April 11, 2011 
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April 11, 2011 [00:02:46] <jrabbit> ooh I could use haiku's websites colors for zebra stripes :3[00:02:53] <jrabbit> http://serenity.jrfxmedia.com:8080/table[00:03:11] *** deesharpe is now known as theroots[00:03:18] *** theroots is now known as dsharpe[00:04:20] <mmadia> jrabbit : any thoughts on consolidating the x86 pages?[00:04:27] <jrabbit> hmmm?[00:04:44] <mmadia> like on haiku-files.org, the anyboot, cd, raw, and vmware are separate pages.[00:05:03] <jrabbit> its fine the way it is I think...[00:05:15] <mmadia> maybe something like a collapsable navigation, with the newest revision automatically expanded.[00:05:32] <jrabbit> thats pretty easy[00:05:35] <jrabbit> is the website in the svn?[00:06:10] <mmadia> no, haiku-files.org is html + php. the current code is bit of a mess to boot.[00:08:16] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:09:08] <mmadia> maybe something like http://pastebin.com/GxCmq9zx ?[00:09:09] <jrabbit> hm[00:09:43] <jrabbit> with the scraper I have setup that wouldn't be hard to make...[00:09:45] <mmadia> the CSS from the userguide/welcome pages could be used too ;)[00:10:12] *** clay has joined #haiku[00:11:57] *** Geoz has quit IRC[00:13:52] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[00:17:51] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[00:22:39] *** tiffany352 has joined #haiku[00:22:50] <tiffany352> I love haiku x3[00:23:00] <tiffany352> it boots up in 8 seconds[00:23:01] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1492 /haikuports/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Changed openssh and libedit bep files to be able to find aclocal dir.[00:23:03] <tiffany352> and shutdowns in 4[00:23:32] <tiffany352> although the browser that comes with it is kind of bad :|[00:27:51] <jrabbit> mmadia: would that be useful>?[00:28:07] <jrabbit> what kind of database does the php code use?[00:30:57] <mmadia> i'd need to check. mmlr was the last to work on the RSS feeds and stuff.[00:32:01] <evil_core> tiffany352: WebPositive is bad?[00:32:14] <CIA-81> Haiku: stippi * r41212 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/ (10 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[00:32:15] <CIA-81> * A whole buch of refactoring and other changes to make Icon-O-Matic[00:32:15] <CIA-81> a multi-document application. This is already more useful than[00:32:15] <CIA-81> before, but will be even more useful once it is possible to copy[00:32:15] <CIA-81> more types of objects to the system clipboard and paste them into[00:32:15] <CIA-81> other open icons.[00:32:16] <CIA-81> * Fixed wrong snapping menu item being marked when restoring settings[00:32:35] <umccullough> i suppose web+ is "bad" for someone that is spoiled with firefox, safari, or chrome[00:32:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:32:58] <evil_core> whats bad in it?[00:33:15] <umccullough> doesn't work with gmail[00:33:16] <evil_core> its webkit like safari/chrome and git very similar interface[00:33:33] <umccullough> missing html5 audio/video support still[00:33:45] <evil_core> hmmm...why? https or jsa is broken in haiku?[00:33:49] <umccullough> doesn't have a "disable javascript" option[00:33:52] <mmadia> gmail's standard html mode works.[00:33:54] <tiffany352> evil_core: It's missing a lot of features, renders pages oddly, doesn't support gopher (mega D: faic), it's crashed 1/2 times I used it...[00:34:05] <umccullough> evil_core, not sure - but web+ is using curl for network support, unlike most webkit based browsers[00:34:12] <umccullough> support for gopher?[00:34:16] <jrabbit> Arora supports the modern web. :P[00:34:18] <umccullough> i'm pretty sure that's a "patches welcome" situation[00:34:20] <tiffany352> and is there an oddly named IRC application preinstalled?[00:34:21] <evil_core> it qas joke :P[00:34:29] <evil_core> Arora is also Webkit based[00:34:35] <evil_core> so curl is bad?[00:34:37] <tiffany352> because I didn't notice an IRC program[00:34:41] <umccullough> evil_core, curl isn't the best[00:34:46] <jrabbit> evil_core: no webpositive is just outdated.[00:34:48] <mmadia> Vision = irc program[00:35:03] <umccullough> Vision is teh bestestest[00:35:07] <jrabbit> esp its webkit[00:35:12] <tiffany352> Is it like xchat?[00:35:17] <evil_core> I was thinking that curl is ery powerfull[00:35:17] <umccullough> sure[00:35:36] <umccullough> evil_core, i think the problem is - it doesn't work super good for a multi-threaded browser[00:35:41] <evil_core> but I have used it only from bash :P[00:36:03] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[00:36:03] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[00:36:04] <umccullough> chrome has a custom networking backend iirc[00:36:22] <evil_core> because google doesnt use http only[00:36:33] <evil_core> but their SPDY language[00:36:43] <evil_core> but what other browsers uses?[00:36:53] <umccullough> i guess web+ is also lacking proper caching support - possibly due to the use of curl, dunno[00:37:18] <umccullough> these are all things i hear through the grapevine ;)[00:37:45] <evil_core> hmm..so what arora uses?[00:38:02] <umccullough> featurewise, missing the ability to enable/disable javascript and image support, missing a password management feature, missing html5 audio/video[00:38:10] <evil_core> is gtk/webkit or qt/webkit related to network engines?[00:38:11] <umccullough> missing certificate management[00:38:24] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[00:38:39] <evil_core> under linux we got manu gtk/qwt-webkit based browsers[00:38:44] <umccullough> no clue[00:38:54] <evil_core> and all fro mbeginnings supports most webpages[00:38:57] <umccullough> guessing that's related to using webkit as an html widget[00:39:02] <umccullough> like a "webviewer"[00:39:15] <Tekk_> is there a java port?[00:39:19] <evil_core> but man, arora also uses webkit[00:39:22] <Tekk_> with jwgj[00:39:25] <umccullough> Tekk_, not entirely[00:39:45] <evil_core> anything except IE, Opera and FireFox uses webkit today :P[00:39:46] <umccullough> openjdk port is incomplete, but someone ported jamvm[00:39:46] <Tekk_> k, guess I'll need to jump into gnu/linux for minecraft then :P[00:39:53] <umccullough> lol[00:39:59] <umccullough> minecraft requires much more than just java[00:40:04] <umccullough> like accelerated 3d[00:40:19] <Tekk_> umccullough yeah it needs jwgj[00:40:23] <Tekk_> jwgl*[00:40:27] <evil_core> Haiku currebtly us as powerfull as Windows 3.11 :P[00:40:27] <Tekk_> and I thought you had accelled 3d[00:40:32] <umccullough> nope[00:40:42] <Tekk_> that'd explain why teapot lags so much :P[00:40:46] <umccullough> haiku is way more powerful than wfw311 ;)[00:40:53] <umccullough> teapot lags?[00:40:57] <Tekk_> relative to hw[00:41:00] <umccullough> sure[00:41:09] <umccullough> all software rendered[00:41:10] <Tekk_> and also last time I tried it I was on a p4 ;P[00:41:52] <umccullough> all done with mesa though[00:41:52] <evil_core> its because Haiku misses rfc2324 protocol[00:41:56] <Tekk_> ah, much nicer now[00:42:36] <Tekk_> oh! and what's the directory you dump firmware in?[00:42:52] <Tekk_> like, I wanna install broadcom firmware[00:42:57] <umccullough> i dunno, there's some "installwifi.sh" script[00:43:04] <umccullough> just run the script, it will install it[00:43:10] <Tekk_> umccullough not in daily ;P[00:43:20] <umccullough> uh[00:43:21] <Tekk_> oh[00:43:22] <Tekk_> yeah[00:43:24] <umccullough> open terminal[00:43:25] <umccullough> :)[00:43:26] <Tekk_> it's not in ~ anymoer[00:43:39] <umccullough> it's int he path[00:43:43] <Tekk_> yeah[00:43:50] * umccullough goes to find a beer[00:44:09] <augiedoggie> find one for me too[00:44:49] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[00:46:06] * umccullough dcc's augiedoggie a guinness[00:46:42] <umccullough> bah, my firewall isn't setup right[00:46:43] *** Tekk_ has quit IRC[00:46:47] <umccullough> i'll fax it[00:47:12] <augiedoggie> meh, then it'll taste like toner[00:47:22] <umccullough> aw well[00:47:27] <umccullough> picky bastard[00:47:39] <augiedoggie> guess I can turn around and reach into the fridge right behind me[00:47:47] <umccullough> yeah, do that :)[00:48:31] <tiffany352> [18:37] <evil_core> but their SPDY language <-- It's a faster version of HTTP, not a language :P[00:48:43] <umccullough> what happend to CIA-81?[00:48:46] * umccullough kicks CIA-81[00:48:46] <tiffany352> gopher uses less bandwidth than HTTP :3[00:48:48] <CIA-81> ow[00:48:53] <tiffany352> o.o[00:49:09] * jrabbit screams about css[00:49:11] <umccullough> oh nevermind[00:49:18] <umccullough> i see CIA-81 worked earlier :P[00:49:23] * umccullough pets CIA-81[00:49:29] * umccullough rubs CIA-81's tummy[00:49:30] * augiedoggie kicks umccullough[00:49:30] <CIA-81> *purr*[00:49:44] <tiffany352> I /would/ be using mah haiku right now, but I'm currently building a rootfs.img file :P[00:49:44] *** mmu has quit IRC[00:49:54] <tiffany352> CIA-81: Are you a furry? :D[00:50:10] <umccullough> no, but he tastes crunchy[00:50:55] *** deesharpe has joined #haiku[00:50:57] *** dsharpe has quit IRC[00:51:10] <jrabbit> excellent[00:51:15] <umccullough> tiffany352, are you a dev?[00:51:40] <tiffany352> for..?[00:51:49] <tiffany352> I've been writing my own game engine[00:51:53] <umccullough> just asking, cuz i was half-serious about the gopher "patches welcome" earlier :)[00:52:05] <tiffany352> Oh, I don't really have much experience with that stuff :|[00:52:11] <umccullough> aw well[00:52:17] <tiffany352> I've only written IRC bots, a chunk of a gopher server, and games[00:52:21] <tiffany352> :d[00:52:23] <umccullough> i'm guessing curl doesn't support gopher[00:52:28] <tiffany352> probably not[00:52:43] <tiffany352> very simple protocol though[00:52:49] <umccullough> another major missing feature of web+ - no FTP browser/download support[00:52:58] <CIA-81> Haiku: stippi * r41213 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h): Update window title with file name when it is known.[00:52:59] <tiffany352> connect, then send the resource you want followed by \r\n[00:53:11] <umccullough> tiffany352, like telnet style?[00:53:20] <tiffany352> You can easily use it through telnet[00:53:25] <umccullough> nice[00:53:29] <tiffany352> just send the resource, hit enter, then the page is returned[00:53:43] *** Tekk_ has joined #haiku[00:53:48] <Tekk_> when did haiku get huge? O.o[00:53:50] <tiffany352> then it sends a line with only a . on it, and the connection is closed[00:53:57] <umccullough> well, hopefully when web+ grows up and gets a real networking backend...[00:53:58] <tiffany352> You can send HTML, gophermaps, text files, etc[00:54:21] <tiffany352> gophermaps would make for a really nice file browser btw[00:54:22] <umccullough> Tekk_, you downloaded a hybrid i gather?[00:54:27] <Tekk_> ah[00:54:31] <Tekk_> good point[00:54:38] <umccullough> double the libs, double the gcc toolchains[00:55:01] <Tekk_> yeah, any way to convert gcc4h2 to gcc4?[00:55:08] <Tekk_> I don't plan on running too many legacy be apps :P[00:55:12] <umccullough> <shrug>[00:55:20] <umccullough> you can probably just delete the /boot/common/libs/gcc4[00:55:23] <umccullough> er[00:55:23] <mmadia> what about BePDF? WonderBrush?[00:55:26] <umccullough> libs/gcc2[00:55:44] <Tekk_> mmadia they're linked against 2 in the 4 hybrid? O.o[00:55:45] <umccullough> bepdf doesn't have a gcc4 flavor yet?[00:55:59] <umccullough> Tekk_, wonderbrush depends on a closed source beos lib[00:56:04] <umccullough> it's stuck in gcc2 land[00:56:07] <mmadia> no. there was some odd build system issues with BePDF in Haiku[00:56:09] <Tekk_> I can live without that one[00:56:11] <umccullough> liblayout.so[00:56:18] <Tekk_> bepdf should be doable without too[00:56:18] <umccullough> mmadia, interesting...[00:56:24] <mmadia> so, it was actually built from R5 iirc.[00:56:33] <umccullough> sounds like that needs some attention[00:57:02] <tiffany352> I love haiku's vector format[00:57:06] <umccullough> as for wonderbrush, i thought stippi was converting it to our layout kit[00:57:12] <umccullough> guess he didn't get far?[00:57:12] <tiffany352> I'll probably use it for vector graphics in my engine[00:58:20] <umccullough> tiffany352, i think there's some technical docs on the format somewhere[00:58:27] <augiedoggie> curl does support gopher[00:58:35] <umccullough> oh? hmm[00:58:39] <umccullough> it also supports ftp[00:58:48] <umccullough> i wonder how hard it would be to add those[00:59:03] <tiffany352> I love how webpositive loads pages so fast xP[00:59:11] <umccullough> sarcasm?[00:59:19] <tiffany352> no[00:59:37] <umccullough> ok, cuz loading something like gmail takes forever :)[00:59:48] <umccullough> all that javascript in the background i guess[00:59:51] <mmadia> umccullough : even in standard html?[00:59:52] <umccullough> and shitty caching[00:59:57] <umccullough> mmadia, dunno, haven't tried[01:00:08] <tiffany352> although, sometimes it decides to stop working[01:00:09] <umccullough> but regular gmail is way slower in web+ then chrome/firefox[01:00:15] <tiffany352> and it won't load pages until I close and restart it[01:00:18] <jrabbit> Gaddafi has a greed to a roadmap to a ceasefire.....[01:00:22] <tiffany352> and it also crashes when I try using mibbit[01:00:33] <umccullough> heh[01:00:43] <umccullough> web+ has its own bug tracker, btw[01:00:55] <umccullough> http://webpositive.haiku-os.org/[01:02:01] <umccullough> oh wow, HVIF has its own wikipedia entry[01:02:03] <umccullough> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_Vector_Icon_Format[01:02:06] <umccullough> that's neat :)[01:02:21] <tiffany352> yeah I saw that :P[01:02:36] <tiffany352> Is tar human readable? :P[01:03:04] <Tekk_> hmm[01:03:11] <Tekk_> that doesn't seem to be the issue[01:03:34] <Tekk_> it only saved me about 70 MB removing everything that showed up in an ls -R | grep gcc[01:03:36] <Tekk_> gcc2*[01:03:58] <jrabbit> Tekk_: GCC4 only is alot smaller in the nightlies[01:04:08] <Tekk_> jrabbit I'm using a nightly[01:04:12] <mmadia> check the swap file, Tekk_.[01:04:20] <mmadia> it defaults to 2*RAM[01:04:27] <Tekk_> ah[01:04:32] <Tekk_> that sounds about right ;P[01:04:55] <Tekk_> how do I resize it?[01:05:09] <mmadia> Preferences --> VirtualMemory[01:05:16] <jrabbit> aha[01:05:30] <Tekk_> virtual memory not enabled O.o[01:05:40] <umccullough> Tekk_, /check /boot/develop/tools[01:05:44] <mmadia> yeah, there may be a ticket about that.[01:06:05] <augiedoggie> it still creates a swap file even when it's disabled[01:06:19] <umccullough> yeah, stupid swapfile[01:06:27] <Tekk_> okay, so enable, make much smaller, restart?[01:06:39] <mmadia> and file ticket ;)[01:06:44] <umccullough> indeed[01:06:48] <Tekk_> alright[01:06:52] * Tekk_ crosses his fingers[01:06:57] <umccullough> also, don't forget to check /boot/develop/tools - you'll find a gcc4 toolchain there[01:07:06] <umccullough> er, gcc2[01:07:07] <umccullough> my bad[01:07:12] <umccullough> i keep thinking you're on gcc2hybrid[01:07:18] <Tekk_> umccullough I was clean[01:07:24] <Tekk_> everything was gcc4[01:07:28] <umccullough> oho[01:07:31] <umccullough> aha i mean :)[01:07:35] <umccullough> damn beer, already getting to me[01:07:47] <Tekk_> also gotta file a report about not shutting down :P[01:07:55] <Tekk_> it freezes on asking other processes to quit[01:08:03] *** Tekk_ has quit IRC[01:09:18] *** Tilduke has quit IRC[01:09:40] *** Tekk_ has joined #haiku[01:09:41] <Tekk_> worked[01:09:57] <Tekk_> alright, so that I don't forget: sound not working, freeze on shutdown, swap[01:12:06] <umccullough> hmm... it freezes while asking processes to quit?[01:12:10] <umccullough> that's bizarre[01:12:39] <umccullough> some of my machines freeze when it gets to the black screen and doesn't turn off/reboot - which turns out to be some kind of ACPI issue[01:12:47] <augiedoggie> my laptop does it while restarting, but not during shutdown[01:13:22] <Tekk_> ah, I haven't tried shutdown yet[01:13:24] <Tekk_> maybe that's the thing[01:13:47] <umccullough> sadly, it used to work[01:13:53] <umccullough> on my netbook, and now it doesn't[01:14:11] <umccullough> but that may have been prior to acpi being enabled by default[01:22:58] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[01:26:22] <tiffany352> Has anyone compiled code::blocks on haiku?[01:27:02] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[01:27:09] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[01:27:42] <Tekk_> :/[01:27:46] <Tekk_> where's the bug tracker?[01:27:52] <augiedoggie> in the topic[01:28:32] <js> is there any way to get zeta applications running?[01:28:40] <js> i.e. get libzeta.so from somewhere?[01:28:46] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[01:31:22] *** ec|detached is now known as elliottcable[01:31:58] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has quit IRC[01:32:06] <umccullough> js, not likely[01:32:20] <umccullough> libzeta.so isn't the entire puzzle either[01:32:54] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has joined #haiku[01:32:56] <umccullough> and if it was easy, i would expect mmu_man would have done it[01:36:09] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1493 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/smpeg/smpeg-0.4.5.bep: Cleaned up the directories for smpeg.[01:37:22] <Tekk_> is there any way to disable webpositive going fullscreen when you maximize it?[01:42:14] <Tekk_> what shoulid I put blocks, you going for a3 next or straight to beta?[01:42:24] <Tekk_> least I'm pretty sure freeze on attempted reboot would block ;P[01:42:25] <CIA-81> Caya: barrett * r235 /branches/developer/barrett/msn/protocols/yahoo/ (YahooCallbacks.cpp YahooConnection.cpp YahooConnection.h): Callback update finished, the plugin now connect to the server but the login fail[01:42:58] <augiedoggie> have you searched trac yet, I'm pretty sure there is a ticket about it already[01:43:07] <Tekk_> augiedoggie I searched for it, couldn't find anything[01:43:13] <Tekk_> not in the keywords at least[01:45:07] <Tekk_> nope, new bug[01:45:20] <mmadia> keywords aren't used much.[01:45:29] <augiedoggie> possibly http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3868[01:45:31] <mmadia> as far as the field[01:45:31] <augiedoggie> still searching[01:46:07] <Tekk_> agh[01:46:12] <Tekk_> I was looking for freeze, not hang[01:46:52] <augiedoggie> somewhat different http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5880[01:47:19] <augiedoggie> I see a bunch of closed ones that might be candidates for adding a comment too[01:47:23] <Tekk_> second isn't it[01:47:29] <Tekk_> first one looks dead on though[01:48:12] * augiedoggie sick of searching already[01:48:46] <Tekk_> you can stop[01:48:48] <umccullough> yeah, it gets nasty when there are so many :/[01:48:48] <augiedoggie> I never use the ticket search, I always do a generic search and then uncheck the "changes/milestones/wiki" options[01:48:57] <umccullough> augiedoggie, same here[01:49:34] *** Tekk_ has quit IRC[01:50:41] *** bubble_ has joined #haiku[02:00:07] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:00:08] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[02:01:40] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[02:06:38] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:10:27] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:25:28] *** bubble_ has quit IRC[02:31:55] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:50:20] *** Nozy has quit IRC[02:51:46] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[02:54:56] *** backb0ne_ has quit IRC[03:07:14] *** tiffany352 has quit IRC[03:15:35] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:16:41] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1494 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/sdl-mixer/sdl-mixer-1.2.11.bep: Fixed finding aclocal for sdl-mixer.[03:24:27] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:34:40] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[03:36:15] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:55:57] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:59:19] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:07:48] *** kurain has joined #haiku[04:08:53] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:09:27] *** impy has quit IRC[04:11:36] *** fengshaun has joined #haiku[04:30:28] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[04:44:33] *** dancxjo has joined #haiku[04:54:14] *** escoloader has quit IRC[04:58:21] *** backb0ne has quit IRC[05:00:23] *** backb0ne has joined #haiku[05:27:35] *** Barrett has quit IRC[05:27:38] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1495 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/taglib/ (patches patches/taglib-1.7.patch taglib-1.7.bep): Updated taglib to 1.7[05:31:54] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[05:46:20] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1496 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/sdl-mixer/sdl-mixer-1.2.11.bep: Simplify aclocal for sdl-mixer[06:13:04] *** looncraz has quit IRC[06:20:29] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:35:29] <scgtrp> does haiku use an x11-style server/client split for window drawing?[06:37:02] <scgtrp> sounds like that's what app_server does[06:37:04] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[06:40:57] <OmniMancer> scgtrp: its not x11[06:41:07] <OmniMancer> 1) it isn't over the network subsystem[06:41:33] <OmniMancer> it is somewhat alike in vague concept but isn't x11[06:41:37] <scgtrp> i know it doesn't use x11, was more asking about how it worked[06:42:05] <augiedoggie> I think there is a prototype network component in the repo[06:42:19] <augiedoggie> a remote app server thing[06:42:23] <OmniMancer> even then it deals in drawing commands[06:42:27] <OmniMancer> not bitmap blits[06:42:40] <augiedoggie> right[06:46:09] <scgtrp> ... that's odd. i don't see anything here that would make vbox seamless mode work on anything but x11, yet there are screenshots and tutorials all over the internet of people using windows with it[06:47:52] <OmniMancer> scgtrp: what do you mean?[06:48:28] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[06:49:40] <scgtrp> i'm poking around in the vbox source trying to figure out how to do seamless mode for haiku[06:49:51] <scgtrp> the only implementation i can find in here is for x11[06:50:07] <OmniMancer> ah[06:50:22] <OmniMancer> seamless mode on the guest or host side?[06:50:43] <scgtrp> with haiku as the guest[06:51:22] <OmniMancer> ah[06:51:41] <OmniMancer> what does it do?[06:52:10] <scgtrp> nothing, yet. still editing stuff into my gsoc application, haven't written any code yet[06:52:31] <scgtrp> a working implementation shows guest windows on the host's desktop though[06:52:52] <OmniMancer> okay one moment, what is seamless mode?[06:53:00] <augiedoggie> it's a rootless X[06:53:14] <scgtrp> showing guest windows on the host's desktop, basically[06:53:20] <OmniMancer> ah[06:53:53] <scgtrp> http://www.creditlearningcenter.com/images/seamless_screenshot.png[06:54:10] <scgtrp> tbh i don't see the appeal of it, other than 'hey look what i can do!'[06:56:22] <OmniMancer> that is quite possibly using Xming or the code is not in the open source version[06:56:55] <scgtrp> http://www.virtualbox.org/browser/trunk/src/VBox/Additions/x11/VBoxClient << seems to be in the open source version[06:57:16] <dreamed> scgtrp: it can be useful if you're testing something via virtualisation[06:57:19] <OmniMancer> the x11 one[06:57:34] <OmniMancer> whereas the screenshot is of windows[06:57:49] <scgtrp> OmniMancer: page i got it from claims it's windows running on the linux version of vbox[06:57:52] <scgtrp> hm[06:57:55] * scgtrp boots up a windows vm and tries it[06:57:58] <OmniMancer> ah[06:58:04] <OmniMancer> that would make different sense[06:58:47] <scgtrp> it does work[06:58:56] <scgtrp> i'm not entirely sure how it's working, but it works[07:01:22] <OmniMancer> hmmm[07:01:36] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[07:01:38] <OmniMancer> does the windows have guest additions installed?[07:01:57] <scgtrp> 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haiku?[19:28:31] <Tekk_> it really doesn't have the /dev files I'm used to, that I'm aware of ;P[19:29:32] <brobostigon> Tekk_: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/installing/making_haiku_usb_stick[19:30:16] *** elliottcable is now known as ec|detached[19:30:36] <Tekk_> ah nice, I can use installer[19:30:45] <Tekk_> oh wait, that won't work since I purged gcc2 :P[19:30:54] <Tekk_> guess I'll go the dd method[19:33:03] *** Tekk_ has quit IRC[19:33:47] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[19:34:09] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[19:37:00] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[19:38:14] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[19:38:17] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[19:38:21] *** jessica_lilly is now known as Jessica_lily[19:41:58] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[19:47:10] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:49:16] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:53:42] *** Tekk_ has joined #haiku[19:56:02] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[19:59:59] *** _marc` has quit IRC[20:00:38] <augiedoggie> Tekk_: that tar problem is known[20:00:58] <Tekk_> alright[20:01:10] <augiedoggie> it's actually a webpositive problem[20:01:33] <Tekk_> oh yeah, it thinks there's less of a file than there actuallyis?[20:01:37] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41217 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/an/if_an.c: updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:01:45] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41218 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/iwi/ (if_iwi.c if_iwivar.h): updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:01:56] <augiedoggie> it tries to decompress on the fly, so it looks like the file is finished, but it keeps going[20:01:56] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41219 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/malo/ (if_malo.c if_malo_pci.c): updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:02:02] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41220 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/ral/ (rt2560.c rt2560var.h rt2661.c rt2661var.h): updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:02:05] <kallisti5> commiiittt![20:02:07] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41221 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/wpi/ (if_wpi.c if_wpivar.h): updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:02:11] <kallisti5> arrrrr[20:02:14] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41222 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/bwi/ (if_bwi.c if_bwi_pci.c if_bwivar.h): updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:02:18] * kallisti5 drowns in a sea of commits[20:02:21] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41223 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/iwn/ (if_iwn.c if_iwnreg.h if_iwnvar.h): updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:02:25] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41224 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/mwl/ (if_mwl.c if_mwl_pci.c): updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:02:29] * HeTo eats CIA-81[20:02:31] * CIA-81 tastes crunchy[20:02:34] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41225 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/current/dev/wi/if_wi.c: updating to FreeBSD 8.2 release[20:02:53] <kallisti5> lol[20:03:06] <HeTo> it's talking from my stomach[20:03:09] <kallisti5> CIA-81, i didn't know you were that smart[20:03:20] * kallisti5 eats CIA-81[20:03:21] * CIA-81 tastes crunchy[20:03:23] <kallisti5> hmm[20:03:34] * kallisti5 kicks CIA-81[20:03:34] <CIA-81> ow[20:03:37] <kallisti5> lol[20:03:48] * kallisti5 slaps CIA-81[20:04:00] <kallisti5> aww[20:04:03] <Tekk_> oh yeah, really qucikly how do I check my hardware in haiku?[20:04:06] * Tekk_ punches CIA-81[20:04:13] <Tekk_> they've gotta expand his reactions :/[20:04:20] * kallisti5 sexes up CIA-81[20:04:24] * Alam_Squeeze hugs CIA-81[20:04:25] * CIA-81 hugs Alam_Squeeze[20:04:28] <kallisti5> aww[20:04:31] <kallisti5> thats special[20:04:43] <kallisti5> Tekk_: check your hardware?[20:04:57] <Tekk_> kallisti5 yeah, I have no audio and I'd like to file a bug report about it[20:05:03] <Tekk_> and you don't seem to have lspci :p[20:05:05] <kallisti5> Tekk_: there is a devices applet[20:05:08] <kallisti5> or listpci[20:05:16] <Tekk_> ah, listpci is probably good[20:05:19] <CIA-81> Haiku: korli * r41226 /haiku/vendor/freebsd/RELEASE_8_2_0/ (. dev/): FreeBSD 8.2.0 vendor[20:05:21] <kallisti5> err[20:05:22] <kallisti5> listdev[20:05:31] <Tekk_> yeah, got it on the tab complete[20:05:58] *** yourpalal has joined 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FreeBSD 8.2.0[21:06:05] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[21:07:02] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[21:07:31] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:07:57] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[21:08:07] *** impy has joined #haiku[21:08:42] *** impy has joined #haiku[21:19:44] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[21:31:40] *** bjw is now known as ecky[21:32:02] *** ecky is now known as dabeej[21:32:04] *** dabeej is now known as bjw[21:32:46] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has quit IRC[21:39:45] *** [1]vooshy has joined #haiku[21:40:55] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[21:41:10] *** vooshy has quit IRC[21:41:10] *** [1]vooshy is now known as vooshy[21:41:23] *** tiffany352 has joined #haiku[21:41:31] <tiffany352> I found vision :P[21:41:52] <tiffany352> and ssh[21:41:55] <yourpalal> tiffany352: Did you get your virtualbox problems sorted?[21:42:03] <tiffany352> I'm not using virtualbox xP[21:42:10] <tiffany352> virtualbox = slow[21:42:59] <augiedoggie> it's reasonably fast for me, although the linux version is noticably slower than the windows one[21:43:44] <yourpalal> it works well for me too, on CPUs with virtualization capabilities, at least[21:46:51] <tiffany352> I think I may switch to haiku as my primary OS... I just have to get codeblocks and a more CSS loving browser[21:47:38] <yourpalal> are you using WebPositive?[21:48:34] <tiffany352> ... no flash will suck :s[21:49:08] <vooshy> tiffany352: bezillabrowser has flash(gnash) and much love for css[21:53:13] *** tiffany352 has quit IRC[21:54:17] <pulkomandy> and there are a lot of IDE for developping[21:54:22] *** tiffany352 has joined #haiku[21:54:32] <tiffany352> Is it me or is haiku randomly disconnecting things?[21:55:03] *** mmadia has quit IRC[21:56:29] *** tiffany352 has quit IRC[22:00:30] *** dreamed has quit IRC[22:00:30] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:00:53] *** bubble_ has quit IRC[22:03:21] *** negusnyul has quit IRC[22:03:53] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[22:04:46] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[22:05:07] *** Geoz has quit IRC[22:06:01] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[22:06:16] *** dreamed has joined #haiku[22:07:25] *** tiffany352 has joined #haiku[22:07:46] <tiffany352> I just had to boot up ubuntu, the networking for haiku keeps giving out for whatever reason[22:07:57] <tiffany352> I thought it was isolated to webpositive, but it's the whole OS :/[22:08:35] *** dru_ has quit IRC[22:09:17] <vooshy> tiffany352: probably worth filing a bug as i know people have been online for days on haiku with no drops[22:09:27] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[22:10:40] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[22:10:55] <tiffany352> weird[22:11:31] <vooshy> it may be corruption in your driver - or could be a break in the haiku code[22:11:34] <tiffany352> *is lazy, doesn't feel like registering an account*[22:11:43] <augiedoggie> you should search for existing tickets before filing a new one, I've seen tickets about network drops[22:12:07] <augiedoggie> certain wifi setups, people with dd-wrt routers, etc...[22:17:59] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[22:18:37] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[22:21:52] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:22:51] <jrabbit> vooshy: isn't bezilla like firefox 2.0.0 based?[22:23:11] * jrabbit is really suprised no one has used tenfourfox for haiku[22:23:43] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[22:24:21] <vooshy> jrabbit: it is based on ff 2.x[22:24:28] <jrabbit> ick![22:24:48] <jrabbit> Arora is probably the best route for now if you want modern features :\[22:25:07] <vooshy> arora doesnt have features[22:25:56] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[22:25:58] <jrabbit> userscripts, adblocking, html5, [good] javascript support[22:26:16] <jrabbit> pretty much equivalent to chrome just less polished[22:26:50] <tiffany352> I am very, very bad at searching on this thing[22:26:53] <tiffany352> :|[22:27:18] <looncraz> Was there a freenode outage last night, or was that jus my craptastic internet?[22:27:27] *** fengshaun has joined #haiku[22:27:28] <augiedoggie> the trac ticket search? it sucks, I use the generic search[22:28:06] <tiffany352> looncraz: I had problems loading the site yesterday[22:29:36] <looncraz> tiffany352 awesome! I hate it when I'm alone![22:29:36] * looncraz feel's all cozy and warm[22:30:04] <tiffany352> o.o[22:31:39] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[22:32:04] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[22:34:15] <AlienSoldier> stpere: Un evennement interessant pour montrer Haiku (R1 devrait etre pres en 2014) http://argent.canoe.ca/lca/affaires/quebec/archives/2011/04/20110411-120814.html[22:36:24] <tiffany352> I thought this channel was in engrish?[22:36:45] <vooshy> i prefer english :)[22:36:55] <tiffany352> I use british english[22:37:05] <tiffany352> unless my dictionary tries correcting to an americanese word :|[22:37:23] <NeonLicht> Engrish, Flench, Sfanish, Ifalian, or whafeber serves us to commuficafe.[22:37:41] <tiffany352> japawese[22:38:00] <stpere> Cool! :D[22:39:56] <AlienSoldier> tiffany352: i and stpere are in a french getto[22:40:15] <tiffany352> :o?[22:40:32] <AlienSoldier> tiffany352 quebec[22:40:59] <tiffany352> :s[22:41:18] *** amo3 has quit IRC[22:44:37] <Barrett> http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8513/yahooworking.png[22:45:17] <stpere> AlienSoldier: french getto :P haha[22:45:27] <stpere> bbl[22:48:13] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[22:50:35] *** helfujitsu has joined #haiku[22:51:07] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:52:49] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[22:57:21] <Ingenu> people know linux distros around here ?[22:58:16] <Ingenu> I'm looking for a user friendly version working on an Athlon XP 2000+ with 512MB[22:59:16] <scgtrp> the obvious answer here would be 'install haiku'[22:59:26] <NeonLicht> Haiku, Ingenu.[23:00:07] <scgtrp> the standard answer if you really want linux would be ubuntu, i'd go for debian myself[23:00:15] <NeonLicht> But Debian GNU/Linux would run nicely too. As would Puppy Linux, or Damn Small Linux.[23:00:26] <NeonLicht> Ubuntu would suck on 512MB RAM.[23:00:35] <scgtrp> i said standard answer, not good answer ;)[23:00:50] <NeonLicht> Well, it would on 64GB too, for that matter.[23:00:54] <scgtrp> heh[23:01:01] <yourpalal> If you must use linux, try crunchbang, it's quite quick: http://crunchbanglinux.org/[23:01:28] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[23:01:54] <Ingenu> Haiku doesn't recognise the hardware[23:01:57] <Ingenu> already tried ^^[23:02:06] <Ingenu> network chip[23:02:29] <scgtrp> which?[23:02:42] <Ingenu> tried a nightly from a couple days ago[23:02:44] <Ingenu> and Alpha 2[23:02:47] <scgtrp> which net card, i mean[23:02:57] <tiffany352> no, it does[23:02:59] <tiffany352> the connection works[23:03:01] <Ingenu> integrated, on ASUS K7V[23:03:02] <tiffany352> but then it cuts out[23:03:07] <tiffany352> and I have to reconnect[23:03:07] <Ingenu> don't remember more than that[23:03:10] <tiffany352> to everything[23:03:32] <NeonLicht> It's terrible what distributions like Ubuntu and CrunchBang are doing to Linux in general (making people think Linux is so bad) and to Debian GNU/Linux in particular (making them think it's as horrible as they are, calling themseves Debian or Debian derivatives).[23:04:07] <yourpalal> NeonLicht: what have you got against CrunchBang?[23:04:18] <tiffany352> Ubuntu's job is to make itself appear like windows[23:04:21] <NeonLicht> s/themseves/themselves/[23:04:24] <tiffany352> so they'll have an easy transition[23:04:26] <tiffany352> I think[23:04:32] <tiffany352> because it acts like it[23:04:34] <augiedoggie> tiffany352: you could try switching to static IP addressing[23:04:42] <tiffany352> My router doesn't support that[23:04:46] <tiffany352> and what good would that do?[23:04:53] <scgtrp> NeonLicht: *shrug* if people want to run windows, i'm fine with that. i don't see a point in making everyone run the same os as me[23:05:03] <augiedoggie> becuase it sounds like the ticket where dhcp renews aren't handled properly[23:05:24] <NeonLicht> Oh, tiffany352, I see, that's why it needs rebooting every few hours and things stop working unexpectedly (well, expectedlly, really :-)[23:05:43] <NeonLicht> scgtrp, I fully agree with you.[23:05:47] <tiffany352> The problem I have with windows users is that they don't realise that linux OSes != hacking[23:06:10] *** vooshy has quit IRC[23:06:14] <tiffany352> neon: The networking resets and breaks all connections every ~30 seconds[23:06:26] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:07:01] <NeonLicht> What networking, tiffany352?[23:07:23] <tiffany352> as in, IRC connections, downloads, etc[23:07:26] <scgtrp> NeonLicht: those who can't figure out how to install debian are better off not using debian, imo. my only real problem with ubuntu's existence is the number of people who use it as a synonym for linux[23:07:39] <tiffany352> linux is a kernel[23:07:48] <Ingenu> BeOS >>> *[23:07:53] <Ingenu> nuf said ![23:07:56] <tiffany352> but I still use it as a general term for OSes using it[23:07:58] <scgtrp> i am aware of that, there are still a disturbing number of people who think ubuntu is a fancy sounding word for linux[23:08:16] <tiffany352> and I've never tried beos before, haiku is my first *nix experience outside linux[23:08:19] <NeonLicht> That's exactly my point, scgtrp, and also as a synonym for Debian GNU/Linux.[23:08:25] <tiffany352> well... unless you count sdf.org[23:08:29] <scgtrp> i've not seen that, but that would be annoying as well[23:12:50] *** ec|detached is now known as elliottcable[23:13:31] <looncraz> well.. I'm off to do more testing...[23:13:31] *** looncraz has quit IRC[23:17:04] <stpere> AlienSoldier: but seriously, yes, it would be need to have a kiosk there[23:18:27] <stpere> need/nice[23:19:01] <stpere> (brain fart)[23:19:19] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[23:22:14] <AlienSoldier> stpere if you want to be there in 2014, just mesage me, i would be happy to join[23:24:19] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:24:36] *** _marc` has quit IRC[23:25:18] <tiffany352> uhh, how old is haiku?[23:25:31] <augiedoggie> 10[23:25:40] <NeonLicht> 10 and something?[23:25:46] <tiffany352> 10 years old? o.o[23:25:51] <NeonLicht> Yes.[23:26:19] <NeonLicht> Well, it depends when you start counting, of course. If you start from 1.0... :D[23:26:37] <augiedoggie> then it's -10[23:26:46] <augiedoggie> by the rate things are going[23:27:09] <tiffany352> o.o[23:27:26] <NeonLicht> Nice eyes, tiffany352! :D[23:27:50] <tiffany352> :P[23:28:25] <NeonLicht> Mmmmhhhh... beautiful tongue too.[23:28:43] <tiffany352> ^o.o^[23:28:56] <CIA-81> Caya: barrett * r236 /branches/developer/barrett/msn/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Cleanup, removed old code, fixed login problem..the plugin is able to chat.[23:29:10] <NeonLicht> Sweet ears! :D[23:31:53] <tiffany352> mew :d[23:34:37] <NeonLicht> Nice smile.[23:35:17] <tiffany352> that was another tonguefaic :P[23:36:37] <NeonLicht> tonguefaic is not in my dictionary :([23:37:12] * NeonLicht checks the Cambridge Advanced Learners Dictionary online too, and it's not there either :([23:37:36] <HeTo> a lolcat dictionary might work better[23:41:11] <tiffany352> :x[23:42:02] <NeonLicht> Interesting teeth.[23:42:14] <tiffany352> x_X[23:42:16] <tiffany352> x_x*[23:42:47] *** auronandace has quit IRC[23:42:53] <NeonLicht> You really like compliments, don't you? :D[23:43:40] <dreamed> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons go for gold[23:44:08] <tiffany352> neon is silly :D[23:45:01] <NeonLicht> Sound laugh, tiffany352! :D[23:45:29] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:46:50] *** Stellar has quit IRC[23:48:53] <brianb_>[23:48:53] *** brianb_ has left #haiku[23:49:58] *** DrHouse|Hyperion has quit IRC[23:51:10] *** brianb_ has joined #haiku[23:52:45] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[23:57:04] <Ingenu> see you people[23:57:52] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:57:54] *** Ingenu has quit IRC