April 13, 2011 
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April 13, 2011 [00:03:43] *** TomMan81 is now known as TomManAway[00:04:34] *** axeld has quit IRC[00:06:13] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:08:05] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[00:09:37] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[00:11:06] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:30:08] *** ianj has joined #haiku[00:32:57] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[00:33:19] *** ec|detached is now known as elliottcable[00:40:00] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1502 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/glib/ (glib-2.24.1.bep glib-2.24.2.bep):[00:40:01] <CIA-81> Cleaned up directories for glib, glib-2.24.2 builds again with this update. TODO fix the gtk-doc directory to[00:40:01] <CIA-81> go into B_COMMON_DOCUMENTATION instead of B_COMMON_DATA, we'll probably need a patch to get it to move though.[01:05:35] *** heroid has joined #haiku[01:16:48] *** heroid has quit IRC[01:17:41] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[01:23:29] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:23:41] *** elliottcable is now known as ec|detached[01:23:51] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[01:36:35] *** Will07c5 has joined #haiku[01:46:36] *** Tekk_ has joined #haiku[01:50:42] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[01:50:51] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:53:14] <js> is it possible that pthread_mutex_lock is unbelievably slow on Haiku?[01:53:33] <js> like it blocks for a few milliseconds, no matter whether the lock is being held or not?[01:53:43] <js> at least some time you can actually notice as a human[01:53:58] <Tekk_> js what would trigger something that noticable?[01:54:07] <Tekk_> IE how do you want me to reproduce ;P[01:54:12] <Tekk_> err[01:54:13] <Tekk_> eg[01:54:46] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:54:53] <js> well, output something, acquire a lock, release the lock, output again[01:55:06] <js> on a Core2 Duo 2.66 in a VM I can notice a delay for the second output[01:55:43] <js> (well, I did not write a test case, but basically, that's what my code does, acquire a look, do something that should only take a few microseconds, release the lock)[01:55:52] <js> (and before and after it outputs something)[01:56:00] <js> is there some profiler for haiku?[01:56:59] <Tekk_> I've never had any lag on my core2duo[01:57:02] <Tekk_> I'm running native though[01:57:10] <js> yeah, the VM seems way slower[01:57:13] <js> feels like a 200 MHz machine[01:57:15] <js> at maximum[01:57:55] <dreamed> which vm are you using?[01:57:56] <Tekk_> ouch[01:58:01] <js> VMware fusion[01:58:05] <Tekk_> I've never had issues in qemu or virtualbox[01:58:09] <dreamed> we've had this discussion before[01:58:13] <dreamed> fusion is .. rather slow[01:58:14] <js> virtualbox is even slower on os x :([01:58:22] <dreamed> virtualbox barely even works on os x[01:58:23] <dreamed> sadly[01:58:27] <js> yep[01:59:00] *** fengshaun has joined #haiku[01:59:19] <js> but a linux vm runs waaay faster[01:59:27] <js> compiling is about 30 times faster, if not even more[01:59:48] <dreamed> running on linux, or linux in a vm?[02:01:01] <js> linux in a vm[02:01:14] <Tekk_> dreamed either, you just run a distro in vmfusion and then run haiku in a vm in the vm, obviously ;P[02:01:18] <js> compiles even faster than native OS X compile[02:01:28] <Tekk_> oh[02:01:32] <Tekk_> js was serious....[02:01:51] <Tekk_> js would that be the (presumably) old apple gcc?[02:01:57] <dreamed> if you run linux in fusion, you can have the vmware tools stuff[02:01:58] <dreamed> which would help[02:02:22] <Nozy> I use both[02:02:40] <Nozy> but I like vvirtualbox to me is better[02:03:19] *** glitchy has quit IRC[02:03:23] *** glitchy has joined #haiku[02:03:59] <dreamed> tbh it might be worth bootcamping the box for dev from linux or even windows, if you're going to run vm[02:04:12] <dreamed> reminds me, need to add a bootloader so I can has loonix on mine[02:04:38] <js> dreamed: the linux vm seems faster than the native OS X ;)[02:04:49] <dreamed> that wouldn't overly surprise me[02:04:50] <dreamed> heh[02:04:57] <dreamed> although man, os x flies on an ssd drive[02:05:00] <js> damn, I tried the code on the linux vm in a profiler now[02:05:07] <js> it runs too fast for it to collect any samples :/[02:05:17] <js> while on haiku you can actually SEE how it outputs the lines[02:07:22] <jrabbit> Npm abuses symlinks >:([02:08:04] <jrabbit> js: lol how is your apple compile so slow?[02:08:22] <js> jrabbit: it's not so slow, but slower than in the linux vm[02:08:27] <js> then again, forking on OS X has always been slow[02:08:30] <jrabbit> odd.[02:08:38] <jrabbit> could be you're using apple's GCC[02:08:57] <jrabbit> i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)[02:08:58] <jrabbit> LOL[02:09:15] <jrabbit> though compiling gcc is very tedious even using fink[02:11:02] *** Disreali has quit IRC[02:14:06] <js> gprof is strange[02:14:28] <js> objc_msg_lookup should be the most-called function, but it is not even listed oO[02:15:13] <jrabbit> god rsync is crazy[02:15:24] * jrabbit decided he'll jsut run the copy[02:15:36] <mmadia> using rsync?[02:16:32] <jrabbit> Yeah I'm trying to shallow-copy my time machine backups[02:16:50] *** S_arms has joined #haiku[02:16:53] <jrabbit> Having near a million files wasn't so good in the long run[02:17:30] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:18:14] <js> add eax, external_symbol_from_the_same_lib-.L2[02:18:17] <js> why does that crash on haiku?[02:18:48] <mmadia> possibly due to weak symbols?[02:18:55] <mmadia> what are you doing to cause that?[02:19:26] <js> better even[02:19:30] <js> it's in the same assembly unit[02:19:36] <dreamed> angering the mac gods?[02:19:39] <dreamed> >_>[02:20:07] <js> mmadia: https://webkeks.org/hg/objfw-rt/file/ab3805ce47fd/src/lookup-i386-elf.S#l53[02:20:10] <js> this line is crashing on haiku[02:20:14] <js> it's working just fine on linux[02:20:25] <Tekk_> dreamed only way to do that is to refuse a liver transplant[02:20:40] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/login https://dev.haiku-os.org/newticket -- js[02:20:46] <js> mmadia: so it's a bug?[02:20:55] <js> or is PIC done differently on haiku?[02:20:56] <jrabbit> gah rsync --progress is not what you'd expect[02:21:13] *** S_arms has quit IRC[02:21:53] <mmadia> it's been a while since i've looked at autotools/configure scripts ... so i'm not sure about Haiku's PIC[02:23:45] *** S_Arms has joined #haiku[02:24:57] <js> Haiku's PIC does not have much to do with autotools. well, to be exact, nothing even.[02:25:17] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[02:25:40] <mmadia> isn't the PIC mentioned in configure* files?[02:25:56] <mmadia> ... of proper ports[02:28:02] <js> you just do -fPIC[02:28:05] <js> with the C compiler[02:29:57] <js> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7443[02:33:43] <CIA-81> Haiku: mmadia * r41245 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Updated (R) to be B_UTF8_.* Added (TM) as well. thanks phoudoin![02:44:01] *** WebDawg has quit IRC[02:48:59] *** WebDawg has joined #haiku[02:55:52] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[03:02:46] *** Geoz has quit IRC[03:06:02] *** Tekk_ has quit IRC[03:06:27] *** Tekk_ has joined #haiku[03:07:00] *** Tekk_ has quit IRC[03:13:34] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[03:17:46] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[03:19:48] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:24:31] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[03:33:07] *** brianb has quit IRC[03:37:53] *** brianb has joined #haiku[03:59:07] *** Senryu_user has joined #haiku[03:59:32] <Senryu_user> has anyone built and tried using the radeon HD driver ?[04:03:49] <jrabbit> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/sony-v-hotz-ends-whimper-i-mean-gag-order[04:04:20] <umccullough> it's not technically a gag order[04:06:14] <Senryu_user> hmmm, thats depressing[04:06:24] <Senryu_user> What is sony trying to protect anyways ?[04:06:35] <jrabbit> its worse then one.[04:06:38] <jrabbit> Senryu_user: Profits.[04:06:42] <Senryu_user> how ?[04:06:45] *** Nozy has quit IRC[04:06:47] *** gabrielh has joined #haiku[04:06:55] <Senryu_user> its not like they were pirating the sony operating system[04:07:12] <umccullough> jrabbit, eh, we don't know the terms of the settlement[04:07:20] <umccullough> since they're confidential[04:07:33] <umccullough> all we know is the permanent injunction which was filed with the court[04:07:49] <umccullough> which is *not* the settlement terms[04:07:51] <Senryu_user> I am surprised that the court gave a injunction honestly[04:08:07] <jrabbit> FINAL JUDGMENT UPON CONSENT AND PERMANENT INJUNCTION[04:08:09] <umccullough> Senryu_user, they didn't sony and hotz signed it as part of the settlement[04:08:11] <jrabbit> Yes we do ^[04:08:15] <jrabbit> its all in the pdf.[04:08:19] <umccullough> jrabbit, it certainly is not[04:08:24] <umccullough> you're quite mistaken[04:08:45] <umccullough> that's just the injunction that was filed with the court - settlement terms are not required to be public[04:08:47] <jrabbit> AFFICKING in any technology, product, service, device, component, or[04:08:47] <jrabbit> part thereof that, at the time of Hotz's trafficking, circumvents any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT,[04:09:08] <jrabbit> this was filed yesterday[04:09:12] <jrabbit> its the end of the court case.[04:09:16] <umccullough> jrabbit, believe what you want, but the settlement terms are completely unknown - i've read all this stuff already[04:09:16] <Senryu_user> The bigger point is that hotz didn't do anything illegal. It was his hardware. as far as I could tell Sony has no case for economic harm. The judge was a dumbass[04:09:31] <umccullough> the only part of the settlement we do know is the injunction[04:09:42] <umccullough> jrabbit, read hotz comments in his own blog if you don't believe me[04:10:29] <gabrielh> Hotz is lucky to get out without being financially ruined forever.[04:10:44] <Senryu_user> why ? I would have told sony to fuck off.[04:10:58] <gabrielh> That's a tough row to hoe.[04:11:02] <jrabbit> umccullough: where?[04:11:03] <Senryu_user> really ?[04:11:07] <jrabbit> gabrielh: not really[04:11:16] <jrabbit> gabrielh: did you see the stunt they pulled on Sony?[04:11:18] <Senryu_user> I mean, lets look at a company like HP tunners or SCT flash[04:11:21] <gabrielh> Doing legal battle with Sony corporation.[04:11:24] <jrabbit> the branch that was suing him[04:11:28] <jrabbit> didn't own the code.[04:11:36] <jrabbit> had no stake in the case[04:11:43] <umccullough> George Hotz said...[04:11:43] <umccullough> @MX The terms of the settlement agreement are "confidential" and the matter requires that they be "confidential".[04:11:50] <umccullough> @BricksLamp The terms of the settlement agreement are "confidential" and the matter requires that they be "confidential".[04:11:51] <gabrielh> Doesn't mean a thing. If it was important to Sony they could make the case last forever and ruin the guy.[04:11:58] <umccullough> George Hotz said...[04:11:58] <umccullough> @Paul By contract, I cannot discuss the Action or my views regarding the Action.[04:12:06] <umccullough> George Hotz said...[04:12:06] <umccullough> @Paul I am bound by a permanent injunction.[04:12:17] <jrabbit> As a part of that settlement, SCEA and Hotz have agreed to the entry of this Final Judgment Upon Consent and Permanent Injunction ("Judgment" upon the stipulated facts.[04:12:27] <jrabbit> It says all this in the breif...[04:12:28] <umccullough> George Hotz said...[04:12:28] <umccullough> @Rafa I am not allowed by the terms of the settlement agreement to discuss the Action(lawsuit)[04:12:34] <Senryu_user> hear are companys that hack firmware on engine controllers and sell hardware and software to modify it. If General Motor or Ford motor company though they had a case, they would sue the crap out of those 2 companies and yet here we are and no one has been sued. Chrysler has tried dragging a few folks into court and fialed everytime.[04:12:43] <umccullough> George Hotz said...[04:12:43] <umccullough> @Paul The terms of the settlement agreement are "confidential"[04:12:43] <umccullough> I will attempt to clarify this further in upcoming posts. But if it isn't already clarified by the work I've done on the iPhone, I'm not sure how much more I can convince you.[04:12:49] <Senryu_user> GM and Ford are larger then sony[04:12:52] <umccullough> just read his own comments[04:13:04] <jrabbit> where?[04:13:05] <jrabbit> link.[04:13:09] <umccullough> http://geohotgotsued.blogspot.com/2011/04/joining-sony-boycott.html#comments[04:13:11] <umccullough> seriously?[04:13:16] <umccullough> the link to his blog was in the article you posted[04:14:49] <gabrielh> In any case, I'm trying to build Haiku from source, from linux for the first time and am running into some snags. Anyone done this recently?[04:14:59] <umccullough> everything that is public is public because sony wants people to believe they won[04:15:06] <umccullough> that was clearly part of their settlement terms[04:15:47] <augiedoggie> gabrielh: about 30 minutes ago. Is that recent enough? :P[04:15:56] <gabrielh> Yes, recent enough.[04:16:21] <umccullough> and apparently shortly after the settltement was announced, they dropped the suit agains fail0verflow[04:16:53] <gabrielh> I'm getting ...failed C++ generated/objects/linux/x86/release/build/libroot/atomic.o ...[04:17:17] <gabrielh> along with 4 skipped messages[04:17:22] <augiedoggie> it would help to pastebin the full output[04:17:29] <gabrielh> ok[04:18:45] <gabrielh> http://pastebin.com/jruqRz17[04:19:23] <augiedoggie> my first guess it that you're missing some of the required build tools[04:19:30] <augiedoggie> which distro?[04:19:38] <gabrielh> ubuntu[04:19:42] <gabrielh> 10.10[04:19:42] *** trn has joined #haiku[04:20:04] <gabrielh> installed all buildtools required in Readme.crossCompile[04:20:37] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[04:21:46] <Senryu_user> did you download the build tools ?[04:21:53] *** Kernel86_ has joined #haiku[04:22:36] <gabrielh> It appears to fail on the first cc -c .........[04:22:36] <gabrielh> cc --version[04:22:36] <gabrielh> cc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) 4.4.5[04:22:37] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[04:22:42] <gabrielh> yes[04:23:00] <gabrielh> ./configure --build-cross-tools ../buildtools/[04:23:05] <augiedoggie> hmm, haven't ever read that file before, I usually use http://haiku-os.org/guides/building/pre-reqs[04:23:05] <augiedoggie> looks almost the same, but that page lists things like "build-essential" package[04:23:32] *** kurain has joined #haiku[04:23:34] *** redblue has quit IRC[04:23:44] <gabrielh> Same list.[04:24:04] <augiedoggie> it might not like being run like that, usually you create a subdirectory "generated" and run ../configure .......[04:24:15] <gabrielh> oh ok[04:24:17] <gabrielh> I'll try that.[04:24:21] <augiedoggie> http://haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid[04:25:00] <Senryu_user> I'd really like to try building the radeon hd driver, but I don't see any note on it[04:25:12] <gabrielh> That was the guide I was using.[04:25:44] <gabrielh> I see, very different from Readmes.[04:28:29] <escoloader> dude, haiku is not me-friendly[04:28:54] <jrabbit> s/haiku/any system you didn't write[04:31:15] *** redblue has joined #haiku[04:34:24] *** RAW has joined #haiku[04:35:12] <Senryu_user> escoloader what about haiku isn't"me friendly" so we can understnad what it is your projecting displeasure about ?[04:37:18] <escoloader> well, it may have to do with my inabilities/ignorance :)[04:37:41] *** impy has quit IRC[04:39:05] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[04:40:02] <escoloader> i can't get connected to the internet in my vbox haiku[04:40:08] <escoloader> i have the network adapter set to NAT[04:46:32] *** fengshaun has quit IRC[04:46:38] *** fengshaun has joined #haiku[04:50:15] <gabrielh> http://pastebin.com/RSDbNvhx[04:50:32] <gabrielh> I followed the gcc-hybrid guide[04:50:50] <gabrielh> still fails[04:51:00] <gabrielh> Is one method preferable over another?[04:51:09] <gabrielh> gcc2 over gcc4?[04:53:20] <gabrielh> I've tried it both ways. Both fail, although with gcc2 as primary it did seem to get farther and it downloaded pci.ids[04:54:48] <gabrielh> http://pastebin.com/8GiQk5wk[04:54:57] <gabrielh> There's the output from gcc2 version[04:55:42] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[04:55:49] <Senryu_user> I think you have a problem with your ram/hdd or the kernel isn't stable[04:55:53] <umccullough> gabrielh, what host is that?[04:56:02] <Senryu_user> seems to be fialing on writes[04:56:13] <Senryu_user> read/writes[04:56:26] <umccullough> ubuntu...[04:56:31] <Senryu_user> cc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory[04:56:38] <Senryu_user> theres a bunch of those in the build[04:56:38] <gabrielh> Yeah I was just reading that.[04:56:52] <umccullough> iirc, those are internal bits to gcc[04:57:07] <umccullough> i've seen similar errors[04:57:11] <umccullough> but dunno what causes them[04:57:12] <Senryu_user> my bet is a problem with the ubuntu kernel[04:57:20] <umccullough> gabrielh, only happens on a hybrid?[04:57:44] <gabrielh> jam -q -sHAIKU_ADD_ALTERNATIVE_GCC_LIBS=0 @nightly-raw[04:57:46] <gabrielh> Just tried that[04:57:51] <gabrielh> which should force gcc2[04:57:59] <gabrielh> same thing[04:58:00] <umccullough> also, you tried without -j4 i assume[04:58:02] <umccullough> k[04:58:21] <gabrielh> yes[04:58:36] <umccullough> http://www.docunext.com/blog/2009/06/cc-error-trying-to-exec-cc1plus-execvp-no-such-file-or-directory.html[04:58:43] <umccullough> did you apt-get install build-essential?[04:59:00] <umccullough> cuz you should have g++[04:59:24] <umccullough> the target it's compiling is for your host[04:59:25] <gabrielh> nope, it's a new install of ubuntu too[04:59:26] <umccullough> not for haiku[04:59:34] <jrabbit> gabrielh: that would be why...[04:59:40] <umccullough> you didn't install all the dependencies?[04:59:41] <gabrielh> thanks[05:00:28] <gabrielh> dependencies for what?[05:00:42] <umccullough> building haiku[05:00:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:00:58] <umccullough> http://haiku-os.org/guides/building/pre-reqs[05:01:01] <gabrielh> seems to be working now....[05:01:16] <umccullough> there's a sudo apt-get line there you should use :)[05:01:20] <gabrielh> Yeah I installed all those[05:01:26] <umccullough> build-essential is in the list[05:01:38] <gabrielh> ahh[05:01:39] <gabrielh> so it is[05:01:47] <gabrielh> I was install the bullet pointed list individually[05:01:51] <umccullough> heh[05:01:55] <umccullough> you might run into a couple more as well[05:02:00] <umccullough> like zip/unzip and wget[05:02:05] <umccullough> but ubuntu probably has them[05:02:07] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1503 /haikuports/trunk/app-editors/joe/joe-3.8-hg.bep: Cleaned up directories for joe.[05:02:09] <gabrielh> think so[05:02:13] <gabrielh> wget I know for sure[05:02:31] <gabrielh> zip unzip are there too[05:02:40] <umccullough> debian doesn't so i always have to install 'em[05:03:17] <gabrielh> I see.[05:03:20] <umccullough> i should update that guide[05:03:22] <umccullough> :P[05:03:25] <gabrielh> Thanks.[05:03:53] <gabrielh> Once I get this installed from source it's on to trying to get it running a decent resolution (i.e. 1920x1080)[05:03:59] <jrabbit> umccullough: make sure you put them all in one command, i haven't looked at yours but I've seen some weird stuff[05:04:20] <gabrielh> It's all in one command[05:04:22] <gabrielh> Which I ignored.[05:04:23] <umccullough> jrabbit, there's a single apt-get install line there[05:04:47] <umccullough> i think it was written by matt[05:04:51] <jrabbit> k :)[05:05:13] <jrabbit> I think it was diaspora that had random apt-get commands everywhere[05:05:50] <umccullough> heh[05:06:07] <umccullough> i think some people don't realize you can specify multiple packages at once[05:06:13] <umccullough> <shrug>[05:06:18] <Senryu_user> linux, making simple things insanely impossiable since 1991[05:06:26] <umccullough> eh[05:06:51] <umccullough> i'm often amazed at how much more one can accomplish on linux than say windows[05:07:12] <umccullough> FOSS has its quirks, regardless of platform[05:08:43] <gabrielh> This build process is downloading a lot of stuff. Why is that?[05:09:03] <umccullough> well, the first thing it has to download is the ICU library for linking the locale stuff[05:09:07] <jrabbit> so that it can build them...[05:09:09] <umccullough> then it downloads all the optional packages[05:09:12] <Senryu_user> I can accomplish plenty on widnows[05:09:29] <umccullough> Senryu_user, not without locating and installing a shitload of software from wherever[05:09:32] <Senryu_user> I accomplished finishing star wars the force unleashed II last night[05:09:56] <umccullough> i accomplished watching a movie on netflix :)[05:10:12] <Senryu_user> I have the same problem with linux, the problem is that typically the apps are of much lower quality or lack so many features I need 3-4 programs to do the job of one.[05:10:12] <umccullough> that's something you can't do on linux[05:10:21] <Senryu_user> I like netflix ![05:10:36] <umccullough> well yeah, FOSS is always a tradeoff of features/functionality[05:10:43] <Senryu_user> actually, there is a way around netflix but the legality of it is dobious[05:10:54] <Senryu_user> for instance I use Presonus Studio One[05:10:56] <gabrielh> cool, it appears to have built successfully. Thanks a ton.[05:10:58] <Senryu_user> in my home studio[05:15:18] <gabrielh> Using a tv tuner is a hell of a lot easier in windows. Struggled mightily with MythTV. Windows just worked.[05:15:35] *** gabrielh has quit IRC[05:16:36] <Senryu_user> MS has a serious headstart over everyone. The best way to overcome this is to reduce the quantity of software and improve the quality of fewer apps.[05:16:48] <Senryu_user> If you can't out variety them, out quality them[05:17:36] *** umccullough has left #haiku[05:20:07] <escoloader> i can't get connected to the internet in my vbox haiku[05:20:27] <Senryu_user> which ethernet adapter are you using ?[05:22:02] <OmniMancer> escoloader: ensure its one of the intel cards, it defaults to some ancient amd pcnet thing that haiku doesn't have a driver for[05:22:26] <escoloader> its set to NAT for network adapter[05:23:00] <escoloader> what should i set it to OmniMancer?[05:23:31] <OmniMancer> escoloader: there should be an expander arrow on that page that will show a dropdown box with card models in it[05:23:59] <Senryu_user> the intel 10/1000 works properly IIRC[05:24:35] <escoloader> k, fingers crossed..[05:24:57] <OmniMancer> any of the intel cards "should" work[05:30:01] *** sotrud_nik has joined #haiku[05:30:56] *** escoloader-onhai has joined #haiku[05:31:01] <escoloader-onhai> muhahaha[05:31:07] <escoloader-onhai> thanks for your helps, guys[05:31:12] <sotrud_nik> hi[05:31:44] <Senryu_user> no problem ![05:31:49] <Senryu_user> hi sotrud[05:32:17] <escoloader-onhai> how do i enable workspaces?[05:33:15] <Senryu_user> goto the leaf[05:33:17] <augiedoggie> http://haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/workspaces.html[05:33:19] <Senryu_user> desktop applets[05:33:28] <Senryu_user> select workspaces[05:34:16] <OmniMancer> escoloader-onhai: workspaces are always enabled :D[05:34:49] <escoloader-onhai> thanks[05:34:57] <escoloader-onhai> and what are the hotkeys to switch?[05:35:27] <escoloader-onhai> nvm[05:35:29] <escoloader-onhai> got it :)[05:35:37] <OmniMancer> the usual I think[05:35:44] <OmniMancer> though the workspaces applet is useful[05:36:46] <Senryu_user> I use it on occassion. I'd really rather have dual and triple head etc support[05:37:51] <Senryu_user> Xvideoserviethief is a great program ![05:42:03] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:43:52] *** gabrielh has joined #haiku[05:46:22] *** escoloader-onhai has quit IRC[05:46:29] <gabrielh> Am I right in thinking that if installed Haiku to /dev/sdb3 this equates to root=(hd1,3) for grub?[05:46:52] <augiedoggie> grub uses 0 based index, (hd1,2)[05:47:05] <gabrielh> 0 based for drives[05:47:10] <gabrielh> 1 based for partitions I thought[05:47:15] <gabrielh> I've tried both anyway[05:47:34] <gabrielh> error: no such partition exists[05:47:43] <Senryu_user> I find the haiku bootmanager easier to use personally[05:48:37] <sotrud_nik> btw, where are boot parameters stored?[05:48:47] <gabrielh> I guess I could give it a try, but I'm working without a net. Loss of access to other OSes is not an option.[05:48:54] <sotrud_nik> need to enable vesa permanently[05:49:29] <augiedoggie> yes, grub2 changed the partition indexing[05:49:51] <Senryu_user> yeah the haiku bootloader works fine for me and it is capable of restoring the previous bootloader as well IIRC[05:50:09] <Senryu_user> I boot ubuntu/haiku/winxp/win7 all with the haiku boot loader[05:56:23] *** augiedoggie has left #haiku[05:59:04] *** gabrielh has quit IRC[06:04:55] *** gabrielh has joined #haiku[06:08:53] *** Nozy has quit IRC[06:11:19] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:20:28] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[06:21:59] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[06:25:20] *** sotrud_nik has left #haiku[06:27:36] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1504 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/libpng/ (libpng-1.5.0.bep libpng-1.5.2.bep): Cleaned up directories for libpng, and updated to 1.5.2.[06:28:29] *** gabrielh has quit IRC[06:31:07] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[06:41:32] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1505 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/jpeg/jpeg-8c.bep: Cleaned up directories for jpeg[06:47:21] *** sotrud_nik has joined #haiku[06:47:21] *** sotrud_nik has left #haiku[06:50:54] *** gabrielh has joined #haiku[06:51:25] <gabrielh> I've read some chatlogs and it appears that sometimes there just isn't any hope of loading Haiku from Grub2[06:52:33] <Senryu_user> and the haikuboot loader works flawlessly[06:54:29] <gabrielh> Been looking around for info about how to install that.[06:54:30] <jrabbit> gabrielh: but can it chainload to the haiku one?[06:55:06] <gabrielh> Don't know what you mean really jrabbit.[06:56:03] <gabrielh> you mean run the haiku boot loader from grub?[06:56:23] <jrabbit> its what it does for windows.[06:57:59] <gabrielh> Oh.[06:58:41] <gabrielh> menuentry "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" {[06:58:41] <gabrielh> insmod part_msdos[06:58:41] <gabrielh> insmod ntfs[06:58:41] <gabrielh> set root='(hd0,msdos1)'[06:58:41] <gabrielh> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set a05ae3475ae31934[06:58:42] <gabrielh> chainloader +1[06:58:44] <gabrielh> }[06:59:00] <gabrielh> the Haiku stuff looks essentially the same[06:59:12] <gabrielh> chainloader +1 included[07:00:05] *** gabrielh has quit IRC[07:01:22] *** Stellar has quit IRC[07:09:09] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[07:18:09] *** DrHouse|Horner has joined #haiku[07:18:15] *** birdwindupbird has joined #haiku[07:19:14] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[07:19:25] *** birdwindupbird has quit IRC[07:19:38] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[07:20:01] *** fengshaun has quit IRC[07:20:39] *** Senryu_user has quit IRC[07:26:02] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[07:26:48] *** kPb_in_ has joined #haiku[07:26:53] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[07:27:54] *** Nozy has quit IRC[07:28:06] *** birdwindupbird has joined #haiku[07:28:15] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[07:28:48] *** Nozy has left #haiku[07:29:24] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[07:29:24] *** kPb_in_ is now known as kPb_in[07:30:00] *** birdwindupbird has left #haiku[07:42:06] *** 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If you are still there...[09:57:30] <phoudoin> a LCD 19'' monitor or a CRT?[09:57:34] <sotrud_nik> LCD[09:59:57] <phoudoin> okay, so it's a pixel clock issue or a port configuration. Or both.[10:00:09] <phoudoin> Your LCD was connectec to the VGA port?[10:00:22] <phoudoin> connected[10:00:27] <sotrud_nik> yes, it's the only video output[10:01:00] <phoudoin> the pixel clock computation and limits are not the same for VGA and LCD.[10:02:09] <phoudoin> If and when I have find some answer to your issue, I'll post on your ticket. 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But still it does power very expensive and complex device.[16:14:38] <kallisti5> so there were an infinite level of NEW_GFX_ENGINE1, NEW_GFX_ENGINE2, NEW_NEW_GFX_ENGINE3, etc[16:15:18] <kallisti5> phoudoin: what are you working on?[16:15:27] <kallisti5> you can omit names of needed :)[16:16:19] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[16:17:00] <phoudoin> I'm working on next TVHD encoder box product. The target is TV broadcasters.[16:17:27] <kallisti5> oh, thats fancy.. sounds like top dollar equipment.[16:17:45] <kallisti5> what codec does it encode to?[16:20:08] <phoudoin> MP4 h264, Dolby Digital (all kinds), MP2, AAC, plus all these tricky stuffs like close captions, embedded tv guide, audio descriptions...[16:20:09] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[16:20:36] <phoudoin> that's > $40k equipment, yes.[16:20:47] <phoudoin> still, the code is ugly ugly ugly[16:21:06] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[16:21:09] <phoudoin> I'm a contractant, not an employee[16:23:10] <phoudoin> If I was, I would be ashamed.[16:23:23] <phoudoin> As I'm a contractant, I'm... trapped :-)[16:24:20] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[16:32:48] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[16:33:00] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:34:57] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[16:41:12] *** RAW has quit IRC[16:42:29] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[16:42:59] *** impy has joined #haiku[16:44:40] *** Stellar has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** AlexFera 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Perl bindings is still disable, as[20:57:16] <CIA-81> I didn't have time and the will to test this.[20:57:16] <CIA-81> The default font is hardcoded to Haiku's default one.[20:57:16] <CIA-81> These changes could probably be backported to 2.24 too, but why maintining olded 2.24?[21:07:24] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[21:10:16] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[21:11:09] *** Geoz|lap has quit IRC[21:11:09] *** Geoz|lap has joined #haiku[21:11:15] *** Geoz|lap is now known as Geoz[21:11:21] *** elliottcable is now known as ec|detached[21:12:32] <looncraz> How to build gcc2/4 hybrid?[21:12:32] <looncraz> I've found only what seems to be outdated instructions[21:15:01] *** duvjones has quit IRC[21:16:04] <looncraz> brb, VMWare is caught in a loop.. using up CPU and lagging everything...[21:16:04] *** looncraz has quit IRC[21:16:48] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[21:18:14] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[21:18:16] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[21:18:36] <idefix_xifedi> looncraz: tried http://haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid ?[21:25:40] <looncraz> Hmm.. I've seen that page a dozen times, just didn't seem to find it again.. hwo odd[21:25:40] <looncraz> thanks idefix_xifedi[21:28:42] <looncraz> suppose I should jump over to the hybrid build first..[21:28:42] *** looncraz has quit IRC[21:29:04] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:29:15] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[21:29:17] *** punjabibecks has joined #haiku[21:30:25] *** bubble_ has quit IRC[21:30:26] *** punjabibecks is now known as bubble_[21:31:28] *** DrHouse|Hyperion has quit IRC[21:32:02] *** DrHouse|Hyperion has joined #haiku[21:34:15] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[21:34:28] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[21:34:30] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[21:34:51] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[21:38:25] *** brechtm has quit IRC[21:40:10] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[21:41:30] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[21:41:59] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[21:43:05] *** gabrielh has joined #haiku[21:44:20] <gabrielh> Once you produce a haiku-nightly.vmdk from source, what do you have to do additionally to run this through vmware player?[21:44:44] <gabrielh> For example if I were to just download the nightly vmware build from the website, it comes with a vmx file as well as a vmdk file.[21:48:03] <scgtrp> create a vm and add that as the hard drive, afaik[21:51:16] <gabrielh> That's what I read, but no luck.[21:52:03] <gabrielh> When you create a new virtual machine, it asks for an installer disc, or disk image.[21:52:12] <gabrielh> Or you can install the os later.[21:52:21] <gabrielh> I've tried all those options, none work.[21:52:42] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:53:10] <scgtrp> odd. i dunno, i'm not a vmware user[21:53:22] <scgtrp> "doesn't work" how?[21:53:33] <gabrielh> Do you run Haiku in a virtual machine of another type?[21:53:39] <scgtrp> i use virtualbox[21:53:54] <gabrielh> "Operating system not found"[21:54:03] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:56:09] <scgtrp> hm. does that make a partitioned disk image or an image of a partition?[21:56:39] <scgtrp> the latter should boot, i think[21:57:02] <gabrielh> I'm not certain.[21:57:32] <gabrielh> I'm having a hard time defining in vmware player exactly the disk image I'd like to use.[21:58:28] <|PulkoMandy|> use the vmx from the downloaded image[21:58:37] <|PulkoMandy|> it's a text file so you can edit it as needed[21:58:47] <kirilla> maybe something like mentioned here: http://communities.vmware.com/message/1325516[21:58:52] <gabrielh> Ok, I'll give that a try.[21:59:37] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[22:00:15] <gabrielh> What about the other files...there's a .vmxf and a .vmsd as well[22:00:23] *** punjabibecks has joined #haiku[22:00:41] <kirilla> no idea[22:02:04] *** bubble_ has quit IRC[22:02:05] *** punjabibecks is now known as bubble_[22:03:09] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[22:03:39] *** johnny_b has joined #haiku[22:03:47] <johnny_b> hi[22:04:25] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:04:30] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[22:04:40] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[22:05:01] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[22:07:02] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[22:07:29] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[22:11:35] <gabrielh> Thanks PulkoMandy...was able to modify the vmx to work.[22:11:40] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[22:13:18] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[22:15:25] *** bubble_ is now known as bubble[22:15:39] *** bubble is now known as bubble_[22:16:29] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:16:35] *** _marc` has quit IRC[22:17:15] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[22:18:19] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[22:18:44] *** bubble_ is now known as bubble[22:20:14] <stpere> hmm.. nice[22:20:43] <stpere> I found a way to remotely crash one of our server.. without any login[22:20:59] <stpere> telnet some port, type CTRL+C twice.. tadam[22:21:46] <stpere> reproduced it twice[22:24:51] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[22:24:58] *** backb0ne_ has quit IRC[22:26:09] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[22:28:30] *** bubble is now known as bubble_[22:30:31] <AlienSoldier> stpere now you just have to test that on the NASDAQ server :P[22:31:03] <gabrielh> What is the best way to respond to requests for additional information on GSoC proposals?[22:32:26] <scgtrp> providing additional information seemed to work for me[22:32:29] <scgtrp> what do you mean?[22:33:55] *** vooshy has quit IRC[22:35:39] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:36:00] <yourpalal> gabrielh: adding comments is good, if you want you can actually update your proposal text, but a comment about what you added is nice, because it is hard to tell what changes.[22:38:57] <gabrielh> Ok, thanks yourpalal.[22:39:08] <yourpalal> welcome :)[22:40:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:47:52] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[22:49:33] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[22:55:05] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[22:55:26] *** diver has left #haiku[22:58:43] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[22:58:50] *** diver has joined #haiku[23:03:03] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:07:15] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:10:53] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[23:11:45] <stpere> AlienSoldier: haha[23:12:04] <stpere> they actually asked me to test it 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