April 15, 2012 
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April 15, 2012 [00:00:52] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:02:42] *** [r4] has quit IRC[00:03:59] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[00:13:57] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:25:42] *** fhein has quit IRC[00:45:44] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:46:24] *** vpelletier has quit IRC[00:50:04] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[00:53:17] *** TMM has left #haiku[01:04:01] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[01:09:13] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[01:12:54] *** sarcas has quit IRC[01:18:25] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[01:22:13] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[02:03:14] *** bbjimmy-at-work has quit IRC[02:10:41] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[02:51:41] *** duvjones has quit IRC[02:56:27] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:05:46] *** hamishm has quit IRC[03:20:27] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev44026 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=1f0f781 :[03:20:27] <CIA-37> radeon_hd: Add bunch of Radeon HD Southern Island cards[03:20:27] <CIA-37> * Found in recent Gallium RadeonSI commit[03:23:38] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[03:25:34] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[03:26:18] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[03:31:53] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[03:33:05] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[03:33:10] <Premislaus> hello :)[03:39:06] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[03:39:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:40:21] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[03:43:24] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[03:47:29] *** vision has joined #haiku[03:47:34] *** vision is now known as SMCollins2[03:56:49] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[04:04:16] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[04:27:41] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[04:42:12] *** SMCollins2 has quit IRC[04:49:04] *** jprostko has quit IRC[04:52:08] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:19:18] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[05:19:59] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[05:24:57] *** oco2 has quit IRC[05:29:21] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[05:31:38] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:43:30] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[05:46:55] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[05:49:17] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[06:23:47] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44027 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=3cf2d11 : (log message trimmed)[06:23:47] <CIA-37> Change Time Format Options in Deskbar preferences.[06:23:47] <CIA-37> Added two new methods to the Locale Kit in order to create a custom time[06:23:47] <CIA-37> formats from a format string. One method is outputs into a char* array,[06:23:47] <CIA-37> the other into a BString() and you can set the timezone.[06:23:48] <CIA-37> These methods should be cleaned up, we only need 2, one to get[06:23:49] <CIA-37> the time in a predefined style, the other to get a custom time format.[06:34:00] *** scgtrp has quit IRC[06:34:22] *** scgtrp has joined #haiku[06:47:22] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[06:57:53] <AlienSoldier> http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/editpreview what do they mean by "cooming up". Is it the next issue?[06:58:15] <AlienSoldier> *coming[07:08:20] *** kcj has joined #haiku[07:15:19] *** duvjones has quit IRC[07:22:42] <Skipp_OSX> how do I access Pootle?[07:35:54] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[07:39:15] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[07:40:30] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[07:40:42] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[07:41:02] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[07:42:43] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[07:46:19] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44028 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=a81ab45 :[07:46:20] <CIA-37> Add a button to open Time preferences from Deskbar[07:46:20] <CIA-37> preferences in the Clock section.[07:57:21] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44029 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=083776f :[07:57:21] <CIA-37> 2 small visual tweaks to Deskbar prefs[07:57:21] <CIA-37> Push the icon size slider down 10px[07:57:21] <CIA-37> Indent the time interval radio buttons over 10 more px (20px total)[07:57:31] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[08:20:04] *** RQ has joined #haiku[08:23:22] *** bjw has quit IRC[08:35:03] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:40:24] *** RQ has quit IRC[08:46:50] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[08:51:05] *** RQ has joined #haiku[09:02:31] <pmyshkin> what does it mean that Haiku specifically targets personal computing?[09:03:49] <pmyshkin> isn't haiku-os.org hosted on a haiku server?[09:08:06] <OmniMancer> no[09:08:16] <OmniMancer> its hosted on a server running linux[09:11:43] <pmyshkin> oh, I guess that's what what they meant by "self-hosting" on the wikipedia entry[09:12:12] <geist> right, you can compile the os on the os itself[09:12:17] <geist> that's the usual definition of self hosting[09:12:48] <pmyshkin> right ... being stupid[09:14:41] <pulkomandy> there was an haiku-based server to host Webpositive development for some time, however[09:14:53] <pulkomandy> but, not really recommended to do it[09:19:58] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[09:20:58] *** SMCollins1 has joined #haiku[09:23:30] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[09:33:12] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44030 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=b932a5a : (log message trimmed)[09:33:12] <CIA-37> Fix bug #8004[09:33:12] <CIA-37> Dragging the Deskbar with CTRL+ALT+mouse not possible with[09:33:12] <CIA-37> Auto-raise and Auto-hide disabled.[09:33:12] <CIA-37> The reason this only worked with auto-raise or auto-hide enabled[09:33:13] <CIA-37> is because the EventMask on BarView was only set to received mouse[09:33:14] <CIA-37> events when those were settings were enabled. Apparently someone[09:33:30] <SMCollins1> Skipp_OSX: sleep you machine[09:34:53][09:37:28] <arfonzo> morning all, SMCollins1 I'll check qgit later, I've always just used git[09:37:50] <SMCollins1> I wanna punch git right in the face[09:38:31] <SMCollins1> hey skip ticket 3314, that patch likely won't work anymore will it ?[09:42:58] <jayrulez> Sleep is the enemy :|[09:43:48] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[09:46:14] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins: patches tend to break eventually[09:51:03] <Skipp_OSX> kallisti5 had a pretty good replacement for that dialog in the works although it looks like he has since moved on to other things.[09:51:17] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[09:53:38] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[09:56:01] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[09:59:35] <pmyshkin> is there some way I can mount samba volumes?[09:59:57] *** kcj has quit IRC[10:00:02] * SMCollins1 prays to myan gods[10:00:37] <SMCollins1> pmyshkin: I don't know if it works but I thought there was something on haikuware for this a while back[10:01:01] <pmyshkin> EasyMounter?[10:01:26] <pmyshkin> it was complaining about SpLocaleApp.so[10:01:41] * SMCollins1 advises to pray to myan gods[10:01:46] <pmyshkin> haha[10:01:59] <pmyshkin> okay I guess I'll just use sftp in the opposite direction then[10:15:04] <pmyshkin> does the haiku ssh server recognize authorized_keys?[10:15:05] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[10:17:05] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[10:17:26] *** SMCollins1 has quit IRC[10:23:43] <diver_> pmyshkin: you can access samba shares using mc, also you can mount ssh shares using sshfs[10:30:38] <pmyshkin> diver_, mc as in midnight commander?[10:34:03] <diver_> yep[10:34:43] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:35:56] <pmyshkin> so much for "do one thing, do it well"[10:38:56] <diver_> well you can also use smbclient get from cli[10:41:44] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:42:46] <pmyshkin> is there something similar to fuse in haiku?[10:44:12] <arfonzo> I think sshfs uses fuse[10:49:04] *** fhein has joined #haiku[10:50:22] <pmyshkin> apparently it's called userlandfs[10:52:38] <diver_> userlandfs supports fuse to some extent[10:55:09] <arfonzo> diver_ could you url me the link to testing sshfs?[10:56:00] <arfonzo> my desktop with my "original" haiku VM died over easter holidays, so I can't access my old environment and stuff until the new machine arrives. :/[10:56:02] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[10:56:49] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[10:56:59] <diver_> arfonzo: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8427 but you still need to compile UserlandFS[10:58:06] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:58:57] <diver_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15787359/sshfs_gcc4_bundle.zip includes everything[10:59:01] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[11:00:49] <arfonzo> cool, thanks diver_[11:01:47] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[11:04:18] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[11:05:21] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[11:13:31] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[11:22:06] *** synchris has joined #haiku[11:22:06] *** synchris has joined #haiku[11:40:56] *** RQ has quit IRC[11:47:11] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[11:52:52] *** vooshy has quit IRC[11:54:39] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[12:00:14] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[12:01:31] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[12:08:23] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[12:10:08] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[12:27:17] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[12:32:51] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[12:38:58] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[12:43:31] *** adb has quit IRC[12:44:00] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[12:46:01] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:50:58] *** DaaT has quit IRC[13:13:29] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[13:13:44] <waveshaper> hi. is there anything I need to do to enable ATI drivers ?[13:13:51] <waveshaper> or are they in the nighies ?[13:13:57] <waveshaper> nightlies[13:19:13] <OmniMancer> should be in the nightlies[13:20:29] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[13:23:33] <waveshaper> cheers[13:24:01] *** sarcas has quit IRC[13:30:01] <CIA-37> haiku.master: korli * hrev44031 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=3af8da0 :[13:30:02] <CIA-37> use system zlib when cross building gcc4 to fix #8242[13:30:02] <CIA-37> * this add a dependency on package zlib1g-dev for Linux systems.[13:31:36] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:32:39] <CIA-37> haiku.master: axeld * hrev44032 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=6ea60bc :[13:32:39] <CIA-37> This must be a 64 bit computation for disks larger than 4GB.[13:32:39] <CIA-37> * This closes ticket #8460.[13:32:39] <CIA-37> * Patch from jahaiku, thanks![13:33:37] *** waveshaper has left #haiku[13:34:21] *** Hubert^^ has joined #haiku[13:35:02] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:52:34] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[14:03:37] *** JuniperJaxx has quit IRC[14:03:44] *** JuniperJaxx has joined #haiku[14:07:46] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[14:21:52] <CIA-37> haiku.master: zooey * hrev44033 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=553ce13 :[14:21:52] <CIA-37> Close #8452, pt. 2: reactivate system catalog translations.[14:21:52] <CIA-37> * when moving the locale kit into libbe, I completely missed that[14:21:52] <CIA-37> I should have moved the translated catalogs, along, too.[14:23:19] <CIA-37> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44034 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=937ca11 : Reorder names alphabetically.[14:25:11] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:25:11] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:26:35] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[14:29:56] *** jua_ is now known as jua__[14:29:58] *** jua__ is now known as jua_[14:31:05] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[14:33:22] *** Luko has joined #haiku[14:48:15] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[14:53:06] *** bjw has joined #haiku[14:53:06] *** bjw has joined #haiku[14:58:25] *** jonathanbthompso has joined #haiku[15:01:18] *** negusnyul_ has joined #haiku[15:03:25] *** swarfega has quit IRC[15:04:10] *** swarfega has joined #haiku[15:05:08] *** Luko has quit IRC[15:08:11] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[15:08:11] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[15:11:30] *** idefix_gromit has joined 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<CHORT> yeah yesterday[16:23:07] <CHORT> i just got it yesterday[16:24:25] <pulkomandy> CHORT: press the debug button, this will open a terminal[16:24:36] <CHORT> done that already[16:24:39] <pulkomandy> there you can type bt and get som more meaningful info[16:25:28] <CHORT> 0x00ac5a28 in WebCore::SQLiteStatement::prepare () from /boot/apps/WebPositive/lib/libwebcore.so (gdb) bt #0 0x00ac5a28 in WebCore::SQLiteStatement::prepare () from /boot/apps/WebPositive/lib/libwebcore.so #1 0x00ac5bef in WebCore::SQLiteStatement::executeCommand () from /boot/apps/WebPositive/lib/libwebcore.so #2 0x78074ed0 in ?? () #3 0x18044080 in ?? () #4 0x00000000 in ?? () #5 0x00ac5b9a in[16:25:29] <CHORT> WebCore::SQLiteStatement::executeCommand () from /boot/apps/WebPositive/lib/libwebcore.so Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)[16:28:26] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[16:35:17] *** abhiin1947 has joined #haiku[16:36:10] <abhiin1947> i downloaded a new copy of the source today...and i tried to jam the whole thing[16:36:34] <abhiin1947> it went properly for a while...and suddenly it gave me a "vfork: out of memory"[16:36:47] <abhiin1947> i even tried incresing my ram size..[16:36:57] <abhiin1947> (i'm on a vm)[16:36:58] <mmadia> how much ram does Haiku have? do you have a swap file set up?[16:37:06] <abhiin1947> and the size is currently 2 gb..[16:37:12] <abhiin1947> i thought that shud be enuf[16:37:19] <abhiin1947> no swap[16:37:36] <bbjimmy> Have to have swap on[16:37:44] <abhiin1947> how do i do that?[16:37:57] *** aksr has joined #haiku[16:38:15] <mmadia> is it me or does gmail automatically redirect bezilla to the basic html mode?[16:38:43] <bbjimmy> Preferences VirtualMemory[16:38:50] <bbjimmy> then re-boot[16:39:52] *** Abhi_ has joined #haiku[16:40:04] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[16:40:10] <bbjimmy> I only use Basic html ... bezilla cannot send an email in the standard mode.[16:40:57] <Abhi_> thanks...i did it..i'll try again and tell the results[16:41:27] <Abhi_> still the same[16:41:32] <Abhi_> :([16:41:45] <Abhi_> i gave 200 mb swap.[16:42:01] <Abhi_> srry[16:42:02] <Abhi_> 20[16:42:45] <bbjimmy> Did you re-boot?[16:42:58] *** abhiin1947 has quit IRC[16:43:38] <Abhi_> yea[16:44:41] <Abhi_> i have done this like 5 times b4[16:44:57] <Abhi_> its worked for so long..[16:50:04] <bbjimmy> Last time I ran jam, I had 700mb ram and 1gb swap[16:51:36] *** CHORT has quit IRC[16:52:11] *** vooshy has quit IRC[16:56:18] *** aksr has quit IRC[16:59:17] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[16:59:59] <pulkomandy> Abhi_: is there enough diskspace for the swapfile ? else it won't work[17:00:08] <pulkomandy> (there isn't 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tried almost everything..its still not working[19:01:43] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, swap space is used only if there isn't enough ram rite?[19:01:56] <pulkomandy> yes[19:02:24] <pulkomandy> building haiku does need a lot of ram[19:02:43] <abhiin1947> well..i have 3.5 gb rite now..[19:02:54] <abhiin1947> i cant do more coz my computer's limit is 4..[19:03:29] <abhiin1947> should i report this?[19:03:30] *** aksr has quit IRC[19:05:14] <abhiin1947> i'm trying it out in a new vm..hope it works this time[19:05:42] <pulkomandy> you can try to run jam multiple times[19:05:58] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:06:02] <abhiin1947> and one more...does haiku allow allocation of virtual memory only in the primary partition?[19:06:10] <pulkomandy> if it started compiling some stuff, it will skip it next time, so it will get a bit further before getting out of memory[19:06:14] <pulkomandy> I think yes[19:06:20] <abhiin1947> coz i cant increase it more than 50mb[19:06:51] <pulkomandy> it's a good idea to install haiku to a bigger partition yes[19:07:14] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, i tried that...ive done it like 10 times now..stops at the same point everytime[19:07:15] <pulkomandy> you may as well run out of disk space, as /tmp is also stored on the main partition[19:07:22] <pulkomandy> shouldn't[19:07:43] <abhiin1947> the source in on another partition[19:07:45] <pulkomandy> which version of Haiku is it ?[19:08:03] <abhiin1947> so disk space shudnt be a problem..i cloned the latest one[19:09:38] <abhiin1947> hrev44034 i think[19:10:07] <Luko> hi. small question from me to someone who can get me answer?...... i look to /var and see a 8GB swap file.. why so big?[19:10:28] <Luko> i have 4gb od RAM[19:10:43] <Luko> 16gb Haiku /boot part[19:11:09] <abhiin1947> how much did u allocate?[19:11:23] <Luko> i dont have enabled virtual memory in preference app[19:11:23] <pulkomandy> Luko: the default allocation is 2xRAM size[19:11:39] <Luko> pulkomandy, thanks... that its ok ?[19:11:43] <pulkomandy> it's enabled by default, after you disable it you need to reboot[19:11:53] <pulkomandy> or you can resize it, you likely don't need that much[19:12:29] <Luko> pulkomandy, how big /boot partition is best for Haiku?[19:12:46] <Luko> for normal work[19:12:57] <pulkomandy> I use 2GB, but I put most stuff on other disks/partitions[19:13:41] <Luko> i get for haiku allways 16gb[19:13:48] <Luko> i have 320gb disk[19:13:52] <abhiin1947> what does the app icon-o-matic do?[19:14:10] <pulkomandy> it's an icon editor[19:14:18] <pulkomandy> just drag any application on it to edit the icon[19:15:03] <abhiin1947> wow..that makes my job a lot easier :D[19:15:12] *** aksr has joined #haiku[19:17:44] <abhiin1947> one more thing...how do the icons for the drives work? the size increases dynamically rite? how?[19:18:58] <Skipp_OSX> abhiin1947: they are vector icons[19:19:18] <Skipp_OSX> they get filled into a bitmap at different sizes[19:19:42] <abhiin1947> Skipp_OSX, anywhere i can read more about them? i think they might come in handy..[19:19:52] <abhiin1947> so can these be animated?[19:19:55] *** aksr has quit IRC[19:20:17] <Skipp_OSX> well, here are our icon guidelines: http://api.haiku-os.org/icon_guidelines/[19:20:26] *** idefix_gromit has quit IRC[19:21:20] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:21:23] <Skipp_OSX> and to get an idea how they work look in src/libs/icon/IconUtils.cpp[19:21:36] *** idefix_gromit has quit IRC[19:21:59] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:22:10] <Skipp_OSX> You could look at how I'm resizing them in Deskbar in src/apps/deskbar/BarApp.cpp[19:23:02] <abhiin1947> Skipp_OSX, thanks a lot! :)[19:23:42] <Skipp_OSX> no problem[19:28:30] <tqh> https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/2009-09-14_why_haiku_vector_icons_are_so_small http://haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/applications/icon-o-matic.html#bitmap-vector[19:32:15] *** aksr has joined #haiku[19:32:41] <pulkomandy> abhiin1947: the drive icons are custom code in Tracker[19:32:46] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[19:33:01] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[19:33:03] <pulkomandy> in BeOS there was the same bar to show download progress from the web browser[19:33:04] *** Advant has joined #haiku[19:33:30] <pulkomandy> the problem is making it available externally, so that other apps (or tracker add-ons) can add such overlays[19:35:21] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[19:40:19] <abhiin1947> tqh, THAT IS A GOOD GUIDE FOR ICON-O-MATIC..THANKS[19:40:30] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[19:41:01] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, well..cant it be done the hard way..[19:41:17] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, that is..to change the icon manually from the external app...everytime[19:42:04] *** aksr has quit IRC[19:42:34] <pulkomandy> you need to tell the tracker to update it if it has an open window, then[19:42:51] <pulkomandy> and I'm not sure there's an easyway to do that[19:43:49] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:44:17] <abhiin1947> pulkomandy, can u tell me where i can find this custom code?[19:44:46] <pulkomandy> likely somewhere in Tracker... no precise idea[19:45:57] <abhiin1947> hmm..anyway..vector format seems like a pretty handy way to store..they sure save a lot of space[19:46:24] <pulkomandy> yes[19:46:53] <pulkomandy> and they look better :)[19:47:09] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:48:14] <abhiin1947> yes..even at a bigger size..[19:48:41] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #353 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc2hybrid] haiku-image [x86gcc2hybrid] haiku-vmware-image [x86gcc2hybrid] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc2hybrid] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc2hybrid] @alpha-raw [x86gcc2hybrid] @alpha-cd [x86gcc2hybrid] @nightly-anyboot [x86gcc2hybrid] @nightly-vmware [x86gcc2hybrid] @nightly-raw [x86gcc2hybrid] @nightly-cd] Build details[19:48:41] <HAIKU-Buildbot> are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/353 blamelist: anevilyak at gmail dot com, zooey at hirschkaefer dot de[19:54:44] *** aksr has joined #haiku[19:55:26] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[19:58:28] *** 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Hubert^^_ is now known as Hubert^^[21:19:35] *** aksr has quit IRC[21:20:29] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[21:20:32] <Premislaus> hello[21:22:15] *** dcase has joined #haiku[21:25:27] *** Luko has joined #haiku[21:26:56] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[21:32:23] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[21:33:42] *** aksr has joined #haiku[21:39:30] *** dcase has quit IRC[21:41:24] *** aksr has quit IRC[21:43:44] <jayrulez> hello Premislaus[21:43:57] <Premislaus> hello :)[21:44:54] <jayrulez> Are you a programmer?[21:45:45] <Premislaus> no :( i want to be[21:46:16] <Premislaus> BeProgrammer ;)[21:47:11] <jayrulez> Ha :)[21:48:05] <Premislaus> only pascal, once, years ago[21:48:15] <Premislaus> qbasic[21:48:24] <Premislaus> delphi[21:48:53] <pulkomandy> we all started this way :)[21:52:09] <Skipp_OSX> I didn't :)[21:52:17] <Skipp_OSX> I never used any of the languages[21:52:19] <Skipp_OSX> PHP baby![21:53:56] <Luko> hey its posible to program beetles (atmel avrs and other) in haiku?[21:54:13] <Luko> with USB ISP[21:54:15] <Luko> ?[21:54:22] <Luko> avrdude ?[21:54:41] <pulkomandy> Luko: avrdude is not ported[21:54:46] <Luko> :([21:54:50] <pulkomandy> there is some code to rewrite because we don't have libusb[21:55:00] *** aksr has joined #haiku[21:55:01] <pulkomandy> it's not a lot of work, but I never took the time[21:55:10] <Luko> its only lib?[21:55:14] <Luko> not driver?[21:55:33] <Luko> does haiku support char device like in linux /dev/[21:55:33] <pulkomandy> yes, in Haiku we have something close to libusb in the usb kit[21:55:45] <pulkomandy> so no driver needed[21:55:58] <pulkomandy> ask mmu_man for the libusb port status maybe ? :)[21:56:10] <pulkomandy> char device ? which one ?[21:56:28] <pulkomandy> the devices are a bit different, serial ports are in /dev/serial/ or something like that[21:56:36] <Luko> yes somethinkg like this[21:56:41] <Premislaus> c++ for me is hard to learn[21:56:56] <Luko> i have Atmel AVR MK II USB programmer[21:57:05] <Luko> mkIIisp[21:57:08] <pulkomandy> Premislaus: powerful tool, but complex as well :)[21:57:30] <Luko> is there a repo with libusb?[21:57:48] <jayrulez> I will learn D soon.[21:58:33] <Luko> true coders code inly in K&R C[21:58:34] <jayrulez> I already know the basics of C++.[21:59:02] <jayrulez> True coders are a dying breed :|[21:59:08] <Luko> :)[21:59:15] *** aksr has quit IRC[21:59:21] *** Hubert^^ has quit IRC[21:59:47] <Skipp_OSX> jayrulez: I'd like to learn D as well, it facinates me[21:59:55] <Luko> the thinks what i want to learn in future is maybe 86 asm and ARM asm[22:00:22] <Luko> ARM is more interesting for me[22:00:44] <Skipp_OSX> although I'd think Haiku could get a lot just be moving to C++11 in R2[22:01:39] <Luko> Skipp_OSX, C++11 have something thinks like objective C programing ?[22:01:56] <Skipp_OSX> exceptions, auto, lambdas, templates, stuff like that.[22:02:13] <jayrulez> I would be happy if Haiku moves to C++11 and gets an upstream port of D[22:02:16] <Luko> functionall programing[22:02:27] <Luko> like Haskell[22:02:42] <Skipp_OSX> jayrulez: yeah, D API support for writing apps would be nice[22:02:49] <jayrulez> Well C++ and D are mostly identical[22:02:55] <Skipp_OSX> so you could write C++ apps, or D apps[22:03:20] <pulkomandy> Skipp_OSX: exceptions are a mess to handle in kernel land[22:03:26] <pulkomandy> but would be ok for userland[22:03:43] <Skipp_OSX> pulkomandy: yeah, kernel should be mainly C with a sprinkle of C++ here and there perhaps[22:04:07] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[22:04:10] <jayrulez> It is possible to do the kernel in C++ only[22:04:16] <pulkomandy> well it's mostly C++, and it works well[22:04:16] <Skipp_OSX> jayrulez: C++ and D are not mainly identical[22:04:25] <Skipp_OSX> pulkomandy: well, it is more C+ than C++[22:04:43] <pulkomandy> you don't NEED to use every single feature[22:04:54] <Skipp_OSX> and you shouldn't in the kernel[22:06:09] <pulkomandy> you can't anyway[22:06:20] <pulkomandy> no exceptions :)[22:07:16] <Luko> i use XFCE in linux and i see in some app code writed in Vala is layer up on C.. the code is tarnslate to C and after compiled.. Vala have nice syntax and not use runtime[22:07:23] <Luko> sorry for my bad english[22:08:24] <Premislaus> pulkomandy: c++ need to memorize... i prefer procedural language, ideally something like BASIC, but to be compiled and bound with popular libraries (SDL, OpenGL) and Haiku API[22:09:15] <Premislaus> I do not like scripting language for performance reasons[22:09:24] <pulkomandy> Premislaus: tried yab ?[22:09:29] <Luko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_%28programming_language%29[22:10:01] <Premislaus> of course :), but it is an interpreted language[22:10:23] <Luko> Vala is self-compiled[22:10:47] <Luko> compiler generate a C code and this compile to exec binary[22:10:50] <pulkomandy> anyway, I don't think the Haiku API would fit well in a procedural language[22:12:17] <Premislaus> When I used the Linux( OpenSuSe, PcLinuxOS), I had the impression that in the background is still working Python interpreter ...[22:14:16] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:15:47] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:16:42] <Premislaus> pulkomandy, all its possible :). In Poland is such a joke that you can not put the umbrella in ass, open it and pull out.[22:16:57] <Premislaus> But it succeeded to some Russkies[22:18:26] <Premislaus> but do not know how to collapse and remove[22:18:49] <Premislaus> bound of the API, due to the performance[22:21:03] <Luko> i think best script language but not so widely used is Lua[22:21:12] <Luko> AROS have lua-gui[22:21:56] <mmu_man> vlc uses it[22:22:42] <Luko> lua have pascal like syntax[22:23:05] <jayrulez> lua is nice[22:23:50] <Luko> i dont make any program long time.. but i learn a lua how works and its very easy to make lua-C conections and call C functions from lua[22:23:50] <jayrulez> Fiasco guys use it in their microkernel os for configuration and other things[22:24:06] <Premislaus> wings 3d is written in erlang :P[22:24:14] <jayrulez> the good thing about it is very lightweight[22:24:18] <Luko> netbsd use in kernel lua too[22:24:40] <Premislaus> lua is too slow[22:25:20] <Luko> maybe was not to hard make calls of haiku api from lua[22:25:56] <Luko> something like Yab[22:26:01] <Luko> but based on lua[22:26:32] <Premislaus> Luko: http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/games/egsl-150[22:26:57] <Premislaus> basic + lua, interpreter is written in freepascal[22:27:41] <Luko> nice[22:28:55] <Premislaus> BTW You have childrens?[22:29:25] <Premislaus> I have a son, 10 months...[22:29:28] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #354 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/354[22:29:55] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus: do you mean memoize?[22:30:33] <MindChild> My TI calc does Lua now[22:30:57] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorization[22:32:12] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus: I was thinking this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoize[22:32:54] <Premislaus> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/262422_186697348063981_100001711501960_500032_4658112_n.jpg picture from few months[22:33:48] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX I read[22:35:39] <Premislaus> probably this is what I meant[22:38:44] <Premislaus> I think "logically", with conditions, not memorized. I use the induction in my thinking, no deduction...[22:39:18] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning[22:41:14] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:43:37] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:45:23] *** negusnyul_ has quit IRC[22:45:40] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[22:46:04] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44036 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=1cd97d5 :[22:46:04] <CIA-37> Update modifier keys window to take out cruft. [3 commits][22:46:04] <CIA-37> I don't need to set the ExplicitMaxSize of the StringView's in[22:46:04] <CIA-37> Modifier Keys anymore or calculate the widest label now that the[22:46:04] <CIA-37> StringView's have an explicit alignment set. I used the old method[22:46:04] <CIA-37> of SetAlignment(B_ALIGN_RIGHT) just because I can,[22:46:05] <CIA-37> SetExplicitAlignment() should work too.[22:46:16] <Skipp_OSX> geist: you are my hero[22:46:23] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:49:55] <Skipp_OSX> also yourpalpal :)[22:53:27] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:54:29] <geist> oh yeah? what did i do this time?[23:03:04] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:07:24] *** Luko has quit IRC[23:17:53] <Skipp_OSX> I can push to remote master from a local branch[23:18:07] <Skipp_OSX> so much easier than switching to master, rebasing in changes, then pushing[23:19:08] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:22:27] *** sl_ has quit IRC[23:25:39] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[23:27:59] <geist> Skipp_OSX: ah yay, sweet[23:34:13] <dreamed> Skipp_OSX: looks like I got it downloaded that time[23:40:19] *** sl_ has joined #haiku[23:42:27] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[23:48:34] *** bryan_w has quit IRC