April 2, 2011 
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April 2, 2011 [00:00:30] *** xplt has joined #haiku[00:05:24] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[00:05:47] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[00:08:18] <js> is there a way to tell the terminal to set TERM to xterm-color by default?[00:08:27] <js> I hate having to type export TERM=xterm-color each time I want to use vim…[00:09:05] *** ana_s has joined #haiku[00:09:22] <mmu_man> js: you can edit your .profile or .bashrc I suppose[00:09:38] <mmu_man> but it's hackish since it'd overwrite whatever ssh or other terminals would set[00:09:40] <js> not a clean way[00:09:45] <js> exactly[00:09:48] <js> and it will break screen[00:10:04] <js> but why does it say it's xterm even if it supports colors?[00:10:04] <mmu_man> righto[00:10:20] <mmu_man> probably cause noone changed it since we added color support[00:10:48] <js> can someone change it please? :)[00:10:50] <mmu_man> you can send a patch[00:10:51] <mmu_man> src/apps/terminal/Shell.cpp:setenv("TERM", "xterm", true)[00:11:13] <mmu_man> now, not sure xterm-color is only about colors...[00:11:14] <js> really, send in a patch for that simple change? would be faster if someone just did it ;)[00:11:22] <mmu_man> at least it's supposed to handle 256c IIRC[00:11:29] <js> not yet supported by our term?[00:11:42] <mmu_man> not sure[00:11:49] <mmu_man> I think I saw some stuff for this[00:12:06] <brechtm> I think it does, but not all 256 colors are defined[00:12:46] <mmu_man> now, xterm is supposed tohandle colors too[00:12:51] <mmu_man> just only 8 or 16[00:13:00] <mmu_man> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/katz/unix-colors.html[00:13:38] <mmu_man> but maybe it's just our terminfo which is broken[00:13:46] <mmu_man> BeOS used to have its own beterm[00:14:06] *** xplt has quit IRC[00:14:25] <js> hm, then our termcaps are wrong[00:14:28] <js> which say no colors for xterm[00:15:15] *** fengshaun has joined #haiku[00:16:46] <HeTo> some Unix systems have a black-and-white xterm termcap entry too, with an xtermc or xterm-color entry for the coloured version[00:17:15] <HeTo> makes sense considering there have been machines running X on monochrome display adapters[00:17:30] <mmu_man> http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#xterm_terminfo[00:17:36] <js> mmu_man: are we too incompatible to beterm?[00:17:54] <mmu_man> possibly[00:17:56] <HeTo> I'd rather not claim something exotic like that[00:18:12] <HeTo> you'll end up having to copy the entry to whatever systems you connect to[00:18:15] <mmu_man> not even sure our terminfo still has beterm[00:18:52] <mmu_man> The xterm-color value for $TERM is a bad choice for modern xterm because it is commonly used for a terminfo entry which happens to not support bce.[00:20:01] <js> do we support bce?[00:20:10] <HeTo> I wonder if the TERM values are supposed to be standardised[00:20:27] <mmu_man> dunno[00:20:35] <mmu_man> js: just post on the list[00:20:43] <mmu_man> so those who worked on Terminal can tell you[00:20:57] <HeTo> it doesn't look like any standardisation effort has been effective, at least[00:21:13] <mmu_man> anyway we will switch to emacs as terminal in R1[00:22:12] <js> not subscribed to the list[00:22:15] <js> maybe that's something to change[00:22:17] <js> which list would that be?[00:22:30] <js> mmu_man: to emacs as terminal? WTF?[00:22:43] <js> april 1st?[00:22:45] <ana_s> is the RamFS in haiku similar to the one in debian?[00:23:46] <kirilla> debian.. Is that like.. Ubuntu ;P[00:24:10] <js> btw, is there some way to get sound in haiku in vmware?[00:24:13] <mmu_man> js: oh right, I should post it as news item[00:24:22] <mmu_man> damn, it's 2nd now here[00:24:26] <js> heh :)[00:24:27] <js> same here[00:24:31] <kirilla> ana_s: in what sense?[00:24:32] <js> but it was a joke, right?[00:24:36] <mmu_man> not yet inthe US[00:24:49] <js> you are 25 min too late where I live :)[00:25:36] <ana_s> in the sense that is it also implemented to store memory caches in filesystem?[00:26:31] <kirilla> ana_s: I would think it's a ram disk.. a volume you can use for storage which is not backed by anything but RAM.. ephemeral, volatile[00:27:24] <kirilla> ana_s: I'm not familiar with the debian ramfs, so I can't compare[00:27:50] <kirilla> ana_s: you can search the source here: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/ramfs/[00:28:02] <ana_s> does it export haiku's disk cacheing mechanisms?[00:28:07] <ana_s> ya i got the source[00:28:38] <ana_s> i need a filesystem for cacheing data[00:28:48] <kirilla> ana_s: I don't know.. It doesn't seem part of a standard build[00:29:00] <js> hm, http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/vmware says vmware should support sound on haiku[00:29:00] <kirilla> so maybe it's outdated in some way[00:29:08] <js> do I need some special entries in my vmware config for it to work?[00:29:17] <ana_s> ok thanks for your help, i'll try and glean sth from the code :)[00:29:47] <kirilla> ana_s: you mean you want to look at how a filesystem should do caching?[00:30:03] <ana_s> yes[00:30:17] *** xplt has joined #haiku[00:30:17] <ana_s> i'm working on IMAP FS[00:31:29] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[00:32:02] <kirilla> so you probably don't meant the block or file cache then; I suppose[00:32:40] <kirilla> the cdda-fs does storage, in a folder on /boot, while being virtual otherwise[00:33:06] <kirilla> It's a kernel-side filesystem though.[00:33:18] <ana_s> ok[00:33:36] <kirilla> I guess a userland-fs filesystem is free to do storage any way it pleases[00:34:11] *** dak has quit IRC[00:34:12] <kirilla> not that all ways are desirable, but all the usual userlands APIs are available[00:37:51] *** ana_s has quit IRC[00:38:15] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:42:12] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has joined #haiku[00:45:17] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has quit IRC[00:47:29] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:48:53] *** brechtm has quit IRC[00:53:42] <js> what's the best way to open a new tab in webpositive if you don't have a 3rd mouse button?[00:56:40] *** MAX2 has joined #haiku[00:57:38] <mmadia_> js -- either ALT+T or right click a link[00:57:48] *** mmadia_ is now known as mmadia[01:02:21] *** DiGiTal has joined #haiku[01:03:19] <js> I meant like I want to open a link in a new tab[01:03:25] <js> most browsers offer ctrl-click on other OSes[01:03:34] <js> I'm looking for something similar :)[01:05:14] <scgtrp> not middle click?[01:05:45] <scgtrp> oh, my compile actually finished before i fell asleep. wheee[01:07:09] <js> scgtrp: no 3rd mouse button[01:07:44] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[01:07:56] <scgtrp> (i'm not sure if that works in webpositive anyway, was talking about other OSes)[01:08:19] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has quit IRC[01:11:39] <kirilla> I like OSNews subtle april 1st joke :)[01:12:01] <js> btw, does haiku just have a very good touchpad driver that even supports the apple-style scrolling where it still scrolls when your fingers are not on the touchpad anymore and you gave it a good push or is that copied from my OS X installation from vmware? it feels so ... natural :)[01:13:24] <js> the only thing I'm missing is smooth scrolling, ie not scroll 10 pixels or so but be more sensitive and scroll one :)[01:15:39] <kirilla> I hate smooth scrolling.. at least the way it used to feel[01:17:43] <js> have you ever seen how apple does scrolling on a touchpad?[01:18:04] <js> for a touchpad, this is really nice and once you got used to it, you never wanna miss it. but for a mouse, I agree[01:19:32] <kirilla> I haven't used OSX in a while[01:22:19] <scgtrp> does haiku support widescreen resolutions?[01:22:44] <mmu> if your VESA BIOS publishes it...[01:23:22] <scgtrp> (in vbox)[01:23:49] <kirilla> scgtrp: it depends on what video hardware virtualbox emulates[01:24:26] <mmadia> iirc, there was a post to one of the mailing lists on how to get widescreen support in vbox.[01:25:34] <scgtrp> mouse pointer integration would be nice too, guess i know what i'm doing for summer of code[01:29:14] <kirilla> mmu:didn't you work on virtualbox integration?[01:29:39] <helfujitsu> i dont like smooth scrolling specially in text editors[01:29:44] <helfujitsu> i want it to scroll a line at a time :p[01:31:29] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:33:36] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has joined #haiku[01:37:07] <kirilla> anybody got any tips on how to multiboot Haiku and Windows7[01:38:34] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has joined #haiku[01:40:59] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has quit IRC[01:43:22] <mmadia> dd if=/dev/zero of=<disk containing windows> ; dd if=haiku.image of=<empty disk, now worthy of Haiku> :P[01:44:44] <scgtrp> heh[01:45:21] <kirilla> yeah..[01:45:44] <kirilla> sadly there's a website or two I need frickin' IE for. P[01:45:53] <scgtrp> websites like that still exist[01:45:54] <scgtrp> ?[01:46:01] <kirilla> sort of[01:46:22] <scgtrp> screw vbox support, can i go set them on fire as my summer of code project? ;)[01:46:44] <mmadia> applications are open until the 8th.[01:47:10] <vooshy> kirilla: my tips are - make sure you have partition editor and bootmanager ready. MBR will bound to go wrong at some point while setting up.[01:47:22] <scgtrp> i know, i have not yet written mine (got distracted compiling haiku then fell asleep)[01:47:30] <DiGiTal> setpriority is already implemented in the last Haiku alpha?[01:48:22] <mmadia> DiGiTal : the last alpha is nearly a year old. at this point, it's better to use a newer nightly image -- http://www.haiku-files.org/raw[01:48:56] <mmu> kirilla yep[01:49:23] <kirilla> mmu: scgtrp stated he wanted to work on vbox pointer integration[01:49:45] <scgtrp> ... it occurs to me that i didn't have to compile all of haiku for this.[01:51:56] <js> scgtrp: works in vmware just fine[01:52:39] <kirilla> DiGiTal: http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheKernelKit_ThreadsAndTeams.html#suggest_thread_priority[01:52:47] <scgtrp> really? did you have to install... whatever vmware has like vbox's guest additions?[01:52:58] <kirilla> DiGiTal: and http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/search?q=SetPriority[01:53:04] <DiGiTal> I have build a from repository[01:53:17] <DiGiTal> thx kirilla[01:53:41] <kirilla> np, DiGiTal. Hang on to the URLs. They're useful.[01:54:03] <DiGiTal> I have comment the setpriority command lines[01:54:10] <DiGiTal> and works[01:54:35] <DiGiTal> I am trying to port KDE to Haiku[01:55:02] <DiGiTal> and create a new trunk HaikuQT[01:55:15] <kirilla> DiGiTal: http://qt-haiku.ru/[01:55:21] <DiGiTal> yes I know[01:55:25] <kirilla> ah, good :)[01:55:31] <DiGiTal> I download the qt libs from this siete[01:55:34] <DiGiTal> site[01:56:49] <DiGiTal> port KDE to Haiku is a temporal solution while the community continue developing new applications and improving the interface[01:58:06] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:58:10] <DiGiTal> kirilla, do you think if is a good idea create a empty setpriority function in the Haiku kernel?[01:59:27] <kirilla> why not use the syscall and/or function in libbe or wrap that in your qt/kde Haiku glue code?[01:59:51] <kirilla> It's already there, so why create another syscall?[02:00:01] *** vooshy has quit IRC[02:00:16] <DiGiTal> because I am lazy[02:00:27] <DiGiTal> :P[02:00:31] <kirilla> seems like more work to me[02:01:22] <DiGiTal> kirilla you are a real Haiku guru![02:02:04] <kirilla> heh.. guru might be overstating it :)[02:03:07] <DiGiTal> kirilla do you if haiku community have support from Google?[02:04:01] <kirilla> I do know that the project is on a good standing with Google (at least the Summer of Code)[02:04:15] <kirilla> you mean financially?[02:04:22] <DiGiTal> yes[02:04:27] <DiGiTal> or help[02:04:40] <kirilla> I don't think Google has donated anything to Haiku Inc, as such.[02:04:55] <DiGiTal> Haiku have a lot of posibilities[02:05:03] <bjw_> DiGiTal, using X11?[02:05:13] <DiGiTal> no[02:05:17] <DiGiTal> Haiku[02:05:19] <bjw_> pretty cool[02:05:21] <mmadia> only the $500 per mentored student in GSoC and some travel reimbursement for mentors who've attended the Mentor Summit.[02:05:35] <DiGiTal> Haiku don't use X[02:05:57] <bjw_> nice[02:05:59] <DiGiTal> Google Summer Camp[02:06:03] <DiGiTal> yeah[02:17:20] <js> btw, is there any IPv6 support in haiku?[02:17:23] <js> at least, there's sockaddr_in6[02:17:48] *** kirilla has quit IRC[02:20:11] <mmadia> kallisti5[02:21:15] <mmadia> js ipv6 was mostly finished as part of gsoc2010.[02:25:33] <js> mmadia: hm, and how would I use it? ifconfig does not seem to know anything about inet6[02:32:21] <mmadia> you may need to edit build/jam/HaikuImage to uncomment the ipv6* bits[02:32:44] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has joined #haiku[02:36:39] <js> ah, ok[02:36:45] *** DrHouse|Aribeth has quit IRC[02:36:47] <js> btw, how do you guys watch youtube on haiku?[02:36:54] <js> it seems html5 is not supported by webpositive :([02:37:16] <js> is gnash ported or something?[02:37:55] <mmadia> ... i cheat and use android/iOS[02:38:46] * scgtrp attempts to figure out how to get a patch out of vbox[02:38:46] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[02:39:55] *** DiGiTal has quit IRC[02:40:10] * kallisti5 puts on his ipv6 hat[02:40:41] <kallisti5> ipv6: mostly finished... querky after some recent changes axel made to the network stack.[02:40:43] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/kallisti5/2010-07-20_gsoc_initial_ipv6_code_now_trunk[02:41:49] <scgtrp> i appear to have no web browser here, or i don't know what it's called[02:41:50] <kallisti5> eg... it needs some love before it can be included in images by default[02:42:05] <kallisti5> scgtrp: installoptionalpacakges -l is good[02:42:25] <kallisti5> scgtrp: then installoptionalpackage -a webpositive[02:42:33] <scgtrp> oh, shiny. thanks[02:42:55] <kallisti5> thank mmadia ... he's the one who made it :)[02:43:19] <kallisti5> it's our half-assed apt-get for now :D[02:43:23] <scgtrp> hehe[02:43:27] * mmadia still amazed at the "success" of that script.[02:43:27] <js> scgtrp: installoptionalpackage -a webpositive[02:43:39] <scgtrp> mmadia: thanks for not making me type out a tarball by hand![02:43:45] <kallisti5> lol[02:43:50] <js> oops, kallisti5 already wrote it[02:44:16] <kallisti5> here... motivation.. http://goo.gl/aZkpC[02:44:31] <kallisti5> working on (cough compiling) radeon_hd stuff[02:44:37] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2011-04-01_switch_xemacs_and_fish[02:44:38] <scgtrp> haiku's equivalent of alt-tab?[02:44:39] <mmu_man> btw :p[02:44:45] <mmu_man> scgtrp: ctrl-tab[02:45:07] <scgtrp> seems to only switch between two windows[02:45:27] <kallisti5> mmu_man: i don't get it[02:45:35] <kallisti5> mmu_man: "On this first of April," published 04/02[02:45:48] * scgtrp teleports kallisti5 to EST[02:45:50] <scgtrp> fixed![02:46:04] <mmadia> where'd you see 04/02, kallisti5?[02:46:15] <kallisti5> at the top[02:46:31] <kallisti5> "News posted on Sat, 2011-04-02 00:11"[02:46:38] <kallisti5> you were 11 minutes too late :D[02:46:59] <mmu_man> kallisti5: actually 2h :p[02:47:06] <mmu_man> depends on the timezone[02:47:11] <kallisti5> anyway... nice trollbait with the zeta menu stripes :P[02:47:26] <kallisti5> ... and dano[02:47:46] * scgtrp successfully creates first patch after 15 hours of work[02:48:31] <kallisti5> scgtrp: sweet! for 15 hours of work I hope it's over 100 lines[02:48:33] <kallisti5> :P[02:48:36] * mmadia grabs a bag of wraith enzyme.[02:48:49] <mmu_man> beware it's adictive[02:48:52] <scgtrp> kallisti5: no (and most of that was actually just reading reddit and sleeping while waiting for everything to compile)[02:49:15] <kallisti5> scgtrp: aah ok.[02:49:32] <scgtrp> also svn checkout over the world's slowest cable connection[02:50:10] *** cfdrake has joined #haiku[02:50:12] <scgtrp> http://slexy.org/raw/s20ecdwbcl << anything obviously wrong?[02:50:33] <kallisti5> spaces![02:50:35] <kallisti5> SPACES![02:50:44] <scgtrp> ???[02:51:00] <scgtrp> ahh, tabs got spaceified when i copied out of the terminal ><[02:51:02] <scgtrp> hang on[02:51:06] <kallisti5> :)[02:51:25] <scgtrp> anything obviously wrong besides the horrible indentation practices? ;)[02:51:43] * kallisti5 is browsing[02:51:55] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[02:52:05] <kallisti5> UTF8Char needs a newline above it[02:52:15] <kallisti5> two newlines between functions[02:52:27] <kallisti5> .. it also needs one below it[02:52:59] <scgtrp> really? nothing else in that file did that[02:53:08] <kallisti5> trust me[02:53:16] <kallisti5> i've been yelled at enough :P[02:53:27] * kallisti5 shakes like a chihuahua[02:53:39] * scgtrp was just following how the rest of the file was formatted[02:53:46] <kallisti5> i used to try that[02:53:57] * kallisti5 pulls up the ML archives[02:54:56] <mmadia> in short, the devs really enjoy code that conforms to the coding style guidelines.[02:55:24] <kallisti5> lol @ mmadia[02:55:36] * scgtrp waits for svn to generate a patch, again[02:56:23] <kallisti5> mmadia: enjoy is a nice way to put it :)[02:56:38] <mmadia> ;)[02:57:01] <kallisti5> scgtrp: don't worry too much though... if you are putting it in the bug tracker... the commiter should will review and correct[02:57:14] <kallisti5> scgtrp: as long as it's *almost* right[02:57:31] <kallisti5> scgtrp: if it is *really* bad though it might delay it's acceptance[02:57:45] <scgtrp> http://slexy.org/raw/s2LULwYxWK now with tab-shaped tabs![02:57:58] <kallisti5> scgtrp: were the tabs set to 4 spaces?[02:58:21] <kallisti5> eg.. a tab == 4 spaces.. not 4 actual spaces :)[02:58:34] <kallisti5> it looks right now though[02:58:46] <scgtrp> yeah, for some reason i thought copying it from the terminal would be a good idea instead of piping svn diff's output to a file and copying from there[02:59:02] <scgtrp> it's correct in the source code itself ;)[02:59:19] <kallisti5> scgtrp: you don't *have* to correct other spots... but it is a nice gesture[02:59:49] <kallisti5> scgtrp: the rule is if you can see style mistakes in the diff... even if they aren't yours... you will get hollered at :)[03:01:11] <kallisti5> while the terminal is on the chopping block.. anyone know why the '~' key has to be hit twice to register?[03:01:42] <scgtrp> kallisti5: it seems to be interpreted as a combining character. ~ followed by a produces ã[03:02:00] <kallisti5> hmm[03:02:05] <kallisti5> that kind of makes sense[03:02:11] <scgtrp> for some values of 'sense'[03:02:20] <kallisti5> except when i want to go home :([03:02:20] <scgtrp> not how i'd expect it to work, of course[03:02:28] <scgtrp> 'cd' on its own takes you to ~[03:02:38] <kallisti5> yeah... but thats one more character[03:02:45] <scgtrp> ?[03:02:50] <kallisti5> and what about ~/config/awesome[03:03:15] <scgtrp> 'cd' is not longer than 'cd ~'[03:03:35] <scgtrp> ~/config/awesome is a problem[03:04:10] <kallisti5> who just cd's to ~ though? :P[03:04:35] * kallisti5 changes to away from desk before he gets attacked[03:04:58] * scgtrp changes the home folder character to ☃[03:05:00] <scgtrp> fixed![03:05:05] * scgtrp is helpful today.[03:06:46] <scgtrp> there doesn't seem to be an open bug for this (i just grep'd the source tree for TODO and hit ^C at a random point)[03:07:03] <scgtrp> is it preferred to open one and attach the patch, or just send it to someone/the mailing list?[03:07:03] <mmadia> i cd ~ a lot.[03:07:19] <mmadia> it's best to use Trac, scgtrp.[03:07:40] <mmadia> otherwise, patches may get buried in people's mailboxes.[03:07:59] <spvensko_> does the lack of consistency in capitalization in /Home bother anyone else? or is it just me?[03:08:46] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[03:17:34] <mmadia> spvensko_ : at least some of it needs to stay for legacy. eg Desktop, config.[03:17:41] *** cprodescu has quit IRC[03:18:03] <scgtrp> wheee[03:18:19] <mmadia> scgtrp : can you add gsoc2011 as a keyword to #7423?[03:18:20] <spvensko_> mmadia, ahhh! *slowly pulls hair out*[03:18:48] <scgtrp> mmadia: done[03:19:04] *** ana_s has joined #haiku[03:19:17] <mmadia> thanks.[03:19:36] <mmadia> hi ana_s. did you get your information about Haiku's RamFS?[03:20:36] <ana_s> yes[03:20:45] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[03:22:19] <ana_s> on a related note can you tell me how to debug with userlandFS[03:22:51] <ana_s> AFAIK there was a fs debug tool http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/tests/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/fs_shell/[03:23:05] <ana_s> is that it?[03:24:52] <mmadia> that seems to be an older test.[03:25:01] <mmadia> what about UserlandFS do you want to debug?[03:25:41] <ana_s> as in I have a filesystem written with userlandFS, i want to see all the kernel calls[03:25:54] <mmadia> maybe trunk/build/config_headers/* may be useful[03:27:01] <mmadia> or the debug related comments in trunk/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.*[03:27:28] *** bjw_ has quit IRC[03:27:38] <ana_s> ok[03:29:08] <mmadia> and if that doesn't help, mailto:haiku-development at freelists dot org ;)[03:30:35] <ana_s> btw..this is a newbie question...I modified sth in a userlandfs filesystem. Will I have to build userlandfs again or only the concerned filesystem?[03:31:12] <ana_s> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/running_userlandfs is sort of confusing regarding this point[03:33:51] *** Senryu_user has joined #haiku[03:34:03] <mmadia> actually, i'm not 100% sure, ana_s.[03:34:31] <Senryu_user> is there a premanent fix for the problem with the utf-8 encoding siwth SVN updates yet ?[03:34:34] <mmadia> though, czeidler is on the development list (and other devs should be able to answer it)[03:35:01] <ana_s> ok..so i'll try sth as soon as my vmware atarts behaving. then i'll post on the development mailing list[03:35:03] <ana_s> sure[03:35:28] <mmadia> Senryu_user : iirc, the apr & apr-util packages were rolled back to better working builds.[03:35:43] <Senryu_user> anyway I can live rollback a runnig system?[03:36:48] <mmadia> manually. basically, find the current zip of the program installed. delete the files. install the desired zip.[03:41:17] *** bryan_w has joined #haiku[03:41:33] *** fengshaun has quit IRC[03:45:57] *** ana_s has quit IRC[03:46:54] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[03:50:54] <Senryu_user> thought so, thanx[03:53:38] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[03:54:09] *** sourav7mishra has joined #haiku[03:57:25] *** Senryu_user has quit IRC[03:57:58] *** heroid has joined #haiku[03:59:57] *** kurain has joined #haiku[04:00:15] <sourav7mishra> Hello there, I want to join Haiku this summer for summer of code![04:00:23] <sourav7mishra> How I should proceed?[04:01:03] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2011/students is a good start, sourav7mishra[04:01:18] <sourav7mishra> thnks I went there![04:01:29] <sourav7mishra> found some good info there...[04:02:10] <sourav7mishra> so, are u a mentor?[04:02:20] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:02:31] <mmadia> you could say that.[04:03:04] <sourav7mishra> ya sorry, I just checked your name on the site..[04:03:08] <mmadia> ;)[04:04:27] <sourav7mishra> I want to work for creating a driver..![04:04:43] <mmadia> what type of hardware?[04:05:40] <sourav7mishra> The USB Video (UVC), kind of, ...webcam related ones..[04:05:41] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[04:06:29] <sourav7mishra> so how should I proceed..?[04:06:54] <sourav7mishra> I am personally interested for this project..![04:07:24] <sourav7mishra> Even if I am not part of GSOC, I would still like to do this.[04:08:41] <mmu> ..[04:08:42] <mmadia> look at the related code mentioned in the ideas page, figure out what you do and don't understand, ask questions about the stuff you don't understand. rinse & repeat.[04:10:06] *** DDevine has quit IRC[04:11:15] *** devine has joined #haiku[04:11:44] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[04:12:00] <mmadia> also, mmu would be one of the people to direct questions towards.[04:12:33] <sourav7mishra> sure, thanks..[04:12:47] <sourav7mishra> So should I apply for the GSOC?[04:13:30] <mmadia> http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ -- this should help you decide[04:17:55] <sourav7mishra> oh, thnks..[04:18:17] <jrabbit> sourav7mishra: oh you want to make a driver? yuck :P[04:18:34] <sourav7mishra> so do I need to show my programming skils before I apply?[04:18:37] <sourav7mishra> yup?[04:18:40] <sourav7mishra> :)[04:18:53] *** dancxjo has joined #haiku[04:19:14] <jrabbit> mmadia: whats the best way to get in contact with the guy working on the package FS or get the status on that?[04:19:17] *** cfdrake has quit IRC[04:19:26] <mmadia> that'd be olta.[04:19:54] <mmadia> and the haiku-development list would be good.[04:20:42] <mmadia> 'night.[04:20:48] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:26:12] *** mmu has quit IRC[04:26:15] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[04:36:04] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[04:47:25] *** chinilla has quit IRC[04:50:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:54:44] *** elliott_haiku has joined #haiku[05:01:35] *** xplt has quit IRC[05:06:21] *** Qeoz has quit IRC[05:06:52] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[05:11:30] *** kurain has quit IRC[05:31:37] <scgtrp> does haiku have anything resembling user accounts?[05:33:01] <augiedoggie> it has a passwd file that services like sshd and stuff can use[05:33:06] <augiedoggie> but generally speaking no[05:33:11] <augiedoggie> it's not multi-user[05:43:55] *** redblue has joined #haiku[05:51:56] *** kurain has joined #haiku[05:55:53] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[05:59:23] *** User74311 has joined #haiku[05:59:35] *** MAX2 has quit IRC[06:00:12] * scgtrp wonders whether implementing opengl support will be feasible[06:00:24] <augiedoggie> opengl is already supported[06:00:38] <scgtrp> vbox-accelerated opengl support, that is[06:00:47] <augiedoggie> see, you need to clarify :P[06:00:55] *** bjw_ has joined #haiku[06:00:57] <scgtrp> heh[06:01:12] * scgtrp takes a look at the linux guest additions source[06:01:43] <augiedoggie> mmu_man has basic support for the additions completed[06:01:58] <scgtrp> oh, really? how much does it do?[06:02:12] <augiedoggie> at least mouse integration, not sure what else he worked on[06:02:31] <scgtrp> is the code somewhere?[06:02:43] <augiedoggie> don't think so, you'll have to ask him when he comes back[06:15:03] *** kurain has quit IRC[06:22:26] <scgtrp> augiedoggie: are you a haiku developer?[06:22:37] <augiedoggie> no, I used to do ports and stuff[06:22:51] <augiedoggie> longtime beos user[06:23:05] <scgtrp> ah. would you mind reading over my application so far anyway? ;)[06:23:19] <augiedoggie> if you want[06:23:24] <scgtrp> http://scgtrp.net/gsoc_application.txt[06:23:52] <scgtrp> oh no, forgot text/plain in a web browser doesn't wrap -_-[06:26:11] <augiedoggie> yeah, hard for me to say if it's good or bad[06:26:21] <augiedoggie> looks fine i guess[06:26:51] <kirilla> wraps okay over here[06:27:02] <scgtrp> what browser?[06:27:15] <kirilla> webpositive[06:27:35] * scgtrp ports it to linux and starts using it[06:28:01] <kirilla> you'd probably have to port the BTextView as well[06:28:08] <augiedoggie> yeah, wraps in chrome too[06:28:09] <kirilla> since this is webkit :P[06:28:13] *** Senryu_user has joined #haiku[06:28:42] <kirilla> meaning I guess it wraps not due to webkit, but due to our text view[06:28:56] * scgtrp just ports the entire os to linux, replacing the kernel as well[06:28:58] <CIA-61> Haiku: kallisti5 * r41165 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wimax/usb_beceemwmx/ (BeceemDevice.cpp BeceemLED.cpp): simple space style cleanup; fix case of bool; no functional change[06:30:05] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[06:30:41] <CIA-61> Haiku: kallisti5 * r41166 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wimax/usb_beceemwmx/BeceemLED.cpp: fix missed incorrect tab spacing; no functional change[06:31:37] <Senryu_user> sctgrp why would you do such a thing ?[06:32:29] <scgtrp> i wouldn't, i'm being silly[06:33:13] <Senryu_user> its after april fools here[06:33:48] <scgtrp> also would be pretty pointless for me, i can't get the livecd to boot on my laptop :([06:34:02] <Senryu_user> what type of laptop ?[06:34:22] <scgtrp> toshiba satellite l505d-s5983[06:34:32] <Senryu_user> AMD chipset ?[06:34:40] <scgtrp> yeah[06:34:55] <Senryu_user> 600/700 series ?[06:35:45] <scgtrp> not sure, i see 'RS880' and 'RS780' in lspci output[06:35:57] <augiedoggie> similar to mine, I have to disable a couple things to get Haiku to boot on my AMD desktop[06:36:00] <Senryu_user> yeah, sounds like it doesn't like the south bridge[06:36:07] <scgtrp> wouldn't surprise me if it has the same problem linux does (it pokes the wrong byte somewhere and makes the BIOS randomly swap out some ACPI tables for broken ones)[06:36:59] <augiedoggie> have you gone through the safe mode stuff?[06:37:13] <scgtrp> hm. no i haven't[06:37:21] <augiedoggie> I can only boot with "disable local apic" and "disable smp"[06:37:43] <augiedoggie> hm, can't remember if it's "local apic" or "io apic"[06:37:52] <scgtrp> oh, it's shift[06:37:57] <scgtrp> that would explain why hitting space did nothing[06:38:12] <scgtrp> having basic reading comprehension: it works![06:40:06] * scgtrp tries it[06:46:50] *** dru_ has quit IRC[06:48:35] <scgtrp> hm. turned on all the safe mode options and on-screen debugging, it hung after "usb ohci -1: ownership change successful"[06:49:06] <Senryu_user> south bridge trouble[06:49:13] <augiedoggie> mine used to do that too[06:49:27] <augiedoggie> I made some random change in my BIOS and it suddenly worked[06:49:36] <augiedoggie> I have an odd BIOS though[06:49:37] <scgtrp> i am slightly confused that i now have -1 ohci devices[06:49:52] <scgtrp> augiedoggie: mine likes to swap out acpi tables to troll operating systems. ;)[06:50:33] <Senryu_user> oh, disable plug and play BIOS option[06:50:43] <Senryu_user> set it to no instead of yes[06:50:56] <augiedoggie> no is usually the default[06:51:16] <Senryu_user> in 905 of computers I have seen Yes is the defualt[06:51:19] <Senryu_user> 90%[06:52:11] <augiedoggie> maybe I misread, I thought you said "plug and play OS"[06:52:55] *** heroid_ has joined 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Try disabling the Call Bios option when you go into Safeboot mode on the boot screen[07:01:18] <Senryu_user> when you try botting the disk[07:01:30] <Senryu_user> that should hoepfully force the bios to do IRQ assignment[07:01:30] <scgtrp> i've been booting with all the safe mode options enabled, including that one[07:01:47] <Senryu_user> hmmm, haiku just doesn;t like that chipset. I know that much[07:01:54] <scgtrp> can't blame it ;)[07:03:33] *** ianj has quit IRC[07:07:55] <augiedoggie> yeah, looks like the BIOS on that laptop is pretty spartan[07:09:40] <augiedoggie> good thing you're working on vbox then :P[07:09:50] <scgtrp> hehe[07:10:14] <scgtrp> the engineers responsible for this thing need a good clobbering[07:10:27] *** ianj has joined #haiku[07:10:31] <Senryu_user> AMd did something goffy to those chipsets[07:10:34] <Senryu_user> club away[07:10:50] <Senryu_user> the 5xx and 8xx stuff seems to work by way of scattered reports[07:11:10] <scgtrp> suggestions for other stuff to poke at welcome[07:11:32] <scgtrp> (i have a spare 32GB partition and nothing to put in it :([07:12:09] <Senryu_user> would be nice if haiku would work on those chipsets.[07:19:07] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:39:34] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[07:45:23] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[07:56:29] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[08:03:38] *** The_Ringmaster has quit 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DefaultCatalog which sets[15:37:41] <CIA-61> the translated string as given[15:37:41] <CIA-61> * use SetRawString() in both (standard- and build-)versions of linkcatkeys[15:41:33] *** kurain has joined #haiku[15:42:41] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[15:46:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[15:48:06] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:49:25] <kurain> hello mmadia[15:49:41] <mmadia> 'lo kurain[15:51:19] *** PasNox has quit IRC[15:54:49] *** heroid has quit IRC[16:12:25] *** dancxjo has quit IRC[16:15:25] <js> how would I debug a multithreaded application on haiku that is crashing at 0x00000000 and has no stack at all?[16:15:32] <js> it's so strange[16:16:52] <mmadia> it'd be a good idea to send a line to www.freelists.org/list/haiku-3rdparty-dev[16:17:39] <js> hah, I think I found it[16:17:40] <js> OpenSSL[16:17:52] <js> seems it wants some callbacks registered when using multiple threads[16:17:55] *** kurain has quit IRC[16:18:05] <js> but then again, I only access the socket from one thread oO[16:21:20] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[16:24:15] *** sourav7mishra has quit IRC[16:26:07] *** dancxjo has joined #haiku[16:33:47] *** impy has quit IRC[16:35:06] <js> huh, pkill and killall are both missing? oO[16:36:56] *** Hubert_ has joined #haiku[16:38:40] *** impy has joined #haiku[16:39:36] <js> and no ps aux[16:39:38] <OmniMancer> js: why is this an isue?[16:39:44] <js> great, so I have to reboot to kill a crashed gdb[16:39:52] <OmniMancer> and what does ps aux do/[16:39:54] <OmniMancer> ?[16:39:56] <js> it prints nothing[16:39:59] <OmniMancer> js try kill?[16:40:02] <OmniMancer> and ps x[16:40:03] <mmadia> a crashed gdb?[16:40:06] <js> how would I get the pid?[16:40:08] <js> without ps aux?[16:40:09] <OmniMancer> or just ps[16:40:20] <OmniMancer> js: ps works[16:40:26] <js> ah, interesting[16:40:29] <js> ps aux doesn't but ps does[16:40:30] <js> strange oO[16:40:32] <OmniMancer> I believe ps x works[16:40:53] <OmniMancer> you shouldn't try to use haiku like linux[16:41:11] <OmniMancer> also the process controller in the deskbar can kill teams[16:41:14] <mmadia> ps -h works the best ;)[16:41:27] <js> OmniMancer: I don't try to use it like linux - I try to use it like posix systems[16:41:32] <js> and they usually all provide ps aux[16:41:38] <js> note: without a dash, with dash is linux syntax[16:42:32] <OmniMancer> ps x works on most things i know of[16:42:39] <OmniMancer> what do the a and u do?[16:42:43] <js> hm, is it possible that poll() on haiku breaks when you use gdb?[16:42:45] <js> I get a SIGTRAP[16:42:49] <js> when I continue[16:42:51] <js> everything hangs[16:42:55] <mmadia> `ps ision`[16:43:17] <mmadia> the characters following ps work sort of like a filter.[16:43:25] <js> OmniMancer: a is all und u is users[16:43:26] <OmniMancer> oh?[16:43:32] <OmniMancer> and x?[16:43:46] <OmniMancer> afaik ps x is for all processes[16:43:47] <js> include processes without controlling terminal[16:43:50] <mmadia> the options need to be -[option][16:44:00] <js> mmadia: if you are using gnu, yes ;)[16:44:11] <js> posix specifies them without the dash[16:44:30] *** MUILTFN has joined #haiku[16:44:34] <mmadia> then file a ticket, that ps is non posix compliant. :P[16:44:43] <js> hm, I wonder why poll is even called oO[16:44:50] <js> ah, sure, I know :)[16:44:59] <js> but why the hell is it blocking all threads after SIGTRAP when running in gdb?[16:45:39] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/bin/ps.c#L74[16:50:05] <js> and localtime_r does not seem to be thread-safe, at least sometimes I get an invalid date[16:50:45] <js> the problem with gdb is not poll[16:50:47] <js> it's of_log[16:50:55] <js> a function I have that outputs a timestamp and a message[16:51:00] <js> which called by multiple threads[16:51:06] <js> this already gave wrong results with gdb sometimes[16:51:12] <js> with gdb, it seems it gets stuck in a lock[16:51:29] <OmniMancer> :P[16:52:06] <js> is there a thread-safe way to get the time?[16:52:34] <js> or a way that mutex_lock does not break gdb?[16:53:33] <js> seems that's not the only problem[16:53:37] <js> now I got it with poll again[16:53:46] <js> it seems everything that blocks gets a SIGTRAP that gets lost with gdb[16:56:04] <js> hah, handle SIGTRAP noprint nostop[16:56:05] <js> :)[16:59:30] <js> but this way I can't use breakpoints at all :([17:00:38] *** Hubert_ has quit IRC[17:00:58] *** oxoocoffee has quit IRC[17:05:49] <js> what could cause SIGABRT if abort wasn't called?[17:07:21] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:07:55] *** lollo64it has quit IRC[17:10:18] <js> funny, haiku's clock is wrong. in the host OS it is correct...[17:14:22] *** oxoocoffee has joined #haiku[17:18:24] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has quit IRC[17:18:44] *** Colin_Finck|lap is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[17:19:02] *** DrHouse|Aribeth_ has joined #haiku[17:21:37] *** lollo64it has joined #haiku[17:23:19] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:24:50] *** keenblade has joined 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Okay, I'll try creating a disk image