April 15, 2011 
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Update BGridLayout so that empty rows/columns[01:19:41] <CIA-81> are given min/max constraints of B_SIZE_UNSET by default, which allows them to[01:19:41] <CIA-81> be collapsed. Fixes #6979[01:20:31] *** diver has left #haiku[01:21:25] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[01:40:28] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:43:27] *** yourpalal_ has quit IRC[01:45:04] <CIA-81> Haiku: kirilla * r41253 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/keyboard/TeamMonitorWindow.cpp: Change strings to sentence casing.[01:50:48] <CIA-81> Haiku: kirilla * r41254 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/datatranslations/DataTranslationsWindow.cpp: Remove ellipsis, used wrong.[02:00:21] *** diver has joined #haiku[02:01:08] <CIA-81> Haiku: kirilla * r41255 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/overlayimage/OverlayView.cpp: Set view non-editable. 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(and is it in the nightly ?)[17:06:18] <kallisti5> not muchyet[17:06:22] <phoudoin> kallisti5: how far your AtomBios support is working right now?[17:06:35] <kallisti5> phoudoin: it is there, and compiles cleanly[17:06:50] <phoudoin> what about... execution?[17:06:57] <kallisti5> so now we can parse AtomBIOS data, however I have yet to pull the AtomBIOS data from the card[17:07:32] <kallisti5> the AtomBIOS system has a bunch of hooks that hook back to the driver[17:07:38] <kallisti5> (for pci access, etc)[17:07:46] <kallisti5> about 50% of those hooks are complete[17:07:56] <phoudoin> ok, the AtomBios interpreter is building, but so far no atombios data was tried with it yet, that the current situation?[17:08:02] <kallisti5> yup[17:08:17] <phoudoin> okay. thanks for these precisions[17:08:56] <phoudoin> I guess you take AtomBIOS code from the latest xf86-video-radeonhd?[17:09:13] <kallisti5> i had to take a break from the work for a little bit.. i was getting *really* tired of looking at spaghetti Xorg code[17:09:22] <kallisti5> phoudoin: yeah, the license is open for that component[17:09:40] <kallisti5> (as long as the AMD copyright remains)[17:10:14] <phoudoin> I totally understand real life interaction with open source progress plan, no blame here.[17:10:45] <phoudoin> I was just curious to see if I can actually try something with my hd4870 yet.[17:10:51] <kallisti5> well.. you can[17:10:53] <kallisti5> it does work![17:11:00] <kallisti5> you just can't read modelines[17:11:11] <kallisti5> so you can't change the hard-coded video modeline[17:11:15] <phoudoin> so what does it do?[17:11:20] <kallisti5> works[17:11:29] <kallisti5> just at a fixed resolution and frequency[17:11:39] <phoudoin> fixed how?[17:11:43] <kallisti5> hooks: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/bios.cpp (anything begining with Cail)[17:11:47] * kallisti5 pulls the code[17:12:07] <kallisti5> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/radeon_hd/mode.cpp[17:12:21] <kallisti5> see create_mode_list[17:12:49] <kallisti5> normally that array would be filled with modelines pulled from the monitor's EDID[17:13:02] <kallisti5> but that code isn't done yet (and what we need atombios for)[17:13:16] <kallisti5> so you *can* hard code new values in there.[17:13:33] <kallisti5> but you may not like the results.[17:14:11] <phoudoin> okay, I will try to hardcode HD resolution parameter this weekend. Since I get a FullHD monitor, my haiku visual experience was quite low thanks to VESA not support such high resolution.[17:14:32] <kallisti5> tip: try running linux / xorg first[17:14:40] <kallisti5> it will output modelines for your monitor[17:14:52] <kallisti5> they differ on every monitor, timing and stuff is complex[17:14:55] <phoudoin> yep, I'll get the modelines from Linux, indeed.[17:15:09] <kallisti5> another tip: I never got any of the modelines working when I tried changing them[17:15:29] <phoudoin> Dunno yet how to get them yet, though. xorg.log maybe?[17:15:31] <kallisti5> i have no idea where the hardcoded ones came from, but they are the only one that has worked[17:15:35] <kallisti5> yup[17:15:36] <kallisti5> should be[17:15:47] <kallisti5> or, there is a tool that will show them[17:15:52] * kallisti5 thinks on the name of it[17:16:01] <phoudoin> or Atombios traces on dmesg maybe, if any.[17:16:24] <phoudoin> I can also compile the radeonhd tool to read that, indeed.[17:17:23] <kallisti5> well.. there is a command, can't remember it though[17:17:26] <kallisti5> you can check dmesg[17:17:37] <kallisti5> or.. /var/log/Xorg.log[17:17:43] <kallisti5> i know the Xorg log will show it[17:17:46] <kallisti5> line mode per line[17:18:20] <phoudoin> I've another PCIe gfx card, so under Haiku I could try to play with radeon_hd driver without going blind.[17:18:31] <kallisti5> then you have to compare the values in the fields to the needed value (V+ or V-, H+, or H- etc)[17:18:46] <kallisti5> my process:[17:18:53] <kallisti5> * compile Haiku on another system[17:19:02] <kallisti5> * (with custom modeline)[17:19:11] <kallisti5> * dd to usb drive[17:19:31] <kallisti5> * boot on radeon_hd system[17:23:54] *** drano has joined #haiku[17:30:23] <phoudoin> I may add support to read these parameters from a settings file, though.[17:30:32] <phoudoin> just to short the turn around time.[17:31:19] <kallisti5> thats true[17:31:23] <kallisti5> (and a good idea!)[17:31:27] <kallisti5> feel free to work on it[17:31:38] <kallisti5> i have no *major* work planned over the next week or so[17:31:42] <phoudoin> does the current 1366x768 works for your currently?[17:32:03] <phoudoin> current hardcoded ...[17:32:20] <kallisti5> typ[17:32:22] <kallisti5> *yup[17:32:33] <kallisti5> if I change it all I get is garbage[17:33:16] <phoudoin> but no crash?[17:33:57] <kallisti5> nope[17:34:04] *** dru_ has quit IRC[17:35:00] <phoudoin> nice.[17:35:58] <phoudoin> the gDisplayMode struct is already in an shared area IIRC, so maybe I could write a small tool allowing to interactivly tweak these values[17:36:36] *** mmu_man_ has quit IRC[17:38:00] *** drano_ has joined #haiku[17:41:32] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[17:44:47] *** home-alone has joined #haiku[17:45:22] <home-alone> how can i contribue to haiku if i dont have programming skills...??[17:45:46] <kallisti5> home-alone: what skills do you have?[17:47:28] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[17:47:40] <stpere> home-alone: one very useful thing you can start doing is to subscribe to trac and file tickets for the issues you encounter[17:49:47] <kallisti5> qe testing is always a good intro[17:51:31] <home-alone> i have basic c++ and python skills . I can translate english into 7 different languages[17:51:56] <Barrett> you can also contribute to haiku ports[17:51:58] <Barrett> http://ports.haiku-files.org/[17:52:25] <home-alone> how to subscribe to trac...???[17:52:35] <stpere> home-alone: dev.haiku-os.org[17:52:46] <stpere> home-alone: this is our bugtracker[17:53:36] <stpere> the typical thing that happens is that you file a bug, you get curious, look for the issue yourself, learn the internals, produce a patch, someone commit for you, etc.. :)[17:53:38] <home-alone> you mean porting packages to haiku..??[17:54:31] <Barrett> home-alone, yes and not...in many cases you should only modify the build system[17:54:49] <Barrett> for example i have compiled tor + privoxy without problems[17:55:02] <Barrett> would be good to have a package on haiku-ports[17:55:52] <home-alone> i need some link where can i get an idea where to start[17:55:56] *** Stellar has quit IRC[17:56:16] <Barrett> there are also some easy tasks for programmers[17:56:57] <stpere> home-alone: http://www.haiku-os.org/development/getting-started[17:57:30] <home-alone> i have a good hand in c++ and am active member of debian (gnu/linux) development team[17:57:30] *** lorglas has quit IRC[17:57:37] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[17:57:56] <Barrett> good : http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/EasyTasks[17:58:00] <stpere> home-alone: then why did you stated first that you didn't have programming skills? a bit shy? ;-)[17:58:54] <home-alone> first i want have a little know how about haiku heirarchy[18:00:15] *** home-alone has quit IRC[18:08:43] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[18:10:13] *** alexixor has left #haiku[18:15:48] *** brianb has joined #haiku[18:19:26] *** brianb_ has quit IRC[18:22:00] <phoudoin> and then home-alone quit :-)[18:22:30] <phoudoin> let's hope it's not because now he knows a bit more about haiku hierarchy ;-)[18:42:21] *** Cobi has quit IRC[18:50:14] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[18:52:30] *** augiedoggie has quit IRC[18:53:23] *** phoudoin has left #haiku[18:55:01] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[18:58:46] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[19:00:59] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[19:01:03] *** kurain has quit IRC[19:02:11] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[19:02:49] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[19:06:17] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[19:08:00] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[19:09:39] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[19:11:43] *** drano_ has joined #haiku[19:21:25] *** Cobi has quit IRC[19:22:11] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:26:52] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:28:03] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:30:48] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[19:32:48] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[19:34:22] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[19:51:38] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[19:51:38] *** yourpalal_ has joined #haiku[19:52:05] *** c-walker has joined #haiku[19:52:17] *** c-walker has left #haiku[19:56:45] *** yourpalal_ has quit IRC[19:56:59] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[20:01:05] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:08:55] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[20:09:27] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[20:11:11] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[20:11:17] *** IIsi has joined #haiku[20:12:50] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:12:57] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[20:13:34] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[20:14:26] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:15:58] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[20:25:00] *** DiGiTal has joined #haiku[20:25:01] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:25:25] <DiGiTal> hi![20:25:36] <DiGiTal> what is the haiku notification server?[20:27:21] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[20:30:12] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[20:34:04] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[20:34:35] <CIA-81> Haiku: yourpalal * r41256 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/layouter/CollapsingLayouter.cpp: Update CollapsingLayouter to fix crashes in a few applications. All these crashes were related to empty layouts. Fixes some of #7446[20:35:19] <yourpalal> DiGiTal: What do you want to know about Haiku notifications?[20:36:34] <DiGiTal> What is the notification server?[20:36:42] <DiGiTal> what is the purpose ?[20:36:46] <DiGiTal> is like to dbus?[20:37:28] <DiGiTal> I have succefull porter Dbus and QTDBus libraries for Haiku[20:37:49] <DiGiTal> and I want to know if this can be useful[20:38:05] <DiGiTal> or will need to adapt DBus for work with notification server[20:38:24] <yourpalal> Haiku has it's own messaging service that is used pervasively throughout the system[20:38:29] <DiGiTal> ok[20:38:41] <yourpalal> You can read about it here: http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheApplicationKit_Messaging.html[20:38:43] <DiGiTal> is the notification server?[20:38:44] <DiGiTal> ok[20:39:05] <yourpalal> The notification server just handles popping up notifications on screen.[20:39:09] <DiGiTal> so I will need to adapt dbus for work with Application Server[20:39:13] <IIsi> Also at http://development.pistooli.com/?p=148[20:39:16] <DiGiTal> ok[20:39:21] <yourpalal> Apps do communicate with it via BMessages though[20:39:22] <DiGiTal> thx![20:40:09] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[20:40:47] <DiGiTal> so I will need to adapt dbus or QtDBUS for work using BMessages[20:41:00] <yourpalal> What is your goal in doing that?[20:41:24] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[20:41:32] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:41:49] <DiGiTal> Port KDE to Haiku![20:42:01] <DiGiTal> KDE need QtDBUS[20:42:08] <DiGiTal> and QTDBus need DBus[20:42:25] <yourpalal> Did you know QT has already been ported, and at least some KDE apps run on Haiku?[20:42:29] * IIsi hugs the Be/Haiku mouse speed scaling[20:42:45] <DiGiTal> yes but not the complete KDE enviroment[20:43:03] <DiGiTal> and QT libraries do not included QtDBus libraries[20:43:07] <IIsi> I can somehow never set Windows to let me make ultra fine precise movements AND let me zip the point to any part of the screen with a twitch.[20:43:25] <DiGiTal> some applications that use QT and QDBus do not work in Haiku[20:43:44] <CIA-81> Haiku: yourpalal * r41257 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/opengl/ (CapabilitiesView.cpp InfoView.cpp): Update OpenGL preferences to accommodate for the fact that empty columns in a BGridLayout are now collapsed to nothingness. Fixes part of #7446.[20:45:07] <yourpalal> DiGiTal: I don't really get why you would want KDE on Haiku. If you're not going to use any of the Haiku features, then you might as well just run Linux, it has better hardware support, at least.[20:45:07] <DiGiTal> and KDE components like Attica need Dbus[20:46:02] <DiGiTal> Haiku is better![20:46:45] <yourpalal> But if you're (theoretically) using KDE on Haiku, all the best parts disappear.[20:47:03] <DiGiTal> I think that if KDE can run under haiku more people begin to use haiku[20:47:22] <DiGiTal> and a lot new QT applications will work[20:47:42] <DiGiTal> because not all QT application works with QT Libraries[20:49:35] <DiGiTal> not exactly, for example if I can adapt Dbus for work with Application Messaging Kit, we will continue use one of this best part[20:49:53] <scgtrp> DiGiTal: making the os less awesome to get more people to use it is a bit silly[20:50:54] <yourpalal> DiGiTal: But not really, because the two systems (Dbus and Haiku messagin) are not the same, and native apps won't blend with non-native (DBus) apps without waaaay more effort than it's worth.[20:51:55] <DiGiTal> yourpalal, for this reason I want to adapt Dbus for work with messaging server[20:52:59] <DiGiTal> Haiku applications will continue use native Messaging system and KDE and QT applications will use DBus adapted for work with messaging server[20:52:59] <IIsi> Maybe DiGi should just go with it, and if it doesn't work out, at least there'll be another Haiku dev with recent Haiku experience[20:53:25] <yourpalal> DBus is just an IPC mechanism. It's fairly advanced, but that's all it is. Haiku's messaging system is integrated throughout the system, it is how GUIs interaction is handled, it is how all IPC is handled, it allows for scripting of applications, you can even serialize your GUI elements, and them send them in a BMessage to another app, which will then display them.[20:53:31] <DiGiTal> llsi, is a good exercise for me[20:53:37] <DiGiTal> I can learn about Haiku[20:53:43] <IIsi> Indeed.[20:53:43] <yourpalal> Yes. DiGiTal, don't let me discourage you too much.[20:54:13] <yourpalal> If this is what you want to work on, then power to you.[20:54:17] <NeonLicht> If you run KDE, what's the point of using Haiku? KDE runs on top of a lot of OSs already.[20:54:49] <DiGiTal> more applications[20:54:50] <NeonLicht> s/If you run/If you want to run/[20:55:02] <DiGiTal> use KDevelop, Dolphin...[20:55:30] <DiGiTal> Syncronize my Ipod with Haiku...[20:56:03] <DiGiTal> even if I don't want use KDE you could use more applications[20:56:21] <NeonLicht> Me? No, thaks, I don't want them. :)[20:56:32] <DiGiTal> XDD[20:56:53] <DiGiTal> NeonLicht, do you like windows?[20:57:27] <NeonLicht> Sure, DiGiTal, I love looking outside them and how the fresh air comes into the room...[20:57:39] <DiGiTal> XDD[20:57:46] <DiGiTal> nice[20:57:47] <NeonLicht> I prefer doors, though.[20:57:49] <IIsi> <bg>[20:58:03] <IIsi> I had doors hooked up to my BBS.[20:58:09] <DiGiTal> the final point is that the users want execute applications[20:58:18] <IIsi> L.O.R.D. was interesting[20:58:47] <DiGiTal> I will be honest and now, Haiku don't have too much good native applications[20:59:13] <NeonLicht> And so, you think it needs to have bad non native ones? :D[20:59:22] <yourpalal> DiGiTal: To me, one of the best features of Haiku is how well integrated the whole system can be. Everything uses the same GUI, all the same libraries, all the apps can talk to each other. KDE on top of Haiku throws this away, and that's why I'm against it.[20:59:44] <yourpalal> DiGiTal: what sort of apps are you missing on Haiku?[20:59:45] <NeonLicht> I hope it never happens, yourpalal.[20:59:54] <DiGiTal> for example for read PDF[21:00:00] <DiGiTal> I can use BePDF[21:00:11] <DiGiTal> because I am using GCC4[21:00:35] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[21:00:47] <DiGiTal> and use hybrid compiler is only a temporal thing[21:00:57] <IIsi> DiGi, try it. Release to a few friends, maybe. Then with that experience work on the core operating system so we can get to 1.0 sooner[21:01:12] *** lorglas has quit IRC[21:01:12] <NeonLicht> BePDF is very nice. Porting MuPDF (the fastest PDF viewer, with great Vim keybindings) would be excellent.[21:02:09] <DiGiTal> Some mounths ago I tried to port BePDF to GCC4 but I can't because BePDF use a precompiled library (For GCC2)[21:03:49] <DiGiTal> llsi, I agree with your idea of use the the native Haiku application kit and servers but meanwhile we can use QT applications[21:06:08] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[21:12:55] <yourpalal> DiGiTal: What sort of apps do you miss on Haiku?[21:14:48] <IIsi> MIDI Kit that works?[21:16:22] <DiGiTal> PDF reader, MP3 player with stream support, Better File Browser, KDevelop....[21:17:38] <DiGiTal> K3b[21:18:11] <NeonLicht> If you want to use KDE and KDE applications, use the appropriate OS.[21:19:09] <yourpalal> I see why BePDF is not good enough for you, and MediaPlayer. What's wrong with Tracker?[21:19:13] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[21:20:22] <pulkomandy> it's good as a file browser, but not as a file manager[21:20:38] <pulkomandy> kind of expected since people are not used to have two different tools for that :)[21:21:22] <DiGiTal> I don't have BePDF and tracker is fine, but could be better if in the future will included some features like bulk rename, devices panel, file preview, ec[21:21:42] <yourpalal> pulkomandy: What is expected from a file manager (vs. browser)?[21:22:00] <DiGiTal> There are not BePDF, but I have ported Poppler lib with the example PDF reader for QT[21:22:22] <pulkomandy> yourpalal: a browser is more like an app to travel around the filesystem and open things[21:22:29] <DiGiTal> yes[21:22:49] <pulkomandy> manager is, well, to manage files. Find them, copy them around, move them, batch rename, convert between formats, and so on[21:23:01] <DiGiTal> We could use Dolphin meanwhile the community is developing a native and better file browser for Haiku[21:23:03] <pulkomandy> it's really unusual to see the two things completely separated, actually[21:23:14] <pulkomandy> but I think it would make the experience better in some ways[21:23:22] <yourpalal> Yes, I've never considered them as separate entities before[21:23:42] <yourpalal> In some ways, you could consider the deskbar to be a file browser then?[21:24:06] <pulkomandy> more like the x-ray menus in haiku[21:24:24] <pulkomandy> (when you right click an icon, you can open everything that's inside)[21:25:03] <pulkomandy> it's an idea I got from the Amiga workbench, which is nice to launch apps, but you need another app for any serious thing (usually Directory Opus)[21:25:41] <pulkomandy> the workbench act as the main OS interface, while Directory Opus offer much more extended functionnality like scripting, but it's less graphical[21:26:08] <pulkomandy> you can see a bit of that in the list vs icon view in most modern OS[21:26:14] <pulkomandy> but it isn't as much separated[21:29:49] <yourpalal> That's an interesting concept. So, for Tracker to be a proper file manager, we would need things like the FileTypes addon being more deeply integrated?[21:34:28] <pulkomandy> mh[21:34:43] <pulkomandy> things like PecoRename come to mind[21:35:02] <pulkomandy> not sure about filetype since that's about what to use to open a document (that's browsing)[21:35:17] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[21:35:38] <yourpalal> ah, I was think batch-mime type modification/setting, that sort of thing[21:36:17] <pulkomandy> yes, that fits managing[21:36:45] <pulkomandy> in the browsing area, there are some good tools, for example queries are quite useful[21:36:51] <pulkomandy> indexing would be nice to have[21:37:55] <NeonLicht> File indexing?[21:38:24] <NeonLicht> Something like mairix would be nice.[21:40:46] *** dru_ has quit IRC[21:41:11] <pulkomandy> indexing would be some kind of graphical grep or whatever[21:41:38] <pulkomandy> maybe I need to make a blog post about that someday :)[21:41:43] <DiGiTal> ...[21:42:15] <DiGiTal> Maybe if possible querie support for file indexing[21:42:34] <NeonLicht> Graphical grep? That would kill everything interesting about indexing, wouldn't it?[21:43:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[21:44:17] *** Cobi has quit IRC[21:44:17] *** DiGiTal has quit IRC[21:50:46] *** gevaerts has joined #haiku[21:55:48] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[22:02:04] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:02:53] <Anarchos> How to resize big jpgs in showimage ? I want them to be no more than 100kb[22:03:01] *** gevaerts has left #haiku[22:04:17] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[22:07:21] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[22:10:33] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[22:10:57] <johnny_b> hello[22:12:15] <Anarchos> hi johnny_b[22:13:00] <johnny_b> what's up, Anarchos ? :)[22:13:22] <Anarchos> johnny_b i try to resize a jpg in haiku i don't know how to achieve that[22:15:56] <Anarchos> johnny_b do you know ?[22:16:01] <johnny_b> bummer[22:16:21] <johnny_b> i haven't used beos for a long time[22:16:41] <johnny_b> haiku was never installed on my machines[22:17:40] <johnny_b> but something is broken in my mind because i want to use a beos like system again :)[22:19:36] <Anarchos> johnny_b try haiku ![22:19:42] <Anarchos> it really deserves a try[22:19:47] <jrabbit> lol[22:20:51] <johnny_b> Anarchos: i will[22:21:06] <Anarchos> jrabbit hi[22:21:09] <johnny_b> which is recommended: alpha2 or nightly?[22:21:29] <jrabbit> Do you like 3+ yera old unsupported software?[22:21:47] <Anarchos> jrabbit haiku is not unsupported ![22:21:58] <johnny_b> i can live even without beos compatibility, so you can guess ;)[22:22:23] <jrabbit> Alpha2 is old and lets go with "feature deprived" compared to nightlies :)[22:22:39] <johnny_b> i see[22:22:59] <johnny_b> there's a gcc4 version too, right?[22:23:12] <jrabbit> get a gcc4-hybrid[22:23:26] <jrabbit> it doesn't really matter unless the size of gcc2 is too big..[22:24:42] <johnny_b> sweet[22:27:30] <johnny_b> hmm[22:27:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:27:49] <johnny_b> gcc2-hybrid is recommended :s[22:28:23] *** The123king has left #haiku[22:29:21] <johnny_b> heh[22:30:07] <johnny_b> the translation of video card driver writing howto probably never will be finished ...[22:30:40] <IIsi> ):[22:31:17] <Anarchos> hi mmu_man do you know how i can resize jpg images within haiku ?[22:32:14] <johnny_b> wow, a m68k fan :)[22:33:59] <IIsi> with Daystar 030 Universal PowerCache accelerator![22:34:01] *** IIsi is now known as IIsi50MHz[22:35:06] <johnny_b> congrats :)[22:35:32] <Anarchos> so nobody knows how to resize pics in haiku ???[22:37:09] <yourpalal> what about WonderBrush?[22:37:15] <johnny_b> sry, i can't remember[22:37:24] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:37:44] <Anarchos> yourpalal is it installed as standard ?[22:37:54] <johnny_b> why it could not be done with the 'built-in' image viewer?[22:38:02] <yourpalal> I'm not sure, but you can installoptionalpackage it[22:38:05] <johnny_b> it's quite a basic stuff[22:38:35] <IIsi50MHz> ArtPaint, e-Picture?[22:39:17] <johnny_b> i used to run them on my beos machine[22:39:34] <johnny_b> i used beos as my primary os[22:39:50] <johnny_b> good old times :([22:40:23] <Anarchos> johnny_b i used too and now it is haiku[22:41:29] <johnny_b> that's cool, man[22:41:48] <johnny_b> are you blogging about your adventures with haiku?[22:45:24] *** hola has joined #haiku[22:50:29] *** Kaimei has joined #haiku[22:51:39] *** hola has quit IRC[22:53:43] <johnny_b> anybody? nobody?[22:54:04] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[22:54:40] *** Kaimei is now known as zz_Kaimei[22:58:20] <IIsi50MHz> Je ne sais pas.[22:59:01] *** helfujitsu has quit IRC[23:03:46] <johnny_b> IIsi50MHz: no problem :)[23:03:55] <johnny_b> good night, guys[23:04:01] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[23:04:06] <vooshy> johnny_b: http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/WonderBrush-2.1.2-x86-gcc2-2008-11-08.zip[23:04:14] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[23:04:54] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[23:06:16] *** vooshy has quit IRC[23:08:46] *** Qeos has quit IRC[23:09:18] *** helfujitsu has joined #haiku[23:09:51] <CIA-81> Haiku: axeld * r41258 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/fs_shell/fuse.cpp:[23:09:51] <CIA-81> * Applied patch by idefix that improves the integration with Linux, and let[23:09:51] <CIA-81> bfs_fuse act as a mount helper. This closes ticket #7433. Thanks a lot![23:11:38] *** oZ] has quit IRC[23:12:57] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[23:16:46] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[23:22:17] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[23:24:56] *** Jessica_lily has quit IRC[23:25:16] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[23:25:59] *** Jessica_lily has joined #haiku[23:31:10] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:31:13] *** Stellar has quit IRC[23:34:43] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[23:36:09] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[23:43:53] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:47:21] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[23:48:31] *** oZ] has quit IRC[23:48:33] *** tqh has quit IRC