April 6, 2011 
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April 6, 2011 [00:02:40] *** lukove has joined #haiku[00:02:53] *** lukove has quit IRC[00:07:01] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:09:27] <js> oO the Haiku Coding Guidelines say to not check for NULL before calling free() or delete[00:09:30] <js> why's that?[00:09:40] <js> if the variable is NULL I should just crash? oO[00:10:30] *** ec|detached is now known as elliottcable[00:10:57] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[00:11:04] <augiedoggie> no, if they are already null free/delete will detect that and become a noop[00:11:11] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[00:11:11] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[00:11:31] <CIA-81> Haiku: axeld * r41186 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/CalendarMenuWindow.cpp:[00:11:31] <CIA-81> * There is no good reason to use a tiny font size here that doesn't even render[00:11:31] <CIA-81> as well with our default font.[00:11:31] <CIA-81> * Minor cleanup.[00:12:09] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:14:03] *** ianj has joined #haiku[00:22:45] *** looncraz has quit IRC[00:23:51] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[00:34:09] *** impy has quit IRC[00:34:30] *** impy has joined #haiku[00:43:07] *** aalvarez has left #haiku[00:43:25] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:49:46] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[01:06:48] *** atekinalp has quit IRC[01:10:36] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[01:17:55] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[01:23:15] *** PiXeLStick has joined #haiku[01:25:39] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[01:30:00] *** Geoz|lap has joined #haiku[01:30:37] *** Geoz|lap has quit IRC[01:30:37] *** Geoz|lap has joined #haiku[01:31:23] *** Geoz has quit IRC[01:32:08] <PiXeLStick> Anyone having problems where downloads will freeze after about 4kb. I am using a nightly from early April.[01:32:49] <PiXeLStick> does this with wget, installoptionalpackages, and webpositive when I used a thumbdrive to copy it over[01:33:09] *** Geoz|lap has quit IRC[01:33:10] <PiXeLStick> does it with live cd and after install to harddrive[01:34:37] <graphitemaster> anyone interested in a clib made just for haiku[01:34:53] <graphitemaster> me and my buddy decided to work on libcarpcie ( which is a MIT based clib )[01:34:59] <graphitemaster> *libcaprice[01:35:32] <graphitemaster> with other _enhancements_ such as hashtables, and vectors for C[01:35:38] <graphitemaster> it's all conforming ansi C99 code.[01:45:44] *** escoload_ has quit IRC[01:46:12] *** Nies has quit IRC[01:51:01] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[01:52:09] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[01:53:29] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:54:03] *** graphitemaster has quit IRC[01:54:03] *** graphitemaster has joined #haiku[01:57:33] *** PiXeLStick has quit IRC[01:57:36] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[02:30:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:55:02] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[03:01:26] <jrabbit> Pixel^: thats odd... I'd try another revision and report the issue formally [on the tracker] and informally [on my new tool when I add the cron job][03:24:18] *** cryptic__ has joined #haiku[03:27:39] *** Teknomancer_ has joined #haiku[03:27:52] *** Gareth__ has joined #haiku[03:27:54] *** auronandace_ has joined #haiku[03:28:10] *** graphitemaster_ has joined #haiku[03:28:13] *** TMM_ has joined #haiku[03:33:22] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:33:23] *** sigma_g has quit IRC[03:33:26] *** diver has quit IRC[03:33:26] *** aphedox_ has quit IRC[03:33:27] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[03:33:27] *** auronandace has quit IRC[03:33:27] *** TMM has quit IRC[03:33:28] *** Gareth has quit IRC[03:33:28] *** graphitemaster has quit IRC[03:33:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[03:33:28] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:33:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:34:49] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[03:35:01] *** senryu_user has quit IRC[03:35:15] *** Nozy has left #haiku[03:35:49] *** fengshaun has quit IRC[03:37:25] *** sigma_g has joined #haiku[03:57:43] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:59:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:03:33] *** kurain has joined #haiku[04:03:46] <kurain> hello all[04:04:23] <kurain> someone knows how to change the fixed font for Fonts preference?[04:06:42] *** elliottcable is now known as cipher[04:08:06] *** cipher is now known as elliottcable[04:08:21] *** Mazon has quit IRC[04:09:40] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[04:20:03] *** graphitemaster_ has quit IRC[04:25:52] *** looncraz has quit IRC[04:28:07] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[04:28:17] <looncraz> how do you uninstall something after using installoptionalpackage?[04:34:11] *** looncraz has quit IRC[04:36:55] <kurain> hey looncraz[04:38:22] <kurain> you can just remove the package that installoptionalpackage command created[04:38:33] <OmniMancer> kurain: no you can't[04:39:04] <kurain> OmniMancer, you are answering my question?[04:39:14] <OmniMancer> no[04:39:29] <kurain> how to change the fixed font?[04:40:13] <kurain> oh[04:40:15] <OmniMancer> I am saying that you can't easily uninstall installoptionalpackage stuff easily[04:40:46] <kurain> I got you. then what should I do to uninstall it?[04:41:23] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[04:41:35] *** ankitdaf has quit IRC[04:43:47] <OmniMancer> you have to delete the files from the zip it extracted[04:44:57] <looncraz> I got it, thanks OmniMancer ;-)[04:45:08] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[04:45:14] <kurain> oh. exactly that is what I mean, but having given a not correct answer[04:46:02] <looncraz> I manually removed the opensound files, then just did what installoptionalpackage told me[04:46:31] <kurain> OmniMancer, are you using the latest nightly build? or some relatively stable build?[04:47:10] <OmniMancer> some stableish build[04:47:13] <kurain> or some BeOS release instead[04:47:39] <kurain> which build?[04:47:57] <OmniMancer> not sure right now[04:48:56] <kurain> there are some apps that usually broke, like Mail, WebPositive , also Mount dameon[04:49:22] <OmniMancer> I have only used webpositive[04:49:33] <kurain> hehe, :)[04:50:13] <OmniMancer> and maybe the mount daemon[04:50:23] <kurain> :)[04:50:43] <jrabbit> Fsck[04:50:54] <jrabbit> my webapp has a serious flaw i think[04:51:12] <jrabbit> I can't seem to figure out why or where its occuring now[04:51:39] <jrabbit> hmmm[04:52:06] <kurain> if you don't using unmount control to delete the USB or some other devices, and just directly cut the connection with computer, it will broke[04:52:33] <OmniMancer> kurain: that is known[04:52:46] <kurain> and then a full screen debug window jump out[04:52:55] <kurain> oh,[04:53:07] <OmniMancer> it is for a well known reason[04:53:16] * jrabbit mioght have diagnosed the problem[04:53:33] <jrabbit> thats bizare, there mgiht be omething in how jquery does http GET requests[04:53:43] <kurain> jrabbit: you must be a carefull person[04:53:44] *** escoloader has joined #haiku[04:53:54] *** escoloader has left #haiku[04:54:08] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[04:54:09] <jrabbit> I'm evading doing the stuff I'm supposed to be doing[04:54:23] <kurain> hehe[04:54:49] <jrabbit> fucking javascript :)[04:55:10] <jrabbit> When I ping the url with a browser it works[05:07:10] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[05:09:35] *** deejam has quit IRC[05:14:13] *** kurain has quit IRC[05:15:42] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[05:17:40] *** Stellar has quit IRC[05:26:01] *** looncraz has quit IRC[05:28:25] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[05:28:59] * looncraz is idle: building a non-modded Haiku ;-)[05:45:50] *** elliottcable is now known as ec|detached[06:00:42] *** looncraz has quit IRC[06:03:13] *** dancxjo has joined #haiku[06:14:29] *** looncraz has joined #haiku[06:17:08] *** MUILTFN has joined #haiku[06:17:50] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[06:24:56] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[06:27:09] <looncraz> What is this type-ahead filtering in Tracker?[06:27:33] <looncraz> if it doesn't make sense to the masses, it needs to be reworded in the least...[06:27:47] <augiedoggie> what don't you understand about it?[06:27:54] <augiedoggie> start typing and it filters[06:28:12] <looncraz> Oh, I see[06:28:30] <looncraz> Odd feature, if you ask me...[06:29:12] <looncraz> I would prefer dimming those that don't match... maybe I'll work on that...[06:29:18] * looncraz starts his list...[06:30:55] <augiedoggie> it is covered by the userguide as well[06:30:58] <augiedoggie> http://haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/tracker.html#type-ahead[06:31:02] <AlienSoldier> a new tracker feature?[06:32:04] <looncraz> I don't think simply hiding non-matching items is the best way, bringing matches to the top and graying out the rest seems more intuitive[06:32:38] <AlienSoldier> ho i see. I liked Jeremy "bart launcher"[06:33:12] <AlienSoldier> would be nice to have tracker act a bit like this[06:33:39] <looncraz> bart launcher, eh??[06:33:43] * looncraz goes to search....[06:34:25] <AlienSoldier> i use that instead of the standard "find"[06:36:57] <looncraz> So you could type any command into any open window?[06:37:26] <looncraz> so if I type screensaver and hit enter in any Tracker window I get the screensaver prefs?[06:37:44] * looncraz can't find a copy of barts launcher, so he's a bit confused, perhaps[06:37:57] <augiedoggie> if it is, then it's similar to QuickLaunch[06:38:28] <looncraz> Yeah, I was looking at the QuickLaunch entry @ HaikuWare ;-)[06:39:16] <looncraz> That would certainly require a list of universally accessible binaries to be maintained for ideal performance[06:39:38] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[06:39:42] <augiedoggie> I haven't used it but I've heard the queries it uses are pretty fast[06:40:48] <looncraz> Would certainly need to try using a query first ( certainly easier )[06:41:22] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[06:44:58] <looncraz> oh well, that is about for me and coding this day...[06:45:33] <looncraz> l8rs *[06:45:35] *** looncraz has quit IRC[06:59:08] *** MUILTFN has quit IRC[07:03:28] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[07:09:19] *** Will07c5 has quit IRC[08:02:38] *** MUILTFN has joined #haiku[08:06:23] *** [r4] has quit IRC[08:11:10] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:12:04] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[08:12:56] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[08:13:32] *** deesharpe has quit IRC[08:14:00] *** deesharpe has joined #haiku[08:16:29] *** xplt has joined #haiku[08:17:55] *** andrewSC has quit IRC[08:18:25] *** andrewSC has joined #haiku[08:36:17] *** MUILTFN has quit IRC[08:44:38] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:00:21] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:02:36] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:03:44] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[09:03:45] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[09:05:55] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[09:13:40] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[09:15:22] *** adominguez has joined #haiku[09:17:02] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[09:42:53] *** idefix_dommel has joined #haiku[09:43:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[09:44:37] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[09:48:12] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[09:52:59] *** andrewSC has quit IRC[10:02:06] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[10:10:39] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has joined #haiku[10:12:15] *** tqh has quit IRC[10:23:03] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[10:23:29] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:24:19] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:25:09] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:34:23] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:45:28] *** idefix_dommel has left #haiku[10:47:22] <CIA-81> Haiku: stippi * r41187 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/stylededit/ (StyledEditWindow.cpp StyledEditWindow.h): (log message trimmed)[10:47:23] <CIA-81> Follow up commit on r41184, which removed the Edit->Clear menu item.[10:47:23] <CIA-81> I suppose it was discussed on the i18n list as mentioned in that[10:47:23] <CIA-81> commit. However two things, Humdinger: 1) You did not test your commit,[10:47:23] <CIA-81> and 2) You did incomplete cleanup. If you had removed the member variable[10:47:23] <CIA-81> from the StyledEditWindow header, you would have gotten at least a[10:47:24] <CIA-81> compile error. Those things being said, I did not test my changes[10:49:02] *** ianj_ has joined #haiku[10:49:02] *** ianj has quit IRC[10:49:03] *** ianj_ is now known as ianj[10:49:09] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[11:00:41] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[11:08:42] *** Teknomancer_ is now known as Teknomancer[11:08:47] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:11:07] *** MUILTFN has joined #haiku[11:13:41] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[11:14:26] <js> hm. webpositive seems to have problems with https+auth. it crashes after hovering the first link oO[11:14:53] <js> (at least according to the backtrace it's caused by webpositive's callback for webkit's auth request)[11:17:42] *** The123king has joined #haiku[11:22:38] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[11:37:42] *** deesharpe has quit IRC[11:38:05] *** deesharpe has joined #haiku[11:46:51] *** MUILTFN has quit IRC[12:02:56] *** enterneo has joined #haiku[12:03:22] *** MUILTFN has joined #haiku[12:06:31] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[12:12:05] *** tqh has quit 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has joined #haiku[15:01:19] *** bruce_loco has joined #haiku[15:01:47] <bruce_loco> Hi guys, where can I find info on the arm port?[15:02:10] <GeneralMaximus> is there an ARM port?[15:02:24] <mmu_man> GeneralMaximus: unfinished[15:03:42] <GeneralMaximus> mmu_man: ah[15:05:06] <GeneralMaximus> mmu_man: a guy i know wanted to put Haiku on an ARM device[15:05:17] <GeneralMaximus> mmu_man: some tablet-esque thing[15:05:26] <bruce_loco> Unfinished or abandoned?[15:05:28] <GeneralMaximus> i never knew there was an actual port[15:07:21] <mmu_man> just unfinished due to lack of time[15:07:30] <mmu_man> it was started with GSoC last year[15:07:45] <GeneralMaximus> hm[15:09:24] *** enterneo has quit IRC[15:13:29] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[15:16:42] <bruce_loco> So how do i contribute to it?[15:16:57] <OmniMancer> write code :D[15:17:18] <OmniMancer> express interest[15:17:22] <OmniMancer> take inititive[15:18:54] <bruce_loco> Hahaha, i mean get hands in the code, is it on the main tree?[15:19:05] <Teknomancer> hmm[15:19:47] <bruce_loco> I believe haiku would be the ultimate tablet os[15:19:48] <Teknomancer> there is kernel/arch/arm[15:19:50] <Teknomancer> directory[15:20:00] <bruce_loco> I have a tegra2 chip[15:20:04] *** GedM has joined #haiku[15:20:32] <bruce_loco> How about the licensing?[15:20:42] <OmniMancer> hmmm?[15:20:45] <OmniMancer> MIT[15:21:10] <GeneralMaximus> bruce_loco: indeed, it would be[15:21:10] <bruce_loco> To make sure that i cannot make it[15:21:11] <bruce_loco> Go into gpl realm[15:21:31] *** enterneo has joined #haiku[15:21:34] <OmniMancer> bruce_loco: what are you saying?[15:21:53] <Teknomancer> Haiku is BSD licensed afaik[15:22:05] <OmniMancer> MIT licenced mostly I believe[15:22:07] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:22:38] <bruce_loco> Code has to be swept for gpl patterns[15:22:42] <Teknomancer> how unfortunate[15:22:42] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[15:22:54] <OmniMancer> bruce_loco: what do you mean?[15:23:09] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[15:23:27] <bruce_loco> I know, but in order to do some ports, the linux bsp side has to be used as point of reference[15:25:26] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[15:30:12] <bruce_loco> Does not matter much as this is mostly register/interrupt/memory dwfinitions[15:34:35] <bruce_loco> OmniMancer: Get my drift?[15:35:07] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[15:35:20] <OmniMancer> yes[15:37:14] *** duvjones has quit IRC[15:38:18] *** xplt has quit IRC[15:45:12] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[15:52:41] *** Will07c5 has joined #haiku[15:53:31] *** bruce_loco has quit IRC[15:55:40] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[16:06:26] *** TomManAway has joined #haiku[16:06:52] *** TomManAway is now known as TomMan81[16:14:04] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:15:23] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[16:17:12] *** duvjones has quit IRC[16:19:46] <CIA-81> Haiku: zooey * r41188 /haiku/branches/features/package-management/build/jam/HaikuImage:[16:19:46] <CIA-81> * add all the package-management related stuff to the 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on[18:22:06] <diegoviola> yesterday i was burned when i had to downgrade a package on linux (mysql), my desktop environment (KDE) would be linked to mysql, some components of KDE, and downgrading was a real PITA[18:22:18] <diegoviola> I was wondering if Haiku has a better way of doing these things[18:22:22] <OmniMancer1> however I doubt it will end up with the repos thing but will do dependency stuff in some way[18:22:58] <diegoviola> nice[18:23:17] <OmniMancer1> people working on the package management have thought of things like that, I am not sure how they will solve them but they have been brought up in the discussion[18:23:50] <diegoviola> I had to manually build the package I want and keep both versions[18:24:25] <diegoviola> which is annoying[18:24:35] <Ingenu> we can do it the BeOS/simple way : standalone package[18:24:52] <Ingenu> or we can do it the annoying way : repository and dependency hell[18:25:14] <OmniMancer1> Ingenu: they are trying to make the dependency hell less hellish[18:25:39] <Ingenu> meh[18:25:50] <Ingenu> it's like trying to make Linux a compelling Desktop OS[18:25:54] <Ingenu> a waste of time[18:26:00] *** Advant has quit IRC[18:26:27] <OmniMancer1> Ingenu: please don't be unhelpful[18:27:02] <diegoviola> can't they build a stable API that won't change, and if you change programs other components won't break because it's the same API but a different program?[18:27:05] <diegoviola> does that makes sense?[18:27:20] <OmniMancer1> diegoviola: libraries don't do this[18:27:26] <OmniMancer1> they are annoying like that[18:27:54] <diegoviola> oh well, nvm then[18:28:18] <Ingenu> meh[18:28:23] <OmniMancer1> even in versions where the API is "compatible" software may depend on bugs or break due to changes[18:28:44] <OmniMancer1> even if the API is the same the way it actually does things may break the program[18:28:57] <Ingenu> that's why independent packages are nice[18:28:59] <diegoviola> some guy just suggested "recompile your mysql 5.5 with 5.1" but then sure, half of the crap i have installed would break[18:29:14] <diegoviola> if i reinstalled and overwritted files[18:29:16] <Ingenu> and given the HDD we have, we can't use the "waste of space" argument[18:29:46] <diegoviola> overwritten*[18:29:51] <OmniMancer1> Ingenu: you can always use that argument[18:30:13] <OmniMancer1> individual packages also have their own disadvantages[18:30:19] <Ingenu> yes[18:30:24] <Ingenu> they just work[18:30:31] <Ingenu> how annoying[18:30:44] <Ingenu> you can't write tons of "clever" software to solve a problem that you invented...[18:30:46] <Ingenu> :p[18:30:57] <diegoviola> individual packages == packages bundled with thier own libs?[18:31:05] <Ingenu> dunno I liked BeOS, and in BeOS we had packages[18:31:09] <Ingenu> yes[18:31:19] <Ingenu> the application is self contained[18:31:20] <diegoviola> that's fine[18:32:21] <diegoviola> linux people like to say that that's a disadvantage when you have to update software from the system, and libraries, duplication, etc[18:32:28] <Ingenu> the only reason I ever see against is disk waste and can't have security updates automagically[18:33:03] <OmniMancer1> Ingenu: expand your view[18:33:13] <diegoviola> but other than that it's good because if you want to upgrade or downgrade a program you can do it without much of a hassle[18:33:14] <OmniMancer1> you are looking only at the use of them[18:33:49] <Ingenu> ?[18:34:03] <Ingenu> I'm a user, I want things simple[18:34:08] <OmniMancer1> also nothing ever just works[18:34:10] <Ingenu> download, double click install, done[18:34:15] <OmniMancer1> Ingenu: being a user is not all there is[18:34:15] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[18:34:23] <Ingenu> really ?[18:34:34] <Ingenu> you can download and install tons of programs just like that[18:34:37] <Ingenu> it does work[18:34:41] <Ingenu> it's proven[18:35:37] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[18:36:43] <diegoviola> in linux you are stuck with 1 version of a program, whatever the distribution decides to ship and that sucks big time, Gentoo provides downgrading more easily but a cost of compilation time, but it sucks still because if you want to downgrade component A and B depends on it you still have to rebuild both and it's a waste of time[18:36:57] <diegoviola> please don't do the same mistake[18:37:19] <OmniMancer1> i don't think they will[18:39:29] <diegoviola> and the worse thing with the linux community is, if you want to speak about these shortcomings, they will rather call you a troll or inexperienced[18:39:41] <diegoviola> rather than speaking freely and open about the problem in order to fix it[18:40:28] <Ingenu> many (most?) people don't know shit and still talk[18:40:34] <Ingenu> and many others are just narrow minded[18:40:40] <Ingenu> so...[18:41:16] <Ingenu> there was some heavy discussions about the Package Manager[18:41:21] <Ingenu> were*[18:42:09] <Ingenu> curious to know whether anyone did a summary of what were the pros and cons of each solution[18:43:00] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[18:43:31] *** Ono-Sendai has joined #haiku[18:44:59] <Ingenu> I find it critical to document not only the current solution, but the alternatives and the reasons why they weren't picked up[18:45:25] <Ingenu> with time things may change and the good solution might not the one chosen anymore[18:45:26] *** Ono-Sendai has left #haiku[18:46:27] <OmniMancer1> Ingenu: one could perceive you as narrow minded for wanting only individual packages and condemning everything else[18:46:56] *** enterneo has quit IRC[18:47:28] <diegoviola> i think it's easy, system libraries can help with security and also disk space, and bundled libraries is more simple if you want to just install whatever version of the program and run it[18:48:45] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:48:51] <diegoviola> are those the only two ways?[18:49:41] <Ingenu> OmniMancer1, I'm always open to a *better* solution.[18:50:01] <Ingenu> but K.I.S.S. preveils :p[18:50:19] *** Colin_Finck|lap is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[18:50:23] <OmniMancer1> Ingenu: but you are not open to looking for the better solution[18:51:14] <Ingenu> what do you mean ?[18:52:05] <OmniMancer1> you claim to be open to a better solution[18:52:36] <OmniMancer1> but when people want to improve a solution you have dismissed you ignore this and say meh and that they won't succeed[18:53:49] *** duvjones has joined #haiku[18:54:03] <diegoviola> if one decides to go with bundled libraries because of their easy method of downgrading, and all the benefit that methods provides, can't the OS just deprecate the library or inform the developer in some way that the library has been deprecated in order to update the library and improve security?[18:54:47] <diegoviola> disk space as a excuse is lame[18:54:51] <OmniMancer1> that is difficult[18:55:05] <Ingenu> you'd have to make sure the update doesn't break anything[18:55:06] <OmniMancer1> and how do you distinguish user from developer?[18:57:05] <diegoviola> not sure[18:58:08] <diegoviola> it's complicated[18:58:35] <helf> hello[18:59:11] <Ingenu> hi[19:00:19] *** vishnu has joined #haiku[19:01:53] <vishnu> a[19:02:51] <Ingenu> b[19:05:10] <GeneralMaximus> c?[19:06:08] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has joined #haiku[19:06:42] <vishnu> how come no chat is going on?[19:07:21] *** adominguez has quit IRC[19:09:01] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:09:29] <Ingenu> I was rambling about package management but noone cared[19:09:34] <Ingenu> so...[19:09:53] <Ingenu> besides that I noticed there wasn't a web browser in the Haiku I downloaded the other week[19:10:12] <Ingenu> still as fast as BeOS, which is nice, but managed to break it, which is not nice[19:10:14] <Ingenu> :([19:10:25] <Ingenu> guess I'm stuck on windows for a while longer[19:11:33] *** chackal_sjc has joined #haiku[19:19:37] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[19:19:38] *** deesharpe has quit IRC[19:20:06] *** deesharpe has joined #haiku[19:22:15] <helf> Ingenu, its just you 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Not sure but maybe this fixes a crash on startup (if there is an interrupt before the ring buffer is created...).[22:01:04] <jrabbit> Ingenu: tbh its for the best the "prefered" options aren't very modern[22:03:03] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[22:03:29] *** lorglas has quit IRC[22:13:25] *** Colin_Finck|lap is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[22:18:19] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:30:23] *** deesharpe has quit IRC[22:31:09] *** deesharpe has joined #haiku[22:32:34] *** lukove has joined #haiku[22:34:31] *** lukove has quit IRC[22:35:53] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:43:48] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck|lap[22:44:13] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[22:50:27] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:04:17] *** MUILTFN has joined #haiku[23:15:18] *** gabrielh has joined #haiku[23:16:33] <gabrielh> Does anyone here know anything about the Google Summer of Code application process? I'd like to know the approximate length desirable for the project description in the proposal.[23:16:55] <mmu_man> ask mmadia[23:17:04] <gabrielh> Thanks.[23:19:00] <scgtrp> mmu_man: i've not been able to get vbox to compile with your patch, it complains about a missing rule for VBoxGuestR0LibBase.a - did you get anything like that?[23:19:52] <scgtrp> (i prodded it a bit myself but i'm not really familiar enough with the funky build system they're using)[23:20:52] <mmu_man> scgtrp: hmm let me check[23:21:27] <mmu_man> what's the error ? pastebin[23:22:03] <scgtrp> mm, i don't have access to the vm atm. give me a few[23:22:13] <scgtrp> "no rule to make VBoxGuestR0LibBase.a", from memory[23:25:40] <scgtrp> mmu_man: http://slexy.org/view/s21ua3xlPM[23:26:10] <mmu_man> scgtrp: I pass the variable as argument to kmk, but it should probably act the same[23:26:20] <mmu_man> updating my svn copy[23:26:38] <scgtrp> yeah, that's not it[23:26:38] *** senryu_user has joined #haiku[23:26:50] <senryu_user> hi[23:27:06] <scgtrp> hai[23:27:08] *** Nies has joined #haiku[23:27:08] *** oZ] has quit IRC[23:28:25] <senryu_user> working on virtual box ? nice. Would be a welcomed addition ![23:28:46] <scgtrp> waitaminute, how did you know what we were talking about? you just joined[23:29:15] <senryu_user> chat log[23:29:22] <senryu_user> http://echelog.matzon.dk/?haiku[23:29:25] <scgtrp> oh[23:29:29] <senryu_user> hehe[23:29:36] <scgtrp> didn't realize it was updated that quickly[23:29:50] <senryu_user> is virtualbox going to use the VT capabilitys of modern cpus ?[23:29:57] <senryu_user> it live updates IIRC[23:29:59] <scgtrp> it already does, doesn't it?[23:30:11] <senryu_user> I don't know, thats why I was asking.[23:30:20] <scgtrp> i have a checkbox for it, at least[23:31:54] <senryu_user> cool ![23:32:48] * scgtrp must run off to class now[23:33:48] <mmu_man> gee lots of changes...[23:33:59] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:40:18] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:48:39] *** xplt has joined #haiku[23:48:53] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:50:59] *** mmu has joined #haiku[23:51:02] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[23:53:45] <mmu> scgtrp I use kmk VBOX_ONLY_ADDITIONS=1 VBOX_WITH_ADDITION_DRIVERS=1 all[23:53:46] <mmu> btw