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[00:15:32] <saf> hi all
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[01:11:32] <SMCollins> hello
[01:11:41] <nyRednek> hi
[01:12:20] <wry> Yo.
[01:12:44] <nyRednek> question, do you guys typically install on real hardware or do you use it in a vm?
[01:13:16] <nyRednek> if on real hardware, does haiku typically support most wifi cards?(uses linux)
[01:13:22] <SMCollins> real hardware here
[01:14:04] <nyRednek> i'm looking for something to replace windows in first partition
[01:14:08] <Premislaus> real hardware for me
[01:14:31] <nyRednek> it doesn't have to work like windows, btw, but want something that will typically work with little fuss and keep me interested
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[01:14:45] <Premislaus> The first partition is always the smallest ;)
[01:15:04] <Premislaus> for OS
[01:15:21] <nyRednek> Premislaus: well, this first partition is about 100 gigs
[01:16:20] <Premislaus> My partition has 30 gigabytes.
[01:16:49] <nyRednek> Premislaus: does it typically support most wifi out of box?
[01:17:31] <Premislaus> For some it is. For me... not :/
[01:17:34] <SMCollins> nyRednek: it supports wifi for which it has drivers and firmware
[01:18:19] <nyRednek> SMCollins: ok, close enough to give it a shot
[01:18:42] <Skipp_OSX> which as I understand it, the drivers come from FreeBSD, so if your wifi driver is there, Haiku probably has it.
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[01:19:26] <SMCollins> theres  few dirvers that are buggy however
[01:20:24] <Premislaus> Ralink
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[01:26:39] <nyRednek> i'm using a realtek rtl8187se
[01:26:54] <nyRednek> appears that freebsd users are having issues with it
[01:27:57] <nyRednek> so haiku uses freebsd kernel or similar?
[01:28:11] <Skipp_OSX> nyRednek, no, just the drivers
[01:28:17] <nyRednek> Skipp_OSX: oh, ok
[01:28:23] <nyRednek> well, it's worth a shot
[01:28:41] <Premislaus> Haiku has its own kernel.
[01:28:46] <Premislaus> NewOS
[01:29:02] <Premislaus> http://newos.org/
[01:30:00] <nyRednek> ok
[01:30:41] <Premislaus> Only compatibility layer with FreeBSD for network drivers.
[01:32:22] <nyRednek> ok...
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[01:39:32] <nyRednek> any ndiswrapper/ndisgen for haiku?
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[01:46:00] <Premislaus> no
[01:46:47] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44059 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=71d4eb5 : kernel: Initial platform memory defines for Raspberry Pi
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[01:55:50] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44060 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=4cbccbb :
[01:55:50] <CIA-37> rpi: Add updated firmware from Rasp. Pi. foundation
[01:55:50] <CIA-37> * Update 4/18/2012
[01:55:50] <CIA-37> * Commit 47123009e
[01:55:50] <CIA-37> * Add missing start.elf
[02:05:35] <mmu_man> ^^ doesn't look like an ELF file to me
[02:07:29] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44061 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=b88e2fc :
[02:07:29] <CIA-37> rpi: Remove start.elf
[02:07:29] <CIA-37> * Was an oops on my part, start.elf is actually one
[02:07:29] <CIA-37> of the arm*_start.elf files.
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[09:02:19] <art> good morning, friends
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[09:52:54] <arfonzo> guys, anyway to get 4-buttom mouse support easily, at the moment?
[09:57:51] <OmniMancer> in what way do you mean "support"
[09:58:24] <arfonzo> in a way that I can click mouse button 4, and define what it does (i.e., copy, paste, pop up context menu)
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[10:14:32] <OmniMancer> not sure
[10:14:53] <OmniMancer> I suspect that the OS is possibly capable of telling the button was pressed
[10:15:08] <OmniMancer> but I am not sure if there is any way to bind any action to it.
[10:15:50] <arfonzo> cool, fair enough.. i'll test out getting MB4 "recognized" first, when I have some time. Thanks. It's nothing urgent, I was just wondering if I was missing something apart from mouse preflet
[10:16:27] <OmniMancer> is it a USB mouse?
[10:16:46] <arfonzo> it is, but I'm using it via virtualbox
[10:16:58] <arfonzo> i'd have to check how it's showing up in haiku
[10:17:57] <OmniMancer> hmmm
[10:18:10] <OmniMancer> not sure of Vbox would forward the extra buttons
[10:27:07] <arfonzo> hm, not seeing a "mouse" device explicitly listed in listusb or listdev, will need to look more closely later after work today.
[10:27:51] <OmniMancer> I think VBox does a ps2 mouse emulation
[10:28:21] <OmniMancer> and something else for things that have vbox additions
[10:30:40] <arfonzo> yeah, i'm using additions, it does have a driver for mouse IIRC...
[10:31:34] <diver_> scgtrp should know then
[10:31:43] <scgtrp> ?
[10:32:18] <scgtrp> i'm not sure, my fanciest mouse only has 3 buttons
[10:32:40] <arfonzo> scgtrp: where can I "see" the device, via any of the list* commands?
[10:32:43] <scgtrp> the mouse driver in the additions is just for integration, i don't think it does anything special for buttons
[10:32:48] <OmniMancer> scgtrp: virtual box, does it have a different interface for the guest additions mouse?
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[10:34:14] <scgtrp> iirc the mouse messages do arrive in a different way when MPI is enabled
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[10:34:22] <scgtrp> i'd have to go look at the code again, i've forgotten some of this
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[10:38:00] <arfonzo> scgtrp: no worries, it's nothing critical or urgent. I was just wondering.
[10:38:53] <OmniMancer> hmmk
[10:39:10] <OmniMancer> I don't think you will be able to use the extra buttons in VBox
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[15:58:15] <mmu_man> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/pcs/2012/04/16/raspberry-pi-review/1
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[16:06:05] <arfonzo> hey guys, does anyone know where to look regarding changing behavior of text encoding in Terminal? Such as... yeah, you guess it.. IBM437... heh
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[16:53:58] <diver_> arfonzo: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/search?q=IBM437
[16:54:57] <arfonzo> diver_: yeah, I have done an equivalent grep -r :) however none of these look too promising
[16:55:25] <arfonzo> i took a brief look into textencoding/character-sets
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[16:56:48] <diver_> arfonzo: oh and http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=hrev43252
[16:58:55] <arfonzo> hm, what is the relevance of this commit?
[17:01:03] <diver_> * Private list of supported encodings (Encoding.cpp) was replaced by
[17:01:03] <diver_>   using BPrivate::BCharacterSetRoster functionality. That allows to
[17:01:03] <diver_>   use centralized info about encodings in unified with other
[17:01:03] <diver_>   applications (Mail & StyledEdit for example) way. Most of currently
[17:01:03] <diver_>   enumerated in UTF8.h encodings now available in Terminal.
[17:01:03] <diver_>   Note that UCS-2 and UTF-16 are temporary (???) excluded from the
[17:01:03] <diver_>   list of encodings supported by Terminal.
[17:01:43] <diver_> I thought that it might be related to what you need
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[17:02:50] <arfonzo> hm, thanks, it might be. I'll look over the weekend if I have a chance
[17:03:03] <arfonzo> perhaps I do need to look into UTF8.h
[17:11:24] <mmu_man> possibly you just need to add the definition there and the code to use it from ICU
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[17:13:46] <arfonzo> what's ICU?
[17:20:54] <mmu_man> it's a huge lib from IBM which is used to implement encoding conversion
[17:21:58] <arfonzo> I "just" want to alter what is sent when the user presses arrows with IBM437 text encoding, is this the way?
[17:25:00] <mmu_man> oh you just want to use B_MS_DOS_CONVERSION ?
[17:25:11] <mmu_man> I guess you just need to re-add it to Terminal then
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[17:27:47] <mmu_man> actually it seems terminal still has some code to support it
[17:28:05] <mmu_man> src/apps/terminal/TermParse.cpp
[17:28:25] <arfonzo> yeah, this is what I've been making modifications mostly to.
[17:28:48] <mmu_man> it's there already it seems
[17:28:54] <mmu_man> it's just not in the settings menu
[17:29:12] <arfonzo> However, after changing the define for UP_ARROW_KEY_CODE in VTkeymap, for example, it's messed up arrows on other encodings, which I don't want these defines to apply to.
[17:29:33] <arfonzo> yeah, I've seen this also... not sure if it's just settings or there is actual code behind it.
[17:30:29] <mmu_man> TermWindow::_MakeEncodingMenu()
[17:30:44] <mmu_man> seems it enumerates them
[17:31:13] <mmu_man> you'll want to ask pulkomandy
[17:31:19] <mmu_man> he worked on the locale stuff
[17:33:33] <arfonzo> cool, I chatted with him about this stuff in general before, I'll ask him.
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[18:02:20] <arfonzo> what app can I use to crop and edit a PNG?
[18:03:16] <diver_> WonderBrush
[18:03:37] <arfonzo> cool, thanks diver_
[18:04:19] <diver_> I find it very difficult to use myself, though.
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[18:06:54] * mmu_man runs git gc
[18:07:07] <mmu_man> diver_: it's not really designed for this
[18:07:36] <mmu_man> if only cropping, ShowImage might still be able to make a selection and drop it on the desktop
[18:08:03] * mmu_man runs git gc --aggressive
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[18:08:32] <diver_> I thought Axel removed this functionality quite some time ago
[18:09:36] <diver_> which is very unfortunate
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[18:10:46] <arfonzo> mmu_man: how with ShowImage?
[18:11:01] <arfonzo> I've just done it with wonderbrush, but it was awkward. an easier way would be cool
[18:11:01] <mmu_man> diver_: yeah I recall lot of trolling about this
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[18:16:42] <arfonzo> hm, guys, do you think I should start a ticket or continue an existing one for this: Testing terminal output of file http://poorcoding.com/art/pub/test.ans   , it should look like this: http://poorcoding.com/art/pub/test-correct-output.png
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[18:18:02] <arfonzo> it's outputting in haiku, like this: http://poorcoding.com/art/pub/test-haiku-output.png   (left = default terminal, right = I've done some changes to terminal code, but same issue exists)
[18:19:16] <Anarchos> arfonzo did you try to do export TERM=xterm-color ?
[18:20:17] <arfonzo> yes
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[18:27:31] <mmu_man> arfonzo: again, as pulkomandy said, the "brighter/bold" attribute just does what is said, either brighter or bold
[18:27:40] <mmu_man> well, actually it doesn't look really any bolder though
[18:27:56] <mmu_man> used to work I think
[18:28:42] <pulkomandy> yes, looks like something got groken there, should be bold
[18:29:08] <pulkomandy> are you sure about : 1) the sourcecode being used (no leftover patches) and 2) the font ? can it do bold ?
[18:29:42] <arfonzo> the font can do bold, I've disabled bolding on the font, to try to make it bright instead.
[18:30:10] <arfonzo> however, when BG is a colour, the FG is bright colour, it doesn't seem to work as expected
[18:30:18] <humdinger> selecting and saving via drag&drop still works with ShowImage BTW.
[18:30:32] <humdinger> Croping in Wonderbrush is perfectly easy OTOH...
[18:30:56] <humdinger> and pixel perfect
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[18:37:45] <arfonzo> humdinger: still trying to work out how to select screen region and save using ShowImage
[18:37:48] <arfonzo> ! heh
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[18:38:24] <humdinger> arfonzo: Either enter "Selection mode" or drag& while holding CTRL
[18:38:43] <humdinger> Then drag&drop the selection with tthe right mouse button to choose the format.
[18:39:08] <humdinger> (selection mode = icon to the right to the slide show icon)
[18:40:21] <Anarchos> i am looking for fontconfig-config, where can i find a good part of libfontconfig ?
[18:40:40] <arfonzo> hm... when I run 'ShowImage', an Open dialogue pops up
[18:40:59] <humdinger> asking for the image to open?
[18:41:03] <humdinger> :)
[18:41:19] <arfonzo> oh, sorry, i wanted to select a screen region
[18:41:30] <humdinger> ah.
[18:41:32] <arfonzo> so I still need to take a screenshot first
[18:41:33] <arfonzo> gotcha
[18:41:50] <humdinger> Screenshot only allows for full-screen or the active window.
[18:42:20] <arfonzo> aye, that's what I Was hoping I could get around, usually i tend to take "screen snippets"
[18:42:50] <arfonzo> like Windows' "Snipping Tool", i suppose.
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[18:43:30] <humdinger> The cropping function in WonderBrush works perfectly for me.
[18:43:59] <humdinger> What's missing is for WonderBrush to open a new canvas with the dimensions of what's in the clipboard.
[18:44:03] <arfonzo> yep, that's what I did earlier. Not what I was used to, but it worked :)
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[18:45:55] <pulkomandy> arfonzo: I suppose you used the FGCOLORED and BGCOLORED macros to set the color ? can you share this part of the code ?
[18:46:58] <arfonzo> sure I can, sec let me find the source
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[18:47:19] <arfonzo> http://poorcoding.com/art/pub/haiku/FonzoTerm-0.0.3-src.zip
[18:49:47] <arfonzo> pulkomandy: i have used FORECOLORED
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[18:52:54] <pulkomandy> case 21/22 will not work this way
[18:53:13] <pulkomandy> you want fAttr &= ~FORECOLORED(8) instead
[18:54:11] <pulkomandy> also, when changing color (cases 30 to 37) you need to keep that bit
[18:54:55] <arfonzo> ok, sorry, I really don't know what i'm doing :/ but that makes sense... in case 22, what does "fAttr |= FORESET;" do?
[18:55:10] <pulkomandy> it tells terminal that an explicit color is set I think
[18:55:35] <pulkomandy> in Haiku's terminal there is a "default" color which you can change in the preferences, and it is not the same as color 0
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[18:56:03] <arfonzo> pulkomandy: is case 1 ok?
[18:56:22] <pulkomandy> yes
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[18:57:23] <pulkomandy> in case 30-37, instead of fAttr &= ~FORECOLOR, do fAttr &= ~FORECOLORED(8) (this will remove only the color, and keep the bold/bright state)
[18:57:33] <pulkomandy> then proced with readding the new color
[18:58:08] <pulkomandy> (same for case 38, but that's not ANSI)
[18:58:20] <arfonzo> what about cases 40-47?
[18:58:39] <pulkomandy> these are for the background, is there such thing as a bright background ?
[18:58:51] <arfonzo> erm, not as supported by ANSI
[18:59:02] <pulkomandy> ok, so no need to change these
[18:59:06] <arfonzo> i think that's "ICE", mostly used in ansi artwork
[18:59:11] <arfonzo> ok, i'l'l note that, thanks
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[18:59:46] <pulkomandy> you'd need to do just the same with BGCOLORED anyway, if you figure out how it's meant to be enabled
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[19:01:06] <pulkomandy> maybe you have to take care of 7 and 27 as well, not sure what they do with bright + colors
[19:01:17] <arfonzo> ok, this build is closer, however all the foreground colours have been stripped... however, I think it should have kept the colour, but made the FG bright
[19:02:08] <arfonzo> (so in the test I previously showed, all the ones with a background colour, the foreground text is "plain white" instead of what they should be
[19:04:24] <pulkomandy> mh, can you paste just that file with your changes to http://paste.debian.net or similar ?
[19:04:37] <pulkomandy> (no need for the full source :))
[19:04:53] <arfonzo> yep, cool.
[19:06:22] <arfonzo> http://pastebin.com/riub75qu
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[19:12:14] <arfonzo> you can test against the ansi file http://poorcoding.com/art/pub/test.ans
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[19:24:16] <pulkomandy> the code looks ok
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[20:09:25] <leszek> hi
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[20:38:57] <Premislaus> Hello :)
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[20:49:13] <Dane__> Anybody know the status of M. Lotz?
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[20:55:19] <Dane__> mmu_man Seen anything of M. Lotz?  Is he still out?
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[21:06:45] <mmu_man> dunno, didn't have news either
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[21:26:41] <Anarchos> hi everybody
[21:27:02] <alexandros_c> hello
[21:29:59] <Anarchos> i am compiling lesstif-0.95.2
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[23:33:32] <SanketP> any news for gsoc students ? whos in and out ?
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[23:47:10] <Premislaus> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kazimierzblaszczak/remy-the-remote-mars-yard Polish project
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