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[00:08:52] <kirilla> Kokito: I just posted my ideas on the HTA workflow on the Haiku ml
[00:09:53] <l_n> i have to wonder when config.guess will have haiku added to it upstream by the autoconf devs..
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[00:10:28] <kirilla> they don't have it yet?
[00:10:49] <CyberKitsune> "TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation"
[00:10:51] <CyberKitsune> =/
[00:11:43] <CyberKitsune> Oh wait
[00:11:51] <CyberKitsune> I just needed to verify my email
[00:11:57] <kirilla> heh
[00:12:02] <kirilla> :)
[00:12:38] <kirilla> it's a bit cumbersome, but it's there to fight spam
[00:13:10] <kirilla> and to verify your email of course
[00:14:43] <kirilla> l_n: I see mention of Haiku in here: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=autoconf.git;a=blob_plain;f=build-aux/config.guess;hb=HEAD
[00:14:46] <Zevs> Hi! Can haiku install into an USBkey from the LiveCD? without touching the harddrives and boot directly form the usbkey? i tried R1 and then I needed the livecd as an 'boot CD'
[00:15:01] * JonathanThompson loves wrong numbers...
[00:15:05] <kirilla> l_n: individual projects often don't update their config.guess though
[00:15:18] <JonathanThompson> Question: what's more fun than answering a call via voice that's clearly a wrong number?
[00:15:32] <JonathanThompson> Answer: doing it via text messages!
[00:15:47] <kirilla> Zevs: you should be able to do this.
[00:16:08] <JonathanThompson> Why? Because with voice, chances are relatively low they won't figure it out in the next 10-30 seconds, but with text, you can keep playing with their minds.
[00:16:19] <kirilla> Zevs: You could try a recent nightly CD image.
[00:16:42] <Zevs> kirilla: thanks, i will do that :-)
[00:16:53] <kirilla> Zevs: what you want to do is create BFS partition directly at the start of the USB memory
[00:17:20] <kirilla> Zevs: so that the BFS partition takes up the entire stick -- without any partitioning
[00:17:21] <Zevs> the installer should take care of that, right?
[00:17:41] <kirilla> Zevs: no, you have to use DriveSetup to reformat the stick
[00:17:48] <Zevs> ok
[00:18:36] <kirilla> Zevs: you have to select the topmost entry(?) of the USB stick, in DriveSetup's list, and then choose to "initialize" as BFS
[00:18:53] <Zevs> so, with an BFS formated usb stick, the haiku installer should install into the usb partition, and not write grub or bootman on my MBR?
[00:19:08] <kirilla> Zevs: be sure to -not- select a partition, regardless if there is just one, but the entire stick
[00:19:20] <Zevs> ok, thanks
[00:19:31] <kirilla> it doesn't need grub or bootman
[00:19:39] <kirilla> and they wouldn't be meaningful
[00:19:59] <kirilla> there's bootcode at the start of the partition which the Installer adds
[00:20:13] <CyberKitsune> ffff Webpositive said the upload failed, but it didn't, now I attached 3 of the same files to my ticket!
[00:20:24] <CyberKitsune> and can't find were to edit attachments
[00:20:27] <kirilla> which in a normal, partitioned HD installation simply gets chainloaded, but in this case is the first step
[00:20:34] <Zevs> kirilla: interesting, is that new to haiku or did beos have that too?
[00:20:45] <kirilla> Zevs: BeOS had that too
[00:21:17] <kirilla> Zevs: in the days of BeOS, no hardware was bootable off USB sticks though, IIRC
[00:21:51] <kirilla> but bootman and everything else is pretty much a reimplementation of what BeOS had
[00:22:02] <Zevs> sure, but i would have thought that the boot partition needed some boot manager of some sort?
[00:22:30] <kirilla> bootman used to be fine, back in the days :)
[00:22:37] <Zevs> if i install haiku to a usbstick, then point the bios to boot from that stick, it will actually boot?
[00:22:52] <kirilla> depends on your hardware/bios
[00:23:11] <kirilla> if it fails, try the anyboot images, from www.haiku-files.org
[00:23:12] <Zevs> yes, i can boot form usb
[00:23:55] <Zevs> where are the nighlies?
[00:24:17] <kirilla> the anyboot images are some kind of hybrid with a partitioning, which some BIOS erroneously expect, and also work as ISO.. :) weird but it appears to work
[00:24:23] <kirilla> haiku-files.org
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[00:24:40] <Zevs> i did find a large haiku iso with lots of apps on it. i think it was a weekly based distro?
[00:24:43] <kirilla> "Nightly images"
[00:24:56] <Zevs> i'll take a look :-)
[00:25:00] <kirilla> perhaps it was the Alpha1?
[00:25:09] <AlienSoldier> Zevs http://www.haiku-files.org/
[00:25:16] <Zevs> thanks
[00:25:24] <kirilla> I don't know if there are any distros
[00:25:31] <kirilla> could be
[00:26:43] <kirilla> CyberKitsune: I think you can't delete attachments without having an admin role, or some such
[00:26:58] <Zevs> it was some guy releasing them, with lots of software included in the image
[00:27:28] <kirilla> perhaps that TiltOS thing
[00:27:42] <Zevs> i found it through google, but it is about a year ago
[00:27:52] <AlienSoldier> there was senryu
[00:28:01] <AlienSoldier> on haikuware
[00:28:16] <Zevs> senryu looks right :D
[00:28:28] <Zevs> thats it
[00:28:36] <l_n> kirilla: a lot of stuff i'm d/l'ing still has beos everywhere, but no haiku.. also, the libsdl in haikuports are slightly broken
[00:29:02] <l_n> 1.2.13 config.guess is messed up.. can't remember 1.2.14
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[00:29:30] <Zevs> when can we expect to see release candidate 2?
[00:30:39] <kirilla> l_n: sorry to hear that. I'm not currently using a lot of BeOS software, and not really porting either.. just using my email, irc, browser and working on Haiku itself :]
[00:30:47] <AlienSoldier> no idea, but i guess it will be more clear after begeiste
[00:30:53] <AlienSoldier> *begeister
[00:31:10] <kirilla> Zevs: we have a developer conference in April, in Duesseldorf
[00:31:13] <kirilla> German
[00:31:15] <kirilla> Germany
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[00:31:56] <kirilla> where I'm sure we will come up with a roadmap for Alpha2
[00:32:36] <kirilla> sadly I'm not going myself this time
[00:32:54] <stpere> I wish I could..
[00:33:10] <kirilla> Canada is a bit off
[00:33:17] <stpere> yeah
[00:33:19] <kirilla> or Germany
[00:33:27] <stpere> it's all relative :)
[00:33:31] <kirilla> heh
[00:33:35] <Zevs> with wifi, haiku surly has come a long way! i loved BeOS back in the day :D
[00:34:11] <Zevs> its all about threads for haiku :-)
[00:34:37] <AlienSoldier> i would like an adapted http://media.strategywiki.org/images/e/e8/Street_Fighter_Alpha_2_Titlescreen.png in the installer windows :)
[00:34:38] <Zevs> how about 2d/3d graphics? are you going for gallium?
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[00:35:21] <kirilla> I look forward to Haiku:ing with an espresso downtown, enjoying YouTube and Facebook in its full glory :}
[00:35:40] <kirilla> liberation!
[00:36:13] <kirilla> lol AlienSoldier
[00:36:28] <Zevs> does haiku have flash? or html5
[00:36:58] <kirilla> Zevs: there has been some work on Gallium. I'm crossing my fingers that what has been promised will be completed.
[00:37:15] <AlienSoldier> not really yet, but html5 in planed and gnash is kinda ported
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[00:41:50] <kirilla> Zevs: when you have Haiku installed and running, there's a script called "installoptionalpackage" which takes -l (for list) and -a (for add), which lets you download and install some common packages
[00:42:39] <kirilla> Zevs: you would run that script from Terminal.. it's not how we want Haiku software installation to work in the future, but it's nice to have for now
[00:42:42] <l_n> gnash hates me.
[00:43:18] <Zevs> kirilla: thanks. i'll try that. 8 more minutes to download :-)
[00:43:28] <CyberKitsune> Does LaunchBox have a replacant variant?
[00:43:30] <kirilla> I found it interesting to hear that gnash developer pronounce it geh-nash
[00:43:43] <kirilla> or g'nash
[00:43:55] <l_n> much like the gnu project itself.
[00:44:19] <kirilla> I thought it was more like 'nu
[00:44:44] <Zevs> if we're lucky, flash will die a fast death once html5 are more accepted :D
[00:44:45] <DraX> guh-nu and guh-nome
[00:44:45] <kirilla> CyberKitsune: I don't think so
[00:44:50] <l_n> nope.. i can't remember where i saw how it's pronounced, but the g is pronounced.
[00:44:53] <DraX> Zevs: unlikely
[00:45:00] <l_n> flash is evil.
[00:45:14] <DraX> html5 video codec wars is evil
[00:46:03] <Zevs> closed sources are evil if its a universal standard.
[00:46:42] <Zevs> but what else are the GPU for other then flash and html5 rendering :D
[00:46:43] <DraX> haiku won't be able to legally support youtube
[00:46:47] <DraX> in an html5 world
[00:47:12] <DraX> which is almost just as bad as the current flash situation
[00:47:16] <Cian> Haiku already has h264 codecs, irrespective of "legal" or not, though
[00:47:30] <DraX> which is why it's almost just as bad
[00:50:14] <drano_> google is almost certainly going to publish a new free codec soon
[00:50:40] <DraX> which they will magically convince apple to support, with ponies?
[00:51:02] <drano_> if it's a really nice codec, i am sure the will anyway
[00:51:03] <DraX> apple is most certainly the reason that h264 will prevail
[00:51:33] <drano_> true. i guess the iphone isn't going to have a hardware decoder for whatever google comes out with, heh
[00:51:41] <DraX> exactly
[00:53:11] <Cian> h264 has already won, realistically
[00:53:19] <Cian> my last two, possibly three mobiles have all had h264 decoders
[00:53:33] <Cian> every OS *can* do it, albeit not nessacerily legally
[00:54:38] <DraX> which is why i think mozilla activly making it hard for them to support h264 is their death knell
[00:54:59] <DraX> cause everyone will just compile their own webkit/chrome with h264 support in ffmpeg
[00:55:02] <DraX> and magically the web will work
[00:55:23] <vooshy> DraX: mozilla are using bits of webkit now
[00:55:32] <drano_> since when?
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[00:56:03] <vooshy> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/mozilla-borrows-from-webkit-to-build-fast-new-js-engine.ars
[00:56:36] <DraX> haha, tracemonkey never had luster
[00:56:41] <DraX> it was dull on the day that firefox included it
[00:56:52] <drano> oh pfft that doesn't count
[00:57:08] * DraX agrees with drano
[00:57:31] <DraX> firefox is the new IE
[00:57:43] <DraX> we've been thinking about getting tshirts made at work that say that :)
[00:57:53] <drano> firefox was always slow as hell. i never got why people thought otherwise
[00:58:16] <stpere> it was fast compared to mozilla
[00:58:40] <Cian> and IE6 riddled with dodgy BHOs, which is what most people compared it to
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[00:59:48] <CyberKitsune> How do you dock LaunchBox to a screen corner to a window edge as seen here (http://www.haikuware.com/images/stories/news/Oct09/qt4/helios.png) ?
[01:00:17] <vooshy> i havent truly liked a browser since netscape 3, but WebPositive is doing nicely at the moment
[01:00:35] <DraX> so far i really enjoy chrome
[01:00:44] <DraX> aside from the bugginess
[01:00:53] <drano> yeah same
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[01:03:58] <AlienSoldier> chrome still have bug ? (i don't use it often)
[01:05:55] <Cian> if theres software out there without bugs, I want to know what it is...
[01:06:12] <drano> chrome is pretty buggy for me on os x
[01:06:28] <AlienSoldier> Cian i never got Xcopy crah on me on amiga :)
[01:06:34] <AlienSoldier> *crash
[01:07:09] <Cian> but how well does it handle problems like the destination drive being removed;)
[01:07:27] <kirilla> CyberKitsune: 1) context menu to hide window borders, 2) just drag it near the screen edge, and there's a subtle pull
[01:07:38] <AlienSoldier> good question, i never tried to hot swap an amiga drive
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[01:08:11] <kirilla> probably just told you to reinsert
[01:08:30] <kirilla> it had some kind of message to that effect
[01:08:34] <AlienSoldier> with the disk yes, but the whole drive i don't know
[01:08:41] <kirilla> maybe not :)
[01:09:09] <AlienSoldier> perhaps it would say "what are you doing Dave"
[01:09:19] <Cian> never used miggys, at all
[01:09:22] <Cian> weren't popular here
[01:09:44] <AlienSoldier> here neither but i did not care :) i got one anyway
[01:10:02] <Cian> Apple got a decent market % for a then broke country, due to being made here
[01:10:02] <mmadia> kirilla : that's a really good explanation of installoptionalpackage
[01:10:44] <kirilla> thanks mmadia :)
[01:10:57] <AlienSoldier> it's well know apple product are made in hell
[01:11:52] <Cian> Holyhill, hell; they're rather similar
[01:11:55] <JonathanThompson> Hell isn't big enough to contain the factories and the employees, AlienSoldier: I've driven through Hell, and it's small!
[01:12:09] <stpere> JonathanThompson: I knew it!
[01:12:12] <Cian> http://blather.net/zeitgeist/archives/2010/03/have_ye_ever_heard_tell_of_the.html
[01:12:37] <JonathanThompson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan
[01:12:56] <stpere> ahah
[01:13:08] <stpere> reminds me about Kitchener being called Berlin before
[01:13:25] <stpere> I suppose they were concerned about US bombers being a bit dumb :)
[01:13:31] <AlienSoldier> we don't have ghost here, not enough job for them
[01:13:44] <JonathanThompson> Since I was visiting my sister's place in Ann Arbor that weekend, it was a relatively short trip to Hell and back :p
[01:14:40] <stpere> lol
[01:14:58] <stpere> is there an swimming pool in Hell?
[01:15:01] <kirilla> ^_^
[01:15:07] <stpere> plenty of puns
[01:15:08] <stpere> :)
[01:15:11] <JonathanThompson> Could be :p
[01:15:31] <JonathanThompson> There's a foot race that's 10 miles long where people run through Hell every year.
[01:15:38] <kirilla> I hope your sister doesn't read too much into that :))
[01:15:49] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompsonthat is a nice movie to watch in the car when going there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_to_Hell_(film)
[01:16:17] <kirilla> JonathanThompson: your visit to her being a trip to Hell and back :)))
[01:16:28] <JonathanThompson> She was the starting point :p
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[01:16:40] <kirilla> heh
[01:16:53] <JonathanThompson> (I have another sister where that applies, though!)
[01:17:28] <JonathanThompson> She's close to 2000 miles away from the sister closer to Hell, Michigan, though.
[01:17:56] <JonathanThompson> And, truth be told: I'm glad she's not close enough to me to be in the same timezone.
[01:18:07] <mmadia> CyberKitsune : for #5660, do you want me to remove 2 of the 3 duplicate attachments?
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[01:19:45] <kirilla> JonathanThompson: I'm sorry to hear that :I
[01:20:08] <JonathanThompson> Most countries in Europe are so small in comparison...
[01:20:33] <JonathanThompson> 100 miles in most of Europe is a long distance: some people in the US have that as a daily commute distance one-way via car.
[01:20:34] <kirilla> yeah.. like.. luxemburg.. or.. andorra :P
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[01:21:46] <JonathanThompson> It'd be a weird situation where I considered that sort of commute daily remotely worthwhile.
[01:22:13] <Cian> there's enough people that do similar commutes here now due to the MIU network
[01:22:27] <JonathanThompson> MIU?
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[01:22:31] <Cian> someone in my office commutes Loughrea to Dublin daily, lemme check what that is
[01:22:35] <kirilla> JonathanThompson: the US has (used to have?) a lot cheaper gas
[01:22:44] <Cian> major inter-urban; basically motorways that were built without the traffic demand
[01:22:47] <JonathanThompson> It's still cheaper than a lot of places.
[01:22:52] <Cian> on the basis that if they were built, the demand would appear
[01:22:58] <Cian> means theres nice, half empty motorways across the country
[01:23:11] <JonathanThompson> That's easier to deal with than driving such distances in a car.
[01:23:33] <JonathanThompson> Especially since if you're making anything remotely like that sort of commute, chances are there's nasty traffic involved.
[01:23:49] <JonathanThompson> Definitely if you made that kind of commute in the Seattle area by car, you'd go insane.
[01:23:59] <Cian> that loughrea one is just on 100 miles door to door
[01:24:09] <JonathanThompson> Personally, I've got far better things to do with my time.
[01:24:26] <jmayfield> i like a good drive
[01:24:43] <JonathanThompson> Seattle area rush hour traffic != good drive.
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[01:25:02] <JonathanThompson> And, of course, "Rush hour" is several hours long in the morning and afternoon.
[01:25:09] <CyberKitsune> mmadia: yes please, WebPositive screwed up on me and uploaded too much.
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[01:25:16] <Cian> Dublin to Galway on the M4/M6 = good drive, can average 150+km/h if you're careful
[01:25:57] <JonathanThompson> Can't do over about 100 km/h in ideal conditions in the Seattle area.
[01:26:08] <Cian> the limits 120, but...
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[01:26:38] <JonathanThompson> The limit's 60 mph, but rarely can you even get that fast, and they rather strictly enforce it.
[01:27:12] <JonathanThompson> If even half the bridges/raised highways were out of commission in the Seattle area, you'd be fastest if you walked.
[01:27:13] <jmayfield> i prefer a good empty twisting road over driving outright fast
[01:27:32] <JonathanThompson> jmayfield: you've been in the Seattle area, right?
[01:27:37] <jmayfield> yes
[01:27:55] <JonathanThompson> Could you imagine what would happen if all the bridges were out of commission at the same time?
[01:28:02] <jmayfield> heh
[01:28:10] <JonathanThompson> Or even a good percentage of them?
[01:28:17] <jmayfield> sf bay area is in a similar situation
[01:28:30] <Cian> how likely is that to happen without them suddenly finding they'd built them all out of pyrite or similar?
[01:28:51] <JonathanThompson> More likely than most sane people want to contemplate: Seattle is very seismically active.
[01:29:02] <jmayfield> sf bay area is in a similar situation
[01:29:04] <jmayfield> :-p
[01:29:24] <Cian> post earthquake I'd expect the city to be fairly unable to function normally *anyway*
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[01:30:05] <Cian> and we can always lend you SIACWillis to rebuild them afterwards ;) (appear to be the fastest road building firm in existance)
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[01:33:09] <jmayfield> i played a bit with some fancy aston martin vantage earlier today
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[01:33:56] <jmayfield> as in, chased it through medium-ish traffic on the freeway
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[01:34:38] <JonathanThompson> Cian: I'm guessing that firm has never had to deal with Washington state ecological impact studies and the related regulations :p
[01:34:49] <jmayfield> i'll admit, it makes a hell of a noise when it accelerates
[01:35:02] <Cian> JonathanThompson nor the Irish ones either, the roads authority doesn't get the builders on site till thats all done
[01:35:11] <Cian> but we do have the same problems here, google "kildare bypass"
[01:35:55] <JonathanThompson> Well, it wouldn't matter how fast they are, then: they'd first have to get it through all the hurdles, and knowing this area, ELF and people like them would put up enough of a fight most sane people would decide to resettle somewhere else first :D
[01:36:24] <kirilla> clear
[01:36:29] <kirilla> /
[01:36:40] * JonathanThompson notes kirilla commanding nothing well
[01:36:48] <kirilla> heh
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[01:39:22] <Brett_Carlock> sup people, noob question
[01:39:26] <Brett_Carlock> is the wireless stack underway for haiku?
[01:39:38] <Brett_Carlock> i'm not seeing anything in the front page in the svn stuff that would indicate yes to me
[01:39:50] <Brett_Carlock> i'm looking to replace Xubuntu on my netbook :\
[01:40:07] <Cian> its very much underway, it just doens't have WPA yet
[01:40:20] <Brett_Carlock> ahh, excellent
[01:40:23] <Cian> supports a very decent % of cards in existance also
[01:40:29] <l_n> Brett_Carlock: i use it day-to-day on my eee 1000
[01:40:33] <Brett_Carlock> is it included in the Alpha1 iso that is currently on the site?
[01:40:42] <Cian> don't think so
[01:40:46] <Cian> Alpha1 is about 6 months old
[01:40:46] <l_n> Brett_Carlock: http://www.haiku-files.org/raw/
[01:40:54] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/wireless_firmware
[01:40:56] <Brett_Carlock> my concern is my netbook is a Shenzen. VIA mobiliy platform (VX800 + VIA C7-M 1.6ghz)
[01:41:03] <l_n> get the gcc2hybrid nightly
[01:41:44] <Brett_Carlock> okay
[01:41:54] <Brett_Carlock> is the wireless drivers in-built or are they using linux drivers?
[01:42:11] <l_n> btw, had another random crash.. unfortunately, the screen was blanked and i had to blindly type 'reboot'.. couldn't see the debugger output.. and i don't think the writes to the syslog were finished.
[01:42:18] <Cian> they're built in but are using FreeBSD drivers as their core
[01:42:23] <Cian> compatibility layer
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[01:42:36] <Brett_Carlock> ah okay
[01:42:45] <Brett_Carlock> so I doubt that my VIA USB VT6656 driver exists there
[01:42:47] <Brett_Carlock> hmm
[01:42:55] <mmadia> l_n : `on_exit sync` ; `exit` may help in the future.
[01:43:02] <Brett_Carlock> the ethernet is a standard VIA RhineII
[01:43:03] <Cian> I don't think USB cars are supported at the moment
[01:43:06] <Cian> cards*
[01:43:07] <Brett_Carlock> pretty sure that will be supported
[01:43:09] <Cian> only PCI/miniPCI
[01:43:18] <Brett_Carlock> :\ damn. only MiniPCI thing is my SSD
[01:43:19] <l_n> mmadia: is that to force the writes pending when gdb takes over?
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[01:44:01] <Brett_Carlock> is there a way for me to like, send this info to someone. I can't program or hack or anything, but if someone tells me how/what to send i'll be glad t help
[01:44:08] <mmadia> l_n : in KDL, the `on_exit` will execute what ever command is specified upon leaving KDL.
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[01:44:42] <mmadia> though, depending on the crash, on_exit may not work.
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[01:45:55] <l_n> it may not be KDL.
[01:46:20] <mmadia> then that's either an app_server or maybe an input_server crash...
[01:46:29] <mmadia> you can still enter KDL
[01:48:00] <l_n> cmd-sysrq-d right?
[01:48:45] <l_n> okay.. it wasn't kdl the one time i was staring at it.. it took me to a fullscreen gdb instance rather than kdebug
[01:53:36] <mmadia> once your in a full screen gdb, i thing shift-sysrg is enough.
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[01:54:31] <mmadia> on a side note, would it be cheeky to chang the monthy subscribtions to multiples of  $5.75?   sort of like  "How many haikus do you want to give Haiku per month?"
[01:54:47] <stpere> lol
[01:54:49] <l_n> oh, the silliness.
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[01:55:53] <Brett_Carlock> lol, cheeky indeed
[02:02:41] <DraX> mmadia: it would be nice if you could set your own subscription price :P
[02:03:21] <mmadia> noted, DraX.   i've been looking at Google Checkout too over the past few days.
[02:04:19] <mmadia> pros: accepts CC Payments, similar fees to PayPal.   on the downside, its USD only & recurring donation functionality is still in beta.
[02:04:31] <Brett_Carlock> aight guys, thanks. I guess i'm going to try out the latest nightly ISO and see how the entbook handles it
[02:07:27] <kirilla> umm.. why multiples of $5.75?
[02:07:34] <DraX> 5-syllables
[02:07:42] <DraX> 7-syllables, 5-syllables
[02:08:01] <kirilla> hah, ok
[02:08:10] <mmadia> Help Haiku by giving a haiku!
[02:08:38] <kirilla> :P
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[02:10:24] <robl^laptop> anyone have build instructions for building haiku on haiku (instead of cross compiling)?
[02:10:47] <mmadia> www.haiku-os.org/guides
[02:11:38] <mmadia> the gcc-hybrids page will tell you how to configure & jam a gcc2 hybrid image.
[02:15:14] <robl^laptop> mmadia: thanks.  let me look a bit closer.  I browsed some of those before, but most seemed for cross compiling..
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[02:16:09] <mmadia> the process is similar, in Haiku, you just don't pass  "--build-cross-tools...." when running configure.
[02:16:14] <Brett_Carlock> any reason why i cant dd in Win7? I have the terminal open as administrator
[02:17:28] <Cian> does win7 *have* dd?
[02:18:11] <Brett_Carlock> no, i downloaded it. Using version 0.5
[02:18:26] <Brett_Carlock> it gives me error Writing file: 5 Access is denied
[02:18:30] <Brett_Carlock> 1+0 records in
[02:18:35] <Brett_Carlock> 0+0 records out
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[02:21:25] <Brett_Carlock> ugh
[02:21:29] <Brett_Carlock> maybe the volume is flagged dirty
[02:21:34] <Brett_Carlock> shouldn't be but whatevers
[02:21:58] <Brett_Carlock> tada
[02:22:02] <Brett_Carlock> dirty flag
[02:22:12] <Brett_Carlock> christ, i'm stupid. simple stuff first, right?
[02:25:56] <kirilla> wonder how that works in windows
[02:26:13] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35991 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage: Added HVIFTranslator to the default image.
[02:26:25] <kirilla> in a unix-like env I think you usually have to unmount
[02:27:09] <kirilla> prior to overwriting a partition or the disk
[02:27:18] <Brett_Carlock> yeah, I think OS/2 may have set the volume dirty because I shut it down with the drive plugged in
[02:27:32] <Brett_Carlock> chkdsk will reset the FS flag to clean if the volume passes the chkdsk
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[02:27:45] <Brett_Carlock> any sort of system crash/hang or anything will render the volume dirty
[02:27:54] <Brett_Carlock> which unfortunately i get too often on OS/2 :\
[02:28:20] <kirilla> is that a usb stick with fat fs?
[02:28:25] <Brett_Carlock> yar
[02:28:29] <Brett_Carlock> FAT16 with LFN
[02:28:56] <Brett_Carlock> its my garbage stick. just use it for bootable images. mostly trying different linux distros
[02:29:06] <kirilla> heh
[02:29:29] <Brett_Carlock> thats not why its the garbage stick. its the garbage stick because its peak write is about 6mbps
[02:29:44] <Brett_Carlock> oh well, good enough for free
[02:29:44] <kirilla> sorry :)
[02:29:50] <Brett_Carlock> right? shudder
[02:30:17] <kirilla> linux ain't bad.
[02:30:56] <kirilla> at least it works and got lots of apps :P
[02:32:00] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35992 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/bootman.rdef: Added HVIF icon to bootman, courtesy of Michele Frau aka zuMi.
[02:32:07] <kirilla> I just don't feel esp at home in Linux
[02:32:25] <Brett_Carlock> yeah, i'm not fond
[02:32:37] <Brett_Carlock> like, every app has a different look and feel
[02:32:42] <Brett_Carlock> the only XWM i like is XFCE
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[02:32:57] <Brett_Carlock> even then, theres GTK apps and KDE apps and GNOME apps and they all behave a bit different
[02:33:04] <Brett_Carlock> console is too necessary to have
[02:33:09] <Brett_Carlock> so much so that I have Tilda installed
[02:33:18] <Brett_Carlock> i like OS/2, it just needs some massive modernization
[02:33:42] <kirilla> I tried OS/2 way back then, but I never really liked it.
[02:33:57] <Brett_Carlock> yeah
[02:34:04] <Brett_Carlock> it takes a bit to get used to
[02:34:07] <Brett_Carlock> it was my first GUI OS
[02:34:12] <Brett_Carlock> had an IBM Aptiva
[02:34:18] <DraX> the secret to the look and feel problem is to do everything in emacs ;)
[02:34:24] <Brett_Carlock> now Im using eComstation if you want to get technical
[02:34:30] <DraX> aside from web browsing my os experience is highly consistent
[02:34:34] <Brett_Carlock> lol
[02:34:39] <Brett_Carlock> im assuming you use Lynx then?
[02:34:53] <DraX> aside from
[02:34:56] <DraX> i use chromium
[02:34:59] <Kokito> thanks for the reply kirilla. I gotta go now, so will try to reply tomorrow.
[02:35:01] <kirilla> my early GUI was the Amiga, and then I was exposed to a lot of Macs, alongside Win9x, before I got hooked on BeOS
[02:35:10] <Brett_Carlock> i loved Zeta
[02:35:17] <Brett_Carlock> tried it on a whim
[02:35:27] <kirilla> tomorrow Kokito :)
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[02:35:56] <Brett_Carlock> really want to see Haiku succeed
[02:36:01] <Brett_Carlock> then i want to see eComstation take the same path
[02:36:16] <Brett_Carlock> the OS/2 communtiy is largely old farts who hate everything
[02:36:31] <kirilla> It's come a long way, and on our own dedication and money, unlike OS/2 and the Amiga
[02:36:37] <Brett_Carlock> yeah
[02:37:01] <Brett_Carlock> try're trying
[02:37:02] <Brett_Carlock> there is OSFREE
[02:37:10] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35993 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/App_bootman: Added the icon as HVIF to the collection of icons.
[02:37:14] <Brett_Carlock> a ground-up OSS rebuild on the k4 microkernel
[02:37:26] <kirilla> haha, cool
[02:37:30] <Brett_Carlock> yeah
[02:37:32] <Brett_Carlock> not very far along
[02:37:41] <kirilla> isn't that the L4 though?
[02:37:46] <Brett_Carlock> yeah
[02:37:48] <Brett_Carlock> most likely
[02:38:01] <Brett_Carlock> yes, sorry
[02:38:04] <Brett_Carlock> mistake lol
[02:38:10] <DraX> l4 is opensource
[02:38:15] <kirilla> who knows, people writing new little kernels all over the place
[02:38:24] <DraX> oh, i read on as of
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[02:39:08] <Brett_Carlock> ahh
[02:39:15] <kirilla> I think there are a couple of L4 implementations with various licenses
[02:39:19] <Brett_Carlock> voyager sounded cool
[02:39:29] <Brett_Carlock> that was to have an OS/2 "personality" run atop different kernels
[02:39:40] <Brett_Carlock> they hinted at the ReactOS/NT kernel
[02:39:42] <Brett_Carlock> and linux kernel
[02:39:45] <Brett_Carlock> would have been interesting
[02:41:20] <kirilla> I think I'll have some downtime now :)
[02:41:32] <kirilla> later Brett_Carlock!
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[02:41:53] <Brett_Carlock> laters
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[02:43:16] <Brett_Carlock> well this is promising
[02:43:20] <Brett_Carlock> its booting :)
[02:43:27] <Brett_Carlock> first time for haiku on this netbook i think
[02:43:58] <Brett_Carlock> holy christ
[02:44:00] <Brett_Carlock> it works
[02:44:43] <Brett_Carlock> nooo, display not configured properly :(
[02:44:47] <Brett_Carlock> same issue in Linux
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[02:49:01] <Brett_Carlock> wired nic works
[02:50:02] <CyberKitsune> So with OSS at a random time all audio will start underunning/lagging and sound all choppy and crackley until you restart the Media server, this is because OSS sucks, right?
[02:50:55] <mmadia> CyberKitsune : you can try disabling serial debugging (which requires editing /boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel  and rebooting)
[02:52:32] <Brett_Carlock> will that speed things up in general too?
[02:56:14] <Brett_Carlock> um
[02:56:18] <Brett_Carlock> for writing the raw image
[02:56:23] <Brett_Carlock> if i dont use the --size flag
[02:56:32] <Brett_Carlock> can i keep the rest fo the flash drive's sapce?
[02:56:38] <Brett_Carlock> because right now its 450mb/1000mb
[02:56:48] <Brett_Carlock> and its full because the volume size is 450mb :(
[02:58:31] <CyberKitsune> I don't even have a com port on this laptop, lol
[02:59:00] <mmadia> not really.  you'd need to either :  1. dd to a partition on the drive & run make bootable, 2. use DriveSetup to create partitions & a BFS volume and then use Installer.
[02:59:56] <Brett_Carlock> crap
[03:00:00] <Brett_Carlock> was hopin there was an easy way
[03:03:01] <largo> Disreali: were you wondering about the trac css fix too? :P
[03:03:16] <Disreali> indeed
[03:04:05] <Brett_Carlock> thanks guys, peace
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[03:04:26] <largo> I don't want to presume anything... but it's 1 line of valid css. :P it kind of makes me wonder what the holdup is.
[03:04:31] <largo> maybe I'll submit it upstream myself.
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[03:15:06] <Disreali> largo: no idea, but I've not seen neilx about lately. he may just be busy, and it is a very low profile item
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[03:19:40] <Disreali> \o/
[03:20:07] <Disreali> finally figured out how to put a nightly on my usb stick
[03:22:38] <Disreali> rebooting
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[03:30:29] <Disreali2> HOLY.... haiku boots from the usb without going to kdl
[03:30:37] <Disreali2> I'm so excited
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[03:32:20] <helf|laptop> :)
[03:32:49] <Disreali2> it even sees all 4 cores
[03:33:04] * Disreali2 dances
[03:35:24] <Disreali2> please, I need the url for the web+ nightlies
[03:35:54] <mmadia> http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies/WebPositive-r358.zip
[03:36:27] <Disreali2> thanks mmadia
[03:36:36] <mmadia> you could also  installoptionalpackage -a Links
[03:37:20] <Disreali2> not much room on the anyboot image
[03:37:38] <Disreali2> is web+ an optional package now?
[03:38:10] <mmadia> not yet.
[03:38:58] <Disreali2> omg... I am so excited. I can install haiku on real hw!
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[03:41:36] <CyberKitsune> So, when does vision get a MediaPlayer plugin? =P
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[03:52:06] <Disreali2> what is the key used to enter the fail safe boot options. Spacebar no longer works
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[03:52:20] <mmadia> shift or F8 maybe?
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[03:54:30] <Disreali2> I held [ALT] and haiku booted to 640x480. is it possible the holding [ALT] forces it to boot in vesa mode?
[03:58:21] <largo> shift gives the boot options.
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[04:00:32] <CyberKitsune> Wait, so we dropped the spacebar now?
[04:00:35] <Disreali2> thanks
[04:00:36] <CyberKitsune> >.>
[04:01:03] <Disreali2> CyberKitsune, I feel the same. I really liked using the spacebar
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[04:02:12] <CyberKitsune> MediaPlayer + mov = Fail
[04:02:30] <Disreali2> later. going to test a couple laptops now
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[04:02:51] <mmadia> CyberKitsune : is that an easily downloadable file?
[04:03:12] <mmadia> because it'd be great to submit dev.haiku-os.org/newticket for that.
[04:03:56] <CyberKitsune> heh
[04:04:12] <CyberKitsune> Also, is it just me or is cia.vc's Haiku page blank?
[04:05:12] <mmadia> http://cia.vc/stats/project/OpenBeOS
[04:05:20] <CyberKitsune> Oh
[04:05:25] <CyberKitsune> I was on the wrong project
[04:05:31] <CyberKitsune> there are 2 Haiku ones listed
[04:06:03] <mmadia> .. yeah, i got sick of seeing OpenBeOS, so i changed Topic to point to dev.haiku-os.org/timeline?changeset=on
[04:06:42] <CyberKitsune> I want to kill OSS, it suddenly went back in to underbuffer mode >___>
[04:06:55] * CyberKitsune closes MediaPlayer and Restarts MediaServer
[04:11:05] <CyberKitsune> Why does gnash claim I don't have the dependicnies when I ran the install script three times?
[04:13:21] <CyberKitsune> Wait, it's downloading ffmpeg gcc4 when I have gcc2
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[04:18:27] <Disreali2> anyone else having issues with Backgrounds crashing on r35981 or a similar rev?
[04:19:58] <CyberKitsune> I;m on that rev
[04:20:23] <CyberKitsune> and only the deskbar crashes from time to time when I click on the button in the very bottom left corner
[04:21:27] <Disreali2> CyberKitsune, which button? whick app
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[04:23:03] <Disreali2> can haiku's DriveSetup create extended partitions?
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[04:36:38] <OmniMancer> Disreali2: I would not trust Haiku's DriveSetup for much except creating BeFS partitions or if the drive were empty :P
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[04:44:52] <Disreali2> OmniMancer, ok
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[04:52:15] <CyberKitsune> Ugh, I once lost a flashdrive to Haiku
[04:52:35] <CyberKitsune> got bumped into KDL while initalizing it as a BFS disk
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[05:07:13] <CyberKitsune> if somebody can play http://files.milestron.co.cc/~cyberkitsune/SF94.mov in MediaPlayer, let me know, if not, I'll open a ticket.
[05:08:24] <rohit123> While compiling programs which make use of libnetapi.so(network kit) do we need to provide some additional library parameter?Because I am getting some undefined references.
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[05:10:51] <largo> CyberKitsune: big file. downloading it now and I'll give it a test.
[05:11:21] <mmadia> rohit123  -lnetwork  perhaps?
[05:11:35] <rohit123> mmadia: I will try that.
[05:11:47] <mmadia> telling us the undefined refs would help too.
[05:12:13] <rohit123> okay
[05:13:29] <rohit123> mmadia: undefine reference to `BNetAddress::BNetAddress(char const *,unsigned short)'
[05:15:07] <mmadia> maybe -lnetapi  ?
[05:16:13] <rohit123> mmadia: Cannot find -lnetapi
[05:16:56] <OmniMancer> why not go look in the /boot/develop/lib folder?
[05:17:03] <OmniMancer> also are you using gcc4 or gcc2?
[05:17:25] <rohit123> gcc 2.95.3-haiku-090629
[05:17:26] <Disreali2> image ran out of room. later
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[05:17:41] <OmniMancer> are you using a hybrid rohit123?
[05:18:13] <OmniMancer> if so do a setgcc gcc4 now because that will make it use gcc4 for compiling
[05:18:21] <rohit123> OmniMancer: I don't know what is a hybrid..??
[05:18:31] <OmniMancer> which image did you install?
[05:18:37] <rohit123> OmniMancer: I am running haiku in Virtual Box
[05:18:45] <OmniMancer> which image!
[05:18:56] <rohit123> OmniMancer: I need to have a look
[05:19:57] <rohit123> OmniMancer: The Image is with the name: haiku-r1alpha1.vmdk
[05:20:34] <OmniMancer> firstly use a nightly at some point they have less bugs!!
[05:20:58] <OmniMancer> secondly then it's a gcc2hybrid type "setgcc gcc4" in the terminal
[05:21:20] <rohit123> OmniMancer: okay
[05:23:14] <rohit123> OmniMancer: Can you point me to some image which would have less bugs.
[05:25:08] <OmniMancer> a nightly but I don't know which ones have less bugs or more
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[05:30:23] <rohit123> OmniMancer: i have located the repository for nightly build. shall I go for gcc2hybrid or gcc4hybrid?
[05:31:11] <mmadia> hmm... i think the front page suggests which one to get.
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[05:32:22] <rohit123> mmadia: gcc2hybrid
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[05:42:30] <OmniMancer> mmadia: how long before gcc4hybrid is the recommended one?
[05:42:45] <mmadia> I'd wager R1+
[05:42:52] <largo> CyberKitsune: no audio or video here on your .mov
[05:42:59] <largo> CyberKitsune: the progress bar moves... but that's it.
[05:43:14] <DraX> by r1 it'll hopefully be a clanghybrid
[05:43:22] <OmniMancer> mmadia: if I manage to get clang building on haiku and then haiku building on clang will it be accepted?
[05:43:32] <mmadia> ...unless something fancy happens with the way the paths are changed.
[05:43:42] * mmadia shrugs
[05:43:47] <DraX> one of the gsoc proposals i saw for llvm this year was pluggable C++ abi support
[05:43:54] <DraX> which would be quite useful for haiku
[05:44:00] <OmniMancer> hmm?
[05:44:14] <OmniMancer> well I still want to make latest llvm compile on haiku
[05:44:19] <DraX> ie, clang could have gcc2 abi support
[05:44:29] <OmniMancer> really need to get this done before they have codefreezes :P
[05:44:34] <mmadia> the paths was re: 2hybrid vs 4hybrid.
[05:46:14] <OmniMancer> since then we will get a release that builds on haiku :P
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[05:49:53] <CyberKitsune> Okay so I have a question
[05:50:05] <CyberKitsune> What does gcc4hybrid have over gcc2hybrid?
[05:50:28] <CyberKitsune> Oh, lol
[05:51:00] <CyberKitsune> gcc4hybrid "over" gcc2hybrid = gcc4hybrid/gcc2hybrid which simplifies to gcc2
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[06:14:05] <mmadia> rohit123 : try -lbnetapi
[06:14:29] <mmadia> nm actually
[06:14:35] <rohit123> mmadia: okay I will try that
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[06:15:26] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Network-Kit-and-libnetapiso-question
[06:16:16] <rohit123> mmadia: yes, exactly the same problem that i am facing.
[06:20:11] <rohit123> mmadia: you are a life saver. This solves the problem..................:)
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[06:28:05] <AlienSoldier> i'm starting to think there will never be an alpha3
[06:28:23] <AlienSoldier> work quite well on my PC now
[06:30:09] <mmadia> there isn't much holding up alpha2.
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[06:30:18] <OmniMancer1> but which one are you meant to use mmadia?
[06:30:32] <mmadia> OmniMancer1 ...?
[06:30:33] <OmniMancer1> yay alpha2
[06:30:44] <OmniMancer1> the link lib for network kit
[06:31:02] <mmadia> idunno,  ask a coder :P
[06:31:13] <OmniMancer1> :P
[06:31:24] <OmniMancer1> I remember there was some thing about that :P
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[06:35:38] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/reviving-R1Alpha2-R1-Final-discussions,3
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[06:42:44] <l_n> mmadia: is the stuff tagged R1 in Trac the only things holding up R1, or do you think there are other 'undiscovered' issues to come?
[06:43:55] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/FutureHaikuFeatures  is most everything i can think of.
[06:44:06] <mmadia> in addition to filed tickets.
[06:44:51] <mmadia> the initial email in the thread summarizes it too.
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[06:57:51] <AlienSoldier> that one sound like fun :) "Finalize new driver architecture and rewrite all drivers"
[07:24:34] <JonathanThompson> AlienSoldier: shouldn't take long ;)
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[07:36:20] <AlienSoldier> Quattron Technology 4-Colour Filter adds yellow to the traditional RGB sub-pixel components, enabling the display of more than a trillion colours.
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[07:36:32] <AlienSoldier> i would like to hook my 16 color C64 on that :)
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[10:25:34] <OmniMancer> is anyone awake?
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[10:29:12] <PulkoMandy> :)
[10:30:35] <JonathanThompson> I'll have to text that poor sap later on today to ask if he had italian cheese bread and pizza with green cheese and ham on it...
[10:30:53] <JonathanThompson> Someone Sunday afternoon thought they were texting someone else that lived with them...
[10:31:23] <JonathanThompson> I have a conversation via text about an hour long where they kept working on that premise, though if they'd been thinking about my responses, they should have figured out they'd made a mistake.
[10:31:42] <JonathanThompson> They were wondering if (whomever they're wanting to talk to) was going to come home with pizza.
[10:33:05] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure that when the person in question got home, they had an... interesting conversation :p
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[11:49:35] <ragcsi> JonathanThompson: you are so mean :p
[11:49:40] <ragcsi> good job tho :p
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[17:21:48] <Lelldorin1> hi all
[17:26:10] <Lelldorin1> hello all, is there a application to change audiotags?
[17:26:16] <Lelldorin1> shell tool?
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[17:30:34] <vidvisitor> By the way works firewire on haiku and video capture with dvg
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[17:43:00] <mmadia> DraX ?
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[17:59:15] <kitallis> anyone successfully using git + github from haiku?
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[18:02:32] <mmadia> i know mmlr, phoudin, and some others had issues with git, but i'm not sure if that was due to the bad kernel/vm bug. (when the nightlies were stopped in Feb or so.)
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[18:04:35] <kitallis> well, according to some of the debugging output
[18:05:06] <kitallis> the ssh connections seem to be alright
[18:05:39] <kitallis> some kinda PTY allocation request error :S
[18:06:37] <kitallis> and some PEM private key reading failure
[18:06:52] <kitallis> meh, I'll just use hg instead, for now :/
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[18:07:26] <korli> kitallis: maybe check the bug tracker
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[18:08:29] <kitallis> k
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[18:33:50] <DraX> mmadia: pong
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[18:34:25] <Disreali> could someone post the url for a recent WebPositive download?
[18:34:38] <mmadia> http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies/WebPositive-r358.zip
[18:34:43] <Disreali> thanks
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[18:43:32] <CIA-45> korli * r35994 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia_gpgpu/driver.c: Patch from kallisti #5557: add additional device ID's to Nvidia GPGPU driver
[18:44:02] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35995 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
[18:44:02] <CIA-45> Fixed some licensing mistakes from over the weekend. Mistakenly grouped cortex,
[18:44:02] <CIA-45> xiph, and tcpdump with mkdepend's license.
[18:44:02] <CIA-45> * Re-added MkDepend as a license
[18:44:02] <CIA-45> * Removed BSD (Alternate 3-clause)
[18:44:02] <CIA-45> * Modified BSD licenses to match http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license
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[18:45:08] <Disreali> \o/
[18:45:43] <Disreali> haiku is now runs natively on my system!
[18:46:24] <Disreali> mmadia, do you still have the screencap of your haiku partition setup?
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[18:49:36] <mmadia> http://imagebin.org/90746
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[18:50:35] <mmadia> Disreali : basically, i separate it based on how often the data is read, written, or its importance.
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[18:51:09] <Kokito> good morning folks
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[19:00:01] <Disreali> mmadia, thanks again
[19:02:17] <mmadia> sure thing & congrats
[19:02:42] <Disreali> is bootman able to boot linux, or do i still need grub?
[19:03:20] <Disreali> I guess I could always install grub to the linux partition
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[19:11:24] <DraX> ingo wants to add setwep to haiku *grimace*
[19:13:29] <Disreali> wouldn't that be a 'good thing' ?
[19:15:00] <DraX> no, i'd rather it go into ifconfig
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[19:18:13] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35996 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[19:18:14] <CIA-45> * Added license files for GLU & GLUT
[19:18:14] <CIA-45> * Updated AboutSystem to reference new licenses
[19:18:14] <CIA-45> * information based on http://www.mesa3d.org/license.html
[19:18:45] <Disreali> oh.. yeah. having it part of ifconfig would be better
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[19:19:16] <Disreali> is this on the ml?
[19:20:19] <mmadia> yes, freelists.org/archive/haiku/03-2010
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[19:21:36] <Disreali> grr... web+ keeps crassing
[19:22:00] <Disreali> however, it is still better than the old Bezilla we have
[19:25:03] <luroh> for now, how about just adding a TODO, or a /newticket, suggesting to merge setwep with ifconfig?
[19:27:12] <Disreali> indeed
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[19:34:34] <Ingenu> .
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[19:37:35] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35997 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added licenses for expat, zlib. Updated AboutSystem for Mesa, expat, & zlib.
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[19:51:09] <Kokito> more revlinOS spam on the website... sigh...
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[19:51:41] <oZ]> revlinOS?
[19:52:14] <Disreali> later
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[19:53:55] <Kokito> oZ], it's a new linux based OS; the head of the project has been spamming the website forums in an attempt to scout developers
[19:55:00] <oZ]> yeah, just found one of the posts, and this vaporware 'Tidal' browser that seems to be running in Ubuntu.
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[20:06:47] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35998 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[20:06:47] <CIA-45> * Added license files for Bullet, Info-ZIP
[20:06:47] <CIA-45> * Updated AboutSytem for Bullet, Info-ZIP, bzip2, & OpenEXR
[20:06:47] <CIA-45> * VIM was removed in r35848, updated AboutSystem to reflect this
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[20:18:09] <CIA-45> axeld * r35999 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/tty/tty.cpp: * The usual cleanup behind mmu_man ;-)
[20:20:03] <Ingenu> lol
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[20:23:08] <Dane_> Can someone remind me how you swap the CTRL-ALT keys in Haiku?  Can't find it offhand.
[20:23:21] <DraX> it's in the keymap perflet i think
[20:23:26] <DraX> the one that has the visual keyboard
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[20:24:18] <Dane_> DraX thanks!
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[20:33:22] <Kokito> hmmm... why does DeskCalc display sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many decimal places? it's so annoying!
[20:33:30] <Dane_> hehe
[20:33:42] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: has a fix
[20:33:43] <Dane_> ko..oo.oo.oo.kito
[20:33:48] <Kokito> no kidding
[20:33:48] <DraX> but ingo doesn't like it
[20:33:52] <DraX> err
[20:33:53] <DraX> axel
[20:33:58] <DraX> ingo didn't say anything about it
[20:34:21] <Kokito> are you serious DraX?
[20:34:36] <Kokito> I mean, what does one want so many decimal places for?
[20:34:47] <DraX> yeah Skipp_OSX fixed the issue, but the approach he took axel didn't like
[20:35:07] <DraX> well it wasn't that axel wanted all the decimal places he just didn't like the way Skipp_OSX fixed it. there is a patch attached to a bug for it
[20:35:24] <Kokito> what issue did Skipp_OSX fix?
[20:35:28] <Kokito> or try to fix?
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[20:35:49] <CIA-45> mmadia * r36000 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[20:35:49] <CIA-45> * Added UnRAR, Intel (ACPICA), & LibPNG licenses
[20:35:49] <CIA-45> * Updated AboutSystem to utilize them
[20:35:49] <CIA-45> * Added a note, netcat allows us to choose the license
[20:35:56] <Kokito> anyway, come on, for a calculator like this, 2 decimal places is enough
[20:36:06] <DraX> the too many decimal places issue
[20:39:55] <Kokito> my question is more fundamental: does DeskCalc have to show more than two or three decimal places?
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[20:43:41] <PulkoMandy> the problem is in the way it's written
[20:44:05] <Dane_> Can anyone point to a quite recent Haiku build that's stable?  I want to move up from Alpha 1.
[20:44:10] <PulkoMandy> basically the number displayed is the one used for the next calculation, which can make the math drift quite a bit when you chain multiple operations
[20:44:22] <oZ]> ooh, that's not good.
[20:44:36] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX fixed it by just displaying less digits, so lowering the precision
[20:44:49] <PulkoMandy> a proper fix would avoid the problem first :)
[20:47:04] <Kokito> PulkoMandy, I don't see why any user would expect a 31 decimal places precision in DeskCalc...
[20:47:14] <AlienSoldier> Dane_last one i have installed is   r35981, i did not crash it so far (i am not running wifi)
[20:47:26] <Kokito> it's not a scientific calculator after all
[20:47:32] <Dane_> AlienSoldier thanks
[20:47:39] <PulkoMandy> yes, but it uses a scientific precision library to do the math
[20:47:58] <Cian> still helps if it doesn't give very dodgy results after a few running calculations, though
[20:48:14] <Cian> I had 6 decimal places on my phone calc earlier working out pension stuff
[20:49:57] <AlienSoldier> Dane_ i don't know about the latest version, but webpositive 357 work fine on that one also
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[20:50:27] <Kokito> PulkoMandy, the end user does not care the precision of the library; they want to get the expected results, and getting 31 decimal places is not
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[20:52:08] <AlienSoldier> that is why calculation should always be done in X/Y format until showed on screen and still be kept as X/Y in the background for further calculation
[20:52:25] <AlienSoldier> float are evil
[20:54:17] <PulkoMandy> Kokito, besides the drifting problem, I think Skipp_OSX's patch does it right : basically it fits as much digits as possible depending on the window size
[20:54:32] <PulkoMandy> but well, if you want it to be otherwise, "patches welcome"
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[20:56:09] <Kokito> PulkoMandy, what I am saying is that it does not make any sense to show the user so many decimal places in a simple calculator like DeskCalc. It´s just stupid.
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[20:57:44] <PulkoMandy> well then, how many should we have ? 2 ? 6 ? 10 ? an option for that ?
[20:57:50] <kirilla> Disreali: I think DriveSetup can create extended partitions
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[20:59:23] <kirilla> hi guys, btw :)
[20:59:35] <Kokito> PulkoMandy, any of those number would be more sane than 31 digits :)
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[20:59:56] <rahul_> where to look for haiku api documentation?
[21:00:04] <kirilla> I want Pi digits. ;}
[21:00:22] <AlienSoldier> Kokito perhaps having a rounding option, writing the last rounded number in red to indicate the number is not complete
[21:00:27] <kirilla> which is roughly 3.1415 something digits
[21:00:45] <AlienSoldier> i personally like having as much as number as possible
[21:00:57] <kirilla> can has fraction of digit, plz!
[21:01:33] <kirilla> AlienSoldier: good idea
[21:02:17] <AlienSoldier> perhaps a color for rounded high and anothe color for rounded low
[21:02:29] <kirilla> or maybe a symbol of some kind which could be flipped to reveal a longer set of decimals
[21:02:42] <AlienSoldier> BeConverter hava drop menu for decimal precision that work really well
[21:02:46] <AlienSoldier> *have
[21:02:55] <Kokito> what would those colors be useful for AlienSoldier?
[21:03:22] <mmadia> rahul_ : search for the 'bebook' on www.haiku-os.org, it'll be a good start.
[21:03:47] <rahul_> mmadia: okay I am a newbie on haiku. thx for the support
[21:04:01] <mmadia> just know that some sections are outdated, rahul_ .  so, using Haiku's source code is also a good guide.
[21:04:05] <AlienSoldier> Kokito because rounding rule are not universal
[21:04:22] <kirilla> I see separate colors for rounding up/down as less useful than generally displaying that rounding was done
[21:04:26] <Kokito> AlienSoldier, but what difference does it make, in practice?
[21:04:41] <AlienSoldier> Kokito go work with wood, you will know fast :P
[21:05:04] <Kokito> huh?
[21:05:38] <AlienSoldier> if you count mesure,  the way stuff is rounded is very important
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[21:05:39] <kirilla> when pieces fit badly
[21:06:09] <Kokito> and you need 31 digits for that?
[21:06:26] <AlienSoldier> no, but you need to know if something was rounded
[21:06:27] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier, what about colourblind people ?
[21:06:55] <OmniMancer> up arrow dash or minus arrow?
[21:06:56] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy screw them :) plus gene therapy make colorblind mouse see color now :)
[21:07:25] <AlienSoldier> yes, an arror would work better (more self explanatory)
[21:07:42] <OmniMancer> alternatively don't pick the colours that cause problems :P
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[21:07:54] <OmniMancer> but arrows would be better
[21:08:52] <AlienSoldier> Kokito i think your problem is with the clutter many digit do.  That is why i prefer XCalc, it can be expendend as a scientific calculator or just a simple one.  perhaps in simple mode less digit could be displayed
[21:09:48] * JonathanThompson wonders what an arror is
[21:10:34] <Kokito> AlienSoldier, I think the problem is that you expect too much from a simple calculator
[21:10:37] <CIA-45> mmadia * r36001 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[21:10:37] <CIA-45> * Added LibJPEG license file, updated AboutSystem
[21:10:37] <CIA-45> * Added a note for BRegion backend's license
[21:10:37] <CIA-45> * These are the last planned license related commits
[21:10:37] <CIA-45> * There's a few notes for ones that are uncertain
[21:10:39] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson you have enough information to reconstruct the corrct word :P
[21:10:55] * JonathanThompson adds an e
[21:11:01] <Kokito> DeskCalc should not be used for anything that requires that sort of precision
[21:11:01] <JonathanThompson> Arrore!
[21:11:32] <JonathanThompson> Oh, wait: the correct letter isn't the missing letter from corrct?
[21:11:33] <AlienSoldier> Kokito they are never siimple calculator, very dangerous error can come out of this, like mars probe getting lost :).
[21:11:53] * JonathanThompson gives AlienSoldier a hard time because he can ;)
[21:12:28] <AlienSoldier> that is why those simple calculator should have a warning, making it more complex than just having enough digit
[21:12:45] <luroh> yeah, just add a disclaimer
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[21:13:05] <luroh> "makes a best effort to calculate stuff, ymmv"
[21:13:25] <kirilla> DrunkCalc
[21:13:34] <AlienSoldier> not to mention that i find a calculator without use of variable quite pointless in the first place
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[21:13:57] <kirilla> or maybe PoorCalc? :))
[21:14:10] <luroh> hehe
[21:14:11] <AlienSoldier> yep, poorcalc would be brillant
[21:15:02] <kirilla> no offense intended to the fine people who've worked on it ':)
[21:15:28] <AlienSoldier> those kind of calc are just "obsolete" for me
[21:15:53] <AlienSoldier> would you still use lightwave 1.0 to do 3d today?
[21:15:59] <PulkoMandy> if the calculator is less precisse than my brain I see no point using it
[21:16:34] <Disreali> what is the CPUFrequency pref supposed to do?
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[21:16:52] <PulkoMandy> Disreali, it allows to set the cpu frequency
[21:16:53] <AlienSoldier> managing power i guess
[21:16:58] <PulkoMandy> but it needs apm or acpi support
[21:16:59] <Dane_> Anybody using an SB Live card under Haiku?
[21:17:18] <AlienSoldier> Dane_ i did with OSS, but i don't like the experience
[21:17:23] <JonathanThompson> PulkoMandy: a lot of people are lazy enough that they don't mind a suboptimal answer, if it means they don't need to think :p
[21:18:05] <Dane_> AlienSoldier I see there are EMUXKI drivers in there, but Haiku doesn't seem to recognize the SB Live.
[21:18:31] <AlienSoldier> Dane_ did you try OSS?
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[21:18:39] <Disreali> Dane_, which SB Live?
[21:18:59] <Dane_> Disreali Not Audigy.  It's either an SB Live or SB Live Value.  Both same chipset
[21:19:04] <PulkoMandy> JonathanThompson, yes... but I see no point in such a simple calc nowadays
[21:19:15] <PulkoMandy> I often use wnidows calc, but in scientific mode
[21:19:17] <Dane_> AlienSoldier No, but what about it was unsatisfactory when you trie dit?
[21:19:21] <Dane_> tried it
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[21:19:27] <MadEchidna> Hi guys
[21:19:33] <MadEchidna> JonathanThompson, I just got back from my job interview
[21:19:34] <PulkoMandy> for simpler things, it's easier to do it by hand or with a real calculator
[21:19:40] <JonathanThompson> Well,  a PoorCalc is sufficient for most people's purposes for quick computations.
[21:19:43] <MadEchidna> http://www.osnews.com/comments/23077
[21:19:48] <MadEchidna> yeah, good luck with that oracle >_>
[21:20:19] <AlienSoldier> Dane_ there was a delay before i got audio after booting (akward) and i lost sound forever after doing a media server restart
[21:20:46] <AlienSoldier> And i don't know about sound recording, did not tested that
[21:21:24] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson well, that mean 16 bit color should be enough also?
[21:21:30] <JonathanThompson> A real calculator requires that you have one laying around, PulkoMandy, and that's not assured of existing :D
[21:21:46] <MadEchidna> Ugh
[21:21:55] <MadEchidna> I don't get people who use regular calculators when they have a computer
[21:22:03] <MadEchidna> Your computer is a calculator <_<
[21:22:12] <JonathanThompson> AlienSoldier: for many people, going between 16-bit and higher is wasted because they can't perceive finer gradiations.
[21:22:21] <MadEchidna> my boss used to always double check his totals on excel sheets with a pocket calculator
[21:22:21] <oZ]> perl -e 'warn 36 * 8' :)
[21:22:23] <MadEchidna> drove me up the wall
[21:22:34] <MadEchidna> like DUDE EXCEL _is_ a calculator
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[21:22:44] <MadEchidna> if the totals are wrong on there you have bigger issues
[21:23:32] <Disreali> hehe
[21:23:39] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson  that would teach me about being a Nietzsche overman :P
[21:23:55] <MadEchidna> hey any of you guys smart at wordpress?
[21:23:59] <JonathanThompson> Indeed :P
[21:24:05] <MadEchidna> My blog is full of comment spam and my friends keep giving me crap about it
[21:24:16] <OmniMancer> the porting of maxima must commence
[21:24:17] <MadEchidna> thousands of links to child porn mostly >_>
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[21:24:44] <JonathanThompson> You mean you don't want that, MadEchidna ???? :D
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[21:25:10] <ChrisHanson> JonathanThompson, why don't you have a seat over there
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[21:25:21] <JonathanThompson> Over where?
[21:25:32] <MadEchidna> Haven't you ever seen To Catch a Predator?
[21:25:40] <JonathanThompson> No.
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[21:26:12] <MadEchidna> oh
[21:26:17] <OmniMancer> Goodbye
[21:26:20] <OmniMancer> goodbye
[21:26:25] <OmniMancer> are you still there
[21:26:28] <JonathanThompson> Buygood!
[21:26:34] <MadEchidna> well the premise is Dateline NBC lures child predators to fake houses posing as kids
[21:26:45] <MadEchidna> and then when the guy shows up, Chris Hanson appears and offers them a seat
[21:26:50] <MadEchidna> that's his catch phrase
[21:27:01] <MadEchidna> and then after a brief interview a dozen cops run in and nail the guy
[21:27:07] <JonathanThompson> It's been awhile since I've watched Dateline NBC.
[21:27:10] <MadEchidna> yeah
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[21:27:17] <MadEchidna> it's entertaining for all the wrong reasons :P
[21:27:34] <MadEchidna> It's supposed to be a sobering look at peodphila but it ends up just being entertaining as hell
[21:27:42] <MadEchidna> some of the guys he catches are just so pathetic
[21:27:48] <JonathanThompson> I believe that's one of those they'd find entertaining due to satisfaction.
[21:27:56] <MadEchidna> eh, not really
[21:28:05] <MadEchidna> I don't care much about the justice aspect, it's just a total freak show
[21:28:16] <MadEchidna> one time Chris caught this guy, and he didn't have any cops around
[21:28:17] <AlienSoldier> do they feature Pedobear in it?
[21:28:21] <MadEchidna> so the dude walks away with a warning right
[21:28:35] <MadEchidna> later that day, the SAME GUY with the SAME SCREEN NAME is looking for underage chicks on AOl
[21:28:46] <JonathanThompson> Huh.
[21:28:50] <MadEchidna> and Chris freaking finds the dude at McDonalds and he's like REALLY? REALLY???!!
[21:29:30] <MadEchidna> Yeah that's the main reason that the show is popular, not because people are glad to see people getting justice but because it's just amazing how wierd and stupid some people are
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[21:31:50] <saivert> those people can't help themselves
[21:31:55] <vooshy> MadEchidna: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-spamfree/
[21:31:57] <saivert> they are cast aside
[21:32:10] <saivert> they don't live in the same community as everybody else
[21:32:12] <MadEchidna> vooshy: o rly :3
[21:32:44] <MadEchidna> yeah the whole thing about age of consent is a difficult line to draw
[21:32:47] <saivert> also liked the Dateline show when he catched scammers
[21:32:57] <saivert> he went to Europe to meat up with Nigerians
[21:33:03] <MadEchidna> technically a mammal is an adult when they are able to reproduce right?
[21:33:08] <saivert> he pretended to have fallen for a scam
[21:33:17] <JonathanThompson> That's an interesting question, MadEchidna
[21:33:18] <MadEchidna> so technically some people read "adulthood" in their early teens or even earlier
[21:33:20] <JonathanThompson> Ke
[21:33:21] <saivert> and went to London where they agreed to meet up (both had traveled by air there)
[21:33:22] <JonathanThompson> ep in mind,
[21:33:24] <JonathanThompson> hu
[21:33:26] <JonathanThompson> ma
[21:33:31] <MadEchidna> JonathanThompson, fails at typing
[21:33:34] * JonathanThompson screams at Colloquy
[21:33:38] <MadEchidna> hah
[21:33:42] <MadEchidna> that's what you get for using OSX
[21:33:45] <JonathanThompson> I don't fail at typing: Colloquy fails!
[21:33:52] <JonathanThompson> Has nothing to do with it being OSX.
[21:33:54] <MadEchidna> needs more vision
[21:33:54] <saivert> so do you guys like a good scam?
[21:33:58] <Disreali> what is colloquy?
[21:34:01] <JonathanThompson> It does.
[21:34:04] <AlienSoldier> MadEchidna an adult nedd to be able to procreate AND take care of it's young
[21:34:14] <AlienSoldier> *need
[21:34:18] <Ingenu> IRC client
[21:34:21] <JonathanThompson> An IRC client with the weirdest bugs, Disreali
[21:34:27] <MadEchidna> AlienSoldier, the only reason human teens have a hard time with that is the complications of society
[21:34:32] <MadEchidna> in the animal world it wouldn't matter
[21:34:33] * Ingenu uses Mobile Colloquy
[21:34:34] <saivert> AlienSoldier: lol, the government does that
[21:34:41] <MadEchidna> also in the middle ages people got married at 13
[21:34:50] <JonathanThompson> As I was trying to say: humans can reproduce often by the age of 12.
[21:35:12] <Ingenu> not me :p
[21:35:20] <saivert> yes. before you only need to have a place to live and some crop to grow food in
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[21:35:27] <saivert> now you need to pay everything.
[21:35:31] <saivert> it costs a lot more
[21:35:42] <saivert> in order to be part of the modern society
[21:35:45] <MadEchidna> JonathanThompson, I heard that there was a girl who gave birth at 9
[21:35:50] <MadEchidna> saivert, yeah
[21:35:52] <Ingenu> but then I'm not human anyway, can't have anything to do with those fool beasts :p
[21:35:56] <JonathanThompson> There's also a much better chance the kids and mother won't die during childbirth, too.
[21:35:57] <MadEchidna> I mean I'm 23 and I couldn't support a kid right now
[21:36:09] <saivert> you barely can support yourself
[21:36:12] <saivert> probably
[21:36:18] <JonathanThompson> Not even yourself, MadEchidna ?
[21:36:32] <Ingenu> support != able
[21:36:35] <saivert> and if you study you have loans up to the neck
[21:36:38] <surrounder> 23 here an I wouldn't support a kid right now :P
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[21:36:49] <MadEchidna> JonathanThompson, I'm currently flat broke
[21:36:51] <kirilla> some of us seem likely to not procreate at all :I
[21:36:56] <saivert> if you don't have loaded parents who pay for your education
[21:37:01] <MadEchidna> I've reached the point where I'm going to have to give up my apartment
[21:37:05] * JonathanThompson finds a method to inflate MadEchidna
[21:37:07] <MadEchidna> my unemployment is all screwed up
[21:37:13] <surrounder> saivert: hehe not that bad here really
[21:37:22] <AlienSoldier> working is overrated
[21:37:33] <surrounder> working > studying imho :P
[21:37:45] <saivert> and even having education doesn't mean you are guaranteed a good job
[21:37:45] <JonathanThompson> Being unemployed is far worse if you don't have a money cushion, AlienSoldier
[21:37:48] <saivert> or a job that you want
[21:37:48] <MadEchidna> I owe the school $2000 atm but that's the least of my issues
[21:37:54] <MadEchidna> if I can't pay my rent what am I supposed to do
[21:37:57] <surrounder> have learned a lot more in the past 2,5 years then in the 4 years in college before it
[21:37:59] <saivert>  a lot of scholared people work at McDonalds or retail
[21:38:27] <JonathanThompson> Back in 2004 I was delivering pizza in Indianapolis.
[21:38:36] <saivert> meanwhile sending in applications after applications and going on interviews
[21:38:43] <JonathanThompson> After previously doing things like developing machine tool software.
[21:38:44] <saivert> and maybe after a lot of hard work you get some job
[21:38:54] <surrounder> saivert: they are too expensive perhaps ?
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[21:39:01] <stargater> hi
[21:39:14] <surrounder> I didn't finish my study, applied for 1 job and got accepted immediatly
[21:39:23] <surrounder> (very lucky I know)
[21:39:26] <saivert> what kind of job?
[21:39:27] <surrounder> but still doable :)
[21:39:32] <surrounder> saivert: linux sysadmin
[21:39:33] <saivert> was it related to your education?
[21:39:41] <surrounder> yeah somwhat
[21:39:46] <saivert> ah I would kill to get a job like that
[21:39:48] <surrounder> had to learn my linux teachers about linux though
[21:39:52] <saivert> just something where I can grow my skills
[21:40:49] <surrounder> bluh :-/
[21:40:56] <ragcsee> JonathanThompson: have you received any more text messages?
[21:41:01] <JonathanThompson> He's got the advantage that if things truly hit the fan for him, he can move back in with his Dad a few miles away at a rent he couldn't possibly find anywhere else.
[21:41:02] <saivert> seriously? you get more money unemployed?
[21:41:04] <JonathanThompson> No
[21:41:07] <ragcsee> :/
[21:41:08] <JonathanThompson> t yet.
[21:41:08] <saivert> something is screwed up
[21:41:27] <JonathanThompson> saivert: he's screwed up.
[21:41:35] <ragcsee> not even a "fck you, man" or something? :/
[21:41:35] <surrounder> heh
[21:41:39] <JonathanThompson> Hes' going on 34, makes $11.50/hour.
[21:41:57] <JonathanThompson> Nothing back yet: I need to text message them and see what they had for dinner last night :p
[21:42:28] <ragcsee> do it! :D
[21:42:47] <JonathanThompson> saivert: cost of living is rather high around here, AND my income majory exceeded the upper limit of what you get any more unemployment for.
[21:43:00] <Ingenu> is 11.5$/hour good ?
[21:43:09] <saivert> no
[21:43:09] <surrounder> wouldn't think so
[21:43:10] <Ingenu> no clue how much I make
[21:43:26] <oZ]> You don't know how much you make?
[21:43:40] <saivert> I got a problem. I like being lazy
[21:43:45] <DraX> 11.5 is barely over minimum wage in CA i think
[21:43:49] <saivert> I should work much harder and accomplish much more
[21:43:51] <surrounder> I only know what I can spend each month :P
[21:43:52] <saivert> but I don't
[21:43:55] <saivert> can't be arsed
[21:43:58] <Ingenu> let me check how much I'm underpaid ;p
[21:44:15] <JonathanThompson> In this area, $11.50/hour isn't much over minimum wage.
[21:44:22] <surrounder> saivert: yeah same here, should get my RHCE (it's paid for me) but I failed the 1st time and I don't really feel like doing it again anytime soon :P
[21:44:24] <oZ]> I was underpaid in Seattle. I feel better about it now in Minneapolis.
[21:44:27] <JonathanThompson> (This is the seattle area)
[21:44:58] <MadEchidna> I was making $12 an hour at my last job
[21:44:58] <JonathanThompson> Typically, places require you make at least 3 times the gross income as the rent...
[21:45:11] <JonathanThompson> He wouldn't be able to really get anywhere if he had to live by that.
[21:45:12] <MadEchidna> and unemployment is only planning to give me $170 a week
[21:45:15] <JonathanThompson> The places that
[21:45:15] <AlienSoldier> i now produce most of my food and fix all my stuff myself, i only need money to buy technology now
[21:45:20] <JonathanThompson> allow a lower
[21:45:21] <MadEchidna> freaking terrible
[21:45:28] <JonathanThompson> multiple are crap.
[21:45:36] <MadEchidna> <JonathanThompson> Typically, places require you make at least 3 times the gross income as the rent...
[21:45:43] <MadEchidna> not really, unless you want to live somewhere really nice
[21:45:51] <AlienSoldier> the big rape is paying for rent and for cars, remove that and you barely need to work
[21:45:57] <oZ]> JonathanThompson: I don't think my version of Colloquy has nearly the number of issues as yours. ;)
[21:45:58] <MadEchidna> all the places I looked at here in Tacoma were $500-$700 and just asked for a deposit
[21:46:16] <Ingenu> but then I chose the worst industry in computer
[21:46:18] <oZ]> But then you have to live in Tacoma.
[21:46:22] <JonathanThompson> The places in this area I lived before getting stuck were... really nice ;)
[21:46:24] <Ingenu> games don't pay
[21:46:37] <oZ]> I hear the game industry is no fun and no pay anymore. :(
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[21:46:39] <jsmaniac> AlienSoldier: you'll only need Reprap to build your own tech, and you won't need eny more money heh :)
[21:46:39] <oZ]> It's the new EE.
[21:46:46] <JonathanThompson> Yes, Tacoma is a place to avoid, like Detroit is, only Tacoma is far hillier :p
[21:46:58] <oZ]> Haha, Detroit is a whole new world of urban decay. ;)
[21:47:02] <surrounder> zomg, I'm surrounded by americans!
[21:47:09] * JonathanThompson grew up 20 miles north of Detroit
[21:47:21] <oZ]> surrounder: Just like our government, we're trying to be everywhere. ;)
[21:47:21] <surrounder> *steps into his wooden shoes*
[21:47:22] <Ingenu> bah
[21:47:33] <surrounder> oZ]: haha
[21:47:51] <Ingenu> where's MS already ? Seattle ?
[21:48:01] <JonathanThompson> Redmond, Bellevue, but Seattle area.
[21:48:12] <Ingenu> ah true
[21:48:32] <JonathanThompson> Though people that want to commute to Redmond from Seattle are... nuts.
[21:48:43] <JonathanThompson> During rush hours, the bridges between them crawl.
[21:48:46] <MadEchidna> <JonathanThompson> Though people that want to commute to Redmond from Seattle are... nuts.
[21:48:48] <MadEchidna> haw that's nothing
[21:48:57] <MadEchidna> I know people who commute there from Bremerton and Tacoma
[21:49:00] <AlienSoldier> Detroit is prety much as post apocalyptic than Hokuto no Ken now
[21:49:01] <MadEchidna> now that's the life
[21:49:03] <surrounder> JonathanThompson: public transportation not an option ?
[21:49:05] <MadEchidna> nothing like the ferry commute
[21:49:05] <oZ]> At least that's north/south.
[21:49:09] <JonathanThompson> I've had recruiters ask if I'd be wanting to work in Tacoma.
[21:49:11] <oZ]> I lived in Seattle, worked in Bellevue. Commuting sucked.
[21:49:25] <MadEchidna> oZ], psh
[21:49:31] <MadEchidna> I'll tell you a bad commute
[21:49:42] <MadEchidna> I took the bus every day from Seatac to Kirkland for 6 months
[21:49:44] <MadEchidna> now that was fun
[21:49:50] <saivert> please, you guys don't have to 1-up each other on bad commutes
[21:49:52] <oZ]> That's a double whammy.
[21:49:53] <saivert> it's childish
[21:49:53] <MadEchidna> I had about half an hour of non-bus free time
[21:50:03] <oZ]> Then you get to spend time on the bus with the people that ride from SeaTac. ;)
[21:50:03] <MadEchidna> saivert, there's nothing wrong with swapping stories
[21:50:06] <JonathanThompson> MadEchidna: if they have to deal with I-405 during rush hour, they're nuts or stupid :p
[21:50:22] <oZ]> OK, guys, apparently we have to get back on topic talking about 13 decimal places.
[21:50:22] <MadEchidna> JonathanThompson, you forgot option 3
[21:50:31] <JonathanThompson> Run?
[21:50:33] <MadEchidna> nuts, stupid, or _would rather live in a house than the street_
[21:50:36] <MadEchidna> I mean seriously
[21:50:55] <JonathanThompson> I've been on WA-520 many times where I could have walked in 15 minutes the distance I drove in 35 :p
[21:50:56] <MadEchidna> yeah, I'd like to be picky and just not work, but then I'll be eating out of trash cans
[21:50:58] <MadEchidna> that's appealing
[21:51:19] <JonathanThompson> Well, if you have the financial choice, it makes far more sense to live closer in.
[21:51:22] <oZ]> heh.
[21:51:38] <oZ]> I just moved somewhere where the property values are more in line with realistic income. ;)
[21:51:42] <JonathanThompson> The more you make, the more it makes sense to live closer due to your hourly effective value.
[21:52:09] <saivert> also you can afford living close
[21:52:12] <surrounder> I love my 3 minute walk in the morning
[21:52:18] <JonathanThompson> And if you can't get more hours, then if you don't make much, well, you just sacrifice free time and stress for a "cheaper" place to live.
[21:52:24] <surrounder> live in a 13 m2 room above a bar though, but no commuting! \o/
[21:52:56] <AlienSoldier> now i only work to pay for a project i want to do, then i stop working
[21:53:05] <AlienSoldier> rince and repeat
[21:53:14] <JonathanThompson> When I moved out to this area, I had already found via Wikipedia that the number of commuters into Bellevue was more than their population, so it was a no-brainer: find something as close to work as possible.
[21:53:25] <surrounder> hehe
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[21:53:30] <AlienSoldier> and i still get enough money to give to haiku :)
[21:53:36] <JonathanThompson> Thus, my commute ended up being 2 blocks that involved crossing 4th ST NE and going up to the 8th floor on the elevator.
[21:53:58] <JonathanThompson> There were entire weeks I didn't even *look* at my car.
[21:54:06] <Ingenu> mmmh
[21:54:16] * surrounder doesnt have a driving license
[21:54:20] <Ingenu> reminds me I'm about to buy Windows 7
[21:54:26] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson come live in a small village in Canada
[21:54:31] <surrounder> Ingenu: do so!
[21:54:36] <Ingenu> which means as much I must give to Haiku
[21:54:53] * Ingenu made that a rule
[21:54:58] <surrounder> hehe
[21:55:14] <JonathanThompson> Which means what, AlienSoldier: I'd have to drive because you can't tell there's people nearby that qualify without a helicopter to see lights from the sky? :D
[21:55:23] <Ingenu> would also give if there was an Office suite
[21:55:41] <surrounder> eeekoffice
[21:55:44] <JonathanThompson> (Moose, elk and bears don't count!)
[21:55:50] <surrounder> Ingenu: vim and latex! ;)
[21:55:51] <MadEchidna> Ingenu, there _is_ an office suite for Haku
[21:55:54] <MadEchidna> you can run Koffice
[21:56:06] <JonathanThompson> Beavers, however, just might, if you dress them properly in people suits ;)
[21:56:12] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson yep, meat just walk to your door here :)
[21:56:13] <Ingenu> I meant something good ;p
[21:56:19] <surrounder> like vim and latex
[21:56:22] <Ingenu> Haiku >> Windows
[21:56:45] <Ingenu> xx >> Office 07, or I don't give ^^
[21:56:51] <JonathanThompson> Are you saying the local wildlife is just dying to feed you, AlienSoldier ? :P
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[21:57:19] <Ingenu> bear meat ?
[21:57:25] <AlienSoldier> yes
[21:57:44] <AlienSoldier> they are not really predator, more vegetarian
[21:57:57] <oZ]> yeah, haiku needs an office suite, a better messaging client, and probably some decent vm software. ;)
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[21:58:36] <Ingenu> pidgin could be enough
[21:58:45] * OmniMancer promotes oZ] to general confusion from captain obvious
[21:58:47] <AlienSoldier> but i don't hunt bear myself, they control deer and that is fine for my oschard
[21:58:54] <OmniMancer> Ingenu: more libpurple would be enough
[21:59:04] <oZ]> OmniMancer: I do what I can.
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[21:59:19] <Ingenu> w/o GUI I don't use :p
[21:59:48] <OmniMancer> Ingenu: we can then use libpurple to make a frontend, pidgin being gtk is not nice to port to haiku
[22:00:06] <drano> development of a libpurple-based client would probably go very quickly
[22:00:09] <Ingenu> as long as the front end is good
[22:00:26] <Ingenu> and not an afterthought/side effect
[22:00:27] <oZ]> There's a lot of talk about making a native libpurple client, a la Adium, but is anyone working on anything?
[22:00:40] <oZ]> (a rootless X11 implementation would be useful here, too. heh.)
[22:00:59] <Ingenu> no idea
[22:01:21] <oZ]> I remember a discussion last week between two people with ideas, and potentially working together, but not sure how that ended. :)
[22:01:42] <oZ]> lol.
[22:02:24] <Ingenu> I'm looking for idiot proof prog language btw
[22:02:33] <Ingenu> if anyone has any idea
[22:02:48] <stargater> http://www.team-maui.org/dir/projects/TicTacToe/ttt.png
[22:02:49] <Ingenu> need be garbage collected
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[22:03:12] <Ingenu> stargater: :)
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[22:03:51] <JonathanThompson> Ingenu: I think you're hosed, as I don't believe in the concept of a programming language (or much of anything) that is idiot proof, given a sufficiently advanced idiot :p
[22:04:07] <Ingenu> true
[22:04:14] <stargater> but it not finished, i add 2 new class Game and Players , but i am on good way :-)
[22:04:29] <Ingenu> but we can filter the "too idiot" during interviews
[22:04:43] <stargater> good to learn c/c++ and BeAPI Drawing
[22:04:46] <AlienSoldier> Ingenu legomindstorm
[22:05:04] <Ingenu> lol
[22:05:08] <stargater> legomendstrom is verry cool
[22:05:14] <JonathanThompson> I get the impression you could be a very advanced idiot, Ingenu :P
[22:05:26] <Ingenu> what ?
[22:05:32] <AlienSoldier> amiga vision was nice also
[22:05:37] <Ingenu> I'm not your mirror :p
[22:05:58] <JonathanThompson> No, you'd be pure brilliance if so :P
[22:06:19] <Ingenu> reflective
[22:06:51] <OmniMancer> um
[22:06:57] <Ingenu> I'm just tired of fixing tons of crap software
[22:07:09] <OmniMancer> libpurple has annoying dependencies apparently
[22:07:11] <Ingenu> so ill written even students would be ashame
[22:07:17] <stargater> oh tons are not good
[22:07:22] <Ingenu> oh ?
[22:07:28] <stargater> ups
[22:07:32] <SiCuTDeUx> afternoon!
[22:07:36] <AlienSoldier> amiga vision : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KIZQzYSls
[22:07:46] <JonathanThompson> So, do you want to write tons of crap software instead so some other poor sap gets to fix it instead, Ingenu ? :D
[22:07:51] <OmniMancer> it would be a good thing to make caya protocol modules from libpurple but its annoying to get libpurple on haiku
[22:08:07] <Ingenu> JonathanThompson: that'd be a sweet revenge
[22:08:13] <Ingenu> but I have a soul
[22:08:19] <JonathanThompson> Go for it :p
[22:09:01] <Ingenu> I feel like I'm always coming after retards
[22:09:09] <Ingenu> they got paid to write shit
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[22:09:16] <Ingenu> that annoys the hell out of me
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[22:09:42] <Ingenu> I should get the sum of their salary for writing good software
[22:09:44] <CyberKitsune> hey mmadia, can you do me a favor
[22:09:52] <Ingenu> he can
[22:10:10] <CyberKitsune> can you remove the 1st syslog attachment on my ticket? I used the wrong command for it and it just outputted "syslog"
[22:10:17] <JonathanThompson> Just got a text reply from the person I had fun with last night: "No i was really sad"
[22:11:21] <stargater> Ingenu, what do you write for haiku ?
[22:11:32] <JonathanThompson> Love notes :p
[22:12:06] <Ingenu> stargater: nothing
[22:12:23] <stargater> oh why ?
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[22:12:45] <stargater> no motivation  ?
[22:13:55] <stargater> OmniMancer, what do you write for haiku ?
[22:14:29] <OmniMancer> I don't really write stuff for haiku :P
[22:14:40] <OmniMancer> I try to get llvm working in spare time
[22:14:44] <Ingenu> stargater: nothing interesting to contribute really
[22:14:46] <OmniMancer> and sometimes try to port some things
[22:14:55] <stargater> oh nice OmniMancer
[22:15:02] <JonathanThompson> He's a porter, though.
[22:15:04] <JonathanThompson> 
[22:15:13] <JonathanThompson> And if he does it over again, he's a reporter ;)
[22:15:18] <OmniMancer> I need to get to the point where I can get llvm working before one of their  releases :P
[22:15:45] <stargater> Ingenu, what will you plan for haiku ? :-)
[22:15:46] <Ingenu> llvm is the good compiler front-end, no ?
[22:15:56] <OmniMancer> other end Ingenu
[22:16:00] <stargater> it is a compiler
[22:16:10] <OmniMancer> no
[22:16:14] <OmniMancer> its a backend
[22:16:14] <stargater> with gcc compatibility
[22:16:17] <Ingenu> ah, back-end
[22:16:21] <OmniMancer> NONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!
[22:16:26] <stargater> ups
[22:16:26] <Ingenu> ?
[22:16:29] <OmniMancer> stargater you are meaning clang
[22:16:34] <OmniMancer> yes ingenu backend
[22:16:44] <stargater> ahh yes clang
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[22:17:08] <Ingenu> not sure what compiler back-end is
[22:17:38] <OmniMancer> Ingenu: it's the part that handles the generation of the assembly from some intermediate representation
[22:17:39] <Ingenu> parser? syntax analyser ? compiler ? optimiser ?
[22:17:53] <OmniMancer> its the optimiser and assembly emmitter/codegend
[22:17:55] <OmniMancer> codegen
[22:18:07] <OmniMancer> they are also working on their own assembler
[22:18:10] <Ingenu> so it's fed the syntax tree and generate code ?
[22:18:21] <Ingenu> ok
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[22:19:57] <stargater> Ingenu, what your intresting for development ?
[22:20:39] <Ingenu> 3d stuff
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[22:20:53] <stargater> oh nice
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[22:20:59] <Ingenu> might be veey interesting to work on OpenGL and 3d driverd
[22:21:08] <Ingenu> drivers*
[22:21:34] <Ingenu> I don't have a computer atm, I'll think
[22:21:51] <Ingenu> about helping in that area when I get one
[22:22:31] <stargater> haiku have no 3d hardware only software
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[22:24:38] <stargater> Ingenu, a demo app for 3d whas nice to have in haiku. aka gears , a app who can see FPU
[22:24:42] <Ingenu> I remember Rudolf working on HW OpenGL
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[22:25:02] <stargater> yes
[22:25:21] <kirilla> recent mention of gallium3d, and work to be donated, if the employer of the person permits
[22:25:28] <kirilla> .. was interesting to hear
[22:25:33] <warpdesign> hello
[22:25:34] <kirilla> I forgot who it was
[22:25:39] <kirilla> hi warpdesign
[22:25:59] <stargater> sonja?
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[22:26:38] <kirilla> was it? (zenya solaja?)
[22:26:51] <PulkoMandy> i think it is
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[22:27:11] <stargater> yes
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[22:31:39] <OmniMancer> hi DHowett
[22:31:53] <OmniMancer> Ingenu: no it doesn't work on syntax trees since that would be too specific
[22:32:03] <OmniMancer> it works on a somewhat low level IR representation
[22:32:32] <OmniMancer> it means it's a bit more work for the compiler but still much less work than writing generators for every arch supported by llvm
[22:33:08] <Nulani> What instant messaging clients is it people use in Haiku these days?
[22:35:00] <OmniMancer> well there is caya that is under development, but pretty much none so far
[22:35:12] <PulkoMandy> there's IMkir
[22:35:15] <PulkoMandy> IMkit*
[22:35:36] <PulkoMandy> and Vision for irc, of course
[22:35:37] <Nulani> Tried Caya. I couldn't get it to run. Built fine, but spluttered errors when I tried to run it.
[22:35:40] <Nulani> Well, of course.
[22:35:45] <Nulani> I'll try IMKit.
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[22:36:09] <PulkoMandy> basically IMkit is the older caya, it's more complete but not bezing developped anymore
[22:36:20] <Nulani> *Nod.
[22:36:21] <PulkoMandy> unfortunately caya is not quite ready for mainstream use
[22:36:26] <Nulani> I noticed.
[22:37:08] <kirilla> I don't use IM much myself.
[22:37:19] <MadEchidna> there, I think my spam is all gone now
[22:37:20] <MadEchidna> http://spindash.org/blog/?p=66
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[22:37:39] <vooshy> Nulani: some people are looking into developing caya a bit though
[22:37:59] <Ingenu> parse tree
[22:38:07] <Nulani> It'd serve me just fine if I got it to run. XD
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[22:40:07] <kirilla> the mount_server crashes from time to time at bootup of haiku in virtualbox
[22:41:11] <Advant> Is there a more formal term for pros/cons ?
[22:41:40] <kirilla> Advant: advantages/disadvantages? :P
[22:41:56] <Advant> yeah, not bad
[22:42:00] <Nulani> Let's see, that's imkit built, now to figure out what to install where to get it to run.
[22:42:05] <vooshy> Nulani: what protocol are you aiming to use?
[22:42:24] <Nulani> Jabber, I was hoping.
[22:42:42] <kirilla> Advant: I like "drawbacks".. not sure which positive term fits with it
[22:43:11] <kirilla> benefit
[22:43:31] <kirilla> deficit
[22:43:33] <Advant> benefits is good for positive, not sure about drawbacks
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[22:48:31] <CyberKitsune> Hey all
[22:48:39] <CyberKitsune> where is SDL for haiku?
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[22:50:28] <kirilla> CyberKitsune: is it available through Terminal // installoptionalpackage -l
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[22:51:16] <kirilla> installoptionalpackage -l | grep -i SDL
[22:51:17] <CyberKitsune> No
[22:51:26] <CyberKitsune> It's not
[22:51:33] <kirilla> then I don't know :]
[22:51:40] <kirilla> maybe on haikuware.com
[22:51:42] <CyberKitsune> http://haiku-files.org/
[22:51:42] <CyberKitsune>  Available Optional Packages:
[22:51:43] <CyberKitsune>  ABI-compliance-checker APR APR-util BeAE BeBook BeHappy BeOSCompatibility BePDF BeZillaBrowser Bzip CDRecord Clockwerk CLucene CMake Curl CVS Expat Git KeymapSwitcher LibIconv LibXML2 Links MandatoryPackages Mercurial Nano Neon NetSurf OCaml OpenSound OpenSSH OpenSSL P7zip PCRE Pe Perl Python Rsync Sed SQLite Subversion Tar Vim Vision VLC WonderBrush XZ-Utils Yasm
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[23:01:49] <vooshy> CyberKitsune: http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/Downloads you can download sdl from there
[23:02:03] <Ingenu> night everyone
[23:02:16] <vooshy> night Ingenu
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[23:05:10] <stargater> n8
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[23:08:48] <Dane_> wow, WebPositive is looking GOOD!
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[23:11:53] <Nulani> WebPositive is looking awesome, yes.
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[23:18:06] <OmniMancer> waaaa everyone poof :'(
[23:18:22] <H_MrSun> lalalala
[23:18:45] * H_MrSun tries to figure out how to not init the default pointer inside the class boudn to BeAPI ...
[23:18:55] <H_MrSun> without cluttering the damn headers totaly
[23:19:02] <H_MrSun> no, constructors
[23:19:03] <H_MrSun> :P
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[23:28:31] <CyberKitsune> Does haiku have a nasm equalivalint?
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[23:29:01] <DraX> H_MrSun: how's habid going?
[23:29:58] <Disreali> CyberKitsune: yasm
[23:30:44] <H_MrSun> DraX, slowly =)
[23:30:47] <H_MrSun> but forward
[23:30:59] <H_MrSun> trying to figure out some quirks like BeAPI returning pointers to objects etc
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[23:31:29] <H_MrSun> in ordenary constructors you always want them set to just be able to do like BMessage msg = new BMessage;
[23:31:51] <H_MrSun> but when returned a pointer you dont want the internal pointer set and allocated at the new statement but after the new statement :)
[23:32:05] <CIA-45> bonefish * r36002 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (BeOSRules ImageRules): (log message trimmed)
[23:32:05] <CIA-45> * DoCatalogs:
[23:32:05] <CIA-45> Currently commented out as it breaks the build.
[23:32:05] <CIA-45> Instead we set the variable HAIKU_CATALOG_FILES on the target and
[23:32:05] <CIA-45> automatically add the catalogs of a target in AddFilesToContainer.
[23:33:31] <H_MrSun> and then to figure out if the object owns the pointer or not
[23:33:39] <H_MrSun> if a pointer is returned, should i delete it afterwards?
[23:33:43] <H_MrSun> or does BeAPI do that for me? :)
[23:37:42] <kirilla> H_MrSun: I think that in general in the Be API you're not supposed to delete what you get by pointer, as somebody else owns what it points to
[23:37:45] <H_MrSun> like in the case of "FindMessage in Message
[23:38:18] <H_MrSun> kirilla, so generaly everything that returns a pointer i get set ownage to false on ? :)
[23:38:39] <yarou> ioquake3 for haiku
[23:38:40] <kirilla> I can't say that it applies universally
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[23:39:02] <H_MrSun> kirilla, no i can understand that :)
[23:39:25] <H_MrSun> i guess i will find out by memory leaks etc later tho if i set ownage to false on everything like that :)
[23:39:37] <H_MrSun> btw, SetOwnsPointer or SetOwnage ? :)
[23:39:40] <H_MrSun> what is a better name ?
[23:40:19] <kirilla> in general the Be API usually makes you pass object instances as arguments, instead of instantiating objects for you and turning over ownership by way of a pointer
[23:41:59] <kirilla> the BeBook is usually clear on who owns the object
[23:42:10] <kirilla> well, in my experience
[23:43:51] <kirilla> I'm leaning towards the explicit mention of SetOwnsPointer.. but I don't know.
[23:44:05] <kirilla> explicit mention of "pointer"
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[23:44:56] <kirilla> but I suppose what's owned is not really the pointer by the pointee(?)
[23:45:16] <kirilla> the object instance pointed at
[23:48:47] <H_MrSun> huh ? :)
[23:49:23] <kirilla> which line? :P
[23:50:25] <kirilla> I don't think it's esp. common for the BeAPI to turn over ownership (having to delete) something you get a pointer for
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[23:51:38] <kirilla> that's what I meant with the first line. It's more common to already have an stack or heap allocated object, which one passes by reference to a function that does something to it
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[23:53:45] <kirilla> e.g. there'd be a status_t getBPathFromString(BPath* path, char* path), and not a BPath* getBPathFromString(char* path)
[23:54:18] <H_MrSun> kirilla, hmm what do you mean now? the first one i own the object, the second one i dont? :)
[23:57:25] <kirilla> H_MrSun: yes, in general
[23:59:20] <kirilla> anyway, I'm guessing your language skills surpass mine with good margin :)

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