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[00:07:07] <MadEchidna> aw I missed begasus
[00:08:38] <largo> damnit... I was trying to delete a draft message and it got sent! :'( !!!
[00:08:44] <largo> is there anyway I can remove it?
[00:08:52] <largo> I seriously didn't mean to send that to the list. :(
[00:09:11] <stpere> too late
[00:09:20] <largo> blah. I'm just going to unsubscribe.
[00:09:47] <largo> I don't feel like watching any more childish retards sniping at me after the fact.
[00:09:51] <largo> brb.
[00:10:34] <largo> problem solved.
[00:10:37] <largo> *sigh*
[00:10:57] <Vooshy> largo: stop sighing your making me tired :)
[00:11:38] <largo> sorry... just upset. I don't back down from arguments... and since the children aren't going to stop being children, I need to just remove myself from the situation.  which I did. I unsubscribed from the haiku list.
[00:12:24] <aldeck> if you really didn't want to send that, you could also have sent a mail saying you're sorry :/
[00:12:24] <Vooshy> nevermind, religion is religion, and small minded people will always exist
[00:12:42] <largo> aldeck: oh I meant what I said... I just didn't mean for it to go to the list.
[00:12:58] <Vooshy> stick with irc, where people know you :)
[00:13:20] <aldeck> well, insulting people isn't tolerated here either
[00:13:26] <largo> yeah... I just didn't want to miss some of the interesting discussions like the GSoC ideas etc.
[00:13:39] <largo> aldeck: some people deserve to be insulted. :)
[00:13:51] <Vooshy> aldeck: neither is large discussions about religion
[00:13:58] <mmadia> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645  |  http://blip.tv/file/2444432  |  http://www.mattwoodward.com/blog/index.cfm?event=showEntry&entryId=68C06071-8977-43E4-9E36A8B17D644699
[00:14:51] <mmadia> those links should be mandatory before participating in mailing lists   and i wish more individuals watched & learned from them.
[00:15:14] <DraX> don't forget http://bikeshed.com/
[00:15:15] <largo> that seems aimed at me pretty clearly.
[00:15:26] <largo> I should just leave.
[00:15:45] <mmadia> no, you are one of several people who should watch those videos largo.
[00:16:26] <mmadia> the next time a similar thread comes up (by anyone), i'll mention it too ;)
[00:16:57] <largo> I don't think Europeans understand what a problem religion is in the US... and obviously religious people from the US like having the immunity to discuss it publicly... or the people who are apathetic and side with them against the people who have a problem with it because it hasn't yet affected them personally.
[00:17:16] <Vooshy> largo: i have no problem with you, the topic you posted on shouldnt be on haiku mailing list.
[00:17:19] <largo> so I'm trying to stay out of that thread... but I have a tendency to snap when I see people talking about it like that discussion on the mailing list.
[00:17:40] <largo> Vooshy: I just hated seeing "The Holy Bible" in my inbox every day on a Haiku mailing list.
[00:17:44] <largo> so I responded accordingly.
[00:17:55] <largo> it's like seeing emails from the KKK, or the Raelians etc.
[00:18:31] <aldeck> largo, you do realise it was referring to an  old book called the "beos bible" ?
[00:18:36] <mmadia> but those emails were not preaching their beliefs in any shape nor form.
[00:18:54] <largo> aldeck: no, it wasn't. please don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about.
[00:19:06] <aldeck> haha
[00:19:31] <Vooshy> largo: i felt the same, i dont sit here thinking about religion. i want to discuss operating systems, be, and the haiku project
[00:20:05] <largo> mmadia: they're a bunch of people promoting their delusion amongst each other on the mailing list. deluded mutual reassurance in the effort to bring their mythological bigotry to Haiku.
[00:20:21] <largo> anyway.... I'll be back later. sorry for irritating everyone.
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[00:20:58] <aldeck> heh, this guy is a carricature
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[00:21:41] <DraX> he's usually not actually, this particular topic seems to have really upset him
[00:21:48] <CIA-45> axeld * r35934 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/ (netinet/in.h netinet6/in6.h): * Added missing IPv6 defines based on a patch by Andreas F?\195?\131?\194?\164rber in bug #5608.
[00:22:15] <mmadia> but that should not excuse the behavior.
[00:22:23] <DraX> not saying it does
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[00:22:28] <OmniMancer1> yea he's like pathagenX and linux related software
[00:22:37] <luroh> well, as long as he doesn't make it a habit every time someone says jehova ;)
[00:22:46] <aldeck> well he's pretty intolerent even to other people that have nothing to do with the "discussion"
[00:22:58] <OmniMancer1> I say if you are going to be like that you are just as bad as the people you are complaining about so shut up and talk about OSs
[00:23:24] <OmniMancer1> now on the subject of OSs can haiku connect to unbroadcasted wireless networks?
[00:23:56] <aldeck> OmniMancer1: iirc that not implemented in wlanconfig
[00:24:16] <OmniMancer1> :(
[00:24:20] <OmniMancer1> :'(
[00:24:51] <Vooshy> OmniMancer1: not tried it, but it would be a good thing to implement in wlanconfig if not available.
[00:25:00] <OmniMancer1> well I tried it
[00:25:05] <OmniMancer1> and it did not seem to work
[00:25:15] <OmniMancer1> should check that windows can connect to it though :P
[00:25:31] <DraX> unannounced wifi networks is actually fishy from driver to driver
[00:26:23] <OmniMancer1> :(
[00:26:44] <OmniMancer1> so the hardware is incapable of you telling it, there is a thing with this name try to connect to it?
[00:28:16] <DraX> the hardware generally supports it, just drivers are fishy
[00:28:19] <DraX> with supporting it
[00:28:27] <DraX> i believe for example iwn(4) doesn't support it
[00:28:42] <Vooshy> driver/software issue, worth a trac ticket?
[00:29:19] <MadEchidna> <largo> blah. I'm just going to unsubscribe.
[00:29:44] <OmniMancer1> I have an intel PRO wireless 3945ABG
[00:29:46] <MadEchidna> or, you know, you could just shut up when people express even the most mild interest in religious texts
[00:29:55] <MadEchidna> that'd work too
[00:30:05] <OmniMancer1> MadEchidna: stop ranting it ruins things
[00:30:11] <MadEchidna> oh, hey's not even here
[00:30:15] <MadEchidna> I'm ranting about ranting :P
[00:30:17] <OmniMancer1> he left
[00:30:30] <OmniMancer1> stop ranting full stop it just goes in circles
[00:30:55] <Vooshy> MadEchidna: enough this is #haiku
[00:31:08] <MadEchidna> I'm not even saying anything
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[00:31:30] <OmniMancer1> now back to Haiku, how is the driver for the iPro3945?
[00:31:43] <MadEchidna> man my BCM needs some driver love
[00:31:56] <OmniMancer1> write a driver :D
[00:32:02] <MadEchidna> I wish
[00:32:07] <aldeck> OmniMancer1: works out of the box, the firmware is included in the image
[00:32:08] <DraX> well what you probably need is freebsd's new bwn
[00:32:09] <MadEchidna> I'm learning
[00:32:18] <DraX> but bwn isn't easily portable
[00:32:25] <DraX> i think i've explained this before ;)
[00:32:42] <OmniMancer1> aldeck: yes I know that since it works with a broadcast SSID but does the driver support unbroadcast SSIDs?
[00:32:55] <OmniMancer1> DraX: can the source of the bsd drivers be used to write haiku ones?
[00:33:09] <DraX> OmniMancer1: the freebsd drivers are almost directly portable
[00:33:20] <DraX> the whole wifi stack is a freebsd compatability layer
[00:33:32] <OmniMancer1> as in discerning how the driver talks to the hardware and writing a haiku native one?
[00:33:43] <DraX> why bother?
[00:33:45] <OmniMancer1> will haiku native ones be possible upon completion of the wifi stack?
[00:33:51] <DraX> i think so
[00:33:53] <aldeck> OmniMancer1: ah i see, but i'm not sure it depends on the driver
[00:34:07] <OmniMancer1> because the bsd ones don't do things like connect to unbroadcast networks?
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[00:34:20] <DraX> OmniMancer1: which you should fix in the bsd ones
[00:34:28] <DraX> OmniMancer1: instead of writing a new driver with even more issues
[00:34:31] <OmniMancer1> :P
[00:34:52] <OmniMancer1> is freebsd's driver model that close to haiku's?
[00:35:08] <DraX> there is specifically a compat layer for network drivers
[00:35:18] <DraX> i assume since network drivers have a pretty uniform api
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[00:35:38] <OmniMancer1> indeed
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[00:38:42] <OmniMancer1> but there are still some network driver APIs that would not be easy to do that for
[00:39:24] <AnEvilYak> DraX: it's more a matter of network drivers being very very simple structurally since they don't really have to do much more than read / write / indicate if data's waiting
[00:39:39] <AnEvilYak> which makes it relatively trivial to wrap them compared to say, graphics drivers or whatnot
[00:40:09] <OmniMancer1> ah
[00:40:23] <OmniMancer1> and in the case of wireless drivers they have some setup stuff too :P
[00:41:22] <DraX> go grab /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifieee80211.c from freebsd
[00:41:24] <DraX> and plug it into wlanconfig
[00:41:44] <DraX> then you'll have the full range of control over what your wifi driver is supposed to support
[00:42:08] <OmniMancer1> how do you "plug it into wlanconfig"?
[00:42:46] <DraX> with a text editor and a compiler
[00:43:00] <DraX> you might consult http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/setwep2.c
[00:43:05] <DraX> for a look at how to do it for one command
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[00:45:09] <OmniMancer1> so add an include for it?
[00:45:35] <DraX> you'll have to fiddle with it some
[00:45:41] <DraX> you can see the kind of fiddling you need to do
[00:45:50] <DraX> but you should be able to grab the other get/set functions mostly
[00:45:58] <OmniMancer1> ah
[00:46:14] <OmniMancer1> and then you can play with them in C?
[00:46:36] <DraX> well no you can wire them up to a cli tool
[00:46:50] <DraX> you could even define your own DEF_CMD macros
[00:46:56] <DraX> to make it more automatic
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[00:50:32] <Disreali_> greetings!!
[00:51:22] <Vooshy> Disreali_: hi
[00:51:43] <Vooshy> DraX: how's the aim protocol coming along?
[00:52:00] <DraX> Vooshy: it compiles, but doesn't work
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[00:52:13] <DraX> Vooshy: i need to add some print statements and figure out what's going on
[00:53:14] <DraX> took me the weekend to actually get it to compile
[00:53:20] <DraX> it doesn't help that i'm learning c++ as i go
[00:53:50] <Vooshy> DraX: I was conisdering having a look at writing an msn protocol for caya myself.
[00:54:17] <DraX> Vooshy: it's actually quite easy (i say before i do the debugging)
[00:54:35] <Vooshy> DraX: starting to look at the caya code, im no c++ expert either.
[00:56:34] <DraX> yeha just copy the GoogleTalk directory
[00:56:40] <DraX> and remove all the cruft
[00:56:40] <DraX> and go
[00:57:53] <Vooshy> DraX: if you need any help testing and im on irc feel free to bug me
[00:58:12] <DraX> once i get it vaguely working :)
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[00:59:03] <JonathanThompson> And sooner or later, you'll get it precisely working, DraX ? :)
[00:59:19] <JonathanThompson> DraX: what languages do you have past experience with?
[01:02:16] <DraX> JonathanThompson: python, java, javascript, a bit of c
[01:02:35] <DraX> and i've fiddled with a lot more
[01:02:52] <JonathanThompson> Well, then as long as you learned to catch in the debugger any array overruns and dangling pointers, you'll be fine.
[01:02:53] <DraX> but those are the ones i've done something substantial in recently
[01:07:34] <DraX> mostly i'm just getting my head around the fact that the compiler errors are mostly useless
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[01:17:11] <Disreali_> Haiku seems unstable lately. anyone else having trouble with that last couple nightlies?
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[01:18:48] <aldeck> Disreali: what kind of instabilities?
[01:18:55] <saivert> they are nightlies for a reason?? eh? what?
[01:19:08] <Kokito> Disreali_, running the latest rev here, and it seems to be OK
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[01:20:18] <Disreali> aldeck, the last several revs have been erroring into gdb a lot
[01:20:29] <aldeck> got lots of app_server crashes myself
[01:20:32] <Disreali> Kokito, which rev
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[01:20:59] <aldeck> Disreali: full (white) screen gdb?
[01:21:12] <Disreali> aldeck, yes
[01:21:20] <Kokito> Disreali, the latest rev in VM and 35895 in bare metal
[01:21:25] <OmniMancer> yay for app_server crashes :D
[01:21:32] <mmadia> does serial debugging catch anything  or syslog?
[01:21:58] <OmniMancer> also why is the app_server debugged with gdb, isn't it in the kernel?
[01:21:59] <mmadia> and what's the last 2~3lines in the  gdb output?
[01:22:00] <Disreali> Kokito, ok, I'll try that one
[01:22:23] <OmniMancer> or is app_server a userland process?
[01:22:47] <Kokito> Disreali, it's not a nightly from Haiku files, though; I build Haiku myself
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[01:23:05] <Disreali> ah
[01:29:53] <aldeck> OmniMancer: app_server is in userland
[01:36:31] <Disreali> is it just me, or does the comment line get hidden by the tan box on the right?  http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/35913
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[01:41:36] * OmniMancer wonders where that came from...
[01:41:55] <mmadia> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/The-Holy-Bible,34
[01:41:56] <OmniMancer> aldeck: so how does it communicate with the display driver?
[01:42:00] <OmniMancer> ah
[01:43:26] <OmniMancer> Disreali: get a bigger screen?
[01:43:40] <OmniMancer> which comment line?
[01:43:47] <OmniMancer> you mean message?
[01:43:56] <OmniMancer> if so then for me it never reaches the box
[01:44:21] <Disreali> yes message line
[01:44:47] <OmniMancer> it does however not get wrapped when the window is made smaller
[01:44:58] <OmniMancer> so that is probably a problem with trac?
[01:45:09] <helf|laptop> LOL
[01:45:09] <helf|laptop> omg
[01:45:13] <Disreali> one some checkins the message lines go behind the box, and some don't
[01:45:17] <helf|laptop> just turned my new cse fan on for the first time
[01:45:19] <mmadia> i don't think Trac forces newlines.
[01:45:22] <helf|laptop> its like having a leaf blower in your face
[01:45:49] <helf|laptop> mmadia, if i dont get a 5ghz air overclock with this fan and the megahalems, I never will
[01:46:11] <stpere> lol
[01:46:12] <mmadia> heh.
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[01:52:23] <OmniMancer> that thing should be wrapped if it overlaps things?
[01:52:53] <largo> Disreali: what exactly do you mean?
[01:53:11] <largo> Disreali: I'm looking at the link you gave and I don't see the comment line being hidden.... maybe I need to lower my window size...
[01:53:30] <mmadia> OmniMancer : like if the committer ignores 80char/line in the commit message, i don't think Trac will automaticall wrap the text.
[01:53:36] <largo> Disreali: ah, I see it now.. yes.... at lower window sizes the box goes over the comment.
[01:54:04] <OmniMancer> :/
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[01:54:15] <OmniMancer> mmadia: its more that the message line should wrap
[01:54:22] <largo> the comment area should have a right margin set to the width of that floated box.
[01:54:35] <largo> (is my guess, not having looked at the code to see how it's actually written)
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[01:56:02] <MadEchidna_> well, this is odd
[01:56:13] <MadEchidna_> I installed haiku GCC4 and the decors still don't work
[01:56:59] <largo> unfortunately the comment box has the text set to "pre", which ignores the margin... :( so a right margin still doesn't fix it...
[01:57:06] * largo looks at a proper fix.
[01:57:45] <largo> (as a web developer I can actually help. yay!) ;)
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[02:01:27] <helf|laptop> mmadia, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKWRkEe-cYA&feature=player_embedded :D
[02:01:32] <helf|laptop> pardon the crappy quality :(
[02:01:38] <helf|laptop> cant find my decent cams charger
[02:02:16] <largo> http://www.longren.org/2006/09/27/wrapping-text-inside-pre-tags/
[02:02:23] <largo> that's a start...
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[02:02:34] <largo> stepping out for a smoke, brb.
[02:03:06] <saivert> do not smoke
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[02:11:41] <largo> saivert: generally I don't, but I'm more prone to when stressed and drinking, and I've had a few beers. ;) (and since my gf smokes, they're always sitting there tempting me in such cases)
[02:12:06] <helf|laptop> dump her!
[02:12:09] <helf|laptop> bad influence!
[02:12:09] <helf|laptop> :D
[02:13:17] <Disreali> helf|laptop, damn! that sucker is loud
[02:13:32] <helf|laptop> WHAAT?
[02:13:38] <helf|laptop> yes, yes it is.
[02:14:02] <helf|laptop> i *might* put the machine in the closet and run video/keyboard/mouse externders :p
[02:14:06] <helf|laptop> *extenders
[02:14:20] <mmadia> you might be able to undervolt it and still get tremendous CFM
[02:14:45] <helf|laptop> yeah
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[02:14:54] <helf|laptop> im probably going to put a fan controller on it and see how it does
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[02:16:37] <largo> helf|laptop: wow... that is really loud. :(
[02:16:46] * largo just looked at the video
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[02:17:06] <AlienSoldier> helf|laptop are you building an overcraft?
[02:17:15] <largo> I was considering looking at liquid cooling, but it's rather expensive and complicated.
[02:17:58] <MadEchidna_> I'm working on building haiku on haiku atm
[02:18:05] <MadEchidna_> never compiled a whole OS before :P
[02:19:02] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, lol, probably could with these
[02:19:08] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, or a fan propelled boat
[02:21:04] <CIA-45> scottmc * r665 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/lcms/lcms-1.19.OptionalPackageDescription: Initial .OptionalPackageDescription file for lcms.
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[02:40:55] <OmniMancer> helf|laptop: what fan is this?
[02:41:28] <Disreali> bummer, Installer froze my vn
[02:43:03] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, its a delta DFP1212
[02:43:15] <helf|laptop> going on the cpu cooler in my new tower once i buy a few more parts
[02:44:09] <largo> who takes care of the trac code?
[02:44:21] <mmadia> nielx maintains patches for it
[02:44:45] <mmadia> but the official site is http://trac.edgewall.org/
[02:44:55] <largo> so if I write up some small css fixes for the trac issue we were talking about I should send it there?
[02:45:31] <mmadia> eh, you could file /newticket with component website : trac
[02:46:29] <largo> gotcha.
[02:47:02] <largo> ugh. I hate when my girlfriends girl friends write me on facebook asking "can you hack my ex boyfriend's account?"
[02:47:05] <largo> *sigh* :(
[02:47:32] <largo> (my girlfriend is 12 years younger than me... so some of her friends are... shall we say, immature?)
[02:48:34] <Kokito> mmadia, fyi: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/scheme_world_dominationi_mean_fundraising#comment-14656
[02:49:03] <Kokito> largo, I hope you are not 18 years old :P
[02:49:26] <largo> Kokito: I'm 36.
[02:49:53] <Kokito> you are a kid :)
[02:50:03] <Kokito> just kidding :)
[02:50:03] <largo> relatively speaking. ;)
[02:50:15] <Kokito> yes, everything is relative
[02:51:48] <Disreali> largo, you patching the comment line being hidden?
[02:54:03] <largo> Disreali: yes.
[02:55:24] <Disreali> coo
[02:55:27] <Disreali> l
[02:56:26] <MadEchidna_> kitallis I still don't get how to compile decors
[02:56:35] <MadEchidna_> I just did the svn checkout and I'm getting ready to configure
[02:56:46] <MadEchidna_> woops wrong person
[02:57:28] <MadEchidna_> any ideas mmadia?
[03:05:44] * Kokito wonders why the changeset message is enclosed between <pre> tags
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[03:08:44] <largo> Kokito: I can only assume that they assume that code or formatted text might be included in the comment itself.
[03:09:37] <largo> Kokito: or perhaps it's the easy way to take the input comment as input and display it again as input without having to bother formatting it with html?
[03:09:48] * largo really has no idea how it works.
[03:09:50] <Kokito> no clue...
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[03:10:37] <Kokito> the problem is that I don't think it is possible to word wrap text between <pre> tags
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[03:12:09] <Kokito> largo, you could restrict the width of the css style
[03:12:15] <MadEchidna_> woo I figured it out
[03:12:24] <MadEchidna_> this will be the build to end all builds :D
[03:12:43] <MadEchidna_> rurrent svn checkout compiled with the alpha profile and all the trimmings in config
[03:12:47] <MadEchidna_> bahahaha
[03:13:13] <largo> Kokito: you can make it wrap in the pre tag... but the code might not be strictly CSS valid.
[03:14:06] <largo> add a "margin-right:300px;" or so to the #overview rule, and for the "pre" tag css add:
[03:14:07] <largo> white-space: pre-wrap;       /* css-3 */
[03:14:08] <largo>  white-space: -moz-pre-wrap !important;  /* Mozilla, since 1999 */
[03:14:08] <largo>  white-space: -pre-wrap;      /* Opera 4-6 */
[03:14:08] <largo>  white-space: -o-pre-wrap;    /* Opera 7 */
[03:14:08] <largo>  word-wrap: break-word;       /* Internet Explorer 5.5+ */
[03:14:43] <largo> I can't easily check it in Firebug because those aren't technically valid css rules, so Firebug dumps them when you input them.
[03:15:09] <largo> I'd have to create a local copy of the page quick with the relevant CSS files and make the changes manually and test it.
[03:15:16] <largo> which I'll do... it'll just take me a minute. :)
[03:17:26] <largo> MadEchidna_: I can't build haiku yet due to http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5562
[03:17:46] <largo> unless that's been fixed since then and the ticket just not updated to reflect the fix.
[03:19:20] <Kokito> adding white-space to #overview dd.message pre does the trick largo
[03:19:39] <Kokito> no need for speficically restricting the width
[03:19:45] <MadEchidna_> AHA
[03:19:50] <MadEchidna_> I just found a mistake
[03:20:11] <MadEchidna_> in the current trunk, the jamfile for addons/decors/BeDecorator is wrong
[03:20:13] <MadEchidna_> it has a typo
[03:20:32] <MadEchidna_> it should have Addon BeDecorator :
[03:20:38] <MadEchidna_> not Addon ClassicBe
[03:21:45] <MadEchidna_> anyone here have SVN access? It's a quick fix
[03:22:07] <MadEchidna_> HA it worked, it's building now
[03:24:59] <Kokito> oh, cool: looks like Eguchi-san has gone into a Japanese translation spree :)
[03:26:19] <MadEchidna_> hm, I wish I had at least some idea how to post to the mailing lists :|
[03:27:25] <largo> Kokito: well we can just submit that then, and still have the CSS validate. I personally don't care to break it for backward compatibility. ;)
[03:27:35] <largo> let me check one more thing....
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[03:28:14] <Kokito> ok, too many hours in front of the computer. enough for today. good night folks!
[03:28:22] <largo> excellent... it doesn't break copy/pasting the text here either. the text still retains the correct line breaks.
[03:28:31] <largo> so it wouldn't break code input there etc.
[03:28:44] <largo> Kokito: gutenacht! :)
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[03:29:53] <largo> mmadia: should I send the "fix" to nielx, the official trac page, or both?
[03:30:23] <mmadia> our trac page is sufficient... maybe mention willingness to send it upstream if he prefers.
[03:30:42] <largo> k
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[03:36:11] <largo> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5616
[03:36:59] <MadEchidna_> hey mmadia can you please help me troubleshoot this
[03:37:05] <MadEchidna_> since you're a build wiz
[03:37:09] <MadEchidna_> ~/haiku/haiku/generated.x86gcc2> ../configure --include-gpl-addons --include-3rdparty --include-patented-code --use-gcc-pipe --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../generated.x86gcc4 --cross-tools-prefix /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/bin/ /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/bin/ar: ./libgcc.a: No such file or directory
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[03:38:05] <MadEchidna_> I'm trying to get a hybrid build going
[03:38:36] <mmadia> what type of Haiku are you building from?
[03:38:47] <MadEchidna_> GCC4 hybrid nightly
[03:39:32] <mmadia> what configure command did you use in the generated.x86gcc4 folder?
[03:40:07] <MadEchidna_> ../configure --include-gpl-addons --include-3rdparty --include-patented-code --use-gcc-pipe --alternative-gcc-output-dir ../generated.x86gcc4 --cross-tools-prefix /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/bin/
[03:40:26] <MadEchidna_> wait what
[03:40:30] <MadEchidna_> I'm confused now :P
[03:40:55] <mmadia> i'm guessing you're following : http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid ?
[03:41:07] <MadEchidna_> yeah
[03:41:16] <MadEchidna_> the first one worked but second didn't
[03:41:43] <mmadia> in terminal,  `open /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/bin/`
[03:42:15] <mmadia> what happens?
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[03:43:30] <MadEchidna_> a Tracker window appears with some files in it
[03:43:55] <mmadia> `open /boot/develop/tools/gnupro/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-haiku/2.95.3-haiku-090629/`
[03:44:22] <MadEchidna_> open: "/boot/develop/tools/gnupro/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-haiku/2.95.3-haiku-090629/": No such file or directory
[03:44:37] <mmadia> cd /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/bin/
[03:44:40] <mmadia> pwd
[03:44:52] <mmadia> nm...
[03:45:00] <MadEchidna_> huh?
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[03:45:26] <mmadia> that didn't work the way i expected.   do this:
[03:45:27] <mmadia> open /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/bin/../lib
[03:45:49] <MadEchidna_> okay, see some files
[03:46:04] <MadEchidna_> libstdc looks broken
[03:46:37] <mmadia> enable single window navigation & show navigator.   then copy/paste the file path shown.
[03:47:32] <MadEchidna_> done
[03:47:32] <mmadia> hmmm... ok, open Terminal in that folder.. `ls -la`  and plop that on http://haiku.pastebin.com
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[03:49:25] <MadEchidna_> http://pastebin.ca/1849939
[03:49:34] <MadEchidna_> woops, wrong site
[03:49:44] <mmadia> close enough.
[03:49:50] <MadEchidna_> ok
[03:50:02] <mmadia> type `cd ../lib`
[03:50:32] <MadEchidna_> k
[03:50:49] <mmadia> and pastebin  `ls -la`
[03:51:32] <MadEchidna_> http://haiku.pastebin.com/9FVsij7Q
[03:52:34] <mmadia> one last one.   cd /boot/system/lib/ ;  then pastebin `ls -la`
[03:53:35] <MadEchidna_> http://haiku.pastebin.com/Piw1zBWR
[03:53:55] <MadEchidna_> by the way, not sure if you saw it when I said it earlier, but I found a mistake in the BeDecorator jam file
[03:55:56] <mmadia> well.. you found an issue with gcc4hybrids.
[03:56:08] <MadEchidna_> heh
[03:56:12] <MadEchidna_> should I be proud :P
[03:56:33] <mmadia> the archive for gcc2 contains a symlink for libstdc++.r4.so tht only works on gcc2/gcc2hybrid
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[03:56:43] <MadEchidna_> oh
[03:56:51] <l_n> ew
[03:57:06] <MadEchidna_> so what would be the best environment to build on then?
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[03:57:17] <MadEchidna_> I'm planning on using this build day to day when it's done
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[03:57:19] <mmadia> x86gcc2hybrid.
[03:57:34] <MadEchidna_> can I just install over this one?
[03:57:40] <mmadia> no, that'd be very bad.
[03:57:42] <MadEchidna_> without initializing
[03:57:42] <MadEchidna_> o
[03:57:45] <MadEchidna_> fff
[03:57:50] <MadEchidna_> that's a lot of work to loose now, bummer
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[03:58:38] <MadEchidna_> i should be able to just use my sd card to host the build os
[03:58:42] <MadEchidna_> and keep all my files here for now
[03:58:43] <MadEchidna_> hm
[03:58:51] <mmadia> using Installer to upgrade gcc2[hybrid] to gcc4[hybrid] is a horrible thing to try.
[03:59:20] <MadEchidna_> heh
[03:59:29] <MadEchidna_> well i have gcc4 hybrid now
[03:59:39] <MadEchidna_> and I need to go to gcc2 hybrid apparently
[04:00:00] <mmadia> if you want, in the short term we can fix that link.
[04:00:44] <MadEchidna_> oh, would that enable me to finish the build?
[04:01:24] <mmadia> maybe :)
[04:01:29] <l_n> wtf? my wife is watching "Inside Edition" and they're showing a story where some asshole robbed a Girl Scout of ~$500 in cookie money.
[04:01:45] <MadEchidna_> I'm just going to move to gcc2 it's okay
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[04:05:29] <mmadia> if you're curious the command to fix it would be :
[04:05:30] <mmadia> ln -sf /boot/system/lib/gcc2/libstdc++.r4.so /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/lib
[04:05:49] <mmadia> *with rm /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/lib/libstdc++.r4.so first
[04:07:09] <MadEchidna_> eh may as well try it anyway
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[04:07:41] <mmadia> ... it would be useful to know if it fixes it
[04:07:50] <MadEchidna_> yeah
[04:07:55] <MadEchidna_> gimmie a minute
[04:10:00] <MadEchidna_>  /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/current/bin/ar: ./libgcc.a: No such file or directory
[04:10:04] <MadEchidna_> nope
[04:10:48] <MadEchidna_> mmadia do you need more info or can i nuke it
[04:11:10] <mmadia> is that with trying to configur it?
[04:11:23] <MadEchidna_> yeah
[04:11:37] <mmadia> nuke it.
[04:11:49] <MadEchidna_> ok
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[04:15:35] <l_n> ah, crap. i gotta overwrite /boot/system with a new nightly for Web+
[04:15:52] <l_n> i think i got mine 2 days earlier than the one required.
[04:18:26] <l_n> anon ftp to haiku-files.org would be nice. that way i don't need a web browser just to fetch a nightly...
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[04:19:25] <mmadia> you can wget the rss file, parse it, then wget the image :D
[04:19:44] <l_n> ftp would still be easier :-/
[04:19:56] <mmadia> *jokingly* or install the newest Web+ .. it's way better than bezilla.
[04:20:59] * l_n contemplates the joy bringing severe bodily harm to mmadia would bring to him at this moment... :P
[04:21:11] <mmadia> :)
[04:23:10] <l_n> i have to wonder if we'll ever be able to update a running haiku and then reboot (i.e. mount a raw image, copy system/ and possibly common/ to the real system, reboot)
[04:23:41] <Disreali> anyone tested r35928 vm?
[04:24:02] <l_n> i'm d/l'ing the raw image right now if that counts for anything..
[04:24:09] <l_n> Disreali: ^^
[04:24:16] <Disreali> I'm have the worst time with that rev in vmwasre
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[04:24:37] <l_n> have you tried it on a usb stick/sd card?
[04:24:43] <mmadia> Disreali : can you upload a photo of the gdb output next time?
[04:25:02] <mmadia> *and pastebin your /var/log/syslog
[04:25:41] <Disreali> mmadia, i wish i could. the vm just freezes and moving the mouse erase the icons and deskbar
[04:25:57] <mmadia> what about a camera?
[04:26:17] <Disreali> not sure where it is. I 'll look
[04:26:51] <mmadia> or writing down the last 2~3 lines of the initial gdb error message.
[04:27:37] <Disreali> mmadia, r35928 never gets to kdl or gdb. it just freezes for me
[04:27:51] <l_n> Disreali: right at the end of the bootsplash?
[04:28:04] <mmadia> oh.  what was the previous revision that worked for you?
[04:28:51] <Disreali> l_n,  mot neccisarily. sometimes tio works for several minutes before freezing
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[04:36:06] <MadEchidna_> mmadia: greetings from gcc2hybrid nightly
[04:36:13] <MadEchidna_> I'm having some different issues now
[04:36:20] <MadEchidna_> ...patience... ...found 94405 target(s)... ...updating 12451 target(s)... InitScript1 /boot/home/haiku/haiku/generated.x86gcc2/haiku.image-init-vars  vfork: Out of memory
[04:36:32] <mmadia> how much ram do you have?
[04:36:39] <MadEchidna_> 1 gig
[04:36:51] <mmadia> what's your jam command?
[04:37:09] <MadEchidna_> jam -q @alpha-raw
[04:38:20] <mmadia> hmmm.  how much virtual memory?
[04:38:35] <MadEchidna_> disabled
[04:38:39] <Disreali> no! my haiku files got deleted
[04:38:42] <Disreali> brb
[04:38:43] <mmadia> enable it.
[04:38:52] <MadEchidna_> the memory bar in the deskbar didn't even fill up though
[04:38:58] <MadEchidna_> (I will enable it thoug)
[04:39:15] <MadEchidna_> brb
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[04:40:57] <MadEchidna_> trying again
[04:41:08] <l_n> isn't vmem used for more than just a swap file? (i seem to remember being told that before)
[04:41:42] <MadEchidna_> mmadia: perhaps virtual memory should be enabled by default in the nightlies?
[04:42:05] <MadEchidna_> okay compiliation is beiging
[04:42:07] <MadEchidna_> *begining
[04:42:20] <MadEchidna_> worth noting: this was not an issue on gcc4hybrid
[04:42:31] <MadEchidna_> I was able to build without messing with virtual memory
[04:43:37] <mmadia> is it disabled in all nightlies?
[04:43:52] <MadEchidna_> can't verify
[04:44:03] <MadEchidna_> all I know is I was able to build on a fresh gcc4hybrid install
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[04:48:52] <DraX> my isp is planning a fiber network <3
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[04:55:37] <MadEchidna_> hm
[04:55:45] <MadEchidna_> anyone know anything about the gnash Haiku port?
[04:56:05] <MadEchidna_> I've tried the lastest version from Haikuware on both gcc4hybrid and gcc2hybrid
[04:56:06] <MadEchidna_> no joy
[04:56:22] <MadEchidna_> I run the deps script but it still says "did you install dependencies?" in any flash movie
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[05:04:56] <MadEchidna_> JonathanThompson, do you know CK|iPod?
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[06:05:04] <MadEchidna_> hey CK|iPod
[06:05:10] <MadEchidna_> which part of WA you in?
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[06:05:32] <CK|iPod> North of Seattle
[06:05:36] <MadEchidna_> cool
[06:05:39] <MadEchidna_> I'm in Tacoma
[06:05:42] <DraX> mmm pacific nw
[06:05:50] <CK|iPod> I was born there =O
[06:05:55] <CK|iPod> Like seriously
[06:06:01] <DraX> i miss pdx
[06:06:02] <CK|iPod> That's pretty ironic
[06:06:13] <MadEchidna_> I've been thinking about doing a Haiku booth at Linux Fest NW
[06:06:40] <CK|iPod> If I convince my parents to let me go, sure
[06:06:45] <MadEchidna_> you know of anyone else in the area aside from you, Johnathan Thompson and me?
[06:06:47] <CK|iPod> Where/When is it at?
[06:06:47] <DraX> i went to college in portland
[06:07:35] <CK|iPod> MadEchidna: Who would a 15year old high school freshman know? =P
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[06:08:03] <CK|iPod> My school IT guy didnt even know about Haiku until I told him
[06:08:25] <MadEchidna_> http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/
[06:08:27] <MadEchidna_> I dunno :P
[06:09:50] <CK|iPod> Bellingham?
[06:09:58] <CK|iPod> I was expecting Seattle
[06:10:12] <CK|iPod> Bellingham is a lot north of me
[06:11:05] <MadEchidna_> yeah I know :(
[06:11:21] <MadEchidna_> Pogo Linux used to sponsor busses from NSCC
[06:11:35] <MadEchidna_> but they stopped last year due to ungreatful people bitching about minor things
[06:11:40] <MadEchidna_> it was a tradition for me
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[06:13:27] <CK|iPod> Haiku > Any Linux distro IMO
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[06:31:20] <MadEchidna_> Well I think it would be cool to have a Haiku booth there
[06:31:25] <MadEchidna_> there is already a BSD booth
[06:31:41] <MadEchidna_> The first year I went it almost defined the experience for me :P
[06:31:48] <MadEchidna_> Mainly because it was amusing
[06:32:07] <MadEchidna_> the "booth" was a folding cable with a skinny nerd and a fat baldking nerd
[06:32:28] <MadEchidna_> and the fat nerd spent the whole day trying to get FreeBSD to start X on his thinkpad XD
[06:32:37] <MadEchidna_> I went by every couple hours to see his progress
[06:32:54] <MadEchidna_> and the skinny nerd had Krispy Kreme donuts in a CD spindle case
[06:32:57] <MadEchidna_> CK|iPod
[06:33:24] <OmniMancer> :P
[06:33:29] <OmniMancer> sounds funny
[06:33:53] <MadEchidna_> yeah
[06:34:04] <MadEchidna_> it's not that great of a show but it's good for some free tee shirts and some laughs
[06:34:20] <MadEchidna_> the second year, a friend of mine went to a presentation by some guy from Oracle
[06:34:33] <MadEchidna_> he was there to demonstrate how to install some free software they were offering on Debian
[06:34:39] <CK|iPod> Sounds fun. :D
[06:34:39] <MadEchidna_> but he had no idea how to use debian properly
[06:34:51] <MadEchidna_> so my friend an dI were shouting commands at him while he went um and sweated XD
[06:35:13] <MadEchidna_> that was also the year I made another friend spill his coffee, somethign I still give him crap about to this day
[06:35:18] <MadEchidna_> he bought this MASSIVE coffee
[06:35:21] <MadEchidna_> like 30oz
[06:35:30] <MadEchidna_> and carried it around, filled to the brim, with no lid
[06:35:35] <MadEchidna_> and i kept making him laugh
[06:35:39] <MadEchidna_> he wanted to kill me so badly XD
[06:36:16] <MadEchidna_> yeah LinuxFest is pretty cool
[06:36:25] <MadEchidna_> It's basically the ultimate LUG more than it's a "show"
[06:36:32] <OmniMancer> please use litres :P
[06:36:38] <MadEchidna_> ps
[06:36:40] <MadEchidna_> *psh
[06:36:58] <MadEchidna_> so my friend had at least 2/3 of a liter of coffee...
[06:37:40] <MadEchidna_> I've always dug metric for weight and space
[06:37:44] <OmniMancer> ouch
[06:37:46] <MadEchidna_> but it's wierd to order in a deli
[06:37:54] <OmniMancer> that a lot of coffee
[06:37:58] <MadEchidna_> I have a hard time ordering food in grams
[06:38:08] <MadEchidna_> well it was probably more like half a liter
[06:38:13] <OmniMancer> also you do understand that we use mililitres and kilograms usually :P
[06:38:17] <MadEchidna_> it was nearly as big as a Big Gulp from 7/11
[06:38:28] <MadEchidna_> yeah
[06:38:30] <OmniMancer> still its small coke bottle sized :(
[06:38:39] <MadEchidna_> more than that
[06:38:59] <MadEchidna_> now that I think about it, if I picture a liter bottle of coke
[06:39:06] <MadEchidna_> he had about a liter of coffee
[06:39:13] <MadEchidna_> also when I lived in canada they weighed food in grams
[06:39:28] <MadEchidna_> first time I bought something I was like "how the hell should I know how many grams of chicken I want"
[06:40:36] <MadEchidna_> what the heck is icu
[06:40:44] <MadEchidna_> I've been building icu stuff for hours
[06:41:30] <DraX> icu is internationalization and unicode stuff
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[06:41:58] <MadEchidna_> oh
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[06:42:17] <MadEchidna_> I wish there was a --build-stupid-american option in configure
[06:42:21] <MadEchidna_> so I could skip all that :P
[06:42:32] <OmniMancer> can't skip it is part of OS :P
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[06:42:59] <OmniMancer> anyway you don't want to speak american you want to speak english :P
[06:43:34] <MadEchidna_> heh
[06:44:15] <MadEchidna_> I know a British fellow in a different channel who types like this. He always capitalizes and uses proper punctuation, despite the fact it's a chat-room.
[06:44:41] <OmniMancer> :P
[06:45:03] <MadEchidna_> we once had a long debate about the definition of "cider"
[06:45:17] <MadEchidna_> even though most people in the channel, and several dictionaries agreed with me, he persisted
[06:45:23] <MadEchidna_> you know what his final argument was?
[06:45:37] <MadEchidna_> "I live near Oxford, therefore I am more qualified than any of you."
[06:46:02] <OmniMancer> hmmm
[06:46:14] <MadEchidna_> I think the whole concept of language is wonderful
[06:47:00] <MadEchidna_> I'd love to learn aramaic and/or 3rd centry conversational greek
[06:47:31] <MadEchidna_> Some people don't use language to it's fullest portential, they subsist on cliches and emotional expressions
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[06:47:41] <MadEchidna_> I see english as a very logical and mathmatical process
[06:48:08] <MadEchidna_> there is no better way in existance for man to express himself fully in a rich range of articulation
[06:48:33] <MadEchidna_> OmniMancer
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[07:14:02] <CIA-45> scottmc * r671 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Initial .bep and .OptionalPackageDescription files for libmad.
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[08:46:58] <Begasus> moin
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[10:13:19] <arjen> msg nickserv identify meinikhiero
[10:13:34] <MrSunshine> hah!
[10:13:36] <arjen> hmm,
[10:13:41] <arjen> not to smart
[10:13:46] <arjen> sorry
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[10:14:05] <MrSunshine> dammit
[10:14:09] <MrSunshine> trying to ghost you here!
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[10:14:23] <MrSunshine> ops ;P
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[10:14:49] <MrSunshine> _arjen_, sorry :)
[10:14:51] <MrSunshine> just had to try :)
[10:14:56] <MrSunshine> change password now :)
[10:15:06] <MrSunshine> before someone else does it for you :/
[10:15:08] <_arjen_> no problem
[10:15:23] <MrSunshine> like me ... muuuahahahahaha
[10:15:28] <MrSunshine> *evil grin*
[10:15:32] <_arjen_> now i am going to find out where to change my password ...
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[10:21:10] <MrSunshine> _arjen_, hmm was that also :/
[10:25:00] <_arjen_> that was enough use of the clipboard for today :(
[10:25:09] <OmniMancer> :(
[10:25:23] <OmniMancer> next time try opening a PM to nickserv :P
[10:25:35] <_arjen_> well, it is in de config now
[10:26:00] <OmniMancer> :P k
[10:28:23] <MrSunshine> been cadding for about two hours, save the file, then when i reopen it its all garbleled up ... i can see the objects but they are linked to the wrong names etc, some of them does not exist in the object list etc :/
[10:28:29] <MrSunshine> sucks like hell
[10:29:02] <OmniMancer> :(
[10:29:09] <OmniMancer> CADing what?
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[10:35:14] <MrSunshine> new motor mounts for my cnc mill :)
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[10:40:46] <OmniMancer> ah
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[10:41:10] <MrSunshine> but sucks to throw so much time at it and get realy happy with the results and then boom
[10:41:13] <MrSunshine> all gone
[10:41:37] <MrSunshine> but now i came up with a thing, i have no smaller mills then 4mm so cant do the part with the things i did in it anyhow :P
[10:42:44] <OmniMancer> :P
[10:42:48] <OmniMancer> oh well
[10:43:22] <MrSunshine> i want a cad/cam program for haiku insted! =)
[10:45:17] <J-Ho> wasn't there a cad presented for beos two or three years ago=
[10:45:18] <J-Ho> ?
[10:46:10] <MrSunshine> dunno ? :)
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[11:58:36] <MrSunshine> hmm, BMessage::GetInfo the char **nameFound do i need to free that myself? :)
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[12:10:04] <MrSunshine> ahh it will only return one item and thats at index? :)
[12:10:10] <MrSunshine> in that case i understand it more
[12:16:12] <Begasus> hmm trying to compile grafx2 and I'm getting a "error: expected ')' before '_Bool'
[12:16:27] <Begasus> read_file_system_list (BROKEN bool need_fs_type)
[12:16:42] <Begasus> that is the offending line (or atleast where the compiler breaks
[12:17:55] <MrSunshine> well theres your problem
[12:17:59] <MrSunshine> it says right there, "BROKEN"
[12:18:00] <MrSunshine> :P
[12:19:16] <Begasus> :P
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[12:44:38] <Begasus> can't find any clear info on the use of "BROKEN bool" so far ... but removing it from that line (BROKEN) does the trick in compiling it in gcc4
[12:46:47] * JonathanThompson wonders if BROKEN bool is true/false/FileNotFound...
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[12:47:36] <Begasus> howdy JonathanThompson  ;)
[12:48:04] * JonathanThompson wonders where the text is.... Colloquy, BEHAVE!
[12:48:10] <Begasus> http://code.google.com/p/grafx2/source/browse/trunk/src/mountlist.c
[12:48:14] <Begasus> it's in there ;)
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[12:48:43] <JonathanThompson> Did you just send a message with my name, Begasus ?  I heard the notification, but got nothing from you with my name.
[12:48:44] <Begasus> mmadia, !
[12:48:47] <JonathanThompson> Seems
[12:48:55] <JonathanThompson> your text got lost.
[12:48:58] <Begasus> yep JonathanThompson
[12:49:11] <JonathanThompson> (And it added a random linefeed into those two lines which I never typed)
[12:49:12] <Begasus> they don't like my anymore? ^^
[12:49:16] <mmadia> Begasus !
[12:50:04] <Begasus> running a fresh gcc4 install at the pc ;)
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[13:03:30] <CIA-45> stippi * r342 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/ (API/WebDownloadPrivate.cpp WebPositive/DownloadWindow.cpp):
[13:03:30] <CIA-45> * Finished testing of downloads interaction with listener and removed debug
[13:03:30] <CIA-45> output.
[13:03:30] <CIA-45> * Optimized download restoration at program start and moved it into download
[13:03:30] <CIA-45> window thread in order not to block app startup.
[13:03:30] <CIA-45> * Downloads which have been removed meanwhile, are displayed with dimmed icon,
[13:03:31] <CIA-45> and the option to Restart it is given.
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[13:13:58] <CIA-45> stippi * r343 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/DownloadWindow.cpp: Adjust the steps of the downloads window scrollbar.
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[13:39:45] <Begasus> re
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[13:57:08] <CIA-45> stippi * r344 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/DownloadWindow.cpp: Added node monitoring to downloads window.
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[14:31:57] <helf> hello
[14:32:50] <mmadia> mornin
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[14:34:14] <surrounder> hey helf en mmadia
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[14:40:21] <MrSunshine> lalala BMessage is a beast ... sigh :)
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[14:45:52] <CIA-45> stippi * r345 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/DownloadWindow.cpp: Just follow a moved download file, as Axel suggested.
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[14:59:43] <judgen> whoop! =P
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[15:08:24] <CIA-45> stippi * r346 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/ (DownloadWindow.cpp DownloadWindow.h):
[15:08:24] <CIA-45> * An unfinished download is no longer considered finished, just because it isn't
[15:08:24] <CIA-45> currently in progress anymore.
[15:08:24] <CIA-45> * Added feature to remove "missing" downloads, i.e. those for which no
[15:08:24] <CIA-45> corresponding file exists.
[15:10:52] <CIA-45> stippi * r347 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/DownloadWindow.cpp:
[15:10:52] <CIA-45> Removing finished or missing downloads may have to disable the respective
[15:10:52] <CIA-45> other button.
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[15:33:56] <CIA-45> stippi * r348 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/DownloadWindow.cpp:
[15:33:56] <CIA-45> Following another suggestion by Axel: Check if a download file is being moved
[15:33:56] <CIA-45> into the trash. If it's still in progress, cancel it. Dim the icon in any case.
[15:33:56] <CIA-45> Undim the icon if a download is moved back out of the trash (restarting still
[15:33:56] <CIA-45> has to happen manually).
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[15:40:49] <CapitanPicoZ> Hi :) Is it normal that Haiku doesn't boot with a Pentium 4 :S
[15:40:54] <CapitanPicoZ> *?
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[15:43:10] <mmadia> CapitanPicoZ , how does it not boot?
[15:43:37] <CapitanPicoZ> I tried the Alpha: nothing
[15:43:42] <CapitanPicoZ> it doesn't boot
[15:43:53] <mmadia> but at what point does it fail?
[15:44:09] <CapitanPicoZ> it doesn't show nothing
[15:44:37] <mmadia> at what point does it go from showing something to nothing.
[15:44:47] <CapitanPicoZ> another haiku r3.... shows all the pictures but it doesn't show the deskbar
[15:45:33] <CapitanPicoZ> Well, I saw the the screen black
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[15:46:26] <mmadia> CapitanPicoZ : please understand, that a boot process isn't a True | False ... there's many parts from the time the CMOS/BIOS loads to the time Tracker & Deskbar loads.
[15:46:35] <Kokito> what video hardware do you have CapitanPicoZ?
[15:47:08] <CapitanPicoZ> Uf, no idea
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[15:47:27] <CapitanPicoZ> I tried the computer was of a friend
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[15:48:19] <Kokito> in my experience, a black screen after the bootsplash icons point to video problem, enabling VESA mode usually let's you boot in the case
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[15:49:05] <CapitanPicoZ> I just copy the data of the chip: Intel Pentium 2.80 GHz
[15:49:16] <Kokito> either way, CapitanPicoZ, without basic info (hardware config, etc.), there is not much advise anyone can give you :)
[15:49:20] <CapitanPicoZ> and 504 MB of RAM
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[15:50:26] <Kokito> CapitanPicoZ, try fail-safe video mode then
[15:50:56] <CapitanPicoZ> Ok, I'll try as soon as I met my friend again
[15:52:16] <CapitanPicoZ> thank you for the help
[15:52:32] <Kokito> sure thing :)
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[15:53:38] <Kokito> CapitanPicoZ, is this a live cd that you are trying to boot?
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[15:54:06] <CapitanPicoZ> no, it's the normal system
[15:54:17] <CapitanPicoZ> which can be installed or used as a live cd
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[15:54:39] <CapitanPicoZ> I haven't been able to choose anyway :)
[15:55:45] <Kokito> CapitanPicoZ, and how did you get the "normal system" (whatever that may be) installed in your friends computer?
[15:56:33] <CapitanPicoZ> from here: http://www.haiku-files.org/raw/
[15:56:41] <Kokito> I mean, if you are trying to boot from Haiku, it must be because you were able to install it, right?
[15:57:35] <Kokito> what are you booting from (USB, ATA, SATA) and how did you get the Haiku image onto your boot device?
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[15:57:45] <CapitanPicoZ> I'm trying to boot from the cd of Haiku in order to install it
[15:58:18] <Kokito> and you created the CD using a raw image?
[15:58:37] <CapitanPicoZ> no, an ISO: ther are ISO's in that web too
[15:59:07] <CapitanPicoZ> I know that it works because I've been able to boot it in my computer
[15:59:55] <Kokito> I know there are ISO images CapitanPicoZ :)
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[16:00:28] <CapitanPicoZ> Ok, who knows, it's better to tell ;)
[16:00:30] <Kokito> so, to summarize, you are trying to boot a live CD created using an ISO from Haiku files, right?
[16:00:36] <CapitanPicoZ> yes
[16:01:03] <CapitanPicoZ> I wanted to show it to a friend on his computer and...
[16:01:05] <Kokito> ok, that's what you shuold have said in the first place :)
[16:01:18] <CapitanPicoZ> zas, it doesn't work :)
[16:01:26] <Kokito> is the ISO alpha 1 or a nightly build?
[16:02:58] <CapitanPicoZ> I tried both of them
[16:03:16] <CapitanPicoZ> but the nightly arrived further
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[16:08:34] <CIA-45> scottmc * r672 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/openssh/openssh-5.4p1.bep: Changed name of the ssh directory from openssh to just ssh.
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[16:09:55] <CapitanPicoZ> Well Kokito, I have to go, thank you very much ;)
[16:10:14] <Kokito> np CapitanPicoZ; good luck!
[16:10:36] <CapitanPicoZ> ok, byr :)
[16:10:39] <CapitanPicoZ> *bye
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[16:14:20] <bozarking> where are all the c++ api header files located?
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[16:15:16] <mmadia> locally or in the repository, bozarking ?
[16:15:26] <bozarking> locally
[16:15:29] <mmadia>   /boot/develop/headers
[16:15:33] <jan__64> hm, haiku-ports.de is down
[16:15:46] <bozarking> ah, ok, thanks
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[16:28:49] <kitallis> MrSunshine, what do the virtual void _ReserveDataIOn(); functions definitions mean?
[16:28:54] <kitallis> in DataIO.h
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[16:47:10] <Kokito> Tracker & Deskbar in Japanese: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vj39g37BeT0/S6i-0ghnx0I/AAAAAAAAAIY/xfkWH8xGcpA/s1600-h/TrackerandDeskbar.png
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[17:04:15] <kitallis> MrSunshine, yo
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[17:07:15] <largo> Kokito: やった！　がんばる！ :D
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[17:32:41] <MrSunshine> kitallis, nothing to care about realy, i guess its reserved for something :)
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[17:36:27] <MrSunshine> kitallis, you rewriting c bindings? :/
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[17:46:10] <CIA-45> stippi * r35935 /haiku/trunk/ (14 files in 5 dirs):
[17:46:10] <CIA-45> * Moved the duplicate "string_for_size()" implementations into libshared.a.
[17:46:10] <CIA-45> * Adapted libtracker.so, DriveSetup and Installer to use the shared version.
[17:46:10] <CIA-45> * The new version uses the correct units (KiB instead of KB and so on).
[17:46:10] <CIA-45> * Use the correct units in a few other prominent places, where
[17:46:11] <CIA-45> string_for_size() could not be used.
[17:46:12] <CIA-45> Should resolve a major part of #5378.
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[17:56:21] <kitallis> MrSunshine, lol ofcourse not
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[17:57:08] <kieselsteini> hi there
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[18:07:35] <leszek> hi
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[18:30:43] <begasus_> prOSy, ! ;)
[18:30:54] <prOSy> hi begasus_! :-)
[18:32:53] <begasus_> yes!!! .. tuxpaint compiled and running ;)
[18:33:07] <begasus_> (in gcc4)
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[18:41:47] <Be> re
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[19:08:55] <begasus_> nice ... save and open work in tuxpaint ... also gettext ;)
[19:09:03] <begasus_> so ... bbl
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[19:39:36] <luroh> DraX: whenever you have time, i have some input from testing your setwep utility
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[20:18:47] <CIA-45> mmu_man * r35936 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ports/pc_serial/ (Driver.cpp Driver.h SerialDevice.cpp): Less tracing by default...
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[20:45:33] <kitallis> Uhm
[20:45:51] <kitallis> Can't I get that installoptionalpackage script on my release1?
[20:46:27] <kitallis> do we have it packaged somewhere?
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[20:49:32] <mmadia> wget http://svn.haiku-os.org/haiku/haiku/trunk/data/bin/installoptionalpackage
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[20:49:43] <kitallis> thanks
[20:49:53] <mmadia> though, i've no idea if it'll work in r1a1.
[20:50:05] <kitallis> let's see
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[20:51:08] <Disreali> I did not have success with installoptionalpackage on alpha1
[20:51:17] <Disreali> ymmv
[20:52:37] <kitallis> seems to be working
[20:52:50] <Disreali> nice!
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[20:53:16] <kitallis> downloading the correct older 2009 package build for r1a1, yep working
[20:53:47] <kitallis> although I see some warnings here, in the initial run, not sure I did in the nightly
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[20:54:16] <mmadia> hmmm... r1a1 doesn't have bash 4.x, thus no associative arrays.
[20:54:26] <kitallis> wait, something is wrong
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[20:54:47] <kitallis> i did a bash installoptionalpackage -a Git
[20:55:04] <kitallis> and it downloaded and installed Yasm and then quit
[20:55:08] <kitallis> :S
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[20:55:14] <mmadia> and the earlier versions that didn't use associative arrays did not handle recursive deps correctly.
[20:55:27] <kitallis> ah
[20:55:31] <kitallis> that's why
[20:55:34] <kitallis> hm
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[20:59:33] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35937 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:
[20:59:33] <CIA-45> Fix libstdc++.r4.so's symlink for GCC 4 Hybrid. Uses an repackaged archive of
[20:59:33] <CIA-45> gcc-2.95.3-r1a1-x86-gcc2-2009-08-26.zip and the AddSymlinkToHaikuHybridImage
[20:59:33] <CIA-45> rule. Fixes #5617.
[21:03:48] <kitallis> I could re-compile bash, right
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[21:31:23] <The123king1> Hows the Haiku port of OpenJDK going?
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[21:31:36] <The123king1> or isn't it?
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[21:32:13] <OmniMancer> no idea
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[21:33:33] <mmadia> it's mostly idle The123king1.
[21:34:01] <mmadia> there is a commit list for the haiku port.
[21:34:28] <The123king1> Shame :/
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[21:39:30] <The123king1> IO think i might have to suggest it as a Haikuware bounty. That, and a nativeport of WINE
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[21:40:09] <yourpalal> The123King1: why so interested in java?
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[21:41:22] <leszek> nativeport of wine, hmm... that would be like recoding wine completely
[21:42:06] <kirilla> Java has many uses, from web programming, to enterprize stuff (think Oracle) and in general running all the apps already written in it
[21:42:30] <yourpalal> I was just wondering if there was something specific :D
[21:43:03] <kirilla> some people want to run Eclipse
[21:43:27] <kirilla> I wouldn't mind being able to code some Java on my favorite platform
[21:43:52] <kirilla> meaning Haiku
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[21:45:02] <yourpalal> the benefits to having java on Haiku would certainly be big, no doubt about that
[21:45:26] <Auronandace> perhaps even moreso with wine
[21:46:28] <Auronandace> as i understand it, it's the x11 driver that's the problem?
[21:46:45] <Auronandace> i know haiku doesn't use x11
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[21:47:10] <leszek> wine is completely written for xorg
[21:47:34] <leszek> therefore my comment on rewritting it for haiku completely from scratch
[21:48:05] <The123king1> It's not "completely written for xorg"
[21:48:05] <Auronandace> doesn't wine run on mac os x?
[21:48:07] <HeTo> leszek: the ReactOS guys seem to be doing something to separate wine from Xorg
[21:48:16] <yourpalal> there is the option of an xorg compatability layer, to run the windows compatability layer on top of it... haha
[21:48:27] <yourpalal> mac osx uses a modified version of X
[21:48:39] <The123king1> Wine has a cocoa driver, albeit unsupported
[21:49:33] <HeTo> the target is to have as little modifications as possible to the wine code itself (they burnt their fingers earlier modifying wine code heavily, they now want to keep more in line with stock wine)
[21:49:39] <The123king1> If you were to write a display driver specifically targeted at the Haiku GUI, it would be very possible
[21:50:24] <The123king1> i'm nolt saying it would be easy though
[21:50:28] <Auronandace> and therein lies the biggest hurdle
[21:50:43] <HeTo> the plan is to take it so long that you have two dlls, and by choosing which one to use you can either show ReactOS apps on a remote X11 screen or on the local ReactOS screen, but having most of the wine code shared whichever dll you use
[21:50:53] <HeTo> if I understood what they're doing correctly
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[21:52:52] <The123king1> HeTo: they're pretty much replacing winex11.drv (the display driver for interfacing with X11) and replacing it with winent.drv which interfaces with native NT calls
[21:52:56] <The123king1> i think
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[21:53:51] <The123king1> instead of rewriting Windows for ReactOS, they're trying to reuse as much WINE code as possible
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[21:55:29] <The123king1> But i digress... I'm pretty sure though that it would be very possible to do the same with Haiku and replace winex11.drv with a native dribver interfacing directly with the Haiku system calls
[21:55:42] <Auronandace> i suppose a port of wine would be a bit too big a project for gsoc
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[21:59:04] <The123king1> Yess... It would probably be better for a team of people
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[21:59:28] <kieselsteini> hmm
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[21:59:41] <kieselsteini> I've trouble compiling SDL-net for Haiku :/
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[22:00:51] <kieselsteini> ah...fixing that damn config.guess solves some problems...
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[22:05:26] <mmadia> Begasus , begasus_ ?
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[22:08:48] <Disreali> <announcer-voice> Begasus has left the building. </announcer-voice>
[22:08:56] <Disreali> ;)
[22:09:26] <begasus_> mmadia,  mmadia ?
[22:09:28] <Disreali> hey wow. chatzilla does emot-icons
[22:10:53] <mmadia> did you figure out the -lsupc++ issues when compiling tuxpaint?   (scott dropped me a line.)
[22:11:22] <begasus_> yep ... just had to add it ;)
[22:11:46] <begasus_> for some reason it doesn't get picked up
[22:12:17] <mmadia> what type of installation are you trying to build it with?
[22:12:59] <begasus_> native gcc4
[22:13:08] <begasus_> fresh build from this morning
[22:14:18] <kieselsteini> hmm a short question from a new Haiku programmer :)
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[22:14:36] <kieselsteini> will the future releases of Haiku use gcc4 or gcc2 ?
[22:15:12] <The123king1> gcc2hybrids up until at least R1
[22:15:17] <The123king1> i believe
[22:15:30] <The123king1> i don't speak for the project so don't take my word for it
[22:15:38] <Auronandace> for compatibility with legacy beos apps
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[22:16:30] <The123king1> you can still use gcc4 on gcc2hybrids though
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[22:17:03] <kieselsteini> The123king1: how ?!
[22:17:05] <The123king1> "setgcc x86 gcc4" to set GCC to use gcc4
[22:17:24] <The123king1> I'm pretty sure that's the command....
[22:17:39] <kieselsteini> I'll try it *g
[22:17:41] <The123king1> that sets GCC to use GCC4 for compiling ;)
[22:18:02] <kieselsteini> because compiling with gcc2 causes a lot of trouble
[22:18:05] <The123king1> if running GCC4 binaries, the OS deals with GCC2/4 differences
[22:18:28] <Disreali_> doh! updating firefox while running chatzilla is not recommennded
[22:18:42] <The123king1> yeh, GCC2 is only there for BeOS compatability
[22:19:02] <The123king1> it will probably be sidelined and eventually removed post-R2
[22:21:14] <kieselsteini> so a gcc4hybrid Haiku can run gcc2 programs but will use gcc4 as default compiler ?!
[22:22:11] <PulkoMandy> a gcc4h will use gcc4 for the system itself
[22:22:18] <PulkoMandy> and gcc2 as a compatibility layer
[22:22:24] <PulkoMandy> gcc2h will do the reverse
[22:22:37] <PulkoMandy> I think setgcc will save the current choice somehow
[22:22:44] <PulkoMandy> so do it once and forget about it
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[22:22:55] <kieselsteini> ahh ok...just to be sure...so compiling new apps with gcc4 will run on every Haiku (execpt gcc2 only bulds)
[22:24:02] * begasus_ pokes PulkoMandy
[22:24:41] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid
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[22:25:05] <mmadia> please let me know if that leaves any questions unanswered
[22:26:16] <kieselsteini> I'll read that document carefully
[22:26:55] <mmadia> ...eventually, i'd like to take another pass at updating the various http://www.haiku-os.org/guides
[22:27:12] <kieselsteini> mmadia: i found a typo :D
[22:27:26] <kieselsteini>  ... GCC 2 Hybrid is the offiicial
[22:27:42] <PulkoMandy> begasus_ : pong ?
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[22:28:24] <begasus_> I had an issue with grafx2 and gcc4 earlier ...
[22:28:31] <begasus_> just can't remember what it was :P
[22:28:53] <PulkoMandy> mh
[22:28:58] <PulkoMandy> not easy to debug then :p
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[22:29:31] <begasus_> also .. do you want a port for the stable version or the latest tgz?
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[22:29:53] <PulkoMandy> the latest one is the stable version
[22:30:16] <PulkoMandy> people start reporting bugs only _after_ we make release announcements as usual
[22:30:23] <PulkoMandy> so we have to update the archives :)
[22:30:37] <begasus_> ah ... mountlist.c:381: error: expected ')' before '_Bool'
[22:30:46] <PulkoMandy> mh
[22:30:47] <Kokito> human nature PulkoMandy :)
[22:30:58] <begasus_> err ... that was a svn checkout ;)
[22:31:18] <PulkoMandy> svn is ok too, we didn't start working on 2.3 yet
[22:31:35] <begasus_> in that line you have BROKEN bool (if I remove BROKEN) it compiles ok
[22:32:07] <begasus_> haven't checked in gcc2 yet
[22:32:18] <PulkoMandy> ah
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[22:32:22] <PulkoMandy> I remember that
[22:32:48] <PulkoMandy> on line 337 replace the #ifdef linux with #if defined(__linux__)||defined(__haiku__)
[22:32:53] <PulkoMandy> it should be ok then
[22:33:14] <begasus_> k checking
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[22:35:44] <begasus_> hmm nogo .. still the same
[22:35:53] <MadEchidna_> hi begasus_
[22:35:58] <begasus_> hi MadEchidna
[22:35:59] <AlienSoldier> begasus_just the man i wanted to see :)
[22:36:06] * begasus_ runs! ;)
[22:36:09] <MadEchidna_> hah
[22:36:11] <AlienSoldier> I have a question about parchive
[22:36:18] <MadEchidna_> hey guys, my custom haiku build went fine :D
[22:36:22] <MadEchidna_> I'm running it native right now
[22:36:23] <begasus_> parchive ... fill me in ;)
[22:36:26] <MadEchidna_> mmadia
[22:36:31] <MadEchidna_> ^
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[22:36:33] <MadEchidna_> ;)
[22:36:41] <begasus_> nice MadEchidna
[22:36:46] <PulkoMandy> begasus_: i'm not sure anymore, is it __HAIKU__ ?
[22:36:59] <begasus_> yep ... used __HAIKU__
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[22:37:09] <PulkoMandy> mh, strange it doesnt work then
[22:37:38] <MadEchidna_> begasus_: I built in on Haiku too :)
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[22:38:02] <MadEchidna_> it's nothing fancy, I just built the trunk with subpixel antialiasing and decors enabled
[22:38:07] <begasus_> doing my haiku builds in debian still
[22:38:11] <AlienSoldier> begasus_i downloaded something.  A bunch of file was in par and the remaining was the file just like i wanted them.  Does the par file just redundency data or is there other files also archived in that?
[22:38:40] <begasus_> whoot ... that has been a while since I used par files ;)
[22:38:50] <MadEchidna_> begasus_; you should try building on Haiku, I was suprised how simple it is
[22:38:53] <begasus_> IIRC they are used to re-create missing rar files
[22:38:55] <AlienSoldier> never used that before myself
[22:39:04] <MadEchidna_> pretty much all the software is already in the nightlies
[22:39:19] <MadEchidna_> so I just installed svn and was ready to go
[22:39:40] <AlienSoldier> so they don't "cinclude" anything exclusive?
[22:39:46] <AlienSoldier> *include
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[22:40:39] <begasus_> just parity checks IIRC so you can rebuild the missing rar files
[22:40:50] <begasus_> should be a BeOS port around somewhere
[22:40:54] <PulkoMandy> begasus_, ok... i'll think about it for now it's safe to remove "BROKEN" as you did anyway
[22:41:03] <begasus_> okies
[22:41:11] <PulkoMandy> MadEchidna : so, does the decorators work fine this time ?
[22:41:16] <AlienSoldier> that make sense, but still very inneficient for the added size it give
[22:41:29] <AlienSoldier> i know there is a port, by you, that this why i asked you :)
[22:41:57] <begasus_> it all depends on how many par files are created and how large the actual rar (complete) is ...
[22:42:03] <begasus_> hehe
[22:42:19] <mmadia> good to know MadEchidna_.     i fixed that issue you found in gcc4hybrids : http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/35937/haiku
[22:42:27] <begasus_> that was in the good old days before the ISP closed all nice newsgroups ;)
[22:42:59] <AlienSoldier> yesp
[22:43:23] <AlienSoldier> i particuly like that typo :)
[22:43:42] <begasus_> k time for a smoke ... on that note ... should take a look if there is anything new in the front of par ...
[22:43:45] <begasus_> bbiab
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[22:45:27] <MadEchidna__> hey guys what's a good ftp client for Haiku?
[22:45:34] <MadEchidna__> I just tried netpengin and it crashed
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[22:57:56] <MadEchidna> <PulkoMandy> MadEchidna : so, does the decorators work fine this time ?
[22:58:07] <MadEchidna> I ended up having to compile my own  build of Haiku, but yes
[22:58:22] <MadEchidna> one thing though, there is a typo in the jamfile for the BeDecorator in SVN
[22:58:31] <MadEchidna> it still says "ClassicBe" in the jam
[22:58:52] <MadEchidna> doesn't build that decorator unless you change the jam by hand
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[23:18:17] <begasus_> re
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[23:19:19] <jmayfield_> Hi
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[23:24:47] <Disreali_> begasus, know of any snes9x or znes ports for beos/zeta/haiku ?
[23:25:22] <begasus_> not out of the head no ...
[23:25:23] <Disreali_> I used to have one the Caz ported, but can't find it anymore
[23:25:32] <Disreali_> that
[23:25:32] <begasus_> and if so .. pretty old I think
[23:25:39] <Disreali_> hmm
[23:26:43] <kieselsteini> bye guys
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[23:27:57] <AlienSoldier> Disreali_ both port still are quite good
[23:30:15] <Disreali_> AlienSoldier: good to know
[23:30:29] <AlienSoldier> i did not try those in haiku that said
[23:30:42] <Disreali_> ha! found a new port -> http://bebits.com/app/3352
[23:30:54] <AlienSoldier> only game i remember not playing was topgear 3000
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[23:31:49] <Disreali_> mmm port was done for zeta... wonder if will work on haiku
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[23:33:57] <AlienSoldier> probably not, it complain about lib zeto on my R5
[23:34:03] <AlienSoldier> *zeta
[23:35:09] <AlienSoldier> but the 1.41 version might work
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[23:41:49] <kallisti5> what happened to qt-haiku?
[23:41:51] <kallisti5> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/qt-beos/repository/revisions/87
[23:41:59] <kallisti5> seems lots of rev's are missing on osdrawer
[23:42:39] <Disreali_> anyone know to where Caz moved ? mac *nix?
[23:42:49] <mmadia> i think that's just on the display.... InternalMIDI has a similar issue, not sure which other projects kallisti5
[23:42:54] <Disreali_> his ports where great
[23:43:13] <kallisti5> mmadia: yeah, osdrawer has been looking funky today
[23:43:37] <kallisti5> ooh, quick news item..  You can now edit, add, and upload files for applications on haikufire.com :D
[23:44:03] <leszek> gn8
[23:44:14] <l_n> copying system/ and common/ over an installed system will update it, no?
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[23:44:21] <kallisti5> l_n: no
[23:44:26] <kallisti5> l_n: dont do that
[23:44:30] <begasus_> AlienSoldier, .. par is still working ;)
[23:44:32] <kallisti5> l_n: i did... didn't go well
[23:44:59] <kallisti5> l_n: the system KDL'ed pretty quickly.  you can upgrade but make sure your booting off of another disk :P
[23:45:04] <l_n> not a running system.. a usb stick i use to update
[23:45:24] <kallisti5> l_n: oh.. then I don't see any reason it wouldn't work :P
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[23:46:03] <begasus_> just compiled v1.1
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[23:48:12] <MadEchidna> since there's a bunch of people here now, a shameless plug
[23:48:17] <MadEchidna> please help the haiku port http://info.sonicretro.org/Gens/gs
[23:48:53] <MadEchidna> there is no working Sega Genesis/Megadrive for Haiku
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[23:49:18] <MadEchidna> and someone has already added patches for Haiku
[23:49:30] <MadEchidna> it just needs to hook up to gamekit or whatever
[23:50:55] <l_n> any of you have any ideas how to improve my knowledge of the german language? i don't know anybody outside of irc that actually speaks it, so i've forgotten quite a bit of what i learned :(
[23:51:12] <l_n> (i know, completely random and off-topic...)
[23:51:23] <stpere> watch movies?
[23:51:31] <vooshy> MadEchidna: what licence is the code?
[23:51:41] <MadEchidna> gpl I think
[23:52:02] <MadEchidna> I can ask the head developer gerbilsoft real quick
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[23:52:11] <MadEchidna> or if you like I can bug him to come in here, he does sometimes
[23:52:32] <vooshy> just curious, not worth bugging him
[23:52:40] <MadEchidna> I like bugging him though :V
[23:52:50] <MadEchidna> <GerbilSoft> GPL, some LGPL
[23:52:50] <MadEchidna> <GerbilSoft> and unfortunately "noncommercial" for starscream
[23:53:09] <MadEchidna> <GerbilSoft> (it'll be replaced eventually)
[23:53:50] <vooshy> Dgen still compiles and runs on Haiku, using starscream engine but sega cd on haiku would be nice
[23:54:01] <MadEchidna> really?
[23:54:16] <MadEchidna> last I checked it run but doesn't refresh the screen properly
[23:54:16] <vooshy> yep
[23:54:23] <MadEchidna> when I tested it, the image was frozen
[23:54:32] <MadEchidna> and only changed if I moved the window on and off the screen rapidly
[23:54:40] <MadEchidna> I think that was Haiku Alpha 1 though
[23:54:41] <MadEchidna> hm
[23:55:02] <vooshy> works okay for me, quite often have a mess around on it.
[23:55:03] <OmniMancer> I think the game kit may not be used especially much so probably has being tested issues?
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[23:55:27] <MadEchidna> I'm sorry OmniMancer I don't understand your question
[23:55:31] <MadEchidna> could you rephrase it?
[23:56:36] <PulkoMandy> not enough apps use the game kit
[23:56:47] <PulkoMandy> so there is a lack of testing, and there are bugs
[23:56:51] <MadEchidna> oh
[23:56:59] <MadEchidna> well I just pulled GameKit out of my butt
[23:57:07] <MadEchidna> I don't know what the best backend would be
[23:57:23] <PulkoMandy> gamekit would be perfect if it worked
[23:57:40] <PulkoMandy> apps that work on beos and not on haiku should be reported in trac
[23:58:10] <vooshy> it would probably run on SDL like dgen i'd imagine
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[23:58:35] <PulkoMandy> yes sdl should work in any case
[23:59:43] <MadEchidna> Gens/GS usually runs with SDL by default and can also do OpenGL
[23:59:55] <MadEchidna> I find OpenGL is much faster on Linux than pure SDL

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