March 31, 2010 
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March 31, 2010 [00:00:36] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[00:00:45] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[00:01:22] <kirilla> OmniMancer: installoptionalpackage -a openssh (or whatever its called.. use -a to find out)[00:01:31] <OmniMancer> kk[00:01:42] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[00:01:43] <OmniMancer> then I have to set a password and run sshd right?[00:01:44] <kirilla> that should make it run at bootup[00:01:50] <OmniMancer> yea -l to find out[00:01:51] <kirilla> thanks mm[00:01:53] <OmniMancer> ah[00:02:32] <OmniMancer> yay this will be slow :D*[00:03:35] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[00:04:41] *** HaikUbuntu has quit IRC[00:07:50] *** margiolas_ has quit IRC[00:08:12] *** margiolas_ has joined #haiku[00:10:05] <OmniMancer> I have to set a password for ssh to work?[00:13:56] <OmniMancer> after I have installed the optional package what do I do?[00:16:27] *** Engleek has joined #haiku[00:16:53] <kirilla> set a password.. from the command-line I suppose[00:17:10] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:17:35] <OmniMancer> and after that?[00:17:42] <kirilla> the net_server should pick up on changes to the services file, so you may not have to reboot even[00:17:50] <kirilla> does it not work?[00:19:36] <kirilla> net_server acts like inetd for services[00:19:47] <OmniMancer> ah[00:20:00] <OmniMancer> well I guess running sshd yourself is bad then :P[00:20:09] <kirilla> dunno[00:20:20] <OmniMancer> well it doesn't like it so I will try[00:20:40] <kirilla> check the services file just in case, to see if it's listed and not commented out[00:20:56] <kirilla> should be in /etc[00:21:04] <kirilla> /boot/common/etc (I think)[00:22:37] <OmniMancer> hmmk[00:22:46] <OmniMancer> also it does use the default port 22 right?[00:23:08] * OmniMancer is doing this from uni over various remote control mechanisms to wants to avoid restarting[00:23:13] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[00:23:24] <kirilla> heh :)[00:23:29] <H_MrSun> ough that was a big one[00:23:33] <H_MrSun> about 8 hours of coding today :P[00:23:41] <H_MrSun> and almost nothing added to functionality .. sigh :P[00:23:51] <DraX> but awesome new framework?[00:24:08] <OmniMancer> its slow to operate haiku over VNC when you are operating the VNC over another remote control program :P[00:24:23] <H_MrSun> well, changed all the void * to be_BClassName to make them stick out what they are supposed to be, new mixin system to be able to set pointers etc without a C++ object being initialized etc :)[00:24:36] *** Megaf has quit IRC[00:24:46] <H_MrSun> http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=11827 in HaikuRev: 35993 crashes ... ? <-- can anyone confirm that ?[00:25:03] <H_MrSun> if its my haiku that is broken or if its something with the revision :)[00:25:55] <H_MrSun> ofc, stuff inside firefox isnt realy drawn as they should either[00:26:04] <H_MrSun> no scrollbars no button graphics[00:26:10] <OmniMancer> :([00:26:43] <OmniMancer> kirilla: what is the services file called?[00:27:03] <kirilla> OmniMancer: I think it's called /etc/services[00:27:38] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[00:27:55] <OmniMancer> nope :([00:27:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:28:15] <kirilla> odd, I think it's part of a standard build[00:28:34] <OmniMancer> this is a nightly from before the new cursors but...[00:29:25] <kirilla> OmniMancer: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/data/settings/network/services[00:29:42] <OmniMancer> ha thanks[00:30:08] <kirilla> not sure where it should go though, if not in /etc[00:30:32] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:30:43] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:32:09] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[00:33:43] <kirilla> gotta sleep, see you tomorrow guys![00:33:48] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:33:48] <OmniMancer> :([00:33:55] <OmniMancer> DraX: can you help me?[00:34:15] <mmadia> OmniMancer : you should be able to simply run <full-path>/sshd -D[00:34:37] *** surrounder has quit IRC[00:34:55] <mmadia> /boot/common/settings/network/services[00:35:06] <OmniMancer> ah I need -D[00:35:12] <mmadia> /boot/common/etc/sshd_config <--- sshd config file[00:35:48] <mmadia> in sshd_config, i like to disable plaintext passwords, relying only upon ssh keys for auth.[00:35:53] <mmadia> PasswordAuthentication no[00:35:58] <mmadia> ChallengeResponseAuthentication no[00:36:05] <OmniMancer> um[00:36:12] <jmayfield> egad![00:36:30] <OmniMancer> okay but then I need to sort out keys which is hard since I am at a different location :P[00:36:33] * jmayfield just had to buy new tires.. first time for his new car.. shocking![00:36:42] <DraX> OmniMancer: with what?[00:36:47] <OmniMancer> um what do I do about missing privilege separation directory?[00:37:19] <OmniMancer> making ssh work so I can fiddle with building from not at home :P[00:37:27] *** Engleek has quit IRC[00:38:26] <OmniMancer> /var/empty is missing apparently[00:38:31] <Cian> jmayfield how shocking? the OEM tyres for my car are 150 a corner off the manufacturer[00:38:52] <Cian> which is why I don't use the OEM ones ;)[00:39:14] <jmayfield> Cian, i just dropped $175/tire.and that was a "good deal"[00:39:26] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[00:39:31] <Cian> low profile/sports or just an insanely massive car?[00:39:37] <jmayfield> boxster s[00:39:44] <jmayfield> yes, low profile[00:40:27] <Cian> I use Sportrac3's on mine now, cost about E70 each[00:40:42] <jmayfield> glad it only has the 18inch wheels.. 19's wouls have been even more painfu[00:41:00] <Cian> thats for 195/45/15H[00:41:15] <CIA-45> zooey * r36011 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/ (7 files):[00:41:15] <CIA-45> * added stubbed version of ICULocaleBackend[00:41:15] <CIA-45> * added actual loading of libroot-addon-locale.so[00:41:15] <CIA-45> * moved env-var check to setlocale.cpp, as that's the only place where[00:41:15] <CIA-45> it is needed[00:41:15] <CIA-45> tst-btowc is now tricked into believing that is was able to set different locales (without real effect, though)[00:41:54] <CIA-45> zooey * r36012 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/build/jam/HaikuImage: * added libroot-addon-locale.so to image[00:42:15] <jmayfield> 255/40 here[00:42:27] <Cian> the car usually comes with 13's which you can get branded tyres for about 35 for[00:42:37] <Cian> but the 15's are standard on my trim leve[00:43:26] <OmniMancer> how can I tell what user I am?[00:43:53] <Cian> whoami at the terminal, should be there[00:43:58] <jmayfield> Cian, what sort of car?[00:44:32] <Cian> Fiat Panda[00:44:36] <Cian> I've the sports model[00:44:40] <jmayfield> fun[00:45:07] <Cian> despite Fiat having taken effective control of Chrysler, the Panda is unlikely to surface in NA[00:45:11] <OmniMancer> yay it works now[00:45:48] <Cian> although the version of it with the different bodyshell (500) might[00:47:22] <jmayfield> Cian, i upgraded from my 1974 porsche 914 to a boxster last year.. .quite a different driving experience[00:47:34] *** Vooshy has quit IRC[00:47:52] <Cian> well, one is a VW and one is a Porsche, right? ;)[00:48:03] <jmayfield> hehe..pretty much[00:48:35] <Cian> my car would be faster than a 914. Not a Boxster though[00:50:18] <jmayfield> the responsiveness of everything is what really shocked me at first..throttle, steering, etc.. pretty amazing[00:50:39] <jmayfield> especially after stepping out of a 35 yr old car[00:52:10] <Cian> was it New new?[00:52:40] <Cian> even ignoring the carcinogenic smell, theres always something special about a fully new car ;)[00:52:45] <jmayfield> our family car is a jetta vr6.. i got sick of getting clobblered by my wife when we're driving.. hehe[00:53:14] <Cian> I got mine as an "ex demo" for about 20% off the list price - with 8km on the odo[00:53:19] <jmayfield> its a 2000.. slightly old, but low miles.. owned by some old dude.. hehe[00:53:25] <Cian> so no new car smell but all the feel of one[00:54:19] <jmayfield> its has the full leather interior.. not something i probably would have picked if i'd have been buying new, but i gotta say, its kinda nice[00:55:01] <Cian> I've been told you never go bakc after having leather; I did after having half-leather but thats mainly cause the car I had it in was a heap[00:55:32] <jmayfield> the nice thing about buy used cars like that from rich old people.. they get to absorb the INSANE depreciation that occurs.. hehe.. get good deals[00:56:33] <jmayfield> he paid $58k, i paid $11k... heh[00:56:37] <Cian> tell me about it...my sister's buying an Alfa Romeo atm thats 50,500 list price[00:56:44] <Cian> she's looking at a 2007 for 22,000[00:56:51] <jmayfield> and all he did was break it in for me..[00:57:12] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:57:55] <OmniMancer> does haiku have g++ or is my ssh just not letting me run it?[00:58:40] <Cian> it... should have it OmniMancer, as it has GCC obviously[00:58:58] <Cian> is it not just a symlink to the 'gcc' executable anywya\?[00:59:00] <OmniMancer> I know it has g++ but is it called g++?[00:59:21] <OmniMancer> it has a c++ binary that is in some way g++[01:02:53] <OmniMancer> okay I think the ssh session is preventing me doing useful things[01:03:01] <Cian> there is what appears to be a 13 year old on TV doing a music video[01:03:05] <OmniMancer> how can I make it let me actually run the compiler?[01:03:28] <Cian> oh, 16. still, how the hell can a 16 year old get a music career??[01:03:47] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[01:04:29] <OmniMancer> mmadia: does ssh prevent execution of certain programs in the default config?[01:04:38] <cpr420> OmniMancer: There is a problem with ssh where the SetupEnvironment script doesn't get sourced[01:07:05] <OmniMancer> hmm?[01:07:18] <OmniMancer> still that shouldn't make g++ disappear?[01:07:23] <OmniMancer> or would it?[01:07:26] <Cian> OmniMancer it would[01:07:31] <OmniMancer> :([01:07:34] <Cian> as its not in the original bin path[01:07:40] <OmniMancer> can I source it myself?[01:07:40] <Cian> its, erm, somewhere else[01:07:51] <cpr420> after log in run 'source /boot/system/boot/SetupEnvironment'[01:08:29] <OmniMancer> yay[01:09:27] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:14:36] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[01:20:43] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[01:26:50] <OmniMancer> DraX: where can I find vmkit?[01:27:03] <OmniMancer> and do I have to have installed llvm somewhere for it to work?[01:27:50] <DraX> vmkit.llvm.org[01:27:52] <DraX> and i assume so[01:27:59] <OmniMancer> huff[01:28:12] <DraX> and it needs classpath i think[01:28:56] *** Cian has quit IRC[01:29:37] <OmniMancer> well im not getting that unless you make it easy and I don't have to do anything to classpath[01:31:02] <DraX> ENOTIME[01:31:10] <OmniMancer> enotime?[01:31:15] *** AlonzoTG has quit IRC[01:31:47] *** AlonzoTG has joined #haiku[01:40:08] <OmniMancer> DraX: I will maybe look at vmkit latr[01:40:10] <OmniMancer> later[01:40:30] <OmniMancer> probably next week since I have important things to do this week[01:41:34] *** LoganA has quit IRC[01:44:19] *** arun_ has quit IRC[01:44:37] <OmniMancer> I have a test to study for tomorrow :([01:47:49] *** Stellar has quit IRC[01:50:53] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[01:57:39] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[01:57:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:03:03] *** LoganA has quit IRC[02:04:02] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[02:12:53] * JonathanThompson tests OmniMancer1 by preparing him for a test[02:13:13] <JonathanThompson> Don't ponder that too deeply, OmniMancer1, as it'll drive you more than ordinarily insane ;)[02:13:49] *** surrounder has quit IRC[02:21:57] *** AlexM has quit IRC[02:25:10] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[02:27:33] *** Kokito has quit IRC[02:28:23] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:30:01] <OmniMancer1> is there any way to attach to a running make process and aquire its output?[02:30:34] <OmniMancer1> my ssh session got interrupted[02:30:47] <OmniMancer1> and I want to see what the make I have run in that one is doing....[02:35:39] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[02:37:45] <JonathanThompson> tee? Can that be done in-process? Or screen, OmniMancer1 ?[02:39:55] *** oco has quit IRC[02:41:30] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[02:42:42] <mvfranz> any recommendations for a general C++ IRC Channel?[02:43:06] <OmniMancer1> don't go to ##c++[02:43:42] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[02:44:04] <mvfranz> too much noise?[02:44:17] <OmniMancer1> too much not what its meant to be :P[02:46:05] <ianj> IRC in a nutshell[02:50:59] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[02:54:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:57:20] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[02:57:53] *** saivert has quit IRC[02:58:47] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[02:59:02] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:02:49] *** LoganA has quit IRC[03:08:01] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[03:08:02] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[03:08:29] *** Nozy has quit IRC[03:08:44] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:09:48] *** xspager has joined #haiku[03:10:02] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[03:12:36] *** LoganA has quit IRC[03:12:49] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[03:12:49] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[03:21:23] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:22:13] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[03:25:30] *** xspager has quit IRC[03:30:16] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[03:30:38] *** bryguy[lap] is now known as Bryan_W[03:31:09] *** Micc has joined #haiku[03:33:00] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:37:48] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:41:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:48:15] *** Skipp2 has quit IRC[03:50:01] *** AlexM has joined #haiku[03:52:55] *** Bryan_W is now known as bryan_w[03:58:02] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[03:59:59] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[04:01:25] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[04:01:49] *** `YYZ has joined #haiku[04:02:07] <`YYZ> hello everyone[04:02:14] <`YYZ> how's it goin' out there folks?[04:02:19] <`YYZ> it's such a nice day[04:03:30] *** `YYZ is now known as YYZ`[04:03:45] *** go-oo has joined #haiku[04:08:03] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[04:09:48] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[04:10:33] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:12:29] *** Xeon4D has quit IRC[04:29:01] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[04:30:28] *** margiolas_ has quit IRC[04:30:34] *** go-oo has quit IRC[04:30:41] *** Sloar has left #haiku[04:34:45] *** TechnoMancer|Hai has joined #haiku[04:34:54] *** saivert has joined #haiku[04:35:29] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:38:22] <TechnoMancer|Hai> hi[04:38:36] <TechnoMancer|Hai> yay for building SPU backends :D[04:40:44] <OmniMancer> anyone paying attention and not idling?[04:41:02] * YYZ` never joined freenode before[04:41:05] <Kokito> what's up OmniMancer?[04:41:09] <YYZ`> I thought this was a poetry channel[04:41:30] <OmniMancer> :P[04:41:43] <OmniMancer> well it's a fun channel anyway[04:41:45] <Kokito> yes, YYZ`, it's the channel of a poetic operating system[04:41:57] <YYZ`> hmm, POS ?[04:42:07] <Kokito> hehe[04:42:29] * Disreali facepalms[04:42:49] <OmniMancer> no Haiku :P[04:43:17] <OmniMancer> with a comma[04:43:22] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[04:45:03] <OmniMancer> Kokito: getting through second build of llvm svn trunk[04:46:38] <Disreali> OmniMancer: are you able to build llvm on haiku without hackery?[04:47:58] <Disreali> rebooting[04:48:04] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:51:06] <OmniMancer> Disreali: I have done the necessary hackery which is changes to a single file since I got stuff into the trunk before and if I remember its one work around :P[04:51:19] <OmniMancer> I shall repeat that when he returns[04:52:26] <OmniMancer> makefile build system is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW[04:54:06] <AlienSoldier> haiku is not as efficient as R5 on a 64M PC[04:54:16] <OmniMancer> 64M is?[04:54:21] <AlienSoldier> Mb[04:54:25] <AlienSoldier> *MB[04:54:25] <OmniMancer> ah[04:54:33] *** LoganA has quit IRC[04:54:34] <OmniMancer> this one has a GB of memory[04:54:38] <DraX> such things exist anymore? :P[04:54:56] <OmniMancer> and the cmake build finished in two hours[04:55:08] <OmniMancer> the makefile one has been split up but is slooooow[04:55:10] <AlienSoldier> i removed some ram in a PC to see if it coukld be the cause of segfault crash[04:55:28] <AlienSoldier> It's a crappy Seanix PC 300Mhz i never use[04:55:28] <mmadia> DraX ... how's your gpart & newfs skills?[04:55:50] <mmadia> AlienSoldier : that may just be Haiku.[04:56:00] <OmniMancer> now where is Disreali so I can answer his question[04:56:03] <AlienSoldier> and when i say crappy, it's not because it's slow (i don't call my amiga crappy) it's the whole quality of the thing[04:56:16] <mmadia> some of us have been seeing random-ish segfault & crashes in app_server[04:56:26] <AlienSoldier> mmadia perhaps driver issue[04:56:53] <AlienSoldier> at least i have haiku really stable on the PC i wanted[04:57:02] <DraX> mmadia: almost non-existant[04:57:02] <DraX> mmadia: why?[04:57:07] <DraX> mmadia: i was able to successfully follow the drections on the freebsd wiki to setup freebsd on zfs using gpart but that's about it :D[04:57:11] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[04:57:22] <mmadia> i picked up one of those WD advanced format drives[04:57:36] <AlienSoldier> advanced format?[04:58:08] <mmadia> physical 4k sectors, but the drive lies to the OS, saying its 512byte sectors.[04:58:20] <AlienSoldier> ok[04:59:07] <AlienSoldier> what is the advantage of doing this?[04:59:21] <mmadia> compatibility w/ XP basically.[04:59:59] <mmadia> the down side is needing to make sure the partitions start on a multiple of 4k, which where im sort of stuck.[05:00:51] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[05:02:20] <AlienSoldier> mmadia when folk as me to "borrow internet" i now put them on the haiku machine :)[05:02:24] <DraX> mmadia: add -b <multiple of 4k offset) -s <size>[05:02:25] <AlienSoldier> *ask[05:03:13] <AlienSoldier> i could see internet cafe use haiku eventually[05:04:15] <saivert> just make a browser that runs straight off real mode[05:04:19] <mmadia> gpart create -s GPT ad10[05:04:20] <mmadia> gpart add -b 2048 -t freebsd-ufs ad10[05:04:21] <mmadia> newfs -U -f 4096 -b 32768 /dev/ad10[05:04:22] <saivert> no OS underneath[05:04:33] <mmadia> ...that's what i tried[05:05:20] <OmniMancer> Disreali?[05:05:21] <DraX> mmadia: what happens?[05:05:26] <mmadia> but the output of dmesg concerns me ...[05:05:29] <mmadia> ad10: 1430799MB <WDC WD15EARS-00S8B1 80.00A80> at ata5-master UDMA33[05:05:29] <mmadia> ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51<READY,DSC,ERROR> error=84<ICRC,ABORTED> LBA=2930277151[05:05:46] <DraX> try a 512 -b to newfs?[05:06:05] <mmadia> newfs fails to complete.... i'm scanning the disk now to see if UPS dropped-kicked it a few times.[05:06:29] <mmadia> hrm?[05:12:31] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[05:13:39] <Skipp_OSX> United Parcel Service?[05:14:09] <Skipp_OSX> ahhh shipped a disk[05:15:14] <OmniMancer> or DHL[05:15:19] <OmniMancer> or FedEx :P[05:16:14] *** AlexM has quit IRC[05:21:57] <mmadia> OmniMancer : btw, he's back ;)[05:22:22] <TechnoMancer|Hai> yay[05:22:37] <OmniMancer> Disreali: well not with no hackery[05:22:47] <OmniMancer> but it requires very little hackery :P[05:24:58] <Disreali> OmniMancer, just curious, but are you building it just for your own use, or are you trying to create patches[05:25:56] <Disreali> mmadia ?[05:26:16] <mmadia> yes?[05:27:58] <Disreali> does svn come on the nightly images?[05:28:35] <mmadia> yes: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/build/jam/ReleaseBuildProfiles#L32[05:28:43] <mmadia> everything needed to build Haiku.[05:29:19] *** YYZ` has quit IRC[05:29:20] <Disreali> sweet[05:31:02] <OmniMancer> Disreali: I am attempting to make it work yes[05:31:30] <OmniMancer> I try to get "fixes" into the llvm trunk but at some time I must get someone to implement the things instead of turning them off[05:32:02] <OmniMancer> its like: oh I can't easily tell how much memory a process is using, oh well ill just make it not work :P[05:33:53] <mmadia> http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/MailingList[05:34:40] <mmadia> answers are not given to unasked questions ;)[05:34:57] <DraX> mmadia's koen of the day :P[05:35:01] <OmniMancer> mmadia: I asked here, from the answers I got its complicated to do[05:42:47] <OmniMancer> I should ask there[05:42:57] <OmniMancer> but im lazy and don't have time till next week :P[05:49:15] <OmniMancer> yay gotten to clangs checker[05:54:37] <OmniMancer> rewrite now[06:02:04] <OmniMancer> frontend[06:02:17] <OmniMancer> anyone know of a C program I can write that uses no header files?[06:04:34] <OmniMancer> Index[06:05:32] <OmniMancer> Driver[06:10:32] <OmniMancer> building unit tests[06:13:00] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[06:19:25] <Disreali> I just added a hosts file to my system. Do I need to restart net_sever for it to be used? Is there an easy way to restart net_server?[06:21:12] <cpr420> it's dynamic. no need to restart anything[06:21:39] <OmniMancer> yay the llvm test suite is failing everything[06:21:48] <OmniMancer> I believe that it is doing so incorrectly[06:24:36] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[06:24:58] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[06:26:28] <OmniMancer> it failed a lot...[06:27:05] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[06:27:21] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[06:31:48] <Disreali> how sad[06:32:05] <OmniMancer> Disreali: the thing itself seems to work fine :P[06:32:29] <Disreali> the test suite?[06:32:34] <OmniMancer> no llvm[06:32:41] <OmniMancer> I can run clang I can run the examples[06:32:54] <OmniMancer> which is why I think most of the tests are flawed in some way :P[06:33:39] <Disreali> if you on the llvm-dev mail list, I'd mention it there[06:34:33] <Disreali> can llvm build stuff, beside the examples, on haiku[06:34:38] <Disreali> ?[06:34:49] <OmniMancer> what do you mean?[06:35:10] <Disreali> i'm not sure myself[06:35:18] <OmniMancer> Disreali: do you mean build other things that use llvm or use llvm to build things?[06:35:28] <OmniMancer> I know the JIT works and clang seems to work[06:35:29] <Disreali> I have yet to completely understand all that llvm does[06:35:38] <OmniMancer> bugs can be fixed as they occur :P[06:35:53] <OmniMancer> llvm is the thing that takes the IR and makes assembly for your target[06:36:01] <OmniMancer> it aslo does optimisations on the IR[06:36:25] <Disreali> IR = ?[06:36:27] <OmniMancer> clang is the thing that takes C and makes IR[06:36:32] <OmniMancer> intermediate representation[06:36:52] <Disreali> ok[06:37:16] <AlienSoldier> ho god, a clash of the titan remake[06:37:25] <OmniMancer> ?[06:37:34] <OmniMancer> a titan clashing with itself?[06:37:54] <Disreali> AlienSoldier, you just hereing about that?[06:38:10] <AlienSoldier> OmniMancer titans :)[06:38:15] <Disreali> It looks like it will be a decent action flick[06:38:21] <OmniMancer> I need to inform clang of every haiku header path then I can check if it works for building GUI stuff :D[06:39:01] <OmniMancer> eventually someone can help me make clang know how to use ar, ld and gas itself or maybe use llvm-mc when its done[06:39:09] <AlienSoldier> Disreali it might, but i find it insulting to the original work[06:40:43] <AlienSoldier> i guess jason and the argonaut will not be far after that[06:41:42] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[06:41:46] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[06:47:04] <OmniMancer> okay now I have to rebuild llvm so I can install it to the right place[06:49:08] <Disreali> OmniMancer, have you used llvm on other systems before?[06:49:39] *** Nozy has quit IRC[06:49:52] <OmniMancer> I have built it on windows before[06:49:57] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[06:53:41] <OmniMancer> DraX: do you know if classpath builds on haiku?[06:54:25] <DraX> no[06:54:35] <OmniMancer> :([06:54:40] <OmniMancer> FIND OUT![06:55:08] <DraX> considering that people have compiled gcj i assume it does[06:55:13] <DraX> though gcj doesn't actually itself work :P[06:55:53] <OmniMancer> :P[06:55:55] <OmniMancer> gcj is?[06:56:00] <OmniMancer> the gnu java compiler?[06:58:07] <DraX> yes[07:02:06] <OmniMancer> I shall attempt to build vmkit for you[07:02:15] <OmniMancer> assuming it works what do you want to happen?[07:03:04] <DraX> for you to use ecj to bootstrap the jdk :)[07:03:19] <DraX> just let me know and i'll pass it along to mvfranz or if i have to the java-port mailing list[07:03:30] <OmniMancer> you do know that I have not got the system well defined for extracting built binaries...[07:03:48] <DraX> i'm sure if the avenue is available someone else can take the time to figure it out[07:04:25] <OmniMancer> however I *may* be able to extract the working j3 binary with deps for you to use to bootstrap stuff[07:04:27] <DraX> currently the solution is either, attempt vaguely to cross-compile maybe, but we don't know what we're doing, or, attempt, vaguely to fix the issue that causes gcj to die[07:04:51] <OmniMancer> the toher thing is if you bootstrap the jdk, what do you propose the stuff you build runs on?[07:05:08] <OmniMancer> gcj is probably evil[07:05:44] <DraX> ecj will generate class files[07:05:57] <OmniMancer> which you will run on?[07:06:02] <DraX> hotspot[07:06:12] <OmniMancer> and hotspot builds on haiku?[07:06:22] <DraX> supposidly[07:06:34] <OmniMancer> then why can't you run ecj on hotspot?[07:06:44] <DraX> because you need the clsas library[07:06:51] <DraX> which you need a compiler to actually compile[07:07:07] <DraX> it's a chicken-and-egg bootstrap problem[07:07:09] *** myl-D-zazta has left #haiku[07:07:16] <DraX> to build java you need java[07:07:26] <OmniMancer> ah[07:07:36] <OmniMancer> and classpath is not compatible with hotspot?[07:07:38] *** lorglas_laptop has joined #haiku[07:07:52] <DraX> nope[07:07:56] <OmniMancer> so you do not intend to actually use vmkit for anything? which is sad :([07:08:16] <DraX> not for now[07:08:26] <DraX> it's not really a viable alternative to openjdk yet[07:08:27] * OmniMancer cries[07:08:34] <OmniMancer> so develop it[07:09:05] <OmniMancer> um what is the way to specify the system for configure?[07:09:16] <OmniMancer> either that or I must copy the config.guess stuff :([07:09:50] <OmniMancer> where does config.guess live?[07:11:13] <cpr420> '/bin/query config.guess' or just run 'libtoolize -fci'[07:11:54] <OmniMancer> oh well I just copied the config stuff by working out where it was[07:12:45] <OmniMancer> yay configuring[07:13:38] <OmniMancer> um[07:13:49] <OmniMancer> would someone tell me why class path wants gtk or X?[07:13:56] <OmniMancer> and can i turn its want off?[07:14:49] <OmniMancer> I found out how[07:15:02] <OmniMancer> I shouldn't pester you guys should I?[07:15:19] <OmniMancer> but then no one ever speaks in here anyway so anything haiku related is better than the deathly silence[07:17:05] <OmniMancer> it seems turning X off you still get the GTK+ peers requested but no X library available[07:18:06] <OmniMancer> okay found it[07:20:22] <OmniMancer> do we have pkg-config?[07:20:43] <cpr420> it's in haikuports[07:21:00] <OmniMancer> do we have pkg-config that requires no work on my part?[07:21:07] <OmniMancer> alternatively what is gconfig?[07:21:34] <cpr420> http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/23/2062382/packages/pkg-config-0.23-haiku-2.zip[07:21:46] <cpr420> haven't actually used that one though[07:22:42] <OmniMancer> hmmm[07:23:21] <OmniMancer> DraX: thou shalt make classpath compile then tell me how[07:25:41] <OmniMancer> great pnet is in haiku-ports but not class path it seems...[07:27:01] <OmniMancer> DraX: heeeeeellllllppppp[07:27:26] <OmniMancer> how do I tell it to build class path with no java compiler[07:27:27] <OmniMancer> ?[07:28:26] <DraX> nfi[07:28:41] <DraX> i don't know anything about classpath[07:29:05] <OmniMancer> okay how may I possibly do it? also does class path rely on a java compiler?[07:30:17] <DraX> maybe so[07:30:33] <OmniMancer> that would be extremely counterproductive[07:30:40] <DraX> indeed[07:30:43] <OmniMancer> also mmu_screen is in #classpath :/[07:31:00] <OmniMancer> the problem is ofcourse that you need java[07:31:13] <OmniMancer> if you could remove that need then we would not have this problem :P[07:40:20] *** largo has quit IRC[07:40:33] <OmniMancer> sigh DraX[07:40:42] <OmniMancer> it looks like class path needs a java compiler[07:41:18] <OmniMancer> um could the .class files be compiled on a separate machine and put in the right place so it won't be sad about them not existing and so won't build them?[07:43:06] <DraX> maybe[07:43:52] <cpr420> you could do the same with openjdk though[07:45:31] <DraX> for some reason andrew finds that unacceptable thouh[07:46:03] <cpr420> right, just saying it's the same thing whether you do it with classpath or harmony or openjdk or ...[07:46:53] <OmniMancer> I just want to do it so I can build vmkit so I can run ecj so I can build openjdk :P[07:47:09] * DraX loves the power of suggestion[07:50:47] *** largo has joined #haiku[07:51:11] <OmniMancer> once you can run ecj on haiku you can then build classpath with vmkit and ecj :P[07:51:48] <DraX> if it doesn't require generics you could use jikes to compile classpath[07:52:22] <DraX> but it seems doubtful that classpath wouldn't need generics[07:54:08] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[07:54:18] *** uizogbiq has joined #haiku[07:57:39] <OmniMancer> it can apparentyl use jikes[07:57:51] <OmniMancer> next, does jikes run on haiku?[07:58:51] <DraX> it's been implied that it does[07:59:09] <OmniMancer> :([07:59:28] <OmniMancer> how long a chain of java compilers and runtimes will be needed before we get the right ones?[07:59:41] <DraX> :D[08:00:30] <OmniMancer> also who is andrew and why does he find the compile elsewhere approach unacceptable?[08:04:27] <OmniMancer> so where can I find jikes?[08:07:15] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:13:32] *** Kokito has quit IRC[08:15:06] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[08:19:26] * Disreali is idle: BRB[08:19:49] <OmniMancer> :([08:25:35] *** Andrius has quit IRC[08:26:36] <H_MrSun> yeey soon we got BLooper also :)[08:26:48] <H_MrSun> the refactoring how i do stuff in D made it ALOT easier and faster to write the D files :)[08:26:58] <H_MrSun> as it almost to the dots mimic how i do in C now :P[08:28:33] <OmniMancer> :P[08:28:51] *** e-jones has joined #haiku[08:29:35] <H_MrSun> but its getting big[08:29:46] <H_MrSun> starting to get lost in what im currently working at and what is not quite done :)[08:29:57] <H_MrSun> i guess those parts will surface when i start using it tho[08:30:01] <H_MrSun> "oh this function is missing": P[08:30:15] <OmniMancer> :P[08:31:12] * OmniMancer tries to find jikes to attempt to build classpath with[08:34:14] <H_MrSun> i wonder when i get my new stepper driver and if they end up where they should :P[08:34:31] <H_MrSun> as i noticed a mistake in the address, but "sweden" is at the end so hope it will end up here :P[08:36:17] <OmniMancer> :P[08:40:03] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[08:46:14] *** lorglas_laptop has quit IRC[08:47:13] *** spac[fr] has joined #haiku[08:54:00] <OmniMancer> what is the jdk javac written in?[08:54:46] <DraX> java[08:55:19] <OmniMancer> :/[08:55:48] <OmniMancer> why do people have the irrational urge to use java for writing compilers?[08:57:56] <OmniMancer> for jdk javac I could understand but other compilers...[09:00:19] <DraX> lame that all the c compilers are writtenin c too[09:00:29] <DraX> :P[09:02:47] *** david3 has joined #haiku[09:06:58] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[09:09:43] <OmniMancer> :P[09:13:34] <H_MrSun> well, i just got first life out of a BLooper! =)[09:14:15] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[09:16:27] <H_MrSun> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/tests/kits/app/messaging/HandlerLooperMessageTest.cpp <-- that test converted to D == success =)[09:20:41] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[09:24:04] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[09:27:11] *** david3 has quit IRC[09:31:44] <H_MrSun> hmm, finns 2 funktioner i en klass som heter "IsLocked" den ena är private den andra public och const, hur fan kallar jag den som är public? :/[09:32:08] <H_MrSun> kanske lär göra en jävla bridge class endå :/[09:37:48] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[09:38:07] <kieselsteini> hi there[09:40:24] *** The123king has joined #haiku[09:52:10] <H_MrSun> dumdidum :)[09:56:55] <The123king> Morning[09:58:40] *** Engleek has joined #haiku[10:01:29] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:04:14] <CIA-45> zooey * r36013 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/ (5 files): * fix a couple of style issues[10:09:58] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[10:10:17] <Xeon3D> morning..[10:20:15] <JonathanThompson> Can you prove it?[10:24:09] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[10:27:22] <The123king> prove what?[10:27:51] <JonathanThompson> That it's morning ;)[10:28:03] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:28:19] * JonathanThompson wonders if a technical book that spells "scratch" as "scatch" had anyone check the code in it, either...[10:28:24] <The123king> Well, it's morning for me :o[10:32:26] *** ukev has joined #haiku[10:32:55] <CIA-45> zooey * r36014 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/libroot/posix/locale/ (LocaleBackend.cpp LocaleBackend.h setlocale.cpp):[10:32:55] <CIA-45> * all parts of the decision whether or not to load the backend have been moved[10:32:55] <CIA-45> into setlocale(), no need to keep them separate[10:44:33] *** largo1 has joined #haiku[10:45:08] *** brime has quit IRC[10:45:34] *** largo has quit IRC[10:46:42] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[10:48:09] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[10:52:39] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[11:00:54] *** The123king1 has joined #haiku[11:01:43] *** The123king2 has joined #haiku[11:04:26] *** The123king has quit IRC[11:05:24] *** The123king1 has quit IRC[11:06:25] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:10:16] *** Ingenu_ has joined #haiku[11:14:00] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[11:14:01] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[11:15:12] *** The123king2 is now known as The123king[11:15:30] *** The123king has quit IRC[11:15:30] *** The123king has joined #haiku[11:35:47] <Xeon3D> The123king: JonathanThompson is in a strange timezone :P[11:41:23] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[11:43:56] <The123king> ahhh[12:02:56] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[12:02:59] *** david3 has joined #haiku[12:03:03] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[12:04:10] *** largo1 is now known as largo[12:06:29] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[12:26:02] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:28:33] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[12:29:35] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[12:37:15] *** Viggo-Dratnev has joined #haiku[12:40:11] *** impy has quit IRC[12:42:30] *** wildur has joined #haiku[12:50:12] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[12:50:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[12:50:43] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[12:52:21] *** madechidna has quit IRC[13:11:26] <sevcsik> hi[13:12:52] <sevcsik> the services kit gsoc idea says that HTTP/HTTPS protocol handling has to be included in the base code[13:13:46] <sevcsik> but there's also a network framework idea. that doesn't include http?[13:14:00] <sevcsik> or the two projets will run in parallel?[13:14:16] *** BGA has joined #haiku[13:14:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[13:17:16] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:17:40] <leszek> hi[13:29:31] <OmniMancer> DraX: can you please find out if class path can be built on haiku and if so acquire for me a build of it or instructions?[13:34:46] *** scriptdevil has joined #haiku[13:43:59] *** Engleek has quit IRC[13:44:28] *** scriptdevil has quit IRC[13:45:04] *** scriptdevil has joined #haiku[13:48:11] *** scriptdevil has quit IRC[13:48:38] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[13:49:57] <Advant> whoop whooop[13:51:32] <OmniMancer> whoop whooop?[13:51:46] <Advant> i'm hammered[14:00:03] *** nopper has joined #haiku[14:04:59] <OmniMancer> night[14:05:29] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[14:05:42] *** TechnoMancer|Hai has quit IRC[14:08:17] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:12:08] *** Engleek has joined #haiku[14:13:09] *** Engleek has quit IRC[14:17:28] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:27:01] *** leszek has quit IRC[14:46:48] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[14:54:50] *** Viggo-Dratnev is now known as impy[14:59:19] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[14:59:27] *** absabs has joined #haiku[15:01:10] *** Ola has joined #haiku[15:01:38] *** Ola is now known as Guest41387[15:02:59] *** Guest41387 is now known as OlaHughson[15:03:17] * Disreali has returned[15:03:56] <MrSunshine> i read retarded ...[15:04:02] <MrSunshine> you shouldnt type stuff like that :P[15:10:39] <OlaHughson> Returner is a name of Gackt 's song[15:11:56] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[15:13:22] <Disreali> MrSunshine, all I did was type /back. Vision did the rest[15:13:34] <MrSunshine> :P[15:14:18] <Disreali> MrSunshine, how is your D bindings project progressing?[15:14:28] <MrSunshine> Disreali, forward :)[15:14:36] <Disreali> cool[15:14:37] <MrSunshine> tested BHandler/BLooper today and seems to be working[15:16:45] <Disreali> breakfast time. bbl[15:17:04] * Disreali is idle: BRB[15:19:13] *** sprma has joined #haiku[15:22:03] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:22:35] *** fly-away is now known as dieselpower[15:28:28] <CIA-45> adek336 * r683 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/gnash/ (gnash-0.bep install-gnash-deps):[15:28:28] <CIA-45> gnash[15:28:28] <CIA-45> * remove Haiku Alpha related post install code;[15:28:28] <CIA-45> * move the code responsible for downloading packages of dependencies to it's own file.[15:31:58] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[15:33:33] *** sprma has quit IRC[15:36:04] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[15:39:14] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[15:39:52] *** sprma has joined #haiku[15:41:25] *** _maniac_ is now known as maniac|aw[15:47:24] <mmu_screen> anyone has a nice screenshot of the ALM editor ?[15:49:53] <saivert> first you create the universe[15:58:31] *** david3 has quit IRC[15:58:49] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[15:59:08] <BGA> Then you make an apple pie. The you start over but, this time, you better do the damn ALM editor screenshot![15:59:50] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:02:44] <mmu_screen> Disreali: yeah I have the PDF but it doesn't have shots of the editor itself on a full desktop[16:03:15] <mmu_screen> and they seem to be JPG anyway, ugly[16:05:01] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:05:41] *** helf has quit IRC[16:07:05] <Disreali> never saw the ALM until I did the google search just now[16:08:15] <Disreali> I'm experiencing issues with BePDF. should I submit a ticket to trac or elsewhere?[16:08:26] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[16:08:28] *** helf has joined #haiku[16:11:34] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[16:17:26] *** david3 has joined #haiku[16:18:53] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[16:19:13] *** judgen has joined #haiku[16:19:46] <judgen> where do i find the nightlies nowdays=[16:19:47] <judgen> ?[16:20:21] <Auronandace> http://www.haiku-files.org[16:20:52] <judgen> Auronandace: Any EU mirror?[16:21:12] <Auronandace> don't know sorry[16:22:30] <judgen> wow bos-wars =D[16:22:35] <judgen> that will be fun to try out[16:24:11] <judgen> should i use the GCC4hybrid. Is there any app that wont work on gcc4h?[16:26:56] <judgen> listening to the november gnash show of FLOSS weekly.[16:27:03] <judgen> Quite interesting.[16:27:52] <Disreali> judgen: the gcc2hybrid is the recommend version[16:28:12] <judgen> Disreali: I know that, but seems to be software that only runs on GCC4 versions.[16:28:42] <Disreali> the gcc2hybrid has gcc4 libs[16:29:50] <judgen> Disreali: example: "***ONLY WORKS WITH HAIKU GCC4 OR GCC4HYBRID***BE WARNED!***" (From Bos wars haiku-ware readme)[16:30:05] <judgen> but i have seen others too earlier[16:30:07] *** e-jones has quit IRC[16:30:37] <mmadia> judgen : lemme guess, it's an SDL game from micheal oliveria?[16:31:34] <judgen> mmadia: Think so[16:31:53] <Disreali> morning mmadia[16:32:10] <mmadia> yeah, he doesn't care about trying to package the software properly to work on te official release.[16:32:38] <mmadia> hi Disreali, *[16:33:13] <judgen> mmadia: Is this driver available for Haiku? http://patrick.lafarguette.free.fr/en/beos/3c920/ ?[16:34:16] <judgen> im downloadin the nigtlies just to check =P[16:34:30] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[16:34:41] <mmadia> there is a 3com driver[16:34:45] <judgen> since it didnt work well at all with the version a1 on haiku-os.org.[16:35:24] <judgen> Feels kinda silly to have to reboot to R5 for networking and downloading the files i want to try out.[16:37:13] <judgen> Think this SDL game could compile? http://studiostok.se/?page=netnuclear ,seems to be quite funny.[16:38:36] <CIA-45> scottmc * r684 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/openssl/openssl-1.0.0.bep: updated openssl-1.0.0.bep to allow proper building of zip file. thanks auggiedoggie[16:40:25] *** Kroki has quit IRC[16:40:44] <mmadia> filing a dev.haiku-os.org/newticket with the output of your `listdev` would help.[16:41:26] <Disreali> mmadia, to whom are you addressing?[16:42:17] <mmadia> judgen. about the network card that didnt work in r1a1[16:46:12] <Disreali> bbl[16:46:22] *** wildur has quit IRC[16:46:28] <judgen> mmadia: nope[16:47:39] <judgen> mmadia: but i will do that. It recognizes the hardware, i can pink my ip, but i can never get further. In other words the exact problem i have in Zeta. I always have to install the driver from the link i gave earlier.[16:47:47] <judgen> ping*[16:48:25] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[16:48:50] <mmadia> mentioning that on the ticket would be good.[16:49:00] <judgen> ok, i will do that.[16:51:22] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[16:53:16] <judgen> ok reboot and install of haiku =D[16:53:29] *** judgen has quit IRC[16:53:58] *** rohit123 has joined #haiku[16:55:32] *** judgen has joined #haiku[16:56:48] *** rohit123 has quit IRC[16:58:04] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[17:02:09] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:03:06] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[17:03:15] <judgen> wow this install is hugely slower =F[17:03:29] <judgen> more data i guess.[17:04:51] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:05:35] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[17:06:34] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[17:07:54] *** Kroki has quit IRC[17:08:12] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[17:10:17] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[17:10:25] <judgen> ok done installing, time for a reboot.[17:10:34] *** judgen has quit IRC[17:13:58] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[17:15:48] *** judgen has joined #haiku[17:16:10] <judgen> mmadia: yup, the exact same problem with newest build too[17:22:19] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:22:44] *** uizogbiq has left #haiku[17:33:11] <judgen> mmadia ticket posted. http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5661[17:33:18] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[17:33:22] <mmadia> thanks[17:35:55] <judgen> If there is any other info needded, i would be most happy to oblige.[17:43:09] * eml finally bought a realtek network card :)[17:43:36] <judgen> eml i have been seriously unlucky with all my realtek cards after 8139.[17:44:31] <judgen> the best driver support i have had is the broadcom drivers and tigon drivers (allthough that is in BeOS, but i think they are included in haiku)[17:45:22] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[17:46:34] <judgen> tried alot of stuff to get the 8100cl and blc chips from realtek working in BeOS and haiku for over a year.. then my barebone burned up due to overheating, then i bought a new motherboard and case... that solved it. In my non-portable computer i now use an 1839c and things are just peachy =D[17:47:03] <eml> judgen: I bought a 8139[17:47:07] <eml> an 8139*[17:47:10] <eml> Sadly it's not working either[17:47:11] *** absabs has quit IRC[17:47:25] <eml> I don't think my onboard broadcom card was the problem[17:47:31] <eml> It must be something else :p[17:47:34] <judgen> eml what version of 1839?[17:47:40] <eml> D[17:48:26] <judgen> should work, maybe you just have an router with ipv6 prio over ipv4. I had that problem once when visiting a friend.[17:48:40] <judgen> We just disabled ipv6 and it started to work just fine.[17:48:46] <eml> Same thing as with my broadcom, everything's recognized in Devices. kirellis told me what the problem was but I didn't understand[17:49:07] <eml> Oh, that might be worth looking into, sadly I'm completely dumb when it comes to configuring the linux box we use as a router[17:49:18] <judgen> but my current 3com issue is not related to ipv6 though.[17:51:17] <eml> It's time to dive into IPCop documentation to find out :P[17:55:25] *** dieselpower has quit IRC[18:04:41] <eml> judgen: I don't think that's the problem[18:04:42] <Xeon3D> funnily enough I also had problems with realtek 8139 cards... but a 8169 IIRC worked.[18:05:26] <eml> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5 I remember being URL'd to this bug when I first asked about the problem[18:08:45] <judgen> Xeon3D different driver, and different author.[18:09:06] <judgen> atleast i think its an different author[18:09:13] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:09:40] <eml> Apparently there might be a little hack around this problem I am having[18:10:12] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[18:10:13] <eml> Adding sc->irq->r_bushandle = 0x0A; (in if_wpi.c line 557, as suggested by luroh) <- only probably something else than 0x0A :-P[18:11:11] <judgen> interesting[18:12:31] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[18:12:36] <eml> err[18:12:39] <judgen> ill try a different approach now[18:12:44] <eml> I got it working[18:12:51] <eml> But not the realtek, the broadcom card[18:12:56] <judgen> eml gratz[18:12:58] <eml> :)[18:13:14] <luroh> yeah, colin helped me hardcoding my nics' IRQs like that (both wifi and eth actually)[18:13:38] <eml> Down there along PCI configuration in BIOS there was this option called Onboard LAN boot rom or something like that, it wasn't visible before going down all items which eventually scrolled down. Enabling that solved my problem. Yay![18:13:40] <luroh> let me know if you need the eth hack[18:14:14] <eml> Greetings from Haiku.[18:15:57] <luroh> DraX: ping[18:16:20] *** {V}_ has quit IRC[18:16:59] *** nopper has quit IRC[18:17:27] <judgen> brb[18:17:29] *** judgen has quit IRC[18:17:42] <humdinger> Evil: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/free_expression_cartoons/1-PRO-Matthews-Altarboys.jpg (-:C[18:18:42] *** Micc has quit IRC[18:24:02] *** Geoz has quit IRC[18:26:27] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:27:41] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[18:28:41] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[18:29:10] *** judgen has joined #haiku[18:30:55] *** nopper has joined #haiku[18:31:04] *** dunix has joined #haiku[18:31:32] *** judgen has quit IRC[18:31:38] *** judgen has joined #haiku[18:31:45] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[18:33:46] *** madechidna has joined #haiku[18:34:07] *** aldeck has quit IRC[18:38:48] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:39:37] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[18:40:17] <Lelldorin1> hi all[18:41:57] <judgen> hi Lelldorin1[18:42:06] <judgen> long time.[18:42:27] <judgen> mostly due to my inactiviti maybe.[18:42:32] <judgen> =D[18:44:08] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:44:35] * Xeon3D needs to get a screen[18:44:48] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:44:49] <Xeon3D> so i can have my haiku box working again :P[18:44:54] <Xeon3D> heya pulkomandy.[18:48:05] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:50:02] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[18:50:46] <PulkoMandy> hey[18:51:10] *** david3 has quit IRC[18:51:14] <PulkoMandy> mh... tried to buy train tickets for begeistert in france... I can go to dusseldorf but not get back[18:51:22] <Lelldorin1> :-([18:51:26] <PulkoMandy> they told me to come again next week to see if it's unlocked[18:51:30] <Lelldorin1> why you cant get a ticket back?[18:51:45] <Lelldorin1> ah ok[18:51:57] <PulkoMandy> apparently the computer system refuses to sell me german tickets[18:53:19] <Kokito> PulkoMandy, it´s a plot to steal French talent :)[18:53:58] <Lelldorin1> http://www.bahn.de/i/view/GBR/en/index.shtml[18:55:01] <Lelldorin1> german train center ^^: http://www.bahn.de/i/view/GBR/en/index.shtml[18:55:14] <Lelldorin1> try to get a ticket directly from there[18:56:12] *** david3 has joined #haiku[18:58:11] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[18:58:15] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:58:24] *** Zaranthos_1 has joined #haiku[18:59:04] *** Zaranthos_1 has quit IRC[18:59:17] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[18:59:20] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1, yes, but this one won't sell me the french part of the travel[18:59:31] <PulkoMandy> I guess that's ok now that I have the rest[18:59:59] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[19:00:43] <Lelldorin1> PulkoMandy: ah ok[19:01:24] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[19:03:08] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[19:03:15] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:09:45] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[19:10:02] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:15:10] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[19:16:21] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[19:16:42] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:17:16] <madechidna> cough cough http://spindash.org/blog/?p=80[19:17:50] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[19:18:31] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[19:18:35] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[19:18:53] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:21:29] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[19:25:18] *** arun has quit IRC[19:27:42] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:29:35] <CIA-45> pulkomandy * r36015 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Update japanese translation credits.[19:30:06] * JonathanThompson moos[19:30:08] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[19:30:16] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[19:30:36] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:31:11] <Kokito> thanks PulkoMandy :)[19:31:32] <PulkoMandy> :)[19:31:33] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[19:33:01] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:34:19] *** The123king has quit IRC[19:35:09] *** cobra-the-joker has joined #haiku[19:35:15] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[19:35:58] <cobra-the-joker> hey guys .... is haiku suitable for a laptop ?[19:36:40] *** The123king has joined #haiku[19:36:40] <humdinger> running perfectly here, cobra-the-joker[19:36:43] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:36:58] <PulkoMandy> there is no powersaving yet[19:37:12] <PulkoMandy> but it's ok for everything else[19:37:24] <PulkoMandy> (oh, and wpa wifi isn't working yet either)[19:37:54] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:39:24] *** jmayfield has joined #haiku[19:39:32] <Kokito> can anyone open this page http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/764350/ce/uk/ in web+?[19:39:58] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:40:26] <Kokito> here, it goes into what looks like a never ending reloading loop[19:41:24] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[19:41:59] <eml> Loads in Safari[19:42:11] <eml> No never ending loop[19:43:24] <Kokito> eml, thanks, but my question was specific to loading the page in Web+ :)[19:43:33] <eml> Oh alright[19:45:56] <Kokito> eml, it loads OK here in other browsers (FF & Chrome), so I am thinking that it may be a Web+ specific problem, in which case I could post a bug report :)[19:46:31] *** cobra-the-joker has left #haiku[19:46:52] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[19:49:54] <eml> Ok =)[19:50:38] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[19:50:38] *** arun has joined #haiku[19:50:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[19:50:39] *** judgen has quit IRC[19:54:37] *** BGA has quit IRC[19:55:30] <luroh> morning DraX, i have some wifi news from testing yesterday[19:56:21] <DraX> ?[19:56:54] <luroh> DraX: good news is i could connect to an unencrypted non-broadcasting network[19:57:11] <luroh> it just took a hell of a long time for it to connect[19:57:17] <luroh> like 10+ minutes[19:58:06] <luroh> i never got it to connect to a wep-encrypted non-broadcasting AP though[19:58:38] <luroh> despite waiting for more than 10 minutes several times and also leaving it alone during the night[19:58:48] <DraX> hmm[19:59:07] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:59:10] <luroh> i *think* i have a guess what could be the problem[19:59:50] <DraX> what do you think it is?[20:00:06] <luroh> after boot, the wifi device fires off two packets before i get a chance to run setwep[20:00:16] <luroh> i can see that by using ifconfig[20:00:48] <luroh> the thing is, after i set the needed parameters using setwep, no other packets are fired off[20:01:02] <DraX> that's.. weird[20:01:03] <luroh> total tx packet count is still 2[20:01:16] <DraX> well i'm not sure the accurrecy of that count[20:01:36] <DraX> but from the code, when you set ssid it forces a network reset and puts the wlan state machine into SCAN mode[20:01:41] <DraX> which should start the process rolling[20:01:49] <luroh> however....that doesn't explain why it suddenly decided (after 10+ min) to connect to the unencrypted non-broadcasting AP[20:02:22] <luroh> DraX: funny, i never see it go into SCAN mode (again, using ifconfig)[20:02:31] <DraX> ifconfig doesn't have that information[20:02:39] <DraX> i don't think ifconfig even has that information on frfeebsd[20:02:39] <DraX> \[20:02:46] <luroh> hm[20:05:41] <luroh> btw, searching for my ssid in a syslog from a non-successful session turns up empty[20:05:48] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[20:06:12] <luroh> fwiw[20:11:01] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[20:18:31] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[20:19:27] *** Disreali has quit IRC[20:21:17] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[20:25:20] <Disreali> wow, web+ took donw the system[20:25:46] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[20:25:52] *** dunix has quit IRC[20:30:05] <CIA-45> bonefish * r36016 /haiku/trunk/ (30 files in 30 dirs):[20:30:05] <CIA-45> DoCatalogs:[20:30:05] <CIA-45> * Renamed parameter "appName" to "target".[20:30:05] <CIA-45> * Replaced parameter "generatedCatalog" by "sourceLanguage" and made it[20:30:05] <CIA-45> optional. Default is "en".[20:30:05] <CIA-45> * Removed the no longer needed parameter from the DoCatalogs invocations.[20:35:07] *** helf has quit IRC[20:36:42] *** helf has joined #haiku[20:40:26] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:40:41] <sevcsik> hi[20:40:49] <sevcsik> the services kit gsoc idea says that HTTP/HTTPS protocol handling has to be included in the base code[20:40:55] <sevcsik> but there's also a network framework idea. that doesn't include http?[20:41:38] <Ingenu> quick question : HD5850 from PowerColor or Gygabyte ?[20:41:58] <Ingenu> any advice ?[20:43:06] <PulkoMandy> sevcsik, yes it does[20:43:24] <Ingenu> bbl[20:43:29] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:43:31] <PulkoMandy> the ideas in our list are quite open minded[20:43:46] <PulkoMandy> it's up to the students to refine whant they want to do and what they want to leave to others[20:46:38] <sevcsik> PulkoMandy: ok, thanks[20:51:52] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:54:52] *** tgunr has joined #haiku[20:55:26] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[21:02:11] * Disreali is idle: BRB[21:04:02] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[21:04:12] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:11:04] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[21:14:10] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[21:17:06] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[21:17:08] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[21:23:34] *** david3 has quit IRC[21:28:24] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[21:31:26] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[21:37:07] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[21:38:54] <Dane_> Are we having fun yet?[21:39:14] <oZ]> Getting there.[21:39:32] *** luroh has quit IRC[21:39:40] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[21:39:40] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:42:39] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[21:49:26] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:49:36] *** Dane_ has left #haiku[21:52:16] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:53:08] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[21:56:22] *** maniac|aw is now known as _maniac_[21:59:32] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:05:09] *** MasterStarman has joined #haiku[22:14:27] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:14:41] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:20:20] *** impy has quit IRC[22:20:53] *** impy has joined #haiku[22:21:58] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[22:22:10] *** genki has joined #haiku[22:32:04] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:34:45] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:35:19] *** Kokito has quit IRC[22:35:22] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[22:38:05] *** genki has quit IRC[22:39:46] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:40:11] *** impy has quit IRC[22:40:14] <Anarchos> how to convert an image to make an icon ? Icon-o-matic does not recognize drag and drop with PNG 32x32 24 bits[22:41:12] <mmadia> iirc, only svg can be imported and converted to HVIF[22:41:24] *** tgunr has quit IRC[22:41:56] *** tgunr has joined #haiku[22:42:45] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[22:43:58] <Anarchos> mmadia and how to make an svg from a png ?[22:44:11] <mmadia> no idea.[22:44:43] *** david3 has joined #haiku[22:53:43] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:54:46] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:56:31] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[23:01:33] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:02:11] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:04:04] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[23:04:31] *** l3thal_ has joined #haiku[23:05:03] *** wildur has joined #haiku[23:17:18] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:17:52] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:19:11] <CIA-45> zooey * r36017 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/ (7 files in 3 dirs):[23:19:11] <CIA-45> * adjusted setlocale() to support setting a different locale for each category[23:19:11] <CIA-45> * fleshed out backend some more, now there are (more or less stubbed) classes[23:19:11] <CIA-45> for each category, which will hold the respective data once we get to it[23:19:11] <CIA-45> * added LC_LAST and commentary note to locale.h[23:19:12] <CIA-45> * added trivial test locale_test.cpp[23:19:13] <CIA-45> basic setting and getting of different locales seems to work now (still no effect, though)[23:20:15] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:27:16] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[23:28:43] *** Geoz has quit IRC[23:29:16] *** oZ] has quit IRC[23:30:41] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[23:33:19] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:33:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:38:03] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[23:39:25] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[23:42:11] *** [r4] has quit IRC[23:42:41] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[23:47:19] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:55:13] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[23:55:41] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[23:55:50] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:56:03] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[23:59:28] *** ukev has quit IRC