESC-#, tho. :)[20:16:59] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:17:23] <rjg> that's fine[20:19:06] *** kag_anil has joined #haiku[20:25:59] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[20:26:46] <rjg> much bet... oh wait no it still has the issue :P[20:26:57] <rjg> ah well[20:27:35] <Skipp_OSX> arfonzo, would be nice to have that kind of thing built into terminal at some point, once the bugs are worked out and the such[20:27:42] <augiedoggie> if you can force it into a low color mode it'll probably behave better[20:29:05] <arfonzo> Skipp_OSX: agreed, this is my original intent. I'm just new to this all, and don't quite trust my coding skill well enough to feel confortable doing this at the moment. I'd also like to improve more of the ANSI rendering, first.[20:30:09] <rjg> any way to disable anti aliasing per application? AA in a terminal is horrid[20:30:31] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:30:49] <Skipp_OSX> rjg: not per app, but I believe you can set the min font size in Appearance.[20:32:03] <rjg> ok[20:32:40] <arfonzo> rjg: included in fonzoterm is DOSEGA.ttf, try that one.[20:32:57] <rjg> yeah I'm using hthat[20:33:45] <rjg> personally I'd like to be able to disable anti aliasing completely, but I know how ugly it would look without proper hinting[20:34:18] <arfonzo> I don't think DOSEGA aliases, at least not at 100% zoom. Anything else, yes.[20:34:25] <arfonzo> (size 16, for DOSEGA)[20:35:14] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:35:19] <rjg> it's doing a bit but yes 16 is better[20:35:31] <rjg> but unfortunately massive on this netbook display[20:35:58] *** kag_anil has quit IRC[20:36:35] <arfonzo> rjg: ok, try the default, defa vu sans mono. There is no aliasing on this at a smaller font size, for me.[20:36:39] <arfonzo> deva[20:36:45] <arfonzo> erk, DEJA! heh[20:37:15] <rjg> yeah that'll do[20:38:25] *** Cld has quit IRC[20:38:37] *** Cld has joined #haiku[20:38:46] *** alexandros_c has quit IRC[20:40:11] *** augiedoggie has left #haiku[20:41:27] <rjg> noo the snow won't stop[20:42:35] <rjg> found it[20:46:56] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[20:49:03] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:49:23] *** xplt has quit IRC[20:51:13] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[20:53:17] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[20:55:03] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[20:55:47] *** synchris has quit IRC[20:59:19] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[20:59:23] *** synchris has joined #haiku[20:59:23] *** synchris has joined #haiku[21:03:52] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[21:10:09] *** jstressman has left #haiku[21:12:30] *** abhiin1947 has joined #haiku[21:14:44] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[21:21:46] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[21:34:19] *** TimKack has quit IRC[21:35:27] *** paul0_ has joined #haiku[21:35:28] *** paul0 has quit IRC[21:35:29] *** paul0_ is now known as paul0[21:37:41] *** jstressman has quit IRC[21:39:28] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:44:37] *** synchris has quit IRC[21:45:06] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[21:48:41] *** plankton1zer is now known as planktonizer[21:50:58] *** wry has quit IRC[21:52:29] *** fhein has joined #haiku[21:53:20] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[21:54:10] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[22:00:15] *** Abhi_ has joined #haiku[22:02:45] <abhiin1947> hey, i my proposal wasnt selected but i can still do the project for haiku right?[22:03:01] <Skipp_OSX> abhiin1947, absolutely[22:03:09] <abhiin1947> i wanted to know who my mentor would have been just in case i did get selected[22:03:55] <abhiin1947> so i'll have a person to refer to[22:04:14] <Skipp_OSX> abhiin1947, which project was yours?[22:04:30] <abhiin1947> its was implementing tortoisegit on haiku[22:04:51] <abhiin1947> and also i wanted to know what was wrong with my proposal so i can improve on it next year[22:05:01] *** synchris has joined #haiku[22:05:01] *** synchris has joined #haiku[22:05:11] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[22:05:15] <abhiin1947> s/its/it[22:05:30] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[22:06:38] <Dane_> This is probably a mindless question because the answer seems kind of obvious, but I 'm interested in peoples' opinions in case I'm thinking about it wrong. Does every program that's left running consume additional electricy because it is using the CPU?[22:07:07] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[22:07:36] <tqh> Dane_, only if they are doing something, but most programs tend to do at least a little even when idle.[22:08:01] <Dane_> tqh Sounds about right, ok thanks.[22:08:03] <Skipp_OSX> Dane_, well, not necessarily, if a program is running but idle it's memory is copied to virtual memory and mostly doesn't consume any resources.[22:08:11] <Dane_> k[22:08:26] <tqh> if there is almost no cpu usage it's not much though.[22:09:01] <Skipp_OSX> you can see exactly how much CPU an app is using by looking at Activity Monitor in Deskbar[22:09:27] <Dane_> So the concensus is "a little"[22:09:54] <Dane_> Probably also true of daemons that are constantly monitoring the system[22:10:02] <Dane_> The fewer running, the less power used.[22:11:04] <pulkomandy> Haiku isn't too power efficient, the computer never gets to completely sleep[22:11:30] <pulkomandy> but we do have some ways to make the cpu cool downwhen there's nothing to do, so yes, it decreases power use a little[22:11:38] <Skipp_OSX> abhiin1947, I'm not sure how much I can say publicly, you could ask on the dev mailing list and see.[22:12:16] <pulkomandy> abhiin1947: we did not assign mentors to the non-selected projects, however, feel free to use the regular channels to contact the developpers (here and on the mailing lists)[22:12:42] <abhiin1947> Skipp_OSX, thats ok, thats for all the information :)[22:13:02] <tqh> one of this years gsoc projects is for cpu idle support.[22:13:06] <abhiin1947> sure[22:13:06] <pulkomandy> as for the proposal, there was not enough technical details on Tracker internals and how to deal with the work to do[22:13:41] <pulkomandy> it looks like the proposal was just some copypaste from TortoiseGIT menus and not enough code-oriented[22:14:10] <pulkomandy> anyway, maybe you can ask other students (the selected ones) if they want to show you their proposals as well[22:14:24] <pulkomandy> I don't know if I still have mine from 2009...[22:14:34] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, ya sure, i will[22:15:01] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, thanks a lot for the comments :)[22:15:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:15:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:16:08] <mmadia> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2012/accepted-students[22:16:28] <pulkomandy> btw, if you work on this during the summer/year anyway, you get higher chances of being selected next time - both because we'll know you and because you'll know more about the codebase[22:17:55] <abhiin1947> ya that i realized[22:18:25] <abhiin1947> and this wa i will have no time restrictions[22:18:30] <abhiin1947> s/wa/way[22:18:45] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[22:19:14] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[22:20:38] <pulkomandy> abhiin1947: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2009/pulkomandy/1 should be public now. does it work ?[22:21:10] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, ya thanks[22:22:23] <pulkomandy> note: this idea was not part of the ideas list, it was entirely mine[22:24:23] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, i thought of a remote repository tool when i came across implement tortoisegit on the ideas page[22:24:37] <abhiin1947> guess i should have changed it[22:25:16] <pulkomandy> we should make it more clear that ideas not in the list are welcome - they make for fresh ideas in the project[22:25:23] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:25:52] <abhiin1947> ya this was my first time,so i dint thought it would be the same[22:26:45] <abhiin1947> s/so i dint thought it would be the same/so i thought it would be the same[22:27:40] <pulkomandy> I failed my first try in 2008 as well - and now I'm a GSoC mentor, so nothing is lost :)[22:29:55] <abhiin1947> lol yeah I saw that[22:30:05] <abhiin1947> I liked the idea so nothing is stopping me implementing it now :)[22:30:39] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:31:14] <abhiin1947> thanks for the help pulkomandy[22:35:01] *** alexandros_c has joined #haiku[22:37:42] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:38:05] *** dcase has quit IRC[22:38:55] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[22:43:12] *** [r4] has quit IRC[22:50:12] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:52:33] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[22:56:16] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[23:00:58] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[23:01:07] <Premislaus> hi[23:02:01] *** abhiin1947 has quit IRC[23:11:14] <Skipp_OSX> hello[23:11:29] *** luko has quit IRC[23:14:58] *** duvjones has quit IRC[23:16:23] *** luko has joined #haiku[23:19:17] *** luko has quit IRC[23:19:31] *** Forca has quit IRC[23:21:43] *** luko has joined #haiku[23:29:46] *** luko has quit IRC[23:31:49] <arfonzo> evening all[23:36:00] <jayrulez> good evening[23:36:37] <dreamed> morning[23:37:41] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[23:37:44] <arfonzo> I've got an attribute in my index which shows in lsindex, "Task:complete", which is a bool. My Query is: ((BEOS:TYPE=="text/arfonzo-task")&&(Task:complete==0))[23:37:50] <Premislaus> good night ;)[23:38:23] <arfonzo> however this doesn't seem to show anything, I know I've got a few "false" values for these attributes in various files througout the disks, any ideas?[23:38:30] <arfonzo> night Premislaus :)[23:40:53] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[23:42:08] *** Flying_Jester has joined #haiku[23:47:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:53:16] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku