April 4, 2011 
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April 4, 2011 [00:01:32] *** nighty_ has joined #haiku[00:02:35] <js> is there any reason why I should chose gcc2 hybrid over gcc4 hybrid?[00:02:58] <mmadia> the gcc2 abi is and will be stable.[00:03:40] <mmadia> the gcc4 abi can and will break at anytime prior to R2 -- anything compiled with gcc4 will stop working on future revisions of Haiku.[00:04:48] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:04:51] <mmadia> also, none (or few) of the optimizations are enabled for gcc4, which makes the compiled objects perform about the same.[00:04:59] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[00:06:06] <mmadia> and if someone's concerned about runtime performance, there's many other lower hanging fruits. -- serial_debugging, various TRACE and debug settings that could eventually be disabled/toned down.[00:06:07] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[00:13:49] <js> and what about newer stuff that just does not work with gcc2 because it's ancient, broken like hell and has something that does not even deserve the name C++ support?[00:14:01] <js> gcc2 was a nightmare[00:15:24] <mmadia> then use gcc4 ... or fix the software to run on gcc2. IIRC, once R1 is released, gcc2 will become be moved down to a set of legacy compatibility libs.[00:16:22] <kirilla> js: in practical terms, on a hybrid you can build with either gcc2 or gcc4. There'sa setgcc script to flip between them.[00:17:04] <kirilla> it's not like you're held hostage to gcc2[00:17:33] <js> yes, but then why take the gcc2 hybrid version instead of the gcc4 hybrid version? :)[00:17:40] * mmadia holds js hostage to gcc2 :P[00:17:48] <kirilla> js: for the reasons mmadia stated[00:18:17] <kirilla> it's more tested, since it's been our "standard" hybrid for some time[00:18:44] <mmadia> in other words, Haiku is trying to maintain backwards compatibility, unlike other projects where it's not even considered.[00:18:54] <kirilla> and the C++/ABI reasons.. gcc2 is the BeOS/backwards-compatible track[00:19:09] <js> wouldn't it be more sensible to use gcc4 by default and gcc2 only for compatibility?[00:19:42] <mmadia> no. because any program built with gcc4 today is not guaranteed to run on tomorrow's version of Haiku.[00:20:05] <kirilla> the most pressing reason would seem to be to avoid bad impressions on foss developers[00:20:08] <mmadia> once the gcc4 ABI/API is stable in post-R1/R2, then there will be backwards compat.[00:20:27] <mmadia> yeah, that is true kirilla. :|[00:20:38] <js> mmadia: what exactly do you plan to change on the ABI? gcc's C++ ABI has been stable for quite a while now[00:20:50] <kirilla> so much for reason and logic ö) no offence, js :)[00:20:55] <mmadia> the ABI of Haiku's API. (if i said that correctly)[00:21:23] <js> ah, so you basically have different code for gcc2 and gcc4?[00:23:13] <js> like some ifdefs where you only add new instance variables in the gcc4 version and not in the gcc2 version to maintain compatibility?[00:23:21] <kirilla> js: we can make API changes for gcc4, but we may need to keep the API as is, for gcc2 to keep the BeOS apps linking[00:23:44] <kirilla> the the gcc4 version of Haiku, I mean[00:24:09] <js> ah, so you do those ifdefs then I guess and some features are only available in the gcc4 abi?[00:24:26] <kirilla> I think that's about it. I'm no expert on the subject though.[00:24:32] <js> makes sense[00:24:49] <js> hm[00:24:55] <js> so if I want to do a release[00:25:01] <js> I basically have to use two compilers :/[00:25:10] <js> gcc2 for the Haiku- stuff and gcc4 for the core[00:25:45] <kirilla> no you build the entire set twice, once per compiler[00:25:51] <js> not possible[00:25:58] <js> the core is written in ObjC[00:26:04] <kirilla> ah[00:26:05] <js> for which gcc2 had nothing that could be called support[00:26:17] <js> I'm currently having a C interface between the core and UI anyway[00:26:21] <js> since ObjC++ is broken on Haiku[00:26:24] <kirilla> so then it would not be aviable to a gcc2 non-hybrid[00:26:27] <js> (well, not only there...)[00:26:51] <js> can I call gcc2/4 without the switch stuff?[00:27:02] <js> like OBJC=gcc4 CXX=g++2?[00:27:23] <HeTo> I think it should run on a non-hybrid gcc2[00:27:25] <kirilla> probably, but I have no idea if it's practical[00:27:46] <HeTo> having C++ dependencies from the ObjC standard library sounds weird[00:27:57] <js> well, depends on which runtime you use[00:28:09] <js> there are runtimes that have C++-compatible exceptions and thus link to libstdc++[00:28:20] <js> anyway, this is not the case for gnu libobjc[00:33:35] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[00:36:47] <js> btw, I have to say. I hated C++ (especially due to code I get at work which uses 20 nested templates, operator overloading etc), but BeAPI made me like it again[00:38:23] <kirilla> the template aspects of the it are growing, though[00:38:56] <js> you mean Haiku is starting to use templates? :([00:39:05] <kirilla> in some parts, yes[00:39:17] <kirilla> e.g. the layout extensions[00:39:48] <js> hm, maybe it is allright if it is done in a sane way[00:39:55] <js> but I hate when everything is full of templates[00:39:57] <js> it's so ugly[00:40:15] <js> can't it be done with a common base class that has virtual methods?[00:40:50] <kirilla> don't know[00:41:59] *** Fourth has left #haiku[00:45:12] *** vezhlys has quit IRC[00:49:35] <js> just noticed: why are the ISO images bigger than the anyboot images? oO[00:51:19] *** Cobi has quit IRC[00:59:04] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[01:14:57] *** Pinaraf has quit IRC[01:23:09] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[01:25:18] <js> btw is it possible to boot Haiku on a MBP?[01:26:46] <augiedoggie> some work, some don't[01:26:53] <js> 2010 12"[01:26:56] <js> *13"[01:30:03] *** Will07c5_ has joined #haiku[01:33:36] *** js_ has joined #haiku[01:34:11] *** _Vampyre has joined #haiku[01:34:35] *** gwenael_ has joined #haiku[01:35:09] *** js has quit IRC[01:35:15] *** Will07c5 has quit IRC[01:35:16] *** gwenael has quit IRC[01:35:16] *** HeTo has quit IRC[01:35:16] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[01:35:17] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[01:35:17] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[01:35:17] *** js_ is now known as js[01:37:04] *** kirilla has quit IRC[01:37:20] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[01:39:01] *** Cobi has quit IRC[01:39:17] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[01:40:27] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[01:45:52] *** DrHouse|Alma_ has joined #haiku[01:50:04] *** echelog` has joined #haiku[01:50:05] *** DrHouse|Alma has quit IRC[01:50:05] *** WebDawg has quit IRC[01:50:32] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[01:51:58] *** echelog has quit IRC[01:52:02] <js> well, not really netsplit, I guess. timeout AND netsplit, it seems ;)[01:52:02] <augiedoggie> I have no idea which models, I've just heard vague reports from various people[01:52:02] *** Will07c5__ has joined #haiku[01:52:05] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[01:52:15] *** echelog` has quit IRC[01:52:20] *** echelog has joined #haiku[01:52:22] *** Will07c5_ has quit IRC[01:53:40] *** stpere has quit IRC[01:54:17] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[01:56:05] *** WebDawg has joined #haiku[01:56:30] *** stpere has joined #haiku[01:58:25] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:02:48] *** rakshasa_ has joined #haiku[02:03:15] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[02:03:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:03:23] *** titankiller has quit IRC[02:03:24] *** rakshasa has quit IRC[02:03:24] <jrabbit> js: I don't think it is[02:03:25] *** gwenael_ has quit IRC[02:03:25] <jrabbit> iirc[02:03:25] *** titankiller has joined #haiku[02:03:25] *** gwenael has joined #haiku[02:03:38] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[02:03:49] *** CIA-61 has quit IRC[02:03:54] *** rakshasa_ has quit IRC[02:03:54] *** rakshasa_ has joined #haiku[02:05:06] *** CIA-61 has joined #haiku[02:07:47] *** stpere has quit IRC[02:09:43] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:09:50] <js> jrabbit: too bad :([02:09:55] <js> then I need to keep it running in a vm[02:10:20] <jrabbit> js: well jsut bootcamp it if not.[02:10:52] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[02:12:09] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[02:12:15] <jrabbit> i.e. EFI/Refit -> MBR -> Grub -> Haiku[02:12:49] *** mmadia_ has joined #haiku[02:14:32] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:14:34] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[02:16:49] <jrabbit> Have i spammed my revision stability tracker in here recently? :P[02:16:57] *** Suner has joined #haiku[02:20:23] *** stpere has joined #haiku[02:21:04] *** Nozy has quit IRC[02:21:07] *** Cobi has quit IRC[02:23:35] *** luroh has quit IRC[02:24:11] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[02:25:27] <js> hm, library-paths/common is set to /boot/common/lib/gcc4 on a gcc2-hybrid build[02:25:32] <js> but this dir does not exist![02:25:35] <js> a bug?[02:26:06] <augiedoggie> it means you don't have a gcc4 package installed there, so it wasn't created[02:26:29] <augiedoggie> it would be created if you installed one of the gcc4 optional packages[02:26:35] <mmadia_> where's the lib path being read from / determined?[02:26:51] <js> augiedoggie: I have a gcc4 package installed[02:27:10] <js> augiedoggie: the nightly build came with both gccs[02:27:23] <js> mmadia_: /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc/library-paths[02:28:56] <js> ha there is a symlink in /boot/common/lib[02:29:01] <js> gcc4 -> common[02:29:02] <js> this sounds wrong[02:29:20] <mmadia_> augiedoggie , the build system wont automagically relocate libs into subdirs. .. so, if an archive wasnt packaged for a speciic hybrid, then. ... :/[02:29:39] <augiedoggie> yes, I know this[02:30:00] <augiedoggie> js: I'm not talking about the compiler package, I'm talking about a cross compiled optional package[02:30:35] <js> augiedoggie: well it was created[02:30:37] <js> but it was wrong[02:30:56] <js> /boot/commom/lib/gcc4 was a symlink to "common"[02:31:02] <js> not ../common or sth like that, just common[02:31:23] <augiedoggie> I haven't seen that one before[02:34:13] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[02:34:21] <js> btw it would be nice to have an optional package for pkg-config[02:34:27] <js> since there are optional packages that provide .pc files[02:34:52] <js> some .pc files even seem to be in haiku base[02:34:59] <js> like openssl, sqlite3, etc.[02:35:08] <js> so, maybe pkg-config should even be in the developer tools[02:37:15] *** asb has quit IRC[02:37:38] *** asb has joined #haiku[02:37:58] *** mmadia_ has quit IRC[02:38:04] *** nopper has quit IRC[02:38:04] *** diver has quit IRC[02:38:06] *** sigma_g has quit IRC[02:38:06] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[02:38:07] *** auronandace has quit IRC[02:38:13] *** augiedoggie has quit IRC[02:38:14] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[02:38:26] *** auronandace has joined #haiku[02:38:38] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[02:38:42] *** nopper has joined #haiku[02:38:46] *** cpr420 is now known as augiedoggie[02:39:37] *** devine is now known as DDevine[02:39:57] <augiedoggie> there is a package for it, it's just not in the standard set[02:40:09] <augiedoggie> http://ports-space.haiku-files.org/dev-util/[02:40:17] *** sigma_g has joined #haiku[02:41:56] <js> augiedoggie: yeah, I know it's in haikuports[02:42:07] <js> still, if you deliver .pc files in the base set, you should also deliver pkg-config there ;)[02:43:47] <augiedoggie> meh, the .pc files are just along for the ride[02:45:42] <js> yay, I just crashed Haiku by restarting the media server. how do I clean a broken haikuports build?[02:47:48] <js> and -ci clean and then install?[02:48:05] <augiedoggie> I don't remember if it'll let you group switches[02:48:48] <augiedoggie> I didn't word that properly[02:49:16] <augiedoggie> I know you can do "-c -i", don't know about "-ci"[02:49:48] <js> ah, -c is just an option to build it[02:49:51] <js> so clean and build it seems[02:51:47] <js> hm, am I doing something wrong or why does installoptionalpackage complain stuff does not exist while it exists at http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages?[02:54:02] *** CIA-61 has quit IRC[02:54:45] *** CIA-111 has joined #haiku[02:54:52] *** augiedoggie has quit IRC[02:55:09] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[02:55:13] <cpr420> it is tied to the revision of your build[02:55:19] *** cpr420 is now known as augiedoggie[02:55:38] *** deejam has quit IRC[02:55:43] *** deejam has joined #haiku[02:56:30] *** CIA-60 has joined #haiku[02:56:39] *** CIA-111 has left #haiku[02:58:02] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[03:00:38] <js> ah, so because I use nightly, I don't get all packages?[03:00:50] *** PasNox has quit IRC[03:01:00] *** deesharpe has quit IRC[03:01:04] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:01:15] *** deesharpe has joined #haiku[03:01:44] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[03:02:08] *** CIA-60 has quit IRC[03:02:28] <kirilla> It depends on the contents of the installoptionalpackage script and its files[03:02:42] <augiedoggie> you do, but when the build is made it copies a particular package list[03:03:21] <kirilla> I guess each revision has a strict set of packages available to it, specified by its installoptionalpackage script[03:03:39] <kirilla> sort of hardcoded, in each nightly[03:04:21] *** CIA-60 has joined #haiku[03:11:49] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[03:18:12] *** kirilla has quit IRC[03:38:53] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[03:43:25] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[03:50:56] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[03:51:33] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[03:52:05] *** Suner has quit IRC[03:56:17] <js> is there any browser for Haiku supporting HTML5? or some way to watch youtube?[03:57:48] <js> it seems webpositive accepts HTML5, but can't play anything[03:59:52] <augiedoggie> have you tried searching haikuware for youtube?[04:08:46] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[04:09:47] *** Cobi has joined #haiku[04:21:08] <CIA-60> Haiku: kirilla * r41175 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/hta_committer.sh: Add function to update fingerprints. May come in handy some day.[04:24:55] *** auronandace_ has joined #haiku[04:26:47] *** auronandace has quit IRC[04:26:48] *** sigma_g has quit IRC[04:26:49] *** impy has quit IRC[04:26:49] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[04:26:49] *** AmineKha- has joined #haiku[04:30:31] *** sigma_g has joined #haiku[04:37:39] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[04:41:28] *** amo3 has quit IRC[04:44:02] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:47:15] <js> ah, haikuware. didn't know that and bebits seemed dead. thanks augiedoggie![04:54:45] *** bryan_w has quit IRC[04:54:45] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[04:54:46] *** Jessica_lily has quit IRC[04:54:47] *** warthurton has quit IRC[04:54:47] *** telstar has quit IRC[04:55:53] *** warthurton has joined #haiku[04:55:54] *** warthurton has joined #haiku[04:56:37] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[05:00:44] *** CIA-60 has quit IRC[05:00:44] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[05:00:45] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[05:00:45] *** js has quit IRC[05:00:45] *** Nico-izo has quit IRC[05:00:46] *** 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has joined #haiku[07:48:55] *** cprodescu1 has quit IRC[07:55:05] *** Clay has quit IRC[07:56:06] *** graphitemaster has joined #haiku[07:58:12] <graphitemaster> quick dev questions:[07:58:27] <graphitemaster> does SDL work with haiku[07:59:10] <scgtrp> i would be extremely surprised if it didn't[08:00:06] <graphitemaster> also whats the status on the library support for STL / clib?[08:00:20] <graphitemaster> do you have your own in-house implementations or are you borrwoing from GNU ?[08:04:26] <OmniMancer> there is sdl working on haiku[08:04:55] <OmniMancer> the standard libs are a mix of various things[08:05:13] <graphitemaster> 3d graphics acceleration ( any good driver support yet or are we talking silly mesa stuff )[08:06:31] <OmniMancer> remove the word acceleration[08:06:38] <OmniMancer> it is mesa soft pipe[08:06:45] <OmniMancer> gallium is being ported[08:06:49] *** Clay has joined #haiku[08:07:43] <graphitemaster> ouch so no actual 3d abilities[08:07:53] <graphitemaster> at least not without huge performance decline.[08:08:18] <OmniMancer> gallium is being ported[08:08:59] <OmniMancer> 3d isn't exactly important when there are almost no games that you can even consider having on the platform and when making a working OS is top priority[08:09:59] * scgtrp waits for people to start demanding wobbly jello windows that explode on close[08:10:28] <graphitemaster> haha[08:11:53] <scgtrp> hm. haiku's terminal does not seem to like irssi, colors are funky[08:12:55] <OmniMancer> shrug[08:13:06] <OmniMancer> why do you use irssi?[08:13:14] <graphitemaster> why would you now use irssi?[08:13:18] <graphitemaster> s/now/not/[08:13:24] *** Clay has quit IRC[08:13:34] <scgtrp> because i'm used to it, mostly[08:13:36] <OmniMancer> because there is a perfectly good irc client already[08:14:20] <scgtrp> also i like not having to mess with bouncers to stay connected across reboots/operating systems[08:14:53] <OmniMancer> it does that?[08:14:59] <scgtrp> with screen, yes[08:15:22] <OmniMancer> oh you run it remotely?[08:15:24] <scgtrp> hitting ctrl-L after every message makes it almost usable! :D[08:15:28] <scgtrp> yeah[08:15:56] <OmniMancer> ah k[08:16:25] <scgtrp> what is this other irc client, btw? i'm curious now[08:16:54] <GeneralMaximus> Vision[08:17:00] <GeneralMaximus> installoptionalpackage Vision[08:17:20] <graphitemaster> wow[08:17:25] <graphitemaster> installoptionalpackage[08:17:31] <graphitemaster> could it get any longer :P[08:18:13] <scgtrp> inst<tab>o<tab> :P[08:18:18] <GeneralMaximus> graphitemaster: yes :p[08:18:25] <GeneralMaximus> graphitemaster: install-wifi-firmwares.sh[08:18:56] <scgtrp> huh[08:19:00] <scgtrp> "no packages need to be installed"[08:19:16] <graphitemaster> yo-sawg-we-herd-you-liked-long-names-for-package-managers-so-we-put-together-this-long-name-for-a-package-manager-so-you-can-get-a-package-from-your-package-manager Viso[08:19:35] * scgtrp adds an alias for that[08:19:39] <GeneralMaximus> haha[08:19:47] <GeneralMaximus> that isn't a package manager, btw[08:20:00] <GeneralMaximus> it just downloads a zip file and unzips it in the proper location[08:20:14] <OmniMancer> vision is included even in nightlies i believe[08:20:36] <scgtrp> oh! so it is[08:24:32] <scgtrp> doesn't appear to like me[08:24:38] <scgtrp> "USER not enough parameters"[08:25:01] *** MUILTFN has quit IRC[08:26:03] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[08:28:40] * scgtrp telnet irc.freenode.net 6667[08:32:12] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[08:37:10] <graphitemaster> telnet is fine[08:37:19] <graphitemaster> but sending the keep-alive pong is a bitch[08:37:24] <scgtrp> yeah :/[08:38:06] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[08:40:56] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has quit IRC[08:43:47] *** Clay has joined #haiku[08:45:21] <graphitemaster> scgtrp, wrap it up in a python script while parsing the input buffer and checking for PING get it to grab the pid() and write directly into the memory using sbrk(getpid()); assuming you can get the offsets then just handle input to do the same :P[08:45:52] <graphitemaster> that or just use the socket api in python :P or rather write a client in C[08:46:22] <scgtrp> well if i need to do all that i might as well just use a real client[08:46:47] <graphitemaster> yeah but it's not as fun[08:47:13] <scgtrp> true[08:47:23] <graphitemaster> https://github.com/quaker66/qbot ( you can turn this into a client in a hours of work )[08:48:07] <scgtrp> heh, i have my own irc bot ;)[08:48:14] <graphitemaster> what language?[08:48:24] <scgtrp> python[08:48:28] <graphitemaster> eek[08:48:49] <graphitemaster> too easy to make in python[08:48:54] <graphitemaster> C is more of a challange[08:48:59] <scgtrp> heh, i didn't use twisted, just raw sockets[08:49:10] <graphitemaster> yeah I wrote one too using raw sockets[08:49:15] <scgtrp> i think twisted is slightly overengineered tbh[08:49:19] *** adominguez has joined #haiku[08:50:41] <graphitemaster> scgtrp, http://pastebin.com/Kg3K03ya[08:50:52] <GeneralMaximus> at one time, the IRC channel i hang out in had more bots than people :p[08:50:55] <graphitemaster> this was my bot ( this is also the first bit of python code I ever wrote )[08:51:02] <graphitemaster> and the last :P[08:51:24] <scgtrp> heh[08:51:51] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[08:51:52] <scgtrp> mine is more plugin-based[08:53:15] * scgtrp greps for another random // TODO[08:54:56] <graphitemaster> so you work on this os?[08:55:14] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[08:55:51] <scgtrp> i've submitted one patch so far[08:55:59] <scgtrp> also a gsoc application[08:55:59] <graphitemaster> for?[08:56:24] <scgtrp> recognizing funky space characters in the terminal as spaces[08:57:27] <graphitemaster> oh wow.[08:57:36] <graphitemaster> how exactly do you get involved?[08:57:48] <graphitemaster> just make tons of patches until somone says you're good and give you access?[08:58:01] <graphitemaster> you have to love SVN - that era always pissed me off.[08:58:12] <OmniMancer> pretty much[08:58:15] <graphitemaster> git makes it much nicer[08:58:22] <scgtrp> tbh i hate svn, but i suppose there are worse things out there[08:58:24] <graphitemaster> I can just fork and do what I want then link the changes[08:58:29] <scgtrp> hg ftw ;)[08:58:30] <OmniMancer> cvs[08:58:31] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[08:58:36] <graphitemaster> git is win[08:58:50] <graphitemaster> OmniMancer, are you a developer - or are you another bistandard who submits patches?[08:59:27] <OmniMancer> I am not a developer and I don't submit patches[08:59:36] <graphitemaster> so you're a troll?[08:59:46] <OmniMancer> graphitemaster: you sound like a troll[09:00:00] <graphitemaster> I do, must be because I'm new here :P[09:01:33] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:01:56] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[09:01:56] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[09:02:31] <OmniMancer> if you hand out commit access everywhere then code quality is hard to maintain[09:03:02] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[09:03:16] <OmniMancer> also having 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file before[11:21:21] <CIA-34> trying to set the icon attribute. 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The mouse cursor is now the[11:37:16] <CIA-34> anchor when scrolling with the mouse wheel.[11:39:05] <CIA-34> Haiku: stippi * r41181 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[11:39:05] <CIA-34> * Created separate PNG exporters for 16x16, 32x32 and 64x64 sizes.[11:39:05] <CIA-34> * When exporting for the first time, use the native saver's file[11:39:05] <CIA-34> name to initialize the file panel save text.[11:39:06] <CIA-34> * Don't shadow exportMode variable.[11:39:06] <CIA-34> * Small cleanups.[11:40:01] *** deejam has quit IRC[11:40:02] *** {V} has quit IRC[11:40:02] *** surrounder has quit IRC[11:40:03] *** varamuep_ has quit IRC[11:40:03] *** Gareth has quit IRC[11:40:04] *** ivoire has quit IRC[11:41:45] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[11:41:45] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[11:42:50] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[11:43:30] *** varamuep has joined #haiku[11:43:42] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[11:44:37] *** deejam has joined #haiku[11:44:37] *** {V} has joined #haiku[11:44:37] *** ivoire has joined #haiku[11:46:49] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[11:48:05] *** ab5tract has joined #haiku[11:56:49] *** _marc` has quit IRC[11:59:13] <mariuz> Hello ,I will implement the hardware acceleation gallim3d on haiku http://haikuware.com/20110326564/gallium-3d-bounty-welcome-adrian I'm also a student at upm.ro (In Romania)[12:01:18] <mariuz> I will propose one or two tasks for the GSOC that i can implement in that timeframe[12:04:39] <mariuz> I will write on mailing list more about[12:07:01] *** mariuz has quit IRC[12:15:45] *** GedM has joined #haiku[12:16:34] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[12:17:30] *** ianj has joined #haiku[12:19:15] *** AlonzoTG has joined #haiku[12:19:48] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[12:19:58] *** AlonzoTG1 has quit IRC[12:19:58] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[12:20:20] *** codebox has quit IRC[12:22:00] *** The123king has joined #haiku[12:33:45] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[12:33:46] *** surrounder has quit IRC[12:34:00] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[12:36:12] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[12:38:00] *** deejam has quit IRC[12:38:57] *** dheeraj has quit IRC[12:39:04] *** rakshasa__ has joined #haiku[12:43:42] *** rakshasa__ has quit IRC[12:43:52] *** Nico-izo has joined #haiku[12:54:20] *** Stellar has quit IRC[12:54:55] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[12:56:14] *** Advant has quit IRC[12:59:39] *** MUILTFN has quit IRC[13:04:16] *** deejam has joined #haiku[13:05:29] *** titankiller has joined #haiku[13:06:33] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[13:07:49] *** diver has joined #haiku[13:09:37] *** DraX has joined #haiku[13:09:37] *** DraX has joined #haiku[13:10:02] *** Ged__ has joined #haiku[13:10:40] *** jstressman1 has joined #haiku[13:11:30] *** titankiller has quit IRC[13:12:11] *** ianj has quit IRC[13:12:11] *** Stellar has quit IRC[13:12:11] *** The123king has quit IRC[13:12:12] *** escoload_ has quit IRC[13:12:12] *** DraX_ has quit IRC[13:12:12] *** Clay has quit IRC[13:12:13] *** jstressman has quit IRC[13:12:13] *** GedM has quit IRC[13:12:15] *** CIA-34 has quit IRC[13:12:15] *** The123king1 has joined #haiku[13:12:32] *** elliott__ has quit IRC[13:13:05] *** elliott__ has joined #haiku[13:14:14] *** CIA-76 has joined #haiku[13:21:09] *** ab5tract has quit IRC[13:23:13] *** Jessica_lily has quit IRC[13:30:00] *** Clay has joined #haiku[13:33:42] *** Ingenu_ has joined #haiku[13:33:46] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[13:37:04] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:37:04] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[13:37:05] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[13:37:06] *** CIA-76 has quit IRC[13:37:10] *** escoloader has joined #haiku[13:37:10] *** CIA-81 has joined #haiku[13:43:54] *** |WiZ| has joined #haiku[13:44:24] <js> how much work would it be to make webpositive html5-compliant? it scores very badly at html5test.com. I guess it's just an ancient webkit that needs updating?[13:45:36] *** Stellar has joined #haiku[13:46:42] <HeTo> depends on the week whose HTML 5 you compare to[13:51:12] <OmniMancer1> js: one the webkit probably is a bit behind but also there is a lot of other work involved[13:51:20] <OmniMancer1> especially for video tags[13:51:34] *** varamuep has quit IRC[13:52:43] *** varamuep has joined #haiku[13:53:32] <js> what work would that be for video output? provide functions to actually output something?[13:57:59] <OmniMancer1> no[13:58:07] <OmniMancer1> all the decoding stuff must be done[13:58:27] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has joined #haiku[13:58:29] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:58:30] <jrabbit> Theres libraries for that, and doesn't Haiku have a mediaserver?[13:58:46] <OmniMancer1> yes but the design is not streaming friendly[13:58:51] <OmniMancer1> this must be fixed[13:59:45] <OmniMancer1> anyway its work that must be done[13:59:56] <OmniMancer1> but everyone expects this to just work[14:00:07] <OmniMancer1> and when the work must be done no one wants to do it[14:07:14] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[14:07:32] *** kPb_in has joined #haiku[14:08:19] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[14:12:32] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[14:12:32] *** AmineKhaldi has joined #haiku[14:26:21] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[14:28:35] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:41:40] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[15:08:59] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has joined #haiku[15:09:46] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:11:02] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has quit IRC[15:16:11] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[15:17:17] *** elliott__ has quit IRC[15:17:31] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has quit IRC[15:18:12] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has joined #haiku[15:20:23] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:22:04] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has quit IRC[15:23:07] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[15:24:50] *** elliott__ has joined #haiku[15:26:26] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[15:27:21] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[15:27:43] *** kr1stof_ has quit IRC[15:33:27] *** dru_ has joined #haiku[15:38:26] *** Nozy has quit IRC[15:40:53] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:41:53] *** negusnyul has joined #haiku[15:48:16] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[15:56:49] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[15:59:01] *** Ged__ is now known as GedMurphy[16:06:14] *** redblue has quit IRC[16:06:15] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:06:16] *** HeTo has quit IRC[16:06:16] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[16:06:16] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[16:06:16] *** valraven_ has quit IRC[16:06:17] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[16:06:17] *** js has quit IRC[16:06:17] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[16:06:23] *** bjw_ has quit IRC[16:07:05] *** bjw__ has joined #haiku[16:07:26] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** valraven_ has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** js has joined #haiku[16:07:27] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[16:09:58] <The123king1> does haiku support scripting things at the end of the shutdown procedure?[16:12:52] <The123king1> i'm working on designing a Mac-like package manager and want to see how i could use it to update Haiku[16:14:40] <Teknomancer> I think there are shutdown scripts[16:14:44] <Teknomancer> I forget the locations now[16:15:13] <The123king1> D:[16:18:23] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[16:19:27] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:19:28] *** HeTo has quit IRC[16:19:28] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[16:19:28] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[16:19:28] *** valraven_ has quit IRC[16:19:29] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[16:19:29] *** js has quit IRC[16:19:29] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[16:19:56] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[16:19:56] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[16:19:56] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[16:19:56] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[16:19:56] *** valraven_ has joined #haiku[16:19:56] *** P1ersson has joined #haiku[16:19:56] *** js has joined #haiku[16:19:56] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[16:21:53] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[16:22:54] <js> is there some Xserver for Haiku btw, like the one for OS X? So I can use ssh -X?[16:25:39] <mmu_man> there is an old X server on bebits for BeOS[16:27:12] <helf> ick[16:27:30] *** kurain has joined #haiku[16:27:43] <kurain> hello all[16:28:20] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[16:28:20] *** GedMurphy has joined #haiku[16:30:33] *** ab5tract has joined #haiku[16:33:29] *** mariuz has joined #haiku[16:38:29] *** ab5tract has quit IRC[16:44:03] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[16:49:20] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[16:56:43] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[16:58:04] <js> mmu_man: does it still work?[17:02:28] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has joined #haiku[17:03:43] <mmu_man> it should[17:03:47] <mmu_man> but it's old and slow[17:11:23] *** ulterior has joined #haiku[17:16:00] *** steinseba has quit IRC[17:16:25] <js> hm, yes, it starts up[17:16:30] <js> but it seems it refuses all connections :/[17:17:51] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[17:17:54] *** Colin_Finck|lap is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[17:18:11] *** Colin_Finck|afk has joined #haiku[17:18:48] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck|lap[17:19:47] <mmu_man> xhost +[17:19:51] *** DrHouse|Alma__ has left #haiku[17:20:36] *** mariuz has left #haiku[17:24:12] <js> is there a way to get a list of files installed by a .pkg file or uninstall it?[17:25:06] <js> mmu_man: already tried that, was the first thing I tried[17:25:06] <js> it complains about not being able to get the lock in the .Xauthority file[17:28:05] *** DrHouse|Hyperion has joined #haiku[17:29:00] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has quit IRC[17:29:22] <mmu_man> reminds me of something[17:29:30] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has joined #haiku[17:29:42] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[17:30:17] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[17:31:40] *** GedMurphy has quit IRC[17:31:52] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[17:33:30] <js> but it creates an .Xauthority-c file[17:36:02] <CIA-81> Haiku: stippi * r41182 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/generic/gui/scrollview/ScrollView.cpp: Fixed buffer overrun, CID 4338.[17:36:31] *** michaelvo has joined #haiku[17:37:30] <js> hm, xhost is rejected as well[17:37:42] <js> wasn't there some flag to tell the Xserver to allow all incoming connections?[17:38:22] <js> ah, -ac :)[17:38:52] <js> lol, -ac and then xhost crashes it[17:39:21] <js> ok, every X11 client that terminates crashes it -.-[17:40:05] <js> how do I list the contents of a .pkg file so I can cleanly uninstall X11?[17:40:30] <js> found a .pdb file installed[17:40:33] <js> but this seems to be binary[17:41:48] *** The123king1 has quit IRC[17:43:05] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:43:56] *** _taos_ has quit IRC[17:44:41] <js> strings on the .pdb file works pretty well :)[17:44:45] *** _taos_ has joined #haiku[17:45:06] *** Will07c5__ has joined #haiku[17:46:35] *** Will07c5 has joined #haiku[17:46:53] <CIA-81> Haiku: stippi * r41183 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/import_export/styled_text/StyledTextImporter.cpp: Removed dead code (CID 2858).[17:47:30] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[17:47:41] <Dane__> Scenario...[17:49:02] <Dane__> I transfer MP3 files via FTP from Windows to BeOS. The MP3 files arrive in BeOS with generic mimetypes. I try open-with, Filetypes, and they're all "octet stream." Any idea what I can do to correct that?[17:49:29] <Dane__> I know I can change them in Filetypes.[17:49:43] *** Will07c5__ has quit IRC[17:49:59] <Dane__> But I am assuming they shouldn't be octet stream to start with.[17:50:39] <Dane__> Is something weird happening during FTP transfer? Is there a best transfer method to use?[17:50:48] <Dane__> for example, binary vs ascii or something?[17:51:31] <Dane__> mmu_man Any opinions on that? Or Teknomancer?[17:51:37] <Dane__> brb[17:52:15] <mmu_man> Dane__: you must force binary transfers[17:52:31] <mmu_man> windows (and OSX I found) command line FTP client use ASCII by default[17:52:37] <mmu_man> so they screw up all binary transfers[17:52:39] <mmu_man> just type:[17:52:41] <mmu_man> BIN[17:52:50] <mmu_man> before doing PUT or whatever command[17:53:00] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[17:53:12] <mmu_man> I screwed up several GB of files some time ago due to this[17:54:22] <Dane__> mmu_man I'm using FileZilla and "auto" for transfer type.[17:54:43] <Dane__> Would it default to BIN, do you think?[17:54:57] * Dane__ will try forcing BIN[17:57:17] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:59:26] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[18:03:32] *** michaelvo has quit IRC[18:08:32] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[18:10:37] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[18:13:56] *** kurain has quit IRC[18:14:22] *** _marc` has quit IRC[18:19:12] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:22:26] *** 77CAAFK31 has joined #haiku[18:26:51] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:27:28] *** 77CAAFK31 has quit IRC[18:28:02] *** cprodescu has joined #haiku[18:38:21] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has quit IRC[18:41:59] <js> mmu_man: it's definitely binary by default on OS X.[18:42:22] <js> btw, does someone know where is_computer_on_fire() is defined?[18:42:27] <js> I'd like to know what the value is it returns[18:43:14] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has joined #haiku[18:43:32] <idefix_xifedi> js: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/search?q=&defs=is_computer_on_fire&refs=&path=&hist=[18:44:34] <mmu_man> js: at least when using it with dl.free.fr it's ascii by default[18:44:40] <js> ah, ok, so it is indeed a constant[18:44:41] <js> random would be funnier :)[18:45:04] <js> mmu_man: even then, OS X is a system that handles text and binary the same way[18:45:04] <js> :)[18:45:06] <mmu_man> js: on ftpperso.free.fr it's binary but it seems the server sends the command itself[18:45:22] <js> might be different on the remote server, though, if it is running windows[18:45:25] <mmu_man> js: still, I did screw up a few 2GB files due to this[18:50:59] <mmu_man> js: just see for yourself: sudo tcpdump -X -v -v tcp port ftp[18:51:23] <mmu_man> ftpperso.free.fr answers to SYST with 215 UNIX Type: L8[18:51:28] <mmu_man> which sets the type to BIN[18:51:33] <mmu_man> but dl.free.fr doesn't[18:51:39] <mmu_man> and it sticks to the default then[18:51:41] <mmu_man> which is ascii[18:51:59] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:52:30] <mmu_man> cf. http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html[18:53:27] <js> http://i55.tinypic.com/2llbxpe.png <- WTF?[18:54:40] <js> what the fuck went wrong there? :)[18:54:52] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:56:14] <mmu_man> string magic[18:56:33] <js> is this on purpose to be funny? ;)[18:56:48] <js> like is_computer_on() and is_computer_on_fire()? ;)[18:57:40] <mmu_man> probably missing translation[19:00:22] *** lorglas has quit IRC[19:01:48] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[19:03:35] <rakshasa_> .[19:04:34] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[19:04:35] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[19:06:18] *** rakshasa_ has quit IRC[19:09:05] *** adominguez has quit IRC[19:17:40] *** duvjones has quit IRC[19:21:55] <GeneralMaximus> js: nah, you're probably trying to muck with the system files there[19:21:57] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[19:22:15] <GeneralMaximus> js: seems like something is wrong with the translations there, though[19:22:28] *** |WiZ| has quit IRC[19:25:03] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[19:25:45] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[19:29:08] *** MUILTFN has joined #haiku[19:31:04] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:32:36] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:36:13] <CIA-81> Haiku: humdinger * r41184 /haiku/trunk/src/ (9 files in 9 dirs): Changed a few strings as discussed on the i18n mailing list. Added localization of license descriptions in AboutSystem.[19:36:25] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:41:50] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[19:43:39] *** jstressman1 is now known as jstressman[19:46:55] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:47:57] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[19:48:11] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[19:54:20] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[20:03:01] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:06:55] *** escoloader has quit IRC[20:08:22] *** curlyman has joined #haiku[20:09:27] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[20:11:31] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:12:27] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[20:31:03] <CIA-81> wxWidgets Toolkit for Haiku: siarzhuk * r31 /wx/trunk/ (326 files in 165 dirs): - merging vendor 2.8.11 -> 2.8.12 changes.[20:37:22] *** impy has joined #haiku[20:41:35] *** enterneo has joined #haiku[20:50:10] <js> what would I use instead of LD_PRELOAD?[20:52:50] <js> I'm trying to play doom, but it complains about missing errno, so I wanted to try just preloading a .so file defining errno[20:54:30] *** Advant has joined #haiku[21:00:58] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:04:05] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:04:59] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:06:47] *** MUILTFN has quit IRC[21:10:50] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[21:12:26] <Nico-izo> hurray! i have build qutIM for Haiku![21:14:14] <ulterior> Nico-izo: win[21:14:27] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[21:14:59] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:15:19] <Nico-izo> yeees, epic win[21:15:46] * js is building his own XMPP client :P[21:17:59] *** DrHouse|Kerrigan has quit IRC[21:28:50] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[21:29:34] *** Pinaraf has joined #haiku[21:30:42] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[21:30:49] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:32:24] <leszek> hi[21:34:45] *** amo3 has joined #haiku[21:43:22] *** xplt has joined #haiku[21:45:26] <Nico-izo> http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/11/0404/h_1301945334_6d0e0edc33.png[21:47:11] <kallisti5> Nico-izo: so i guess you got qt compiled? 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