April 12, 2012 
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April 12, 2012 [00:00:22] <Anarchos> Premislaus though i ported significant parts of texlive...[00:00:24] <Premislaus> My english is terrible, sorry. I learn a UK version.[00:00:31] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:00:48] <Anarchos> Premislaus don't worrry for your english, i am french for myself :)[00:00:51] <jua_> "As of the beginning of 2012 Q2, EditShare has not released an Open Source version and the Linux and Mac OS platform releases have been delayed indefinitely."[00:00:52] *** AmineKhaldi__ has joined #haiku[00:01:04] <Premislaus> I am from Poland :P[00:01:19] <Anarchos> Premislaus land of famous mathematicians and artists...[00:07:14] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[00:07:48] *** unthdarr has quit IRC[00:13:29] *** Advant has joined #haiku[00:13:29] *** Advant has joined #haiku[00:16:14] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[00:16:22] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:29:13] *** waveshaper has left #haiku[00:29:28] <CIA-37> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44001 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=9cac658 :[00:29:28] <CIA-37> Keep more accurate track of media status changes.[00:29:28] <CIA-37> AutoConfigLooper now remembers the last media state it received from the device,[00:29:28] <CIA-37> and compares both to see if the active state actually changed. Should help with[00:29:28] <CIA-37> quality changes where the link didn't actually drop. May also help on ethernet[00:29:29] <CIA-37> if the chipset sends spurious link status change notifications.[00:30:05] *** arjen_ has quit IRC[00:32:41] <CIA-37> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44002 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=56981da :[00:32:41] <CIA-37> Fix slight oversight in previous commit.[00:32:41] <CIA-37> Only trigger autoconfiguration if the link status changed from down[00:32:41] <CIA-37> to up.[00:35:47] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[00:46:23] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:55:52] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[00:56:48] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[01:02:45] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:04:14] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[01:04:49] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[01:05:27] *** alexixor has quit IRC[01:05:41] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[01:18:46] *** SMCollins2 has quit IRC[01:20:29] *** SMCollins4321 has joined #haiku[01:21:01] *** alexixor has quit IRC[01:27:30] *** alvdav has quit IRC[01:30:00] <CIA-37> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev44003 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=3c57632 : Implement DW_LNE_set_discriminator from DWARF 4.[01:37:33] *** sambagirl has quit IRC[01:50:41] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[01:55:23] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[02:03:04] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[02:08:53] *** amphadroid has joined #haiku[02:09:15] <amphadroid> be were scarily prophetic[02:09:30] <amphadroid> rereading the bible[02:10:10] <amphadroid> one processor per person is not enough[02:11:08] <amphadroid> jlg guessed wrong on a few things tho...[02:14:59] <Skipp_OSXI> amphadroid, I assume you mean the Be Bible...[02:15:27] <Skipp_OSXI> I was very confused there for a second thinking the Christian Bible predicted multi-processor systems[02:16:07] <Skipp_OSXI> amphadroid, don't you mean that Scott Hacker guessed wrong on a few things? Or did he quote JLG?[02:16:14] <amphadroid> yes be bible ;-)[02:16:26] <amphadroid> jlg interviews[02:16:30] <Skipp_OSXI> ahhh okay[02:17:00] <Skipp_OSXI> well, he was wrong not jumping on Intel earlier, he thought that PPC would become a new open standard[02:17:18] <amphadroid> like windows 2000 would run on non intel plate, he guessed/speculated[02:17:39] <amphadroid> errr touchscreenctyping[02:17:48] <Skipp_OSXI> amphadroid, technically windows 2000 did run on non-Intel processors, MIPS, Alpha, even SPARC[02:18:10] <Skipp_OSXI> but almost nobody ran that... and then it went away[02:18:13] <amphadroid> they killed it in rtm tho[02:18:42] <Skipp_OSXI> amphadroid, I thought the Server version was released for non-Intel processors[02:18:53] <amphadroid> did in alpha (pun intended)[02:18:54] <Skipp_OSXI> I know W2k Pro wasn't[02:19:26] <Skipp_OSXI> well, NT5 pre-release builds certainly ran on non-Intel, so, he was not completely off-base with that speculation[02:20:44] <amphadroid> it was in reference to ppc win... and ppc windoes office 2000[02:21:01] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:21:21] <amphadroid> its a good read... mine has a beos reg card lodged in it[02:21:29] <amphadroid> yth[02:21:31] <amphadroid> gtg[02:21:38] <Skipp_OSXI> okay, bye bye[02:21:43] *** amphadroid has quit IRC[02:24:41] *** jua_ has quit IRC[02:25:35] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[02:26:36] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has quit IRC[02:33:15] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:35:13] <SMCollins4321> windows 8 will run on arm[02:35:20] <SMCollins4321> window 7.5 runs on arm to[02:42:02] <Advant> 7.5?[02:42:14] <jayrulez> on mobile[02:43:21] <SMCollins4321> ok, Kate Beckinsale vrs Sarah Michelle Gellar, who is hotter ?[02:44:26] <Xeon3D> Kate[02:44:40] <jayrulez> Kate[02:44:52] <Xeon3D> Dunno who she is, but everytime I think of SMG I get reminded of Buffy and.... NO >.<[02:45:10] <Xeon3D> To finish the debate: I'll just say this:[02:45:16] <Xeon3D> Kemper Suicide :D[02:45:29] <Xeon3D> She is, IMHO, Perfection Incarnate[02:46:20] <SMCollins4321> I'll vote Kate, she looks better at 36 then she did at 25[02:48:03] <Skipp_OSXI> SMCollins: even so, JLG was wrong about that processor arch and the date[02:48:08] <Skipp_OSXI> gotta go, bbl[02:48:15] <SMCollins4321> ttyl skipp[02:48:25] *** Skipp_OSXI has quit IRC[02:49:49] <jayrulez> SMCollins what do u think of chrome aura shelf?[02:50:23] <SMCollins4321> ?[02:52:26] <SMCollins4321> why would someone do this ? I geuss becuase you can ?[02:53:24] <jayrulez> ?[02:53:40] <SMCollins4321> Google should just fund Haiku like they fund mozilla[02:54:34] *** hamishm has quit IRC[02:57:30] <jayrulez> I often wish for that[02:59:14] <Xeon3D> I doubt that will ever happen sadly, since they get Linux for preety much free...[03:01:38] <SMCollins4321> ain't nothin free about linux, except the source code[03:01:45] <SMCollins4321> time = money[03:04:10] <Xeon3D> true, but taking time out of the equation (since it'd also be spent if they funded haiku)[03:04:48] <jayrulez> did they build the chrome userland from scratch?[03:05:06] *** arfunzu has joined #haiku[03:05:20] <SMCollins4321> Xeon3D: haiku would likely be less work, it needs mostly debugging at this point[03:05:28] <SMCollins4321> debugging and drivers[03:05:47] <SMCollins4321> its also a complete system top to bottom[03:06:59] <jayrulez> agreed[03:07:09] <Xeon3D> well Linux doesn't need any of those.... at least not to the extent that Haiku does.[03:07:38] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #331 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc4] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc4] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc4] @alpha-raw [x86gcc4] @alpha-cd [x86gcc4] @nightly-anyboot [x86gcc4] @nightly-vmware [x86gcc4] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4] @nightly-cd [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @alpha-cd[03:07:39] <HAIKU-Buildbot> [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-cd] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/331 blamelist: kallisti5 at unixzen dot com, jscipione at gmail dot com[03:07:49] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[03:07:57] <SMCollins4321> Xeon3D: the linux userspace is insanely buggy and incompatible[03:08:12] <SMCollins4321> Hey skipp[03:08:14] <Xeon3D> and while Linux itself is not a complete system, GNU/Linux (I think of RMS everytime I write it this way) is still free.[03:08:17] <jayrulez> If google sponsored and developed haiku and put it on one machine per year like macbook, they wouldn't have to worry about many drivers[03:08:33] <Xeon3D> SMCollins4321 I've got no issues with it...[03:08:41] <jayrulez> google has a large mindshare among the people so i think such an endeavour would have been worthwhile[03:09:08] <SMCollins4321> Xeon3D: copy and paste, drag and drop from one app to another[03:10:05] <Xeon3D> drag and drop I haven't tested tbh (I never do it in OS X / Haiku too) but copy paste works wonders here[03:10:43] <jayrulez> copy often fails for me on ubuntu[03:10:53] <Xeon3D> from where to where?[03:10:54] <SMCollins4321> theres about a bajjillion little problems, and most of them are not solveable without a serious redesign, which is why google is just doing what it does[03:11:07] <jayrulez> it's hit and miss when i try to copy in the same window[03:11:16] <jayrulez> i usually have to open 2 windows[03:11:31] <SMCollins4321> how about this one, try sharing the audio output, with 2 seperate programs[03:12:01] <jayrulez> when i play any media in ubuntu, my cpu overheats[03:12:07] <jayrulez> so i don't even bother[03:12:31] <Xeon3D> just dragged some text from firefox to gedit[03:12:33] <Xeon3D> no issues[03:13:14] <Xeon3D> wait, like having a mp3 playing on a player and youtube playnig on firefox?[03:13:22] <jayrulez> try copying an item using mouse or ctrl + c[03:13:23] <SMCollins4321> that doesn't resolve the 2up fialures in audio, video, drag&drop etc[03:13:33] <jayrulez> go up one folder and try to paste[03:14:10] <Xeon3D> jayrulez just done it[03:14:12] <Xeon3D> no issues.[03:14:20] <Skipp_OSX> hello, I need a Haiku app w/o an icon that I can download from a URL...[03:14:33] <SMCollins4321> haiku native appliocation ?[03:15:12] <Xeon3D> I really dunno what distros you're using or how did u set them up... but if I find it strange that people have issues with those basic things.[03:15:14] <SMCollins4321> gimme a minute skipp[03:15:34] <SMCollins4321> I've given up setting up distros, I install haiku, turn the machine on and start working[03:16:26] <Xeon3D> well all I did in this one (Mint, a ubuntu derivative) was install, get buildtools to crosscompile haiku, update, reboot and install propietary ati drivers.[03:16:32] <Xeon3D> oh[03:16:35] <Xeon3D> and I changed the background[03:17:05] <Xeon3D> I'm able to drag stuff from Firefox to gedit, copy/paste via keyboard or mouse in file manager...[03:17:12] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins: it needs to run in Deskbar but not have an icon[03:17:23] <Xeon3D> and I'm preety sure I can have 2 different apps outputting sound to the same audio output.[03:17:46] <Xeon3D> OTOH, haiku doesn't even boot on this system.[03:17:46] <SMCollins4321> Xeon3D: good luck on 2 applications sharing the same audio output[03:19:34] <jayrulez> Xeon3D: I will record the copy/paste failure I'm experiencing with ubuntu[03:19:55] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[03:20:57] <Xeon3D> I'm playing youtube on firefox and a concert from grateful dead in Banshee mediaplayer[03:20:59] <Xeon3D> LOL[03:21:03] <SMCollins4321> jayrulez: the good old 2up fialure[03:21:06] <Xeon3D> what was the difficulty?[03:21:20] <Xeon3D> I'ma gonna record this[03:22:10] <SMCollins4321> obviously pulseaudio works on your distro, your lucky[03:23:27] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[03:26:40] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[03:26:42] <jayrulez> uploading video[03:26:52] <jayrulez> i have to do the copy operation twice to get it to work[03:27:09] <jayrulez> that's copying a file to the same directory[03:29:05] <jayrulez> http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2246/b32n.mp4[03:30:43] <Xeon3D> can't see that from Haiku :X[03:31:11] <jayrulez> i think it's still processing[03:31:21] <jayrulez> that's the direct link so u can download it[03:31:51] <Xeon3D> can't save it either :P[03:31:55] <SMCollins4321> downloads fine for me so far[03:32:09] <Xeon3D> i tried wget and web+[03:33:05] <Xeon3D> http://youtu.be/ity8WsuhObU for the 1st video.[03:33:19] <jayrulez> SMCollins4321: can u play it[03:33:46] <SMCollins4321> I dunno, don't really care. Linux has many 2up problems, which Is why I stoppped using it around 4 years ago[03:33:49] <SMCollins4321> to irritating[03:33:51] <Xeon3D> mine says caching then -> stopped.[03:33:57] <Xeon3D> what is "2up" ?[03:34:42] <Xeon3D> SMCollins4321: ?[03:34:59] <Xeon3D> Lol, Linux has come a LONG way from 4 years ago till now[03:35:01] *** Xeon3D has left #haiku[03:35:09] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[03:35:11] <Xeon3D> argh[03:35:34] <SMCollins4321> a 2up is where one user doesn't have a problem with identical hardware and software and another users does, inexplicably[03:35:42] <Xeon3D> http://youtu.be/ity8WsuhObU is processed. my camera is a bit fucked up tho[03:35:55] <SMCollins4321> IE if you had 2 identical system with identical images, one user will have a problem and one will not[03:36:49] <SMCollins4321> Linux has done much to make it look like allot has been done, but it hasn't really adressed the mess, mostly due to pride.[03:37:34] <jayrulez> linux has had at least 15 years to fix the mess that it is.[03:37:56] <Xeon3D> Heh, I see you guys don't really like Linux.[03:38:16] <jayrulez> I don't dislike linux per se[03:38:34] <jayrulez> I am disappointed with it[03:38:47] <Xeon3D> I'm just saying... I have Win7, Linux, OS X installed on another machine of mine and I haven't had any usability issues or unexplained issues in the past 5 years.[03:39:09] <Xeon3D> I can do what I normally do with a computer in any OS[03:39:13] <dreamed> Linux on the desktop, as I use every day for work, still feels way too much like a work in progress[03:39:21] <dreamed> stuff still falls over, or feels sluggish occasionally etc[03:40:08] <Xeon3D> I just can't do it in haiku cause it strangely KPs at boot on that machine (which is my main machine)[03:40:12] <jayrulez> Xeon3D: I think you haven't used much then if you haven't experienced any usability issues[03:40:33] <Xeon3D> 8h/day minimum[03:40:59] <Xeon3D> but then again I'm not what you could call a basic user.[03:41:13] <jayrulez> If Haiku had the developer mindshare of linux bar their attitude and some of their values, the world would be a better place :)[03:41:14] <dreamed> I work predominantely with firefox, chrome and openoffice[03:41:15] <dreamed> all are shite[03:41:31] <Xeon3D> I'm with you on what matters chrome and openoffice.[03:41:34] <dreamed> 90% of my job is remote desktopped to another customer[03:41:39] <dreamed> so that's all for admin stuff[03:41:45] <Xeon3D> Firefox could just be a little bit easier on the ram... apart from that I have no issues with it :P[03:41:58] <dreamed> granted, it's not as bad as it used to be[03:42:26] <Xeon3D> jayrulez to be honest with you, I spend most of my time on OS X[03:42:52] <dreamed> I spend as much as possible in osx[03:43:02] <Xeon3D> but last year I went with just one OS for a month, no other OS installed[03:43:03] <jayrulez> I've never used OS X[03:43:28] <Xeon3D> and the only thing I've never done in one that I could do in the others... (well I could but I didn't want to try) was play World of Warcraft in Linux[03:43:50] <dreamed> heh[03:43:53] <dreamed> osx for that, for me[03:44:10] <Xeon3D> ?[03:44:10] <dreamed> on that note, the textures on the player models seem to look a bit better in mountain lion[03:44:16] <dreamed> WoW / osx[03:44:19] <Xeon3D> oh[03:44:26] <Xeon3D> That's where I normally play it as well[03:44:29] <SMCollins4321> Xeon3D: do you have a picture of you boot fialure[03:44:36] <Xeon3D> even tho I get better framerates on Windows.[03:44:52] <jayrulez> Less than a year ago, I couldn't skype properly in ubuntu, sound problems. I didn't bother to install skype when I upgraded[03:44:53] <Xeon3D> SMCollins4321I have 3 of them[03:45:06] <SMCollins4321> link ?[03:45:12] <Xeon3D> they're not uploaded[03:45:25] <Xeon3D> I tried uploading them in this Haiku box but web+ crashed half the way on the first one[03:45:46] <SMCollins4321> try filedump, works well with webpositive[03:45:55] *** [aspirin] has quit IRC[03:46:43] *** [aspirin] has joined #haiku[03:47:09] <Xeon3D> I'm uploading them on this machine[03:47:18] <Xeon3D> Argh this might sound confusing[03:47:35] <Xeon3D> I have 2 IRC sessions connected to a ZNC... 1 in Haiku/Vision the other in XChat/Linux[03:49:14] <Xeon3D> so I can don't have to use two different nicks due to two different clients.[03:49:39] <Xeon3D> http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/Xeon3D/Various/[03:49:45] <Xeon3D> Mind the cheese photo :P[03:51:28] <jayrulez> Are u logged in with both?[03:52:06] <SMCollins4321> what hardware is this ?[03:52:27] <Xeon3D> I have both clients connected to the ZNC which in turn is connected to the server[03:52:37] <Xeon3D> SMCollins: Sandybridge Mobo & CPU[03:52:46] <SMCollins4321> anything special about it ?[03:52:54] <Xeon3D> with AHCI disks (but it also does it if I try booting thru a USB/SD)[03:53:00] <Xeon3D> not really[03:53:09] <SMCollins4321> any ide drives ?[03:53:11] <Xeon3D> No[03:53:20] <SMCollins4321> ide emulation channel ?[03:53:26] <Xeon3D> all AHCI[03:53:32] <SMCollins4321> setup in raid ?[03:53:35] <Xeon3D> no[03:53:55] <Xeon3D> this is almost like one of the 2up problems you mentioned[03:54:05] <SMCollins4321> yeah, seems kind of wierd, uefi ?[03:54:16] <Xeon3D> I have another sandybridge based computer next to it and it boots haiku perfectly[03:54:16] <SMCollins4321> this happens during boot ?[03:54:18] <Xeon3D> no[03:54:19] <Xeon3D> yes[03:54:24] <Xeon3D> no uefi, yes during boot[03:54:38] <Xeon3D> the other SB which is running haiku perfectly has UEFI, also has AHCI on[03:54:51] <Xeon3D> and has integrated HD3000 intel gpu which works with vesa with resolution change.[03:55:06] <Xeon3D> *HD2000[03:55:12] <SMCollins4321> have you tried booting in safe mode ?[03:55:16] <Xeon3D> yes[03:55:28] <Xeon3D> with the disable acpi, apm, and a few more toggles.[03:55:51] <Xeon3D> I've even compiled it from source straight to disk and tried booting from there with no avail[03:56:45] <SMCollins4321> does this board have usb 3 on it ?[03:56:58] <SMCollins4321> usb3.0[03:57:02] <Xeon3D> disabled[03:57:08] <Xeon3D> firewire disabled[03:57:17] <Xeon3D> esata disabled.[03:57:27] <SMCollins4321> do you have a ide emulation mode you can enable ?[03:57:53] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:57:58] <Xeon3D> It can't be due to AHCI, the other system is booting perfectly with AHCI on[03:58:02] <SMCollins4321> and yes, thats very strange, could be a bios bug[03:58:23] <SMCollins4321> some ahci implementations and the haiku ahci driver don't get along, I've been bitten by it before[03:58:29] <Xeon3D> hmmm[03:58:38] <Xeon3D> lemme have a go at that[03:58:42] <SMCollins4321> could be a edge case[04:00:39] <Xeon3D> changed controller to Legacy IDe[04:02:25] <SMCollins4321> drum roll please[04:02:48] <dreamed> prefer sushi roll, kthx[04:03:50] <Xeon3D> eh[04:03:52] <Xeon3D> it booted :P[04:04:33] <SMCollins4321> not suprised[04:05:10] <SMCollins4321> ahci driver bug[04:05:20] <SMCollins4321> or goofy implementation[04:05:37] <Xeon3D> no network on the other machine...[04:06:12] <SMCollins4321> which network card/chipset ?[04:06:22] <Xeon3D> rtl8101E[04:06:24] <Xeon3D> iirc[04:06:26] <SMCollins4321> do you get network on the one that just booted ?[04:06:37] <Xeon3D> no no, not on that one.[04:06:52] <SMCollins4321> the machine with the legacy ide, do you get network ?[04:06:56] <Xeon3D> neither rtl8101e nor broadcom bcm4312 work :)[04:07:07] <SMCollins4321> are these wired or wireless ?[04:08:14] <Xeon3D> wired and wireless respectively[04:08:18] <Xeon3D> both show up on network preflet[04:08:38] <Xeon3D> bcm says no link and no wifi networks appear[04:08:47] <Xeon3D> rtl8101 says configuring and keeps saying it[04:09:36] <SMCollins4321> file bug tickets for the ahci and network fialures, make sure you don't file duplicates, search first. I think both of the network adapters have tickets and I am sure the ahci does to[04:09:48] <SMCollins4321> You likely have audio however[04:09:57] <Xeon3D> Radeon HD 6850 does indeed work thanks to kallisti5's work :D[04:10:50] <SMCollins4321> yeah, this is a driver bug and or lack of driver issue your suffering, haiku doesn't 2up very often "unless its a driver issue"[04:10:51] <Xeon3D> audio shows up, but I have no media to try[04:10:51] <jayrulez> i just saw clang in the list op optional packages, what is the state of clang on haiku?[04:11:12] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44004 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=b97545d :[04:11:12] <CIA-37> If you can't find an app's icon, get the generic 3 boxes icon.[04:11:12] <CIA-37> Well this is embarrasing. If the app icon could not be found I wasn't[04:11:12] <CIA-37> filling out anything so the bitmap was displaying random garbage.[04:11:13] <CIA-37> Instead, if I can't find the icon, fill with the generic 3 boxes icon.[04:11:13] <CIA-37> No reason to call GetTrackerIcon because I know that it is an[04:11:14] <CIA-37> application and not some other MIME type.[04:11:20] <SMCollins4321> Xeon3D: you should be able to mount any ntfslinux drives for read only at least[04:12:09] <SMCollins4321> grab some media, make sure the audio works, I bet it will[04:12:15] <Xeon3D> hah audio is fucked up as well[04:12:24] <SMCollins4321> really ?[04:12:37] <Xeon3D> full of noise and it repeats noise forever even after closing mediaplayer[04:12:46] <SMCollins4321> hmmm, hda ?[04:12:58] <Xeon3D> only thing improved since last time I was able to boot haiku in this machine was graphics card detection :P[04:13:02] <Xeon3D> yes[04:13:10] <Xeon3D> Realtek ALC889 Codec[04:13:17] <SMCollins4321> hda works fiarly well, maybe something else is cuasing a interupt problem[04:13:34] <SMCollins4321> I never tested that chip[04:13:40] <SMCollins4321> file a ticket[04:14:13] <SMCollins4321> last one I tested was a alc886 iirc[04:14:35] <Xeon3D> funny, if I drag the video fastforward the noise gets lower[04:14:44] <Xeon3D> and it disappears right in the end of the video[04:14:49] <SMCollins4321> hmm, sounds like buffer underun[04:15:00] <SMCollins4321> can you goto to cortex under demos ?[04:15:14] <Xeon3D> I'm there[04:15:46] <Xeon3D> what shall I do? :X[04:15:53] <Xeon3D> never understood this app :P[04:16:05] <SMCollins4321> right click on media player and see what the latency is and the system mixer[04:16:25] <SMCollins4321> shjould be "get info"[04:16:30] <Xeon3D> which media player? I have three of em[04:16:42] <SMCollins4321> whichever one[04:16:44] <Xeon3D> I have media player vi -> system clock -> media player vi[04:16:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:16:47] <SMCollins4321> check all 3 though[04:16:52] <Xeon3D> 103.75ms[04:16:58] <Xeon3D> on mediaplayer[04:17:05] *** Luko has joined #haiku[04:17:05] <SMCollins4321> wait, you should have mediaplayer,mixer/card[04:17:19] <Xeon3D> yes[04:17:21] <Xeon3D> I also have that[04:17:31] <Xeon3D> mixer is 108.92.ms[04:17:53] <SMCollins4321> yeah, somethings not right[04:17:54] <Xeon3D> and on the mediaplayer that is connected to mixer -> card latency is 118.94[04:18:50] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[04:18:52] <SMCollins4321> your getting allot of alising in the sound right ?[04:19:38] <Xeon3D> it felt like static/noise[04:19:45] <Xeon3D> and repeating buffers[04:20:10] <SMCollins4321> yeah, sounds like audio pipeline is log jammed, driver might be incompatible with your hardware[04:20:30] <SMCollins4321> I'm glancing through source to see what the last supported alc88x version is[04:20:42] <Xeon3D> I'll keep trying with newer revisions.[04:20:43] <SMCollins4321> do you have anything eating allot of cpu ?[04:21:05] <Xeon3D> nah, I had just opened mediaplayer and closed it[04:21:16] <Xeon3D> This has 4 cores + HT[04:21:18] <SMCollins4321> strange, can you pull up activity monitor ?[04:21:21] <Xeon3D> and 16 GB of ram[04:21:26] <SMCollins4321> ht eh ?[04:21:41] <Xeon3D> Hyper Threading?[04:21:45] <SMCollins4321> yes[04:23:19] <Xeon3D> I don't mind it to be honest, I have it running on another machine so it's ok.[04:23:33] *** Luko has quit IRC[04:23:42] <Xeon3D> It's not like it could be my daily OS.[04:23:45] <SMCollins4321> yeah, I'd file ticket so the problems are known however[04:24:28] <Xeon3D> I'm gonna search for tickets and add my input to them, probably in the weekend. I really hate doing that tho.[04:24:49] <SMCollins4321> if no one knows there is a problem, it'll never get fixed[04:26:33] <Xeon3D> true.[04:26:42] <OmniMancer> you hate helping bugs get fixed?[04:26:49] <OmniMancer> you monster[04:27:09] <Xeon3D> I don't mind helping bugs get fixed...[04:27:15] <Xeon3D> I just don't like filing bug reports[04:27:31] <dreamed> the two kind of go hand in hand[04:27:31] <Xeon3D> while it may look similar, they're two different things.[04:27:34] <OmniMancer> but those two are largely synonymous so...[04:27:57] <Xeon3D> I've helped devs fix bugs without having to deal with Trac or software of similar kind before.[04:28:09] <OmniMancer> yes[04:28:12] <Xeon3D> (Not on haiku tho, other projects)[04:28:15] <SMCollins4321> there are maybe 10-12 really active dev's,[04:28:20] <SMCollins4321> don't mince meat[04:28:38] <Xeon3D> eh?[04:28:47] * Xeon3D is not English. I don't get many of the sayings.[04:29:16] <Xeon3D> nor do I know what "mince" means but ok. :)[04:29:26] <Xeon3D> I didn't say I wasn't gonna file bug reports[04:29:34] <Xeon3D> I just said I don't like to do it.[04:31:07] <SMCollins4321> its a nice way of saying, don't make a big deal out of something with misdirection. Bug reports are easy to file, sysinfo, syslog, description of symptoms, hardware effect, you don't have to write a novel.[04:31:43] <Xeon3D> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8241[04:32:00] <Xeon3D> last bug report I did[04:32:11] <Xeon3D> 3 months stalled.[04:32:12] <Xeon3D> :P[04:33:03] <Xeon3D> And since I was pretty much able to boot when I compiled straight to disk by then, there has probably been a regression on the AHCI driver.[04:33:24] <SMCollins4321> there aren't that many dev's, but you should likely add the latest info you've gained to the ticket, it may help to point to the cuase.[04:33:34] <SMCollins4321> nah, the ahci driver is buggy[04:33:46] <SMCollins4321> hasn't been a commit in a long time[04:33:53] <Xeon3D> the rest is pretty much the same (minor difference is that the ethernet chip is now detected but still non working)[04:34:36] <SMCollins4321> could be a interupt issue for all of this stuff.[04:34:48] <SMCollins4321> the audio problem sort of hints at it[04:42:28] <Xeon3D> I've added a post to that bug report[04:42:43] <Xeon3D> Also, that's one thing I never really understood.[04:43:15] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #332 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/332[04:43:23] <Xeon3D> I know that devs do work on whatever they like, but it'd seem to be that those primary / low-level things should be the first to be taken care off.[04:44:26] <SMCollins4321> its not a kernel team, that just works on the kernel, its a whole entire OS, with a fiarly high level of quality[04:44:46] <SMCollins4321> plus, debugging and drivers are added after the features are completed.[04:45:03] <OmniMancer> not all of the devs can work on the kernel[04:45:13] <SMCollins4321> no, only a handful do[04:45:26] <Xeon3D> I'm mostly aware of the haiku dev team and how it mostly works[04:45:47] <SMCollins4321> what haiku needs is Devs and money[04:45:51] <SMCollins4321> its this close[04:45:56] <Xeon3D> mmlr and axel I think do fiddle with the kenerl[04:45:59] <Xeon3D> kernel[04:46:07] <Xeon3D> it's been a while[04:46:08] <SMCollins4321> bonefish to[04:46:13] <OmniMancer> ingo[04:46:26] <Xeon3D> anyway if you permit me a car analogy[04:46:37] <SMCollins4321> sure[04:46:45] * SMCollins4321 builds racecars for a living[04:47:23] <Xeon3D> it's looks to me as if some interior developers perfecting seats and dashboard for a car which hasn't got a fully functioning engine or chassis.[04:47:40] <SMCollins4321> not a very good analogy[04:48:04] <SMCollins4321> more like shock and spring tunning[04:48:17] <SMCollins4321> the underlying mechanisms are there, the ride is just a bit to bumpy yet[04:48:30] <OmniMancer> also[04:48:35] <SMCollins4321> some of the kernel tunning will depend on userland behavior to[04:48:49] <OmniMancer> there is no way the devs can make that stuff perfect on every machine[04:49:18] <SMCollins4321> even microsoft can't do it, though they are light years ahead of everyone else, and Mac OSX is hardware limited for this very reason[04:49:26] <OmniMancer> just because stuff doesn't work for some hardware or some machine doesn't mean it doesn't work elsewhere[04:49:34] <Xeon3D> Mac OS X is limited due to Apple and nothing else[04:49:50] <OmniMancer> no[04:49:55] <Xeon3D> no?[04:49:56] <SMCollins4321> no, apple only wants to target limited hardware to reduce driver creation[04:49:58] <OmniMancer> despite apple being dicks[04:50:05] <OmniMancer> it has other reasons[04:50:12] <Xeon3D> like?[04:50:23] <SMCollins4321> better integration, less driver maintenance, vendor lock in[04:50:37] <OmniMancer> it means as SMCollins4321 said there is less driver stuff to do[04:50:44] <SMCollins4321> control of platform trajectory[04:50:55] <OmniMancer> it also handily helps them sell hardware[04:51:06] <SMCollins4321> which is strange, software is fiarly profitable[04:51:12] <Xeon3D> Yes, but technically it supports every primary feature even if not on their hardware.[04:51:22] <Xeon3D> AHCI, Interrupts, et al.[04:51:40] <SMCollins4321> yes, for one bios/efi implmentation, with a bios custom tialored to their design etc[04:52:18] <Xeon3D> so it's only limited by Apple, due to them wanting the stuff SMCollins4321 said: better integration, less driver maintenance, vendor lock in.[04:52:39] <SMCollins4321> yes, and this massively descrease their time to market, and investment in debugging[04:52:40] <Xeon3D> Technically it does run on many different hardware as shown by the "Hackintosh" boom.[04:52:56] <SMCollins4321> sometimes it runs on otherhardware,[04:52:59] <SMCollins4321> not always[04:53:20] <Xeon3D> so they have the primary stuff (what I called the engine before) AHCI, et all figured out.[04:53:22] <OmniMancer> yes but its not supported on that hardware[04:53:33] <OmniMancer> and if it doesn't its your fault[04:53:43] <SMCollins4321> ahci work, just yourchipset is buggy, I am on a ahci machine with 8 drives right now[04:53:43] <Xeon3D> true.[04:53:55] <SMCollins4321> chipset/driver is buggy[04:53:56] <Xeon3D> LOL my chipset is buggy?[04:54:00] <Xeon3D> HAH[04:54:03] <SMCollins4321> it could be[04:54:06] <Xeon3D> Windows, Linux and OS X have no issues with it[04:54:14] <OmniMancer> Xeon3D: hardware can be buggy[04:54:21] <SMCollins4321> they also have allot of whitelist blackist stuff[04:54:30] <OmniMancer> things can require workarounds[04:54:32] <SMCollins4321> most of haikus generic drivers are written to the exact spec[04:54:50] <SMCollins4321> the workarounds etc come later[04:55:17] <SMCollins4321> ahci mostly works, I'd say a good 70%+ of the time "totally made up state base on my personal experience"[04:56:31] <OmniMancer> ahci is what again?[04:56:34] <OmniMancer> sata?[04:56:42] <SMCollins4321> yeah[04:57:02] <SMCollins4321> theres a few quirky chipset that need work arounds[04:57:29] <SMCollins4321> overall it works fiarly goo dmost of the time[05:01:09] <Xeon3D> I thought that Intel would make an errata or some kind for their own chipsets[05:02:35] *** Advant has quit IRC[05:02:55] <SMCollins4321> they do, but who can keep up with it all ?[05:04:21] <Xeon3D> I sure can't :)[05:05:14] <Xeon3D> Anyway, I hope I didn't sound ungrateful, cause I'm not. I'm very grateful for the work done on Haiku. If I did sound ungrateful, my apologies.[05:05:41] <Xeon3D> I've added more info to the ticket and hopefully someone will respond.[05:07:52] <SMCollins4321> with more info they may be able to[05:08:04] <Xeon3D> on a lighter and unrelated note[05:08:14] <Xeon3D> you didn't happen to check out that cheese pic I had on photo bucket SMCollins4321 ?[05:08:20] <SMCollins4321> no[05:09:05] <Xeon3D> that cheese is one of the rare things I've found in life which both awful and great at the same time.[05:09:55] <Xeon3D> It smells like socks that have been used for two weeks[05:10:08] <Xeon3D> but it tastes… great.[05:10:16] <jayrulez> :|[05:11:04] * SMCollins4321 not really a big cheese fan[05:11:59] <Xeon3D> I am :D[05:15:59] <SMCollins4321> where are you from ?[05:16:12] <dreamed> many kinds are delicious[05:16:35] <SMCollins4321> my wife reffers to me as a meativor[05:16:51] <dreamed> enjoy the kidneystones[05:17:09] *** falktx has joined #haiku[05:17:21] <SMCollins4321> what are those ?[05:17:27] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[05:17:35] <dreamed> the product of a meat-heavy diet[05:17:40] <dreamed> not saying don't eat meat[05:17:41] <dreamed> mmm meat[05:17:43] <dreamed> just saying[05:17:47] <SMCollins4321> kidney stones are cuased by excessive phosphorus from consuming soda-pop like pepsi etc[05:18:01] <SMCollins4321> and coffe[05:18:09] <SMCollins4321> caffine can have the same effect[05:18:15] <dreamed> maybe it was gallstones[05:18:27] <SMCollins4321> I eat my fibre to[05:18:28] <dreamed> there were stones, at any rate[05:19:10] <SMCollins4321> I hope not, I hear those hurt[05:19:18] <dreamed> yeah a friend of mine had them a while back[05:19:19] <dreamed> it wasn't pretty[05:19:34] <dreamed> especially not the collapsing in agony and needing to be taken to the hospital[05:19:46] <dreamed> nor the being ignored for 3 hours at the hospital[05:20:09] <Xeon3D> SMCollins4321: I'm from Portugal. I used to be the Translator for Portuguese for Haiku :)[05:20:24] <SMCollins4321> must be amrican health care, if you die and you don't have health insurance, they save $$[05:21:09] <dreamed> we're from NZ[05:21:12] <Xeon3D> I've found out that the cheese is exported worldwide.[05:21:12] <dreamed> we have real healthcare[05:21:15] <SMCollins4321> wow, thats odd[05:21:21] <dreamed> it's just that the after hours emergency room nurses are hopeless[05:22:00] <SMCollins4321> usually our ER's just wanna take the money from the states/local/federal government and then not deliver the care, Higher profits. Are your hospitals private or public ?[05:23:10] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[05:25:19] *** falktx has quit IRC[05:28:00] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[05:52:51] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44005 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=1a9e959 :[05:52:51] <CIA-37> If can't find generic 3 boxes icon, fill with transparent.[05:52:51] <CIA-37> If we can't find the generic 3 boxes icon we are really in trouble.[05:52:51] <CIA-37> But, showing garbage is not the right answer. Instead, fill the[05:52:51] <CIA-37> icon with transparent pixels. Tested all code paths. Hopefully this[05:52:51] <CIA-37> code will never need to be executed.[05:52:52] <CIA-37> * Rename kIconFormat to kIconColorSpace[05:56:20] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44006 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=20f438f : Tiny style fix[05:59:04] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44007 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=a4d1d8c : Another tiny style fix, sorry guys.[06:08:48] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[06:09:00] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[06:21:03] *** Spelln has quit IRC[06:22:05] <SMCollins4321> this could be huge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_6Hu3FoO08[06:22:27] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[06:23:09] * AlienSoldier going to check this[06:23:28] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44008 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=e5c6459 :[06:23:28] <CIA-37> Refactor the FetchAppIcon() method.[06:23:28] <CIA-37> Once we've found the icon bail out with return. This is functionally[06:23:28] <CIA-37> equivalent but is cleaner, decreases the indent level, and doesn't[06:23:28] <CIA-37> require an extra variable.[06:23:49] *** jimage has joined #haiku[06:23:52] <SMCollins4321> http://lunduke.com/forum/discussion/46/haiku-os-beapi-support-on-the-roadmap-[06:33:01] <AlienSoldier> SMCollins4321 btw, is that the guy from the linux radio show or watever the name?[06:33:41] <SMCollins4321> yes[06:33:51] <SMCollins4321> I find this fiarly exciting[06:35:02] *** jimage has quit IRC[06:36:28] <AlienSoldier> i always find those kind of project interesting but somewhat flawled (usually they made cool thing but backward). I have a similar project underway so i am still interested in watching this one. i am 8 min in so far it's like a state machine mixed with Amiga Vision.[06:37:14] *** jimage has joined #haiku[06:39:40] <SMCollins4321> makes allot of sense to me anyways[06:53:21] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[06:59:17] <AlienSoldier> lol, i like how he say UML suck :) it soooo do[07:01:18] <SMCollins4321> I like how he mentioned Haiku as a target, I am sure there were a ton of sideways looks with that one[07:07:48] <AlienSoldier> yes, as they don't have much graphic yet, it simpler. it remember how rebol was super multiplatform before rebol view.[07:08:10] <SMCollins4321> I think they make tackle some of this with modules[07:08:31] <AlienSoldier> it sure is a nice GUI script editor, but i still prefer Amiga Vision[07:08:46] <AlienSoldier> amiga vision was not having source code generation that said[07:08:49] <SMCollins4321> yes, how available is Amiga vision however ?[07:09:50] <AlienSoldier> unavailable :), but the REXX binding is :P[07:10:12] <SMCollins4321> lol[07:10:47] <AlienSoldier> i like the guy presenting, sure is a good seller[07:11:24] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[07:11:45] <SMCollins4321> Lunduke ? he makes a solid case for his product, make a good product, and it sells it self[07:28:17] <AlienSoldier> finished. interesting that he mentioned haiku many time and nobody asked what it was :) seem everybody is aware of it.[07:29:02] <SMCollins4321> or they have no clue and he didn't expound on i[07:29:04] <SMCollins4321> it[07:29:31] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:29:31] <AlienSoldier> like nobody want to say to the emperor he is nude[07:29:37] <AlienSoldier> perhaps[07:29:50] <SMCollins4321> Well, hell, theres a nude emporer, but its not haiku[07:30:00] <AlienSoldier> haiku?, sure i haiku every morning! :P[07:30:17] <SMCollins4321> lol[07:32:00] <SMCollins4321> off to sleep[07:32:02] <SMCollins4321> ttyl[07:32:06] *** SMCollins4321 has quit IRC[07:48:37] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[08:01:03] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[08:01:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[08:04:07] *** ubuntu-test has joined #haiku[08:04:21] *** ashish__ has joined #haiku[08:08:04] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:13:52] *** kunal_ has joined #haiku[08:14:44] *** kunal_ has quit IRC[08:15:59] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[08:42:16] *** markos_ has quit IRC[08:57:33] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44009 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=a73b93f : (log message trimmed)[08:57:33] <CIA-37> Transform Capabilites into a ColumnListView. Make window shorter.[08:57:33] <CIA-37> * Transform Capabilities to show a ColumnListView like Extensions.[08:57:33] <CIA-37> * Make the window 250px tall, much shorter than before.[08:57:33] <CIA-37> * Refactor both capabilities and extensions views.[08:57:33] <CIA-37> * This eliminated the need for ExtensionsList which has been deleted.[08:57:34] <CIA-37> * Move the gears image up.[09:10:22] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[09:11:28] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44010 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=fc85b72 : Fix build[09:19:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:22:27] *** markos_ has quit IRC[09:24:06] *** adev has joined #haiku[09:29:44] *** redblue has quit IRC[09:37:36] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[09:40:16] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[09:40:32] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44011 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=6cd1a63 : Update the Jamfile a bit adding OpenGLView.cpp to the DoCatalogs list.[09:43:52] *** P4R4N01D1 has joined #haiku[09:44:24] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[09:46:56] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[09:47:43] *** P4R4N01D1 is now known as P4R4N01D[09:48:21] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[09:52:14] *** Luko has joined #haiku[09:58:20] *** Luko has quit IRC[10:03:25] *** matkid has joined #haiku[10:03:43] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #346 of x86-Linux-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc4]] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux-host/builds/346 blamelist: jscipione at gmail dot com[10:07:57] *** markos_ has quit IRC[10:14:42] *** aldeck has quit IRC[10:21:32] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[10:27:48] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[10:34:09] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[10:48:36] *** matkid has quit IRC[10:49:02] *** Luko has joined #haiku[10:51:09] *** Luko has quit IRC[10:53:32] *** ashish__ has quit IRC[10:53:50] *** ashish__ has joined #haiku[10:54:28] <Anarchos> welcome ashish__[10:56:56] *** diver_ has left #haiku[11:00:25] *** diver_ has joined #haiku[11:01:47] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[11:02:36] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev44012 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=37da7b7 : (log message trimmed)[11:02:36] <CIA-37> Some Layout fixed to 3dRendering for different font sizes.[11:02:36] <CIA-37> Add glue between the gears view and the rest to make sure that[11:02:36] <CIA-37> the rest butts up against GearsView. Update the Preferred[11:02:36] <CIA-37> and Max size so that the spacing is appropriate. Make the window[11:02:37] <CIA-37> width smaller and allow the views to expand it.[11:02:38] <CIA-37> The ColumnListViews are still not set to respect different font[11:07:53] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #347 of x86-Linux-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux-host/builds/347[11:11:33] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[11:39:12] *** Luko has joined #haiku[11:44:54] *** Luko has quit IRC[12:09:16] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[12:09:42] *** duvjones has quit IRC[12:10:07] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[12:10:26] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[12:20:04] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[12:29:10] *** Luigi021 has quit IRC[12:37:54] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[12:37:55] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[12:45:24] *** arfunzu has quit IRC[13:00:15] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[13:00:50] <GeekShadow> hello[13:01:02] <GeekShadow> is haiku supporting yet multi users and x64 ?[13:01:48] <arfonzo> hi. no, and no[13:02:22] <Beretta021> heheh[13:07:04] *** AmineKhaldi__ has quit IRC[13:09:08] <GeekShadow> :D[13:09:47] <GeekShadow> what are the benefits of Haiku OS in compare of Linux then ?[13:10:24] <GeekShadow> I guess there are also no plan to go mobile ?[13:14:53] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:16:10] <leszek> hi[13:16:43] <adamk_> GeekShadow: Haiku OS isn't really trying to compete with Linux at this point in time, so a comparison in that regard is definately oranges to apples.[13:20:26] *** synchris has joined #haiku[13:20:27] *** synchris has joined #haiku[13:20:49] <mmu_man> reminder: it's "Haiku", not "Haiku OS"[13:21:36] <GeekShadow> adamk_: ok[13:23:17] <arfonzo> GeekShadow: I've started using Haiku recently, coming from years og Linux use. The two are pretty wildly different, both philosophically (which shows in the UI, as an example) and functionally. There are some ports for some well-known open source projects, if that helps.[13:23:59] <GeekShadow> those ports are old no ?[13:24:12] <GeekShadow> vlc 0.8, firefox 2 something like this ?[13:25:23] <GeekShadow> I really want to see Haiku success, but I guess it's kinda hard to take an old OS, and start from scratch[13:27:19] <GeekShadow> major points for me are arm/x64 support and a good web browser ;)[13:28:14] <arfonzo> some ports are old, some are actively maintained.[13:28:47] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[13:31:23] <GeekShadow> ok[13:38:26] <leszek> GeekShadow: WebPositive is a good webbrowser. The only thing missing really today is html5 audio & video tag support through mediakit[13:38:47] <leszek> but that needs an updated webkit port I guess[13:42:27] *** The123king has joined #haiku[13:43:33] <GeekShadow> leszek: yep[13:44:06] <GeekShadow> leszek: I also really want to see a recent version of Firefox running on Haiku[13:44:37] <GeekShadow> but I guess it involve a lot of work to port some libraries[13:50:41] <leszek> GeekShadow: yeah this is really hard[13:51:16] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[13:54:30] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[13:55:44] *** AmineKhaldi__ has joined #haiku[14:07:50] *** Tzibu has quit IRC[14:08:03] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[14:11:02] *** geist has quit IRC[14:12:21] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[14:16:48] *** markos_ has quit IRC[14:17:31] *** Luko has joined #haiku[14:30:29] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[14:30:47] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[14:32:04] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[14:34:39] *** Advant has joined #haiku[14:34:39] *** Advant has 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src/kits/tracker ?[16:43:29] <Anarchos> abhiin1947: in fact the app Tracker just links agains libtracker, which is located in src/kits and contains all the functional code[16:46:04] <abhiin1947> Anarchos, i cant find the libtracker folder...but src/kits/tracker has a lot of files...i'm guessing its one among them[16:49:06] <Anarchos> abhiin1947: just look for "context" in it :)[16:49:56] *** ashish__ has quit IRC[16:54:17] <abhiin1947> Anarchos, no luck[16:54:47] <abhiin1947> Anarchos, there is a slowcontextpopup but i dont think thats the one i'm looking for[17:08:11] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[17:08:33] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[17:10:50] <abhiin1947> Anarchos, finally found it..its containerwindow.cpp..thanks for the help :)[17:11:43] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[17:12:39] <Anarchos> abhiin1947: so it was in src/kits/tracker ?[17:22:23] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[17:22:24] *** PasNox has quit IRC[17:22:53] *** yongcong has left #haiku[17:28:07] *** tqh has joined 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