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[00:16:55] <CIA-81> Haiku: humdinger * r41209 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (454 files in 114 dirs): Update of all catkeys from HTA (besides ru and uk, which refuse to be downloaded at the moment...)
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[01:15:38] <CIA-81> Caya: barrett * r234 /branches/developer/barrett/msn/protocols/yahoo/ (Jamfile Yahoo.cpp YahooCallbacks.cpp): updating the plugin's code to use the latest version of libyahoo2, experimental nothing working atm.
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[01:52:31] <tiffany352> Hi, uhm, I've been trying to install haiku in virtualbox and have failed 4 times...
[01:53:15] <tiffany352> the first time it dropped me into kdebug, the second it went to a black screen, the third it gave some error about files already being there (I wiped the drive I was installing to after that), then the fourth I got the black screen again.
[01:53:27] <tiffany352> I've left it on that black screen for about 3 hours and got nothing from it
[01:54:47] <tiffany352> .... hello?
[01:55:26] <yourpalal> Hi tiffany352, what size of disk are you installing to
[01:55:33] <tiffany352> 10 gb
[01:55:39] <yourpalal> ah, that should work...
[01:56:38] <yourpalal> I haven't ever done an install in virtualbox, so I'm probably not much help here :S
[01:58:01] <tiffany352> It's supposed to be basically a computer emulator
[01:58:11] <tiffany352> You can set up virtual harddisks and such
[01:58:28] <tiffany352> Of course, the livedisk works fine, I just can't install it...
[01:58:39] <yourpalal> right, I use virtualbox often, but normally in live mode
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[01:59:26] <tiffany352> I kind of wonder if I'll get these kinds of problems if I try installing it on my actual HDD
[01:59:54] <yourpalal> Native installs work quite well, generally. I've never had a problem, at least
[02:02:41] <yourpalal> tiffany352, for now, if you want, you can file a ticket on dev.haiku-os.org, and someone may be able to help you from there
[02:03:22] <tiffany352> Here's the weird error I got on the first try: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14976240/Images/kernelpanic.png
[02:06:41] <yourpalal> hmm, again, I'm afraid I can't be of much help here. Your best bet is to make a ticket, and attach that file.
[02:07:03] <yourpalal> Good luck, I'm going for dinner now
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[02:14:27] <tiffany352> uh, how much space should I partition if I want to install haiku on my _real_ hdd?
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[02:19:38] <tiffany352> ... can haiku mount ext4?
[02:20:16] <Barrett> tiffany352, 600 / 700 mb at least
[02:20:26] <Barrett> i think ext3 yes
[02:20:38] <Barrett> ext4 dunno
[02:21:35] <mmadia> this would be a good place to check ,  http://dev.haiku-os.org/log/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems
[02:21:47] <tiffany352> I'll just format it for 20 gb and see where that goes
[02:22:00] <tiffany352> and if it can mount ext4, then I can just borrow from my Ubuntu partition
[02:22:06] <tiffany352> which I made rather big (97 gb)
[02:22:12] <tiffany352> 93*
[02:22:35] <mmadia> it'd be wise to do write tests on a smaller, non-critical partition first.
[02:22:48] <mmadia> ... don't want things to go boom.
[02:23:00] <tiffany352> it's not really critical
[02:23:02] <tiffany352> it's just a partition
[02:23:19] <tiffany352> and if I want I can mount my main drive and get files and stuff...
[02:26:26] <mmadia> btw, that kernel panic looks like it'd be a good ticket tiffany352 ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14976240/Images/kernelpanic.png )
[02:27:02] <mmadia> it didn't re-use the data from the free version though.
[02:27:20] <augiedoggie> um, wrong chan?
[02:27:32] <mmadia> no, echelog
[02:27:44] <mmadia> "[02:03:22]" on http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1302386400
[02:28:23] <mmadia> oh, yeah... that second comment was the wrong chan :)
[02:31:00] <Sneryu_user> tiffany aside from media most all of the vailable software can fit inside of 30gb
[02:32:02] <tiffany352> that's kind of small, isn't it?
[02:32:39] <Sneryu_user> well, apps tend to be pretty small if they are native becuase the api is pretty rich, not alot of bloat either. theres on windows manager, gui etc.
[02:32:52] <Sneryu_user> no huge drivers etc
[02:33:09] <Sneryu_user> I imagine as time progress's however haiku will gain some size
[02:33:34] <tiffany352> I've been wondering, haiku is listed as non-posix on wikipedia...
[02:33:44] <tiffany352> but the filesystem structure initially looks very posix
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[02:36:36] <Senryu_user1> anyone else getting lockups, GDB kernel panics while compiling ?
[02:37:07] <mmadia> the posix compliance isn't 100%, but it's far, far more compliant than BeOS.
[02:37:33] <Senryu_user1> so haiku is not posix "conformant"
[02:37:51] <tiffany352> well, what's an example of a big difference?
[02:38:57] <mmadia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX-oriented_operating_systems
[02:39:30] <mmadia> and at the moment, Haiku's goal isn't to be 100% posix conformant.
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[02:39:45] <mmadia> for one, Haiku supports pthreads, where BeOS didnt.
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[04:07:13] <CIA-81> Haiku: scottmc * r41210 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Fixed url to gcc4 lua OptionalPackage. Discovered by MichaelPeppers.
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[12:30:12] <ripclaw_> good morning !
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[16:15:42] <js> I have a powerbook G4 and am interesting in running Haiku on it and even helping with the PPC port. how/where would I start?
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[16:28:58] <kurain>  /join #haiku-cn
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[16:35:33] <js> kurain: nobody besides you there
[16:36:48] <kurain> hehe
[16:37:25] <kurain> hmmm, I am just the one
[16:37:29] <kurain> :)
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[16:39:16] <kurain> hello Mikoar
[16:39:23] <Mikoar> hello
[16:39:46] <kurain> Nice to see you here
[16:39:52] <Mikoar> I am waiting for time, that haiku will support apache+php
[16:40:22] <kurain> it will be a long time
[16:40:27] <kurain> ;)
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[16:46:55] <js> Mikoar: for what? oO
[16:47:00] <js> besides, it does
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[17:17:30] <bbjimmy> Mikoar: try  araneum and php ... works fine.
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[17:46:05] <js> btw, why is bash the default shell? it's GPL and even ZSH has better compatibility to bash2 (which was in BeOS) than Bash 4
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[17:47:17] <kurain> js, I have no idea about that
[17:47:43] <js> ZSH is MIT license, is way better as an interactive shell and has higher compatibility. I think it would be a better default shell
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[17:55:54] <jrabbit> is zsh an optional package yet?
[17:56:08] <js> it's in haikuporter
[17:56:15] <js> but I think it'd be really nice to have it in base a default shell
[17:56:30] <jrabbit> js: I don't think you can get away with not having bash, besides zsh has a pretty steep learning curve no?
[17:56:41] <js> I had scripts in the base that would not run with bash3/4, but zsh, which were designed for bash2
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[17:57:04] <js> jrabbit: actually, you won't notice any difference if you try to use zsh like you did with bash2
[17:57:14] <jrabbit> I didn't think it supproted bashism.
[17:57:20] <js> it does
[17:57:21] <js> funny thing is
[17:57:23] <jrabbit> js: I never used bash2 norb BeOS :P
[17:57:31] <js> zsh is more compatible to bash2 than bash3 or bash4 is
[17:57:40] <js> I had scripts trying to run using /bin/bash
[17:57:43] <js> which were designed for bash2
[17:57:47] <js> and would fail since I had bash4
[17:57:52] <js> I changed it to /bin/zsh and it worked :)
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[18:01:05] <jrabbit> Attesting to the sheer size of this shell is the famous first sentence of the shell's manual page, which reads "Because zsh contains many features, the zsh manual has been split into a number of sections", and then goes on to list seventeen items.
[18:01:05] <jrabbit> ಠ_ಠ
[18:01:05] <js> yeah, but it's still smaller than bash :D
[18:01:06] <js> jrabbit: most of the features are in modules anyway
[18:01:06] <js> which have to be loaded manually
[18:01:43] <jrabbit> yay look of disapproval again
[18:01:58] <js> ?
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[18:04:47] <jrabbit> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/%E0%B2%A0%E0%B2%A0-look-of-disapproval
[18:04:47] <js> ah, ok, this looked really strange in my terminal
[18:04:47] <js> and also does in the title bar of my browser
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[18:05:27] <jrabbit> http://web.nickshanks.com/fonts/kannada/
[18:05:37] <jrabbit> its on windows by default for some insane reason
[18:05:44] <js> OS X here
[18:06:48] <js> wait
[18:06:53] <js> I'll upload a screenshot
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[18:07:20] <jrabbit> its not a latin character.
[18:07:28] <jrabbit> you need that font to see it in osx
[18:07:31] <js> it DOES display iy
[18:07:34] <js> but differently
[18:07:53] <js> http://img696.imageshack.us/i/disapprovalosx.png/
[18:08:02] <jrabbit> oh yeah
[18:08:09] <jrabbit> thats kina wrong
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[18:08:42] <jrabbit> Weird that it attempts to then puts it in a box
[18:09:04] <js> numbers in a box would be ok
[18:09:07] <js> but weird signs in a box?
[18:09:26] <HeTo> it tells what script it is in I think
[18:09:58] <jrabbit> probably
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[18:11:21] <HeTo> they figured if you can read the language you probably have a font installed for it too, and if you can't, you're going to be helped more by displaying a character from the script in a box (so you know what the script is) than if you are shown hexadecimal numbers which look pretty much random to most
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[18:12:41] <HeTo> well, even if you can read the language and don't have a font for it installed, you'll get more out of knowing that it is written in a script you understand but which the computer can't display than if you are just shown Unicode code points as I don't think most people have memorised many of them
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[18:13:04] <js> well
[18:13:07] <js> if you are missing only a few chars
[18:13:14] <js> you know which one is which after some while
[18:13:23] <js> and can identify them by the unicode position then
[18:14:21] <HeTo> but that's not usually the case
[18:14:32] <js> for me it is :)
[18:14:56] <js> for example, the uppercase ß is in no font yet
[18:14:59] <js> so it's only one single codepoint I'd need to remember
[18:15:04] <js> now let's assume there is another char I can't see
[18:15:11] <js> then I know by the codepoints which one is which
[18:15:24] <js> but if it just shows me the language, it won't help
[18:16:29] <HeTo> is that shown as an A in a box?
[18:16:40] <js> which one?
[18:17:21] <js> the uppercase ß? Haven't seen one yet
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[18:21:29] <jrabbit> No macs come with alot of language support fonts, just not this indic script that reddit likes
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[18:26:50] <HeTo> so clearly for real-world usage showing the script rather than the code point is better
[18:26:51] <js> not really
[18:26:51] <js> if I'm missing chars which are used often
[18:26:51] <js> I want to be able to distinguish between them
[18:26:51] <HeTo> yes but why would you be missing characters which are used often?
[18:26:51] <HeTo> as you said that you haven't seen the one character you could think of anywhere
[18:26:51] <js> HeTo: because now, nobody uses the uppercase ß yet
[18:26:51] <js> but once windows has it for example
[18:26:51] <js> everybody will use it
[18:26:51] <js> and I guess in other languages it are more
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[18:26:52] <HeTo> note that Windows users aren't that quick to upgrade, so unless it's given as a free, automatically installed update to older versions of Windows as well, it will take a few years before most people start using it
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[18:26:52] <HeTo> even those that are on newer versions because they don't want the text to display as rubbish on older versions
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[18:26:52] <HeTo> and since it isn't in Windows now, there's plenty of time for it to make it to other OSes
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[18:26:53] <js> yeah well but some macs are stuck on an OS X version
[18:26:53] <js> like PPC Macs
[18:26:53] <jrabbit> 'Jon Kyl: When I said 90% of what Planned Parenthood did was abortion "it was not intended to be a factual statement." (economistsview.typepad.com)
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[18:51:20] <js> hm, who was it with whom I had the discussion about changing TERM in haikus terminal?
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[18:51:37] <js> I think I found something we can safely set it to which seems to be available everywhere: color_xterm
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[18:55:35] <HeTo> I wonder where you tried it, it doesn't seem to be available on FreeBSD 8.1, Solaris 10 or Ubuntu 10.10
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[18:56:29] <HeTo> for curiousity, it doesn't seem to be available on Tru64, either
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[18:59:57] <js> HeTo: it works on Haiku, NetBSD, OS X, etc.
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[19:03:27] <js> hm
[19:03:40] <js> xterm-color still seems to be the best fit
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[19:23:03] <Rennon> Hey, I'm trying to load a Haiku
[19:23:06] <Rennon> onto a USB
[19:23:16] <Rennon> from Linux, but am not sure how to go about it
[19:24:34] <brobostigon> Rennon: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/installing/making_haiku_usb_stick
[19:25:16] <Rennon> yeah I'm following that but it says the directory does
[19:25:20] <Rennon> n't exist
[19:25:30] <Rennon> (...sensitive enter key)
[19:26:15] <Rennon> I type in this - dd if=home/oren/haiku-anyboot.image of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[19:26:49] <scgtrp> missing a / there?
[19:26:53] <scgtrp> (in front of home)
[19:27:08] <Rennon> hmm I'll try again
[19:27:37] <Rennon> same
[19:27:44] <scgtrp> and that is where your image is? :P
[19:27:53] <Rennon> of course :-P
[19:28:23] <Rennon> hmm actually
[19:28:30] <Rennon> I just realized something
[19:28:40] <Rennon> I'm a bit silly, the file name is slightly different
[19:28:44] <scgtrp> < Rennon> oh crap, sdb is my hard drive
[19:28:45] <scgtrp> oh
[19:29:37] <mmadia42> scgtrp ?
[19:29:46] <Rennon> wait, what?
[19:29:52] <scgtrp> i'm being silly, ignore me
[19:31:33] <Rennon> hmm now it says permission denied
[19:31:48] <Rennon> I'm the administrator so I don't know why it'd say this
[19:31:54] <scgtrp> ls -l /dev/sdb
[19:32:01] <mmadia42> scgtrp , would you prefer your @gmail.com or @scgtrp.net address?
[19:32:15] <scgtrp> mmadia42: they go to the same place, doesn't matter
[19:32:22] <scgtrp> did i use both of them?
[19:32:25] <mmadia42> thanks.
[19:32:53] <js> Rennon: sdb might be a harddrive if you have two discs
[19:32:55] <mmadia42> yeah, one was displayed by melange and you submitted the other in the application form.
[19:32:59] <scgtrp> ah, oops
[19:33:04] <Rennon> nah, just one
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[19:33:44] <Rennon> what does this mean "brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 2011-04-10 19:50 /dev/sdb"?
[19:34:00] <Rennon> (sorry not too well versed in Linux here)
[19:34:14] <scgtrp> root and anyone in the disk group have read/write access to it, others can't do anything with it
[19:34:43] <Rennon> ahh okay
[19:34:46] <scgtrp> should work if you're root
[19:35:57] <Rennon> does it have to be mounted when I do sudo fdisk -l ?
[19:36:16] <scgtrp> pretty sure nothing on it should be mounted if you're fdisk'ing it
[19:36:31] <scgtrp> ... wait, fdisk -l is list? that should be fine
[19:37:14] <scgtrp> but since you're about to overwrite the partition table i'm not sure how that's relevant
[19:39:43] <Rennon> how do I tell which one is my USB?
[19:39:49] <Rennon> upon fdisk
[19:40:23] <brobostigon> compare df and fdisk -l
[19:40:41] <Rennon> what's df?
[19:40:48] <scgtrp> disk free space
[19:40:57] <Rennon> ahh
[19:41:04] <brobostigon> Rennon: it shows the FS devices and their mountpoints.
[19:41:28] <scgtrp> that too
[19:41:49] <mmu_man> it's the one that disapears when you remove the usb device :p
[19:41:57] <Rennon> ahh okay
[19:41:58] <brobostigon> so aslong as you know the size, you can look up its device reference.
[19:42:15] <brobostigon> also dmesg would be good to look at.
[19:42:59] <Rennon> yeah sdb1 is the one that dissapears
[19:43:16] <brobostigon> Rennon: dd to sdb
[19:43:27] <brobostigon> if that is your usb.
[19:43:38] <Rennon> dd?
[19:43:47] <Rennon> ahh yes
[19:43:50] <Rennon> I did that before
[19:43:54] <Rennon> but it said denied
[19:44:19] <brobostigon> sdb is the device, sdb1 is the partition on that device. always dd to devices.
[19:44:29] <Rennon> alright
[19:44:32] <brobostigon> Rennon: try it with sudo or as root.
[19:44:49] <Rennon> opening `/dev/sdb': Permission denied
[19:44:59] <Rennon> :-(
[19:45:02] <brobostigon> Rennon: try it as root.
[19:45:13] <brobostigon> Rennon: which distro are you on?
[19:45:18] <Rennon> Ubuntu 10.10
[19:45:33] <brobostigon> Rennon: put sudo infront of your dd string,
[19:46:36] <Rennon> ooh doing something
[19:46:49] <scgtrp> ... i assumed that's what you meant when you said you were administrator :P
[19:47:11] <Rennon> haha
[19:47:21] <brobostigon> scgtrp: sudo/gksudo allows you to run stuff as root.
[19:47:27] <js> Rennon: why don't you use your usual OS to get the image on the stick if you are not familiar with linux?
[19:47:28] <scgtrp> brobostigon: i know
[19:47:41] <scgtrp> brobostigon: he said he was administrator, i assumed he had su'd or something
[19:47:41] <Rennon> don't have access to it right now
[19:48:01] <brobostigon> scgtrp: oh, you made it seemas if you didnt, sorry. my misunderstanding.
[19:48:07] <scgtrp> np
[19:48:09] <js> Rennon: ah, you mean you have to use a machine you borrowed?
[19:48:19] <Rennon> yes
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[19:48:57] <Rennon> ahh yes
[19:48:59] <Rennon> I think it worked
[19:49:07] <Rennon> thanks guys :-)
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[19:49:35] <brobostigon> Rennon: fdisk should now say, it has a beos fs on it.
[19:50:03] <Rennon> it does!
[19:50:04] <brobostigon> sudo fdisk -l
[19:50:07] <brobostigon> :)
[19:50:11] <brobostigon> yay
[19:50:20] <Rennon> you rock
[19:50:24] <Rennon> thanks!
[19:50:31] <brobostigon> :)
[19:50:44] <Rennon> now I'm goint to test this
[19:50:48] <Rennon> so long for now dudes
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[19:50:56] <brobostigon> bye Rennon o/
[19:51:01] <scgtrp> have fun!
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[19:57:58] <CIA-81> Haiku: mmadia * r41211 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/FileRules:
[19:57:59] <CIA-81> Patch by Corneliu - Claudiu Prodescu "cprodescu". Ensures that ExtractArchive
[19:57:59] <CIA-81> extracts the files, even when the specified target directory exists.
[19:57:59] <CIA-81> Fixes #7425. Thanks!
[20:01:44] <jrabbit> http://isotope.metafizzy.co/ oh dang thats sweet
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[20:05:39] <Rennon> okay back
[20:05:56] <Rennon> what's the wifi support like on Haiku at this stage?
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[20:08:11] <ripclaw_> rennon: wifi works, wep/wpa is broken.
[20:08:20] <Rennon> ahh
[20:08:40] <Rennon> how do I access wifi?
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[20:21:52] <ripclaw_> mmadia buildHaiku.sh seems to have a bug - it cannot find configure, probably not where it belongs. where should that go in the massive versions setup ?
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[20:25:08] <mmadia> where are you running it from?
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[20:27:26] <ripclaw_> i run it from a fresh directory, it creates all kind of lower level dirs.
[20:27:48] <ripclaw_> it then tries to cd there and configure, but it seems to not work since it won't find configure
[20:28:19] <pulkomandy> aptitude install build-essentials
[20:28:23] <pulkomandy> (adapt to your OS)
[20:28:39] <pulkomandy> unless it's something else :)
[20:29:14] <ripclaw_> pulkomandy i can already build haiku from source on the system, if i do it manually, i just try to figure out an economic way of building multiple builds.
[20:29:48] <pulkomandy> I don't know mmadia's tool really well, actually
[20:29:58] <pulkomandy> let's wait for him :)
[20:30:04] <mmadia> i don't know that one anymore :P
[20:32:57] <ripclaw_> mmadia - where in a multi-build dir setup should configure go... ?
[20:33:44] <mmadia> configure always exists as  haiku/configure.   though, it needs to be run from within each individual generated.xxx directory
[20:34:26] <ripclaw_> ok, when this checks out, configure has to go to haiku/haiku/configure...
[20:34:47] <mmadia> yes.
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[20:35:35] <ripclaw_> whatever it checks out (and it seems to check out something) does not contain configure at that dir.
[20:36:05] <mmadia> how many files are in haiku/haiku/src/data/keymaps ?
[20:36:06] <ripclaw_> but that helps me a lot, the rest should just be debuggin the co command.
[20:36:57] <ripclaw_> how many should be in there ?
[20:37:07] <mmadia> 64.
[20:37:11] <ripclaw_> it is still checking out
[20:37:32] <ripclaw_> but the last two checkouts did not contain the configure.
[20:37:41] 
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[20:38:14] <ripclaw_> mmadia that kind of curiosity sounds strangely irritating... why ?
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[20:38:59] <mmadia> something to do with the encoding of the filename.
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[20:41:08] <ripclaw_> well... it did not check out src at all...
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[20:43:29] <ripclaw_> i have breakpoint after getSource and the co command looks correct. it did check out, but appearantly not what was needed.
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[20:45:41] <mmadia> which URL are you using to checkout?
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[20:47:45] <ripclaw_> http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/haiku haiku/trunk
[20:48:02] <ripclaw_> http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/buildtools buildtools/trunk
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[20:51:10] * mmadia sets up a test environment
[20:54:51] <Ingenu> last time I downloaded Haiku there was no browser
[20:55:00] <Ingenu> is there a trick to get a version with one ?
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[20:55:08] <leszek> hi
[20:55:13] <Ingenu> '
[20:55:16] <mmadia>  installoptionalpackage webpositive
[20:56:26] <Ingenu> so there's not one of the 4 versions with a browser... ?
[20:57:04] <mmadia> correct.  the nightlies contain a build environment and little else.
[20:57:11] <Ingenu> ok ty
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[20:57:26] <Ingenu> you wouldn't know about an alpha 3 release date or something ? ^^
[20:57:37] <leszek> its ready when its ready
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[20:57:53] <Ingenu> Duke Nukem forever will ship before Haiku :p
[20:57:59] <Ingenu> who would have thought
[20:58:01] <Ingenu> ;p
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[20:58:42] <mmadia> i'm not too comfortable being the main pusher for a new release...
[20:59:07] <Ingenu> aren't there milestones planned already ?
[20:59:09] <jrabbit> leszek: when its stable :P
[20:59:19] <ripclaw_> mmadia why pusher for a new release ?
[20:59:31] <Ingenu> I never thought it would take that long for BeOS to be rewritten
[21:00:07] <mmadia> Ingenu : we don't use a timebased release schedule.
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[21:00:21] <CIA-81> wxWidgets Toolkit for Haiku: siarzhuk * r35 /wx/trunk/configure.in: - thread implemenrtation for Haiku was added - remove disable and unneeded -pthreads compile option.
[21:00:24] <ripclaw_> ingenu it is a bunch of code... it would be faster with more coders. and this is not commercial space. its ready when it si ready
[21:00:35] <Ingenu> so there's a feature list for the next milestone somewhere ?
[21:00:42] <jrabbit> Yes on trac.
[21:00:57] <mmadia> ripclaw_ ... i mean, i don't feel comfortable being one of the few people to urge/suggest a new release.
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[21:01:44] <ripclaw_> i can definitely do that, mmadia - i was one of the main release release pestering people at rock... :)
[21:01:47] <jrabbit> Ingenu: try a nightly...
[21:02:21] <ripclaw_> btw. last nightly did not boot on the eeepc... :)
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[21:02:28] <mmadia> at rock?
[21:02:44] <jrabbit> ripclaw_: http://serenity.jrfxmedia.com:8080/
[21:02:45] <jrabbit> :)
[21:02:55] <ripclaw_> rocklinux.org - nothing going on there anymore
[21:03:14] * jrabbit will make a trac ticket attachment field today
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[21:04:15] <ripclaw_> jrabbit: 41207 on eeepc701 4g: booting into whitescreen from gcchybrid4 anyboot
[21:04:49] <ripclaw_> i'll try a new usbstick when i get home, just 4 sure
[21:08:31] <ripclaw_> i think one of the issues is that currently there is no "stabilize for release" pressure. no phases. it is a constant flow, not a change-fix-release cycle.
[21:08:44] <ripclaw_> flow is faster, but gets more cleanup in the end.
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[21:10:40] <mmadia> ripclaw_ ... the script works fine for me in FreeBSD 8 + bash
[21:11:14] <mmadia> http://pastebin.com/beNfC7mU
[21:11:21] <ripclaw_> with new sources ?
[21:11:28] <ripclaw_> sec, checking that
[21:12:39] <jrabbit> ripclaw_: file a bug :3
[21:13:06] * jrabbit goes to hammer out a trac ticket feature
[21:13:49] <ripclaw_> jrabbit it is not an official part of haiku anymore, it is courtesy of mmadia that i can use this script.
[21:13:55] <jrabbit> oh.
[21:14:26] <mmadia> that script was never a part of Haiku ... just some personal bash hackery.
[21:14:28] <ripclaw_> and now i pester him with questions, which is not too nice from me...
[21:14:34] <jrabbit> How is haiku failing on EEEPC not part of haiku? :\
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[21:14:58] <mmadia> B_DIFFERENT_DISCUSSION_POINT  ;)
[21:15:26] <ripclaw_> ok, sorry - did think in script. jrabbit, that needs to be looked at... but i guess thats easily going away with a later rev again.
[21:15:34] <jrabbit> still. :P
[21:15:41] <jrabbit> mmadia: thats what I thought :)
[21:15:51] <ripclaw_> sometimes it is just something wrong with order of patches in nightly, it misses one of a set sometimes.
[21:16:04] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/log/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ps2  -- my guess is the recent ps2 work
[21:16:58] <ripclaw_> mmadia i get 63 entries in keymaps from current.
[21:17:20] 
[21:17:33] <ripclaw_> mmadia i will check that with a newer compile first before reporting. gimme a sec on french keymap
[21:18:26] <ripclaw_> i get a "French(space)(B(e apostrophe)po).keymap".
[21:19:08] <ripclaw_> ls -l pipe wc -l reports 63 this way.
[21:19:38] <mmadia> oh, #64 = ".svn" ?
[21:19:52] <ripclaw_> ok, configure turns up now. bad escaping of vars on my side.
[21:20:37] <ripclaw_> no, .svn is not in this list. i did not ls for stuff starting with .
[21:21:06] <mmadia> ok, looks good then.
[21:22:12] <ripclaw_> still very funny - it says it will configure buildtools, doesnt, then tries to jam, doesnt, empty zips, fail.
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[21:23:55] <ripclaw_> configure log complains about "../../haiku/buildtools/legacy" no such dir.
[21:24:23] <ripclaw_> mainly because there is a ".." too many.
[21:26:14] <jrabbit> mmadia: is it a svn bug? :3
[21:26:23] <ripclaw_> ok... i guess i'll singlestep that part tomorrow.
[21:26:37] <mmadia> what, the keymap checkout issue?
[21:26:43] <jrabbit> Yeah
[21:27:15] <mmadia> i don't even know anymore.  it may be apr/apr-util.
[21:27:43] <ripclaw_> mmadia it may be a "not everybody has unicode" issue...
[21:28:27] <ripclaw_> since i am still on xubuntu 9.10
[21:31:10] <ripclaw_> ok, gotta leave, gettng up early 2morrow.
[21:31:31] <ripclaw_> cu folks, ill fix that script and upload it, after that its to some serious work
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[21:31:56] <Tekk_> what's the disadvantage of gcc4hybrid to gcc4hybrid?
[21:32:06] <Tekk_> shouldn't they be more or less the same?
[21:32:19] <augiedoggie> heh, not much difference between gcc4 and gcc4
[21:32:28] <Tekk_> XD
[21:32:28] <Tekk_> sorry
[21:32:32] <Tekk_> gcc2 vs gcc4
[21:32:37] <Tekk_> since you reccommend gcc2hybrid
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[21:33:26] <mmadia> at the moment, there's no significant performance benefit to running Haiku compiled with gcc4 vs. gcc2.
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[21:39:11] <augiedoggie> with a gcc4hybrid you lose some compatibility with certain BeOS and Haiku software
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[21:42:52] <evil_core> hi all
[21:43:07] <evil_core> what up with package manager?
[21:43:22] <evil_core> and how to mount anyboot images?
[21:45:22] <jrabbit> evil_core: "more magic" and I don't really know what the anyboot images are...
[21:46:25] <jrabbit> evil_core: try loop mounting as an iso
[21:46:38] <jrabbit> looks like its a tripped out iso file
[21:47:54] <umccullough> anyboot is technically a hard disk image with an el-torito block to make it look like iso
[21:48:26] <umccullough> but otherwise it has an MBR/partition table and is a BFS image
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[21:50:31] <umccullough> evil_core, what are you trying to do with the anyboot image precisely?
[21:50:45] <umccullough> if you're trying to boot it, dd to a usb stick, or burn to a cd
[21:51:05] <umccullough> if you're trying to access files on it, it's BFS
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[21:52:18] <evil_core> hmm...so linux bfs driver cannot mount it
[21:52:26] <evil_core> I was wondering about structure
[21:52:58] <evil_core> I have repartitioned all pendrives with correct align and I am making bootable pendrives from them
[21:53:04] <jrabbit> mmadia_: would an ircbot be useful in any aspects whatso ever? :)
[21:53:12] <umccullough> yes
[21:53:17] <umccullough> (for the IRC bot)
[21:53:20] <evil_core> they are FAT32 now with PLD RescueCD, UBCD, SYSRCD, etc
[21:53:27] <umccullough> i've been yearning for a urlbot for some years
[21:53:37] * jrabbit hasn't played with irc since 27c3
[21:54:05] <umccullough> a bot with "catsup" support would be teh sh*t
[21:54:06] <evil_core> I dont like cdroms, I have broken all new releases last week and older one wasnt unable to chroot to new system
[21:54:11] <jrabbit> https://github.com/jrabbit/trbot I got kicked off google's translate :D
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[21:54:16] <jrabbit> umccullough: catsup?
[21:54:22] <mmadia_> the bot would need to reply to people in private though.
[21:54:23] <evil_core> but haiku is anyway probably too big to copy it to RAM
[21:54:36] <umccullough> jrabbit, atrus catsup :)
[21:54:42] <umccullough> (beshare days)
[21:54:46] <evil_core> and anyboot is really only one image?
[21:55:20] <umccullough> anyboot is a raw BFS image faked into a disk with mbr/partition table and el-torito to load the haiku bootloader if burned to a cd
[21:55:31] <umccullough> it's suitable for usb and cd boot, but little else
[21:55:32] <evil_core> not sure about it, but I believe that some omages got two differently running OSes, one as normal rw and second as installer
[21:55:34] <jrabbit> mmadia_: well see yeah I don't know if theres any real use considering theres already a CIA bot and stuff
[21:55:53] <umccullough> evil_core, you wouldn't really wanna use anyboot as an HD image for virtual machines or anything
[21:56:00] <umccullough> raw or vmdk are better for that
[21:56:14] <umccullough> and if you want a *real* cd iso, we have those
[21:56:15] <mmadia_> !flash,  !hybrid,  !bugs, ....
[21:56:24] <umccullough> sorta
[21:56:33] <mmadia_> !donate :]
[21:56:37] <evil_core> I wanted to install from it as fat32 file on machine that got many problems with cdroms
[21:56:52] <umccullough> i don't understand
[21:56:57] <umccullough> haiku can only boot from BFS
[21:57:06] <umccullough> or ISO with overlay
[21:57:12] <jrabbit> evil_core: image it as a bfs drive.
[21:57:31] <jrabbit> evil_core: do you have the option to get the hdd out and install directly to it?
[21:57:41] <umccullough> to make matters worse, the linux befs driver is readonly
[21:57:43] * jrabbit has done that for some machines
[21:58:13] <jrabbit> its a lot easier with a usb -> IDE/SATA/mini-IDE
[21:58:13] <umccullough> and in the linux world, bfs != befs
[21:58:23] <evil_core> yes, I can even burn cd in worst case, I have put 3rd drive in sister's machine last week :P
[21:58:38] <evil_core> bfs brain fuck scheduler, right?
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[21:58:46] <umccullough> bfs is boot filesystem
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[21:58:56] <evil_core> ouch, maybe that was fault :P
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[21:59:54] <evil_core> but what about package manager?
[22:00:05] <umccullough> what package manager?
[22:00:07] <umccullough> :)
[22:00:11] <evil_core> for haiku
[22:00:11] <umccullough> it's WIP
[22:00:13] <jrabbit> mmadia: heh this project is turning into a re-learning exercise for me of the odds and ends of python I haven't touched in a year
[22:00:15] <umccullough> it doesn't exist yet
[22:00:18] <evil_core> but is it in nighties?
[22:00:27] <umccullough> evil_core, there isn't one yet
[22:00:30] <jrabbit> evil_core: all there is atm is haikuporter
[22:00:54] <jrabbit> which is better then nothing but soon there'll be a barebones packagemanger which looks really well thought out
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[22:01:37] <evil_core> sister didnt liked last BeOS because of non-working locales and lack of soft
[22:01:37] <umccullough> "soon" is of course difficult to define
[22:01:53] <umccullough> haiku has pretty decent locale support i guess
[22:02:05] <umccullough> lack of software - really nothing can be done about that :)
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[22:02:28] <evil_core> so I have found some working CD, copied PLD, and it died after kernel upgrade
[22:02:34] <evil_core> yeah I sawe under VM
[22:02:44] <evil_core> but she still has a2
[22:02:47] <jrabbit> umccullough: I'll try and fix that :3
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[22:03:00] <umccullough> haiku needs good native software ;)
[22:03:36] <evil_core> lack of software was that shee didnt liked dosbox console, and 99% of games in menus didnt worked(from installer and synthetic)
[22:03:55] <evil_core> and scummvm hanged was not-localized and hanged randomly
[22:04:14] <evil_core> she's 9yo, dont need CAD ofr even office :P
[22:04:42] <umccullough> games in menus?
[22:04:47] <umccullough> what did you install, beos max?
[22:04:53] <evil_core> I did entries for them
[22:04:57] <umccullough> hmm
[22:05:01] <umccullough> <shrug>
[22:05:19] <evil_core> its the reason we need package manager
[22:05:31] <evil_core> I was hoping its there something now
[22:06:31] <evil_core> as long as Haiku is unusable I would run it under qemu to make packages, I am bored of making rpm spec files
[22:07:22] <jrabbit> evil_core: cool if I get to work on my GSOC project you'll be intrested
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[22:07:59] <jrabbit> evil_core: I've packaged for Fink and have some complaints and worries, so I'm going to pre-emptively make haiku packaging awesome
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[22:12:11] <evil_core> jrabbit: you are the one desiging/iplementing package management for Haiku?
[22:12:32] <jrabbit> Not really. zooey is doing alot of that
[22:12:49] <jrabbit> I'm going to try and make the packaging side of it awesome though
[22:13:13] <jrabbit> the end goal being minimal work in packaging simple software
[22:13:54] <evil_core> not sure of its good idea to make minimal work for packager, spmthing could be out of crontrol :P
[22:15:19] <evil_core> currently packagers have to care mainly about permissions and BR's, because most of R's are grabbed automatically from libs/bins
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[22:17:42] <jrabbit> but like git commits, md5 hashing, etc it'll be a suite of tools for hacking
[22:17:55] <jrabbit> plus a nifty way to test and build binaries
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[22:37:17] <CIA-81> wxWidgets Toolkit for Haiku: siarzhuk * r36 /wx/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): a bit of font support added.
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[23:02:16] <jrabbit> http://serenity.jrfxmedia.com:8080/table as someone reuqested.
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[23:14:00] <Ingenu> gnight peops !
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[23:46:58] <evil_core> is there some stripped down version of haiku with basic tools? (like rescuecd)
[23:47:17] <mmadia> what do you consider basic tools?
[23:51:06] <js> why are almost all manpages missing, even if you install the optional package man?
[23:51:15] <js> it sucks that there is almost no documentation
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[23:51:47] <Tekk_> js but the code IS the documentation ;P
[23:51:51] <mmadia> iirc, the man pages are only bundled with the prebuilt ports packages.
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[23:56:40] <js> Tekk_: but you want to type "man someCfunc" so read on the parameters
[23:56:49] <js> like I usually forget the parameters for some stuff ;)
[23:56:54] <js> like for example select()
[23:57:00] <js> always forget at which place nfds is
[23:57:03] <js> before the sets or after the sets

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