March 30, 2010 
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March 30, 2010 [00:03:40] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:06:17] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[00:09:52] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:11:57] <H_MrSun> time for sleep[00:12:10] <H_MrSun> big rework of init codes of the damn classes before i can go on with adding more classes :)[00:12:24] <H_MrSun> gnite =)[00:12:32] <H_MrSun> when will haiku get fan control etc? :/[00:12:47] <H_MrSun> this computer sounds ALOT and i dont want to turn it off when i sleep as i have alot of dev stuff up and running :)[00:14:14] <kirilla> night H_MrSun[00:14:54] <kirilla> no idea on an ETA for active fan control[00:15:13] <MrSunshine> sucks =)[00:15:29] <kirilla> I can imagine! :P modded my hardwar especially[00:16:07] <kirilla> for silence that is[00:16:22] <MrSunshine> well on a desktop sure[00:16:35] <MrSunshine> but on a laptop i don tknow how to mod :P[00:16:59] <kirilla> no, that'd be more involved :][00:18:18] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[00:20:57] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[00:21:05] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[00:21:08] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[00:21:12] *** dunix has quit IRC[00:26:50] <kirilla> good night[00:26:54] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:26:54] <OmniMancer1> night[00:30:22] <CyberKitsune> Hey #haiku[00:30:24] <CyberKitsune> how do I make a Haiku package file?[00:30:31] <CyberKitsune> to use with PackageInstaller?[00:32:40] *** Cian has joined #haiku[00:33:52] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[00:36:54] *** Viggo-Dratnev has joined #haiku[00:39:24] *** impy has quit IRC[00:39:33] *** Viggo-Dratnev is now known as impy[00:40:06] *** david3 has quit IRC[00:42:20] <DraX> no web+ comits today :/[00:42:49] <OmniMancer1> CyberKitsune: not sure how, I get the feeling its not the suggested means of distribution[00:42:50] <mmadia> stippi's been sick.[00:42:57] <DraX> poor stippi :([00:43:00] <OmniMancer1> :([00:43:04] <OmniMancer1> make him unsick![00:43:09] <OmniMancer1> :P[00:43:17] <DraX> mmadia: don't you have secret healing powers!?[00:43:19] * mmadia launched `Debugger stippi`[00:44:18] <DraX> twiddle his sick bit![00:46:00] *** rahulattuluri has joined #haiku[00:50:20] <CIA-45> mmadia * r36003 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[00:50:20] <CIA-45> * Added FTL aka FreeType Project License & updated AboutSystem to use it[00:50:20] <CIA-45> * Fixed the note for pdflib, we are indeed using PDFlib-Lite[00:50:20] <CIA-45> * Set atftp to GPL v2[00:53:25] <DraX> mmadia: have you started having dreams about OSS licneses yet?[00:55:38] *** rahulattuluri has left #haiku[00:57:13] <JonathanThompson> DraX: he's supposed to have dreams about #Haiku ;)[00:57:21] * JonathanThompson won't comment on his IRC dreams[00:57:38] *** E-WolfShade has joined #haiku[00:58:13] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[00:58:41] * DraX has irc dreams :([01:02:14] <JonathanThompson> Sad commentary, isn't it?[01:02:31] <JonathanThompson> The first time I logged into Windows NT 3.1 before it was out was in a dream.[01:02:34] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[01:02:38] * JonathanThompson shakes head[01:02:40] <Dane_> mmu_screen[01:03:11] * Dane_ shakes head in agreement...ah er...disagreement...uh...[01:03:42] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:03:57] <CyberKitsune> Hey, where is Haiku's GLU lib located at?[01:04:50] <Dane_> Anyone know the current status of the Gnash project for Haiku?[01:05:57] <Dane_> mmu_screen[01:07:13] <DraX> i think most of the haiku support was actually merged into gnash mainline[01:07:17] <DraX> if not all of it[01:07:32] <Dane_> Is it useable on Haiku at this point?[01:07:52] * Dane_ also wonders if it was intended to stand-alone or be a part of a browser like WebPositive?[01:08:45] <DraX> it supports being a browser plugin[01:08:54] <DraX> it's useable i think but not with web+ which doesn't have plugin support yet[01:09:01] <Dane_> got it[01:09:05] <Dane_> But under BeZilla?[01:09:10] <DraX> yeah[01:09:14] <Dane_> cool[01:09:23] <DraX> though why you would subject yourself to bezilla, i know not.[01:09:25] <Dane_> WebPositive is making some good progress[01:09:26] <Dane_> hehe[01:09:48] <Dane_> At this point, it's still a little less crashy than WebPositive.[01:10:54] <CyberKitsune> Hey #haiku[01:10:58] <CyberKitsune> I'm porting an app over[01:10:59] <CyberKitsune> er game[01:11:05] <CyberKitsune> and I want to know[01:11:12] <CyberKitsune> are there any issues dynloading OpenGL[01:11:13] <CyberKitsune> ?[01:11:40] <DraX> Dane_: make sure to report reproducable crashes ;)[01:11:55] <Dane_> DraX What's the best way to report them?[01:12:11] <DraX> haiku-webkit at freelists dot org[01:13:07] <Dane_> ok thanks[01:14:47] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:15:53] <Dane_> I notice NetPenguin crashes on connection attempt under the newer version of Haiku. What's a good alternative?[01:22:23] <DraX> ftp client in Terminal? :D[01:22:59] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:23:27] <Advant> Maybe should spent time writing FTP client in Haiku instead of SkyOS ;)[01:23:47] <DraX> skyos.. giggle[01:24:55] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:27:13] <stpere> openssl 1.0.0 got something interesting in its changelog! BeOS support! :D[01:27:19] <CyberKitsune> So yeah, does anyone know if Haiku has issues dynloading OpenGL?[01:27:38] <Advant> stpere: BeOS or Haiku?[01:29:11] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[01:30:04] <DraX> CyberKitsune: are you asking because you're seeing issues?[01:30:13] <stpere> BeOS[01:30:53] <JonathanThompson> Where is SkyOS going?[01:31:01] <Disreali> dead[01:31:17] <Disreali> long time ago[01:34:47] <Advant> I thought BeOS was dead, why would they list it?[01:35:39] <DraX> because the last openssl major release was like 10000000 years ago[01:35:45] <DraX> the beos support change is from 2006[01:35:50] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[01:36:12] <Advant> ah[01:36:45] <Advant> JonathanThompson: better chance of reserecting elvis than skyos ;)[01:36:59] <JonathanThompson> That's about what I figured :)[01:37:16] <JonathanThompson> The good news about trying to do such a thing: not much in the way of backwards compatibility to worry about![01:37:18] <Advant> even if rls's started coming back again I dont have much interest in it anymore[01:37:46] <JonathanThompson> The bad news: that's because there's not enough old software to achieve critical mass, combined with the herding cats syndrome of not having a known ending point :p[01:37:53] <Advant> rather dedicate efforts to haiku if i do anything, but I got too much to do for making money first :)[01:38:06] * JonathanThompson resembles that remark[01:38:09] <Dane_> Can someone remind me where I can enable the ftp server in Haiku?[01:38:22] <Dane_> I think it just has to be unremarked or something IIRC[01:38:30] <JonathanThompson> Is it in the network preferences?[01:38:40] <Dane_> was looking[01:38:44] * JonathanThompson hasn't had Haiku running remotely recently enough for a version to help[01:39:08] <JonathanThompson> For all I know, ssh is supported and FTP ignored due to security issues.[01:39:20] <JonathanThompson> As in, FTP is inherently insecure.[01:39:41] <Dane_> found it[01:39:49] <Cian> there's an ftpd in haiku anyway, JonathanThompson[01:39:57] <JonathanThompson> If I had any say in decisions as to priorities, I'd say FTP wouldn't be one, but ssh would be ;)[01:40:17] <JonathanThompson> That and scp.[01:40:19] <Dane_> How many non-programmers would be able to use it?[01:40:26] <JonathanThompson> ssh?[01:41:10] <JonathanThompson> ssh+scp is a good combination, even for non-programmers, once it's setup.[01:41:30] <Dane_> right, but getting there is not something the average person is going to be inclined to do[01:41:34] <JonathanThompson> If they can do a man on them, they can follow along, and it isn't rocket science, once things are setup with keys.[01:41:52] <Dane_> restarting network...bbl[01:41:53] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[01:41:56] <Cian> the average user can't "do a man" on anything, tbh[01:42:09] <Cian> FTP is mind numbingly simple to figure out[01:42:19] <JonathanThompson> I find myself that using FTP text commands is just more to try to remember how it works: standard shell commands are at least consistent.[01:42:45] <OmniMancer1> sFTP perhaps :P[01:42:58] <JonathanThompson> And if you want, putting a GUI shell over ssh/scp is no more complicated than FTP.[01:43:08] <OmniMancer1> or sFTP[01:43:22] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[01:43:30] <OmniMancer1> I think there exists an ftpd but it isn't run by default for obvious reasons[01:43:52] <JonathanThompson> Tell that to a non-technical user ;)[01:44:23] <OmniMancer1> tell them evil people will kill their computer if it runs[01:44:53] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[01:45:07] <JonathanThompson> Well, there's that: then there's setting it up if it isn't already running.[01:45:19] <JonathanThompson> Might as well start out with something secure in such cases ;)[01:45:24] <OmniMancer1> :)[01:45:32] <OmniMancer1> like ssh+scp or sftp[01:46:15] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[01:46:31] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[01:47:28] *** LoganA has joined #haiku[01:47:29] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[01:47:41] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[01:47:48] <Dane_> mmu_screen[01:49:38] <Disreali> wb Dane_[01:51:50] *** markos_ has quit IRC[01:52:00] <Disreali> Dane_: I think the mmu_screen nick is just his way of archiving this channel. he usually has a different nick when he is actually here[01:52:19] <Cian> yeah, screen indicates its on a terminal he's not seeing[01:52:37] <Dane_> Disreali k thanks[01:52:59] <Dane_> Does anyone know what the default username and password are for the ftp server?[01:53:16] <Dane_> There appears to be no way to set one in services settings.[01:53:33] <Dane_> I know I had it working at one time, but can't remember what the username password were[01:53:39] <Dane_> I was thinking "baron" but not sure[01:53:54] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:54:00] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[01:55:38] <Dane_> Disreali? Cian?[01:55:44] <Dane_> see above[01:57:16] *** oco has quit IRC[01:58:35] <Cian> unfortunately I haven't got a clue[01:59:43] *** margiolas has quit IRC[01:59:48] <OmniMancer> hmmm?[01:59:59] <Dane_> Does anyone know what the default username and password are for the ftp server?[02:00:20] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[02:00:28] <helf> anyone hear running a socket LGA 775 P4 or PD based machine that would like to upgrade cpus? :p I have a pentium d 955 sitting idle i wanna get rid of[02:00:33] <helf> s/hear/here/[02:03:00] <OmniMancer> the user is *probably* baron and no idea about password[02:03:45] <OmniMancer> no helf we live in the <slow voice for people who don't understand> future </slow voice for people who don't understand>[02:03:50] *** jmayfield has quit IRC[02:03:56] <helf> lolol[02:04:02] <helf> hey, just asking ;)[02:04:16] <Cian> Ryan said baron/baron in an email in September[02:05:31] <Dane_> trying it[02:06:13] <Dane_> ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server[02:06:16] <Dane_> whatever that indicates[02:06:33] <Dane_> ftp server's definitely running, it's in task mgr[02:06:34] <Dane_> hmm[02:06:48] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:07:01] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[02:07:52] <stpere> bought a bunch of stuff on haiku's cafepress shop[02:08:22] <Advant> funny, the power company here says it gives you a discount for early pay, but really they are charging you a fee if you are late ;)[02:09:48] <stpere> we had a restaurant that used to advertise soup or dessert included.. or 1 $ more if you wanted both and 1$ less if you took none :P[02:09:56] <stpere> let say it was 1$ each, m'kay? :)[02:09:59] <Cian> the main one here used to give you a "discount" equivalent to the credit card processing charges if you paid by direct debit[02:10:13] <helf> heh[02:10:16] <Cian> when they were told that that was identical to charging to use a credit card (illegal) they stopped taking them[02:10:30] <helf> several places here tack on an extra 60c or so if you use credit instead of cash[02:10:37] <Cian> govt. owned and all[02:11:08] <Cian> places that don't have the margin to take cards just don't here; some take debit cards only (15c flat fee rather than ~2.5% average on credit cards)[02:11:48] <Cian> the cheapest of the cheap supermarkets and petrol stations are cash/debit/fuelcards only and I even know of a cash-only restaurant - a posh one at that[02:13:02] <Cian> ebookers (orbitz) somehow get away with charging CC fees, but they appear to charge you exactly what its costing them; and they don't charge any for the main Irish debit card which works out grand for me[02:15:44] <Cian> the govt. chickened out of making "booking fees" and "handling fees" illegal last year, Ticketmaster and the airlines threw a hissy fit[02:17:53] <MadEchidna> JonathanThompson,[02:17:55] <MadEchidna> <MadEchidna> ****B-B-B-BREAKING NEWS IN MAD'S LOVE LIFE****[02:17:55] <MadEchidna> <MadEchidna> We have just received confirmation via SMS that the female friend is indeed single[02:17:55] <MadEchidna> <MadEchidna> <chick> i Get home round 6 and the ex will be picking up the remainder of his things. After that i will text and you can head over. And sorry. I had to wait for a break[02:18:10] <MadEchidna> special thanks to google voice ;)[02:18:29] <Advant> geez[02:18:46] <MadEchidna> her ex bf isn't even moved out yet and I'm swooping in >)[02:18:47] <Advant> dude's barely got his shit out the door when she is hooking up[02:18:51] <MadEchidna> yep[02:18:56] <MadEchidna> also we're not "hooking up"[02:18:58] <Advant> you are a rebounder now[02:19:06] <MadEchidna> we're old friends and I just happened to contact her when this all happened[02:19:12] <MadEchidna> if that's how things end up that's my luck[02:19:52] <MadEchidna> it's really just bizzare timing[02:20:08] <MadEchidna> I was supposed to go hang out with her when she was still with him, a month or so ago, and she was sick and cancelled[02:20:13] <MadEchidna> then I never bothered to follow up[02:20:20] <MadEchidna> yesterday I felt bad and wrote to her[02:20:27] <MadEchidna> and found out she had just lost her "room mate[02:20:35] <MadEchidna> so I didn't even know she's single till a few minutes ago[02:21:15] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:21:34] <Cian> women confuse me...[02:21:43] <Advant> and one of my favorite phrases, "hangin' and bangin'"[02:22:03] *** DHowett has quit IRC[02:22:49] <CyberKitsune> Hey MadEchidna[02:22:56] <CyberKitsune> I just ported SRB2 to Haiku ^^[02:23:04] <MadEchidna> "ported"[02:23:05] <MadEchidna> is that so[02:23:14] <CyberKitsune> Well yes, I had to modify code[02:23:17] <MadEchidna> heh[02:23:25] <MadEchidna> go post it on haikuware.com fgt[02:23:28] <CyberKitsune> I actually know some C++[02:23:36] <CyberKitsune> Will once I get network working[02:23:43] <MadEchidna> you know who else knew C++[02:23:47] <MadEchidna> that's right, Gerbilsoft[02:23:55] <MadEchidna> also post it anyway, just say it's an alpha[02:24:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[02:25:17] *** Igbanam has joined #haiku[02:27:02] <CyberKitsune> MadEchidna: Speaking of Gerbilsoft, dgen sucks, get Gens/gs ported :<[02:27:24] <MadEchidna> you first :|[02:27:41] <MadEchidna> it uses SDL how hard could it be[02:27:50] <MadEchidna> there are already tons of native SDL apps on Haiku[02:28:14] <MadEchidna> someone already ported the GUI so you just need to figure out the SDL part[02:28:23] <Cian> "native SDL" seems rather a misnomer to me[02:28:31] <MadEchidna> *stupid face*[02:28:54] <Cian> even if SDL was written on BeOS originally (according to apochrya([02:30:46] <MadEchidna> ha really/[02:31:45] <Cian> it was long before I was involved in IT properly but apparently it was written to ease porting DOOM to BeOS[02:32:00] <Cian> seeing as there wasa bout twenty billion DOOM ports, its not easily verifiable[02:36:58] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[02:37:32] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[02:38:24] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[02:38:37] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[02:38:42] <MadEchidna> hahaha[02:38:59] <MadEchidna> the irony is the very game CyberKitsune is talking about uses the DOOM engine, Cian :V[02:41:05] <Cian> I gave up on gaming around the time of DOOM it feels like sometimes ;)[02:43:27] <DraX> i thought loki games had written sdl to ease porting to linux[02:43:32] <DraX> of games in general[02:43:59] <DraX> from wikipedia: ``Sam Lantinga created the library, first releasing it in early 1998, while working for Loki Software.''[02:44:17] <MadEchidna> damn you and your facts and supporting evidence[02:44:34] <MadEchidna> it's kind of funny how most peopel think Linux is made by this group of hippies for free[02:44:47] <MadEchidna> when most of the major technology in your typical distro comes from corporations[02:44:48] <MadEchidna> ie[02:44:59] <MadEchidna> SDL (apparently), Nautilus[02:45:01] <MadEchidna> RPM[02:45:13] <curlyman_> Mozilla[02:45:16] <MadEchidna> yeah[02:45:36] <MadEchidna> most of what we know as gnome is from either Eazel, Sun, or Novell[02:46:05] <DraX> the real lesson is that people have the desiure but not the money to work for free[02:46:53] <OmniMancer> :P[02:46:57] <OmniMancer> indeed[02:47:10] <Advant> hehe[02:47:14] <DraX> and thus money rapidly accelerates the development of free things[02:47:20] <OmniMancer> :)[02:47:23] <Cian> wikpedia is neither facts nor supporting evidence a lot of the time ;)[02:47:37] <OmniMancer> depends what you look up :P[02:47:43] <OmniMancer> well the accuracy depends on that[02:47:45] <MadEchidna> and yet Haiku :|[02:47:58] <OmniMancer> I think most computer technical subjects on there are reasonably accurate[02:48:14] <DraX> MadEchidna: consider what an infusion of money has done to things like web+[02:48:43] <DraX> there has been a webkit port since what, 07?[02:49:13] <MadEchidna> quiet you[02:49:15] <MadEchidna> :P[02:49:26] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[02:49:43] <OmniMancer> then there are crazy people like me who do stuff when they are bored or not busy :P[02:49:49] <helf> :p[02:49:53] <Advant> i'm that person[02:50:00] <DraX> sure, pretty much every open source project exists because of that[02:50:05] <helf> "ive only noticed incorrect things a few times[02:50:07] <helf> and ive logged in and corrected it[02:50:09] <Advant> until said project starts to bore ;)[02:50:22] <OmniMancer> :([02:50:29] <MadEchidna> I once offered a $100 prize for a rom hack >_>[02:50:40] <OmniMancer> rom hack of what?[02:50:51] <DraX> it takes money to keep momentum, not because people get bored, but because invariably they need to do silly things like eat[02:50:55] <Advant> in the scale of working man, $100 isn't very much :)[02:51:15] <CyberKitsune> MadEchidna: Just fixed network[02:51:20] <OmniMancer> then there are also things which no amount of money will cause to happen[02:51:33] <OmniMancer> since they can't be done in the current framework or just can't be done :P[02:51:57] <Igbanam> !site[02:52:00] <Cian> $100 = 2 and a half hours overtime for me, likely even less time for most people; so you were limiting yourself to students :P[02:52:01] <DraX> current framework doesn't stop the power of money[02:52:22] <DraX> the impossible doesn't always either[02:52:25] <MadEchidna> <OmniMancer> rom hack of what?[02:52:26] <MadEchidna> Sonic CD[02:52:29] <MadEchidna> CyberKitsune, good[02:52:32] <MadEchidna> now post it fgt[02:52:32] <Advant> I did some candian university kids homework for money when I was in school[02:53:22] <Advant> my professor didn't see the humor in it, I was like who cares its a diff country ;)[02:54:27] <helf> $100 is 1/3 paycheck for me :p[02:54:32] <helf> ( i get paid weekly)[02:54:38] <MadEchidna> psh[02:54:54] <Cian> helf get a better job ;)[02:55:13] <helf> eventually[02:55:18] <Cian> its about 1/30th a paycheque for me, albeit mines monthly[02:55:31] <Cian> and thats not a well paid job by industry standards either[02:55:41] <helf> cool[02:55:53] *** saivert has quit IRC[02:56:10] <helf> bout to pick up a second job that'll triple my income[02:56:32] <Cian> they don't have problems with my utter lack of punctuality or occasional mental breakdowns, so I tolerate their shite pay[02:56:54] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[02:59:55][03:00:00] <Cian> thats, erm, quite expensive actually[03:00:58] <Cian> theres units for about 200 euro cheaper in the supermarket down the road[03:01:21] <E-WolfShade> 449 British pounds = 672.3775 U.S. dollars[03:01:34] <E-WolfShade> Not _that_ much for a laptop[03:01:41] <E-WolfShade> This coming from someone with no money, btw[03:02:26] <Cian> for a "from" price its horrendous[03:02:34] <E-WolfShade> True[03:02:38] <E-WolfShade> Especially on EBay[03:02:43] <Cian> even ignoring netbooks you should be able to get full-size laptops "from" 399 euro in shops, easily[03:03:26] <Cian> admittedly this country is currently being raped by the worst recession its ever, ever seen and the electronics retailers are mostly selling at a loss to keep stock moving; but thats beside the point ;)[03:04:21] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:04:36] *** E-WolfShade has quit IRC[03:05:23] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:10:12] *** OmniMancer has quit 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No[03:31:10] <MadEchidna> haha[03:31:45] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[03:32:07] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[03:34:11] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:35:19] *** _Qeos_ has quit IRC[03:40:11] *** Engleek has quit IRC[03:41:14] *** Malmis has quit IRC[03:43:16] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[03:46:15] *** Megaf has quit IRC[03:46:59] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:49:41] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[04:04:49] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[04:06:04] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:06:54] <CIA-45> mmadia * r36004 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[04:06:55] <CIA-45> * Added plain text version of PDFlib-Lite-license.pdf[04:06:55] <CIA-45> * Updated AboutSystem to utilize it[04:07:43] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[04:12:50] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[04:14:06] <l_n> helf: where are you working for $300/wk net?[04:15:39] *** Sloar has left #haiku[04:19:28] <jmayfield> i wish i lived somewhere where $300/wk was anything near enough to live on[04:19:47] <AlienSoldier> jobs got paid 1$ a year for a while, 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$2.99 for 4 or 5 of them.[04:27:08] <l_n> think plastic, 3d collector cards of small, monster-like thingies.[04:27:17] <jmayfield> ah.. heh[04:27:31] <AlienSoldier> those are awfull, it's like cocain for kids :)[04:27:47] <l_n> http://www.gogos-crazybones.com[04:28:11] <l_n> some of them actually look kinda cool.. maybe worth supergluing to a desktop case ;)[04:28:14] <l_n> or monitor.[04:28:36] <AlienSoldier> i nerver was a card collector, i was a lego guy[04:29:13] <jmayfield> my 9 yr old just joined a lego robot building club[04:29:26] <jmayfield> mindstorm stuff[04:29:26] <l_n> i have the limited edition tie advanced sitting on one of my computer desks.. took me 2 days + 1 month to put it together.[04:29:36] <l_n> the month was waiting on lego to ship me one missing piece.[04:30:06] *** ragcsee has quit IRC[04:30:11] *** ragcsee has joined #haiku[04:30:15] <jmayfield> i would have done damn near anything to have access to f'ing robotic legos when i was a kid[04:30:41] <jmayfield> i 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script,[07:28:55] <CIA-45> build_archive. Updated ImageRules accordingly. Tested on the following:[07:28:55] <CIA-45> * jam -q -sTARGET_BOOT_PLATFORM=pxe_ia32 pxehaiku-loader haiku-netboot-archive[07:28:55] <CIA-45> * jam -q haiku-boot-floppy[07:28:55] <CIA-45> * jam -q haiku-alternative-gcc-archive[07:30:48] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[07:31:13] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[07:31:51] <OmniMancer> mmadia: you do realise those two were named the same? 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everyone went quiet[09:55:43] <OmniMancer> 14%[09:56:03] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[09:56:28] *** Cian has quit IRC[09:57:45] <MrSunshine> DraX, pong?[09:58:33] <OmniMancer> yay errors :D[09:58:38] <OmniMancer> he MrSunshine[09:58:40] <OmniMancer> hey[09:58:46] <MrSunshine> lo[10:02:52] * OmniMancer cries[10:03:17] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[10:05:04] <OmniMancer> sigh[10:05:09] <OmniMancer> it doesn't like me :([10:05:43] *** wildur has joined #haiku[10:13:53] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[10:15:07] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:19:41] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[10:22:25] *** Qeos has quit IRC[10:23:39] <OmniMancer1> where is float.h in haiku?[10:28:49] *** impy has quit IRC[10:34:01] <OmniMancer1> hmm?[10:37:28] <OmniMancer1> DraX: you still here for pestering?[10:41:13] *** ktkhuong has joined #haiku[10:54:18] *** impy has joined #haiku[10:55:01] *** impy has joined #haiku[10:55:26] *** impy has joined #haiku[10:55:56] *** impy has joined #haiku[11:05:44] *** sprma has quit 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#haiku[12:19:13] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[12:20:47] *** Megaf has quit IRC[12:30:34] <OmniMancer1> diagnosed[12:30:49] <OmniMancer1> stupid llvm cmake option[12:38:06] <OmniMancer1> haiku should have a HUGE_VALF that withstands c++ -pedantic mode[12:38:35] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:38:42] *** e-jones has joined #haiku[12:52:28] *** Ola has joined #haiku[12:52:53] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[13:05:46] *** wildur has joined #haiku[13:14:05] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[13:17:21] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[13:17:54] *** wildur has quit IRC[13:21:55] <NightlyUser> stippi is doing a great job with webpositive[13:24:21] <NightlyUser> does he plan on adding a home button?[13:27:05] <NightlyUser> also, is it a big job to get tooltips working?[13:28:33] <NightlyUser> it would enhance the humour of xkcd[13:31:49] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[13:36:25] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[13:36:46] <OmniMancer1> why does haiku use a union to do HUGE_VALF[13:37:02] <OmniMancer1> since this disagrees with g++ in pedantic mode![13:46:06] <OmniMancer1> 20%[13:47:16] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[13:47:28] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[13:49:47] <OmniMancer1> we are nearly at 25%[13:50:17] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[13:54:21] <OmniMancer1> 25%[13:57:46] *** BGA has joined #haiku[13:57:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[13:58:29] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:00:33] <OmniMancer1> DraX: you here?[14:05:07] <OmniMancer1> I guess stubborn people will want llvm to build with the configure/make method as well as cmake?[14:07:17] <OmniMancer1> 40%[14:13:33] *** rohit123 has joined #haiku[14:14:07] <rohit123> Dosen't the linker the same way for Haiku as it works in Linux ?[14:14:24] <rohit123> Doesen't the linker run the same way for Haiku as it works for linux[14:14:36] <OmniMancer1> why?[14:15:01] <OmniMancer1> rohit123: why do you ask?[14:15:21] <rohit123> I have created the dynamic linked library in c which has a libhello.so library[14:15:27] <rohit123> This links fine under linux.[14:15:51] <OmniMancer1> 53%[14:15:58] <rohit123> But it does not link under Haiku giving me an error: runtime loader[14:16:08] <rohit123> :no such file or directory[14:16:12] <OmniMancer1> hmmm don't know[14:16:20] <OmniMancer1> you probably put the file in the wrong place[14:16:38] <rohit123> I have set the -L flag for gcc[14:16:56] <NightlyUser> rock on OmniMancer1, you're over halfway there![14:17:13] *** kitallis has quit IRC[14:17:38] <OmniMancer1> rohit123: um if its in the runtime loader...[14:17:43] <OmniMancer1> then its out of gcc's hands[14:18:14] <rohit123> OmniMancer1: okay[14:18:16] <OmniMancer1> I really should turn everything except x86 off :P[14:18:44] <OmniMancer1> rohit123: if this is after compiling it then you need the .so in the search path[14:19:12] <rohit123> OmniMancer1: okay I will try that.[14:20:27] <OmniMancer1> 60%[14:20:52] <OmniMancer1> I hope this works it means that I still won't have to do much to get llvm working on haiku :P[14:21:21] <rohit123> OmniManer1: llvm?[14:22:14] <OmniMancer1> yes llvm[14:22:18] <OmniMancer1> I am building it[14:22:31] <OmniMancer1> there are a few changes required and they haven't changed since last time :P[14:22:31] <rohit123> OmniMancer1: ok[14:22:37] <OmniMancer1> clang too[14:22:47] <NightlyUser> imagine if something goes wrong at 99%[14:22:53] <OmniMancer1> unfortunately though clang will compile it needs a little more work to make it work[14:23:08] <OmniMancer1> NightlyUser: more likely somewhere in clang :P[14:23:28] <NightlyUser> i hope it works for you[14:24:32] <OmniMancer1> llvm probably will but since cmake doesn't build examples I cannot tell[14:24:41] <OmniMancer1> although now I should be able to run the testsuite![14:25:20] <OmniMancer1> 68%[14:26:34] <OmniMancer1> I really must sleep though[14:27:03] <NightlyUser> it's 1:30pm here, britain[14:27:44] <OmniMancer1> funny its 1:31 am here in new zealand :D[14:29:16] <OmniMancer1> now lets hope for a lack of explosions during linking of the first tool[14:29:29] <OmniMancer1> yay no explosions[14:29:57] <NightlyUser> wouldn't want to wake anyone :)[14:30:16] <OmniMancer1> :P[14:31:11] <OmniMancer1> 72%[14:31:35] <rohit123> OmniMancer1: I put the lib in all possible library paths available in haiku[14:31:43] <rohit123> OmniMancer1: no success[14:31:55] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[14:31:59] <rohit123> OmniMancer1: did a env in bash to find all the library paths[14:32:14] <OmniMancer1> did you put it in the lib directory in the same place as the binary?[14:32:29] <rohit123> Yes[14:32:42] <OmniMancer1> hmmm[14:32:47] <OmniMancer1> well I have no more ideas :P[14:32:54] <OmniMancer1> Im not experienced enough[14:32:59] <rohit123> OmniMancer1: np![14:33:25] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[14:34:26] *** rohit123 has quit IRC[14:35:03] <OmniMancer1> yay clang is building now[14:37:24] <OmniMancer1> 80%[14:37:41] <NightlyUser> ooh, getting closer[14:44:35] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[14:44:56] <OmniMancer1> I really should sleep now[14:45:20] <mmadia42> OmniMancer1 : later haiku-3rdparty-dev mailing list will be useful[14:45:26] <NightlyUser> but you're so close[14:45:27] <mmadia42> or haiku-development[14:45:49] <OmniMancer1> mmadia42: I might be able to get changes into llvm trunk again[14:46:04] <OmniMancer1> but actual fixes rather than work arounds are nice[14:46:09] <mmadia42> woot[14:46:26] <OmniMancer1> its 84%[14:46:45] <OmniMancer1> mmadia42: what I have are workarounds, we need fixes[14:47:01] <OmniMancer1> also HUGE_VALF must be fixed![14:47:28] <mmadia42> dev.haiku-os.org/newticket[14:47:34] <OmniMancer1> :P[14:48:10] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[14:50:42] <OmniMancer1> maybe in the morning mmadia42[14:51:02] <NightlyUser> technically, it is the morning for you[14:51:12] <OmniMancer1> yes[14:51:16] <OmniMancer1> but later[14:51:23] <OmniMancer1> also 85%[14:51:23] <NightlyUser> i know, i'm being pedantic[14:51:54] <OmniMancer1> don't be pedantic it makes llvm not build because HUGE_VALF is broken in pedantic C++[14:52:35] <NightlyUser> hence the need for the bug report[14:52:39] <NightlyUser> :)[14:52:48] <OmniMancer1> :P[14:53:49] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[14:54:41] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[14:56:56] <OmniMancer1> 87%[14:57:14] <OmniMancer1> I shall have to sleep now and inform on the results in the morning[14:57:17] <OmniMancer1> night[14:58:15] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[15:01:08] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:05:36] *** Garfield32 has joined #haiku[15:07:42] *** Disreali has quit IRC[15:08:06] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[15:08:52] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[15:11:25] *** Garfield32 has left #haiku[15:14:36] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[15:18:36] *** markos_ has quit IRC[15:19:41] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:19:47] *** kPb_in_ has joined #haiku[15:23:26] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[15:28:03] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[15:28:28] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[15:28:51] <DaneScott> BGA: Howdy![15:29:20] *** Kernel86 has 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Hey, do you remember how to set up FTP on Haiku? I uncommented the ftp line in "services" but am not sure I have it quite working yet.[15:32:43] <DaneScott> (had it working in the past but can't recall how)[15:33:59] <BGA> DaneScott: Hello. What's up?[15:34:25] <DaneScott> Hi Bruno. Mainly wanted to say hello. It's been FOREVER! How've you been?[15:34:40] <DaneScott> Still working for the big G? :-)[15:36:53] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:37:04] *** kPb_in__ has joined #haiku[15:38:03] *** kPb_in__ is now known as kPb_in[15:38:40] *** david3 has joined #haiku[15:40:35] *** kPb_in_ has quit IRC[15:42:19] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[15:42:46] <BGA> DaneScott: Yep.[15:42:55] <BGA> I am fine, how about you? :)[15:46:18] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[15:57:29] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[15:57:47] *** kPb_in_ has joined #haiku[16:00:57] *** kPb_in has quit IRC[16:02:31] *** kPb_in_ has quit IRC[16:05:59] *** wildur has joined #haiku[16:07:18] *** kitallis has quit IRC[16:23:40] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[16:32:04] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[16:32:56] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[16:33:02] <mmu_screen> plop[16:35:04] *** kitallis has quit IRC[16:35:49] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[16:35:54] <DaneScott> BGA I'm doing great. Enjoying watching Haiku's progress, and seeing how nicely WebPositive is coming along.[16:36:24] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[16:38:45] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[16:46:10] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[16:49:54] *** raichoo has quit IRC[16:51:50] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:02:16] *** The123king has quit IRC[17:08:00] *** wildur has quit IRC[17:12:12] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:13:02] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:13:16] *** e-jones has quit IRC[17:14:06] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:14:33] <mmu_screen> DaneScott: plop[17:15:57] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:17:11] *** kitallis has quit IRC[17:18:27] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[17:22:46] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[17:23:03] <DaneScott> mmu_screen: plop again[17:23:06] <DaneScott> you still there?[17:24:28] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[17:24:34] <mmadia42> how much fiber do you guys eat? :P[17:24:47] <Kokito> good day pals[17:27:54] <DaneScott> howdy Kokito[17:28:34] <DaneScott> mmadia42: Now there's an interesting question.[17:29:16] <DaneScott> mmu_screen: Hey, do you remember how to set up FTP on Haiku? I uncommented the ftp line in "services" but am not sure I have it quite working yet.[17:29:51] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:30:08] <mmadia42> DaneScott : http://haiku.pastebin.com/JnkRzf9A[17:33:12] <DaneScott> mmadia42: Thank you! Will try that.[17:34:07] <DaneScott> bbl[17:34:12] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[17:36:24] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[17:38:49] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:40:43] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[17:41:01] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:41:39] <Kokito> hi DaneScott. nice move (wrt to the driver)[17:42:28] <DaneScott> Kokito: Thanks! Submitted it to Stippi for the Haiku-os news page, but apparently it didn't make the cut. :-)[17:43:15] <Kokito> DaneScott, I hear stippi is sick, so that may be the reason[17:43:35] <DaneScott> ah, that's the deal then[17:44:21] <Kokito> plus, I don't know if stippi would be the right person to get a news posted on the website. I am just guessing though[17:44:34] <DaneScott> Kokito: Does haikuware's news headlines come from other sites, or does it have its own news page that I'm just not finding?[17:45:21] <DaneScott> Kokito: I noticed Stippi had posted a story on WebPositive, so I figured he could probably post it, but I'll keep looking around in case I need to be supplying news to somebody else.[17:45:40] <Kokito> DaneScott, I know nothing about haikuware[17:45:49] <DaneScott> Me too neither. :-)[17:46:08] <Kokito> and I doubt anyone here does, unless Karl is around :)[17:46:31] <Kokito> btw DaneScott, technically, it is possible for anyone to submit a news post to the website[17:46:52] *** fly-away has quit IRC[17:47:14] <Kokito> it goes to a moderation queue, and from there I don't know what happens... :)[17:50:24] <helf> hi DaneScott :)[17:51:16] *** _Qeos_ has joined #haiku[17:55:11] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[18:00:43] <DaneScott> Kokito: ok roger that[18:00:56] <DaneScott> Hi helf[18:01:06] <DaneScott> Apologies, I'm here and gone a lot today![18:02:07] <helf> :)[18:02:11] <helf> Hows the tunetracker business?[18:03:15] <DaneScott> helf: Good! Nice and steady[18:03:26] <DaneScott> Looking forward to moving to Haiku when it's ready for action.[18:04:32] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[18:12:08] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[18:18:08] *** wml has joined #haiku[18:18:20] *** _Qeos_ has quit IRC[18:18:47] *** _Qeos_ has joined #haiku[18:19:27] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[18:21:08] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:33:13] *** wml has quit IRC[18:34:33] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[18:36:38] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[18:37:43] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[18:37:54] <Teknomancer> hi haikuers![18:38:00] <NightlyUser> hi[18:38:59] *** MasterStarman has quit IRC[18:39:34] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[18:39:37] <NightlyUser> haiku is awesome![18:39:54] <Teknomancer> hmm[18:40:04] <Kokito> hi Teknomancer[18:40:11] <Teknomancer> i really ought to install it on real hardware[18:40:13] <Teknomancer> hey Kokito[18:41:03] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[18:41:12] <NightlyUser> i'm on r36004[18:41:12] <Teknomancer> hi DaneScott[18:41:14] *** Cian has joined #haiku[18:41:17] <Kokito> yes you should Teknomancer. using Haiku in a VM is like driving a ferrari in a 25mph zone[18:41:20] <DaneScott> Hey there Teknomancer ![18:41:33] <NightlyUser> works like a charm on my thinkpad[18:41:35] <Teknomancer> Kokito hehe, well i just want to cmpile and fix Beezer for Haiku[18:41:37] <Teknomancer> the code is out there[18:41:46] <The123king> I've been running Haiku on real hardware since thre alpha :D[18:41:47] <Teknomancer> but working from a VM without guest additions is difficult[18:41:57] <Teknomancer> well all i have is a macbook pro[18:42:02] <The123king> It's running almost flawlessly on my EeePC[18:42:02] <Teknomancer> and I kinda can't afford to blow it[18:42:09] <Teknomancer> already has XP and OS X[18:42:10] <Teknomancer> on it[18:42:14] <Teknomancer> dont feel like messing it[18:42:21] *** mmadia42 is now known as mmadia[18:42:33] <NightlyUser> i run it off a usb stick[18:42:37] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:42:41] <The123king> That too[18:42:43] <DaneScott> mmadia: Does this mean you're no longer 42?[18:42:48] <NightlyUser> that won't mess up your harddrive[18:42:53] <Teknomancer> i'm not sure if Mac's EFI allows booting off a USB stick[18:42:56] <mmadia> i'm 30 :P[18:42:57] *** _Qeos_ has quit IRC[18:43:13] <Teknomancer> DaneScott , long time no see, how're you doing?[18:43:26] <DaneScott> Teknomancer: Not bad for a guy 24 years your senior. :-)[18:43:32] <mmadia> 42 is the answer to the ultimate question.[18:43:44] <Teknomancer> DaneScott hmm how do you know my age?[18:43:45] <Teknomancer> :P[18:43:47] <DaneScott> Oh, the meaning of the earth, the world, and everything?[18:44:15] <DaneScott> I mean 24 years mmadia's senior. Maybe I'm not doing so well afterall :-)[18:44:26] <Teknomancer> DaneScott ah[18:44:42] <mmadia> almost, " of Life, the Universe, and Everything."[18:45:03] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[18:45:43] <DaneScott> mmadia: ah yes[18:45:54] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:46:56] <DaneScott> mmadia: ask the TuneTracker bot "Max" the meaning of life: http://demo.vhost.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=8c1d6395ae34f586[18:47:33] <mmadia> do i need to wait millions of years for an answer? :)[18:47:42] <DaneScott> hehe[18:47:44] <DaneScott> nope![18:48:49] <DaneScott> Teknomancer: What keeps you occupied these days?[18:49:20] <Teknomancer> DaneScott: VirtualBox[18:49:26] <Teknomancer> same as before[18:49:33] <DaneScott> URL?[18:49:38] <Teknomancer> well since, zeta :P[18:49:42] <Teknomancer> DaneScott : www.virtualbox.org[18:50:13] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:51:13] <DaneScott> Teknomancer: Do you work directly for Sun (Oracle) on this?[18:51:45] <Teknomancer> DaneScott: yeah[18:52:42] <DaneScott> Teknomancer: I was just reading an article on Oracle having changed access to Solaris, making the full version trialware. Looks like they would like to keep things profitable. :-)[18:52:55] <Teknomancer> no idea about that :)[18:53:47] <DaneScott> Ah, it really must be new news![18:53:59] <CIA-45> adek336 * r682 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/gnash/gnash-0.bep: gnash: XP_HAIKU macro under HAIKU[18:54:27] *** helf has quit IRC[18:54:34] <DaneScott> Teknomancer: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/solaris-10-no-longer-free-as-in-beer-now-a-90-day-trial.ars[18:55:16] <Teknomancer> DaneScott thx, will check[18:55:19] *** helf has joined #haiku[18:55:47] <DaneScott> Every time I see "helf" here I think of the "elf yourself" web site. :-)[18:55:48] <Teknomancer> hey helf[18:56:05] <Teknomancer> i think of ELF binary format[18:56:12] <Teknomancer> or "handle to elf" file[18:56:25] <Teknomancer> hELF->section :P[18:56:37] <DaneScott> So Teknomancer Is VirtualBox kind of like VMWare?[18:56:55] <Cian> its a reference to a comic I *think*, but I can't remember which one, helf himself should be able to confirm/deny[18:57:01] <Teknomancer> DaneScott : depends on which VMWare product you mean[18:57:08] <Teknomancer> DaneScott: but it's free for personal use[18:57:24] <Teknomancer> DaneScott and you can try it for Win, Lin, OS X or Solaris, BSD[18:57:39] <Teknomancer> we even have an OS/2 port if you're willing to try :P[18:57:53] <DaneScott> What I mean is, is it a virtual environment you can run an operating system inside of?[18:57:57] <Cian> yes[18:58:15] <DaneScott> k[18:59:03] <DaneScott> Teknomancer: Which version are you working on (for which OS)?[18:59:19] <DaneScott> Don't mind me, I'm just in a chatty mood today.[19:01:02] <Xeon4D> He probably is working for the Solaris "port" of VirtualBox. :P[19:01:09] <Cian> why, nay, HOW is my scanner's drivers bigger to download than BeOS5 was, by 400%...[19:01:09] <Xeon4D> If I read the past conversation correctly that is.[19:01:54] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:02:35] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: I'm terribly underinformed on all things virtual. :-)[19:02:59] <Xeon4D> Ask away. :)[19:03:10] <Xeon4D> Cian: it's called bloat.[19:03:20] <Xeon4D> I bet it's a HP[19:03:39] <Cian> of course[19:03:46] <Xeon4D> ^_^[19:03:48] <Cian> HP's business level scanners have 6MB drivers[19:04:07] <Xeon4D> and so do the Home ones. Thing is they come with a lot of extra apps.[19:04:19] <Xeon4D> but you *can* install just the drivers.[19:04:23] <Cian> I meant they let you download the 6MB one[19:04:25] *** margiolas has quit IRC[19:04:32] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: Thanks. One thing that strikes me funny or ironic, only because I don't understand it all, is that this virtualization software must be elaborately ported to all these different operating systems, so that the operating systems can run other operating systems.[19:04:32] <Cian> I know, but you need to download the 230MB[19:04:40] <Cian> actually thats nearly 500% more than BeOS5[19:04:46] <Xeon4D> Cian: true.[19:05:02] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[19:05:04] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: it doesn't *HAVE* to be ported.[19:05:11] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[19:05:23] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: A Virtualization app, is an app like any other. To run, it needs a specific operating system.[19:05:29] <Cian> *unticks nearly everything*[19:05:47] <Xeon4D> But there are virtualization solutions that do not need an underlying OS to run, p.ex. VMWare ESX[19:05:54] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: The alternative, actually running the OS natively, just strikes me as so much easier, faster, cleaner. But again, I don't understand all the ins and outs of this.[19:06:03] <H_MrSun> man this is going to be a big one[19:06:05] <H_MrSun> sigh :P[19:06:10] *** MasterStarman has joined #haiku[19:06:18] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: imagine I develop an app that runs on multiple operating systems[19:06:39] <Xeon4D> instead of having to install 3 OS on the same machine (and reboot each time I wanna use a different one)[19:06:55] <DaneScott> H_MrSun: :-)[19:06:55] <Xeon4D> I install (p.ex.) Windows and then Linux and Haiku on 2 separate VM's.[19:07:04] <Xeon4D> I can use all three operating systems at a time to debug it.[19:07:30] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: Ok, primarily for specialty situations then. Got it.[19:07:42] <H_MrSun> big freakin rework of alot of stuff in the D layer of habid :)[19:07:48] <Teknomancer> DaneScott got my PM?[19:07:49] <Xeon4D> I have a client, that has an iMac (Intel-based)[19:08:06] <Xeon4D> but he likes to play some poker games that are only available for Windows.[19:08:10] * DaneScott runs Parallels on his Mac so he can have simultaneous access to XP, but it's rather slow and tedious to get in and out of.[19:08:21] <Xeon4D> He has a VM with windows just for the Poker Apps.[19:08:29] *** wml has joined #haiku[19:08:47] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: funny, that client of mine has the same setup... but he's always running both at the same time.[19:09:01] <Xeon4D> There's a setting on the view part of Parallels called Unity or similar[19:09:12] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: That's almost the better thing to do. Once it's running, it's pretty good, but starting it up takes quite a while.[19:09:14] <Xeon4D> Where he launches Windows apps directly from the OS X desktop.[19:09:25] <Xeon4D> Well he has Paralells to start up at boot.[19:09:34] <DaneScott> oic[19:09:37] <Xeon4D> so while it takes a min or two to start, then it's quite jiffy. :)[19:09:46] <DaneScott> Right...that's my experience too.[19:10:17] <DaneScott> I try to keep my memory and resources and zippy as I can when running Mac, so only go into Parallels when I have to do a Windows thing.[19:10:27] <Xeon4D> Even Windows 7 now supports a free VM with Windows XP for the 0.1% incompatible apps.[19:10:53] <Xeon4D> True, so do I. But he's not in the same "type" of user I am or most of the people here are.[19:11:30] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:11:36][19:11:50] <DaneScott> It really IS nice to be able to have that option, though, without having to fire up another computer.[19:12:04] <Xeon4D> indeed.[19:12:17] <Xeon4D> I mostly use it to test Haiku and to fiddle with other OS (new and old) :)[19:12:31] <tqh> for instance if a vm runs beos5 fine, you can run tune tracker on any hardware...[19:12:49] <Xeon4D> One of the other advantages (?) is that the emulated hardware is preety much standard so most OS support them already.[19:14:00] <DaneScott> I suppose virtualization is especially popular with programmers, so it's big under Linux, Solaris, etc.[19:14:01] <Xeon4D> So if I have a SB Audigy 8 (which doesn't quite exist but you get my point) which is not supported directly by Haiku, it works on Windows 7 and then the emulated ESS1378 (also known as SB PCI64/128) works under Haiku.[19:14:08] *** Kokito has quit IRC[19:14:16] <Xeon4D> It's more popular on the servers market.[19:14:34] <Xeon4D> Take for example haiku-os.org server.[19:14:43] <Xeon4D> It's one server running multiple VM's.[19:14:46] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[19:14:59] <Xeon4D> One for the website, another for SVN, and some others for other obscure stuff.[19:15:11] <DaneScott> interesting[19:15:20] <DaneScott> what's the underlying OS?[19:15:36] <DaneScott> UNIX?[19:15:47] <Xeon4D> if the website and svn were running on the same machine, an update or similar would mean a restart and loss of all services. With virtualization, you only need to reboot the affected machine.[19:16:00] <Xeon4D> I believe BSD or a kind of Linux.[19:16:34] <Xeon4D> UNIX per se is rarely used nowadays (I think, and it depends on the defenition of UNIX).[19:17:21] <The123king> I run all sorts of POSes in vm's. I have Haiku, OS2, 2 Win95 VMs (one with BeOS PE), Rhapsody, Syllable, Windows 3.1, Windows XP, and ZevenOS (Ubuntu Linux flavour)[19:17:29] <The123king> OSes*[19:17:34] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:17:35] <Xeon4D> heh...[19:17:42] <Xeon4D> The123king: you have to try NextStep.[19:17:43] <The123king> and a few ReactOS VM's[19:17:49] <Xeon4D> It's a b*tch to setup[19:17:54] <The123king> :/[19:18:11] <Xeon4D> I've also had most of those (apart from Syllable and ZevenOS)[19:18:37] <Xeon4D> My OS dir is quite big actually :)[19:18:57] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:19:13] <Xeon4D> By OS dir I mean the folder with all the installation media inside for different OS'es.[19:19:15] <The123king> Oooh, i have Windows 2000 too[19:19:22] <Xeon4D> It's currently totalling 96.8GB[19:19:39] <The123king> OLh, i have an ISO folder full of all sorts of disk images[19:20:20] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[19:20:36] <Xeon4D> http://www.pastebin.org/128728[19:20:39] <Xeon4D> here's mine ^_^[19:20:41] <The123king> I in fact have a copy of ClassiOS[19:21:14] <The123king> Which i think was going to be a win9x clone[19:22:18] <Xeon4D> from Trumpet Systems? :P[19:22:27] <The123king> yeh[19:22:32] *** Engleek has quit IRC[19:22:38] <Xeon4D> it's still available here: http://www.trumpet.com.au/index.php/downloads.html[19:23:17] <The123king> I'm actually looking for PetrOS, which was it's predecessor, which was indeed at 9x clone[19:23:19] <Xeon4D> OSes are my 3rd favourite computer related topic ^_^[19:23:42] <Cian> after?[19:23:54] * DaneScott would do much more playing around with this if he had more drive space on his macbook[19:25:04] <mmu_screen> plop[19:25:30] <mmu_screen> Research and teaching needs,[19:25:30] <mmu_screen> Clean design and simple means,[19:25:31] <mmu_screen> Haiku fulfills.[19:25:35] *** DaneScott has quit IRC[19:25:35] <Xeon4D> Cian: Hardware and Emulation :)[19:25:37] <mmu_screen> sounds good ?[19:26:08] *** DaneScott has joined #haiku[19:26:41] <The123king> I also have a copy of Singularity[19:27:10] *** wml has quit IRC[19:29:32] <Cian> I'd see being in to hardware and emulation as being relative opposites[19:29:36] <Cian> real hardware and unreal hardware ;)[19:30:21] * DaneScott wonders how completely someone has been able to use BeOS in virtual environment[19:30:36] <Teknomancer> DaneScott: haiku works[19:30:50] <Cian> BeOS doesn't run well in any virtual environment I've ever tried[19:30:57] <Cian> Haiku is a different story[19:30:58] <DaneScott> Maybe you can actually get it to run on more hardware than you would in ... oh[19:31:01] <Teknomancer> but in general if it uses a very high freq. timer[19:31:05] <Teknomancer> it's not virtualization friendly[19:31:10] <Teknomancer> at least not yet[19:31:20] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:31:21] <DraX> haiku is actually pretty broken in recent virtualbox[19:31:22] <Teknomancer> yep BeOS uses 1khz timer[19:31:35] <Teknomancer> DraX worked fine last i tried, which revision?[19:31:38] <Cian> DaneScott I seriously doubt you'd be able to run TT in a VM, even if BeOS itself ran grand[19:31:49] <DraX> Teknomancer: all revisions of haiku i've tried (going back to alpha 1)[19:31:50] <DaneScott> Cian: due to hardware, I suspect[19:31:53] <DraX> Teknomancer: try and compile something[19:32:09] <DraX> half the commands in a run of a configure script segfault[19:32:18] <DraX> and it fails to boot, sometimes[19:32:21] <DaneScott> Reason I asked, I've actually been asked about that very thing.[19:32:22] <Teknomancer> DraX are you trying with VT-x/Amd-V?[19:32:27] <DraX> Teknomancer: both with and without[19:32:36] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:32:41] <Teknomancer> DraX will try it tomorrow here[19:32:42] <Cian> DaneScott not just that. I would never, ever trust a VM for something timing critical like audio work[19:32:48] <mmu_screen> Teknomancer: BeOS is tickless[19:32:50] <DraX> Teknomancer: what version of vbox do you have?[19:32:53] <Cian> even ignoring the specialist HW you need to communicate with[19:32:55] <Teknomancer> DraX do you have any sample code that I can test?[19:33:10] <Teknomancer> don't want to pull the full haiku sources from a Haiku VM for trying configure[19:33:13] <DraX> Teknomancer: just check some source out and run configure[19:33:16] <mmu_screen> now if your VM is stupid enough to use periodic timer to emulate that..[19:33:22] <DraX> i tested with emacs[19:33:26] <DraX> but you need some patches for emacs configure to run[19:35:55] <DraX> it just doesn't boot more than half the time with recent vbox eithe[19:35:56] <DraX> r[19:36:08] <DraX> gets to the last icon and stops[19:36:41] *** PasNox has quit IRC[19:37:04] <Teknomancer> DraX we don't try Haiku as a main OS if it boots, opening a ticket would be best way to trying to help us fix it[19:37:57] <DraX> i assume you mean a virtualbox ticket?[19:38:03] <Teknomancer> DraX yep[19:38:11] * DaneScott is trying to determine whether the ASUS P5Q motherboard audio should work under Haiku. Thought it was supposed to, but so far no go.[19:38:12] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[19:38:18] <DraX> actually there is a bug about the same issue with openbsd[19:38:29] <DaneScott> ALC1200 chipset (AC97?)[19:38:52] <DraX> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/639[19:38:54] <DaneScott> Is there any initial jiggling you have to do to Haiku after you install it, to get it to handle AC97?[19:39:00] <DraX> same issue, except that fkipping vt-x doesn't fix it[19:39:53] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:40:35] <Teknomancer> DraX okay thx, will check that[19:40:45] *** PasNox has quit IRC[19:40:52] <Anarchos> DaneScott i had to configure irq in bios[19:40:58] <Teknomancer> mmu_screen : i don't remember if the timer was the only/main source of problems with virtualizing BeOS[19:41:01] <Anarchos> i am looking for info about png icons[19:41:21] <Teknomancer> it could have easily been BeOS using incorrect selectors or some such (as it was the case with very early Haiku releases iirc)[19:42:07] <Anarchos> i am loooking for cod browsing for quantum_timer in order to understand preemptive scheduling... hard to find ![19:42:55] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:43:57] <DaneScott> Anarchos: What specifically did you have to do, do you remember?[19:44:32] <DaneScott> mmu_screen: I've got Haiku cranking on a real computer here, and have installed the dual serial card, so if you need me to do a test once you have a Haiku version built, let me know.[19:44:41] <Anarchos> DaneScott assign a free irq to built-in audio[19:44:58] <DaneScott> Anarchos: ah, ok...[19:45:04] <Anarchos> DaneScott it is a IHC8021 chipset[19:45:27] <Anarchos> DaneScott did you find a line like "unable to assign irq (0xff) in /var/syslog ?[19:46:50] <DaneScott> I haven't looked, but I will.[19:47:03] <DaneScott> Anarchos: I'm at another computer right now, but I'll take note of all this.[19:47:14] <DaneScott> Anarchos: Are you also using a P5Q?[19:47:37] <Anarchos> P5Q ??[19:47:43] <Teknomancer> cu[19:47:45] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[19:47:46] <DaneScott> ASUS P5Q motherboard[19:47:46] <Xeon4D> ALC1200 is not AC97[19:47:54] <Xeon4D> is HDA compliant, not AC97[19:47:59] <Anarchos> DaneScott no sorry[19:48:06] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: Ahhhh[19:48:16] <helf> hey Xeon4D[19:48:17] <DaneScott> Theoretically we have some HDA capability too, right?[19:48:21] <Xeon4D> hi helf.[19:48:29] <DaneScott> Or did that ever become useable?[19:48:34] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: That's a Hi-Def Audio Codec u got there.[19:48:52] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: Driver available?[19:48:59] <Xeon4D> and Haiku supports some HDA chips, but that one is fairly recent.[19:49:03] <helf> Xeon4D, ever sell that machine? :)[19:49:10] <Xeon4D> the mini server ? yeah.[19:49:21] <Xeon4D> money went straight to rent tho.[19:49:24] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: Would it require getting a driver, or would the HDA driver already be in Haiku?[19:49:25] <Xeon4D> being unemployed sucks.[19:49:35] <H_MrSun> gaah BMessage PrintToStream crashes if an Int8 is with in the mix ... strange :/[19:49:38] <Xeon4D> it would require that a driver be compiled or ported from Linux.[19:49:41] <helf> Xeon4D, ah, yeah :([19:50:11] <DaneScott> mmu_screen: Do you recall if an HDA driver was ever made available for Haiku?[19:50:17] <Xeon4D> yup[19:50:21] <Xeon4D> Haiku supports HDA.[19:50:34] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: Natively?[19:50:43] <Xeon4D> via OSS if I'm not mistaken[19:50:48] <DaneScott> ahhh[19:50:52] <helf> DaneScott, are you still selling prebuilt machines with tunetracker?[19:50:55] <Xeon4D> but an HDA driver by itself is no good. It also needs to support the codec itself.[19:50:59] <DaneScott> Ok, so I'd need to get OSS installed first.[19:51:12] <Xeon4D> OSS comes as a part of Haiku methinks.[19:51:18] <DaneScott> helf yes[19:51:23] <Sloar> nice[19:51:26] <helf> DaneScott, ah, cool. whats the homepage?[19:51:44] <DaneScott> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com[19:51:53] <Sloar> http://manuals.opensound.com/sources/drivers.html ?[19:52:08] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: for example, the ALC882 (7.1 HD Codec also from Realtek) codec in this laptop is kinda supported by Haiku[19:52:39] <H_MrSun> http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=11827 in HaikuRev: 35993 crashes ... ?[19:52:39] <Xeon4D> I get 2 channel audio out at least. haven't tried other input/outputs.[19:52:44] <H_MrSun> can anyone confirm ?[19:52:51] <H_MrSun> or if its my system that is fuxored up[19:53:18] <CIA-45> bonefish * r36006 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/preferences/locale/ (bg.catkeys it.catkeys): Removed apparently broken catkeys files.[19:53:52] <CIA-45> bonefish * r36007 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/BeOSRules: Enabled automatic catkeys globbing.[19:53:53] <mmu_screen> there is a native HDA driver[19:53:59] <mmu_screen> though I don't know which chips it handles[19:54:11] <helf> DaneScott, what cpus are you using now for your machines? just curious. its really interesting to still see beos in production use :)[19:54:13] <Sloar> i didnt know haiku supported oss but i use oss in opensolaris[19:54:18] <DaneScott> Xeon4D: Since I do have HDA audio on the MB, and a current version of Haiku, what should I conclude if I don't see audio hardware listed in Media Prefs? That I need to install a driver, that the codec isn't supported, that I don't have OSS installed, or that I'm just plain out of luck? :-)[19:54:38] <Xeon4D> In that case (ALC1200) the codec is not supported[19:54:42] <Xeon4D> I'm 99% sure of that.[19:55:17] <Cian> that its not supported natively and you may not have OSS installed[19:55:39] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: which Haiku version u running?[19:55:47] <DaneScott> 3981 something or other[19:55:49] <Xeon4D> nightlies?[19:55:49] <DaneScott> looking[19:55:55] <DaneScott> it's a nightly, yes[19:55:57] <CIA-45> mmadia * r36008 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: Add PDFlib's documentation & sample programs as per licensing requirements.[19:56:42] <Xeon4D> aren't nightlies compiled with OSS support ?[19:56:48] <Xeon4D> mmadia: ?[19:56:55] <DaneScott> 35981[19:57:01] <mmadia> .. Xeon4D?[19:57:16] <Xeon4D> Do you know if the nightly build profile includes OSS?[19:57:32] <Cian> no, its not[19:57:34] <Xeon4D> cause tbh I haven't fiddled with Haiku for quite some time now.[19:57:42] <Cian> I don't think the PCI reservation works quite right yet[19:58:10] <Xeon4D> strange, I thought the lowlvl PCI stuff was complete.[19:58:32] <mmadia> correct. also the download pages on haiku-files.org mention a link to the nightly-* build profile[19:59:09] <Xeon4D> so... OSS works or not (if included) ?[20:00:45] <mmadia> you'll need to archive & remove the native drivers first.[20:00:56] <helf> bbl[20:01:17] <DaneScott> mmadia: So emuxki, for example, would need to be removed before using OSS, correct?[20:01:59] <Xeon4D> seems like it[20:02:13] <mmadia> i'm not 100% DaneScott.[20:02:44] <DaneScott> mmadia: Who's the point man to pester about this stuff? :-)[20:02:57] <mmadia> mmu_screen :)[20:03:11] <DaneScott> oh, good...I like to pester mmu_screen :-)[20:03:20] <mmadia> well,,, as for getting OSS to not conflict with the native drivers.[20:03:22] <DaneScott> Just ask him, he'll tell you.[20:04:20] <mmadia> though to test, you could[20:04:27] * mmadia pastebins instead[20:05:57] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:06:11] <DaneScott> brb[20:08:05] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[20:09:12] <mmadia> DaneScott : this will archive & remove your native sound drivers : http://haiku.pastebin.com/WYfybbGK[20:09:35] <Xeon4D> omfg... you coded a shell script :P[20:09:39] <mmadia> after that, install OSS... restarting media_server may be required -- no idea.[20:09:50] <DaneScott> mmadia: very nice, thanks![20:10:03] <Xeon4D> mmadia is now a geek in my book.[20:13:30] <DaneScott> High praise :-)[20:13:47] <Xeon4D> meh, my coding skills are so good, that I was trying to make a *undo* script to that of mmadia, and was unable to :)[20:14:21] <DaneScott> hehe[20:14:40] * DaneScott wishes he could kick this d*#& headache today[20:16:28] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:17:08] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:17:31] <CIA-45> bonefish * r36009 /haiku/trunk/src/ (29 files in 29 dirs): Removed no longer needed DoCatalogs parameters.[20:19:58] <Xeon4D> mmadia: would this work? :) http://haiku.pastebin.com/SKiNK7rP[20:21:19] <mmadia> it'll be better to use ../../../bin/${driver}[20:21:35] <Xeon4D> variables and I don't get along.[20:22:05] <Xeon4D> but you're welcome to fix it... i learn faster that way :D[20:22:17] <mmadia> well, don't use a variable[20:22:50] <Xeon4D> argh missed a "[20:23:19] <Xeon4D> I didn't. :) as long as that would work, i'm happy.[20:23:42] <Xeon4D> I even had to lookup the syntax for ln (*shame*)[20:25:07] *** aldeck has quit IRC[20:26:20] <Xeon4D> mmadia: oh, I re-read what you said and I think I've fixed it. :P[20:27:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:29:36] <Xeon4D> brbm[20:29:38] <mmadia> here : http://haiku.pastebin.com/pgQuujfJ[20:29:48] <mmadia> DaneScott too ---^[20:30:12] <Xeon4D> amazing :P[20:30:22] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:30:31] <Xeon4D> that's an awesome example script :)[20:30:38] <Xeon4D> *thats[20:31:18] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:31:35] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:32:08] <DaneScott> Nice[20:32:33] * DaneScott bows out for awhile...splitting headache.[20:32:37] <Xeon4D> DaneScott: indeed.[20:32:37] <DaneScott> tt y'all later[20:32:37] <mmadia> had some small typos in the echo statements. http://haiku.pastebin.com/knjAnyTj[20:32:38] *** DaneScott has left #haiku[20:32:43] *** vooshy has quit IRC[20:33:03] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[20:33:22] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:33:28] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:34:15] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[20:34:41] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:38:13] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[20:42:43] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:43:11] *** wml has joined #haiku[20:43:15] *** dunix has joined #haiku[20:44:39] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[20:45:00] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:45:41] *** wml has quit IRC[20:46:16] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[20:49:14] *** dunix has quit IRC[20:49:41] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[20:49:53] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[20:50:20] *** Vooshy has joined #haiku[20:50:27] *** J-Ho has quit IRC[20:51:40] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:51:43] *** dunix has joined #haiku[20:54:12] <OmniMancer> mmadia: is there any way to print the return code of a program in bash?[20:54:57] <DraX> echo $?[20:55:13] <DraX> $? is the numerical return code[20:55:33] <OmniMancer> thanks[20:55:43] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[20:55:46] <OmniMancer> DraX: llvm has compiled and so has clang[20:55:59] <DraX> \o/[20:56:05] <DraX> has clang compiled itself?[20:56:11] <mmadia> i like doing returncode=$?, then evaluating $returncode[20:56:14] <OmniMancer> can't[20:56:36] <OmniMancer> haven't informed clang of where system headers is[20:56:39] <OmniMancer> are*[20:57:01] <OmniMancer> so the only example I could test was return 1+2;[20:57:04] <DraX> clang clang \o/[20:57:51] *** madechidna has joined #haiku[21:01:22] *** kjalarr has quit IRC[21:03:02] <OmniMancer> going to see about building with the not cmake build system and running the testsuite[21:07:42] *** kjalarr has joined #haiku[21:08:43] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:09:36] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:12:31] *** axeld has joined #haiku[21:12:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:16:56] <madechidna> oh cool it's axeld[21:16:57] <madechidna> hi :)[21:17:16] <OmniMancer> well llvm still seems to work[21:19:21] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:19:44] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[21:20:39] <leszek> hi[21:20:45] <OmniMancer> hi[21:33:16] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[21:36:05] *** david3 has quit IRC[21:46:32] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[21:50:09] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:51:12] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:51:32] <CIA-45> zooey * r36010 /haiku/branches/developer/zooey/posix-locale/src/system/ (8 files in 2 dirs):[21:51:32] <CIA-45> first steps towards posix locale support:[21:51:32] <CIA-45> * basic implementation for on-demand loading of a locale backend, whenever[21:51:32] <CIA-45> a locale different from POSIX/C is requested[21:51:32] <CIA-45> * c++-ified localeconv.c and setlocale.c and added delegation to locale[21:51:32] <CIA-45> backend[21:51:32] <CIA-45> * adjusted kernel_lib_posix to stay limited to the POSIX locale[21:52:11] *** mmadia has quit IRC[21:53:44] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[21:57:09] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:57:59] <Anarchos> rc does not recognize png_icon targets[21:58:23] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[22:00:07] *** margiolas has quit IRC[22:00:13] <Anarchos> how to extract the char* array from an image ?[22:00:17] *** margiolas_ has joined #haiku[22:02:50] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[22:04:24] *** margiolas_ has quit IRC[22:05:35] *** margiolas_ has joined #haiku[22:07:39] <Disreali> OmniMancer: congrats on getting llvm to build.[22:08:18] <OmniMancer> Disreali: whatever hack it was this time I had already done..[22:08:31] <mmadia> Anarchos : http://www.freelists.org/list/haiku-3rdparty-dev would be a good place to ask too.[22:09:42] <DraX> > anyone have an unlocked, non-broadcasting wifi network and working wifi[22:09:42] <DraX> in haiku?[22:11:17] *** margiolas_ has quit IRC[22:11:49] *** margiolas_ has joined #haiku[22:12:57] <Anarchos> mmadia i remeber there was an easy way in beos but i don't remember[22:20:21] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[22:20:28] *** oZ] has quit IRC[22:24:07] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[22:25:16] <OmniMancer> I have one I need it to work[22:25:51] <OmniMancer> DraX: I have a non broadcasting open wireless network that I wish to use from haiku[22:26:24] <DraX> OmniMancer: try setwep <device path> <ssid>[22:26:42] <DraX> http://haiku.pastebin.com/2BPNicZ0[22:26:43] <DraX> will build it[22:27:39] <leszek> n8[22:27:41] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:27:57] *** e-jones has joined #haiku[22:29:35] <OmniMancer> drax: I will try lateri have to get to university now[22:30:42] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:33:44] *** luroh has quit IRC[22:36:40] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[22:36:47] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:36:56] *** AlexM has joined #haiku[22:38:23] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[22:40:53] *** brime has joined #haiku[22:41:17] *** The123king has left #haiku[22:42:23] *** wildur has joined #haiku[22:45:20] *** BGA has left #haiku[22:49:11] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[22:51:17] *** e-jones has quit IRC[22:52:06] *** dunix has quit IRC[22:56:15] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:00:33] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[23:01:27] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:03:29] *** tqh has joined #haiku[23:04:10] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[23:04:34] *** david3 has joined #haiku[23:10:03] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:10:08] *** axeld has quit IRC[23:12:56] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[23:15:18] <OmniMancer> DraX: have you tried vmkit?[23:20:21] <mmu_screen> yeah! http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/unicode-nearing-50-of-web.html[23:25:26] *** david3 has quit IRC[23:26:48] *** Skipp2 has joined #haiku[23:27:57] *** Kroki has quit IRC[23:37:00] *** Disreali has quit IRC[23:38:55] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[23:40:38] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:42:47] *** HaikUbuntu has joined #haiku[23:54:22] *** prOSy has quit IRC[23:57:41] <DraX> OmniMancer: no[23:58:14] <OmniMancer> :([23:59:09] <OmniMancer> also it seems to me that the makefile build system introduces some problems[23:59:50] <OmniMancer> how do I get ssh to run on a haiku nightly?