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[00:33:52] <Senryu-User> yo 2 all
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[01:02:06] <b0nes65> oin haiku
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[01:45:49] <habstinat> So to build a 64-bit Haiku from a 64-bit Linux OS I would use ./configure --build-cross-tools ../buildtools/ and then I could also make that a GCC hybrid, correct?
[01:46:15] <habstinat> (using other steps to make it a GCC hybrid)
[01:48:20] <habstinat> Ah, now I see 64-bit support isn't supported currently, so I suppose you could disregard that last message. :P
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[02:59:36] <js> uhm, is it normal that I have /boot/var? oO
[03:00:40] * jrabbit ought to test his tool in webpositive
[03:01:07] <jrabbit> considering its a haiku targeted tool and uses alot of html5+jquery
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[03:06:08] <habstinat> Quick question -- When installing the anyboot to a USB from a Linux machine, my device is /dev/sdc1 however when executing dd if=path/to/haiku-anyboot.image of=/dev/sd[x] bs=1M the documentation says *not* to use /dev/sdx1 and use /dev/sdx instead, but substituting X for C, I don't have a /dev/sdc, only a /dev/sdc1?
[03:09:01] <js> habstinat: that can't be
[03:09:05] <js> sdc1 means sdc with partition 1
[03:09:14] <js> if you don't have sdc, you obviously can't have a partition 1 on it
[03:10:40] <habstinat> js: But when I do sudo fdisk -l, /dev/sdc isn't listed, unless it isn't supposed to be?
[03:11:52] <habstinat> js: I understand that I have a /dev/sdc, but my understanding is that nothing is on/in it?
[03:17:07] <habstinat> js: I may be confusing you here but bottom line: Should I use "dd if=path/to/haiku-anyboot.image of=/dev/sdc bs=1M" or "dd if=path/to/haiku-anyboot.image of=/dev/sdc1 bs=1M"?
[03:33:19] <js> fdisk has nothing to do with it?!
[03:33:20] <js> bottom line is do without 1
[03:33:20] <js> 1 would be the first partition on the disk
[03:33:20] <js> sdc is the whole disk
[03:39:59] <habstinat> js: Thanks.
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[03:42:11] <jrabbit> Huh wait how did my install take 1.4 gb on the 2gb blank disk?
[03:42:48] <js> jrabbit: /boot/common/var/swap?
[03:43:16] <jrabbit> Yeah.
[03:43:27] <jrabbit> is that configurable?
[03:46:14] <js> it used to in BeOS
[03:47:31] <jrabbit> maybe its dependant on avail RAM?
[03:50:03] <jrabbit> WebPositive doesn't have the webkit dev stuff? :\
[03:50:10] <js> of course not
[03:50:15] <js> its webkit is quite old
[03:50:55] <jrabbit> it works but no color coding
[03:51:06] <js> it does not even display stuff like facebook correctly
[03:51:13] <js> where it has black bars whenever there is a submit button
[03:51:18] <jrabbit> :\
[03:51:20] <js> so what do you expect?
[03:51:42] <jrabbit> No one has compiled it with a newer webkit? :\
[03:51:49] <js> it works for browsing, but don't expect any eyecandy ;)
[03:52:00] <js> I guess not
[03:52:06] <js> though I thought about updating it myself
[03:52:15] * js wants HTML5 video :)
[03:52:16] <jrabbit> what happened to the chrome knockoff multiprocess webkit browser?
[03:52:30] <js> dunno which one you mean
[03:52:50] <js> writing a BeAPI UI for chrome would be interesting, though
[03:54:36] <js> looks extremely dead to me :P
[03:54:40] <js> last chaneg from 2009
[03:55:01] <jrabbit> but it mgiht be easier to make it work with recent webkit.
[03:55:08] <jrabbit> also theres arora.
[03:55:09] <jrabbit> :P
[03:55:46] <js> wasn't it qt?
[03:55:49] <js> thus, ugly?
[03:56:17] <jrabbit> eh.
[03:56:28] <jrabbit> but its a modern browser
[03:56:31] <jrabbit> unlike the rest
[03:56:40] <js> I'd prefer updating WebPositive :)
[03:56:54] <js> it feels (and is!) native, it's lightweight, it's simple :)
[03:56:58] <js> it perfectly fits haiku
[03:57:02] <js> plus, the browser is what gave haiku it's name :P
[03:57:23] <js> (well, not WebPositive, but NetPositive did)
[03:57:27] <jrabbit> hm.
[03:57:52] <js> anyway, updating webkit shouldn't be too hard
[03:58:01] <js> if you don't want the video tag etc.
[03:58:03] <jrabbit> if you want help lemme know
[03:58:20] <js> I currently only have a haiku vm and no real installation
[03:58:22] <js> + am short on time
[03:58:29] <js> so, I guess I won't be doing it in the near future
[03:59:03] <jrabbit> I did all my google code in work on a VM
[03:59:05] <jrabbit> its doable.
[03:59:11] <js> it's sloooooooow
[03:59:14] <jrabbit> nah
[03:59:14] <js> like hell
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[03:59:20] <jrabbit> compiling took a while
[03:59:22] <js> compiling simple stuff takes forever
[03:59:27] <jrabbit> but othwise it works fine
[03:59:31] <js> I really would not want to compile webkit in it :P
[03:59:34] <jrabbit> js: do you not have VT?
[03:59:34] <js> guess that will take days
[03:59:38] <js> I do
[03:59:46] <js> but still it's slow like hell in vmware fusion
[03:59:51] <jrabbit> js: you could build it in the haiku bootstrap process on your host :P
[03:59:59] <js> stuff that takes a few seconds to compile on OS X needs minutes in the Haiku VM
[04:00:39] <dreamed> I've noticed everything is slow as hell in vmware fusion
[04:00:50] <jrabbit> yep :P
[04:00:51] <dreamed> it's annoying - seems much slower than vmware workstation on windows or linux
[04:01:00] <dreamed> although I suspect the host os is a large part of the problem
[04:01:01] <jrabbit> hmmm not really...
[04:01:16] <jrabbit> it feels the same as any other virtualizing...
[04:01:21] <dreamed> well admittedly I was prototyping an entire domain with exchange cluster...
[04:01:29] <js> dreamed: yeah, it definitely feels awfully slow
[04:01:31] <jrabbit> then again I've only heavily vm'd on my MBP
[04:01:38] <js> I think I/O is especially slow on OS X
[04:01:43] <dreamed> jrabbit: I have the current unibody i7 17"
[04:01:44] <dreamed> it's slow
[04:01:46] <js> make -j4 and even the host system gets slow
[04:01:53] <dreamed> I should try it on the hybrid ssd since I just installed it
[04:01:54] <jrabbit> dreamed: you're doing it wrong then :P
[04:02:02] <jrabbit> js: ... it only emulates one core...
[04:02:08] <js> jrabbit: not true
[04:02:11] <dreamed> jrabbit: running windows on a mac really could be described that way, so I find it hard to fault your logic
[04:02:14] <jrabbit> er I guess thats configurable.
[04:02:30] <dreamed> it doesn't emulate at all, that's a completely different technological kettle of fish :P
[04:02:42] <jrabbit> well you know what I mean :P
[04:03:12] * dreamed wonders if parallels is any better
[04:03:27] <dreamed> people tell me it is, but I've never tried it
[04:03:28] <jrabbit> Probably not
[04:03:36] <dreamed> and I'm mostly vmware oriented
[04:03:58] <jrabbit> I've been using vmware so I could playu civ 4 sanely for a while
[04:04:10] <jrabbit> since the mac versino was a joke
[04:04:58] <js> dreamed: I had the feeling that parallels was even slower
[04:05:11] <js> plus, it cluttered your windows vm
[04:05:11] <js> installed 100 of services
[04:05:22] <jrabbit> would anyone else be intrested in having haiku's svn stuff mirrored by github officially or not?
[04:05:41] <js> mercurial would be nice since there's an optional package for it :>
[04:07:47] <jrabbit> ? theres an optional package for git too? :P
[04:08:07] <jrabbit> and git and hg are interchangable now on github anyways
[04:08:12] <jrabbit> ith git-hg
[04:08:34] <dreamed> js: interesting
[04:08:38] <dreamed> as said, I've never seen it
[04:11:19] <js> jrabbit: they were always since you can do hg clone git://foo
[04:11:33] <js> anyway, already after 4am here
[04:11:36] <js> gotta go sleep ;)
[04:11:40] <js> night!
[04:11:44] <dreamed> nn
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[04:21:44] <kurain> hello all
[04:22:04] <kurain> what a nice day, ha, ;)
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[07:08:50] <Senryu_user1> New motherboard tested with haiku today
[07:08:59] <Senryu_user1> MSI 870A-g54
[07:12:16] <kurain> glad to hear that
[07:13:08] <Senryu_user1> still trying to get sound working. Shows up with the hda driver
[07:13:15] <Senryu_user1> just no sound output
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[07:17:41] <vision2> quick reboot fixed it
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[09:54:18] <matthias19> moin
[09:57:07] <kurain> hey matthias19
[09:58:22] <matthias19> sadly I haven't found time to find out why when booting Haiku I get a NMI
[09:58:39] <matthias19> though typing continue at the kernel debugger prompt makes haiku boot
[09:58:46] <matthias19> and it seems everything important works
[09:58:48] <matthias19> very strange thing
[09:59:12] <kurain> what do you mean by saying "NMI"?
[09:59:34] <kurain> I am using haiku, either
[10:02:07] <matthias19> Not Maskable Interrupt
[10:04:39] <kurain> oh
[10:05:55] <kurain> do you know how to disable wifi in Haiku?
[10:06:53] <kurain> Although I disable it in the Network Preference , but it doesn't work
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[10:18:15] <matthias19> ah too late
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[10:36:23] <matthias19> kurain: I can't tell you that, never tried to disable WLAN; for unused network devices I just do not configure anything
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[12:00:03] <kurain> hello all
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[16:59:09] <Senryu_user> homemade vegetable beef soup with barely is yummy
[17:05:13] <helf> mmmm
[17:05:17] <helf> I love that kind of soup
[17:05:34] <Teknomancer> with barely what?
[17:05:45] <Teknomancer> or do you mean barley :P
[17:06:06] <helf> I love how moving a single letter still creates a valid word :p
[17:06:49] <Senryu_user> sorry, atrocious speller.
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[17:09:10] <Nico-izo> Hello.
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[17:12:28] <Telstar> hi.
[17:18:00] <Senryu_user> hi
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[17:36:22] <Senryu_user> what is Qutim ?
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[18:01:22] <Nico-izo> Qutim is crossplatform multiprotocol IM.
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[19:37:28] <CIA-81> Haiku: humdinger * r41185 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/screenshot/ScreenshotWindow.cpp: Added a bit of space in front of the 'seconds' string.
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[19:59:27] <nagesh> hi i am new to this channel, could somebody help me out?
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[20:03:31] <NeonLicht> Asking to ask rarely gets any answers, does it?
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[20:15:33] <bruce_loco> hi guys
[20:16:00] <NeonLicht> Hi bruce_loco.
[20:16:15] <bruce_loco> how doi begin to port haiku to tegra2?
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[20:22:17] <bruce_loco> anybody?
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[20:23:43] <augiedoggie> you're probably better off asking on the developer mailing list
[20:24:04] <augiedoggie> iirc, the arm port isn't very far
[20:25:21] <bruce_loco> yes, i readaboutthat
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[20:25:59] <bruce_loco> a tegra 2 is a dualcore a9
[20:27:07] <bruce_loco> haiku would be ideal for netbooks/tablets
[20:31:05] <helf> everyone says tablets, but, no.. just no
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[20:31:12] <helf> haikus UI is not at all intended for touchscreens
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[20:31:22] <helf> it would be like using windows 7 on a tablet. a disaster
[20:31:57] <NeonLicht> Using W7 is a disaster wherever you do it.
[20:32:18] <augiedoggie> for yoy maybe, I have very few problems with it
[20:32:26] <augiedoggie> *you
[20:33:24] <helf> I use it everyday without issues
[20:33:31] <helf> people just blindly hate it because its "windows"
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[20:33:51] <helf> but on a tablet its not much fun :p tho, I have to say, microsofts handwriting recognition is insanely good
[20:34:44] <The123king> IMHO Haiku could be an ideal base if "tabletized"
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[20:36:09] <The123king> '
[20:36:19] <The123king> soz
[20:36:58] <The123king> but if you gave it a touchscreen-orientated UI like apple did with OS X, i think it would be a very good system
[20:37:20] <The123king> mainly because of Haiku translators, etc
[20:38:18] <helf> the last thing needed is yet another tablet interface
[20:38:27] <helf> plus it would take time away form other things being developed
[20:38:50] <helf> and as much as I loved beos and wish to use haiku daily on a laptop, I don't think it would ever be a good tablet fit
[20:38:53] <helf> you'd be bolting it on
[20:39:11] <The123king> "cough" iOs "cough"
[20:39:17] <The123king> iOS*
[20:40:03] <The123king> surely it would only require replacing the application kit?
[20:40:19] <The123king> which could be done by a fork/distro
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[20:41:52] <helf> i doubt itsd that easy
[20:42:03] <helf> and ios is a super cut down customized osx
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[20:52:24] <The123king> ehhhhh, all the links are dead
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[21:00:17] <AlienSoldier> haiku would be as good as any OS for a tablet, it would just need a separate interface, just like it currently have 2, windowing system and terminal
[21:00:43] <AlienSoldier> the underlying OS have no shortcomming for tablet use
[21:01:56] <AlienSoldier> but anyway, BeOS was about being 10 year in advance, so i would prefer a voice interface
[21:02:01] <The123king> IMHO it's more suitable than Windows
[21:02:48] <The123king> voice interface? nah
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[21:03:37] <AlienSoldier> voice interface would allow me to work like i read my book on mp3
[21:04:08] <AlienSoldier> performing all kind of complex operation when logging wood at the same time, all sweaty and manly :P
[21:05:03] * AlienSoldier wish he ad bought national semi stock yesterday :(
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[21:12:56] <NeonLicht> What are national semi stock?
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[21:13:18] <NeonLicht> s/are/is/
[21:13:51] <senryu_user> anyone here good at c++/c interested in working on GOBE 3.0 ?
[21:14:10] <scgtrp> NeonLicht: stock in national semi...?
[21:14:20] <scgtrp> they got bought by TI or something iirc
[21:14:32] <senryu_user> TI bought Nation semi a fea years back IIRC
[21:14:35] <AlienSoldier> NeonLicht national semiconductor corporation, up 76% after texas instrument made a bid to aquire them
[21:14:47] <NeonLicht> Thank you, AlienSoldier.
[21:14:56] <senryu_user> maybe I am thinking freescale motorla split opps
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[21:15:42] <AlienSoldier> i guess they bet on buying the company from increased price out of Japan earthquake
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[21:17:34] <AlienSoldier> they made the geode processor, if i remember some BeIA device runned on this
[21:18:01] <senryu_user> National semi made alot of stuff way back.
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[21:23:40] <AlienSoldier> hummm, the time when companies actually made stuff.
[21:24:08] <AlienSoldier> i really think now they just have it hatch from magical dragon eggs in china
[21:24:46] <AlienSoldier> or someone invernted the replicator but kept him for himself
[21:26:21] <senryu_user> replicator, wonder if I could replicate useful things like women ?
[21:30:07] <NeonLicht> Come on, you can barely get by with one, what would you do with two? :D
[21:31:35] <senryu_user> trade the old one in
[21:31:38] <senryu_user> ;-)
[21:32:04] * AlienSoldier imagine a women looking at an infinite shopping possibility, they would not survive the choice, they would breakdown :P
[21:32:05] <NeonLicht> hahaha
[21:32:51] <senryu_user> women are definately into nesting and hoarding.
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[21:37:50] * mrsunshine guesses its cause of they being gatherers in the olde days :P
[21:40:47] <AlienSoldier> i noticed men and women hoarding.is not the same. Women do it to preserve memory (as memory trigger) while men do it as potential stuff to use in future project (that of course are never made)
[21:42:38] <mrsunshine> hehe =)
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[21:48:58] <CIA-81> wxWidgets Toolkit for Haiku: siarzhuk * r33 /wx/trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): - some more stub "implementations" enabled/added.
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[22:01:23] <The123king> O_o wxWidgets?
[22:01:41] <The123king> Also, jw, how easy would a FF4 port be?
[22:02:13] <augiedoggie> the main problem is getting cairo up to speed
[22:02:22] <The123king> i don't think it has Cairo as a dependency
[22:04:08] <oZ]> wxwidgets++
[22:04:09] <The123king> i could be wrong though
[22:07:36] <vooshy> The123king:cairo is a dependency - among other things
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[22:08:01] <leszek> hi
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[22:30:57] <CIA-81> HaikuPorts: scottmc * r1488 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/sdl-mixer/ (patches/sdl-mixer-1.2-hg.patch sdl-mixer-1.2-hg.bep): Added bep file to build sdl-mixer from hg, patched native_midi cpp file that got cut off in previous patch.
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[22:37:54] <auronandace> will wpa support be worked on in gsoc, or is it nearly fully implemented already?
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[22:58:48] <looncraz> Ugh, what was the name of that app in BeOS you could use to edit file resources?
[22:58:54] * looncraz is drawing a blank... how odd...
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[23:04:09] <looncraz> QuickRes :-)
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[23:56:13] <andrewSC> hi all
[23:56:14] <andrewSC> :)