March 28, 2010 
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March 28, 2010 [00:05:35] <jarz> What happened to the Haiku teams? I see some references on the web but the pages don't seem to exist anymore.[00:09:44] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:19:27] <mmadia42> that's an outdated concept, jarz.[00:19:42] <jarz> ok[00:20:14] <jarz> thanks mmadia42[00:20:44] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:26:57] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[00:31:45] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[00:32:09] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[00:34:03] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:36:47] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:40:33] *** Kroki has quit IRC[00:45:35] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[00:51:01] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[00:59:50] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[01:00:14] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[01:06:15] *** mischi has quit IRC[01:14:46] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[01:18:55] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:27:25] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[01:36:08] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[01:36:34] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[01:39:54] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:41:57] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[01:46:02] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[01:55:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:58:00] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[03:23:48] *** oco has quit IRC[03:33:40] *** ivoire has quit IRC[03:42:07] *** ivoire has joined #haiku[03:45:25] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[03:46:15] *** Megaf has quit IRC[03:48:44] *** david2 has quit IRC[03:56:57] *** diegoviola has joined #haiku[03:57:01] <diegoviola> hi[03:57:07] <diegoviola> will haiku replace linux when it's ready?[03:59:20] <MasterStarman> replace linux?[03:59:44] <MasterStarman> No, I don't think so. Haiku is a BeOS continuation[04:01:03] <diegoviola> nice, i used beos very little, and it was a very fast os from what i've seen[04:01:08] <OmniMancer> diegoviola: I don't think anything could pull hardcore linux zealots away from it[04:01:20] <OmniMancer> haiku is nice :D[04:01:30] <MasterStarman> (Also, while colloquially known as an operating system, in actuality Linux is a kernel)[04:01:40] <MasterStarman> (Haiku is a full OS)[04:02:08] <MasterStarman> OmniMancer, you've almost gotten me completely pulled away[04:02:34] <MasterStarman> I haven't used my since I got here linux machine until earlier when I was using Eclipse[04:03:25] <MasterStarman> OmniMancer, earlier you talked about having to port Java to Haiku. Wasn't that going to be proposed to OpenJDK?[04:03:40] <diegoviola> so what advantages haiku has when compared to a linux distro with a desktop environment, etc[04:03:47] <OmniMancer> indeed linux is a kernel, which even its maker now says he would not do the same way again and GNU and freedesktop provide most of the OS stuff :P[04:04:23] <diegoviola> OmniMancer: when Linus said he wouldn't do it again?[04:04:26] <OmniMancer> diegoviola: no X :P[04:04:42] <MasterStarman> OmniMancer, why is X bad?[04:04:45] *** nopper has quit IRC[04:04:52] <OmniMancer> diegoviola: well im not sure but I have heard he said we would not go the route of a monolithic kernel like linux again[04:05:02] <OmniMancer> MasterStarman: you have to ask that question?[04:05:10] <diegoviola> OmniMancer: can you provide the source of that?[04:05:12] <MasterStarman> yeah, I've never heard that before actually[04:05:28] <diegoviola> OmniMancer: I think he was against microkernels[04:05:33] <saivert> Linus firmly stands behind the Linux kernel[04:05:35] <diegoviola> OmniMancer: and in favor of monolithic[04:05:44] <MasterStarman> I have my own opinions about such things, I would prefer something that worked in vectors, mainly because it should mean better interface flexibility[04:05:51] <OmniMancer> diegoviola: no I can't and microkernels and monoliths are not the only kind :P[04:06:12] <diegoviola> OmniMancer: why can't you?[04:06:14] <OmniMancer> anyway ignore it[04:06:20] *** aphedox has quit IRC[04:06:27] <OmniMancer> because its hearsay and speculation :P[04:06:32] <saivert> yes but you will always need device drivers[04:06:40] <saivert> regardless of the structure of the kernel[04:07:46] <OmniMancer> indeed[04:08:34] <saivert> even with EFI which was going to put generic driver code on the hardware itself (extended firmware) you needed some software to make use of it from the OS[04:10:06] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[04:11:27] <OmniMancer> mhmm[04:14:40] *** margiolas has quit IRC[04:16:46] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[04:17:09] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[04:20:15] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[04:25:54] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:28:52] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[04:39:40] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[04:47:03] <largo> hrm.... WebPositive is showing a favicon at the wrong size. :/[04:48:17] <largo> most seem fine, but reddit.com is showing the favicon at 17x17 instead of its actual (and correct) 16x16 size.[04:48:22] <largo> so it looks bad. :([04:48:59] <drano> seems like quite the minor bug[04:49:34] <MasterStarman> seems like quite the strange bug too[04:50:33] <Kokito> largo, if I remember correctly what stippi said at one point, it is by design[04:50:49] <largo> ?[04:50:56] <largo> did he say that here in the chat?[04:51:00] <AlexForster> i would be pretty interested in knowing how that happens accidently[04:51:14] <largo> I cannot see why you would do that by design. it's entirely wrong and other ones don't show it at that size.[04:51:30] <Kokito> largo, or on the mailing list; don´t remember[04:51:30] <largo> for instance I also opened "guidetojapanese.org", and that one is the correct size. 16x16.[04:51:43] <largo> I'll have to try to find it.[04:52:14] <largo> I also noticed that middle clicking on a link opens a new blank tab, but doesn't load the page in it... and oddly removes the favicon from the tab of the link you're on. :P[04:52:20] <helf|laptop> howdy[04:53:08] <largo> I'm guessing that's related to the code that makes sure the favicon gets updated to the new pages one (or lack thereof) getting called for the current page rather than the new tab that will (I'm guessing) eventually load the new page etc.[04:53:26] <largo> helf|laptop: howdy :)[04:55:28] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[04:55:58] <Kokito> largo, file bug reports[04:56:24] <Kokito> bbl[05:01:00] <largo> I just mailed haiku-webkit about it.[05:05:21] *** yourpalal_ has joined #haiku[05:05:45] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[05:08:50] *** diegoviola has left #haiku[05:11:25] *** Barrett has quit IRC[05:12:20] *** Blub\0 has quit IRC[05:12:57] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[05:36:51] *** raichoo has quit IRC[05:49:19] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:49:35] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:49:38] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[05:57:16] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[06:24:51] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[06:28:21] *** Qeos has quit IRC[06:30:27] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[06:34:19] <l_n> meh.[06:39:04] <geist> indeed[06:49:14] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[06:57:31] <l_n> i'm trying to get motivated to move on to the next chapter in the c++ book i'm reading.[06:57:48] <l_n> wikipedia/theregister/google are impeding my progress.[06:58:39] <OmniMancer> :([06:59:12] <yourpalal_> have you checked osnews/arstechnica ? nothing new on the weekends, but they usually distract me :D[07:00:17] <l_n> oh, and i forgot that irc also keeps me from getting anything done. :P[07:01:13] <l_n> btw, have any of you been getting (seemingly) random vm_page_faults from somewhere around r35928?[07:01:23] <l_n> i filed a bug, but no comments yet.[07:02:01] <jarz> l_n, which C++ book?[07:02:37] * DraX wonders why people read books about programming instead of just doing it[07:03:41] <yourpalal_> haha,now that you mention it, I just got a vm_page_fault![07:03:51] <mmadia> l_n, myself, aldeck, Disreali, ...,[07:04:08] <l_n> DraX: to learn the language.[07:04:17] <DraX> l_n: just try and write code in it[07:04:24] <DraX> l_n: you'll pick it up soon enough[07:04:31] <l_n> jarz: 'teach yourself c++' by herbert schildt (osborne is the publisher)[07:04:34] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:04:50] <DraX> mmadia: didn't you run a stress test on alpha 1?[07:04:57] <jarz> i've got a copy of "Accelerated C++" that I've been meaning to read[07:05:06] <mmadia> yeah, r1a1 is stable on my machine.[07:05:16] <mmadia> so i'm convinced it isn't my hardware.[07:05:26] <DraX> hopefully it will convince ingo[07:05:44] <mmadia> bah, i'll wait till more people report the crashes.[07:05:57] <mmadia> aldeck & Disreali have even been seening app_server bomb.[07:09:59] <DraX> :([07:19:22] <OmniMancer> What might area's be used for?[07:19:42] <DraX> shared memory[07:22:04] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[07:22:44] <OmniMancer> but what would you use shared memory for?[07:22:53] * mmadia likes seeing names in #gsoc & #haiku :)[07:25:43] <DraX> OmniMancer: usually you use it when you want to share large amonuts of data between two apps[07:25:49] <DraX> where doing it over some kind of IPC would suck[07:25:59] <DraX> xmms2 uses shared memory for visualization data for example[07:26:21] <DraX> some databases use it[07:27:23] <OmniMancer> ah[07:27:32] <OmniMancer> how do other OSs do shared memory?[07:27:43] <DraX> there is a posix api for it[07:27:51] <DraX> not sure how it's imeplemented in the os itself *shrug*[07:28:03] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:28:47] <OmniMancer> ah[07:28:49] <OmniMancer> mmap?[07:33:56] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:34:26] <jarz> psssh gsoc[07:34:55] <jarz> ;)[07:35:28] <OmniMancer> its gwoc[07:35:44] <DraX> not where it matters :P[07:36:00] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[07:37:50] <jarz> its a great success, but i'd rather work on a project like haiku on the side[07:38:13] <jarz> i tend to not burn out that way[07:40:08] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[07:40:36] <OmniMancer> indeed[07:40:46] <OmniMancer> I need to resume my space clearing[07:45:29] *** jarz has quit IRC[07:59:30] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:08:46] <OmniMancer> anyone have news on svn trunk llvm compiling on haiku?[08:10:24] <DraX> MrSunshine__: ^^^^^[08:13:10] *** mischi has joined #haiku[08:14:29] <OmniMancer> I want to know about trunk not 2.6[08:31:50] *** david2 has joined #haiku[08:36:43] <yourpalal_> OmniMancer: It's not looking good[08:42:30] *** mischi has quit IRC[08:43:01] <OmniMancer> :([08:43:10] <OmniMancer> I want to look into it again but need the space and time[08:43:44] <yourpalal_> not llvm compiling, I meant your chances of getting news about llvm[08:44:20] <yourpalal_> I'm pretty interested in that too, but I have not looked into it at all, I also think it would be cool to have Haiku compiling on clang[08:55:30] <OmniMancer> yes I want to get clang working[08:55:46] <OmniMancer> not really an Obj-C person but may look into having that work with clang too[08:55:57] <OmniMancer> but clang should compile fine after llvm does[08:56:08] <OmniMancer> I got it to before but since then they have added things to llvm[08:59:55] *** Dmitry2 has joined #haiku[09:00:05] *** DraX has quit IRC[09:00:05] *** DraX has joined #haiku[09:00:05] *** DraX has quit IRC[09:00:05] *** DraX has joined #haiku[09:00:21] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[09:01:36] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[09:01:36] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[09:01:36] *** helf2 is now known as helf|laptop[09:01:37] *** Dmitry2 is now known as DmitryM[09:01:37] <OmniMancer> also I should really implement the one function I made it just make not work[09:01:42] <OmniMancer> hi helf[09:02:13] <OmniMancer> could a processes heap space usage be determined by the image info?[09:22:46] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[09:26:41] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[09:27:29] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[09:38:27] *** david2 has quit IRC[09:42:39] *** fhein has joined #haiku[09:52:48] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[09:53:06] *** The123king has joined #haiku[10:06:47] <DraX> weeee[10:06:49] <DraX> hax1[10:13:36] <OmniMancer> hmmm?[10:14:00] *** aaaa has joined #haiku[10:14:08] <OmniMancer> DraX: the total memory used by a process? can it be done from the image info of all images in the process plus the sum of all areas?[10:14:25] <DraX> there is only one ``heap'' area[10:14:37] <DraX> and no idea *shrug* look at how ps figures it out[10:15:57] *** aaaa has quit IRC[10:18:11] *** rohit123 has joined #haiku[10:25:13] <OmniMancer> I think process controller looks at all of this[10:25:23] <OmniMancer> but the memory it uses could be more than the heap area[10:25:52] <OmniMancer> I guess I could make the haiku version of the routine just grab the heap size from the image info[10:26:12] <OmniMancer> oh wait the image info doesn't necessarily point to the heap[10:26:18] <OmniMancer> just the bit in the image...[10:27:28] <OmniMancer> DraX: this is probably why the "trick" he found doesn't work[10:27:39] <OmniMancer> the two pointers will probably point to the sections from the image[10:27:41] <OmniMancer> not the heap[10:28:16] <OmniMancer> so it will be the static text and data segments from the image copied into ram not the actual place that the dynamic memory is located?[10:34:39] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[10:41:39] <eml> What's the graphical environment in Haiku called?[10:48:15] <eml> If there is indeed a name for it[10:48:22] * eml fears the on-going silence[10:51:14] <yourpalal_> eml:what do you mean, specifically by graphical environment: the widgets? the software that handles graphical output?[10:52:03] <JonathanThompson> The Interface Kit.[10:52:14] <eml> Probably what JonathanThompson said.[10:52:20] <JonathanThompson> Or, the Application_Server.[10:52:29] <JonathanThompson> Depending on points of view.[10:52:39] <eml> In fact, both of those! :)[10:52:43] <yourpalal_> haha, widgets:Interface Kit, graphical output:app_server[10:52:47] <JonathanThompson> Beyond that, there's nothing it has been called.[10:53:04] * JonathanThompson needs sleep[10:53:06] <yourpalal_> although, the Interface kit tells the app_server how to draw the widgets... :D[10:58:28] *** david2 has joined #haiku[11:01:22] <eml> Heh, I find it very impressive that Haiku's boot time is ~10 seconds on my pc :)[11:06:44] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[11:07:51] <OmniMancer> yourpalal_: more the interface kit is the way that the app_server wants applications to tell it what widgets it must draw, it knows how to draw them :P[11:09:57] <yourpalal_> OmniMancer: hmm, It looks to me like the widgets are drawn by the be_control_look object, which is defined in the interface kit are in the tree, but this might be considered part of the app_server?[11:10:28] <JonathanThompson> It's a Yin/Yang type thing.[11:10:42] <JonathanThompson> One without the other is unbalanced and accomplishes nothing.[11:11:28] <yourpalal_> I think that's a good way to sum it up[11:12:18] <OmniMancer> yay[11:13:23] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[11:13:32] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[11:13:54] <yourpalal_> While we're on the subject of the interface kit, does anyone here feel like explaining weighting in BLayouts?[11:14:43] *** chronoz has joined #haiku[11:17:30] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[11:19:54] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[11:26:40] <yourpalal_> ...silence...[11:27:32] *** undertaker has joined #haiku[11:29:49] *** undertaker has quit IRC[11:32:16] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[11:34:23] *** yourpalal_ has quit IRC[11:36:09] *** wildur has joined #haiku[11:37:16] *** bknoedel has joined #haiku[11:42:23] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:42:47] *** bknoedel has quit IRC[11:48:04] <rohit123> I don't curl in the haiku usb stick which I prepared. Although I have it in virtual box image. How do I install curl?[11:48:22] <rohit123> i don't have it in my haiku usb stick[11:59:55] <OmniMancer> installoptionalpackage -a curl?[12:00:03] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[12:02:22] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[12:02:31] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[12:05:13] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[12:10:19] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[12:13:29] *** raichoo has quit IRC[12:14:54] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[12:18:05] <rohit123> OmniMancer: installoptionpackage command not found , this is the error I am gettign.[12:19:04] *** Malmis has quit IRC[12:22:47] <vooshy> rohit123: installoptionalpackage not installoptionpackage[12:23:25] <luroh> DraX: ping[12:24:15] <rohit123> vooshy: you got that right[12:26:28] <rohit123> installoptionalpackage is stuck on ... Fetching OptionalPackages ...[12:27:15] <vooshy> rohit123: you need internet access to download the list and packages[12:27:44] <rohit123> vooshy: I have the connection in a proxy environment. (campus)[12:28:07] <vooshy> rohit123: if you dont have internet access go to www.haiku-files.org and download the zip from optionalpackages[12:28:21] <vooshy> add to your haiku install and unzip to /boot[12:28:57] <CIA-45> stippi * r358 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/WebTabView.cpp:[12:28:57] <CIA-45> Use a better algorithm to figure out the final favicon display size. Icons which[12:28:57] <CIA-45> can be scaled down by an even factor will now be displayed better. Also enable[12:28:57] <CIA-45> smooth scaling and use a better drawing mode. The net result is that icons will[12:28:57] <CIA-45> be displayed between 14x14 and 18x18 with the best suitable scaling factor.[12:36:08] <rohit123> vooshy: curl seems to be working as it is recognized as a command after I unziped it into /boot[12:36:26] <vooshy> rohit123: good good[12:36:48] <rohit123> vooshy: running curl gives a error: runtime_loader: Cannot open file libssl.so.0.9.8[12:37:11] <vooshy> rohit123: you also need OpenSSL package[12:37:22] <rohit123> vooshy: okay i will get that[12:37:25] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[12:40:35] <rohit123> vooshy: hurrah, it works.[12:41:06] <rohit123> vooshy: installation is easier than any other OS[12:41:52] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[12:42:24] <kirilla> MacOS Classic meats apt-get :P[12:42:49] <kirilla> s/meats/meets :][12:43:04] <kirilla> (me blames it on breakfast)[12:43:18] <rohit123> vooshy: Can we set a proxy environment for the terminal?[12:45:22] <kirilla> rohit123: I suppose anything you can google about curl and bash should apply also in Haiku[12:45:22] <vooshy> rohit123: i thought if you set the network prefs to gateway via the proxy address you should be able to still use terminal[12:45:53] <rohit123> okay I will try that[12:46:06] <kirilla> gateway in TCP/IP != HTTP proxy[12:46:20] <kirilla> different layers[12:50:06] <vooshy> rohit123: sorry listen to kirilla, i was assuming[12:51:02] <rohit123> vooshy: oh no problem both of you are always being great help to my silly questions.[12:51:03] <kirilla> rohit123: does your network have a http proxy you have to log in to?[12:51:06] <OmniMancer> rohit123: I spelled the command correctly you read it wrong[12:51:28] <rohit123> OmniMancer: apologies again. I agree[12:51:58] <rohit123> kirilla: yes we have a http proxy with no login credentials requried.[12:53:00] <rohit123> kirilla: I can even browse with my BeZillaBrowser[12:53:01] <kirilla> okay, then I'm guessing you should be able to set up some shell environment variables for curl (or alt. supply proxy setting each time you run it)[12:53:14] <rohit123> kirilla: yes trying with http_proxy[12:54:00] <kirilla> rohit123: what http proxy settings does BeZillaBrowser have? And have you set these yourself or were they already provided?[12:54:37] <kirilla> some browsers have some rudimentary proxy auto-sensing (or whatever its called)[12:54:47] <rohit123> kirilal: I did the settings manually as I usually do for my firefox.[12:54:49] <rohit123> kirilla: sorry I misspelt your name[12:55:04] <rohit123> kirilla: yes but i had to do it myself here.[12:55:11] <kirilla> rohit123: no worries, I don't mind misspelling my name :)[12:55:35] <kirilla> rohit123: ok, so you know what to enter as proxy setting?[12:56:06] <rohit123> kirilla: yes , its just that i am not getting it right on bash, which i am getting on my ubuntu setup[12:56:47] <rohit123> kirilla: wowwwwww. it worked[12:56:58] <rohit123> kiilla: the curl works on my haiku setup[12:57:03] <kirilla> great :)[12:57:31] <kirilla> here's a little something from the web: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/httpscripting.html[12:57:59] <kirilla> not sure if this is useful to you: curl -U proxyuser:proxypassword curl.haxx.se[12:58:13] <rohit123> kirilla: Exaclty I am going through the same doc.[12:58:22] <kirilla> good good[13:00:42] *** Advant- has joined #haiku[13:01:39] *** Advant has quit IRC[13:02:20] <kirilla> this looks relevant: -x/--proxy <host[:port]> Use HTTP proxy on given port[13:03:29] <rohit123> kirilla: Just the following command set my proxy without curl settings > export http_proxy://ip:port[13:03:56] <kirilla> yeah[13:04:55] <rohit123> kirilla: now the enviroment is set for me, so that i can proceed for my work on c++ api fro curl[13:04:56] <kirilla> rohit123: http://haiku.pastebin.com/X8k8hA92[13:05:21] <kirilla> there's a config file mentioned that you can edit.. it might live in a different place in Haiku though[13:05:38] <kirilla> ~/.curlrc[13:06:07] <rohit123> kirilla: okay i will check that[13:06:09] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:06:09] <kirilla> or possibly ~/config/settings/.curlrc ? (anybody know?)[13:16:51] *** kitallis has quit IRC[13:20:13] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[13:21:38] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[13:29:38] *** rohit123 has quit IRC[13:29:53] *** rohit123 has joined #haiku[13:33:19] <vooshy> rohit123: out of curiosity what app are you programming in?[13:34:02] <rohit123> vooshy: i did not get your question. as in do you want to know project or devel environment[13:34:42] <vooshy> rohit123: environment e.g. Pe, nano, etc[13:35:37] <rohit123> vooshy: haiku[13:35:42] <rohit123> vooshy: ubuntu[13:36:15] <rohit123> vooshy: I would like to cross compile and then burn and image to usb stick and test it.[13:38:42] <kirilla> bbl[13:38:43] *** kirilla has quit IRC[13:39:31] *** vidvisitor has joined #haiku[13:39:58] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:40:14] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[13:40:42] <Anarchos> static const BString mimeSymbolFormat("application/mscore/symbol"); complains about "variable has initializer but incomplete type"[13:41:05] <rohit123> documentation that talks about haiku api?[13:41:27] <Anarchos> rohit123 it is more a c++ syntax problem[13:41:31] <vidvisitor> I have a problem with my internet connection over my macbook with an old computer running haiku the old computer cannot reach the network i use dhcp i had i same problem but i don't know how to solve it now[13:42:26] <rohit123> Anarchos: i wasn't replying to your query. sorry if you felt so. I was asking for documentation pointers.[13:43:04] <OmniMancer> Anarchos: try removing static and const and see if it works?[13:43:11] <OmniMancer> rohit123: the BeBook[13:43:34] <rohit123> OmniMancer: oh thx. going for it now.[13:46:25] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[13:47:34] <vooshy> vidvisitor: which revision of haiku?[13:48:02] <vidvisitor> the 35923[13:49:21] <vooshy> vidvisitor: try opening Network preferences, and see if dhcp is assigning incorrect.[13:49:28] *** luko has joined #haiku[13:49:47] <vidvisitor> yes it is not correct[13:50:23] <vooshy> vidvisitor: change it to static, change the details, it should then connect.[13:51:11] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[14:05:35] <vidvisitor> It do not work[14:08:08] *** oco has joined #haiku[14:08:57] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:14:49] *** vooshy has quit IRC[14:18:00] *** Ola has joined #haiku[14:18:28] *** Ola is now known as Guest19972[14:20:04] *** Guest19972 is now known as OlaHughson[14:21:53] *** Geoz|Lap has joined #haiku[14:25:38] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[14:28:28] *** vidvisitor has quit IRC[14:28:33] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[14:29:38] *** DHowett has quit IRC[14:30:28] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[14:31:53] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[14:32:33] *** DHowett has quit IRC[14:35:29] <rohit123> How does one go about writing own API for Haiku?[14:36:27] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[14:39:52] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:45:14] <kirilla> rohit123: The Haiku API is divided in "Kits". (This design is inherited from BeOS.) See http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/index.html[14:46:58] <kirilla> rohit123: The GSOC idea "Create C++ network stack class framework" should probably be made part of the "Network Kit"[14:47:23] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheNetworkKit_Overview.html[14:47:35] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheNetworkKit.html[14:47:54] <kirilla> About the source repository...[14:48:13] <kirilla> Here's the root of the source repository[14:48:15] <kirilla> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/[14:48:39] <kirilla> the kits are divided by headers and source, in two places[14:48:57] <kirilla> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/headers/os/net/[14:49:18] <kirilla> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/kits/network/[14:50:27] <kirilla> this is how public/published/official/blessed system API is stored in the repository (and made available to apps)[14:50:43] <kirilla> there's also a concept of private API, which is work-in-progress[14:51:13] <rohit123> kirilla: okay thx for this valuable info.[14:51:18] <kirilla> which could be meant to be elevated to public status, or meant to stay private/internal to Haiku[14:51:29] <kirilla> you're welcome[14:52:14] <rohit123> kirilla: I will start reading this code and documentation , but one thing that I want to know is , this seems to be part of the kernel[14:52:25] <kirilla> in general, any functionality which is not exposed in headers is private/unavailable[14:52:35] <rohit123> kirilla: okay[14:52:41] <kirilla> there's also private API which is available, which is published in a BPrivate namespace[14:52:53] <rohit123> kirilla:okay[14:53:18] <kirilla> search the grok thing haiku.it.su.se:8180 for BPrivate to learn more[14:53:44] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[14:53:52] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[14:54:02] <kirilla> rohit123: the network kit is a layer in userspace - not in the kernel.[14:54:49] <kirilla> it's shared library code in C and C++ that make use of the sockets layer which is exposed by the kernel. The network stack is indeed in the kernel, but the network kit is not.[14:55:09] <rohit123> kirilla: so just a userspace compile on top of haiku without haiku restart will server the purpose of designing an api[14:56:13] <kirilla> basically, the kernel makes available ethernet (link), IP, TCP, UDP, (layer?) and anything else HTTP, FTP, Telnet, whatever, (protocol) is purely in userspace .. as is common in unix for example[14:56:26] <rohit123> kirilla: yes[14:57:03] <kirilla> yeah, you should not have to restart Haiku or replace any kernel service[14:58:05] <rohit123> kirilla: you have being of great help in orienting me for gsoc, thx[14:58:36] <kirilla> there's also a network server, in userspace, which helps with dhcp and listens for incoming connections to provided services.. somewhat like inetd[14:58:41] *** jsmaniac has joined #haiku[14:58:49] <kirilla> np rohit123![15:00:03] <rohit123> kirilla: i'll get started then.[15:00:28] <kirilla> godspeed rohit123! :)[15:09:34] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[15:11:52] <kirilla> bbl[15:11:54] *** kirilla has quit IRC[15:12:22] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[15:13:40] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[15:17:17] *** luko has quit IRC[15:24:18] <CIA-45> bonefish * r35983 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TwoDimensionalLayout.cpp:[15:24:18] <CIA-45> * The CompoundLayouters were leaked before. 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Added a note about Freetype, which allows us to[17:08:42] <CIA-45> choose either the FTL or GPL. Added a note about PDFLib, whose license file[17:08:42] <CIA-45> is a pdf and lists some additional requirements for binary redistribution.[17:10:40] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35985 /haiku/trunk/data/system/data/licenses/ (Anti-Grain Geometry GPC): Added licenses that should've gone in the previous commit[17:11:34] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[17:12:38] <Disreali> anyone had luck using qemu on a windows host to run haiku?[17:12:44] <Disreali> hey DaaT[17:13:23] <DaaT> hi Disreali[17:13:38] <Disreali> what's new?[17:13:44] <DaaT> not much[17:14:24] <DaaT> on your side?[17:15:09] <Disreali> I have a working system again.[17:15:15] <DaaT> yay[17:15:40] <Disreali> after awhile, I seem to kill every linux install[17:15:55] <DaaT> well, it's linux[17:15:57] <DaaT> :P[17:16:16] *** kirilla has quit IRC[17:16:39] <Disreali> I've been testing the new ubuntu beta. can't wait for the release in a couple weeks[17:17:08] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[17:17:26] <DaaT> few months since i messed around with ubuntu[17:17:33] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:20:44] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[17:21:14] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:22:31] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[17:25:06] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[17:25:24] *** DaaT has quit IRC[17:26:31] *** jarz has joined #haiku[17:27:32] *** Geoz has quit IRC[17:31:09] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:32:13] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:39:35] *** scriptdevil has joined #haiku[17:41:12] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[17:43:00] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[17:45:38] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:46:12][17:47:02] *** _Qeos_ has joined #haiku[17:47:32] <mmadia> nein, http://www.cafepress.co.uk und http://www.cafepress.com[17:47:47] <mmadia> *http://www.cafepress.co.uk/haiku_os[17:48:05] <Lelldorin1> schade[17:48:21] <Lelldorin1> wie viel versadn muss man da zahlen?[17:48:40] <mmadia> Meine deutsch ist nicht gut :)[17:48:43] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[17:48:51] <Lelldorin1> mmadia: thanx[17:49:07] <Lelldorin1> mmadia: shipping price i want to know[17:49:52] <mmadia> it's listed at the websites, but there may be a large import tax.[17:50:22] <Lelldorin1> ok i make my own one[17:50:39] <mmadia> to sell or to wear?[17:50:53] <Lelldorin1> wear[17:51:08] * mmadia nods[17:51:42] <leszek> Lelldorin1, that would be very nice ;)[17:52:50] <mmadia> if you make any to sell, you'll need to let Haiku Inc know : http://www.freelists.org/list/haiku-inc or info at haiku-os dot org[17:53:24] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:53:52] <Lelldorin1> mmadia: i only want to have a haiku shirt[17:54:13] <Lelldorin1> or i make a besly one???? many questions ;-)[17:54:21] <Lelldorin1> beusergroup shirt will be nice too[18:00:50] *** scriptdevil has quit IRC[18:01:34] *** dr_evil2 has joined #haiku[18:02:29] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[18:03:05] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[18:04:32] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:08:41] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:09:48] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:09:51] <CIA-45> siarzhuk * r35986 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage:[18:10:02] <Lelldorin1> hmmmm haiku crashed[18:10:08] <Lelldorin1> and i dotn know why[18:10:39] <Lelldorin1> ditn= don't[18:10:48] <mmadia> what revision and how did it crash?[18:11:15] <Disreali> did it crash to kdl or gdb?[18:11:42] <Lelldorin1> kdl[18:12:20] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[18:12:48] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[18:12:52] <Lelldorin1> Disreali: the joke is i am at shower and do nothing with the system (only vision)[18:13:29] <CIA-45> siarzhuk * r35987 /haiku/trunk/headers/ (os/kernel/OS.h private/shared/cpu_type.h): - CPU identification for 'Core i5 CPU M 430 @ 2.27' added. 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existing source checkout and also add catalog entries to Jamfiles if a language is new to a Jam target[18:51:46] <kirilla> this way any developer could easily grab the latest off HTA and test and/or submit it[18:51:46] <kirilla> e.g. jam get-hta-latest jp Mail[18:51:46] <kirilla> or jam get-hta-latest jp[18:51:46] <kirilla> or jam get-hta-latest[18:51:46] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[18:51:47] *** chris_ has joined #haiku[18:51:48] <kirilla> Kokito: this means that the HTA would need to make available the signed off translations (catalogs for a Jam target) separately, per language group, per Jam target (e.g. Mail) and all in one big archive[18:51:48] <Kokito> oh, hi kirilla >([18:51:48] <Kokito> oops, wrong keymap :)[18:51:48] <kirilla> haha[18:51:48] *** pfoetche1 has joined #haiku[18:51:48] *** tic has quit IRC[18:51:48] <Anarchos> what is HTA ?[18:51:48] *** _Vampyre has joined #haiku[18:51:49] <kirilla> sorry :)[18:51:49] <Kokito> kirilla, HTA can already generate a batch of patches using a web interface[18:51:49] <kirilla> that's great[18:51:49] <kirilla> Kokito: what I'm getting at is that I think the process needs to remain that a committer pulls the signed-off updates[18:51:49] <Kokito> using jam would mean that you need a development environment, which not many translators have[18:51:50] <kirilla> I don't think we want to grant commit access to the source repo from a 3'rd party box, even if we trust it[18:51:50] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[18:51:50] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[18:51:50] *** curlyman has quit IRC[18:51:50] *** margiolas has quit IRC[18:51:50] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[18:51:50] <Kokito> of course not[18:51:50] <kirilla> Kokito: you misunderstand me[18:51:50] *** _Vampyre is now known as Vampyre[18:51:50] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[18:51:50] <Kokito> HTA = Haiku Translation Assistant[18:51:50] <Kokito> could be kirilla :)[18:51:50] <Kokito> caffeine has not kicked in yet :)[18:51:50] <kirilla> Kokito: I mean that translators use the HTA, HTA batches the translations, a committer uses a tool (preferrably Jam) to fetch these batches and test/build/commit[18:51:54] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:51:54] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[18:52:34] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[18:52:34] *** Stellar|2 has quit IRC[18:52:35] *** Advant- has quit IRC[18:52:35] *** mmadia has quit IRC[18:52:35] *** saivert has quit IRC[18:52:36] *** Auronandace has quit IRC[18:52:36] *** {V}_ has quit IRC[18:52:36] *** Sir_Gallantmon has quit IRC[18:52:36] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[18:52:38] <kirilla> Kokito: just some assistance in the tedious part, which I suspect is getting the translations from the HTA and applying these to one's source checkout and making sure they're included in every Jamfile[18:52:44] <Kokito> kirilla, I see. that's one way to do it[18:52:59] *** Disreali has quit IRC[18:53:20] *** Stellar|2 has joined #haiku[18:53:23] <kirilla> Kokito: how would you like for it to work?[18:53:31] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[18:53:46] <Kokito> kirilla, I would like to lower the burden on the devs[18:54:11] <Kokito> and give non-devs the opportunity to do some of the footwork form them, where possible[18:54:41] *** Sir_Gallantmon has joined #haiku[18:54:46] *** Dmitry2 has joined #haiku[18:55:02] <Kokito> since it is already possible to download patches from HTA, I figured it would be better for the translators to do that, so that all the devs would have to do is commit the patches[18:55:25] *** curlyman_ has joined #haiku[18:55:25] *** 18VAAMOYK has joined #haiku[18:55:25] *** Advant- has joined #haiku[18:55:25] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:55:25] *** saivert has joined #haiku[18:55:25] *** Auronandace has joined #haiku[18:55:29] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[18:55:38] <Kokito> you do raise a good question, though: there would be no testing in my scenario, so I don't know if it is viable[18:55:38] *** 18VAAMOYK has quit IRC[18:55:39] *** {V}_ has joined #haiku[18:55:52] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[18:56:02] <kirilla> It's much better for a committer to pull all relevant patches from the HTA directly than to have these indirectly from multiple persons, even if there's one for each language[18:56:18] *** Advant- has quit IRC[18:56:18] *** Auronandace has quit IRC[18:56:58] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[18:56:58] *** pfoetche1 has quit IRC[18:56:58] *** chris_ has quit IRC[18:56:59] *** _Qeos_ has quit IRC[18:56:59] *** chronoz has quit IRC[18:57:05] *** drano_ has joined #haiku[18:57:13] <kirilla> there's little a non-developer can do to help with patching and committing[18:57:14] *** NeonLich1 has joined #haiku[18:57:20] *** leszek has quit IRC[18:57:32] <kirilla> and this could be automated with a little effort[18:57:36] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[18:57:36] *** ragcsi has quit IRC[18:57:36] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[18:57:37] *** Dmitry2 is now known as DmitryM[18:57:37] *** drano has quit IRC[18:57:37] *** ragcsi has joined #haiku[18:57:42] *** Auronandace has joined #haiku[18:57:58] *** tic has joined #haiku[18:58:10] *** Advant has joined #haiku[18:59:24] <kirilla> it would be nice if the HTA could also patch Jamfiles to include fresh catalogs.. first time a language is added to a Jam target[19:11:22] *** echelog has joined #haiku[19:11:30] <kirilla> Is there no support for managers and signing off work yet?[19:11:35] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[19:11:54] <Kokito> the ability to approve translations is there; there is no defined workfowl though[19:12:06] *** nopper has joined #haiku[19:12:21] <Kokito> and HTA is too open, in the sense that anyone can approve a translation, which does not make sense from a QA point of view[19:12:23] *** ragcsee has joined #haiku[19:12:28] <kirilla> true[19:12:43] <Xeon3D> indeed.[19:12:53] <Kokito> so, there are loose ends here and there that need to be addressed[19:12:53] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[19:13:01] *** jsmaniac has quit IRC[19:13:07] <Kokito> both system-wise as well as workflow wise[19:13:35] <kirilla> improvement opportunity :)[19:13:36] <Xeon3D> True. Is there any guide for people who are making the apps themselves "localizable" ?[19:14:05] <Anarchos> how can i put the revision number in my BApplication object ? I thought to a file attribute[19:14:10] *** Auronandace has quit IRC[19:14:25] <kirilla> Xeon3D: I think there's an article on it[19:14:27] *** Ingenu_ has joined #haiku[19:14:35] <Kokito> Xeon3D, IIRC there are a couple of articles, but they are kind of "lost" in the website[19:14:39] *** dakdagi2 has joined #haiku[19:14:51] <kirilla> Xeon3D: we might want to improve that[19:15:24] <kirilla> most devs are aware of the worst pitfalls[19:15:54] <Xeon3D> Having to translate "File" and "File:" and File" again in the same app is not fun.[19:16:34] <Xeon3D> Why do people include the punctuation marks on the translations?[19:16:37] <Kokito> Xeon3D, actually, HTA will recommend the translation of common terms, so it's not that bad at all[19:16:43] <kirilla> sometimes it takes time to rework the existing code so that it doesn't impose structure, or whitespace etc on translations[19:16:55] <Kokito> Xeon3D, because punctuation is not the same in every language[19:17:13] <Xeon3D> That... kinda sucks.[19:17:15] <Xeon3D> TBH[19:17:37] <Xeon3D> Make a setting like "Normal language punctuation" and "Abnormal one" ?[19:17:39] <Kokito> kirilla, that´s true[19:17:41] *** arun_ has quit IRC[19:17:42] <Ingenu_> yep[19:18:01] <Kokito> Xeon3D, the "abnormal" label may piss some people :P[19:18:02] <Ingenu_> in french it's "Fichier :"[19:18:14] *** arun_ has joined #haiku[19:18:14] *** arun_ has joined #haiku[19:18:16] <Ingenu_> in english "File:"[19:18:20] *** Auronandace has joined #haiku[19:18:20] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[19:18:20] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[19:18:20] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:18:20] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[19:18:20] *** McBersaas has joined #haiku[19:18:20] *** Zet has joined #haiku[19:18:24] <Ingenu_> slightly different rules[19:18:27] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:18:27] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[19:18:36] <kirilla> I don't like ":" much[19:18:52] <kirilla> typewriter style IMO[19:18:55] <Ingenu> just like we put a space before any mark[19:18:59] * Kokito nods[19:19:02] <Ingenu> " ?"[19:19:03] <Xeon3D> I'm sorry if I look like i'm ranting, but between the triplicates (sometimes, whole 5 line sentences!!!), The improper source wording and the lack of notification on when new phrases come up... i'm getting fed up.[19:19:06] <Ingenu> " !"[19:19:10] <Anarchos> Ingenu did you mean "Fichier : " with a short space before and normal after ? It would be in the faire rules of typography ;)[19:19:16] <kirilla> what? :)) I had no idea French was like that[19:19:36] <Kokito> I always wondered why semicolos are used for field labels[19:19:39] <Anarchos> kirilla good french typography is like that...[19:19:41] *** david2 has joined #haiku[19:19:53] <Ingenu> " : "[19:19:55] <Ingenu> I think[19:20:11] <Kokito> Xeon3D, you need to voice your concerns (in a nice way), so that the system can be improved[19:20:15] <Ingenu> I never use anything smaller than space anyway[19:20:29] <Xeon3D> My gripes are not with the system per se.[19:20:36] <Ingenu> ah yeah[19:20:51] <Xeon3D> HTA worked fine for me (ever since the 4rd or 5th version of it)[19:20:55] <Ingenu> like numbers "3.14" for uk but "3,14" in fr[19:21:17] <Xeon3D> The work before it gets there (on HTA) gets on my nerves the most.[19:21:28] <Anarchos> Ingenu computer science is diminishing the average typography level of documents, i find it sad[19:21:28] *** jvff has joined #haiku[19:21:34] <jvff> Hi =)[19:21:40] <Xeon3D> Some apps treat people in an informal way, some others don't...[19:21:54] <Kokito> Xeon3D, lack of consistency?[19:22:00] <Xeon3D> Indeed.[19:22:04] <kirilla> hello jvff[19:22:11] <Ingenu> Anarchos: I'm not sure, for web pages, I say yes[19:22:21] <Kokito> well, that too needs to be reported Xeon3D[19:22:22] <jvff> Quick question: Does the Haiku BFS implementation support journaling?[19:22:29] <Xeon3D> Why don't people just go with the normal way of things?[19:22:30] <kirilla> jvff: yes[19:22:30] <Ingenu> yes[19:22:36] <jvff> Thanks =)[19:22:43] <kirilla> np![19:22:44] <Anarchos> Ingenu think to M$ word :)[19:22:48] <Anarchos> and compare to latex...[19:22:54] <Kokito> when I find something strange in the English while translating an app, I post a bug report in Trac[19:22:56] <Xeon3D> Why label an "accepting button" "Alrighty" instead of the good plain old "OK" ?[19:23:00] <Ingenu> I like Word 07[19:23:10] <Ingenu> what's wrong with it ?[19:23:22] <Kokito> Xeon3D, good point. file a bug report :)[19:23:24] <kirilla> Xeon3D: because OK is so boring[19:23:38] <Ingenu> "Oki Doki"[19:23:40] <Ingenu> bettah[19:23:40] <Xeon3D> OK is a standard.[19:23:48] <Ingenu> or "yo"[19:23:55] <Ingenu> ^^[19:23:59] <Xeon3D> standards exist for a reason, but you're joking, i get that.[19:24:09] <Ingenu> yep[19:24:09] <kirilla> could just as well say "Get out of my face" :}[19:24:14] <Kokito> kirilla, the problem is that sometimes this kind of humor is hard to translate[19:24:17] <Ingenu> lol[19:24:20] <Ingenu> so true[19:24:26] <kirilla> Kokito: yeah, I know :P[19:24:30] <Ingenu> in most cases there are too many clicks[19:24:36] <Xeon3D> Doesn't even need to be humour, to be hard to translate.[19:24:44] <Kokito> Xeon3D, in such cases, we take the liberty of translating it the way we want[19:24:48] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[19:25:16] <Xeon3D> Still... imho it's only making haiku feel like a kiddy os.[19:25:22] <Kokito> there are some messages in Haiku that apologize. We find this kind of stupid, so we simply don't include the apology part of the message in the translation.[19:25:38] <kirilla> heh[19:25:44] <Xeon3D> yes, that's another thing.[19:26:01] <Xeon3D> Sometimes the "messages" come as if they're spoken from a person...[19:26:04] <Xeon3D> spooky[19:26:15] <kirilla> I'd find a few insults refreshing, but that's probably a no-no :))[19:26:22] <Kokito> like the "Big deal" message that we recently found in one of the apps (don´t remember which one)[19:26:26] *** _martinhpedersen has joined #haiku[19:26:57] *** martinhpedersen has quit IRC[19:27:02] *** _martinhpedersen is now known as martinhpedersen[19:27:06] <Xeon3D> Yup, that one is easily translatable to the language i'm doing, but still looks preety much stupid/childish imho.[19:27:11] <kirilla> perhaps WebPositive could include some nice insults when Facebook fails to load[19:27:32] <Kokito> Xeon3D, in general, I think the translators who know their target language and culture should have certain latitude to adapt the language within reason[19:28:09] <Kokito> Xeon3D, if it sounds silly/stupid, replace it with something thaty makes sense[19:28:25] <Xeon3D> Thing is, I kinda like translating stuff correctly.[19:28:32] <Xeon3D> I hate to make up stuff.[19:28:58] <Xeon3D> And also, I don't use any apps in my native language... so i'll have to deal with the stupidities of en_EN or en_US.[19:29:02] <Anarchos> Ingenu word printed documents are not nice enough to print book and sell them ![19:29:18] <kirilla> Kokito: I agree that translators need to be given some amount of freedom[19:30:15] <Ingenu> oh[19:30:35] <kirilla> (I wish I knew more web programming.)[19:30:35] <Ingenu> I use it for my own stuff[19:30:40] <Ingenu> RPG rules[19:30:43] <Kokito> Xeon3D, I would not consider changing a button label from "Big deal" to "Close" if that fits better your language and/or cultural context to be incorrect or making stuff up.[19:30:43] <Ingenu> stories[19:30:45] <Ingenu> ..[19:30:53] <Ingenu> not publication[19:31:17] <Kokito> A good translator will use what feel more natural for the target audience of the translation[19:32:15] *** arun_ has quit IRC[19:32:18] <Xeon3D> Big deal translates to "Grande coisa" and it is has the same meaning.[19:32:37] <Xeon3D> do I find it OK? no.[19:32:45] <Kokito> "Grande cose" in Spanish would be meaningless[19:32:55] <Xeon3D> but i won't translate it to OK, since it's not "correct"[19:33:12] <Xeon3D> it also denotes a lack of professionalism.[19:33:15] <Xeon3D> imho.[19:33:21] <Kokito> I agree[19:33:24] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:33:47] <Kokito> that's what some Spanish and Japanese translators have pointed out to me too[19:34:03] <Kokito> anyway guys, I gotta go. bbl (maybe)[19:34:10] <Xeon3D> I'm glad i'm not the only one.[19:34:15] <Xeon3D> DriveSetup for example[19:34:35] <Xeon3D> has (at least) 2x the sentence : "Are you sure you want to initialize the selected partition? After entering the initialization parameters, you can abort this operation right before writing changes back to the disk."[19:34:44] <Xeon3D> Bloat.[19:34:55] <Xeon3D> it is the exact same sentence.[19:35:05] <Xeon3D> save a few bytes.[19:35:35] <kirilla> hehe[19:35:40] <Xeon3D> sorry, i meant "Are you sure you want to write the changes back to disk now?\n\nAll data on the selected disk will be irretrievably lost if you do so!"[19:35:53] <kirilla> Xeon3D: how many times do you say that same or a similar thing?[19:36:47] *** Xeon4D has joined #haiku[19:36:53] <Xeon4D> soz[19:37:00] <Xeon4D> the connection droped.[19:37:03] <Xeon4D> *dropped.[19:37:22] <kirilla> I think it's optimizing the wrong thing, trying to reduce the number of messages by consolidating similar ones[19:37:44] <Xeon4D> Well, if they're similar, then no. Don't consolidate them.[19:37:54] <Xeon4D> If they're the same... that's a different story.[19:38:07] <kirilla> sometimes formatting carries meaning[19:38:25] <kirilla> sometimes it's necessary to harmonize (fit well) with the surrounding graphics[19:38:37] *** Dmitry2 has joined #haiku[19:38:37] <Xeon4D> And if I was using DriveSetup and that sentence popped up, i'd be expecting a "Told ya, you srsly f***** up on that one!" after.[19:38:44] <kirilla> you may of course be right[19:38:52] <Xeon4D> The sentences are identical.[19:39:08] <kirilla> if they are they should be the same entry, I grant you that[19:39:11] <Xeon4D> There is no harmonizing whatsoever going on, unless i'm misunderstanding you kirilla.[19:39:15] *** largo1 has joined #haiku[19:39:43] <kirilla> If it's in a BAlert it should just be one long string, with few/no linebreaks or addiontial/superflous whitespace[19:40:22] <Xeon4D> Do BAlert's (hoping that's the same as MessageBoxes are for Windows) wrap automagically?[19:40:22] <kirilla> I don't know about that case, except that I find DriveSetup to be too verboze.. to many alerts[19:40:28] <kirilla> they do[19:41:00] <kirilla> verbooze :P happens when some people drink[19:41:05] <Xeon4D> lol[19:41:08] <Xeon4D> *verbose.[19:41:18] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[19:41:18] *** largo has quit IRC[19:41:20] <kirilla> mm[19:41:28] <Xeon4D> I'm on a caffeinated all-nighter so mind me.[19:41:54] <Xeon4D> So if they wrap, there shouldn't be a need for formatting of any kind.[19:42:36] *** dakdagi2 has quit IRC[19:42:36] <kirilla> Xeon4D: line-breaks to separate logical sections (paragraphs?) are still necessary[19:42:52] <kirilla> as the BAlert only takes on string as entry[19:42:55] <kirilla> one string[19:43:04] <Xeon4D> Is there a need for a oversized BAlert?[19:43:24] <kirilla> so that's why it ends up as one long catalog entry with multiple sentences[19:43:32] <kirilla> oversized?[19:43:38] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[19:43:38] *** Dmitry2 is now known as DmitryM[19:43:43] <kirilla> it depends on what you wish to convey[19:43:46] *** AlexFera_ has joined #haiku[19:43:46] <kirilla> the message[19:44:04] <kirilla> clarity versus brevity[19:44:04] <Xeon4D> Message boxes (as with most of it) should be short and straight to the point[19:44:13] <kirilla> agreed[19:44:21] <Xeon4D> Need to explain more? put a button to a help section.[19:44:36] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[19:44:45] <kirilla> if there is a button left[19:44:46] <Xeon4D> which goes directly into more detail on what that messagebox (sorry habit) was trying to say.[19:44:47] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:45:10] <AlienSoldier> mmadia can we close our own ticket?[19:45:13] <Xeon4D> Example:[19:45:17] *** arun_ has joined #haiku[19:45:18] <mmadia> AlienSoldier : should be able to.[19:45:28] <Xeon4D> "Your HD just went cuccos"[19:45:28] <Xeon4D> [OK] [Help][19:45:30] <Xeon4D> not[19:46:15] <kirilla> It would be nice to have a BAlertWithExtraFoo that would allow showing/hiding some additional info[19:46:16] *** Dmitry2 has joined #haiku[19:46:30] <AlienSoldier> mmadia because i don't see any option to do so in the interface[19:46:36] <Xeon4D> "Your disk device or hard drive suddently has failed to respond to a "#$REW command and by then we couldn't be able to access that bit of data which ended up corrupting most of your HD. We're really really sorry, if you don't post this bug, i'll promess i'll try and make it work mmmmkay?"[19:46:36] <kirilla> via link perhaps, or a twister or switch-thing[19:46:39] <AlienSoldier> yes i am loged[19:47:24] <Xeon4D> That or a system-wide setting that enabled extra "debugging/helpful" messages.[19:47:37] <Xeon4D> The average joe won't know what to do with most of them.[19:47:57] *** dakdagi2 has joined #haiku[19:48:01] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[19:48:04] <Xeon4D> Or standard error codes...[19:48:16][19:48:30] *** DmitryM has quit IRC[19:48:30] *** Dmitry2 is now known as DmitryM[19:48:36] <stpere_> illegal operation[19:49:08] <Xeon4D> I meant something to the likes of: "Error 342: Small message about error"[19:49:21] <stpere_> ah[19:49:22] <kirilla> we try, Xeon4D, but properly communication all possible errors to the user is developer-time-consuming and bloats the code[19:49:22] <stpere_> :)[19:49:54] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:51:18] <Xeon4D> Kirilla, what did BeOS do?[19:51:36] <Xeon4D> (never did encount much errors with it so...)[19:51:43] <Xeon4D> What was the BeOS way of approaching errors?[19:52:10] <mmadia> AlienSoldier: correction, most likely not.[19:52:26] <Anarchos> On Haiku, opening BeOS R5 FileTypes result in " Could not open "FileTypes" (Missing symbol: B_FILE_EXTENSIONS_ENTRY)"[19:52:38] <kirilla> Xeon4D: there's a system facility to translate the system's error codes (function/method return values, often known as status).. to a string that might be meaningful to a human who knows a little something about computers[19:52:48] <AlienSoldier> mmadia "Also, the user must have TICKET_MODIFY permissions."[19:53:04] <AlienSoldier> so i guess i will just comment on it with a please close comment[19:53:06] <mmadia> Anarchos : what type of Haiku? gcc2, gcc4 .... ?[19:53:54] <Xeon4D> Well, there's a nice phrase for me to pickup.[19:54:00] <kirilla> Xeon4D: which might say that an operation failed because of lack of memory or file permission / access denied.. stuff like that[19:54:16] <Anarchos> mmadia gcc2 hybrid[19:54:35] *** tesuki has joined #haiku[19:54:39] <Xeon4D> So I'd guess to go with the same as BeOS did.[19:54:40] <kirilla> Xeon4D: pretty much every line of code has the potential to fail, which needs more lines written to deal with this potential failure[19:54:58] <Xeon4D> anyway[19:55:06] <Anarchos> mmadia i try to make an rsrc file for an app, with a revision number in it[19:55:06] <Xeon4D> going back to our initial subject[19:55:10] <Xeon4D> Could not open "FileTypes" <-[19:55:18] <Xeon4D> What could not open "FileTypes" ?[19:55:23] <kirilla> Xeon4D: ultimately, running out of memory is the ultimate error cause which makes pretty much anyything fail[19:56:20] <Xeon4D> is it (I) could not open "FileTypes"? he (whatever is responsible for it) could not open "FileTypes" ? it (the program) could not open "FileTypes"?[19:56:43] <Xeon4D> While in English that won't make much of a fuss, it does in other languages.[19:56:45] <mmadia> Anarchos : can you /newticket that?[19:56:46] <Anarchos> Xeon4D i tried to open it with Tracker[19:56:55] <Anarchos> mmadia well i am not to the latest rev[19:57:09] <Anarchos> mmadia r35923[19:57:14] <Xeon4D> Anarchos: Yes, I figured. :) I'm not speaking about the solution, but the phrasing per se. Sorry.[19:57:19] <mmadia> i see it on 35920-2hybrid too.[19:57:59] <kirilla> Xeon4D: in that particular case it would be either "The system" or "Tracker"[19:58:11] *** raichoo has quit IRC[19:58:12] <Xeon4D> Wouldn't it be better to phrase it like "An error has ocurred while trying to open "FileTypes"" ?[19:58:23] <kirilla> very vague[19:58:33] <kirilla> but sure[19:58:47] <Xeon4D> vaguer than "Could not open "FileTypes"?[19:58:52] <kirilla> granted[19:59:19] <Xeon4D> And that sentence easily translates to "Ocorreu um erro ao tentar abrir "FileTypes" ?[19:59:25] <Xeon4D> mind that last ?[19:59:31] <kirilla> I suppose the translator must decided for his/her language.[19:59:48] <Xeon4D> But it looks better/more professional even in english.[19:59:58] <mmadia> but that abstract error message doesn't help the developer.[20:00:06] <Xeon4D> Neither one of them do.[20:00:15] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[20:00:17] <Xeon4D> They're about as vague as one another.[20:00:17] <mmadia> " Could not open "FileTypes" (Missing symbol: B_FILE_EXTENSIONS_ENTRY)"[20:00:23] <mmadia> that one does.[20:00:34] <Xeon4D> Yes, I ommited the reason on purpose"[20:00:37] <kirilla> Xeon4D: I agree that the message given when failing to load apps is badly phrased[20:00:53] <Xeon4D> I was speaking as if both of them had that attached to the end.[20:00:59] <mmadia> ooh.[20:01:04] <Xeon4D> Both are helpful, one is more properly phrased.[20:01:20] <Xeon4D> (and easier to translate as well)[20:01:53] <Xeon4D> "2 birds with one stone" is it?[20:02:05] <kirilla> some language might find it unnatural to not have someone/something to blame for the error that occurred.. ;)[20:02:31] <Xeon4D> Everyone blames the computer\programmers for errors :)[20:02:50] <kirilla> ah well :) here's hoping a general ML for translation is created[20:03:02] <kirilla> so we can hash out these things[20:03:09] <Xeon4D> So do I.[20:03:24] <kirilla> IRC has a tendency to not lead anywhere, sadly, unless we take things to the "proper" channels[20:03:27] <Xeon4D> I think I'll put translating haiku in a pause until there.[20:03:43] <Xeon4D> *then.[20:03:44] <stpere_> so.. #haiku-locals ?[20:04:05] <mmadia> haiku-i18n-general ?[20:04:05] <kirilla> I think that would be "haiku-locales"[20:04:11] <stpere_> ah yeah[20:04:40] <kirilla> haiku-trans?[20:04:59] <kirilla> haiku-translation maybe[20:05:09] <stpere_> :)[20:05:18] <Xeon4D> and here I was thinking I should drop the caffeine and go to bed[20:05:21] <kirilla> europe-express :P[20:05:27] <Xeon4D> I read that immediatly as Haiku-trannies.[20:05:47] <kirilla> yeah, sure, we need a place for that too[20:05:50] <Xeon4D> glad I was not the only one :)[20:06:15] <mmadia> there are already some haiku-i18n-* mailing lists for each languag, so [haiku-i18n] or [haiku-i18n-general] seems fitting with the existing trend.[20:06:51] <kirilla> i-somenumber-I-forget-what-or-why-n :P[20:07:08] <kirilla> nerds[20:07:09] <mmadia> iirc its the number of letters in internationalization[20:07:20] <kirilla> ;P[20:07:22] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[20:07:50][20:07:51] <mmadia> congrats AlienSoldier[20:07:55] <kirilla> (nerds with dyslexia)[20:08:07] <AlienSoldier> mmadia saw my comment?[20:08:10] <AlienSoldier> already?[20:08:24] <stpere_> what where?[20:08:33] <kirilla> someone's gonna give me grief over this ':][20:09:01] <Anarchos> mmadia i am filing the trac for FileTypes 5659[20:09:06] <Xeon4D> I won't :D[20:10:10] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[20:10:19] <Xeon4D> Question of the day: What do you do on the first day of your two-week holiday?[20:10:24] <vooshy> AlienSoldier: comment?[20:10:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:10:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:10:55] <kirilla> Xeon4D: argue on IRC![20:10:59] <vooshy> Xeon4D: Plan Day Two :)[20:11:15] <kirilla> which naturally would be, arguing on iRC![20:11:15] <AlienSoldier> vooshy just wondering why i got congrat, i suppose it's because i solved one of my ticket[20:11:36] <Xeon4D> kirilla: yeah, after you've translated all there was to translate in HTA.[20:11:44] <Xeon4D> at least that's what I did :P[20:11:47] <stpere_> AlienSoldier: congrats then :)[20:12:12] <kirilla> :)[20:12:13] <vooshy> AlienSoldier: maybe you were promoted to AlienGeneral ?[20:12:46] <Xeon4D> There should be an AlienSargent in between those two no? :>[20:13:01] <mmadia> yeah, he can boot haiku again. that's always cause for celebration[20:13:06] <AlienSoldier> stpere_ thank you :), i can abuse haiku again now, found some bugs in webpositive so iguess it will be report time on this now[20:13:17] <kirilla> bbl[20:13:19] *** kirilla has quit IRC[20:13:21] <AlienSoldier> i would prefer AlienCommodore[20:13:45] <Xeon4D> as in AlienAmiga or in AlienC[64|128] ?[20:14:20] <AlienSoldier> AlienC as in Super Contra perhaps[20:14:20] <Xeon4D> btw I just downloaded the latest Amiga ToSec[20:14:37] <Xeon4D> it's gonna be some awesome holidays I tell ya :)[20:15:05] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:15:07] <AlienSoldier> you can literally take a trip in the past by browsing ToSec stuff[20:15:14] <Xeon4D> good ol' Amiga and C64 Chiptunes blasting around here.[20:19:50] *** stpere_ is now known as stpere[20:20:09] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:21:33] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:26:04] *** dev29aug has quit IRC[20:27:32] *** dakdagi2 has quit IRC[20:28:22] <CIA-45> mmu_man * r35988 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ports/pc_serial/Driver.cpp: Hmm, ignoremask is an *ignore* mask :D[20:32:15] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:35:12] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:37:56] *** DmitryM_ has quit IRC[20:39:44] *** adams has joined #haiku[20:41:01] <mmadia> hi adams, did you submit the patch for Pairs?[20:41:43] *** dakdagi2 has joined #haiku[20:42:05] <adams> yeah[20:42:10] <adams> is it ok?[20:42:48] <mmadia> well..i don't speak c/c++ very well. but one small thing, it's best to create patches from the top-level directory.[20:43:23] <mmadia> it makes it much easier for the devs to apply it. this page mentions how to do that : http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches[20:46:30] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[20:50:02] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[20:50:04] *** dakdagi2 has quit IRC[20:53:20] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[20:55:44] <adams> okay, fixed. sorry about that.[20:58:49] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[21:03:28] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:10:04] *** largo1 has quit IRC[21:10:24] *** kitallis has quit IRC[21:10:39] <CIA-45> mmu_man * r35989 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/tty/tty.cpp: Fix tracing code.[21:11:08] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[21:12:03] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[21:12:03] *** Colin_Finck|lap has joined #haiku[21:13:36] <CIA-45> mmu_man * r35990 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/add-ons/kernel/drivers/tty/ (Jamfile tty-test.cpp):[21:13:36] <CIA-45> Fix build.[21:13:36] <CIA-45> Add test for ioctl(FIONREAD). Doesn't work much yet though.[21:15:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:16:19] *** DmitryM_ has joined #haiku[21:17:20] <Anarchos> i get some unhandled page fault , how can i help to debug them ?[21:18:53] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs[21:33:34] *** david2 has quit IRC[21:33:45] *** jarz has quit IRC[21:35:24] *** largo has joined #haiku[21:38:28] *** rohit123 has quit IRC[21:44:23] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[21:44:30] <CyberKitsune> Hey all[21:44:37] <CyberKitsune> where is the WiFi config script?[21:45:05] <mmadia> .... the config script?[21:45:08] <CyberKitsune> er[21:45:09] *** Colin_Finck|lap has quit IRC[21:45:19] <CyberKitsune> isn't there a script that I can use to change which network I'm on?[21:45:52] <mmadia> maybe wlanconfig, which isn't in the images.... i'm not even sure how well it works.[21:46:06] <Anarchos> what is the syntax of rdef files to add a version ?[21:46:29] <ragcsee> it kinda works...sometimes :p[21:46:46] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[21:47:10] <luroh> mmadia: setwep can do that, which reminds me...[21:47:13] <jmayfield> huh?[21:47:17] <luroh> DraX: ping[21:47:32] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[21:48:22] *** 50UAAHM89 has quit IRC[21:48:26] *** CyberKitsune has joined #haiku[21:48:30] <mmadia> luroh : the current builder script : http://haiku.pastebin.com/2BPNicZ0[21:48:58] <luroh> ah, thanks[21:49:07] *** jarz has joined #haiku[21:49:53] <CyberKitsune> Okay that worked[21:50:09] <CyberKitsune> so, I finally got sound to work via OSS and not native HDA[21:50:23] <CyberKitsune> As I thought, it was where it was outputting[21:50:37] <luroh> mmadia: i want to get his ok before promoting setwep for any kind of inclusion[21:50:52] *** javaff has joined #haiku[21:51:04] <CyberKitsune> It needs to be output channel 2 (raw) on Center/LFE mode or it won't work =/ Which the native HDA driver doesn't have the option to set.[21:51:20] <luroh> i also want to ask him about what license it's under[21:51:25] <mmadia> CyberKitsune : want to file dev.haiku-os.org/newticket for that?[21:51:40] * mmadia nods[21:51:47] <CyberKitsune> sure... not sure what to say though, I never made a ticket befoe[21:51:53] <CyberKitsune> before*[21:52:11] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/ReportingBugs will mention some things to include.[21:54:01] *** jvff has quit IRC[21:58:25] *** CyberKitsune has quit IRC[22:01:45] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:01:59] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:13:45] <Anarchos> where can i find the rc documentation ?[22:14:13] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:14:19] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[22:14:56] <mmadia> Anarchos , try www.haiku-os.org "compile rdef"[22:15:50] <Anarchos> it refers to an in deepth documentation[22:20:55] <Anarchos> i got it, there is a doc/ folder in the source[22:29:06] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:32:04] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:33:31] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:34:06] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[22:34:07] <bbjimmy> how does one mount a netfs share?[22:35:26] <bbjimmy> I have the servwer running, the share identified, the user name and password. now I need to mount the share.[22:36:09] <mmadia> bbjimmy : [haiku-commits] r35172 check freelists.org/archive/haiku-commits[22:36:29] <bbjimmy> I see netfs_config but cannnot make out how to use it.[22:37:39] <bbjimmy> This is the userlandfs netfs add on?[22:38:01] *** OlaHughson is now known as LinaInverse[22:38:03] <mmadia> dunno, i haven't tested it.[22:38:24] <Anarchos> how to deal with a 64*64 icon ?[22:38:52] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[22:40:09] *** l_n has quit IRC[22:41:59] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[22:44:07] *** david2 has joined #haiku[22:45:11] *** Kroki has quit IRC[22:45:20] *** helf has quit IRC[22:45:23] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[22:47:44] *** jarz has quit IRC[22:48:59] *** helf has joined #haiku[22:49:01] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:51:02] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:52:09] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:52:18] *** jarz has joined #haiku[22:54:22] *** Ingenu 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