April 10, 2012 
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April 10, 2012 [00:01:22] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[00:05:04] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:06:25] *** Ingenu has left #haiku[00:06:40] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[00:08:20] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:09:41] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[00:19:22] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[00:19:37] *** Advant- has joined #haiku[00:20:37] <Premislaus> http://code.google.com/p/eiskaltdc/ - russian client DC++ for Haiku[00:22:09] <Premislaus> somebody use it?[00:22:13] *** Luko has quit IRC[00:22:17] *** VNA9216 has quit IRC[00:22:38] <SMCollins> theres a version iirc on haikuware,[00:22:44] <SMCollins> IIRC it does work[00:25:18] <jayrulez> i wonder if DDEKit could help haiku with graphics acceleration?[00:25:32] *** arjen has quit IRC[00:30:56] <SMCollins> doubtful, Kallisti5 "lurking I see" is working on gallium3d port[00:31:23] <SMCollins> I am fiarly sure he is making some good progress to iirc[00:31:52] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:32:13] <SMCollins> time to head home, ttyl[00:38:50] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[00:39:06] *** aldeck has quit IRC[00:42:08] *** SuperMario021 has quit IRC[00:48:40] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #327 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Exception [exception interrupted] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/327 blamelist: kallisti5 at unixzen dot com[00:53:17] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #13 of buildtools_urias-linux64 is complete: Failure [failed x86gcc2-build-cross-tools x86gcc4-build-cross-tools ppc-build-cross-tools] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/buildtools_urias-linux64/builds/13[00:59:02] *** Huggy has quit IRC[01:00:06] *** infotek has joined #haiku[01:12:53] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[01:13:40] *** falktx has quit IRC[01:16:17] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[01:18:18] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[01:22:29] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[01:22:44] *** Negr0_VoP2P has quit IRC[01:32:26] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:32:26] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:34:24] 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Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/buildtools_urias-linux64/builds/14[04:43:24] *** _marc` has quit IRC[04:43:33] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev43982 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=893c33e :[04:43:33] <CIA-37> radeon_hd: Fix silly scope bug in connector_read_mode_lvds[04:43:33] <CIA-37> * Local malloc isn't guaranteed outside function[04:52:45] *** sdsk8 has joined #haiku[04:58:12] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[05:01:38] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev43983 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=44fcb75 : GLife: Add new screensaver into image.[05:05:55] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[05:19:27] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[05:26:20] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:36:50] *** sdsk8 has quit IRC[05:54:30] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[05:55:19] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[05:57:12] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[06:12:56] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[06:20:18] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[06:29:17] *** 18VAAD1KD has quit IRC[06:30:19] *** tr-808 has joined #haiku[06:41:14] <SMCollins2> tr-808: thats a synth isn;t it ?[06:47:08] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:51:43] *** Hiryu has quit IRC[06:55:10] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[06:55:11] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[07:04:30] <scanty> tr800 is a drum machine[07:04:34] <scanty> 808*[07:04:47] <scanty> very famous one at that.[07:15:14] *** Hiryu has joined #haiku[07:19:50] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[07:27:12] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[07:28:55] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:30:38] <Skipp_OSX> hi SMCollins[07:37:09] <CIA-37> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev43984 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=95e02d4 : Remove superfluous colons [4 commits][07:46:44] <SMCollins2> any one ever see a functional copy of VideoWave for BeOS ?[07:55:57] *** duvjones has quit IRC[07:56:24] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[07:58:33] <SMCollins2> off to sleep ttyl[07:58:36] *** SMCollins2 has quit IRC[08:13:03] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[08:44:38] *** Megaf has quit 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quit IRC[17:41:40] *** AmineKhaldi has joined #haiku[17:42:46] *** yongcong has quit IRC[17:50:38] *** adev has quit IRC[17:55:22] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:58:39] *** kag_anil has joined #haiku[18:00:17] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[18:00:21] *** yongcong has joined #haiku[18:12:02] *** yongcong has quit IRC[18:20:41] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[18:21:18] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[18:29:49] <CIA-37> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev43985 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=75cc1db : Typo.[18:32:10] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[18:33:01] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[18:33:04] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[18:43:52] <CIA-37> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev43986 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=cffda6b :[18:43:52] <CIA-37> Add PPC to U-Boot bootloader support.[18:43:52] <CIA-37> This should be useful for SAM440 and SAM460 boards for example.[18:43:52] <CIA-37> The generic U-Boot code still has some ARM-specific parts that must be moved out though.[18:44:02] *** alexixor has quit IRC[18:44:15] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[18:48:31] *** bga has joined #haiku[18:48:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bga[18:52:25] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[18:57:21] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[18:59:18] <SMCollins> only 105 issue in the latest coverity scan, wasn't it allot higher just a year ago ?[18:59:35] <SMCollins> oh 106 new issues, ah[19:04:41] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[19:06:22] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:23:29] <pulkomandy> SMCollins: that's the count of "new issues", not the total count of what's left to parse[19:23:44] <pulkomandy> also, we removed a lot of 3rdparty code which is now handled as optional packages[19:23:54] <pulkomandy> we had a lot of issues inside this and didn't know what to do with it[19:23:55] <SMCollins> yeah, realized that when I reread the mail[19:24:08] <SMCollins> had a brain fart moment[19:24:08] <pulkomandy> (ffmpeg and friends)[19:24:13] <SMCollins> ahhh[19:24:28] <SMCollins> so I assume the scans look better with more of the 3rd party code moved out of the tree then ?[19:24:35] <pulkomandy> likely[19:24:51] <pulkomandy> didn't watch the results yet, but I remember >50% of the issues were in 3rd party stuff[19:24:56] <pulkomandy> and these never got closed[19:24:58] <SMCollins> I wish that whole process wasn't so secretive, I know its not the choice of the project but the policy of coverity[19:25:27] <SMCollins> did you try the new glife sceern saver yet ? looks good ![19:25:49] <pulkomandy> no... I'm in an "electronics design" mood at the moment so back to windows...[19:25:54] <pulkomandy> until someone ports Kicad[19:26:24] *** alexixor has quit IRC[19:34:17] <pulkomandy> also, I kind of like http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/?file=archive/source/screensavers/3DMorph-1.06-intel.zip[19:37:05] *** falktx has quit IRC[19:38:12] *** Huggy has quit IRC[19:41:17] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[19:41:24] <DaaT> howdy[19:42:18] <DaaT> anyone else having issues connecting to a WPA network? using rev 43955, it either can't connect to my router or it (rarely) connects but doesn't get an IP address and gets stuck with 169.x.x.x[19:42:38] <DaaT> using also the latest update to wpa[19:42:52] <DaaT> weird is, this combo was working last week when I installed this rev[19:43:18] *** P4R4N01D has quit IRC[19:45:18] *** sdsk8 has joined #haiku[19:45:49] *** Huggy has joined #haiku[19:55:56] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:55:56] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[19:56:10] <pulkomandy> DaaT: does your network card need a firmware ?[19:56:49] <DaaT> nope, it's an atheros AR9285[19:57:27] <pulkomandy> mh, ok, no idea then[19:57:37][20:00:07] <DaaT> :)[20:00:12] <DaaT> thanks anyway[20:00:19] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[20:01:41] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[20:01:41] *** mitknil has joined #haiku[20:02:05] *** Spacewalker has quit IRC[20:03:50] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:04:18] *** kag_anil has quit IRC[20:05:06] <SMCollins> pulkomandy: librecad work for you ?[20:07:56] <pulkomandy> doesn't look like the same thing...[20:08:11] <SMCollins> ahh[20:08:25] <pulkomandy> kicad is about electronics, schematics and PCB routing[20:08:31] <SMCollins> I thought I saw a beos circut design program a while ago, I use vizio allot for that[20:08:35] <pulkomandy> (ok, maybe not very well chosen name)[20:09:01] <pulkomandy> the problem is... I already have some files and don't want to convert them *again*[20:09:11] <pulkomandy> (already switched from Eagle some years ago...)[20:09:16] <SMCollins> I hear you[20:10:06] <SMCollins> port kicad to haiku, that would be sweet ![20:11:27] <pulkomandy> yes, but, as I said, right now I'm in the mood for doing electronics[20:12:06] <pulkomandy> (and, I need this SCSI SD card reader done now. My Amiga2000 hard disk is full, and I'm not going to buy more 2GB drives and stack them :)[20:13:43] <SMCollins> thats a ambitous project[20:13:49] <SMCollins> hats off to you[20:14:46] <pulkomandy> well, actually, I don't start from zero[20:14:52] <pulkomandy> http://micha.freeshell.org/pcmcia_drive/index.php[20:15:08] <pulkomandy> but, PCMCIA is about as outdated as SCSI by now :)[20:15:21] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[20:15:21] *** Spacewalker has joined #haiku[20:17:40] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:18:26] <SMCollins> pcmcia, ahhh those cute little add in cards[20:18:38] <SMCollins> I was always trying to keep the damn dongles organized[20:18:59] <DaaT> new poll over at ICO[20:19:06] <mmu_man> sadly, I dont think we'll ever support pcmcia in Haiku properly[20:19:30] <Skipp_OSX> hi SMCollins[20:19:30] <mmu_man> well unless I finish the Amiga port, since it has one[20:19:48] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[20:19:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[20:22:07] <mmu_man> plop[20:23:17] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[20:24:40] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[20:25:19] <mmu_man> pulkomandy: why not just CF ?[20:25:27] <mmu_man> btw there are SD-to-CF adapters[20:25:36] <mmu_man> does the 2000 have a pcmcia port ?[20:28:53] <Hubert_> no[20:29:04] <Hubert_> only A600 and 1200[20:29:20] <SMCollins> Hi skipp/ hello everyone else[20:29:54] <SMCollins> not supporting pcmcia, isn't all that aweful imho, it was sort of a flash in the pan iirc[20:30:27] <SMCollins> usb3.0 gives more bandwidth iirc, so its been replaced now[20:31:24] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[20:32:08] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[20:37:14] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[20:39:22] *** jayrulez has quit IRC[20:40:41] *** Negr0_VoP2P has joined #haiku[20:43:22] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[20:45:51] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[20:46:25] *** duvjones has quit IRC[20:46:47] *** orbital_fox has joined #haiku[20:46:58] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[20:48:25] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[20:50:18] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[20:51:54] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[20:54:40] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev43987 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=138f826 :[20:54:40] <CIA-37> radeon_hd: Add simple ring buffer[20:54:40] <CIA-37> * Does radeon specific buffer alignment.[20:54:40] <CIA-37> * Still very early (and not used yet).[21:07:59] *** mitknil has quit IRC[21:10:39] <mmu_man> ah, everyone has to write his ring-buffer funcs someday :D[21:10:49] <mmu_man> (mine were buggy IIRC =)[21:10:52] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[21:12:21] * SMCollins excited, ring buffer means good things ![21:13:37] <pulkomandy> mmu_man: SD card is very easy to connect to a microcontroller (standard SPI bus)[21:13:52][21:14:14] <SMCollins> what about good old fashioned usb interfaces for flash drives ?[21:14:36] <OmniMancer> hard to do with micros SMCollins[21:14:45] <pulkomandy> well, that's planned yes[21:14:52] <pulkomandy> but it needs a different microcontroller[21:15:26] <mmu_man> righto[21:15:40] <OmniMancer> one with atleast usb OTG[21:16:23] <mmu_man> SMCollins: yeah, even ExpressCard is basically PCI-express + USB, and most devices are just USB devices in another form factor[21:16:25] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:16:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:16:41] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:16:53] <pulkomandy> well, I got an expresscard SSd which use the pci express bus, nice upgrade for any laptop :)[21:16:56] <mmu_man> pulkomandy: share your designs, that might interest other Amiga users I know[21:16:59] <mmu_man> and Atari too[21:17:03] <pulkomandy> of course[21:17:15] <pulkomandy> I'm starting of a GPLed firmware anyway...[21:17:18] <mmu_man> ask Torlus on #atari.fr on ircnet :)[21:17:28] <pulkomandy> :)[21:17:42] <pulkomandy> well, he could do it better with FPGAs and stuff[21:17:46] <pulkomandy> but, I'm lazy :)[21:18:04] <mmu_man> I've had another idea about SCSI the other day...[21:18:20] <mmu_man> basically a USB controller on SCSI[21:18:35] <mmu_man> mass_storage is mostly SCSI-over-USB anyway[21:18:42] <mmu_man> and SCSI has types for other devices[21:19:01] <mmu_man> it couldbe an easy way to add USB support to old machines, like 68k macs, ...[21:19:03] <pulkomandy> well, I plan to use either an AT90SUSB or some LPC175x chip with USB host (or OTG) support, so that would be possible[21:19:12] <mmu_man> hm :)[21:19:21] <pulkomandy> but, first I need a storage solution for my Amiga[21:19:45] <mmu_man> hmm can't you just use a CF-IDE adapter ?[21:19:47] <pulkomandy> not to mention that the LPC175x chips run at 100MHz, which makes the 7MHz 68000 look silly next to it ;)[21:19:50] <mmu_man> there is an IDE bus anyway[21:19:56] <pulkomandy> not on the A2000[21:19:56] <mmu_man> no need for pcmcia[21:20:03] <mmu_man> only SCSI ?[21:20:11] <pulkomandy> SCSI is already on an expansion board[21:20:16] <mmu_man> ah ok[21:20:27] <SMCollins> doesn't every micro have a uart ?[21:20:37] <pulkomandy> yes, but a slow one[21:20:40] <SMCollins> just use a uart to usb tranlation device like a fpga[21:20:44] <OmniMancer> not an stm32f4 pulkomandy?[21:20:48] <SMCollins> how fast is the micro ?[21:21:00] <pulkomandy> OmniMancer: F4 ? do I need floating point stuff ?[21:21:14] <pulkomandy> and, no, I like the LPC design better, actually[21:21:19] <OmniMancer> ah[21:21:27] <OmniMancer> the F4 series runs faster[21:21:28] <mmu_man> hmm right, not that many connectors... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_2000[21:21:38] <OmniMancer> and has a lot of ram :)[21:21:48] <mmu_man> well the // port could be used[21:21:58] <pulkomandy> mmu_man: well, there's an expansion bus so I could design a card for this[21:22:03] <mmu_man> pulkomandy: ZIP drive ?[21:22:04] <OmniMancer> SMCollins: usb doesn't really work that way :/[21:22:04] <pulkomandy> but SCSI is a bit more universal[21:22:04] <mmu_man> :P[21:22:15] <mmu_man> yeah[21:22:22] <pulkomandy> mmu_man: actually I had 2 zipdrives and they both died when trying to use them[21:22:54] <pulkomandy> 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