April 14, 2012 
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April 14, 2012 [00:00:02] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:01:45] <Premislaus> Does Mesa can run faster in Haiku than Linux?[00:02:16] <Premislaus> more fps?[00:04:57] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[00:05:20] <pmyshkin> I just tried out haikuos for a bit[00:05:32] <pmyshkin> it looks really cool[00:05:37] *** romain__ has joined #haiku[00:05:43] <pmyshkin> I noticed one odd thing though[00:06:35] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, we don't need an icon for WebGL though since that is built into the browser[00:06:41] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, what's up?[00:07:04] <pmyshkin> I changed my keymap to colemak, and I noticed that in PE, the keyboard shortcuts changed so that they used the standard qwerty keys[00:07:28] <pmyshkin> i.e., in colemak, the QWERTY s is mapped to r[00:07:41] <pmyshkin> and now the keyboard shortcut for save is alt-r[00:08:05] <pmyshkin> however, this behavior doesn't apply to webpositive[00:08:36] *** papasmurf has quit IRC[00:08:42] <pmyshkin> webpositive keeps the same keyboard shortcuts, and works correctly after I changed the keymap[00:09:10] <Premislaus> wow webcl http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/webgl/gpu/fluid.htm[00:09:19] <Premislaus> 10 fps...[00:09:51] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, does it work after you restart Web+?[00:10:30] <Skipp_OSX> I can't comment on what Web+ is doing but it should be reading your keymap in from the system keymap which gets set when you change your keymap in Keymap[00:10:35] <pmyshkin> yes, web+ seems to work as expected in all cases[00:10:49] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, but other apps don't?[00:10:52] <pmyshkin> the strange behavior is with PE[00:10:58] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, ahhh yes[00:11:04] <Skipp_OSX> Pe does not read keymap[00:11:22] <Skipp_OSX> It has hard coded settings[00:11:26] <Skipp_OSX> and I hate that about it.[00:11:36] <pmyshkin> but it changes the shortcuts themselves ...[00:11:44] <pmyshkin> that's bizarre[00:11:51] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, it using the shortcuts from an AZERTY keyboard[00:12:00] <Skipp_OSX> no matter what your keymap is.[00:12:03] *** mek8630 has quit IRC[00:12:07] <Skipp_OSX> German I believe[00:12:08] <pmyshkin> like I open the file menu, and I see the shortcut written out for Save as "Alt-r"[00:12:34] <pmyshkin> I don't see how it can change the menu text like that ...[00:12:42] <Skipp_OSX> oh, well, the menus read from your keymap, but the actual shortcuts used are fixed[00:12:53] <Skipp_OSX> so the menu is right, Pe is wrong[00:13:11] <pmyshkin> haha[00:13:16] <pmyshkin> that's very interesting behavior[00:13:23] <Skipp_OSX> sorry about that, it's a bug in Pe, or rather just a really stupid design choice made by the author who is a certified lunitic[00:13:37] *** papasmurf has joined #haiku[00:14:00] <pmyshkin> why would you apologize? you guys put in so much work for me to use this thing for free[00:14:30] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, because I feel personally responsible for Pe sucking and am ashamed to have not fixed it yet.[00:15:16] <pmyshkin> I just find it interesting how the menu labels are still correct, even when it's broken[00:15:21] <Skipp_OSX> In his defense keymap may not have existed yet when it was written...[00:15:59] <pmyshkin> I was also a little surprised that when I right-clicked -> Create new C++ file, the resulting file didn't have an extension[00:16:07] <mmadia> and +1 for colemak pmyshkin ;)[00:16:07] <Skipp_OSX> at least not as an operating system feature[00:16:18] <pmyshkin> but the icon and association seemed to work[00:16:29] <mmadia> i could paste a modified Pe settings file, for colemak.[00:16:31] <pmyshkin> mmadia +100 to haiku for having the keymap[00:17:07] <pmyshkin> my immediate reaction was "oh right, there's no way I can use this without colemak"[00:17:21] <pmyshkin> very pleasantly surprised[00:17:45] <mmadia> hmm, Pe's keybindings isn't plaintext. if you'd like, i could email it to you.[00:17:51] * mmadia also a colemak user.[00:18:04] <Skipp_OSX> This was a description of the keymap API when Pe was written: http://haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/benewsletter/Issue1-6.html[00:18:07] *** romain__ has quit IRC[00:18:16] <Skipp_OSX> A few things have changed since then...[00:18:21] <pmyshkin> mmadia I think I can manage with just the menus[00:18:47] <mmu> Pe's keybindings use key codes instead of letters... ends up using Alt-A to quit :D[00:19:15] <mmadia> ok. you could set them yourself too. Window --> Preferences --> Keybindings.[00:19:53] <Skipp_OSX> The keymap got updated in 1999 as described here: http://haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/benewsletter/Issue4-50.html[00:19:55] <pmyshkin> did haiku-os.org suddenly go down?[00:20:07] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, works for me[00:20:12] <pmyshkin> I can't visit any of these links you're pasting[00:21:09] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[00:21:46] <Skipp_OSX> idk, they are just regular links[00:21:58] *** Megaf has quit IRC[00:22:02] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:22:04] <Skipp_OSX> maybe you have to right click, open in browser or something[00:22:07] *** Megaf_ is now known as Megaf[00:22:19] <pmyshkin> no it's just my isp I guess[00:22:30] <pmyshkin> I just checked on downforeveryone[00:22:41] <pmyshkin> also, is there an IRC client in haiku?[00:23:25] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, Vision, should be installed by default[00:24:34] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[00:24:48] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[00:24:56] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[00:24:57] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[00:25:23] <pmyshkin> nice[00:27:41] <pmyshkin> is the haiku gui API based on any well known APIs?[00:27:50] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[00:28:08] <pmyshkin> like tk or qt?[00:28:11] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:28:16] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[00:28:46] <Premislaus> Haiku has its original API[00:29:13] <mmadia> and most of it is based on BeOS's R5 API. though, it does have numerous advancements.[00:29:14] <Premislaus> http://api.haiku-os.org/ - unfinished[00:30:00] <pmyshkin> I hope it's better than the pieces of crap on unix[00:30:02] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:30:09] <pmyshkin> wx, qt[00:30:27] <Premislaus> http://haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/index.html[00:30:37] *** Megaf has quit IRC[00:32:30] <pmyshkin> and you guys use GNU libc/libstdc++ ?[00:32:47] <mmu> yes[00:32:53] <mmu> glibc[00:32:55] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:33:04] <mmu> not the latest one though due to BeOS compatibility[00:36:40] <pmyshkin> interesting[00:37:00] <pmyshkin> I've never programmed in an environment with such a large built-in API[00:37:32] <OmniMancer> a horrible franken glibc[00:38:43] <Premislaus> pmyshkin what you have programmed so far?[00:39:08] <pmyshkin> only linux really[00:39:26] <pmyshkin> and I do mostly cli stuff[00:39:52] <pmyshkin> partly because I tried gui programming in c++ in linux and threw up a little in my mouth[00:40:53] <pmyshkin> I've dabbled a bit in win32 but that was even more horrible[00:42:13] <pmyshkin> I can imagine how a large standard api would be preferrable to making users install random gui toolkits[00:42:43] <Premislaus> Haiku users prefer GUI applications, but even the texts programs would be useful :).[00:42:49] <pmyshkin> and not having to deal with people recommending you use boost for everything in stack overflow[00:44:01] <pmyshkin> Premislaus, I'm starting to see the value of GUIs now, especially for complicated data visualization, I think I've just been turned off by the complexity of gui programming[00:44:15] <pmyshkin> the only good experience I've had was with python and tkinter[00:44:18] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[00:44:24] <Skipp_OSX> If you have skills with command line apps, there is a task I'd like to see accomplished[00:44:35] <Skipp_OSX> adding manpages from coreutils in...[00:44:45] <Skipp_OSX> would make my life easier[00:45:08] <pmyshkin> I just tried running man, can't even find it[00:45:26] <mmadia> installoptionalpackage man[00:45:40] <mmadia> ... though, most applications don't have their man pages installed.[00:46:55] <Skipp_OSX> right, I know how to install man, but I want the man pages[00:46:59] <Skipp_OSX> for coreutils[00:47:12] <Skipp_OSX> is it ln -s src dest or ln -s dest src I can never remember[00:47:52] <pmyshkin> does haiku have a strong commitment to these command line tools?[00:48:06] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin, yes, they are built-in[00:48:30] <pmyshkin> also, ln? I thought haiku has a different filesystem concept[00:48:38] <Skipp_OSX> teach a man to fish, feed him for a day, give him the manpage for fishing, and he'll eat for a lifetime, something like that.[00:48:43] *** adev has quit IRC[00:48:53] <pmyshkin> installoptionalpackage man failed on me[00:49:35] <Skipp_OSX> errr give a man a fish... bad joke[00:50:08] <pmyshkin> build a man a fire, he stays warm for a night. set a man on fire, he stays warm the rest of his life[00:50:09] <Premislaus> pmyshkin https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/installoptionalpackage[00:50:15] *** dcase has quit IRC[00:50:21] *** drano has joined #haiku[00:50:35] <pmyshkin> I have to go now[00:50:44] <Premislaus> installoptionalpackage -l and see[00:50:54] <pmyshkin> thanks for the answers[00:51:17] <pmyshkin> I'll definitely look into haiku some more[00:51:26] <Premislaus> no problem[00:51:28] <Skipp_OSX> okay, good luck pmyshkin[00:51:28] <Premislaus> thanks[00:51:35] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[00:52:07] *** Megaf__ has joined #haiku[00:52:38] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[00:54:24] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[00:55:54] *** Megaf__ has quit IRC[01:01:42] *** drano has left #haiku[01:02:25] *** jua_ has quit IRC[01:02:29] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[01:04:06] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[01:05:02] *** _Vampyre has joined #haiku[01:05:07] *** DHowett_ has joined #haiku[01:05:11] *** Huggy has quit IRC[01:05:49] *** adamk` has joined #haiku[01:06:49] *** swarfega` has joined #haiku[01:08:57] *** swarfega` is now known as swarfega|away[01:10:43] *** GeekShad1w has joined #haiku[01:12:59] *** Megaf__ has joined #haiku[01:13:00] *** Megaf__ has joined #haiku[01:14:38] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[01:15:46] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[01:16:22] *** Malmis_ has joined #haiku[01:16:50] *** swarfega has quit IRC[01:16:50] *** diver_ has quit IRC[01:16:50] *** Malmis has quit IRC[01:16:50] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[01:16:50] *** adamk has quit IRC[01:16:50] *** DHowett has quit IRC[01:16:50] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[01:16:52] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[01:16:53] *** _Vampyre is now known as Vampyre[01:40:03] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[01:47:26] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[01:49:11] *** Per_Vers has joined #haiku[01:51:02] <Per_Vers> Hello. Alpha3 is the newest release. Any idea when to expect A4?[01:51:31] <Premislaus> propably in may[01:51:45] <Dane_> Has anybody here successfully used the SupremeFX II card with Haiku?[01:51:54] <Dane_> I'm trying to determine if I need to download a special driver for it.[01:52:20] <Premislaus> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/R1a4-initial-planning[01:53:06] <Premislaus> Per_Vers You know what it means to your nickname in Polish?[01:53:20] <Per_Vers> no?[01:53:39] <Per_Vers> I am Norwegian.[01:53:42] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[01:53:52] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[01:54:16] <Premislaus> pervert...[01:54:41] <Premislaus> in polish perwers[01:55:23] <Premislaus> also in french[01:55:36] <Per_Vers> Yeah. It´s meant to sound like a name, but means "pervert."[01:56:06] <Per_Vers> Just like Master Bates, Ivor Biggun or Dick Cheese.[01:57:18] <SMCollins> I have several Records from Richard cheese, they are quiet amusing[02:02:09] <Per_Vers> How is YouTube support in Haiku now? Is UberTuber still the best bet? Or will it work in the browser now?[02:02:24] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[02:02:25] <Premislaus> UberTuber[02:03:09] <Premislaus> or http://www.haikuzone.net/tips/audio/watching-youtube-haiku-using-gnash[02:03:38] <Per_Vers> Is it because HTML5 support in WebPositive is not yet good enough?[02:04:10] <Premislaus> I do not know how it works on the newest nightly( gnash, maybe must recompile)[02:04:37] <mmadia> our HTML5 support lacks audio+video.[02:05:30] <Per_Vers> Ok. Any idea when that will be fixed, so YouTube will work in the browser?[02:05:33] <Premislaus> Web+ no was developed for a long time...[02:05:55] <Premislaus> bezilla + gnash[02:06:12] <SMCollins> gnash don't work either[02:06:36] <Premislaus> :-([02:10:01] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[02:11:20] *** Megaf__ has quit IRC[02:13:12] <Per_Vers> I must go now. Bye :-)[02:13:50] <Premislaus> bye[02:13:51] *** Per_Vers has left #haiku[02:17:08] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[02:19:52] *** hamishm has quit IRC[02:24:30] *** juaa_ has joined #haiku[02:24:52] *** jua_ has quit IRC[02:26:09] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[02:26:40] *** falktx has joined #haiku[02:27:30] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[02:38:27] *** anu_GSOC has joined #haiku[02:57:25] *** mmu has quit IRC[03:05:34] *** bjw has joined #haiku[03:05:35] *** bjw has joined #haiku[03:10:19] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[03:15:34] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[03:21:14] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[03:22:35] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[03:25:33] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[03:28:22] *** Megaf__ has joined #haiku[03:29:12] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:30:28] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[03:33:07] *** Megaf__ has quit IRC[03:38:13] *** oco2 has quit IRC[03:39:03] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[04:05:44] *** Athetius has joined #haiku[04:05:46] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[04:10:05] <Skipp_OSX> geist: you there?[04:10:43] <Skipp_OSX> I was just wondering if there was a way to push to origin/master without having to switch to my local master branch[04:12:48] <Skipp_OSX> if a branch is tracking master and you push will it push to the master branch on remote?[04:13:24] <Skipp_OSX> I've always been too nervous to find out, I don't want to push a new branch to Haiku's git repo on accident[04:18:13] <Athetius> What language is Haiku written in?[04:19:59] <Skipp_OSX> Athetius: C++ mostly[04:21:02] <Skipp_OSX> The kernel is written in a mix of C and C++, user land is mostly C++[04:21:28] <Athetius> Thank you, Skipp_OSX[04:22:02] <Skipp_OSX> np[04:32:11] <geist> Skipp_OSX: sure[04:32:15] <geist> the syntax is[04:32:28] <geist> git push <repository> <localbranch or hash>:<remote branch>[04:32:39] *** Anuruddha_ has joined #haiku[04:32:56] <geist> so 'git push origin 1234asdfasdfasdf:master' would work[04:33:22] <geist> what you're pushing will have to be a child of master or it'll complaint[04:35:04] *** anu_GSOC has quit IRC[04:35:26] <Skipp_OSX> geist: okay, so I am in a 3drendering branch now[04:35:41] <Skipp_OSX> I could do git push origin 3drendering:master ?[04:35:54] <geist> sure, or HEAD instead of 3drendering[04:36:10] <geist> HEAD is a short for 'whatever the head of the current local branch is'[04:36:20] <Skipp_OSX> okay sure, that makes sense[04:36:25] <geist> this is the 'long form' of git push[04:36:28] <Skipp_OSX> I knew there had to be a way to do it...[04:36:33] <geist> almost all the shorter forms are just shortcuts to this[04:38:20] *** Anuruddha_ has quit IRC[04:38:29] *** anu_GSOC has joined #haiku[04:46:04] <Skipp_OSX> If I rebase with git rebase -i (I haven't) can I still push that way?[04:46:28] <geist> its not letting you push because it's not a child?[04:46:30] <Skipp_OSX> without a merge commit I mean[04:46:38] <Skipp_OSX> no, I'm just asking[04:46:55] <geist> it'll onlylet you push if it's a child of the branch[04:47:14] <geist> so if you had originally branched from master, made a bunch of changes, and in the interim no one had changed, then yes[04:47:21] <geist> if master had changed, then yes, you'll have to rebase[04:48:25] <Skipp_OSX> geist: yeah, I understand that[04:48:47] <Skipp_OSX> I mean, if I do a rebase -i I've rewritten history, but I guess just in my local branch[04:48:54] <geist> right[04:49:04] <geist> thats exactly right[04:49:04] *** SMCollins1 has joined #haiku[04:49:18] <Skipp_OSX> I was wondering if it would reject the push because it would change history, but I guess it shouldn't.[04:49:42] <geist> right, precisely because youve rebased on what youre pushing to[04:49:50] <geist> and therefore are now a child[04:50:16] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:56:02] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[04:57:08] *** anu_GSOC has quit IRC[04:57:34] *** Athetius has left #haiku[04:57:47] *** leguin has quit IRC[05:04:41][05:04:46] <geist> yeah[05:05:09] <geist> its that or a merge, and rebases are prettier if you can do them[05:07:22] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, I don't want to merge[05:08:53] <Skipp_OSX> any devs here? where would I put a GUI app I want to hide?[05:09:45] <OmniMancer> hmm?[05:09:52] <Skipp_OSX> /system/bin is for command line only seemingly[05:10:11] <OmniMancer> you just don't link it into a menu?[05:10:37] <SMCollins1> just leave if out of the image[05:10:38] <Skipp_OSX> pretty much, yeah[05:10:51][05:11:23] <Skipp_OSX> what about AboutSystem?[05:11:48] <Skipp_OSX> where is that?[05:11:54] <SMCollins1> is it something that can do awe inspiring amounts of damage ?[05:11:58] <Skipp_OSX> cause it isn't in the menu[05:12:03] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[05:12:03] <SMCollins1> I think thats in boot/system/apps[05:12:12] *** falktx has quit IRC[05:12:27] <SMCollins1> yep thats where it is[05:12:29] <OmniMancer> well you can't really hide it from people who look because the commits will be in git[05:12:41] <SMCollins1> I'd just leave it out of the image[05:12:48] <OmniMancer> and yea as I said just don't link it into the menu[05:12:49] <Skipp_OSX> well, I don't want to hide it like that, I just don't want it in the menu[05:14:07] <Skipp_OSX> I want people to see it in the commits in git :)[05:14:14] <Skipp_OSX> It is 3dRendering that I'm talking about[05:14:17] <Skipp_OSX> btw[05:14:17] <SMCollins1> boot/system/apps most people won't venture there.[05:14:42] <SMCollins1> as long as you don't create a link, it shouldn't show up in the menu anyways[05:16:49] <Skipp_OSX> okay, I see what's going on, there is SYSTEM_APPS where you define apps in /boot/system/apps and then there is DESKBAR_APPLICATIONS which defines what shows up in Deskbar (I am talking about HaikuImage)[05:17:10] <SMCollins1> yeah, that sounds about right[05:23:06] *** Beretta031 has joined #haiku[05:25:18] *** mikaelj_ has joined #haiku[05:26:12] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[05:26:12] *** mikaelj has quit IRC[05:26:12] *** AlexanderS has quit IRC[05:28:39] *** AlexanderS has joined #haiku[05:32:11] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[05:34:53] <Skipp_OSX> okay, lets give this a shot[05:35:37] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[05:35:37] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[05:35:40] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44020 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=70c5197 : (log message trimmed)[05:35:41] <CIA-37> Rename 3D Rendering to GL Info and move it. [3 commits][05:35:41] <CIA-37> * Rename 3D Rendering to GL Info[05:35:41] <CIA-37> * Moved it in the source tree from src/preferences/3drendering/[05:35:41] <CIA-37> to src/tests/kits/opengl/glinfo/[05:35:41] <CIA-37> * Moved in HaikuImage from SYSTEM_PREFERENCES to SYSTEM_APPS[05:35:41] <CIA-37> * Does not show up in DESKBAR_APPLICATIONS like AboutSystem[05:37:18] <Skipp_OSX> geist: I can always count on you to know what you are talking regarding git things[05:41:05] <SMCollins1> so skipp, when do you plan on unhiding Gl info ?[06:15:00] <Skipp_OSX> well, it's not hidden, just not in the menu, I guess I misspoke[06:16:17] <Skipp_OSX> and, no, not for the foreseeable future, kallisti5 needs it for testing GL stuff, and it someday may have some options like choosing your rasterizer, but for now, it is hidden because it is not generally useful and Axel complained.[06:17:46] * SMCollins1 all hail Axel[06:19:21] <Skipp_OSX> well, he has a point...[06:19:22] <Premislaus> BTW why this patch was not added - http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/8111/0001-x86-AMD-C1E-with-no-ARAT-Always-Running-APIC-Timer-i.patch - and others yongcong patch?[06:20:26] <SMCollins1> I have no idea, I am testing it out though, to make sure it doesn't crash and the person in the ticket obviously can't or doesn't know how to build, I will just link a test build for him[06:21:49] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus: well, nobody has claimed the ticket...[06:22:31][06:22:47] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[06:23:05] <Skipp_OSX> I wonder if Ingo is aware of it, he would be the best person to judge I'd think.[06:23:33] <SMCollins1> I belive he is, the applicant for gsoc posted these patchs as part of the application process, there was even a dev mailing list notice[06:24:04] <Skipp_OSX> Well, if Ingo is aware he'll take care of it eventually I'm sure.[06:24:32] <Premislaus> when i run a Haiku install, the fan howling terrible[06:24:39] <Premislaus> *installer[06:24:49] <SMCollins1> installer uses allot cpu for file copy[06:24:55] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus: does that patch fix that issue?[06:25:49] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[06:26:56] <Premislaus> I do not know, but from the description is apparent, I've never tried to compile Haiku[06:27:20] <SMCollins1> hey skipp, this is fialy cool, during the unzip phase of the build, the icon in the deskbar is cycling to different icons[06:27:50] <Premislaus> *so obvious from the description[06:27:56] <SMCollins1> seems to like bezillamail and screen pref[06:34:43] <Premislaus> You will review patches before the alpha 4?[06:35:38] <SMCollins1> Premislaus: you are the patch author ?[06:35:49] <Premislaus> no[06:35:52] <SMCollins1> ah[06:36:41] <SMCollins1> I will be testing that patch here as soon as installer finishes prepping this usb drive with a install a build with that patch[06:38:23] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1: ummm that sounds like it could be a bug...[06:38:33] <Skipp_OSX> the icon in Deskbar is cycling?[06:38:36] <Premislaus> ok but I asked for the rest of the patches http://dev.haiku-os.org/query?status=!closed&patch=1[06:39:10] <SMCollins1> yeah skipp, its a older revision of your deskbar mods[06:39:54] <SMCollins1> So there are only 103 patchs in trac, wow, thats nice[06:40:06] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:44:14] <Premislaus> It is better that they are, than they would had they not be ;)[06:45:24] <SMCollins1> I'm looking through them, a large number in the first few I checked are a long way from fully baked[06:46:20][06:47:00] <Premislaus> DDevine?[06:48:45] <Premislaus> what is that?[06:49:05] <SMCollins1> gotta reboot, something has died[06:49:49] *** SMCollins1 has quit IRC[06:51:56] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:54:47] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus: a person who has submitted patches[06:55:51] <Premislaus> ok, ouch i was wrong[07:01:31] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[07:07:33] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:08:11] *** kcj has joined #haiku[07:17:10] <jayrulez> Skipp_OSX: Is haiku's kernel currently capable of hard or soft real-time scheduling?[07:17:24] <Skipp_OSX> jayrulez: I have no idea...[07:18:11] <Skipp_OSX> jayrulez: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/system/kernel/scheduler[07:18:13] <Skipp_OSX> you tell me[07:21:08] *** KernelPatchTeste has joined #haiku[07:21:13] <Skipp_OSX> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheKernelKit_ThreadsAndTeams.html would probably help too[07:21:33] <KernelPatchTeste> so far the patch doesn't seem to cuase the pc to crash[07:24:37] <KernelPatchTeste> gonna enable c1e and see what happens next[07:24:41] *** KernelPatchTeste has quit IRC[07:27:42] <jayrulez> seems soft real time is possible[07:27:53] <jayrulez> any idea which scheduler is used by default?[07:28:26] *** SMCollins1 has joined #haiku[07:28:48] <Skipp_OSX> simple[07:29:00] <Skipp_OSX> or simple_smp[07:31:22] <Skipp_OSX> if you have > 1 processor[07:32:54] <Skipp_OSX> affine is the new hotness but not enabled yet, not sure what it is missing, but something. and trace I think is for debugging only[07:33:36] <SMCollins1> affine, if done properly could be a big benefit some most cpu designs, it should cut down on trashing caches[07:34:04] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[07:34:59] <Skipp_OSX> I know that it lacks HT support, that might be the reason it isn't enabled.[07:35:24] <SMCollins1> its also only intel specific to[07:35:29] <SMCollins1> for a few cpu's[07:48:00] *** ashish__ has joined #haiku[07:49:20] *** handmade has joined #haiku[07:52:44] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[08:04:56] <SMCollins1> is there a secret to getting gobe productive to install on haiku ?[08:11:38] <pulkomandy> yes[08:11:46] <pulkomandy> install on BeOS, copy the app folder over[08:11:52] <pulkomandy> or something like that :)[08:12:12] <pulkomandy> I think the CD is a multitrack one, not sure we handle that yet[08:12:33] *** RQ has joined #haiku[08:12:39] <pulkomandy> (with an ISO track and one BFS-LE and one BFS-BE for BeOS PPC/x86)[08:15:22] <SMCollins1> I can't boot beos[08:16:09] <SMCollins1> personal studio won't run either, how dispointing[08:16:42] *** kcj has quit IRC[08:18:52] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[08:36:56] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:37:27] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[08:49:25] <SMCollins1> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-transcend-pata-upgrade-solid-state-drive,15162.html <--- very cool for people with older pata/ide drives in laptops[08:57:34] *** SMCollins1 has quit IRC[09:04:20] <Premislaus> SMCollins1 maybe BeOS Max http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/app-installation/beos-5-pe-max-edition ??[09:14:20] <pulkomandy> SMCollins: actually I bought an expresscard slot SSD last month, that's much better as I didn't have to remove my existing hard drive[09:14:30] <pulkomandy> (not ready to go with just 48GB of disk space...)[09:30:55] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[09:33:23] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[09:35:41] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[09:35:50] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[09:39:49] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[09:41:11] *** 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installed stuff in /boot/common[10:00:52] <Skipp_OSX> Anarchos: that may or may not get overwritten[10:01:02] <Skipp_OSX> I'm not sure, better to be safe than sorry, copy to your home dir[10:01:11] <Anarchos> Skipp_OSX ok[10:01:15] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[10:01:46] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[10:02:01] <Anarchos> Skipp_OSX ooops wrong window closed sorry[10:04:40] <pulkomandy> Anarchos: tried just replacing libz.so first ?[10:05:01] <Anarchos> pulkomandy it has the same size as the one on the usb key[10:05:38] <pulkomandy> md5sum ?[10:06:04] <pulkomandy> (do we have this on haiku ?)[10:06:49] <Anarchos> i copied it already anyway. Will try to reboot...[10:07:43] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[10:24:50] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[10:25:27] <pmyshkin> I'm trying to get haiku to run on a virtualbox vm[10:25:56] <pmyshkin> and I'm seeing that the boot process is stopped after the message "register_domain(1, internet)"[10:26:25] *** Micc has joined #haiku[10:29:06] <pmyshkin> I can boot into safe mode[10:31:40] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:33:38] <luroh> pmyshkin: tried one of the other NICs?[10:35:32] <pmyshkin> tried intel pro/1000 and amd pcnet[10:36:01] <pmyshkin> I'm going to try enabling each safe mode option and seeing which one is the issue[10:37:30] <pmyshkin> it seems like I just have to enable fail-safe video[10:43:33] *** [r4] has quit IRC[10:49:26] <CIA-37> haiku.master: korli * hrev44021 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=d57a764 : MediaPlayer: use float format for audio frequency (see #8433).[10:51:19] *** mpartipilo has joined #haiku[10:55:08] *** anu_GSOC has quit IRC[10:56:34] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[11:00:24] <pmyshkin> That wasn't it. I had to disable IDE DMA[11:01:40] <pmyshkin> if it's not disabled, haiku will still boot successfully every once in a while though[11:02:19] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[11:03:47] <diver_> pmyshkin: which controller type is used in this vm?[11:04:04] <diver_> hard drive that is[11:04:19] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[11:04:28] <pmyshkin> diver_ I'm using the default IDE controller for virtualbox, PIIX4[11:04:51] <pmyshkin> diver_ I'm going to try switching to SATA and seeing if that's better[11:05:08] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[11:05:29] <diver_> I also use default settings and it works just fine[11:06:13] <pmyshkin> diver_ which version of virtualbox are you running?[11:06:21] <pmyshkin> maybe they changed something?[11:07:13] <pmyshkin> also, maybe your host environment is different. I'm running windows 7 host[11:08:39] <pmyshkin> using a SATA controller seems to work fine[11:08:40] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[11:09:12] *** adev has joined #haiku[11:09:41] <Anarchos> I finally manage to repair my Haiku :)[11:10:50] <diver_> pmyshkin: VirtualBox 4.1.12 PIIX4, ubuntu 10.04[11:11:39] <pmyshkin> diver_ I'm guessing it's the difference between win 7 and ubuntu then[11:12:17] <diver_> that would be my guess too[11:12:41] <pmyshkin> should I file a bug?[11:14:05] <diver_> yes please[11:20:31] <pmyshkin> diver_ but I should probably try it with a build from the newest revision right?[11:20:54] <pmyshkin> I'm using the Alpha 3 release right now[11:21:25] <diver_> yeah[11:22:14] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[11:22:30] <pmyshkin> is there documentation for how to get the latest build?[11:22:56] <diver_> pmyshkin: http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/[11:23:16] <pmyshkin> oh, thanks[11:23:29] <pmyshkin> at least I don't have to compile it myself[11:25:37] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[11:25:40] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[11:26:12] <Anarchos> pmyshkin alpha 3 is a bit old now, much improvements have been maid[11:26:15] <Anarchos> made sorry[11:26:57] <pmyshkin> Anarchos yeah, I'm new to this so I didn't know better[11:29:24] <diver_> pmyshkin: this might be related http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Alpha3/ReleaseAddendum#HaikumayhangatbootinsomeVirtualBoxconfigurations[11:30:06] *** Micc has quit IRC[11:31:22] <pmyshkin> diver_ that is the behavior I'm seeing[11:31:37] <pmyshkin> but the diagnosis is different, I was able to fix this by switching to SATA[11:32:22] <diver_> pmyshkin: maube you can try to enable serial port and switch to IDE to check[11:32:26] <diver_> maybe*[11:32:37] <pmyshkin> I think it's moot[11:32:44] <pmyshkin> the nightly build works fine[11:33:20] <diver_> with IDE?[11:33:24] <pmyshkin> yes[11:33:37] <diver_> ah, ok[11:34:29] <pmyshkin> ha, I love that it boots up in less than 10 seconds[11:35:08] <OmniMancer> it is nice :)[11:35:20] <OmniMancer> not having to start 50000000000000 things[11:36:46] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[11:37:07] *** Luko has joined #haiku[11:38:12] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[11:38:22] *** adev has quit IRC[11:39:51] *** pmyshkin has joined #haiku[11:41:26] *** Luko has quit IRC[12:01:12] <arfonzo> hey all[12:01:33] <arfonzo> diver_ I'm using IDE here as well in virtualbox. SATA also worked for me.[12:02:07] <diver_> okey[12:03:43] <pmyshkin> I'm a little surprised that webpositive has its own tabs[12:04:08] <pmyshkin> why not just open new windows and use the existing tab concept at the OS level?[12:04:24] <arfonzo> diver: I'm trying to compile qtwebkit 2.2.0, it's failing when it tries to build the test browser as it needs fontconfig, do you have any ideas to disable building the tests? I'm not familiar with the QT build files/process :([12:05:30] *** luroh has quit IRC[12:06:23] <diver_> arfonzo: I don't know myself, but I'll ask[12:07:08] <arfonzo> cool, thanks diver_. I tried asking in #qtwebkit but didn't get a response[12:11:01] <pmyshkin> arfonzo, qt is ported to haiku?[12:11:16] <diver_> pmyshkin: http://qt-haiku.ru/[12:12:09] <pmyshkin> diver_, are there other gui toolkit ports?[12:13:39] <diver_> wx-haiku is in early stage[12:14:06] <diver_> and there was gtk1 port from BeOS days[12:15:08] <pmyshkin> don't these ports detract from the native gui api?[12:15:53] <arfonzo> pmyshkin, yes[12:15:56] <pmyshkin> I hate that X11 has several different gui toolkits and you end up having to install all of them because different programs use different ones[12:16:50] <pmyshkin> not to mention you have to learn how to use each one to read people's code[12:21:55] <Skipp_OSX> pmyshkin: there is a QT port which is nativeish[12:22:05] <Skipp_OSX> Not really any other ports[12:22:37] <Skipp_OSX> GTK maybe way back in the day good for AbiWord and that's about it.[12:27:36] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[12:32:36] <pmyshkin> Skipp_OSX, I'm not concerned about look, just the programming model[12:33:08] <pmyshkin> QT's model is completely different from Wx, and I'm assuming gtk is completely different from both of them[12:34:41] <pmyshkin> so now programmers have to learn multiple ways of doing things to understand the source code from various projects[12:37:16] <arfonzo> pmyshkin fair point, but so is choice.[12:38:49] <arfonzo> at the moment, web+ scores horrendously low on html5test.com, being able to build QT and Qupzilla, it scores better than most browsers. I think it's good that users have a choice to use a better browser, for example. That's not to say qupzilla should become haiku's default browser, either.[12:40:10] <pmyshkin> yes, choice is important. I guess it's a difficult trade-off[12:40:19] <arfonzo> agreed[12:40:33] <pmyshkin> also I think people sometimes exercise choice arbitrarily[12:40:51] <arfonzo> agreed.... as they are free to do so ;)[12:41:13] <pmyshkin> for example java programmers I've worked with love to just pull random dependencies into their projects for the most menial tasks[12:41:20] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[12:41:52] <pmyshkin> and it ends up being impossible to build their projects without using their eclipse settings[12:42:44] <arfonzo> yep, I am not really a developer but I run into this type of problem all the time.[12:43:34] <pmyshkin> yeah, you're having a problem with fontconfig right?[12:44:07] <pmyshkin> software is hard ...[12:45:16] <OmniMancer> java must die[12:46:04] <arfonzo> aye, it's a bit over my head, some of it. I have managed to hack up some of the sources for things at a simple level to get them to compile, like arora and qupzilla, but some other things are more troublesome[12:47:40] *** Hubert^ has joined #haiku[12:48:02] <Premislaus> OmniMancer +1[12:50:44] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[12:52:50] <pmyshkin> import universe.localgroup.milkyway.solarsystem.earth.northamerica.us.com.crap.factory[12:53:02] <OmniMancer> ;[12:53:28] <pmyshkin> wouldn't want those intergalactic namespace collisions[12:53:46] <pmyshkin> (java silliness)[12:54:38] <OmniMancer> AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean[12:55:35] <pmyshkin> haha[12:55:47] <pmyshkin> you forgot Impl though[12:56:24] <OmniMancer> AbstractProxyFactoryImplFactoryProxy[12:58:35] <HaikuUser> I have installed nightly44020 - but tracker and deskbar chrashes - any idea ?[12:59:09] *** tqh has joined #haiku[12:59:24] *** Beretta031 is now known as Beretta021[12:59:28] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[12:59:48] <pmyshkin> HaikuUser, it works fine for me[13:00:48] <HaikuUser> ... missing something with Layout_... all Apps chrashes :([13:01:04] <arfonzo> HaikuUser: which media did you install?[13:01:11] <HaikuUser> anyboot[13:01:21] <diver_> HaikuUser: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8452[13:02:03] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[13:02:13] <diver_> HaikuUser: did you change locale settings? If yes then add the second fallback language for now.[13:03:09] <HaikuUser> it can be.. i have changed to german.. i will try. thanks![13:03:37] <diver_> Olta has promised to fix it today[13:04:46] *** HaikuUser has left #haiku[13:09:02] <Anarchos> a simple 13 characters fork bomb in the Terminal crashes haiku :)[13:09:19] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[13:15:00] <pmyshkin> do people gush about how cool the haiku gui is a lot in here?[13:15:19] <pmyshkin> if so I'll refrain from doing it[13:16:19] <Anarchos> pmyshkin i find it cool[13:16:26] <Anarchos> pmyshkin what is "gushing" ?[13:19:12] <pmyshkin> Anarchos, to praise something like a fanboy[13:19:27] <Anarchos> pmyshkin lol[13:20:55] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[13:24:09] <bknoedel> dear diver_ , thanks a lot now 44020 works fine[13:24:43] <diver_> nice to hear :-)[13:25:21] *** Luko has joined #haiku[13:26:40] *** bknoedel has left #haiku[13:27:53] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[13:31:45] *** Luko has quit IRC[13:36:03] *** Hubert^ has quit IRC[13:42:20] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[13:49:03] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[13:49:12] *** luroh has joined #haiku[13:49:31] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[13:49:47] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[13:53:08] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[13:55:22] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[13:57:32] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[14:07:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:07:36] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:08:46] *** jimage has quit IRC[14:11:24] *** jimage has joined #haiku[14:25:11] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[14:44:36] *** yongcong1 has joined #haiku[14:46:37] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[14:47:20] <CIA-37> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44022 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=5c46b17 : (log message trimmed)[14:47:20] <CIA-37> Rework NetworkStatus's status tracking a bit.[14:47:20] <CIA-37> NetworkStatus now tracks the status of each interface separately, and[14:47:20] <CIA-37> uses that information to make correct comparisons for notifications.[14:47:21] <CIA-37> Previously, it would only send notifications using whatever interface[14:47:21] <CIA-37> was last in the enumeration list, and if an earlier interface had a higher[14:47:22] <CIA-37> configuration level than that, the notification would incorrectly be sent[14:48:58] <yongcong> it seems SeanCollins helped to test the AMD C1E workaround patch, it works :P[14:49:01] *** yongcong1 has quit IRC[15:18:25] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[15:26:40] *** debris has joined #haiku[15:26:55] *** debris has left #haiku[15:27:26] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[15:27:34] *** Luko has joined #haiku[15:31:27] <CHORT> is there any way to debug what is causing system freeze ?[15:33:08] <diver_> CHORT: could you describe the symptoms?[15:33:17] *** Luko has quit IRC[15:34:12] <CHORT> trying to download anything big like browser in terminal with installoptionalpackage causing system to lock up , graphics freezes[15:34:47] <diver_> real hardware or vm?[15:34:53] <CHORT> looking in debuger last one was wged...[15:34:58] <CHORT> wget[15:35:15] <CHORT> real , FS lifebook s6010[15:36:03] <diver_> Are you able to enter KDL?[15:36:23] <CHORT> real , FS lifebook s6010+[15:36:29] <CHORT> how?[15:37:18] <diver_> after freeze, that is. Alt-SysRq-d[15:37:25] <CHORT> if its freeze then nothing cna help but hw reboot[15:37:39] <CHORT> lemme try[15:38:00] <CHORT> also i posted in the forums , let me type url[15:38:58] <CHORT> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/few_problems[15:39:23] <CHORT> soryy for noob question , what is SysRq?[15:40:01] <OmniMancer> printscreen key[15:40:22] <OmniMancer> its usually next to pause/break[15:40:26] <OmniMancer> and f12[15:40:32] <OmniMancer> are you on a mac by any chance?[15:40:33] <CHORT> ahh i see , for me its in delete button[15:40:49] <OmniMancer> um no it shouldn't be the delete button[15:40:54] <CHORT> nope Lifebook s6010[15:41:08] <fhein> I think mine says "Druck | S-Abf" or "Pause | Untbr"[15:41:23] <fhein> I don't really understand those German abbreviations[15:41:28] <CHORT> nope Lifebook s6010kdl[15:41:42] <CHORT> damn[15:41:55] <CHORT> anyway i will try to get to kdl[15:42:45] <OmniMancer> CHORT: what key is next to scroll lock?>[15:42:56] <fhein> for you it's [Fn] + Delete though[15:43:08] <fhein> if you have this kind of keyboard http://notebookrepair.co.uk/images/P1020043.JPG[15:43:39] <OmniMancer> ah yes[15:43:46] <OmniMancer> it would be fn+delete[15:44:21] <diver_> CHORT: If you can't get to KDL you can try to open 2 terminals, in the first one type "sleep 30 ; kernel_debugger" and in the 2nd one "installoptionalpackage webpositive".[15:48:35] *** CHORT has quit IRC[15:49:10] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:51:50] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[15:51:58] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[15:52:05] <CHORT> nope[15:52:13] <CHORT> i cant get to KDL[15:52:42] <CHORT> also after first reboot computer lucked up on desktop[15:53:16] <CHORT> aftre second reboot there s no aplets in deskbar[15:53:27] <diver_> checkfs /boot[15:53:33] *** markos_ has quit IRC[15:53:38] <CHORT> something very strange with my laptop[15:53:44] <HaikuUser> running haiku in virtualbox seems quite well[15:54:45] <CHORT> checked , diver_ , thx[15:54:59] <CHORT> lemme reboot[15:55:08] *** CHORT has quit IRC[15:55:15] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[15:56:23] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[15:56:40] <CHORT> no applets near the clock anyway[15:59:14] <CHORT> checking on and off "show replicants" do nothing[15:59:20] *** backb0ne_ has joined #haiku[15:59:44] *** DDevine has quit IRC[15:59:59] <diver_> CHORT: try to start ProcessController manually[16:00:10] <CHORT> yeah just done it[16:00:15] <diver_> CHORT: try kernel_debugger trick[16:00:31] <CHORT> what trick ?[16:00:38] <diver_> CHORT: Try to open 2 terminals, in the first one type "sleep 30 ; kernel_debugger" and in the 2nd one "installoptionalpackage webpositive"[16:00:50] <CHORT> rgr[16:03:10] <CHORT> continue ?[16:04:37] <diver_> huh?[16:05:57] *** CHORT2 has joined #haiku[16:06:21] <CHORT2> erm[16:06:31] <CHORT2> sleep 30 isnt working[16:06:38] <CHORT2> is it in seconds ?[16:07:22] *** CHORT has quit IRC[16:07:48] *** CHORT2 is now known as CHORT[16:09:15] <diver_> yes[16:09:43] <diver_> what do you mean by isn't working?[16:10:08] <CHORT> what it was exactly ?[16:10:28] <CHORT> erm i meant that it got me to KDL to early[16:10:54] <CHORT> i typed "continue" but then system locked[16:10:55] <diver_> well try to increase sleep time then[16:11:00] <CHORT> yep[16:11:22] <CHORT> can you type that again ?[16:11:39] <diver_> sleep 60 ; kernel_debugger[16:13:36] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:13:54] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[16:17:45] *** CHORT has quit IRC[16:19:00] *** backb0ne_ has quit IRC[16:21:57] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[16:22:20] <CHORT> kernel_debbuger trick is not working[16:22:43] <CHORT> laptops locks so hard so i need to reboot it manualy[16:22:45] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:23:15] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[16:23:31] <CHORT> i think its something to do with video or network[16:23:39] <CHORT> driver or something[16:25:03] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[16:25:24] <diver_> CHORT: so you can't get into KDL?[16:25:30] <CHORT> no[16:25:38] <CHORT> i cant get to KDL[16:26:03] <CIA-37> haiku.master: nielx * hrev44023 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=531ae0a : Update translations from Pootle.[16:26:43] *** jimage has quit IRC[16:27:58] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:28:04] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[16:28:51] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[16:30:16] <diver_> CHORT: well you can try to wget http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/WebPositive-gcc4-x86-r585-2012-03-30.zip[16:30:31] <diver_> and if it still freezes that check if Alpha 3 had the same issue[16:30:42] *** jimage has joined #haiku[16:32:46] *** duvjones has quit IRC[16:32:46] *** CHORT_ has joined #haiku[16:32:58] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[16:33:02] *** CHORT has quit IRC[16:33:18] <CHORT_> diver_ , do you have any other ideas?[16:33:42] *** CHORT_ is now known as CHORT[16:34:55] <diver_> CHORT: you can try to wget http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/WebPositive-gcc4-x86-r585-2012-03-30.zip[16:34:55] <diver_> and if it still freezes that check if Alpha 3 had the same issue[16:35:24] <CHORT> yep Alpha do the same[16:35:32] <luroh> CHORT: in vbox, do you have IO APIC enabled?[16:35:43] <CHORT> ive tried different nighty bilds[16:35:56] <CHORT> luroh real hw[16:36:08] <luroh> oh sorry :)[16:36:13] <CHORT> np)[16:37:09] <diver_> CHORT: how many cores do you have?[16:37:15] <CHORT> 1[16:37:22] <CHORT> its pentium 3[16:37:27] <diver_> ah[16:38:10] <CHORT> its small old laptop , i though it will be perfect for Haiku[16:38:16] <diver_> do you have another pc around?[16:38:44] <CHORT> win xp is running perfectly on it ( as perfect as win can run)[16:38:51] <CHORT> yes i do[16:39:23] <luroh> CHORT: any chance you have a BIOS setting that lets you disable "plug-and-play OS"?[16:39:52] <CHORT> yes there is that setting , right now set to PnP yes[16:40:04] <luroh> try disabling that one[16:40:07] <diver_> CHORT: do you have serial ports in both of them?[16:40:10] <CHORT> ok[16:40:35] <diver_> also pastebin your syslog[16:40:37] <CHORT> diver_ nope[16:40:50] <CHORT> this laptop dont have serial[16:41:04] <CHORT> this laptop dont have serial?[16:41:08] <CHORT> paste what ?[16:41:18] <CHORT> damn small keyboard))[16:42:15] <diver_> http://pastebin.com your http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs#Syslog[16:42:30] <CHORT> KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_new_state_locked: SCAN -> SCAN (nrunning 0 nscanning 0) KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] sta_pick_bss: no scan candidate KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: done, restart [ticks 404707, dwell min 400000 scanend 2147883064] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_newstate_cb: SCAN -> SCAN arg 0[16:42:30] <CHORT> KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] sta_newstate: SCAN -> SCAN (0) KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_check_scan: active scan, append KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] start_scan_locked: active scan already in progress KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 12b -> 1b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_new_state_locked: SCAN -> SCAN (nrunning 0 nscanning 0) KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node[16:42:30] <CHORT> (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 1b -> 6b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 6b -> 11b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748)[16:42:30] <CHORT> 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 11b -> 7b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 7b -> 13b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3>[16:42:30] <CHORT> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 13b -> 2b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 2b -> 3b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN:[16:42:30] <CHORT> [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 3b -> 4b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 4b -> 5b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task:[16:42:30] <CHORT> chan 5b -> 8b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 8b -> 9b [active, dwell min 400ms max 0ms] KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] ieee80211_ref_node (ieee80211_send_probereq:1748) 0x820f4e00<00:e0:00:d1:03:a3> refcnt 3 KERN: [net/wavelanwifi/0] scan_task: chan 9b -> 10b [active,[16:42:30] *** CHORT has quit IRC[16:42:58] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[16:43:05] <CHORT> sorry for that[16:43:40] <CHORT> diver_, what paste and where?[16:44:40] <diver_> http://pastebin.com your http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs#Syslog[16:45:06] <CHORT> i need browser for that ?[16:46:05] <diver_> yep[16:46:14] <CHORT> i dont have one ))[16:46:30] <diver_> does it also freeze if you wget http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/WebPositive-gcc4-x86-r585-2012-03-30.zip ?[16:49:10] *** CHORT_ has joined #haiku[16:49:50] <CHORT_> diver_ , could you please post it wget link again ?[16:50:09] <CHORT_> disabled PNP in bios[16:51:28] *** CHORT has quit IRC[16:51:40] *** CHORT_ is now known as CHORT[16:51:49] <luroh> CHORT: wget http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/WebPositive-gcc4-x86-r585-2012-03-30.zip[16:53:41] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[16:54:05] *** CHORT2 has joined #haiku[16:54:23] <CHORT2> yes wget freezes too[16:54:30] <CHORT2> at 60%[16:56:14] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:56:16] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[16:56:29] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:56:34] <diver_> so it's likely network related then[16:56:50] *** CHORT has quit IRC[16:56:56] <CHORT2> not sure[16:57:13] <CHORT2> sometimes tis freezes just in case :)[16:57:45] *** Per_Vers has joined #haiku[16:57:45] *** Per_Vers has left #haiku[16:58:22] <diver_> delete wavelanwifi just in case[16:58:44] <diver_> but first disable it in Network preflet[16:59:13] *** falktx has joined #haiku[16:59:43] <Premislaus> diver_ does not know why some people just have problems with wi-fi? bug in freebsd comaptiblity layer?[17:00:00] <CHORT2> disabled[17:00:59] <diver_> Premislaus: this and acpi/irq problems in the kernel[17:01:06] <CHORT2> will try now to get browser[17:01:23] <CHORT2> i think its acpi too[17:01:49] <Premislaus> diver_ no chance to repair this before the alpha 4?[17:02:13] <diver_> I'm not a dev, but I don't think so[17:02:23] <CHORT2> funny but just sitting here in mirc or /and doing nothing wont freeze laptop[17:03:23] <diver_> CHORT2: try to connect using your wireless card instead of ethernet and try to download web+[17:03:41] <CHORT2> what is web+ ?[17:03:47] <diver_> webpositive[17:03:52] <CHORT2> wireless dont work[17:04:03] <diver_> how do you know?[17:04:31] <CHORT2> first of all its only work with wep[17:04:49] <diver_> all?[17:04:51] <CHORT2> and i dont want to change router to wep from WPA[17:05:16] <diver_> wpa_supplicant can connect to WPA[17:05:19] <CHORT2> second wifi cant even get aviable networks[17:05:41] <CHORT2> yes but this card cant work with it even in windows[17:06:38] <diver_> well for the sake of it, try wep to rule out driver issue[17:06:41] <CHORT2> just getting list of aviable packages wont freeze system , small traffic is ok[17:06:53] <CHORT2> processor at 100% is ok[17:07:06] <CHORT2> running video demo is ok[17:07:21] <diver_> try to boot with disabled acpi[17:07:30] <CHORT2> acpi / irq or ntwork[17:08:00] <CHORT2> ok i will try to download something and nex boot will disable acpi[17:08:49] <diver_> "ifconfig /dev/net/wavelanwifi/0 list" should list available networks[17:09:06] <CHORT2> tried that[17:09:10] <CHORT2> no efect[17:09:22] <CHORT2> DANG[17:09:29] <CHORT2> IM GETTING BROWSER[17:09:34] <CHORT2> hurrey[17:10:18] <diver_> sync[17:10:45] <CHORT2> what ?[17:11:26] <CHORT2> oh guys WEBPOSITIVE working !!![17:11:32] <CHORT2> daaaamn[17:11:48] <CHORT2> thank you for your time and for your help[17:12:03] * CHORT2 doing happy dance[17:12:12] <diver_> sync in terminal until it freeze again[17:12:30] <CHORT2> what is sync ?[17:12:49] <diver_> is a command which syncs cache to disk[17:13:02] <diver_> otherwise you can loose new data (most likely webpositive)[17:13:10] <CHORT2> ahh[17:13:12] <CHORT2> thx[17:13:16] <CHORT2> got you[17:14:18] <CHORT2> now what it was ? disabled PnP in bios ? or disabled wifi in network preferences?[17:15:24] <diver_> try to download something else[17:15:56] <diver_> using wget as downloading webpositive is much slower due to buggy curl backend[17:16:59] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:17:25] <CHORT2> now how can i get sound to work ? :)[17:17:37] <CHORT2> mediaplayer wont play mp3[17:18:16] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[17:19:30] <CHORT2> trying to download demopackage_audio[17:19:37] <CHORT2> still here:)[17:20:24] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[17:20:56] <CHORT2> also how can i get CPUFrequency program to show me CPU speed?[17:20:57] *** ashish__ has quit IRC[17:21:14] *** CHORT2 is now known as CHORT[17:23:56] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[17:24:33] *** jstressman has quit IRC[17:24:50] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:25:28] <CHORT> hmm[17:25:37] <CHORT> its still downloading[17:25:51] <CHORT> is it that big?[17:26:21] <diver_> didn't wget tell you the size?[17:26:48] <CHORT> sorry i getiing it with installoptionalpackage[17:27:40] <diver_> ahh[17:28:20] <CHORT> also getting bezzila with webpositive downloader[17:29:54] <diver_> demopackage_audio is 272Mb[17:30:01] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[17:31:08] <CHORT> ahh so it will take some time[17:32:20] <diver_> CHORT: but it's still interesting to know what cured these freezes[17:32:50] <CHORT> yes[17:33:02] <CHORT> two thing we have done[17:33:28] <CHORT> one of it cured problem[17:34:41] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[17:34:49] <CHORT> just for getting it clear ill enable wifi back , when ill get that big package[17:35:34] <diver_> so what's up with audio?[17:35:57] <diver_> yuo can http://imagebin.org screenshot of Meida preflet[17:36:24] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[17:41:03] <CHORT> http://imagebin.org/208075[17:41:08] <CHORT> took some time[17:41:25] <CHORT> is that what you wanted me to screenshot ?[17:42:50] <diver_> yes[17:42:58] <diver_> so you can't hear any sound?[17:43:06] <CHORT> nope[17:43:36] <CHORT> mediaplayer dont even move slader when i try to open mp3 fil[17:43:40] <CHORT> file[17:43:55] <diver_> what about VLC?[17:44:00] <CHORT> vlc seems to play but without sound[17:44:05] *** Huggy has quit IRC[17:44:26] <arfonzo> hm, apparently I'm seeing this now as well[17:44:30] <SMCollins> can you go into prefrences media and see which audio configuration you have setup ?[17:44:47] <arfonzo> it was never an issue on my older hrev, but now i have a different machine, newer hrev[17:44:48] <SMCollins> I have the fix for both of you[17:45:20] <arfonzo> in Audio settings > audio input and output are "Auich ICH"[17:45:30] <arfonzo> Channel: output 0[17:45:39] <diver_> auich driver[17:45:40] <CHORT> same[17:46:43] <diver_> https://dev.haiku-os.org/query?status=assigned&status=in-progress&status=new&status=reopened&component=Drivers%2FAudio%2Fauich&order=priority[17:47:09] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[17:47:49] <diver_> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7284#comment:2[17:48:05] <CHORT> http://imagebin.org/208077[17:48:25] <SMCollins> i'll pastebin the content of auich.zip[17:48:49] <CHORT> ive tryed that[17:48:53] <CHORT> no effect[17:49:11] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[17:49:55] <SMCollins> http://pastebin.com/PEdndLYN[17:50:17] <diver_> CHORT: CPUFrequency only supports a small subset of cpus with SpeedStep technology, so if it shows ?? in Deskbar replicant you can just quit it from there and forget about it.[17:50:48] <arfonzo> SMCollins: all the lines are commented?[17:50:53] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:50:58] <SMCollins> oh[17:51:28] <arfonzo> diver ref'd a post with those lines, the first three uncommented, I'll try that[17:52:07] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[17:52:34] <CHORT> diver_ i see[17:52:47] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[17:53:10] <SMCollins> http://pastebin.com/KnBeXF3J[17:53:12] <CHORT> no effect for me with that auich.settings[17:53:12] <SMCollins> there ya go[17:53:29] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[17:53:33] <SMCollins> does your laptop have a dock port ?[17:53:40] <SMCollins> I assume this is a laptop[17:53:41] <CHORT> nope[17:53:45] <diver_> have you tried to reboot?[17:53:46] <CHORT> yes it is[17:53:59] <CHORT> restarted media server[17:54:01] <SMCollins> what model is it ?[17:54:05] <arfonzo> I've just rebooted, no joy. It's virtualbox VM here.[17:54:15] <CHORT> also ive done that setting file yesterday[17:54:18] <SMCollins> ohh, virtualbox ?[17:54:22] <CHORT> so yes i resterted[17:54:34] <SMCollins> what model laptop is it ?[17:54:46] <CHORT> FS lifebook s6010[17:55:01] <diver_> arfonzo: then it's something with VM settings and you don't need this settings file[17:55:13] <arfonzo> SMCollins, yep. Strange thing is, my other virtualbox VM on another machine had no such issues.[17:55:24] <arfonzo> diver_: ok. I'll check the audio settings of the VM again[17:55:32] <SMCollins> nothing better then a 2up situation[17:56:04] <diver_> CHORT: you can try to rename auich driver to auich.disabled and installoptionalpackage opensound[17:56:12] <SMCollins> CHORT: hey, does your bios offer codec selection ? ie ac97. intel etc ?[17:56:36] <CHORT> nope SMCollins[17:56:41] <arfonzo> diver_: it's ICH AC97 audio here, doesn't that work?[17:57:31] * SMCollins searchs for chipset specifications[17:57:39] <diver_> arfonzo: I have the same and it works here[17:57:57] <arfonzo> i think opensound is installed, could this be messing with it?[17:58:01] <CHORT> btw do i need codecs ?[17:58:04] <diver_> arfonzo: yes[17:58:13] <diver_> CHORT: no[17:58:21] <CHORT> rgr[17:58:58] <CHORT> so mediaplayer should play mp3 by default ?[17:59:03] <diver_> yes[17:59:17] <arfonzo> how do I remove opensound?[17:59:20] <CHORT> but it wont even move slider[17:59:44] <diver_> arfonzo: there is no uninstaller[17:59:50] <arfonzo> sweet[17:59:53] <CIA-37> haiku.master: zooey * hrev44024 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=eaa5e09 : (log message trimmed)[17:59:53] <CIA-37> Fix #8452 (app's crashing for non-existent system catalog) [4 commits][17:59:53] <CIA-37> * make the system catalog a BCatalog instead of a BCatalogAddOn*,[17:59:53] <CIA-37> such that using a non-existing system catalog won't crash but[17:59:53] <CIA-37> simply return the untranslated string instead[17:59:54] <CIA-37> * rename MutableLocaleRoster::GetSystemCatalog() to LoadSystemCatalog()[17:59:55] <CIA-37> and adjust it to use BCatalog::SetTo() in order to replace the[18:00:01] <diver_> CHORT: ffmpeg plugin contains all the codecs you need[18:00:09] <SMCollins> looks like intel 830mg chipset[18:00:11] <CHORT> ok[18:00:15] <CHORT> yes[18:00:28] <diver_> CHORT: again, rename auich driver to auich.disabled and installoptionalpackage opensound[18:00:48] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[18:01:23] <arfonzo> diver_ can I remove the files it installed one by one? or has it configured something as well[18:01:26] *** falktx has quit IRC[18:01:55] <diver_> arfonzo: you can[18:02:12] <SMCollins> ich3 audio, tyring to look it up[18:02:40] <arfonzo> cool, what's the URL for all the optional packages? I guess I'll have to wget it and check out the files.[18:03:18] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:03:24] <diver_> arfonzo: http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/opensound-4.2-x86-gcc2-2011-05-31.zip[18:03:38] <arfonzo> great, thanks diver_[18:03:43] <diver_> np[18:04:35] <SMCollins> CHORT: there a bunch of errata on particular models of ich3, apparently they had some variants[18:05:03] <CHORT> yes i agree[18:05:23] <CHORT> so SMCollins , opensound then ?[18:05:27] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[18:06:09] <SMCollins> I doubt opensound will work, there apparently some alsa tweaks for a few of the variants[18:06:35] <SMCollins> http://forums.driverguide.com/showthread.php?t=28292 <--- any of these device id look similar ?[18:07:02] <SMCollins> you should be able to look in devices under applications[18:08:12] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:08:17] <SMCollins> or listdev in terminal should work to[18:09:10][18:09:15] <CHORT> ups[18:09:21] <CHORT> wrong paste[18:09:35] <CHORT> device Multimedia controller (Multimedia audio controller) [4|1|0] vendor 8086: Intel Corporation device 2485: 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller[18:10:09] *** yongcong has quit IRC[18:10:47] <SMCollins> ok, a fix I found on one of the website, recomened using the hda driver instead, to do this however, you'd have to remove the auich driver and reboot[18:11:05] <SMCollins> i don't know if haiku driver detection will allow that however[18:11:20] <CHORT> how can i remove driver?[18:11:27] <SMCollins> you'd have to remove the driver and the link for it[18:11:31] <SMCollins> its really easy[18:12:03] <SMCollins> goto boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin remove the auich driver "move it to the desktop[18:12:33] *** _marc` has quit IRC[18:12:40] <humdinger> Or put it into Trash, the you can easily "Restore" it from there.[18:12:42] <SMCollins> then goto boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/audio/hwmulti remove the auich driver link "move it to the desktop[18:13:01] <SMCollins> I don't know if the hda driver will pick it up, but it might[18:13:12] <diver_> SMCollins: this is wrong, hda driver doesn't support this card[18:13:32] <SMCollins> hda supports ac97[18:13:36] <SMCollins> iirc[18:13:51] <diver_> nope[18:14:01] <SMCollins> it should[18:14:03] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[18:15:19] <diver_> CHORT: the only option for you is to try OSS[18:15:39] <SMCollins> he will still have to remove the auich driver to avoid irq conflicts[18:15:41] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:15:53] * SMCollins has run into that problem before[18:16:33] <humdinger> FWIW, for me listdev says: N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller[18:16:47] <humdinger> and listimage: /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/audio/hmulti/hda 0x807d0000 0x807da000[18:17:01] <humdinger> oops[18:17:03] <SMCollins> chort has a ich3[18:17:12] <humdinger> I misread the "ac97"?[18:17:13] <SMCollins> and apperently theres a ton of variants[18:17:40] <humdinger> No, I haven't been drinking in broad daylight... :)[18:17:52] <CHORT> :)[18:18:46] * SMCollins lols at humdinger[18:18:56] * SMCollins offer humdinger a beer[18:19:12] * humdinger takes it greatfully[18:19:23] * SMCollins does a keg stand[18:20:50] *** CHORT_ has joined #haiku[18:21:23] <CHORT_> lol guys guess what happend when i moved auich file to trash ?[18:21:27] <CHORT_> ;)[18:21:32] <CHORT_> locked up[18:21:46] <SMCollins> yeah, that can happen, is it still in the trash ?[18:21:51] <CHORT_> nope[18:22:01] <CHORT_> its in the place[18:22:03] <SMCollins> dammit, reboot in safe mode[18:22:09] <SMCollins> trash that driver[18:22:10] <CHORT_> ok[18:22:29] <CHORT_> what was second line what i neede to trash ?[18:22:34] *** KAZENOMANAZAS has joined #haiku[18:22:39] <KAZENOMANAZAS> el[18:22:39] *** CHORT has quit IRC[18:22:41] <KAZENOMANAZAS> psy[18:22:46] <KAZENOMANAZAS> congroo[18:22:50] <SMCollins> the link[18:23:00] *** KAZENOMANAZAS has left #haiku[18:23:05] <CHORT_> repeat it please[18:23:07] <diver_> CHORT_: that's why I said to rename it[18:23:19] <CHORT_> heh[18:23:22] <diver_> so that you don't had that lock[18:23:23] <SMCollins> boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/audio/hwmulti auicj[18:23:27] <CIA-37> haiku.master: tqh * hrev44025 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=cc586f1 : (log message trimmed)[18:23:27] <CIA-37> x86: AMD C1E with no ARAT(Always Running APIC Timer) idle support[18:23:27] <CIA-37> AMD C1E is a BIOS controlled C3 state. Certain processors families[18:23:27] <CIA-37> may cut off TSC and the lapic timer when it is in a deep C state,[18:23:27] <CIA-37> including C1E state, thus the cpu can't be waken up and system will hang.[18:23:28] <CIA-37> This patch firstly adds the support of idle selection during boot. Then[18:23:29] <CIA-37> it implements amdc1e_noarat_idle() routine which checks the MSR which[18:23:36] <CHORT_> will try[18:23:52] <SMCollins> auich[18:24:58] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[18:26:04] <CHORT_> renamed files[18:26:09] <CHORT_> rebooting[18:26:12] <CHORT_> brb[18:26:17] <diver_> restart media services[18:26:21] <CHORT_> done[18:26:25] <diver_> you don't need to reboot[18:26:29] <CHORT_> ahh[18:26:30] <CHORT_> ok[18:26:42] <CHORT_> so whats now?[18:26:50] <CHORT_> open sound or that hda?[18:27:00] <CHORT_> or whatever it as[18:27:02] <diver_> installoptionalpackage opensound[18:27:02] <CHORT_> wa[18:27:06] <diver_> and reboot[18:27:57] *** burnix has joined #haiku[18:28:06] <burnix> hello[18:28:15] <burnix> someone not sleeping ???[18:28:33] * humdinger is wide awake[18:29:15] <arfonzo> ok, my sound is sorted now. yikes. Have to remember to not do that again.[18:29:22] <burnix> i have some question on the nightly build[18:30:21] <burnix> i have try to install the stable release alpha 3 on a pc an all was ok on the first run[18:30:58] <burnix> but when i try with the latest buils i have bug after the condition agreament[18:31:30] <humdinger> (it's a welcome text, no EULA :)[18:31:36] <humdinger> What's the bug?[18:31:48] <SMCollins> woot c1e patch was applied[18:31:59] <burnix> just a second i start the computer[18:32:29] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[18:32:37] *** CHORT_ has quit IRC[18:32:43] <CHORT> its crashed again[18:33:00] <CHORT> seems wifi wasnt disabled[18:33:56] <SMCollins> you got a kernel panic during the install of open sound ?[18:34:11] <SMCollins> reboot should cure that[18:35:01] <burnix> installer has encountered an error an error wich prevent .........[18:35:29] <burnix> to make have a good screen vision i have tot choose to boot i safe mode[18:35:52] <burnix> do i have to disable apic acpi or other thing ??[18:36:22] <diver_> burnix: use default language, or what for hrev44024 or later nightly[18:36:31] *** Asif has joined #haiku[18:36:38] <CHORT> no kernel panic[18:36:50] <CHORT> laptop freezes as before[18:37:04] <CHORT> right in installing opensound[18:37:06] <tqh> SMCollins, the patch is slightly modified, so please test that c1e works.[18:37:07] <Asif> hi..when is next haiku realease[18:37:11] <burnix> a ok i have to just install without langage chosing ???[18:37:33] <diver_> burnix: try it[18:37:38] <humdinger> Asif: nobody knows...[18:37:56] <burnix> ok just 1 min i reboot the pc to try, thanks[18:38:07] <SMCollins> tqh: will do when I get home tonight, thanks for applying it, I plan to test this one next http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8451[18:38:21] <SMCollins> try to test some of these patchs to get them out of trac[18:38:26] <Asif> humdinger, so r3 is current..?[18:38:44] <humdinger> Asif: it's the last official release...[18:38:55] <humdinger> Asif: But you could of course try a nightly image...[18:38:58] <tqh> SMCollins, they are on my todo list as well.[18:39:07] <tqh> please test them[18:39:20] <SMCollins> tqh: well I will have time to test and build, so I can at least give them a once over[18:39:39] <SMCollins> tqh: at least watch for regressions at a minimum[18:39:42] *** Asif has quit IRC[18:39:52] <tqh> that would be nice.[18:40:25] <SMCollins> I don't mind, I just realize there are around 100 atchs "some of which are just drafts" that could be tested[18:40:41] <SMCollins> I'll test the ones that look decent and update the tickets[18:40:53] <SMCollins> be good to get these out of trac if they solve problems[18:41:40] <tqh> I agree[18:41:57] <CHORT> so i installed opensound[18:42:05] <CHORT> restarted media server[18:42:16] <diver_> reboot[18:42:20] <CHORT> mediaplayer seems to play now[18:42:27] <CHORT> but no sound[18:42:36] <CHORT> do i need to reboot ?[18:42:38] <SMCollins> headphone output ?[18:42:39] <diver_> yes[18:42:44] <SMCollins> you may need to reboot yes[18:42:49] <CHORT> ok[18:42:51] <CHORT> brb[18:42:52] *** CHORT has quit IRC[18:43:14] <SMCollins> tqh: anything else you want tested ? specific tickets ?[18:43:43] <SMCollins> tqh: if so I'll give you my email and you can email me the list[18:44:30] <burnix> ok diver it works the install was ok[18:44:34] *** markos_ has quit IRC[18:45:05] <tqh> No, I don't really have a list. I'd look at those that can fix problems for many and that are major.[18:45:24] <burnix> but i have problem with video (green screen), what i can try to resolve that (screen resolution problem ???)[18:45:59] <SMCollins> tqh: that might be easy for you[18:46:10] <SMCollins> I'll test anything that looks clean, and relevant[18:46:11] <diver_> burnix: now you can change your locale, but you have to add the second fallback language. And don't use "Translate applications and folder names" option.[18:46:43] <diver_> burnix: green screen when playing video?[18:46:57] <burnix> langage was not a problem i can stay in english[18:47:11] <burnix> no green screen always[18:47:12] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[18:47:21] <CHORT> so its works[18:47:28] <burnix> i see the mouse cursor and text but it's horrible[18:47:32] <CHORT> heavily depends on CPU[18:47:44] <CHORT> crackes and so on but playes[18:47:46] <burnix> i fail safe video for install it works[18:47:56] <burnix> in failsafe[18:48:06] <diver_> burnix: screenshot? what video card is it?[18:48:13] <diver_> ah[18:48:21] <CHORT> tnax again GODs OF HAIKU , diver_ and SMCollins :D[18:49:51] <burnix> no screenshot possible because it was on another machine[18:50:03] * humdinger sacrifices a goat[18:50:11] <burnix> the card was ati 5600 pcie[18:50:16] <arfonzo> haha[18:51:35] <diver_> CHORT: so it was wavelanwifi driver which caused deadlocks?[18:51:46] <CHORT> seems so[18:52:04] <burnix> it's strange because with official build all was ok[18:52:09] * SMCollins accepts sacrifice and bless's humdinger with loose women and alcoholic beverages[18:52:15] <diver_> CHORT: would be nice if you file a ticket about this problem http://dev.haiku-os.org/[18:52:29] <CHORT> will do[18:52:38] <CHORT> and ill post on forums too[18:52:39] <humdinger> Finally! A religion that works![18:52:44] <diver_> burnix: A3 didn't have radeon_hd driver yet[18:53:10] <CHORT> not right now but will do[18:53:35] <CHORT> i should go now , cya[18:53:37] *** CHORT has quit IRC[18:54:39] <luroh> burnix: like diver_ said, that's a card that likely would behave better with a recent nightly build (which would include the radeon_hd driver)[18:55:00] <diver_> burnix: please report this in http://dev.haiku-os.org/ and attach your syslog right after boot. then you can rename radeon_hd driver to radeon_hd.disabled and reboot[18:56:31] <burnix> so you think that in the a3 there is no driver so it work in failsafe mode, and in the latest buils it was include and make problems ????[18:56:32] <diver_> luroh: it seems that he has this bug with current nightly[18:56:44] <diver_> burnix: right[18:56:47] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:56:57] <luroh> oh, i see[18:57:01] <burnix> so where i can disable the radeon driver ??? (newbie)[18:57:33] <diver_> search for radeon_hd[18:57:39] <SMCollins> which radeon_hd card do you have ?[18:57:44] <diver_> alt+f on desktop[18:58:12] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[18:58:37] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[18:59:17] <burnix> ATI RADEON HD5670[18:59:24] <burnix> http://www.europ-computer.com/materiel-informatique-TULCV015048.html[19:01:16] <burnix> ok thanks. i come bak to be (i have buy a long a go the beos 4.5)[19:01:57] <diver_> burnix: don't forget to file a ticket about your problem[19:02:29] *** PasNox has quit IRC[19:03:13] <SMCollins> ah yes, burnix, I have a driver revision that should work for you brb[19:04:52] <SMCollins> http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/8322/43489%20radeon_hd%20functional%205xxxx.zip <----this driver revision may work if so please add your test info to the ticket http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8322[19:05:08] <SMCollins> you'll need to replace the accelerant and the driver[19:05:33] <SMCollins> both are in the zip file[19:05:42] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:06:16] <diver_> SMCollins: he seems to have a different problem, tho.[19:08:46] <SMCollins> diver_: sorry haven't been following closely[19:10:39] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[19:11:58] <burnix> ok i'm going to try, but how i replace the drivers and the accelerant ?? (sorry but this is my first day on haiku)[19:12:40] <burnix> i have too on the board a dvb-s2 card. Any chance it work ??[19:12:43] <SMCollins> ooh, yeah unzip them, and then place the driver radeon_hd where you renamed radeon_hd[19:12:55] <SMCollins> and the accelerant goe in boot/home/add-ons/accelerants[19:13:08] <SMCollins> you can just copy them over[19:13:42] <SMCollins> radeon_hd and radeon_hd.accelerant[19:14:13] <burnix> sorry for my big list of question[19:14:21] <burnix> ok it's very simple[19:14:23] <SMCollins> no problem, I;ve asked plenty myseld[19:15:09] *** me-1 has joined #haiku[19:15:37] <me-1> hi..will haiku work on laptop pentium 3 with 128 mb ram..?[19:15:43] <diver_> this way he will have two sets of accelerants. one in /system/add-ons/accelerant and another in /boot/home/add-ons/accelerants[19:16:19] <SMCollins> me-1: yes, provided it supports the hardware[19:16:24] <diver_> me-1: it should, but it will be very slow[19:16:26] <SMCollins> diver: cuaght me[19:16:48] <diver_> ;-)[19:16:55] <SMCollins> burnix: here http://www.filedump.net/dumped/screenshot41334423746.png http://www.filedump.net/dumped/screenshot51334423746.png[19:16:59] <me-1> SMCollins, live Cd works fine but slow[19:16:59] <SMCollins> good save diver[19:17:07] <SMCollins> should be ok then[19:17:30] <SMCollins> it will run much faster off the live cd, thats likely a very slow drive in a machine that old[19:18:32] <SMCollins> I run haiku on my pentium m cf-29 toughbook, runs a circle around windows[19:18:37] <me-1> SMCollins, yes but haiku was looking refreshngly good on that windows 98 machine[19:18:42] <SMCollins> basically a 1.3ghz pentium 3[19:19:02] * SMCollins vommits at thought of window98[19:19:14] <CIA-37> buildtools.master: kallisti5 * btrev43031 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/buildtools/commit/?id=2dc1975 : (log message trimmed)[19:19:14] <CIA-37> gcc: Avoid out-of-scope access of newv.[19:19:14] <CIA-37> * Cherry-picked regression fix from gcc 4.6 mainline[19:19:14] <CIA-37> * Simple 2 line change.[19:19:14] <CIA-37> * GCC 4.7+ compiling gcc 4.6 would fail[19:19:15] <CIA-37> * GCC bug 51969[19:19:15] <CIA-37> * Fix was added to gcc 4.6-mainline via rev 184239[19:19:40] <SMCollins> I spent $1500 upgrading a piece of industrial quipment, to get away from windows 98, and it was worth every peny, I moved to windows xp[19:19:57] <burnix> smcollins : thanks, i dont think it was so simple[19:19:58] <me-1> SMCollins, no mine is IBM thinkpad t20 564 mhz[19:20:22] <SMCollins> burnix, just unzip and copy the contents from the link to the locations I gave you screen shots of[19:20:32] <burnix> why trash w98 on industrial equipment, it work like a charm[19:20:32] <SMCollins> me-1: wow thats old[19:21:08] <SMCollins> w98 was cuasing me grief, it had to go , networking issues mostly, no interoperability between machines, sharing a printer was a chore and my software was no longer servieablce[19:21:11] <me-1> SMCollins, old but very reliable and graceful mchine it is from year 1999[19:21:12] <pulkomandy> well we had one Pentium166MMX at BeGeistert this year[19:21:16] <pulkomandy> (but not running Haiku)[19:21:36] <SMCollins> pulkomandy: you running beos ?[19:21:37] <me-1> pulkomandy, run haiku on it[19:21:56] <pulkomandy> SMCollins: not mine[19:22:08] <SMCollins> was it running beos ?[19:22:09] <pulkomandy> but, I still have one BeOS install around somewhere yes[19:22:15] <pulkomandy> (not that I use it much)[19:22:17] <pulkomandy> yes[19:22:23] <SMCollins> you should help me with my gobe problem :-P[19:22:28] <burnix> i come bak in 5 minutes (haiku dont like KVM)[19:22:36] <SMCollins> kvm ?[19:22:39] <pulkomandy> BeOS is more at ease with low memory and slow cpu, for there is no double buffering and there is 2D acceleration[19:22:51] *** me-1 has quit IRC[19:22:51] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:22:58] <SMCollins> ahh, beos had 2d accel ? I didn't know that[19:23:00] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[19:23:00] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:23:46] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[19:23:46] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[19:23:58] <SMCollins> I marvel at the possiabilitys for compsiting and 3d accel[19:24:49] <SMCollins> now if someone would just code up a version of 3dmix or find the source, the world would be in perfect harmony[19:26:33] *** [r4] has quit IRC[19:27:49] <diver_> SMCollins: what would you do with the source?[19:28:07] <diver_> I think I have it somewhere[19:30:33] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[19:31:01] <burnix> KVM = system to share the same k/m on a lot of machines[19:31:54] <burnix> so when i do that Haiku completely freeze[19:32:17] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:34:38] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[19:36:35] *** ubuntu-test has joined #haiku[19:37:28] <SMCollins> diver_: for 3dmix ?[19:37:35] <diver_> yep[19:37:37] <SMCollins> I would compile it on haiku and use it ![19:38:05] <diver_> can't you use the one from BeOS itself?[19:38:22] <SMCollins> no, it doesn't like the media server or some such thing, it also hangs etc[19:38:32] <SMCollins> I think its just not ever gonna work right[19:38:48] <SMCollins> I have tried every binary I could find to[19:39:03] <SMCollins> I'd love to find the source for pebbles and bambam audio editors[19:39:07] <diver_> it hangs in BeOS as well[19:39:11] *** mpartipilo has quit IRC[19:39:12] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:40:45] <SMCollins> well, it'd be nice to fix it and make it useful[19:40:54] <SMCollins> not that I could fix it[19:42:12] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[19:42:43] *** klstreet has joined #haiku[19:43:39] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[19:44:44] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:46:09] <klstreet> can any one here help me get my graphics card working? its intel GMA3150 on an acer aspire one and on boot I get either a blank white screen or a one pixel wide line at top of screen. I've tried all of the fixes on the bug tracker and none of them seem to work for me[19:47:16] <diver_> klstreet: is this with latest nightly?[19:50:46] *** vpelletier has joined #haiku[19:50:49] <vpelletier> hi[19:51:03] <vpelletier> is it possible to upgrade an alpha1 install using alpha3 cd ?[19:51:29] <diver_> should be possible, yes[19:51:43] <vpelletier> well, actually the installer doesn't seem so happy, and just barfed[19:52:06] <vpelletier> I have the gdb prompt, interested ni a debugging session ?[19:52:26] <klstreet> diver_: both with latest nightlies, the alpha release, and a few older nightlies that are said to work[19:52:48] <diver_> older nightlies?[19:53:00] <diver_> vpelletier: at which point?[19:53:26] <diver_> vpelletier: have you selected another locale?[19:53:43] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:53:51] <vpelletier> default locale, non-default keyboard layout (fr)[19:53:58] <vpelletier> I'm at the disk selection scren[19:53:59] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:54:24] <klstreet> like older nightly releases on haiku-files ones that others have said worked with this card on their machine[19:54:40] <diver_> vpelletier: try latest nightly[19:54:51] <vpelletier> ok[19:55:06] <diver_> klstreet: boot with enable fail-safe video option in bootloader (also choose some resolution) and rename /system/add-ons/drivers/bin/intel to intel.disabled and reboot[19:57:04] <burnix> vpelletier dont choose fr langage[19:57:11] <burnix> on nightly[19:57:12] *** klstreet has quit IRC[19:57:24] <vpelletier> ok[19:58:00] <burnix> smcollins, i have change the drivers with no luck i just have move and replace the file but allways the green screen[19:58:02] <vpelletier> is fr keymap ok ? (I can live with en)[19:59:17] <burnix> im trying the latest build but it hang on fr at install so install in english[20:00:06] <diver_> burnix: rename radeon_hd and reboot[20:00:10] <SMCollins> yeah, needs a bug ticket then[20:00:15] <SMCollins> with a syslog[20:00:31] <SMCollins> I was hoping that driver might work for you[20:00:33] <diver_> vpelletier: you can change it after install[20:01:40] <vpelletier> also, while it downloads: is there a form of libusb, preferably following libusb-1.0 API ?[20:01:43] <burnix> but i've install the 44020 gcc2 hybrid, perhaps the problem ??[20:02:18] <burnix> even if i boot in failsafe mode i've to rename the driver ???[20:02:18] <SMCollins> burnix: unlikely, the driver just doesn't like you card, these things happen[20:02:36] <SMCollins> its a relatively young driver in reality[20:02:55] <SMCollins> I think what alex has done in the short time he has been doing it, is nothing short of amazing[20:02:57] <diver_> burnix: if you don't want to select failsafe mode every time you need to rename that driver[20:03:11] <burnix> ok[20:03:57] <burnix> i try, but now i'm going to eat[20:04:57] <diver_> vpelletier: I don't think so[20:05:17] <diver_> vpelletier: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/emitrax/2007-04-29/uhci_driver#comment-6933[20:05:35] <vpelletier> I confirm nightly installer doesn't fail at the same screen, thanks[20:05:55] <diver_> cool[20:05:58] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[20:06:46] <vpelletier> to upgrade, I just install over existing partition without emptying it, right ? (I'm at the "I will overwrite system folder and merge the rest" screen)[20:08:24] <diver_> yes[20:08:44] <diver_> I'm not sure about /boot/common, though[20:09:11] <diver_> I would expect problems from it[20:10:10] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[20:11:51] <vpelletier> mmh.. it's not like I care about disk content, actually (virtualbox, not used a lot I confess)... maybe I should just reformat and avoid the risk of triggering more problems than I can handle :)[20:12:57] *** mpartipilo has joined #haiku[20:13:13] <diver_> vpelletier: I would say yes[20:17:16] *** dak has joined #haiku[20:26:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:27:08] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[20:27:10] *** Luko has joined #haiku[20:31:52] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[20:32:07] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[20:33:54] *** dak has quit IRC[20:36:46] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[20:37:22] *** falktx has joined #haiku[20:37:55] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[20:40:39] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:40:51] *** 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Bash[21:27:53] <Luko> i learn bash only 2 days[21:28:03] <Luko> this was my first script[21:28:10] <pmyshkin> oh, cool[21:28:14] <pmyshkin> bash is very very useful[21:28:15] <Luko> :)[21:28:25] <Luko> bash is shit language[21:28:31] <pmyshkin> no it's great[21:28:35] <Luko> i write[21:28:38] <Luko> TIME = 1[21:28:42] <Luko> and i have problem[21:28:45] <pmyshkin> yeah[21:28:48] <Luko> correct is TIME=1[21:28:51] <pmyshkin> you have to understand where it came from[21:29:04] <pmyshkin> it comes from the command line[21:29:17] <pmyshkin> so TIME = 1 would be like calling the command TIME with arguments = and 1[21:29:31] *** Megaf has quit IRC[21:29:32] <SMCollins> is this a bash script to shut down the pc in event of a power outage ?[21:29:41] <Luko> yes[21:29:58] <SMCollins> that would be nice, it currently look for a ping request fialure ?[21:30:01] <Luko> my wifi router is not on batery[21:30:05] <pmyshkin> you should also know that the condition test "[" and "]" for if statements is actually a command[21:30:15] *** luckypower has joined #haiku[21:30:48] <SMCollins> would be nice if haiku could make use of the serial/usb connections on these devices for sure[21:31:13] <Luko> would be but my power suply dont have usb cable connection[21:31:49] *** juaa_ has quit IRC[21:32:39] <pmyshkin> by the way Luko, I think i=$((i+1)) is more standard than let[21:33:43] <Luko> now i must test on real[21:33:53] <Luko> with true shutdown command :)[21:38:12] <SMCollins> so, I got this dell latitude, and the thing refuses to recognize the usb drive, any ideas ?[21:38:35] <SMCollins> its a d600[21:38:44] <SMCollins> any configuration things to know about[21:39:22] <arfonzo> does the drive perhaps need more power than the usb drive is giving?[21:39:38] <arfonzo> i.e., external AC for devices is sometimes needed, I've noticed[21:39:41] <SMCollins> I doubt it[21:39:51] <SMCollins> its just a 8gb thumb drive[21:40:00] <arfonzo> ah[21:40:17] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[21:40:44] <SMCollins> it just refuses to look[21:40:58] * SMCollins wishes he still had a pata to ide adapter[21:42:34] <SMCollins> hmmm, I see a bios update, wonder if the risk is worth the effort[21:43:13] <Skipp_OSX> I now know why there are bugs with open tickets on trac[21:43:29] <SMCollins> oh yeah[21:44:07] <Skipp_OSX> I screwed with DDevine's patches for hours trying to get Workspaces to behave.[21:44:46] <Skipp_OSX> Not his fault his patches don't work, that app is crazy.[21:45:10] <SMCollins> juice, is it worth the squeeze ?[21:45:31] <Skipp_OSX> I don't know it would fix like 5 tickets[21:45:34] * SMCollins would prefer dual/triple head etc display capability[21:46:16] <Skipp_OSX> Nobody is stopping you from adding it :)[21:46:18] *** jprostko has quit IRC[21:46:52] * SMCollins prays for coious understanding of c/c++[21:46:58] <SMCollins> copius[21:48:04] <pmyshkin> is there a focus-follows-mouse mode?[21:48:09] <SMCollins> yes[21:48:32] <SMCollins> leaf prefrences mouse[21:48:34] <pmyshkin> ah okay it's under mouse[21:48:36] <SMCollins> then select focus method[21:48:43] <pmyshkin> thannks[21:48:55] <SMCollins> wha a sensible place to put mouse settings ?[21:49:17] <pmyshkin> I thought it would be under some kind of "window settings" or something[21:50:13] <pmyshkin> are stacked tabs screwy right now, or is it just my vm?[21:50:20] <SMCollins> ??[21:50:32] <pmyshkin> for example if I stack this vision window with a webpositive window[21:50:57] <pmyshkin> and the webpositive tab changes width because the website name changes[21:51:13] <pmyshkin> the vision tab won't be redrawn correctly[21:51:18] <arfonzo> pmyshkin: I get that as well[21:51:26] <pmyshkin> there will be a ghost in the old position[21:51:33] <arfonzo> also when moving tabs off their default location (sliding left/right)[21:51:34] <pmyshkin> okay so it's not just virtualbox[21:51:49] <arfonzo> it might be. I use it in vbox.[21:52:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:54:26] <Luko> bye[21:54:28] *** Luko has quit IRC[21:56:07] *** rkag1412 has joined #haiku[21:56:55] *** synchris has quit IRC[21:57:45] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[21:57:48] *** Luko has joined #haiku[22:00:00] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[22:00:24] *** rkag1412 has quit IRC[22:02:06] <burnix> mr collins. For my problem with my videocard it's only a driver problem or can i try with gcc4 or gcc4 hybrid build ????[22:02:26] <SMCollins> driver issue most likely[22:02:40] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[22:03:50] <burnix> okay so i'm going to check syslog and put on the bug track that you had gave to me but it's not the same problem (the video card work but in green) :-)[22:04:07] *** pmyshkin has quit IRC[22:04:42] <SMCollins> could be related, start a new ticket, but I remember seeing a similar ticket before, I'd search trac first[22:04:58] <burnix> and for the KVM problem do you have and idea. I have an usb sharing system for keyboard/mouse[22:05:21] <SMCollins> not a clue dude[22:05:52] <burnix> 3 year later there is a bug in ubuntu like this[22:06:08] <SMCollins> rdeon driver is fiarly new, please be patient[22:06:15] <burnix> if you switch the cursor become crazy[22:06:20] <SMCollins> it only cover every radeon hd card from 2xxx to 7xxx[22:06:29] <SMCollins> as to kvm, no idea[22:06:36] <burnix> okay[22:07:03] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:08:24] <burnix> just a last question[22:09:48] <burnix> there is guide to port linux driver to beos ?????[22:11:20] <SMCollins> not really[22:11:51] <SMCollins> if it was that easy, thered be allot more drivers[22:12:17] <burnix> yes i agrea totaly with you[22:12:23] <OmniMancer> you can't really port the drivers[22:12:41] <OmniMancer> because the driver interfaces and driver model is different[22:12:52] <SMCollins> you can study them and create drivers though[22:12:55] <burnix> put there is some samples (perhaps too complicated for me , but i just want take a look)[22:12:57] <OmniMancer> yes[22:13:13] <SMCollins> OmniMancer: i think the driver differences are mostly in haikus favor though[22:13:50] <OmniMancer> I don't know[22:13:53] <burnix> or a guide to "how write a driver for kaiku"[22:14:14] <OmniMancer> but I do get the feeling that linux drivers are pretty incomprehensible :P[22:14:27] <SMCollins> there is one for writing video drivers at least and some documentation for writing drivers in the bebook[22:14:38] <OmniMancer> burnix: it changes depending on what kind of driver you want to write[22:14:41] <SMCollins> what type of driver are you wanting to hack on[22:15:54] <burnix> for my pci dvb-s2 sat card[22:16:44] <SMCollins> sounds like a complex driver[22:17:31] <burnix> so i can try to start with my terratec t2 usb tuner (just a dvb tuner and a usb chip to catch stream directly)[22:18:16] <SMCollins> better of with the pci card first[22:18:22] <SMCollins> usb stack still needs some love[22:18:46] <burnix> in usb i can spy the usb port with some software under xp and then port to haiku[22:19:04] <OmniMancer> hmm?[22:19:43] *** markos_ has quit IRC[22:19:54] <SMCollins> usb webcam driver project had some trouble with the usb stack[22:20:27] <burnix> so i'm going to see. I'm too young, so not too much time to spend coding and i'm not a great coder :-)[22:21:50] <luroh> not sure if it actually works, but there should be a dvb driver in the source tree[22:23:33] <burnix> ok, problem with usb stack, so i know now why i have problem with my kvm[22:23:58] <burnix> thanks to all for your help in my first haiku's day[22:24:43] <burnix> and like schwarzy can say "i'll be back"[22:27:41] <vpelletier> diver_: back from diner. The url you pasted about libusb mentions libusb-0.1 actually (libusb-win32 is 0.1's port to win32). I would recommend porting libusb-1.0, for its async and isochronous support... disclaimer: I have no idea how much work it represents, though ;)[22:28:49] <OmniMancer> USB is not designed to be shared or switched between computers though[22:30:03] <vpelletier> ?[22:32:30] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:32:45] <OmniMancer> that was for burnix[22:32:57] <vpelletier> ah, I accidentally stepped into anothe rusb-related discusion :)[22:33:00] <vpelletier> got it :)[22:34:47] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[22:34:54] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[22:41:16] *** burnix has quit IRC[22:43:05] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[22:45:28] *** luckypower has quit IRC[22:53:30] *** bbjimmy-at-work has joined #haiku[22:57:14] *** latituded600 has joined #haiku[22:58:02] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:58:09] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[22:58:32] <latituded600> how does one configure wireless[22:58:56] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[22:59:20] <diver_> latituded600: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/wireless[23:02:08] <latituded600> thanks diver[23:03:34] <latituded600> stupid question, how do I use the wireless wpa lol[23:03:48] *** dimonov has quit IRC[23:04:36] <diver_> latituded600: first you need to install wpa_supplicant, it is not installed by default yet[23:04:48] <humdinger> encrypted wireless never really worked for me (haven't tried in a while though)[23:04:50] <latituded600> I installed it[23:04:53] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[23:04:58] <diver_> installoptionalpackage wpa_supplicant[23:05:04] <diver_> ok then[23:05:20] <humdinger> Should there be an elert popping up after choosing your wireless network with the NetworkStatus applet?[23:05:28] <humdinger> *alert[23:05:28] *** latituded600 is now known as SMCollins[23:05:53] <humdinger> dropped the beard, er[23:06:10] <humdinger> eh[23:11:42] *** dimonov has joined #haiku[23:11:56] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[23:14:07] *** humdinger has quit IRC[23:19:50] *** Luko has quit IRC[23:33:01] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:34:19] *** ubuntu-test has quit IRC[23:37:40] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[23:40:02] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[23:44:06] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:48:51] *** RQ has quit IRC[23:53:13] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[23:53:30] <SMCollins> is there a known problem with the broadcom 43xx driver constantly resetting the connection ?[23:55:55] *** bryan_w has quit IRC