April 11, 2012 
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April 11, 2012 [00:02:51] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:03:01] *** kcj has quit IRC[00:03:01] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:06:05] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:06:09] *** zz_Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D[00:06:34] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[00:09:53] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[00:12:22] *** Cian has quit IRC[00:18:45] *** waveshaper has left #haiku[00:19:23] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:27:07] *** falktx has joined #haiku[00:50:31] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[00:53:30] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[01:00:45] *** arjen has quit IRC[01:02:10] <Xeon3D> I'm getting an error compiling haiku: Configuration x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu not supported[01:02:57] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[01:05:36] <Xeon3D> eh forget it, found the solution… :)[01:07:41] <Skipp_OSX> anybody on Haiku right now?[01:07:48] <Skipp_OSX> need a favor[01:08:27] <Xeon3D> Skipp_OSX not "now" but I'm working on it :P[01:09:50] <Skipp_OSX> Xeon3D, hurry, I need 2 things, first you need to have interwebs access, browser optional, 2, you need to have WonderBrush installed[01:09:50] *** alvdav has quit IRC[01:10:00] <Xeon3D> lolol[01:10:00] <Skipp_OSX> This is very Incosquential[01:10:05] <Xeon3D> it'll take a little bit[01:10:13] <Xeon3D> currently building 2nd set of build tools[01:11:23] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has quit IRC[01:12:15] <Skipp_OSX> Xeon3D, you probably won't have wonderbrush installed though...[01:12:30] <Xeon3D> just a matter of adding it to UserBuildProfile[01:12:49] <Xeon3D> if memory serves me right[01:13:10] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, it is, but if you don't you'll need to install it as an optional package[01:13:40] <Xeon3D> are you on OS X at the moment?[01:13:46] <Skipp_OSX> ja[01:13:49] <Skipp_OSX> err, yes[01:14:01] <Xeon3D> won't it be quicker for you to get a nightly image and vmware and set it up?[01:14:14] <Skipp_OSX> Xeon3D, probably, I am doing that now[01:14:20] <Skipp_OSX> well, R1A3[01:14:30] <Skipp_OSX> ol' reliable[01:14:44] *** kcj has quit IRC[01:14:59] *** kcj has joined #haiku[01:15:13] <Skipp_OSX> hmm, although I don't think ol' reliable supports VMWare's network card[01:15:53] <Xeon3D> I think you can change it on the vmx for an intel 1000 supported card[01:16:12] <Skipp_OSX> yeah I'll have to[01:16:31] <Skipp_OSX> ol' reliable could use an update :)[01:25:40] *** alexixor has quit IRC[01:29:06] <Xeon3D> btw what's considered default btw gcc2hybrid or gcc4hybrid?[01:29:16] <Skipp_OSX> nm, ol' reliable worked[01:29:21] <Skipp_OSX> gcc2h is default[01:30:09] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[01:32:48] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:34:10] <Xeon3D> yeah, building atm[01:34:27] <Xeon3D> btw guides section should be updated[01:34:42] <Xeon3D> VLC is not supported as an optional package on the userconfigbuild[01:34:45] <Xeon3D> nor is Firefox[01:37:16] *** txtsd has quit IRC[01:44:57] *** falktx has quit IRC[01:45:02] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[01:47:54] *** orbital_fox has quit IRC[01:48:04] *** ubuntu-test has quit IRC[01:51:09] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[01:51:25] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[01:55:15] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:56:00] *** synchris has quit IRC[01:58:45] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:59:44] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[02:00:07] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[02:00:16] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[02:04:24] *** FrStm has quit IRC[02:04:54] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[02:05:39] *** FrStm has joined #haiku[02:06:14] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:07:33] <Xeon3D> how does one reload or erase the network card's configuration?[02:07:57] <Xeon3D> My ethernet was showing, but when I went to setup Wifi it crashed and after a reboot the ethernet card is not showing anymore[02:10:41] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[02:11:10] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[02:14:16] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[02:16:07] *** falktx has joined #haiku[02:16:24] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[02:16:48] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[02:17:54] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[02:21:58] <Xeon3D> wow haiku has improved quite a bit since last time I tried it[02:22:14] <Xeon3D> It boots perfectly on one of my Sandy Bridge systems[02:22:16] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[02:22:54] *** juaa_ has quit IRC[02:34:36] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[02:35:02] *** falktx has quit IRC[02:36:44] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[02:36:50] *** SMCollins21 has joined #haiku[02:39:09] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[02:39:18] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[02:43:33] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[02:44:44] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[02:45:23] *** aldeck has quit IRC[02:50:08] *** falktx has joined #haiku[02:50:15] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[02:55:31] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[02:56:31] *** falktx has quit IRC[02:58:05] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[02:58:26] *** hamishm has quit IRC[02:59:55] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[03:00:59] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[03:06:23] <Xeon3D> woohoo[03:06:35] <SMCollins21> ??[03:07:10] <Xeon3D> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 53 mins 1.818 sec[03:07:12] <Xeon3D> :D[03:07:27] <Xeon3D> works perfectly on one of my Sandy Bridge systems[03:07:30] <SMCollins21> pffttt[03:07:38] <SMCollins21> I got one thats been up for 3 months[03:07:41] <SMCollins21> hehehe[03:07:48] <SMCollins21> Graphics work to ?[03:07:50] <Xeon3D> oh, i've just installed this[03:08:07] <Xeon3D> resolution change does, but the gpu is not being properly detected or there might not be yet support for it[03:08:18] <Xeon3D> it's using vesa for the moment[03:08:57] <SMCollins21> I was hoping you'd say it did work[03:09:02] <Xeon3D> it also doesn't know my cpu[03:09:13] <Xeon3D> well it works... it shows stuff at the proper resolution[03:09:22] <SMCollins21> starnge I thouhgt mmlr did some work on the newer intel stuff[03:09:27] <Xeon3D> that's good enough for me[03:09:37] <Xeon3D> it's not like it plays 3d games or so[03:09:47] <SMCollins21> Vesa works great, as long as you get the proper resolution[03:09:54] <Xeon3D> yeah[03:09:58] <Xeon3D> teapot doing 500 fps[03:10:01] <SMCollins21> I belive someone is working on the gaming problem[03:11:08] <Xeon3D> kallisti5 is working on supporting AMD Cards / mesa so it might be him[03:11:38] <SMCollins21> yes, and amazing intel contributes to the gallium 3d driver, so its a gateway to going further[03:12:36] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[03:13:30] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[03:14:06] <Xeon3D> gonna try booting haiku on the usually problematic sandy bridge system[03:15:52] <kallisti5> Not me :)[03:16:02] <kallisti5> Radeon HD is enough for me to handle atm :)[03:16:49] <Xeon3D> heh as predicted KP at boot[03:17:56] *** falktx has joined #haiku[03:18:29] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[03:19:00] <SMCollins21> I didn't say you, I mentioned that you were whacking a path through the jungle, I did not imply you were building a dedicated network of superhighways[03:19:12] * SMCollins21 hides from kallisti5[03:19:51] <SMCollins21> "At a risk of being called sexist, ageist and French, if you put multimedia, a leather skirt and lipstick on a grandmother and take her to a nightclub, she's still not going to get lucky."[03:19:52] <SMCollins21> - JLG comments on the adding of features to Windows in a New York Times Interview.[03:20:00] <SMCollins21> still true today[03:21:36] <Xeon3D> gah... doesn't boot :([03:22:46] <Xeon3D> what's the 5th boot icon for? the first 4 load and then kp :P[03:23:44] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[03:23:48] *** falktx has quit IRC[03:24:23] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[03:27:50] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[03:28:10] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[03:28:45] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[03:31:48] <SMCollins21> typically it means storage initialization, hold shift and goto the onscreen debugger[03:31:51] <SMCollins21> snap a picture[03:32:32] *** falktx has joined #haiku[03:33:10] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[03:35:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:35:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:37:06] *** alexixor has quit IRC[03:37:57] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[03:38:41] *** falktx has quit IRC[03:40:27] *** Megaf has quit IRC[03:40:33] <Xeon3D> uploading pic from haiku (on the 1st box) it'll take a bit[03:40:58] <Xeon3D> argh web+ crashed :P[03:41:39] <SMCollins21> web+ crashed ? thats unusual[03:41:55] <SMCollins21> usually it just hangs for a minute then refuses to load page elements[03:42:21] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[03:42:21] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[03:43:34] *** FrStm has quit IRC[03:45:07] <Xeon3D> it crashed after tryng to upload a 2mb photo to imgur[03:46:00] <SMCollins21> hmmm I have noticed its a bit tempermental about that lately[03:46:17] *** FrStm has joined #haiku[03:46:44] *** falktx has joined #haiku[03:47:00] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[03:51:07] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[03:51:49] *** falktx has quit IRC[03:55:49] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[03:56:30] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[03:57:03] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[03:58:31] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:04:16] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:05:48] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[04:06:58] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[04:13:22] <CIA-37> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev43990 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=830c6e8 : Add an unfinished icon for Links2[04:23:51] *** Advant_ has quit IRC[04:30:23] <Xeon3D> lol[04:30:35] <Xeon3D> ./configuring with -j9 on a 5ghz Core i7 is fun[04:32:26] <dreamed> hrmm[04:32:28] <dreamed> Skipp_OSX: you about?[04:32:37] <Skipp_OSX> hello[04:32:49] <dreamed> do you have / know anyone with a copy of Tiger for PPC? I can't get it through ADC anymore[04:32:57] <dreamed> have a G4 running Panther[04:33:04] <Skipp_OSX> um, legally speaking, no...[04:33:36] <dreamed> that's fine[04:33:41] <dreamed> they don't really care as long as you bought the hardware[04:34:23] <dreamed> and it's not supported anymore[04:34:29] <dreamed> hence not being available in ADC[04:34:34] <dreamed> reminds me: should install mountain lion[04:34:53] <Skipp_OSX> well, in that case, maybe[04:36:14] <DDevine> Xeon3D: I only just discovered the wonders of -j4 -j9 would be a 60 second build lol[04:36:30] <DDevine> Assuming you had the disk speed (ramdisk?)[04:36:42][04:37:22] <Skipp_OSX> I found Jaguar[04:37:26] * dreamed shudders[04:37:39] <dreamed> I'm sure I had a 10.4 ISO somewhere[04:37:47] <dreamed> humm wonder if it's on the drive I have here at work[04:37:51] <dreamed> should check post-mlion[04:38:26] <Skipp_OSX> I found 10.1[04:38:41] <Skipp_OSX> I got 9 too[04:38:45] <Xeon3D> dreamed: betaarchive.com -> register -> make 10 constructive posts -> get it from FTP[04:39:15] <Xeon3D> DDevine: sadly the wget part of the build script is taking longer than the compiling itself :([04:39:24] <Skipp_OSX> and I have Leopard, SL, and Lion[04:39:46] <dreamed> heh[04:39:54] <dreamed> Xeon3D: I shall take that under consideration, thanks[04:40:06] <dreamed> 2min until mlion restart[04:40:07] <dreamed> w00t[04:40:14] <Skipp_OSX> dreamed: how do you propose that I get you Tiger?[04:40:17] <dreamed> clearly I don't have enough computers/screens in front of me[04:40:19] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:40:21] <dreamed> Skipp_OSX: that's a good question[04:40:42] <dreamed> I don't have an ftp handy, though possibly I could configure one[04:40:51] <dreamed> snail mail? could post something back in exchange? ;)[04:41:11] <Skipp_OSX> what the hell would I want in exchange for Tiger?[04:41:16] <Skipp_OSX> a blank CD? Haha[04:41:22] <dreamed> pretty much anything, I'd guess[04:41:40] <Skipp_OSX> can't you just torrent it?[04:41:42] * dreamed wonders if mlion will fix the stupid battery issues[04:41:49] <dreamed> Skipp_OSX: we have a three strikes law, so I'm reluctant[04:42:03] <dreamed> torrent is the only thing they check though, so anything else would work[04:42:09] <dreamed> hmm[04:42:14] <dreamed> I wonder if this archive-and-installs[04:42:21] <dreamed> since it never asked[04:43:17] <SMCollins21> beshare[04:44:24] <Skipp_OSX> no wares on BeShare...[04:44:51] <Skipp_OSX> dreamed: I have the disk right here, but, I'm afraid there is no way to send it to you[04:45:49] <SMCollins21> not on the tycom server,[04:46:20] *** sty has joined #haiku[04:47:17] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:52:10] <Xeon3D> I'm going to try it with a ram disk DDevine[04:53:04] <Xeon3D> dreamed go check that forum, it's ftp with ssl/tls so it's doubtful you can get caught[04:53:59] <dreamed> all good[04:58:46] <Xeon3D> 59 secs for 1st /configure[05:06:58] <Xeon3D> forgot to time 2nd :P[05:08:00] <Skipp_OSX> this is the best error message I have ever seen gcc produce: src/preferences/3drendering/GearsView.h:26: missing ';' before right brace[05:08:24] <SMCollins21> thats fiarly concise isn't it ?[05:08:37] <Skipp_OSX> it's extremely accurate[05:09:07] <Skipp_OSX> usually it is not[05:11:40] <SMCollins21> yeah, I was thinking the same thing, typically its like, web not found, you fial, try again later plase[05:16:13] <SMCollins21> does BeOS max require a boot disk floppy ?[05:16:46] <Xeon3D> yup[05:16:55] <SMCollins21> anyway around that ?[05:17:00] <Xeon3D> there was one for intel and one for amd iirc[05:17:17] <SMCollins21> I don't have any functional floppys or floppy drives.[05:17:19] <Xeon3D> there was a way to make a new iso with the floppy as boot iirc[05:17:38] <Xeon3D> I mean the floppy as the boot part of the iso[05:19:36] <SMCollins21> yeah, that would work[05:19:54] <SMCollins21> I have a p3 and p4 machine handy[05:24:16] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[05:25:20] <SMCollins21> ok, so I found the boot img, and the iso, whats next ?[05:32:51] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[05:34:18] *** P4R4N01D has joined #haiku[05:37:00] *** Xeon3D is now known as zz_Xeon3D[05:39:01] *** SMCollins21 has quit IRC[05:40:49] *** {V} has quit IRC[05:45:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:05:21] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:07:36] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:12:04] *** {V} has joined #haiku[06:18:26] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[06:19:33] *** adb has quit IRC[06:21:52] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:22:45] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[06:22:52] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[06:23:23] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[06:27:11] *** falktx has joined #haiku[06:27:12] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[06:33:45] *** {V} has quit IRC[06:36:52] *** {V} has joined #haiku[06:50:18] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[06:52:19] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[06:57:29] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[07:00:25] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[07:31:51] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[07:32:33] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[07:54:25] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:01:34] *** orealis has joined #haiku[08:17:00] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[08:29:28] *** ashish__ has joined #haiku[08:52:33] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev43991 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=e92a0e8 : Style fixes only [3 commits][09:02:48] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[09:06:38] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev43992 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=d187a1e : Put 'Hide application names' checkbox before Icon Size slider in Desbkar Preferences.[09:20:37] *** Cian has joined #haiku[09:26:28] *** Luigi021 is now known as Beretta021[09:35:42] *** Cian has quit IRC[09:41:04] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[09:42:14] *** swarfega|away is now known as swarfega[09:43:01] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev43993 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=9748fb4 :[09:43:01] <CIA-37> Small tweak to time menu options in Deskbar[09:43:01] <CIA-37> Change "Change time..." menu item in Deskbar clock contextual[09:43:01] <CIA-37> menu to "Open time preferences..." because you can do a lot more[09:43:01] <CIA-37> than just change the current time there.[09:50:00] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:59:07] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:10:42] *** synchris has quit IRC[10:13:59] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:13:59] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:14:32] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[10:14:59] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[10:17:24] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:17:24] *** synchris has joined #haiku[10:28:13] *** falktx has quit IRC[10:32:15] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[10:36:03] *** sty has quit IRC[10:38:56] *** adev has joined #haiku[11:01:40] *** sambagirl has joined #haiku[11:13:02] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[11:16:18] *** waveshaper has left #haiku[11:16:18] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[11:19:17] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[11:19:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o 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This almost looks like the Links 2 icon but in 3D. I'm afraid I'll have to rely on stippi to fix the shadows.[12:52:51] *** AmineKhaldi__ has quit IRC[13:06:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:08:43] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[13:23:11] *** Advant has joined #haiku[13:25:41] *** zz_Xeon3D is now known as Xeon3D[13:30:24] *** Advant has quit IRC[13:35:27] <CIA-37> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev43995 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=c7b10ca :[13:35:27] <CIA-37> Fix shadows for the boxes[13:35:27] <CIA-37> Not sure how to do the L shadow.[13:41:55] *** AmineKhaldi__ has joined #haiku[13:42:02] *** adb has joined #haiku[13:43:09] *** AmineKhaldi__ has quit IRC[13:43:20] *** AmineKhaldi__ has joined #haiku[13:45:17] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[13:52:10] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[14:03:23] <Xeon3D> gah Haiku-files kills my compiles :P[14:04:02] <Xeon3D> is there a way to download packages in OptionalPackages before compilation?[14:12:44] *** orealis has quit IRC[14:12:46] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[14:13:12] *** alexixor has quit IRC[14:15:52] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[14:16:37] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[14:18:48] *** geist has quit IRC[14:18:56] *** orealis has joined #haiku[14:26:39] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[14:26:59] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[14:27:02] *** orealis has quit IRC[14:27:23] *** orealis has joined #haiku[14:27:34] *** aldeck has quit IRC[14:28:36] *** AmineKhaldi__ has quit IRC[14:29:49] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:32:49] *** orealis has quit IRC[14:32:57] *** orealis has joined #haiku[14:34:17] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[14:43:17] *** AmineKhaldi__ has joined #haiku[14:50:12] *** leguin has joined #haiku[14:50:16] *** Hiryu has quit IRC[14:53:05] *** mitknil has quit IRC[14:57:51] *** bga has joined #haiku[14:58:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bga[14:59:45] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:01:32] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[15:05:37] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:13:04] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[15:21:03] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[15:26:03] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[15:52:11] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[16:00:35] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:01:01] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[16:32:42] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[16:36:39] *** ashish__ has quit IRC[16:42:15] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[16:53:03] <jayrulez> Hello guys[16:53:35] <jayrulez> Is there any documentation with diagrams that shows the architecture of haiku?[16:54:03] <jayrulez> I've scoured the website for this kind of documentation but didn't find any.[16:54:10] <jayrulez> found*[16:54:51] <OmniMancer> no find is correct there[16:56:10] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[16:57:19] <jayrulez> Sounded wrong after reading it back...[16:58:05] <jayrulez> Should I assume that the BeOS diagrams also apply to Haiku?[16:58:27] <OmniMancer> I think they might vaguely apply[16:59:33] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[16:59:33] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[17:01:10] <jayrulez> I figure ones like these are so http://img.freebase.com/api/trans/image_thumb/wikipedia/images/en_id/8678399?maxheight=510&mode=fit&maxwidth=510[17:01:46] <OmniMancer> its not quite like that[17:02:34] <jayrulez> Bar the microkernel, what else is different?[17:03:13] <OmniMancer> the microkernel :P[17:03:32] <OmniMancer> though I have no idea what an ANSI server is[17:04:56] <jayrulez> ha[17:06:00] <jayrulez> Ar u aware of any more decomposed diagram for BeOS/Haiku? That's the best i found in google image search[17:07:13] *** unthdarr has quit IRC[17:07:29] <OmniMancer> there might be one on a haiku flyer[17:07:34] <OmniMancer> but I don't really know[17:07:37] <OmniMancer> why do you need one?[17:09:25] <mmu_man> jayrulez: that's way inaccurate even for BeOS, at least post R1 :D[17:10:08] <jayrulez> I'm trying to understand how Haiku is constructed[17:10:25] <mmu_man> jayrulez: http://eurosys2010.sigops-france.fr/poster_demo/eurosys2010-final17.pdf[17:10:27] <jayrulez> looking on the code is ok but fancy diagrams always help :)[17:10:55] <OmniMancer> mmu_man: in what way is it inaccurate?[17:11:03] <OmniMancer> aside from the microkernel[17:11:11] <OmniMancer> and the dubious lack of libroot[17:11:17] <OmniMancer> and library separations[17:11:44] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[17:11:53] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[17:11:54] <mmu_man> OmniMancer: the microkernel actually :p[17:12:15] <mmu_man> even though there used to be one long ago[17:12:19] <mmu_man> it was called nukernel BTW[17:12:44] <OmniMancer> mmu_man: he already knew the microkernel was wrong so :/[17:13:11] <jayrulez> mmu_man: Thank you for the link[17:13:23] *** unthdarr has joined #haiku[17:20:59] *** CHORT has quit IRC[17:22:00] *** CHORT has joined #haiku[17:29:26] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[17:31:12] *** falktx has joined #haiku[17:32:54] *** PasNox has quit IRC[17:47:18] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[17:49:10] <mmu_man> always funny: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=523754&postcount=33[17:49:59] *** CHORT has quit IRC[17:50:51] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[17:52:12] *** Cian has joined #haiku[17:56:47] <jayrulez> I thought i read that amiga doesn't have memory protection, or was that AROS[17:56:51] <jayrulez> ?[17:58:26] <OmniMancer> mmu_man: ?[17:58:47] *** Cian has quit IRC[17:59:10] <mmu_man> AmigaOS[17:59:31] <mmu_man> AROS neither, to emulate it[17:59:43] <mmu_man> since apps directly manipulate system lists[17:59:49] <mmu_man> they must all live in the same address space[18:00:01] <mmu_man> and the original amiga didn't have an mmu anyway[18:00:19] <mmu_man> and most later models used EC chips which didn't have it either[18:01:34] <OmniMancer> hmmm[18:01:41] <OmniMancer> sounds like bad design[18:02:00] <OmniMancer> with silent memory corruption, the silent killer[18:03:34] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[18:04:23] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[18:05:40] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:12:52] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[18:19:06] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[18:21:33] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[18:28:48] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[18:30:39] <mmu_man> well it was another time[18:40:20] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[18:48:07] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:48:54] *** adev has quit IRC[18:49:13] *** geist has joined #haiku[18:49:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[18:49:27] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[18:50:53] *** BDifferent has joined #haiku[18:51:19] <BDifferent> hello Haiku users :-)[18:52:26] <humdinger> hi BDifferent[18:52:57] <BDifferent> (@humdinger: finn here :-) )[18:53:10] <BDifferent> i want to install a recent nightly[18:53:12] <humdinger> ah. in disguise[18:53:14] <BDifferent> have alpha 3 installed[18:53:59] <humdinger> best put an anyboot image on a USB stick,[18:54:14] <humdinger> boot from that and install onto a blank partition[18:54:20] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[18:54:20] <BDifferent> can i install over the alpha or do i have to init the partition before? i.e. has something changed WRT to on disk structure or something similar?[18:54:43] <humdinger> nothing that low level that I know of.[18:55:02] <humdinger> But initiiazing is always safer concerning sideeffects...[18:55:08] <BDifferent> i would like to keep the partition because i have files on the partition and Haiku often crashes when copying to my FAT32 stick[18:55:19] <humdinger> here too...[18:55:22] <BDifferent> hoe the improves with the recent nightly :-)[18:55:39] <humdinger> There were no changes concerning FAT32, I think.[18:56:00] <BDifferent> you mean it still crashes often at your PC when accessing fat drives?[18:56:29] <humdinger> yes. I only risk accessing FAT32 USB sticks.[18:56:36] <BDifferent> then a recent nightly would probably bring no improvement[18:56:38] <BDifferent> okay[18:56:59] <BDifferent> then I have to do it via the stick[18:57:12] <humdinger> I doubt it. But it's still better than the old a3 :)[18:57:33] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:58:05] <BDifferent> yup. strangely my NIC is not recognized, but I am sre I had a connection via LAN at BeGeistert 021 (?; spring of 2010)[18:58:17] <BDifferent> otherwise I could just transfer the files over network[18:58:24] <BDifferent> sre -> sure[18:58:34] *** kag_anil has joined #haiku[18:58:54] <humdinger> Best try after booting that nightly USB stick.[18:59:04] <BDifferent> I will have a go with the nightly and will hopefully have a network connection then[18:59:08] <BDifferent> ah good idea :-)[18:59:28] <BDifferent> already burnt a cd with the nightly so i will have a try with that[19:00:10] <humdinger> Haven't burnt a CD in a long time. USB is just quicker.[19:00:25] <humdinger> Also I don't know if I can burn under Haiku at all...[19:04:43] <BDifferent> burned it in windows[19:05:23] <humdinger> In the past I had more success burning the anyboot image to CD than the ISO.[19:09:18] <BDifferent> yep, did that and it worked; r43877; ATM in live cd mode and NIC is recognized :-)[19:09:36] *** Luko has joined #haiku[19:09:46] <humdinger> you mean r43977?[19:12:23] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[19:12:49] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[19:14:08] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[19:14:17] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[19:22:31] *** BDifferent has quit IRC[19:28:03] *** arjen_ has joined #haiku[19:29:51] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[19:30:32] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[19:36:26] *** sambagirl has quit IRC[19:41:02] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[19:42:13] *** vezhlys has joined #haiku[19:43:31] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[19:44:05] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[19:48:05] *** Premislaus_ has quit IRC[19:52:35] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[19:56:48] *** fhein has joined #haiku[20:01:52] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:05:39] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:06:09] <Anarchos> Who is using an X server on haiku ?[20:09:05] <Premislaus> nobody?[20:10:26] <Anarchos> Premislaus i am able to launch Xbeos and get a window with the cursor, but not able to launch an application in it[20:11:29] <Premislaus> I never used...But why do you need it?[20:12:11] <Anarchos> Premislaus i just finished to compile the alliance CAD VLSI toolchain, but it uses X as the graphical layer[20:12:59] <Premislaus> wait a minute[20:15:06] *** alexixor has quit IRC[20:15:39] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:16:44] *** alvdav has joined #haiku[20:16:46] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:16:49] <Premislaus> This man used - http://haiku-os.pl/node/1244 and http://tiltos.com/drupal/ Write him an e-mail[20:17:15] <Anarchos> Premislaus[20:17:17] <Anarchos> thanks[20:17:48] <Premislaus> http://www.linkedin.com/in/grzegorzdabrowski[20:21:49] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[20:21:53] *** falktx has quit IRC[20:27:07] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[20:27:08] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[20:35:05] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[20:38:02] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[20:39:14] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[20:39:35] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[20:40:17] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[20:40:25] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[20:49:47] <alvdav> is there a shortcut to hide all windows on a workspace?[20:52:58] *** duvjones has quit IRC[20:55:35] <Premislaus> maybe CTRL+ALT+H?[20:58:42] *** Luko has quit IRC[21:00:12] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[21:01:09] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[21:02:24] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[21:03:03] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[21:03:28] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[21:03:41] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[21:06:25] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[21:10:14] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[21:10:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[21:13:07] *** luroh has quit IRC[21:16:06] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[21:16:07] *** falktx has joined #haiku[21:16:18] <SMCollins> ctrl + m iirc[21:16:49] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev43996 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=f454574 : Fix style issues Axel brought up.[21:19:05] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[21:21:55] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev43997 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=5af067f :[21:21:55] <CIA-37> radeon_hd: Style fix in new ring code [2 commits][21:21:55] <CIA-37> * Thanks Axel for catching this.[21:26:32] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[21:26:34] *** VNA9216 has quit IRC[21:32:01] *** mitknil has quit IRC[21:35:33] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:36:05] *** synchris has quit IRC[21:37:44] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[21:40:57] <Anarchos> Premislaus oclock is working...[21:41:24] <Premislaus> hmm? oclock?[21:42:34] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev43998 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=25dba9f : Fix another instance of < B_OK vs != B_OK[21:42:42] *** petterhj has quit IRC[21:42:52] *** Tzibu has quit IRC[21:43:25] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[21:43:54] <Anarchos> Premislaus a little app displaying a clock in the X window[21:44:12] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_extension[21:45:44] *** Premislaus_ has joined #haiku[21:48:24] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[21:48:26] *** Premislaus_ is now known as Premislaus[21:48:38] *** Tzibu has joined #haiku[21:49:28] <Premislaus> Anarchos you still a problems with x server?[21:49:39] <Premislaus> *still have[21:50:24] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev43999 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=e6cafb1 : Fix a few more style issues.[21:50:54] *** sambagirl has joined #haiku[21:51:42] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:02:42] <Anarchos> Premislaus i can't launch xterm but i can launch twm. Seems related to input method and/or locale[22:06:37] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:06:56] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[22:07:07] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[22:08:37] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[22:08:57] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:09:10] *** dcase has joined #haiku[22:10:09] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[22:12:05] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[22:12:41] *** kag_anil has quit IRC[22:12:43] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[22:13:00] *** Luigi021 has joined #haiku[22:13:01] *** Luigi021 has joined #haiku[22:13:22] *** Luigi021 has quit IRC[22:13:37] *** Luigi021 has joined #haiku[22:13:50] *** bga has quit IRC[22:16:08] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[22:16:39] *** falktx has quit IRC[22:23:51] *** SMCollins2 has joined #haiku[22:28:27] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:29:48] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:30:54] *** Luigi021 has quit IRC[22:31:41] *** Luigi021 has joined #haiku[22:33:47] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:38:27] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:44:24] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:01:17] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[23:05:04] *** Skipp_OSXI has joined #haiku[23:05:42] *** dcase has quit IRC[23:08:38] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[23:24:27] *** orealis has quit IRC[23:29:06] *** aldeck has quit IRC[23:35:04] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:37:14] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[23:38:10] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:39:05] <Anarchos> pfoetchen hi[23:39:16] <Anarchos> Premislaus i am back[23:39:46] <Premislaus> Anarchos :)[23:40:34] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[23:40:57] <Premislaus> How are you keeping? with x-server in Haiku?[23:41:42] <Anarchos> As oclock was working, i am recompiling my VLSI toolchain to see if it can be launched (i missed the install part you know, it may happen..)[23:41:42] *** alexixor has quit IRC[23:41:54] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[23:42:51] <Anarchos> Premislaus on my todo list : write tons of sed scripts to transform an X application source into a Haiku native one :)[23:44:19] <Premislaus> good to know that something is happening with Haiku[23:45:29] <Premislaus> would be nice have native Ligthworks or Virtualdub[23:45:29] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[23:46:22] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightworks - is to be open source[23:47:15] <Premislaus> Haiku MediaConverter has little features[23:48:31] <Premislaus> Anarchos You wrote him an e-mail?[23:49:21] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[23:50:21] <Anarchos> Premislaus whom ?[23:50:33] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[23:50:41] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[23:50:50] <Premislaus> TiltOS[23:50:56] <Anarchos> not until i can test if the VLSI toochain can run on the X server[23:51:51] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[23:52:58] <Anarchos> Premislaus as i am really unskilled in the media kit, i won't try to do something like lightworks :)[23:53:41] <CIA-37> haiku.master: korli * hrev44000 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=b95fa24 : ffmpeg: don't use deprecated API in AVCodecDecoder.[23:56:16] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[23:58:17] *** AmineKhaldi has joined #haiku[23:58:18] <Premislaus> Anarchos: Maybe the wi-fi drivers? I have a problem with the driver... The problem is that I can not handle with a debugger. A few friends of programmers told me that one must first determine the cause in this way. http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8295#comment:5[23:58:35] *** AmineKhaldi__ has quit IRC[23:59:28] <Premislaus> BTW Dell U2412M - Does anyone else have this monitor?[23:59:57] <Anarchos> Premislaus i am not a haiku developer , just a user , i never tried to code some kernel related stuff like driver and so on