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[00:14:40] <Per_Vers> Hi. I need some help troubleshooting Haiku for a bug report.
[00:14:45] <Per_Vers> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8380
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[00:15:22] <Per_Vers> I am supposed to install the contents of that zip file. How do I install it?
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[00:21:42] <Per_Vers> I just double clicked on the application, and connected to the internet wirelessly. Great success!
[00:24:01] <Per_Vers> One more thing...
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[00:24:36] <Per_Vers> I have downloaded the latest nightly of haiku. It is a anyboot image.
[00:24:52] <Per_Vers> DDed it onto a usb thumbdrive.
[00:25:09] <Per_Vers> Booted my laptop from it.
[00:25:43] <Per_Vers> When I installoptionalpackage -i webpositive, it says "disk full".
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[00:27:50] <Per_Vers> It is a 16GB drive. Why does DD make a tiny partition with no margin for additional software? I need a browser and wpa_supplicant for most troubleshooting.
[00:28:03] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, the nightly is going to come on a disk image that is only just big enough to fit its contents
[00:28:49] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, when you dd the disk image, you are copying the image byte for byte, so you have the same partition, ~200MB and the rest of your stick is unused
[00:30:03] <Skipp_OSX> Per_Vers, So, partition the rest of the stick in Haiku, initialize it, Install Haiku onto it, set it as boot drive and cross your fingers
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[00:30:23] <Skipp_OSX> install Haiku using the Installer app I mean
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[00:44:24] <netstar_> hi
[00:44:27] <netstar_> Umm...
[00:44:37] <netstar_> I writing a package manager
[00:44:45] <netstar_> GSoC sponsor plz thx
[00:44:46] <netstar_> lol
[00:45:07] <netstar_> 2 days remian
[00:45:17] <netstar_> I can't find anyone crazy enough to hire me
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[00:58:27] <Per_Vers> I try to scroll on a website. Edge scrolling works, but I NEED 2-finger-scrolling.
[00:59:08] <Per_Vers> I have seen in the Touchpad settings. Two-finger scrolling is activated.
[00:59:43] <Per_Vers> But does not work in reality.
[01:00:40] <Per_Vers> Do you guys have two finger scrolling?
[01:01:02] <Per_Vers> I only use laptops, and it*s really important for me.
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[05:38:03] <SMCollins> testing ?
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[05:42:33] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev43945 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=43c6828 : NetworkStatus: Simplify state change notification code
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[05:44:56] <JuniperJaxx> LjL: :)
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[05:47:21] <erts> Hi!
[05:47:26] <Skipp_OSX> hello
[05:47:43] <erts> hello Skipp_OSX
[05:48:01] <dreamed> 'lo
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[05:49:17] <erts> hi dreamed
[05:52:36] <erts> can anyone tell me if haiku is an actual option to use?
[05:53:08] <erts> i mean is it a real alternative? or is it too experimental yet?
[05:53:10] <dreamed> in terms of being "production ready"?
[05:53:24] <dreamed> as an outsider looking in who occasionally runs nightly builds .. I'd say no, not yet
[05:53:47] <dreamed> but it does depend on what you're looking for it to do
[05:53:50] <erts> dreamed: in terms of being a "desktop system"
[05:54:02] <erts> home use, basically
[05:54:11] <dreamed> if you want the richness of features that windows, linux or osx have? no
[05:54:20] <dreamed> not yet
[05:54:29] <SMCollins3> its pretty stable, except for some real edge case problems these days
[05:54:30] <erts> aha
[05:54:52] <dreamed> it's stable and fast
[05:54:54] <SMCollins3> some people call it "feature richness" I'd call it what it is, BLOAT
[05:54:55] <dreamed> and good at what it does do
[05:55:07] <dreamed> SMCollins3: depends very much on what you're trying to do with it
[05:55:30] <SMCollins3> anyone else having problems with haikuware taking forever to respond ?
[05:55:30] <dreamed> I don't think out of the box peripheral hardware support, for example, is bloat
[05:55:41] <erts> i've tried some alpha version, months ago and i liked it, but i just ran it under virtualbox
[05:56:01] <SMCollins3> I'd rather a lean system, that I can tack onto as the software needs grow, versus a supported bloted DRM infested pain in the ass configuration nightmare
[05:56:04] <erts> and now i was wondering if i could use it normally
[05:56:33] <SMCollins3> erts: I use haiku dialy, it depends on what your software needs are.
[05:57:01] <dreamed> pain in the ass configuration nightmare? I'd agree for linux, and partially for windows
[05:57:05] <dreamed> not so much for osx
[05:57:11] <erts> interesting
[05:57:15] <dreamed> erts: what do you do?
[05:57:22] <dreamed> what would you class as normal use, that is
[05:57:46] <SMCollins3> Linux makes it difficult to use my computer, windows and osx just refuse me to do what I want with it
[05:58:03] <erts> dreamed: basically i use the computer to browse the web, check the mail and that kind of stuff
[05:58:09] <SMCollins3> the use case for haiku is, what does the user need ? most of whats missing is largely applications
[05:58:13] <erts> and sometimes audio edition
[05:58:24] <SMCollins3> haiku could meet your needs if they are truly that limited
[05:58:29] <SMCollins3> audio editing, not so much
[05:58:39] <dreamed> as long as you like the available software
[05:58:42] <erts> but i need a "strong" wifi support
[05:58:53] <dreamed> I'm not sure how standards compliant web+ is, or how it handles stuff lately
[05:59:01] <dreamed> wifi drivers can be an issue
[05:59:15] <erts> and i'm a bit sick of windows, it takes ages to start and be ready to use
[05:59:31] <erts> and linux in my laptop is a nightmare, i don't really know why
[06:00:24] <SMCollins3> what wireless hardware are you using ? can make a HUGE difference. Web positive is a bit feature sparse
[06:00:32] <erts> linux overheats my laptop, almost melting it :P
[06:00:41] <SMCollins3> really ?
[06:00:47] <SMCollins3> bios issue ?
[06:01:13] <erts> i'm using two atheros chipsets
[06:01:14] <SMCollins3> dreamed: can you try haikuware ?
[06:01:18] <SMCollins3> I can't seem to load the page
[06:01:28] <SMCollins3> ehhhh, you may want to check support
[06:01:52] <SMCollins3> I may disapear here, I think my router is goofing off
[06:01:53] <erts> don't know if it's a bios issue, or the power management
[06:01:55] <dreamed> seems to load
[06:02:04] <erts> or the ati video card
[06:02:19] <erts> ...but linux just melts my computer
[06:02:46] <SMCollins3> ping
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[06:02:52] <dreamed> pong?
[06:02:57] <SMCollins3> thats kind of strange
[06:03:04] <dreamed> erts: is it a discrete/hybrid chipset?
[06:03:04] <SMCollins3> no I reset my router
[06:03:30] <erts> dreamed: what do you mean?
[06:03:54] <SMCollins3> wtf is going on with haikuware ?
[06:03:57] <dreamed> erts: discrete = ati, hybrid = amd/ati or intel/nvidia
[06:04:01] <dreamed> SMCollins3: works fine for me
[06:04:08] <dreamed> maybe it's somewhere on the route to you that's the problem
[06:04:26] <erts> dreamed: hmm it's an ati mobility radeon
[06:04:39] <dreamed> discrete
[06:04:48] <dreamed> you might be able to change the driver or something
[06:05:04] <erts> i tried
[06:05:13] <erts> but it overheats anyway
[06:05:20] <dreamed> you kind of need a haiku livecd or something huh
[06:05:21] <dreamed> to try it out
[06:05:51] <erts> haiku isn't based on a linux kernel, is it?
[06:06:06] <dreamed> nope
[06:06:26] <SMCollins3> its gotta be my isp again
[06:06:40] <erts> and would it work fine on a laptop?
[06:06:50] <SMCollins3> linux kernel ? in the haiku os, I sure as hell hope not
[06:06:50] <erts> a samsung laptop
[06:06:53] <dreamed> erts: likely depends on the hardware
[06:07:02] <SMCollins3> erts: all hardware is a crap shoot to be honest
[06:07:09] <erts> hahaha
[06:07:14] <erts> SMCollins1: i agree
[06:07:18] <SMCollins3> haikuware has a hardware list, if your lucky the chipset will work and it'll function
[06:07:54] <erts> i wish i could still using my old dead computer...
[06:08:03] <erts> this new hardware makes me sick
[06:08:17] * dreamed is fond of the G4 era powermacs
[06:08:44] <erts> and furthermore, i don't really like what are the new linux desktop environments like
[06:10:41] <erts> need a change, and i always loved beos...but i couldn't ever use it normally...:(
[06:13:10] <erts> and what about the arm support? i'm going to get a raspberry pi and it'd be cool to run haiku in it
[06:13:13] <erts> would it be possible?
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[06:15:33] <dreamed> no idea
[06:15:37] <dreamed> that's not my department
[06:16:00] <dreamed> my department may or may not mostly involve nostalgia and kvetching, so your mileage may vary
[06:16:43] <erts> kvetching?
[06:17:15] <dreamed> it's like whining
[06:21:15] <Xeon3D> there is an arm port but it's on its early months iirc
[06:27:39] <JuniperJaxx> i wonder if there is a netbook where all hte hardware is supported by haiku
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[06:35:48] <SMCollins3> theres a few netbooks listed on haikuware but they are all x86 models
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[07:03:38] <JuniperJaxx> SMCollins56: ah nice
[07:03:52] <JuniperJaxx> i am currently trying to boot haiku on my macbook
[07:04:07] <JuniperJaxx> probably not the best hardware to try on a physical machine
[07:04:07] <JuniperJaxx> haha
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[07:45:34] <JuniperJaxx> nice got it to boot
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[10:22:54] <olzhas> Hello everyone
[10:24:43] <olzhas> I have a question why do you need to merge MediaPlayer and CDPlayer? why don't you use VLC?
[10:24:58] <olzhas> it was listed as an idea for GSoC
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[10:26:16] <diver_> olzhas: well MediaPlayer uses Media Kit and VLC doesn't
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[10:27:36] <olzhas> diver_: is it good idea to make VLC work with MediaKit?
[10:27:47] <diver_> olzhas: have a look at this comment https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6561#comment:10
[10:30:12] <olzhas> okay
[10:31:34] <olzhas> may I participate If I have never committed anything?
[10:31:42] <olzhas> i mean in Gsic
[10:31:45] <olzhas> (Gsoc
[10:34:16] <diver_> olzhas: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2012/students
[10:34:19] <olzhas> okay
[10:35:24] <diver_> there is a "Making a Positive Impression" section
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[16:53:14] <Carbamide> Hey guys. Is it possible to make a live CD from a current installation that I have in VMWare?
[16:53:29] <Carbamide> I have it customized to my liking, is my reasoning.
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[17:04:58] <OmniMancer> no
[17:05:21] <OmniMancer> you should be able to dd it to a memory stick though
[17:05:26] <OmniMancer> if you do it right
[17:05:37] <Carbamide> dd the vmdk?
[17:05:46] <Carbamide> I hadn't considering that.
[17:06:02] <Carbamide> considered, rather
[17:06:23] <OmniMancer> no
[17:06:27] <OmniMancer> not the vmdk
[17:06:39] <OmniMancer> you'll have to go through more contortions
[17:06:46] <Carbamide> Oh! *inside* vm?
[17:06:48] <OmniMancer> what customising do you want exactly?
[17:07:13] <Carbamide> Oh, desktop pictures, app, etc. I just have my vm setup the way I want it, and I'd like to transer it to a physical machine.
[17:07:24] <Carbamide> I believe I have an older machine that Haiku would be perfect for.
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[17:08:15] <OmniMancer> you can probably do it with a usb stick
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[17:44:05] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev43946 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=8dfc5db :
[17:44:05] <CIA-37> radeon_hd: Complete move to common DisplayPort header
[17:44:05] <CIA-37> * Non-spec DP stuff in accelerant displayport.h
[17:44:05] <CIA-37> * Common DisplayPort header still has TODO's however
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[18:06:58] <kag_anil> i'm trying to create account on haiku's bug tracker but i'm not able to verify my email address
[18:07:29] <kag_anil> says this " Key (sid, authenticated)=(kag_anil, 1) already exists."
[18:11:07] <xyzzy> I had that problem, if I remember rightly I fixed it by changing my email address to another one, then back to the first one and resending the verification email
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[18:16:06] <kag_anil> verification script shows this "IntegrityError: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "session_pk"
[18:16:06] <kag_anil> DETAIL: Key (sid, authenticated)=(kag_anil, 1) already exists."
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[18:17:25] <kag_anil> xyzzy: i have changed my email but it says the same ...
[18:19:46] <xyzzy> hmm, not sure then. I guess you'll need to contact whoever maintains the tracker to fix it
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[18:20:26] <kag_anil> kk...
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[18:43:24] <luko> hi
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[18:44:12] <humdinger> hullo
[18:45:34] <CIA-37> aldeck-github.tracker_layout: aldeck-github * c550b58f58e9e46ae0430f735fab13ecabc9f4a1 :
[18:45:34] <CIA-37> Re-enable already opened windows test, update comment
[18:45:34] <CIA-37> ... before implementing the real fix
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[19:00:04] <lorglas> hi
[19:00:27] <lorglas> restart
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[19:06:09] <lorglas> re
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[19:08:59] <CIA-37> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev43947 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=bf70fcd : radeon_hd: Add missing 4650 PCIID
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[19:42:16] <CIA-37> haiku.master: korli * hrev43948 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=bc11edc :
[19:42:16] <CIA-37> wpa_supplicant: updated to 0.7.3 2012-04-03
[19:42:16] <CIA-37> * compiles against updated FreeBSD compat layer headers.
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[21:53:22] <CIA-37> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev43949 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=06114af :
[21:53:22] <CIA-37> userlandfs: Remove superfluous driver_settings.c
[21:53:22] <CIA-37> It probably dates back to a time before our libroot exported the driver
[21:53:23] <CIA-37> settings API as well.
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[22:48:18] <CIA-37> haiku.master: zooey * hrev43950 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=60f75e9 : (log message trimmed)
[22:48:19] <CIA-37> Merge liblocale.so into libbe.so.
[22:48:19] <CIA-37> * Make the locale kit a part of libbe.
[22:48:19] <CIA-37> * Drop the LocaleBackend kludge used from within libbe (and from
[22:48:19] <CIA-37> other places, too) in order to access system catalog strings.
[22:48:19] <CIA-37> This is now done via gSystemCatalog, which is provided and initialized
[22:48:19] <CIA-37> by libbe.
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[22:55:35] <CIA-37> haiku.master: zooey * hrev43951 http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=84c93bf :
[22:55:35] <CIA-37> Attempt at #1586 (queries not being case-insensitive for umlauts):
[22:55:35] <CIA-37> * adjust corresponding query predicate to use BUnicodeChar instead
[22:55:35] <CIA-37> of ctype-functions
[22:55:35] <CIA-37> Alas, this does not help as of now, since BUnicodeChar is missing
[22:55:36] <CIA-37> support for any codepoints above 0x9f ...
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[23:42:45] <HaikuUser> hello
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[23:43:04] <SMCollins1> hello
[23:44:12] <JuniperJaxx> hello
[23:44:23] <JuniperJaxx> SMCollins1: i got haiku running on that macbook
[23:44:36] <JuniperJaxx> SMCollins1: had to boot it in safemode with 1024x768 VESA
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[23:58:03] <SMCollins1> figures the video driver would be cranky
[23:58:31] <SMCollins1> noticed a uptick in commits since BG/ and bug fix weekend.
[23:58:43] <SMCollins1> I hope the package manager drops soon so beta can begin
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