April 5, 2012 
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April 5, 2012 [00:00:59] <JuniperJaxx> the other thing i have to figure out is wireless[00:01:02] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[00:01:06] <JuniperJaxx> the bcm firmware does not compile for some reason[00:01:20] <JuniperJaxx> it was getting late yesterday so i really did not have time to lookinto it that much[00:02:40] <SMCollins1> you should just be able to install the firmware, apple might have some screwy propritary junk[00:03:08] <JuniperJaxx> they use broadcom[00:03:24] <luroh> iirc, the nightlies don't come with the development package preinstalled[00:03:24] <JuniperJaxx> which should be supported by that install-wireless-firmware.sh script[00:03:45] <luroh> so if there's something in there to be compiled, i'd imagine that would fail[00:03:47] <JuniperJaxx> it complains about not being able to compile the BCM43xx firmware[00:04:00] <JuniperJaxx> luroh: this is alpha 3[00:04:07] <luroh> ah[00:04:23] <luroh> no idea then, sorry[00:04:52] *** aldeck has quit IRC[00:05:02] <JuniperJaxx> no problem[00:11:54] *** VNA9216 has quit IRC[00:12:20] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[00:12:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[00:17:58] <mmadia> the nightly images do come with the development package.[00:18:45] <luroh> oh i see[00:18:50] *** aldeck has quit IRC[00:19:07] <luroh> well, in that case, i think the latest rev suffers from the same problem[00:20:26] <luroh> although i'm on a ipro2200 here (which also doesn't work but for other reasons), i saw it earlier today when installing the firmware[00:22:37] <luroh> i'll see if i can test some more tomorrow. g'nite.[00:22:44] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:26:37] <SMCollins1> latest nightly do not have python installed, which could cuase allot of scripts to fial[00:26:43] <SMCollins1> if they use python[00:33:02] *** Huggy has quit IRC[00:41:39] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:43:29] *** falktx_ has joined #haiku[00:44:01] *** falktx has quit IRC[00:47:17] <CIA-37> haiku.master: mmadia * hrev43952 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=71cfb0c : Updated BeZillaBrowser. Built on hrev43937. Fixes #8417.[00:48:07] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:48:35] *** Tzibu has joined #haiku[00:49:37] <SMCollins1> wow, mmadia rebuilt beZillaBrowser[00:49:45] <SMCollins1> props to mmaida thanks man ![00:56:52] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, yeah, but it is the release builds[00:57:12] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, the nightly's are small on purpose so they are missing a bunch[00:57:36] <Skipp_OSX> IMHO you could even do less[01:02:12] <dreamed> is there some sort of roadmap for release builds vs nightlies? or just when it's in a ready state?[01:05:32] <Skipp_OSX> dreamed, there is a loose schedule, but mostly when ready[01:14:02] *** falktx__ has joined #haiku[01:14:12] *** falktx_ has quit IRC[01:23:54] *** cyb3rjunki3 has joined #haiku[01:24:38] *** cyb3rjunki3 has left #haiku[01:26:07] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[01:27:08] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[01:32:20] *** Per_Vers has joined #haiku[01:36:03] <Per_Vers> I have DD´d Haiku unto a 16GB USB drive. Booted it. Launced the installer. Created a 14GB partition on the same USB drive, and chosen it as target for installation.[01:36:44] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, okay, good so far[01:36:58] <Per_Vers> When I rebooted the machine, it loaded the DD´ed Haiku again, not the 14GB partition.[01:37:30] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers: that is what I was afraid of... I don't know if you can change the boot partition for a USB stick or not[01:37:57] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, did you set the second partition as bootable in Haiku and the first not?[01:38:10] <Per_Vers> no. how?[01:40:03] <Per_Vers> the 14GB partition seems to be /boot, according to the partition manager.[01:40:27] *** falktx has joined #haiku[01:41:16] <Per_Vers> *according to DriveSetup[01:41:19] *** aladds_ has quit IRC[01:41:40] *** falktx__ has quit IRC[01:43:24] <Per_Vers> Trying with 2 different 16GB drives, then. I can unplug the first one and boot from the secont one, I hope.[01:44:14] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:44:30] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, that should work yes[01:44:54] <SMCollins1> hi skipp[01:45:01] <Skipp_OSX> hi SMCollins1[01:53:35] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:53:43] <SMCollins1> hows things ?[01:55:32] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, check this out: http://imagebin.org/206727[01:56:38] <SMCollins1> very nice Skipp, seems like a good way to end the bike shedding ? now comes the bike shed defualt argument[01:56:56] <SMCollins1> or did I miss that already ?[01:57:19] <Skipp_OSX> which bike shed argument do you mean?[01:57:33] <SMCollins1> which key would be the defualt[01:57:35] <SMCollins1> lol[01:57:42] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[01:57:56] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, oh, well, that may be an argument but there is no question that Alt is the default key[01:58:05] <SMCollins1> ah[01:58:23] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, but, this dialog lets you change that... and now it works quite well[01:58:46] <Skipp_OSX> see, if you select "No Action" it makes the key role name grey to show that it is disabled[01:58:48] <SMCollins1> well, adjustability is always nice, when is the browser vrs spatial war gonna kick off again ???[01:58:50] * SMCollins1 hides[01:59:32] <Skipp_OSX> and if you have the same key defined twice it shows a little warning exclamation mark...[01:59:36] *** TimKack`` has joined #haiku[01:59:38] <SMCollins1> neat[01:59:43] <Skipp_OSX> although, maybe I should make it a red stop one instead[02:00:03] <SMCollins1> I like it[02:00:21] <SMCollins1> so whats the happening in the world of the devs ? anything exciting happening that is unseen ?[02:00:28] *** TimKack`` is now known as TimKack[02:00:32] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, which do you prefer, "Disabled" or "No action"?[02:02:19] <SMCollins1> I dunno ? I'd have to try it first[02:02:35] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, well Axel is working on BFS corruption, aldeck recently chimed in with some Tracker Layout branch work, kallisti5 continues his Radeon HD work[02:02:39] <SMCollins1> as for the dialog message. disabled[02:02:41] *** falktx has quit IRC[02:02:48] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, that's what I mean[02:02:49] <SMCollins1> enabled[02:02:56] *** TimKack` has quit IRC[02:02:57] <SMCollins1> no action is confusing[02:03:02] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[02:03:03] <Skipp_OSX> okay, disabled is better[02:04:47] <Per_Vers> OOps. I have a problem trying to boot from the second USB drive.[02:04:57] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, it doesn't work?[02:05:32] <Per_Vers> I DD´ed Haiku Anyboot image to a USB drive A, and booted from it.[02:05:38] <jayrulez> Are we aware if this? http://home.gna.org/pingwinek/index.html :|[02:05:42] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, what about the key names, Ctrl is obvious, Alt is pretty standard, but as far as the "Win" key goes, um... is there a better option?[02:06:13] <jayrulez> of*[02:06:16] <Per_Vers> I ran the installed, created a 16GB partition on trive B, and installed Haiku on drive B.[02:06:39] <Per_Vers> * installer[02:07:10] <Per_Vers> I rebooted the machine, unplugged drive A, and chose B to boot from.[02:07:17] <jayrulez> or rather http://tiltos.com/drupal/[02:07:44] <Per_Vers> The screen is black with white text in the corner: "read error"[02:08:25] <Skipp_OSX> hmmmmmmm this is tough, perhaps you have to set the partition as bootable during install, I think there is an option when you go to initialize it[02:10:06] <Per_Vers> Rebooting. Booting from A. Now what can I do to make B bootable?[02:13:00] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, in Drive Setup you want to mark the partition as the "Active Partition"[02:14:01] <Skipp_OSX> hmmm, initializing it should do that though[02:14:11] <Skipp_OSX> did you make it an Intel partition map?[02:14:23] *** swarfega is now known as swarfega|away[02:14:41] <Per_Vers> I made Be file system[02:15:02] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, yeah, that is right[02:15:25] <Per_Vers> Where is the "Active" stuff?[02:15:46] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, I don't see it either, I am looking at the install guide... it used to be there[02:15:50] <Skipp_OSX> it was a checkbox[02:16:54] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, you should just have 1 active partition formatted Be File System showing in Drive setup for that thumb drive[02:17:19] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, is that correct, 1 partition, formated "Be File System" ??[02:17:30] <SMCollins1> Skipp_OSX: from my POV most keyboard have a Windows key "thanks microsoft" so I would say its the most sensisable defualt by far[02:18:18] <SMCollins1> Per_Vers: usually the haiku installer will make the partion bootable by installing the bootloader,[02:18:58] <Per_Vers> Drive B has one partition. It is not Active.[02:19:02] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, you see how I put the little window icon in parens??[02:19:10] <SMCollins1> let me look again skipp[02:19:12] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, how do you know it is not active?[02:19:27] *** jua_ has quit IRC[02:19:36] <Per_Vers> Parameters in DriveSetup does not say Active.[02:19:50] <SMCollins1> Per_Vers: did you tell the bios to boot that drive in the proper order ?[02:20:09] <Skipp_OSX> SMCollins1, it is a USB drive[02:20:11] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[02:20:26] <SMCollins1> yes, and did he configure the bios to boot from it ?[02:20:27] <Per_Vers> I press Esc before it boots and chose drive B[02:20:44] <Skipp_OSX> I'm looking[02:20:44] <Per_Vers> It boots from whatever I chose.[02:21:27] <SMCollins1> Per_Vers: don't be so sure[02:21:35] <SMCollins1> go into the bios and set the boot priority[02:22:32] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:23:56] <Per_Vers> Same result now.[02:24:24] <Per_Vers> When booting from B, it only says read error.[02:24:54] <Per_Vers> Not sure the PC understands it´s bootable.[02:25:32] <SMCollins1> could be, if you open installer[02:25:35] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, try holding shift when starting[02:25:48] <SMCollins1> goto tools[02:25:54] <SMCollins1> upper left hand corner[02:25:57] <SMCollins1> setup the boot menu[02:26:43] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:28:53] <Per_Vers> where do I hold shift?[02:29:08] <SMCollins1> for safe mode ?[02:29:15] <SMCollins1> right as it boots, just hold shift[02:30:10] <Per_Vers> before the pc loads Haiku?[02:30:34] <SMCollins1> as its booting, yes[02:30:44] <SMCollins1> I just sit there and bang on it[02:30:53] <SMCollins1> some bios's will hang if you sit on the shift key[02:31:02] <Per_Vers> That just gives me Grub and Ubuntu.[02:31:12] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[02:31:34] <SMCollins1> ohhh, you've got grub ?[02:31:54] <SMCollins1> is this a uefi board ?[02:32:06] <Per_Vers> yes, on the hard drive. But it´s not supposed to boot from the hdd now.[02:32:16] <Per_Vers> yes, modern laptop with uefi.[02:32:55] <SMCollins1> hah, good luck on that one[02:33:10] <SMCollins1> do you have the option to disable drive A in the bios ?[02:33:26] <Per_Vers> no bios. uefi.[02:33:47] <SMCollins1> well in the uefi settings, can you disable drive A ?[02:34:02] <SMCollins1> what kind of laptop is this anyways ?[02:34:51] <Per_Vers> asus G73sw[02:35:47] <SMCollins1> hmmmm, can you disable drive A ?[02:35:53] <SMCollins1> you might have to[02:37:17] <Per_Vers> What difference does that make?[02:37:36] <SMCollins1> just try it[02:37:51] <Per_Vers> A means floppy. My laptop is new and has no such thing.[02:38:30] <SMCollins1> can you disable you internal hard drive ?[02:38:49] <SMCollins1> most uefi and bios will let you do so[02:42:03] <Per_Vers> Got another idea. I DD Haiku nightly onto BOTH drives. I boot from drive A.[02:42:25] <Per_Vers> I insert B and change the partition size.[02:42:47] <SMCollins1> how about, disable the primary drive and see if its a bootloader problem or a uefi implmentation bug in the uefi system[02:44:21] <Per_Vers> Can´t DriveSetup resize the 500mb partition on B?[02:48:15] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[02:48:28] <Per_Vers> DriveSetup lacks a resize function, it seems.[02:48:44] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[02:49:13] <SMCollins1> just disable the drive already[02:55:06] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[02:56:36] <Per_Vers> OK. I have DD´ed Haiku Nightly to A and booted from it. Running the installer, and installing Haiku onto B. Is it good so far?[02:58:02] <Per_Vers> You suggest that the computer will be able to boot from B instead of getting "read error", if I disable all drives except B in UEFI?[03:01:05] <Per_Vers> Found something interesting, BTW[03:02:15] <Per_Vers> Installer -> Tools[03:03:17] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[03:05:43] <Per_Vers> It says about B that there is no space available... It has 16 GB.[03:06:40] <OmniMancer> hmm?[03:11:11] <Per_Vers> I was trying to put a bootloader on B if it did not already have one. But it will only put bootloader on the 500mb partition on A.[03:11:40] <Per_Vers> I did that. But the bootloader on A does not find B.[03:12:55] <SMCollins1> http://i.imgur.com/TOfPH.gif lol[03:16:14] <Per_Vers> I have now disabled all drives in uefi, and when I restart the machine, it says it cannot boot[03:16:56] <Per_Vers> If i restart again, press Esc, and choose B, it gives "read error" as I expected.[03:17:15] <SMCollins1> sounds like it doesn't like the bootloade rfor some reason[03:18:03] <Per_Vers> I don´t even know if it tried to put a bootloader on B.[03:18:06] <OmniMancer> Per_Vers: can you boot anything that isn't haiku from B?[03:19:21] <Per_Vers> The drive B is a good USB drive. Use it all the time. It works with DD, but it does not become bootable if I use the installer from A.[03:19:56] *** dak__ has quit IRC[03:20:29] <Per_Vers> Both A and B are good, leading brand USB sticks. No nonsense. This must be an issu in the Haiku installer.[03:21:20] <OmniMancer> try running BootManager from the terminal[03:21:49] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[03:22:54] <Per_Vers> Start Haiku from A and start Terminal? Then type "bootmanager" in terminal and hit enter?[03:23:31] <Per_Vers> command not found[03:24:25] <Per_Vers> I typed bootmanager. it failed. BootManager worked. Must remember capital letters. :-)[03:25:10] <Per_Vers> Here we have it again. It sais about B that there is no space available.[03:25:16] <Per_Vers> *says[03:28:29] <OmniMancer> what happens when you run disk setup and look at B?[03:29:03] *** alexixor_ has joined #haiku[03:29:39] *** alexixor has quit IRC[03:30:38] <Per_Vers> It´s a 14.91 GB BE file system called Haiku. Not active.[03:31:36] *** dr_evil_ has joined #haiku[03:35:36] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[03:45:56] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[03:45:59] <SMCollins> hello[03:54:57] <AlienSoldier> hi[03:58:23] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[04:01:52] <SMCollins> hey skipp[04:01:55] <SMCollins> He AS[04:02:05] <SMCollins> hi AlienSoldier[04:04:39] <Per_Vers> I found this guide to boot Ubuntu from USB stick on a MacBook Pro. I am testing it now, with a Haiku iso instead of a Ubuntu iso.[04:04:56] <Per_Vers> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick[04:05:34] <Per_Vers> Mac requires usb sticks to be a special file system to boot from them.[04:06:22] <Per_Vers> If this is supposed to work with converting a Ubuntu iso to the mac file system, maybe it works with a Haiku iso too?[04:06:25] <SMCollins> oh, booting haiku on a macbook, thats a crapshoot[04:07:05] <Per_Vers> I have booted Haiku on my Mac before, but from CD. That was easy. No problem[04:07:40] <Per_Vers> Now I will attempt to boot Haiku from a USB drive.[04:09:18] <Per_Vers> I have done exactly as the Ubuntu guide said, except it´s a Haiku iso, not a Ubuntu iso.[04:10:01] *** PerVers has joined #haiku[04:10:33] <PerVers> me again from another pc. Rebooting the mac now.[04:10:48] *** Per_Vers has left #haiku[04:17:21] <SMCollins> I love that I can watch a 720p dvd on haiku and run a system build and browse the web and the video plays back nicely, even with 5 out of 6 cores disabled[04:17:47] <PerVers> How sad. The usb stick did not show up as a bootable device.[04:18:22] *** Per_Vers has joined #haiku[04:19:08] <SMCollins> welcome to vendor locked devices[04:19:35] <SMCollins> this is why the opensource styled hardware vendors are so important[04:20:51] <PerVers> Not sure... That procedure was supposed to work with Ubuntu.[04:21:06] <PerVers> And I have successfully booted Haiku on Mac from CD.[04:21:28] <PerVers> Lock-in is not goog. But I'm not sure that's the problem here.[04:21:37] <dreamed> SMCollins: BeOS was always very very strong with video stuff[04:21:48] <dreamed> one of the things that made me want to try it[04:21:51] <SMCollins> yeah, I am just enjoying this[04:22:00] <SMCollins> I just ripped this dvd with handbrake[04:22:04] <SMCollins> :P[04:25:38] <SMCollins> image quality is excelent[04:29:47] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[04:30:12] *** alexixor_ has quit IRC[04:32:03] *** nsuperbus has joined #haiku[04:34:37] *** PerVers has quit IRC[04:40:21] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:43:32] *** BlankBruno has joined #haiku[04:45:40] *** Per_Vers has left #haiku[04:49:26] *** BlankBruno has left #haiku[05:34:17] *** synchris_ has joined #haiku[05:34:17] *** synchris_ has joined #haiku[05:34:18] *** synchris has quit IRC[05:34:55] *** duvjones has quit IRC[05:42:19] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[05:42:35] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #296 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc2] @alpha-anyboot 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<CIA-37> less than the given address.[12:32:58] <CIA-37> * If no suitable symbol can be found, but the address is within a[12:32:59] <CIA-37> loaded library, dladdr returns the library name and base address.[12:33:00] <CIA-37> Signed-off-by: Ingo Weinhold <ingo_weinhold at gmx dot de>[12:44:20] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[12:48:34] <CIA-37> aldeck-github.tracker_layout: aldeck-github * 690c888e06db3336169baf488afeb71ccaac4d0a : Add debugging output for the previously mentioned Init race condition case [2 commits][12:57:08] *** aldeck has quit IRC[12:59:25] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[12:59:40] *** falktx has joined #haiku[13:24:28] *** luko has quit IRC[13:30:22] *** luko has joined #haiku[13:36:55] <CIA-37> buildtools.master: bonefish * btrev43030 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/buildtools/commit/?id=cc75156 : (log message trimmed)[13:36:55] <CIA-37> Updated the x86_64 toolchain to fix build failures and to be more correct.[13:36:55] <CIA-37> * A build failure occurs as TARGET_64BIT is no longer a compile-time[13:36:55] <CIA-37> constant in GCC.[13:36:55] <CIA-37> * Made some changes so that generated code matches the i386 Haiku target when[13:36:56] <CIA-37> generating 32-bit code, and follows the x86_64 ABI for 64-bit code.[13:36:57] <CIA-37> * Added a comment stating that DEFAULT_PCC_STRUCT_RETURN needs to be defined[13:37:24] <CIA-37> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev43954 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=81eb68f :[13:37:24] <CIA-37> Fixed a compilation failure for the x86_64 toolchain.[13:37:24] <CIA-37> This appears to be a problem with GCC's build system: it defaults to having[13:37:24] <CIA-37> multilib enabled, but if it is explicitly enabled with --enable-multilib,[13:37:24] <CIA-37> the build fails.[13:37:25] <CIA-37> Signed-off-by: Ingo Weinhold <ingo_weinhold at gmx dot de>[13:51:48] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[13:52:58] *** synchris has quit IRC[13:55:51] *** synchris has joined #haiku[13:55:51] *** synchris has joined #haiku[13:56:22] *** adev has joined #haiku[13:58:36] *** synchris has quit IRC[14:02:00] *** synchris has joined #haiku[14:30:50] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:34:14] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:34:54] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[14:52:14] *** Barrett has quit IRC[14:55:38] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:58:52] *** kcj has quit IRC[15:09:45] *** Smartnow has quit IRC[15:16:36] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[15:17:21] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[15:25:35] *** Smartnow has joined #haiku[15:38:55] *** PasNox has quit IRC[15:38:58] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[15:39:13] *** PasNox_ is now known as PasNox[15:42:57] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:50:48] *** jayrulez has joined #haiku[15:56:42] *** aladds_ has joined #haiku[15:56:42] *** aladds_ has joined #haiku[15:57:09] *** aladds_ has quit IRC[15:57:22] *** aladds_ has joined #haiku[15:57:22] *** aladds_ has joined #haiku[16:11:21] <diver_> SMCollins1: haven't you received my email "haiku git bisect" ?[16:14:11] <SMCollins1> I don't recall seeing it[16:16:14] <diver_> SMCollins1: it was sent 21.03[16:16:32] <SMCollins1> I had some data loss due to bfs corruption, if you want resend it[16:16:43] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:16:49] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:16:53] <diver_> SMCollins1: sure[16:17:56] <diver_> SMCollins1: done[16:24:18] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[16:27:34] <SMCollins1> thanks[16:28:09] <SMCollins1> on a good note, my 4350 fire right up to the full resolution of my vizio 47inch tv[16:28:27] <SMCollins1> so , the radeon hd driver is improving, when my 5770/5870 last worked the 4350 did not[16:32:09] <diver_> SMCollins1: nice, also you can probably grab radeon_hd and radeon_hd.accelerant from a working revision and use it on current revisions until it' fixed[16:34:19] *** anu_GSOC has joined #haiku[16:34:37] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: thanks for the logs :)[16:35:20] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: It's a blocker because I don't want folks to try the new shiny driver and have it not work because they have a digital monitor... and assume it doesn't work on their card[16:35:58] <SMCollins1> ahhh[16:36:21] <SMCollins1> so this only effects dgital monitors ?[16:36:38] <SMCollins1> kallisti5: any enlightening info in the log for you ?[16:37:35] <kallisti5> not really ^_^[16:37:44] <kallisti5> it pretty much confirms AtomBIOS is kind of dumb[16:37:58] <kallisti5> and when things go wrong it doesn't like to share information on what failed :)[16:40:49] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:40:50] <SMCollins1> how very useful[16:41:11] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[16:41:16] <SMCollins1> btw , did you see that the hdmi register proamming info was released for hdmi audio ?[16:41:24] <SMCollins1> thats freaking awesome ![16:41:37] <SMCollins1> but you've got enough on your plate[16:41:56] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[16:42:18] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: Definitely good news[16:42:30] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: My current todos:[16:42:55] <kallisti5> Get Digital working again -> Get common DisplayPort code -> HDMI Audio[16:43:11] <SMCollins1> any idea on how to do hdmi audio ?[16:43:12] <kallisti5> keep in mind that GL stuff is wedged in there :)[16:43:17] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: no idea ^_^[16:43:25] <SMCollins1> I know, btw the new gl render stuff looks great ![16:43:27] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: but I can register an audio device in /dev[16:43:34] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: it's getting there[16:43:49] <kallisti5> I think i've just about crossed the first bounty milestone[16:43:53] <SMCollins1> I know on windows it is 2 seperate drivers, how it works though ??? and it uses the realtek codec iirc[16:44:35] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[16:44:46] <SMCollins1> to make hdmi audio work on say the older 4350, you have to install a realtek driver, I think its built into the later drivers[16:45:02] <OmniMancer1> the hdmi has a sound card hooked up to it somehow :P[16:45:06] <SMCollins1> but at least lpcm would be nice, then I won't have to change the audio input mode on my surround system[16:45:33] <SMCollins1> OmniMancer1: I think they just stream lpcm data to the port from the realtek chipset imho[16:45:54] <OmniMancer1> yea[16:46:00] <SMCollins1> which means it could be handed in software more then likely, I remeber if being a HUGE pain in the ass to get working however[16:46:07] <OmniMancer1> and the realtek chipset is a sound card :P[16:46:28] <kallisti5> btw[16:46:30] <SMCollins1> you know, the pc doesn't have a realtek anything in it[16:46:36] <kallisti5> we need someone to work on an nvidia driver[16:46:40] <SMCollins1> lol[16:46:42] <kallisti5> *seriously**[16:46:46] <SMCollins1> way above my pay grade[16:46:49] <OmniMancer1> ick nvidia[16:46:54] <kallisti5> eeh. we need it[16:47:19] <kallisti5> while AMD is awesome... just buying an AMD card may not be an option for a lot of folks[16:47:25] <kallisti5> lots of nvidia laptops out there[16:47:38] <kallisti5> I could help someone who is working on it[16:47:41] <OmniMancer1> like mine[16:47:48] <kallisti5> but don't want to take on another big project[16:47:55] <SMCollins1> well kallisiti5, I am definately not the right guy for the job[16:48:07] <SMCollins1> Definately, you've got LOADS on your plate now[16:48:30] <kallisti5> Plus.. i've never met an nvidia engineer... which worries me a bit on how "open" they really are[16:48:36] <SMCollins1> kallisti5: is there a open source implementation which could be harvested like the Radeon_hd stuff has been ?[16:48:41] <kallisti5> prob[16:48:43] * kallisti5 checks[16:48:48] <SMCollins1> nvidia ia pretty closed source dude[16:49:27] <kallisti5> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=tree;f=drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau;h=59128d229a15e8e9e3912cbae968b14c593b9ef0;hb=HEAD[16:50:44] <SMCollins1> I love that copy and paste works so well in haiku[16:50:58] <kallisti5> I pasted that from ArchLinux :P[16:51:01] <kallisti5> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/[16:51:05] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:51:24] <kallisti5> KMS is the major mode setting linux does now, it is where the beef is[16:51:58] <kallisti5> eew[16:52:14] <kallisti5> yeah... i guess I should be happy amd used AtomBIOS[16:52:19] <kallisti5> see all those sources? yuck[16:52:37] <kallisti5> pretty much everything is written for each card family[16:52:47] <SMCollins1> yeah, with intel and amd you've got like 75% market coverage[16:53:26] <kallisti5> whats nice is AtomBIOS does pretty much support all future cards[16:53:34] <SMCollins1> I think the reason amd wet with atombios was to eliminate all of that[16:53:37] <kallisti5> so plug in the PCIID's for a new card... and it should just work[16:54:02] <kallisti5> you may need some tweaks here and there... but they are just one-offs[16:54:30] <SMCollins1> you know, ATI was a fairly forward thinking company[16:54:44] <kallisti5> current situation:[16:54:50] <SMCollins1> or more correctly they had forward thinking engineers with good corporate leadership[16:55:00] <kallisti5> Nvidia: Great closed source driver, slow Compute[16:55:17] <kallisti5> Nvidia: Horrible open source driver, no assistance from nvidia[16:55:39] <kallisti5> AMD: Eh closed source driver, great / fast compute that is 'more' open then nvidia[16:55:46] <SMCollins1> ahh, the closed source nvidia drive rhas its issue, for a long time now the parity between and nvidia and ati/amd has been even[16:55:59] <kallisti5> AMD: pretty good open source driver, dedicated AMD engineers working on open source stuff[16:56:17] <kallisti5> SMCollins1: it has been a while since I used nvidia's closed binary[16:56:41] <kallisti5> it's really a toss up[16:56:55] <kallisti5> although... my survey shows users are more likely to buy AMD cards now[16:57:07] <SMCollins1> the closed source linux driver has issue, but the windows blob " dunno about mac osx" works like a champ, I think its more due to the linux stack then the driver itself, iirc nvidia driver actually replace sizeable chunks of xorg lib etc.[16:57:29] <SMCollins1> mail that survey to the amd engineers who you talk with ![16:58:11] <SMCollins1> get some 3d lovin ![16:58:14] <kallisti5> lol[16:58:21] <kallisti5> not *that* many responses[16:58:25] <SMCollins1> I really wish allot of hardware manufacturers would just move[16:58:41] <SMCollins1> away from linux to a open sensiable driver architecture[16:58:56] *** alexixor has quit IRC[16:59:31] <SMCollins1> the more I read up on the subject, the more I think BeOS got it right with the basic hooks in driver and the accelerant concept, it seems to have spread beyond beos in many ways however[17:01:28] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[17:02:01] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:02:05] *** aladds_ has quit IRC[17:02:05] <SMCollins1> alexixor: hello[17:02:13] <alexixor> hi[17:02:14] <SMCollins1> hi barret[17:02:31] <SMCollins1> today is a somewhat mixed emotion day[17:02:38] <SMCollins1> my last day full time at my own shop[17:04:10] <OmniMancer1> :([17:04:17] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[17:04:36] <SMCollins1> yeah, going to work fulltime for the evil empire[17:04:58] *** arjen has joined #haiku[17:05:08] <SMCollins1> the extra income will be nice however[17:15:09] *** anu_GSOC has quit IRC[17:18:49] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[17:19:02] *** dcase has joined #haiku[17:29:33] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[17:30:09] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:36:28] <CIA-37> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev43955 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=c83bde4 :[17:36:28] <CIA-37> switch_sem_etc(): Unbreak the actual switch case[17:36:28] <CIA-37> The scheduler lock was still being held when release_sem_etc() was[17:36:28] <CIA-37> called. 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