March 22, 2010 
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March 22, 2010 [00:00:02] <MadEchidna_> os_not_found wow that's an interesting question :P[00:00:05] <kirilla> os_not_found: less gnu? ;)[00:00:15] <MadEchidna_> ha I didn't even think of the gnu aspect[00:00:23] <MadEchidna_> how much gnu stuff is in Haiku aside from GCC[00:00:37] <Disreali_> to much[00:00:50] <os_not_found> how less gnu soft could be considered a advantage[00:01:11] <kirilla> libc is a lot of gnu.. many shell commands[00:01:26] <aldeck> oh noes, not a good gnu/ bad gnu discussion :)[00:01:35] <kirilla> sorry aldeck ':)[00:01:48] <kirilla> just one of those days, first religion and now gnu[00:01:53] <aldeck> hehe[00:01:59] <os_not_found> rather a haiku vs linux discussion ?[00:02:15] <aldeck> os_not_found: well there's lot of stuff you can read for that[00:02:22] <os_not_found> where[00:02:36] <aldeck> and you can also try haiku, that's the only way you will make your opinion[00:02:37] <mmadia> www.haiku-os.org/about/faq[00:02:41] <os_not_found> ok[00:02:47] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[00:02:48] <mmadia> haiku-os.org/get-haiku[00:03:00] <kirilla> os_not_found: we have a nice filesystem structure, a nice filesystem with extended attributes that can be indexed, and a coherent system on top of this[00:03:04] <mmadia> www.haiku-files.org[00:03:07] <os_not_found> ok[00:03:30] <AlienSoldier> for me linux =/= KISS[00:03:48] <MadEchidna_> <kirilla> just one of those days, first religion and now gnu[00:03:49] <kirilla> os_not_found: haiku's API could be seen as a cleaner/simpler form of Qt[00:03:51] <MadEchidna_> > kirilla[00:03:52] <os_not_found> in linux you need to have a good knowledge of linux internal to get the most of linux[00:03:58] <MadEchidna_> > implying there's a difference[00:04:07] <os_not_found> its the same in haiku?[00:04:07] <kirilla> MadEchidna_: heh[00:04:23] <kirilla> os_not_found: less true about Haiku[00:04:31] <aldeck> os_not_found: it tries to be user friendly while still powerfull for tinkerers[00:04:32] <os_not_found> ok[00:04:36] <os_not_found> ill try it[00:04:58] <MadEchidna_> I think Haiku is sort of like Mac OS Classic[00:05:05] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[00:05:14] <MadEchidna_> if someone had taken a race car engine and installed it in Mac OS that is[00:05:25] <kirilla> in some ways, yeah.. I kinda liked classic[00:05:39] <kirilla> except its constant crashes and running out of memmory[00:06:54] <os_not_found> what imaga should get gcc2hybrid or gcc4hibrid[00:06:59] <MadEchidna_> I wonder how long it took to get the Platinum theme on OpenStep once apple bought that lot[00:07:17] <MadEchidna_> os_not_found gcc2hybrid[00:07:37] *** Engleek has quit IRC[00:10:13] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[00:10:16] <kirilla> was platinum the MacOS 9 look?[00:10:25] <MadEchidna_> ys[00:10:41] <kirilla> I liked that a lot[00:11:09] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[00:11:09] <MadEchidna_> it's too bad ctrl-shift-alt doesn't work on Haiku ;)[00:11:20] <kirilla> the early pin striped OSX wasn't so hot[00:12:02] <kirilla> hmm... what's it do MadEchidna_?[00:12:26] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[00:12:42] *** saivert has quit IRC[00:13:25] <MadEchidna_> kirilla early OSX prototypes had the old theme http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/2820553141_56e3a8cf8d.jpg?v=0[00:13:57] <kirilla> MadEchidna_: It's darker than I remember it[00:14:00] <MadEchidna_> as for ctrl-shift-alt, on BeOS if you hold those keys down and click the Be menu, a secret menu appears that lets you change the window boarder theme[00:14:09] <kirilla> oh yeah[00:14:18] <MadEchidna_> and it had platinum :P[00:14:32] <MadEchidna_> early Haiku builds still had that menu though it did nothing[00:15:08] <kirilla> we have something like that in Haiku, but I think some of them might be broken now[00:15:28] <kirilla> not sure how to change them[00:15:30] <aldeck> pulkomandy worked a bit on decorators recently[00:15:39] <aldeck> theres a setdecor command[00:15:52] <kirilla> shell command?[00:15:52] <aldeck> i'd have to look in the commit messages[00:15:55] <aldeck> yep[00:16:12] <kirilla> I'm tempted to reboot :)[00:16:12] <aldeck> and you have to add stuff to your image[00:16:30] <kirilla> hmm[00:16:57] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[00:18:21] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:18:25] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:18:28] *** saivert has joined #haiku[00:18:33] <kirilla> I had some early Release of Rhapsody, given to me by some developer who had tired of it, iirc, wish I had kept those[00:18:34] <aldeck> see r34761[00:20:52] <kirilla> thanks aldeck[00:21:06] <kirilla> will add them to my build[00:22:02] <Disreali_> was the BeOS Sample Code included on the r5Pro Cd's?[00:22:22] * Disreali_ digs around for one of his r5 cd's[00:22:39] <MadEchidna_> i think so[00:23:34] <MadEchidna_> IIRC R5 Pro came with the be book and the sample code on the CD[00:24:26] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[00:25:35] *** Megaf has quit IRC[00:26:09] <kirilla> I can't figure out how to add the decorators to the build :P[00:26:35] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:26:46] <MadEchidna_> weba mmadia[00:26:53] <MadEchidna_> I bet mmadia knows kirilla[00:27:07] <kirilla> there's no SYSTEM_ADD_ONS_DECORATORS like with the other add-ons[00:27:10] <aldeck> when i tried i just compiled them from haiku and moved the decorator binaries manually[00:27:12] *** os_not_found has left #haiku[00:27:25] <VinDuv> kirilla:[00:27:26] <VinDuv> AddFilesToHaikuImage home config add-ons decorators[00:27:26] <VinDuv> : MacDecorator BeDecorator WinDecorator ;[00:27:28] <mmadia> finddir -l[00:27:41] <kirilla> VinDuv: that simple?[00:27:44] <MadEchidna_> ha[00:27:46] <kirilla> thanks VinDuv[00:27:46] *** personian has quit IRC[00:27:51] <MadEchidna_> no AmigaDecorator? :V[00:28:22] <MadEchidna_> I think it's funny how in the past 5 years everyone is discovering tabs[00:28:27] <MadEchidna_> see: firefox, google chrome[00:28:35] <MadEchidna_> meanwhile in BeOS, OLD NEWS :D[00:28:44] <MadEchidna_> I used sliding tabs heavily[00:29:34] <MadEchidna_> I just wish that there was something built in to the system that slid the tabs automatically when maximized windows are on top of eachother[00:30:55] *** Xeon3D has joined #haiku[00:31:06] <Xeon3D> hi[00:31:11] <MadEchidna_> uh oh[00:31:19] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[00:31:20] <MadEchidna_> our competitors are catching up gents http://www.osnews.com/story/23037/AROS_Boots_Installs_from_USB_Sticks[00:31:21] <MadEchidna_> ;)[00:31:50] <Xeon3D> Are the translated languages already being incorporated into the nightlies?[00:32:17] <MadEchidna_> mmadia you are still in charge of the nightly builds eh>?[00:32:25] <kirilla> the BeDecorator wouldn't build here[00:32:28] <mmadia> yes, why?[00:32:33] <MadEchidna_> just checking[00:32:52] <mmadia> well,,, i wouldn't say "in charge".[00:33:02] <Xeon3D> mmadia would you know anything about it?[00:33:09] <MadEchidna_> well, you are the one who sets it up though right[00:33:34] <mmadia> i picked up responsibility shortly before r1a1.[00:33:48] <kirilla> Xeon3D: string catalogs should be part of the nightlies[00:34:51] <kirilla> reboot, bbl[00:35:08] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:35:14] <Xeon3D> nice. :)[00:35:34] <MadEchidna_> mmadia: I guess in the 10 years of development, it would be "recent" :P[00:37:03] *** Andrius has quit IRC[00:40:06] <hdanak> is there any way I can change my mac address in haiku?[00:41:10] <Xeon3D> strange... the mail App and the Appearance preflet appear translated, but not DriveSetup[00:41:55] <Xeon3D> Also, at bootup (latest nightly from haiku-files) on the language/keymap screen most of the languages are duplicated (or more).[00:42:51] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[00:43:21] <MadEchidna_> hdanak why would you want to :P[00:44:00] <Xeon3D> oh well... bbl[00:44:48] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[00:46:02] *** Advant has joined #haiku[00:55:38] *** Micc has joined #haiku[01:05:33] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:05:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:07:20] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[01:07:31] *** os_not_found has joined #haiku[01:07:40] <os_not_found> i noticed a bug[01:08:03] <os_not_found> in the installer language list[01:08:38] <os_not_found> the languages appear 4 or 5 time each one[01:08:52] *** kazaa_lite has quit IRC[01:09:13] <os_not_found> like German German German German German English ..[01:09:48] <os_not_found> i cant believe the people still use kazaa[01:10:16] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:10:43] <os_not_found> where i can file the bug ?[01:10:55] *** nopper has quit IRC[01:10:58] *** margiolas has quit IRC[01:12:09] *** Nozy has quit IRC[01:12:12] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:12:25] <os_not_found> where i can file the bug ?[01:12:44] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[01:15:37] *** BlankBruno has joined #haiku[01:16:08] <MadEchidna_> Vision is spoiling me[01:16:17] <MadEchidna_> I keep trying to use autocomplete for words[01:16:57] <vooshy> os_not_found: http://dev.haiku-os.org/newticket[01:17:17] <MadEchidna_> HOLY SHIT[01:17:33] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:17:33] <MadEchidna_> Baron Arnold and Jean Bapiste-Queru are in the credits for Vision[01:17:38] <MadEchidna_> wow[01:17:52] <MadEchidna_> JBQ is a pretty cool guy[01:17:54] *** Nozy has quit IRC[01:18:01] <MadEchidna_> he works at google now on the open source android team[01:18:16] <MadEchidna_> they are seperate from the main android crew\\[01:18:23] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[01:18:30] <MadEchidna_> I guess they just do what they want an then the open source guys pick out what they can use legally[01:18:32] <MadEchidna_> or something[01:21:55] <os_not_found> i cant get internet to work in haiku(vmware machine)[01:25:17] <os_not_found> p[01:26:31] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[01:26:54] *** vooshy has quit IRC[01:27:56] <CIA-45> scottmc * r663 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/openssh/openssh-5.4p1.bep: Fixed destdir issue with openssh .bep file, thanks to auggiedoggie.[01:28:09] *** l_n has joined #haiku[01:30:33] <os_not_found> what milestone should i choose[01:32:19] <OmniMancer> os_not_found: out of interest have you changed the adapter to an intel one?[01:37:16] <l_n> i wonder if i could actually convince my wife to try haiku...[01:40:41] *** spvensko_ has quit IRC[01:42:04] *** BlankBruno has quit IRC[01:42:12] *** personian has joined #haiku[01:42:24] <cb88> l_n: wait on wifi encryption I would say... its she is using a laptop[01:43:08] <l_n> cb88: yes, and our network is open due to me not wanting to be a hypocrite about wifi access (i'll use any open network i can find...)[01:43:50] <cb88> heh... I guess you could ssh tunnel important traffic lol[01:43:52] <MadEchidna_> I don't want to run an open spot because someone might run torrents on it without any protection[01:44:18] <MadEchidna_> If I could run my VPN at the router level that would be find though[01:44:30] <MadEchidna_> I just don't want shit going over the cable unencrypted[01:46:18] <l_n> hrm.. my /boot/common directory has grown larger than my sd card...[01:50:04] <l_n> `31`[01:54:31] *** personian has quit IRC[01:55:18] *** cb88 has quit IRC[01:58:23] <Micc> Does haiku have wireless support yet?[01:59:09] *** not_you has joined #haiku[01:59:19] *** l_n has quit IRC[01:59:38] *** not_you is now known as l_n[02:00:02] <l_n> hrm.. wonder what caused that trip to KDL...[02:00:28] <Micc> can I build my own haiku with wireless support in it?[02:00:31] <l_n> the haiku kernel can't be made to dump a core file, can it?[02:00:39] <l_n> Micc: the nightlies have the wifi drivers[02:00:51] <l_n> you'll need an ethernet connection to d/l the firmwares, though.[02:02:25] *** personian has joined #haiku[02:02:53] <l_n> Micc: http://www.haiku-files.org[02:03:51] <OmniMancer> l_n: might need an ethernet connection[02:04:00] <OmniMancer> not all require it I think[02:04:09] <OmniMancer> also I think some cards don't need setup at all[02:06:44] <aldeck> yep, a few firmwares are included (when the license is more permissive)[02:06:54] <aldeck> for example intel 3945 works out of the box[02:07:47] <OmniMancer> I think I have that one[02:07:50] <OmniMancer> or one like it[02:07:54] <OmniMancer> it works too :D[02:08:05] <OmniMancer> just need to setup my spare wifi router :P[02:10:08] *** personian has quit IRC[02:11:27] *** saimen has quit IRC[02:11:44] <l_n> the broadcom43xx requires ethernet (or pre-d/l and reading scripts to find locations to cp files to)[02:11:47] <Micc> how stable are the nightly builds? is there a list of which nightly builds are the most stable?[02:12:05] <l_n> the nightlies are the recommended images to use.. most are pretty stable[02:12:34] <l_n> as with all devel snapshots, they're not *guaranteed* to work and bugs are to be expected.[02:12:38] <l_n> :P[02:14:16] <l_n> in all seriousness, though, i use svn and/or nightlies for my day-to-day usage... haiku is the only os on my netbook.[02:14:19] <Micc> has there been a lot of progress since alpha1? it seems like alpha1 has been the official release for years.[02:14:46] <l_n> r1a1 has only been out since sept, iirc.. but there have been quite a few changes since then..[02:15:11] <Micc> I thought I remember installing alpha1 over a year ago.[02:15:32] <Micc> was there a release before r1alpha1?[02:16:10] <Micc> I guess it just seems longer than it has been.[02:16:32] <Micc> I've bene watching the website since the first google summer of code.[02:19:44] <stpere> it was in september[02:21:01] <Micc> which nightly image should I get for putting on a usb stick. anyboot or raw?[02:21:05] <l_n> btw, /boot/common/bin/libtoolize has sed and grep at /bin/{sed,grep} instead of /boot/common and /boot/system[02:21:10] <l_n> Micc: raw[02:21:45] <Micc> whats the difference between the gcc versions?[02:21:52] <l_n> use a hybrid2[02:21:57] <l_n> erm gcc2hybrid[02:21:58] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[02:22:12] <l_n> it's the officially supported hybrid. (r1a1 was a gcc2hybrid)[02:22:30] <l_n> basically, haiku has to have gcc2 and gcc4 libs for old and new stuff to co-exist[02:23:11] <Micc> so gcc2hybrid has gcc2 and gcc4 libs?[02:24:07] <l_n> yes[02:24:17] <l_n> and gcc2 and 4 binaries[02:24:17] <mmadia> the front page of haiku-files.org has a small blurb about which gcc & it links to a guide on www.haiku-os.org for more information.[02:24:54] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[02:27:50] *** Micc__ has joined #haiku[02:28:10] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:28:35] *** Micc has quit IRC[02:28:38] <OmniMancer> l_n:actually a gcc2 hybrid will have gcc2 binaries for everything that will compile on gcc2 I think[02:28:52] <OmniMancer> it then has libs for gcc4 since the C++ linking changed[02:29:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:31:17] <OmniMancer> yay mmadia[02:31:35] <mmadia> had to reboot to enable serial debugging.[02:31:50] <OmniMancer> mmadia: did you ever hear from the guy who was building libpurple?[02:31:50] <mmadia> .... i'm trying to break my system in r1a1.[02:31:55] <OmniMancer> :P[02:32:02] <OmniMancer> that shouldn't be hard :P[02:32:06] <Micc__> can I install gobe productive on hiaku? I baught it a long time ago for beos R5 I think.[02:32:26] <OmniMancer> Micc__: yes I think it works, if it doesn't work probably file bugs[02:32:28] <mmadia> Micc__ : you'd need BeOS or Zeta to extract it from the .pkg file iirc.[02:32:34] <DraX> OmniMancer: which prpl are you interested in?[02:32:56] <OmniMancer> DraX: I would like yahoo, msn and jabber/xmpp/gtalk[02:33:00] <l_n> OmniMancer: i meant gcc v2.xx and v4.xx :P not other binaries :P[02:33:02] <OmniMancer> aim optionally[02:33:08] <OmniMancer> oh :P[02:33:16] <DraX> i've got an AIM protocol for caya compiling[02:33:28] <DraX> it's not working yet, but hopefully won't be too bad to debug[02:33:46] <DraX> and there is alreday a jabber/gtalk one[02:33:50] <OmniMancer> preferably I would like the whole of libpurple compiling which could be built into a plugin for caya to give support for most protocols[02:34:01] <OmniMancer> yea I know about jabber/gtalk[02:34:03] <DraX> it has a lot of unpleasent dependencies[02:34:08] <DraX> which is why i took this route[02:34:08] <OmniMancer> unfortunately it's the one I use least[02:34:34] <DraX> writing a caya protocol is easy[02:34:37] *** jvff has joined #haiku[02:34:44] <OmniMancer> DraX: could we conceivably use libpurple for how to write the protocol parts and build from scratch?[02:34:57] <DraX> sure, though there are already libraries in a lot of cases[02:35:20] <OmniMancer> as in see if we can disentangle the actual protocols from the dependencies that probably aren't that integrated with the protocols[02:36:17] <DraX> http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/[02:36:26] <DraX> though it depends on glib[02:36:27] <DraX> :([02:36:51] <l_n> glib seems to be avail. through haikuports[02:37:01] <DraX> yeah but it sucks as a dependency[02:37:01] <mmadia> 1.2 or 2.x ?[02:37:13] <DraX> either[02:37:14] <l_n> 2.22[02:37:18] <l_n> in haikuports[02:37:54] <mmadia> i meant, which does it need? :)[02:37:58] <DraX> either[02:38:06] <DraX> there is also a libmsn out there[02:38:43] <mmadia> for imkit, there was an attempt to use msn over gsoap[02:38:44] <l_n> does aMSN depend on anything in particular? (i haven't used it in a *long* time)[02:39:46] <DraX> amsn is a tcl/tk app[02:41:38] <l_n> and they haven't been ported yet, have they?[02:41:59] <DraX> *shrug* but they're not useable as a library to write a caya protocol addon with[02:42:58] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[02:46:41] *** Lukaio has joined #haiku[02:47:25] *** Lukaio has left #haiku[02:52:26] <Micc__> does the nightly builds come with an irc client?[02:52:33] <l_n> Vision[02:52:40] *** os_not_found has left #haiku[02:52:57] <l_n> if it's not there, you can just run installoptionalpackage -a Vision from the Terminal[02:56:29] *** Micc__ has quit IRC[02:56:52] <hdanak> is caya usable with gtalk atm?[03:00:26] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[03:00:53] <hdanak> or rather, is it more stable than imkit?[03:01:45] <mmadia> it's almost like 6 eggs or 1/2 a dozen.[03:05:37] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[03:05:58] *** Geoz has quit IRC[03:06:50] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[03:08:37] *** wildur has quit IRC[03:09:32] *** Micc_ has joined #haiku[03:09:35] *** Micc_ is now known as Micc[03:10:57] <Micc> how do I connect my wifi to a network?[03:11:14] <Micc> I see I have /dev/net/iprowifi4965/0[03:13:11] <Micc> how do I see what networks are available to connect to?[03:14:15] <mmadia> l_n --^ ?[03:14:19] *** impy has quit IRC[03:14:21] <Micc> ?[03:15:10] *** impy has joined #haiku[03:15:20] <mmadia> i was hoping he'd be able to answer. oddly, i haven't actually used wifi in haiku.[03:15:32] <l_n> sorry.. was putting my son to bed[03:16:02] <l_n> you'll have to d/l wlanconfig (i forgot where it is).. it's not quite finished, so not included in the nightlies.[03:16:35] <Micc> installoptionalpackage -a wlanconfig ??[03:16:39] <l_n> Micc: if you have an open network, just set it to dhcp and it will autoconnect :)[03:16:48] <l_n> Micc: no.. you actually have to go fetch it manually.[03:17:03] <l_n> i can't remember the link, though.[03:17:10] <Micc> ok, my network requires wpa or wpa2 personal[03:17:26] <l_n> that's not done yet.[03:17:35] <l_n> wep is in the testing phase.[03:17:44] <l_n> unsecured works.[03:17:53] <mmadia> dev.osdrawer.net maybe?[03:18:30] <OmniMancer> its somewhere in osdrawer[03:19:02] <OmniMancer> unsecured works[03:19:14] <OmniMancer> wpa and wpa2 will come once the wifistack is written :P[03:19:22] <OmniMancer> currently wifi is stapled onto ethernet :P[03:19:23] <Micc> so this looks like it didn't install, my 1gb usb stick just booted right into hiaku. So if I install stuff will it be lost when I reboot?[03:19:25] <l_n> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/files[03:19:28] <l_n> heh. found it.[03:19:48] <l_n> Micc: it shouldn't.[03:20:01] <OmniMancer> Micc: not it should stick but the raw image is of limited size[03:20:09] <l_n> 450MB[03:20:15] <OmniMancer> yep[03:20:21] <Micc> that should be enough to play with at least.[03:20:26] <OmniMancer> so installing it to a second USB drive is good :P[03:20:29] <OmniMancer> it is[03:20:36] <l_n> you can use an sd card or another stick to install to a larger filesysttem, though.[03:20:53] <OmniMancer> indeed[03:20:56] <l_n> it starts to get cramped when you add bezilla, vision, pe, etc, etc[03:21:09] <mmadia> Web+ ftw![03:21:10] <OmniMancer> I installed to my 2gb stick from the 1gb one I dded to originally[03:21:12] <l_n> plus if you start trying to port semi-useful stuff, you'll need more space as well.[03:21:27] <l_n> mmadia: yeah.. i need to update web+[03:21:32] <OmniMancer> yea don't go trying to checkout svn repos into it[03:22:20] <l_n> my /boot/common dir tree has already grown to >2GB[03:22:48] <OmniMancer> :O[03:22:58] <MadEchidna_> <mmadia> Web+ ftw![03:23:00] <MadEchidna_> second[03:23:01] <OmniMancer> also don't go checking out the haiku source its about 2Gb[03:23:03] <OmniMancer> GB[03:23:04] <MadEchidna_> *seconded[03:23:12] <OmniMancer> I need to test web+[03:23:19] <MadEchidna_> mmadia do you know where I can get imkit binaries for haiku[03:23:38] <Micc> I've got an 8gb stick, but I would like to shrink my windows 7 partition to put this on.[03:23:43] <l_n> (+ 1 web+)[03:23:50] <mmadia> dev.osdrawer.net ... there hasn't been a release for Haiku.[03:23:54] <Micc> how do I install a web browser?[03:23:57] <OmniMancer> (incf web+)[03:24:04] <MadEchidna_> there's nothing under files there[03:24:26] <OmniMancer> l_n: use incf not + :P[03:24:50] <Micc> it seems like I don't have a browser at all with this nightly build.[03:24:51] <l_n> OmniMancer: right.. because the new value isn't stored to WEB+[03:25:07] <MadEchidna_> micc: open a terminal[03:25:30] <OmniMancer> I forget... incf does it in the variable right?[03:25:39] <l_n> (setq web+ (+ 1 web+)) is equiv. to (incf web+), right?[03:25:48] <OmniMancer> I believe so[03:25:48] <l_n> IIRC.. i'd have to look at the CLHS[03:25:54] <MadEchidna_> Micc type installoptionalpackage -a BeZilla[03:25:56] <OmniMancer> probably macroexpands to that :P[03:25:56] <MadEchidna_> in the terminal[03:26:01] <OmniMancer> which in turn expands to a setq[03:26:32] <mmadia> installoptionalpackage -a BeZillaBrowser[03:26:42] <MadEchidna_> oh[03:26:46] <MadEchidna_> woops']'[03:26:50] <l_n> heh.. i never erased my modified clisp source..[03:26:56] <Micc> Nothing happens.[03:27:12] <l_n> but slime won't work with xemacs :([03:27:24] *** willll has quit IRC[03:27:26] <MadEchidna_> micc installoptionalpackage -l[03:27:35] <Micc> ok, BeZillaBrowser seems to be installing[03:27:37] <MadEchidna_> oh[03:27:51] *** noldsel has joined #haiku[03:27:58] <Micc> is there support for vpn in haiku yet?[03:28:06] <OmniMancer> l_n: then start making it work :P[03:28:24] <OmniMancer> is there a slime equivalent for hemlock yet?[03:28:33] <l_n> dunno[03:28:38] <OmniMancer> oh yes is there vpn support in haiku?[03:28:43] <l_n> i'm still trying to get motivated to finish PCL[03:28:45] <MadEchidna_> mmadia do you know much about MediaKit?[03:28:52] <MadEchidna_> I've been working on this today http://sites.google.com/site/sbagenhaiku/[03:28:52] <OmniMancer> PCL?[03:28:54] <Micc> Do you think this nightly build will run on my new acer aspire one?[03:28:56] <OmniMancer> oh the book[03:29:00] <l_n> Practical Common Lisp[03:29:04] <l_n> that dead sexy book :P[03:29:06] <mmadia> virtually nothing. i avoid c/c++ code.[03:29:07] <MadEchidna_> Micc: probably[03:29:16] <MadEchidna_> it runs on my Eee PC[03:29:20] <MadEchidna_> mmadia what do you prefer[03:29:47] <mmadia> bash, python, jam, and various other tasks.[03:29:52] <l_n> MadEchidna_: did you swap your wifi card?[03:30:03] <l_n> or did it have something other than the ralink 2860?[03:30:16] <MadEchidna_> l_n no, my Eee doesn't have minipci :([03:30:20] <MadEchidna_> it has something smaller[03:30:26] <MadEchidna_> I took everything apart before I realized itg[03:30:32] <l_n> which eee is it?[03:30:40] <MadEchidna_> 904HA[03:32:01] <l_n> hrm.. i seem to remember seeing a smaller-than-minipcie slot in my eee 1000[03:32:09] <l_n> and not knowing wtf it is.[03:32:21] <l_n> i can't seem to find any info on what that extra slot is.[03:32:30] <MadEchidna_> my wifi is BCM4328[03:32:45] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[03:33:07] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[03:33:09] <l_n> ah, so no need to change it.[03:33:12] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[03:33:15] <l_n> i had to take the rt2860sta out of mine.[03:33:21] <Micc> what is sbagen?[03:33:34] <Micc> looks like a sox type app[03:33:49] <OmniMancer> I have been listening to some SBaGen sequences today :P[03:34:19] <MadEchidna_> OmniMancer which onces :D[03:34:26] <MadEchidna_> also, did you use my binary? :P[03:34:31] <MadEchidna_> *ones[03:35:57] <OmniMancer> no I am on windows[03:36:06] <MadEchidna_> aw[03:36:15] <OmniMancer> some of the contrib ones from the official distro[03:36:15] <MadEchidna_> which squences you listen to[03:36:19] <MadEchidna_> oh[03:36:30] <MadEchidna_> I listened to some of the stuff in my small link :P[03:36:42] <OmniMancer> such as sonic-caffine[03:36:48] <OmniMancer> einstein[03:36:54] <OmniMancer> inspiration[03:36:57] <OmniMancer> those ones[03:37:22] <MadEchidna_> heh[03:37:26] <l_n> mmadia: you may want to check the current incarnation of libtoolize.. i had to correct where it thought sed and grep are[03:37:39] <mmadia> ... and grep?[03:37:44] <l_n> yep.[03:37:49] <l_n> it had /bin/grep[03:37:51] <OmniMancer> probably check where sed and grep are instead :P[03:38:18] <mmadia> /bin/sed for libtoolize is known to scottmc and others.[03:38:31] <l_n> it was easy enough to correct[03:38:50] <OmniMancer> do they live in /boot/common/bin?[03:38:57] <l_n> sed does.[03:38:59] <MadEchidna_> OmniMancer: Every time you boot Windows, JLG sheds a tear[03:39:01] <l_n> grep is /boot/system/bin[03:39:22] <OmniMancer> JLG?[03:39:25] <mmadia> l_n .... and doesn't /boot/system/bin resolve to /bin ?[03:39:43] <mmadia> so... where was libtoolize looking for it?[03:40:06] <l_n> ah, didn't see the /bin symlink[03:40:21] <l_n> n/m on grep[03:40:43] <OmniMancer> can't you link both /boot/system/bin and /boot/common/boot to /bin?[03:40:59] <l_n> OmniMancer: /bin is the symlink[03:41:04] <l_n> not /boot/system/bin[03:41:09] <MadEchidna_> <OmniMancer> JLG?[03:41:14] <MadEchidna_> the president of Be Inc :P[03:41:25] <OmniMancer> yes I have it the other way round since I am thinking the other way round[03:41:27] <l_n> /bin -> /boot/system/bin[03:41:33] <mmadia> i have no idea what the plan is for dealing with sed in relation to /bin (aka /boot/system/bin) vs. /boot/common/bin[03:41:41] <OmniMancer> make /bin resolver to a dir containing both other dirs contents?[03:42:10] <l_n> why not put sed in /boot/system/bin since it is used for so many different things that it could be considered a basic system utility[03:42:12] <l_n> ?[03:42:36] <Micc> wlanconfig doesn't seem to run. I double click it but nothing happens.[03:42:43] <mmadia> iirc, because it was recently pulled out of the repository and is no longer considered part of the system.[03:42:45] <OmniMancer> its a terminal program[03:42:49] <l_n> is it executable, Micc?[03:43:00] <OmniMancer> micc: it's a terminal program run interminal[03:43:03] <Micc> oh, its a command line ap.[03:43:14] <Micc> yeah it says I have 1 wlan device.[03:43:16] <l_n> yeah.. there's a frontend for it at http://www.haikuware.com[03:43:23] <l_n> wlanconfig scan[03:43:30] <l_n> wlanconfig <join> <ssid>[03:43:44] <l_n> or wlanconfig help[03:43:54] <Micc> I found it.[03:44:55] <l_n> is libsigsegv useful for anything other than clisp?[03:45:24] <OmniMancer> what does libsigsegv do?[03:45:39] <Micc> might help if I enabled my wlan card.[03:45:46] <OmniMancer> :P[03:45:59] <l_n> OmniMancer: makes clisp build ;)[03:46:05] <OmniMancer> sigh[03:46:08] <OmniMancer> other than that :P[03:46:14] <Micc> it didn't ask for a password[03:47:27] <l_n> it handles page faults in user mode.[03:48:29] <Micc> Didn't someone say wpa/wpa2 wasn't supported yet or was in testing. Didn't I get the testing one? wlanconfig_testing[03:49:55] <OmniMancer> Micc it won't since it doesn't do wpa[03:50:00] <OmniMancer> wep is in testing[03:50:15] <OmniMancer> but probably won't be done till the wifi stack is[03:50:19] <OmniMancer> which is being developed[03:51:43] <OmniMancer> wpa and wpa2 are being done with the wifi stack[03:52:18] <OmniMancer> you will have to wait or arrange for an unencrypted network[03:52:42] <Micc> I suppose I can try that.[03:52:52] <Micc> how long before you think a test version will be available?[03:53:23] <l_n> i think colin would be the one to ask about that.[03:53:39] <Micc> I wish wlanconfig would tell me which networks were unsecured.[03:53:50] <OmniMancer> also the config utility won't magically enable wpa since its required to be supported in the actual network stack[03:56:50] <OmniMancer> Micc: scan should tell you all that are unsecured[03:57:11] <OmniMancer> also it will be done when its done![04:01:16] <Micc> is haiku good enough now to use as my every day desktop?[04:01:25] <Micc> It seems really fast.[04:02:03] <AlienSoldier> Micc many do that now, but if you do you need to understand it's still alpha[04:02:22] <hdanak> what is the svn url for osdrawer.net?[04:02:27] <hdanak> for example for imkit[04:03:07] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[04:03:26] *** not_you has joined #haiku[04:04:02] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:04:16] <not_you> i must remember not to play with wlanconfig while connected to an AP[04:04:39] *** l_n has quit IRC[04:04:45] *** not_you is now known as l_n[04:04:45] <Micc> AlienSoldier, It seems like there is a lot of interest in it now and it might actually make it to be a real OS. I've been waiting for over a decade to be able to use it on a regular basis.[04:05:43] <AlienSoldier> anectodte, i was to start to use it full time, then bang the new revision stoped to work on my PC :)[04:06:34] <Micc> well, just find the nightly build that works for your machine and stick with it until you test the others.[04:07:06] <Micc> This is going to be a huge waste of time, but I love it.[04:07:17] <DraX> i actually might have testing wpa_supplicant soon[04:07:31] <DraX> colin thinks i can cheat without the desired notifications for now[04:07:33] <AlienSoldier> that is what i do, but the new browser need latest revision[04:07:40] <DraX> and while i don't particularly like it, i may try and implmenet it[04:08:11] <Micc> DraX, let me know if you get something I can test.[04:08:20] <OmniMancer1> DraX: how far is wifi stack![04:08:28] <DraX> *shrug*[04:11:58] <Micc> Haiku makes me sooo happy![04:12:36] <Micc> When Be Inc/BeOS died, part of me died with it.[04:13:36] <Micc> Now I feel like I can be me again.[04:13:48] <helf|laptop> too bad they asked too much when Apple was looking[04:13:57] <helf|laptop> would have been interesting to see what it would have become[04:14:23] <Micc> yeah, but I'm glad now that its open source.[04:14:29] <helf|laptop> its not[04:15:00] <Micc> oh, I thought haiku was open source or some derivative of it?[04:15:06] <helf|laptop> haiku is[04:15:08] <helf|laptop> but beos isnt :p[04:15:19] <helf|laptop> Haiku isnt beos. it just happens to be compatible with[04:15:20] <helf|laptop> heh[04:15:20] <Micc> yeah, thats what I meant. Haiku.[04:15:31] <helf|laptop> I can't wait for v1.0 of haiku[04:15:41] <Micc> yeah me too.[04:16:12] <Micc> BeOS was ahead of its time in some ways.[04:16:12] <l_n> has access ever been in contact with the haiku project?[04:16:30] <l_n> i have to wonder how closely the owners of the beos rights are watching this project.[04:17:15] <Micc> yeah, I wonder too. I hope there is no way they could shut down the project.[04:17:56] <l_n> afaik, there's no be code in haiku, so they can't do anything about a reimplementation[04:18:00] <Micc> They would have stopped it long before now if they had a problem with it. You would think anyways.[04:18:35] <Micc> l_n, but there are a lot of Be ideas in the UI and how it functions.[04:18:46] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[04:19:22] <Micc> as far as patent and copyright laws go, I think as long as you change something at least 10%, its considered new work.[04:20:08] <Micc> haiku is completely rewritten, so if the UI and other things are the same, its still way more than 10% different.[04:21:13] <Micc> I've been watching the haiku website for a long time, it seems like it hasn't changed in a long time, except for events. I didn't realize there were so many people involved with it.[04:21:33] <Micc> To see all these people in this irc channel is amazing to me.[04:23:49] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[04:30:07] <Micc> does nightly builds come with any media to see if my audio is working?[04:35:10] <l_n> MediaPlayer[04:35:58] <l_n> i don't think there are any audio files included, but you can easily get a few from oc remix[04:40:46] <OmniMancer1> or you could try MadEchidna_'s SDaGen binary :P[04:41:08] <OmniMancer1> also isn't this project similar in concept as far as rights go to the ReactOS project?[04:41:33] <l_n> i.e. clean room reverse engineering?[04:42:09] <OmniMancer1> isn't the clean room reverse engineering just to prove that they have no MS code in that?[04:42:18] <l_n> yeah, it is.[04:42:28] <OmniMancer1> I was thinking more that it's a reimplementation of a still licensed OS[04:42:40] <saivert> also why does it matter how they reverse engineered it?[04:42:54] <OmniMancer1> also if apple had bought Be it would probably be full of apple suck by now[04:42:56] <saivert> they patent the concept. not the specific implementation[04:43:02] <saivert> so you still can't use it commercially[04:43:04] <l_n> the US allows for clean room reverse engineering in developing something similar to an already existing thing.[04:43:19] <OmniMancer1> saivert: aren't patents an implementation[04:43:20] <OmniMancer1> ?[04:43:24] <OmniMancer1> not a concept[04:43:53] <saivert> all I'm saying is it wouldn't hold up in court[04:43:57] <l_n> US patent law allows for reverse engineering via a clean room environment.. that's the reason for that particular setup.[04:44:00] <saivert> even if you did clean room blah blah[04:44:25] <saivert> well then why don't more people make Windows clones then?[04:44:45] <OmniMancer1> otherwise I could think of a new type of software and patent the concept of that new type of software then no one would ever be able to implement a free thing that does what that software does since you patented the concept..?[04:44:58] <saivert> you can clone a lot of shit but doesn't mean you can sell it without getting a lawsuit[04:45:13] <OmniMancer1> saivert: because clean room RE is hard probably and microsoft will also give you flak[04:45:39] <OmniMancer1> the other thing is sine reactos is XP level only microsoft will soon cease to care very much[04:45:54] <saivert> hardly XP level[04:45:58] <saivert> try 2000[04:46:12] <OmniMancer1> what I mean is they are not trying to clone win7[04:46:17] <OmniMancer1> only up to xp capabilities[04:46:18] <saivert> well yeah..[04:46:32] <saivert> well Wine actually has visual styles support[04:46:35] <saivert> I tried it once[04:46:37] <OmniMancer1> so its now outdated windows and so microsoft will likely not give them much trouble[04:46:48] <OmniMancer1> Wine != reactos[04:47:04] <saivert> but reactos uses wine for the userland[04:49:34] *** l_n has quit IRC[04:51:05] *** tmpsaivert has joined #haiku[04:51:06] *** saivert has quit IRC[04:51:08] *** tmpsaivert is now known as saivert[04:52:18] *** jvff has quit IRC[04:54:29] <mmadia> Has anyone used Google Checkout ?[04:57:54] <OmniMancer1> bye for a bit[04:58:05] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[05:00:03] <MadEchidna_> mmadia I have why[05:00:06] <MadEchidna_> I have many times[05:00:11] <MadEchidna_> since I use Android[05:00:27] <mmadia> how's it compare to PayPal?[05:00:41] <MadEchidna_> I dunno, it works. I just use it and forget about it[05:00:49] <MadEchidna_> I don't have to think about it and I think that's the point[05:02:34] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[05:03:41] <CIA-45> scottmc * r664 /haikuports/trunk/dev-lang/perl/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Initial .bep file for perl, moved patches to patches directory.[05:08:26] <Micc> I'm outta here. see you guys later.[05:08:34] *** Micc has quit IRC[05:10:00] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[05:16:12] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: shiny calendar app? :)[05:24:07] <MadEchidna_> hey guys is it possible to get the extra decors as an add on?[05:24:19] <MadEchidna_> they're not in the nightlies[05:24:22] <MadEchidna_> mmadia[05:25:02] <mmadia> IRC logs: http://echelog.matzon.dk/[05:25:54] <mmadia> vinduv mentioned it a few hours ago.[05:27:42] <Skipp_OSX> so unproductive this weekend, I still can't get the layout kit to work for me...[05:27:59] <MadEchidna_> hm[05:29:41] <Skipp_OSX> I can't seem to get this to work: BView("test view", B_WILL_DRAW | B_FULL_UPDATE_ON_RESIZE), <-- keeps complaining that there isn't a BRect frame passed in[05:30:39] * JonathanThompson wonders why people think their little kids can act like animals at other people's houses with others there that don't have kids and that the kids have the right-of-way to be totally disruptive...[05:31:05] <Skipp_OSX> some how Ingo managed to get away with it in his test code though...[05:31:17] <JonathanThompson> Skipp_OSX: you're cursed![05:31:34] <JonathanThompson> Skipp_OSX: paste the code somewhere, let me take a look at it.[05:32:14] *** aldeck has quit IRC[05:34:47] <Skipp_OSX> here is the relavent code: http://haiku.pastebin.com/WZAQGPZy[05:35:50] * JonathanThompson looks[05:35:59] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[05:36:19] <Skipp_OSX> the commented code at the top is the old working code (draws some boxes) and everything after is the new and improved code...[05:36:44] <JonathanThompson> Which line has the error?[05:36:49] <Skipp_OSX> the new and improved code uses the layout kit classes to get its work done[05:36:58] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: no error, but nothing gets drawn[05:37:01] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[05:37:07] <JonathanThompson> Ah, ok...[05:37:18] * JonathanThompson has a suspicion.... goes to check...[05:37:44] <Skipp_OSX> I think it is because my BRect's I am passing in are of 0 size... so it is drawing 0 sized boxes, which of course you cannot see[05:38:41] <Skipp_OSX> but I am using http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/interface/layout/LayoutTest1.cpp as a guide and Ingo doesn't seem to pass in a BRect at all...[05:39:23] <JonathanThompson> Have you tried on a BeOS installation?[05:39:46] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: well, I am using the Layout Kit which doesn't exist in BeOS... so no[05:39:57] <JonathanThompson> Ah, ok...[05:41:21] <JonathanThompson> I take it B_ORIGIN is unique to Haiku?[05:43:21] <JonathanThompson> How many .End() statements are you supposed to have?[05:43:23] <JonathanThompson> Doe[05:43:24] <JonathanThompson> s the first[05:43:25] <JonathanThompson> part e[05:43:35] <JonathanThompson> before that .End() get drawn?[05:43:57] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: no it does not[05:44:08] <MadEchidna_> Oh the irony[05:44:19] <MadEchidna_> JLG wrote a blog post saying Palm is doomed[05:44:27] <JonathanThompson> I'm wondering if you take out the B_ORIGIN OffsetBy what will happen.[05:44:36] <MadEchidna_> http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/03/21/who-will-buy-palm/[05:45:24] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: you mean line 5 in the above pastebin'd code?[05:45:35] * JonathanThompson slaps Skipp_OSX silly for using a completely uninitialized BRect[05:46:03] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: well... I don't know what to do with it...[05:46:30] <JonathanThompson> Unless the layout stuff stuffs it, you need to stuff it: let me look at the other example code first.[05:50:00] <JonathanThompson> Skipp_OSX: I don't know what MonthDayView has yet, but BStringView needs a BRect[05:50:48] <JonathanThompson> I'm making a logical guess the example code you pointed out doesn't have the string "test description" show up, because of a zeroed BRect.[05:51:04] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: I agree... and MonthDayView is derived from BView which normally needs a BRect as well[05:51:58] * JonathanThompson wonders why he doesn't see Skipp_OSX's response despite hearing the noise from Colloquy saying his name was mentioned...[05:52:18] <JonathanThompson> The documentation for BSringView says the BRect must be big enough for the string to fit.[05:53:11] <JonathanThompson> Can you show me the code for MonthDayView, Skipp_OSX ?[05:53:19] <Skipp_OSX> sec[05:54:04] <JonathanThompson> Set that BRect to some meaningful non-zero value and run again.[05:55:49] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:57:47] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: here is a better look at MonthDayView http://haiku.pastebin.com/V3sPX7m8[05:58:50] <JonathanThompson> Ok, do what I said, choosing something reasonable.[05:59:18] <JonathanThompson> All your MonthDayView instances are all zero size right now, logically.[05:59:31] <JonathanThompson> Which absolutely isn't going to work.[05:59:45] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: okay I am trying that now... but I don't think it is going to work because I think the layout kit is suppose to set the size instead of the BRect somehow[06:00:15] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: I see rect to 200x200 so perhaps that'll make it do something[06:00:18] <JonathanThompson> I've not investigated what the layout kit does, but I suspect you at least need to start with a non-zero BRect.[06:00:46] * JonathanThompson currently has no method to test Haiku code...[06:01:49] <JonathanThompson> In AttachedToWindow() it calls Frame() which should be 0,0.[06:01:57] <JonathanThompson> And it resizes it...[06:02:05] <JonathanThompson> (I'm pretty sure that's what I'm reading)[06:02:29] <JonathanThompson> so, chances are that's what's going on: it's sizing it into the entered frame size.[06:02:56] <JonathanThompson> I also suspect Bounds() (long time since I checked) refers to that original frame size.[06:03:08] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: it does[06:03:22] <JonathanThompson> So, do that test yet?[06:03:40] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: yes, I tested it, no go[06:03:46] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: still nothing is showing up[06:03:51] <JonathanThompson> Try a smaller test sample.[06:04:29] <JonathanThompson> Try exactly one element at a time.[06:04:38] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:05:08] <JonathanThompson> What does AddGlue() do?[06:05:24] <OmniMancer> adds glue perhaps?[06:05:42] * JonathanThompson glues OmniMancer to his seat and seals his pants permanently[06:05:48] <Skipp_OSX> I really have no clue[06:06:00] <JonathanThompson> So, you have no clue about the glue?[06:06:06] <JonathanThompson> Hmmm....[06:06:07] <OmniMancer> what program?[06:06:11] <Skipp_OSX> I am guessing AddGlue() adds some sort of spacing... like glue in TeX[06:06:14] <JonathanThompson> ski[06:06:17] <JonathanThompson>[06:06:19] <JonathanThompson>[06:06:20] <JonathanThompson> sk[06:06:22] <JonathanThompson> p[06:06:23] <JonathanThompson>[06:06:24] <JonathanThompson>[06:06:25] <JonathanThompson> ski[06:06:31] * JonathanThompson screams[06:06:38] <JonathanThompson> Skipp_OSX's program.[06:06:39] <OmniMancer> halk of those chars don't exist in my font :P[06:06:54] <JonathanThompson> Colloquy is.... #&(%[06:07:00] <Skipp_OSX> look there is no Layout Kit docs so your only choice is to kind of guess through it[06:07:25] <OmniMancer> perhaps add glue makes the two things stick together?[06:07:38] <JonathanThompson> I would suggest you not use something that has no docs: your sanity will thank you for it ;)[06:07:51] <JonathanThompson> That's what I'm thinking, OmniMancer, but what are the semantics?[06:08:02] <OmniMancer> look at the code :)[06:08:08] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: no learning the layout kit is worth it, it'll make my life much easier once I figure it out[06:08:20] <JonathanThompson> Tells nothing useful without knowing the intention, OmniMancer :p[06:08:46] <Skipp_OSX> okay, I am giving up for the night[06:09:03] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you should file a bug for the docs :p[06:09:16] <Skipp_OSX> I am pretty sure that the secret is to somehow make a View that inherits from a BView but doesn't take a BRect[06:09:31] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: I am looking at the code[06:09:38] <JonathanThompson> Sooner or later you need to specify a BView...[06:09:49] <JonathanThompson> That is, a BRect.[06:10:14] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: look at http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/interface/layout/LayoutTest1.cpp line 56[06:10:40] <JonathanThompson> 56?[06:10:40] <Skipp_OSX> no BRect! that is what I need[06:11:48] <Skipp_OSX> but if I try to make a class like that the compiler has a fit and says, you can't make a BView without a BRect, are you crazy?[06:11:53] <JonathanThompson> Maybe that'll save your bacon :p[06:12:12] <Skipp_OSX> but... that code works, so there must be a way[06:12:12] <MadEchidna_> hey[06:12:19] <MadEchidna_> does anyone here have a duelboot with ubuntu?[06:12:24] <MadEchidna_> I lost my MBR backup[06:12:36] <MadEchidna_> and I can't boot directly from the Linux partition[06:13:00] <Skipp_OSX> okay, bedtime, I'll come back to this later, and despite this part not working I made some progress this weekend[06:13:06] <JonathanThompson> Let me check docs...[06:13:19] <JonathanThompson> Skipp_OSX: perhaps you need a newer build of Haiku.[06:13:53] <JonathanThompson> BView without a BRect without using a BMessage instead doesn't exist in BeOS.[06:14:16] <OmniMancer> MadEchidna_: two words: boot cd[06:14:46] <JonathanThompson> What's the latest version of Haiku, and what version do you have, Skipp_OSX ?[06:15:09] <JonathanThompson> Oh, I see that example code is more than old enough....[06:15:16] <OmniMancer> and the BMessage would need to have a BRect in it :P[06:15:19] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: my build is like a day old tops, that is not it[06:15:26] <MadEchidna_> OmniMancer: I don't have any blank cds[06:15:33] <JonathanThompson> Look at the View.h header file, Skipp_OSX[06:15:36] <MadEchidna_> I need to find something I can write to an SD card from Haiku[06:15:39] <OmniMancer> MadEchidna_: boot usb image[06:15:58] <OmniMancer> there are multitudes of those :P[06:16:10] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: but at least to me it appears that Ingo is creating a BView without a BRect somehow... pehaps he isn't[06:16:11] <OmniMancer> look for a knoppix anyboot image or something[06:16:24] <OmniMancer> also install grub to the linux partition mbr[06:16:32] <JonathanThompson> He is, Skipp_OSX, but again, look at your actual View.h.[06:16:50] <JonathanThompson> That test code is thousands of revisions old: perhaps he had that in there, and backed out the BView change it required?[06:16:53] <OmniMancer> partition br not mbr[06:17:06] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: yeah but I compiled the test and it works[06:17:25] <JonathanThompson> Well, I ask again: look at your View.h and tell me what you see.[06:17:32] <JonathanThompson> Heck, pastebin it.[06:18:57] <Skipp_OSX> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/headers/os/interface/View.h[06:19:01] <OmniMancer> yea[06:19:18] <OmniMancer> I think there may be another constructor there somehow[06:19:49] <JonathanThompson> I see a BView(const char* name, uint32 flags,[06:19:49] <Skipp_OSX> actually yeah, according to that header I should be able to create one[06:19:53] <JonathanThompson> 137 BLayout* layout = NULL);[06:19:58] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: yeah I am seeing the same thing[06:20:00] <OmniMancer> yea[06:20:05] <JonathanThompson> I suggest you've got possibly a path issue.[06:20:09] <OmniMancer> you can use that[06:21:06] <MadEchidna_> okay gunna try to boot DSL[06:21:07] <MadEchidna_> brb[06:21:38] <JonathanThompson> Do you have another View.h on that machine, Skipp_OSX ? Do a query to check sanity.[06:22:25] <JonathanThompson> What is the exact error message string you get?[06:23:23] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: no, no other View.h[06:23:34] <JonathanThompson> Very puzzling.[06:23:34] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: hold on, perhaps now I won't get one[06:23:42] <JonathanThompson> ?[06:23:50] *** prOSy has quit IRC[06:24:05] <JonathanThompson> I note you didn't put the full file with includes at the top for your pastebins.[06:25:40] *** MadEchidna_ has quit IRC[06:25:43] <OmniMancer> are you using the layout kits view.h?[06:26:02] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: uhhh, I am using the one that comes with the source...[06:26:39] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: okay, I now have a MonthDayView class that derives from a BView and has no BRect[06:26:41] <OmniMancer> oh this one is in interface[06:26:49] <OmniMancer> thought it was in layout for some reason :P[06:27:16] <Skipp_OSX> OmniMancer: I would certainly hope that BViews would be in the layout kit...[06:27:46] <OmniMancer> I thought there might be one in interface one in layout :P[06:28:28] <Skipp_OSX> okay, so I am happy for now, I got a view class that doesn't need a BRect... but I doubt that will make my boxes show up[06:28:53] <JonathanThompson> Try it![06:29:10] <Skipp_OSX> JonathanThompson: I just did, it didn't work[06:29:17] <JonathanThompson> Darn.[06:29:22] <Skipp_OSX> I am happy with that though for now... I really must go to sleep[06:29:40] <Skipp_OSX> I'll get it, I am pretty close now[06:30:20] <OmniMancer> SLEEEEEEEP![06:30:28] <JonathanThompson> Sleep, Locutus![06:31:05] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[06:31:09] * Disreali_ is away: sleep[06:31:21] <OmniMancer> now to setup my spare wifi router for unauthenticated unbroadcasted AP with no DHCP and a static IP[06:31:24] * JonathanThompson slaps Disreali_'s computer[06:33:28] *** Micc has joined #haiku[06:34:16] <Micc> I got the latest nightly build anyboot running on my netbook aspire one.[06:34:23] <Micc> The raw image didn't boot.[06:35:10] <Micc> The only funny thing so far is the screen resolution only has 640x480 and 800x600 when native resolution is 1024x768 I think.[06:35:39] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:36:28] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[06:38:38] <JonathanThompson> Sounds like lowest VESA detection, Micc[06:38:49] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:40:45] <Micc> Anything I can install to get native resolution?[06:41:15] <JonathanThompson> That entirely depends on your hardware and available drivers, or perhaps setting tweaks to files.[06:41:18] *** Sir_Gallantmon has quit IRC[06:41:35] <JonathanThompson> If you go to the Screen preference, does it give another option beyond 640*480?[06:41:45] <Micc> Its an acer aspire one netbook. a newer model.[06:42:07] <Micc> I believe the graphics chip is part of the processor. its an intel Atom N450[06:42:13] <JonathanThompson> I suspect it is going with the lowest common setting because it can't safely detect anything more: it may work with more, but didn't want to risk booting you into a blank screen.[06:42:25] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[06:43:02] <Micc> how can I force it to 1024x768?[06:43:48] <JonathanThompson> Does it give you an option in the Screen preference to change the resolution?[06:44:11] <Micc> no. just 800x600 and 640x480[06:45:04] <Micc> whats the link to the wlanconfig again?[06:45:07] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[06:45:10] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps 800*600 is the best the system will allow you to do: perhaps there's a settings file you can modify by hand.[06:45:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[06:45:17] <JonathanThompson> I don't know.[06:45:37] <JonathanThompson> But, I'd suggest doing a search on the haiku-os.org website for such things related to this.[06:45:56] <OmniMancer1> I get native resolution and nothing else :P[06:46:03] <OmniMancer1> it depends on what the graphics card reports as supported vesa modes[06:46:59] <CK|iPod> I still don't know why my Intel HD Audio doesn't work[06:47:07] <CK|iPod> Everything else does[06:47:09] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[06:47:09] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][06:47:17] <CK|iPod> Wifi, GPU, Trackpad[06:47:23] <CK|iPod> But no Sound[06:47:57] <OmniMancer1> :([06:48:13] <OmniMancer1> what part of the audio doesn't work?[06:48:24] <CK|iPod> Output[06:48:28] <JonathanThompson> The sound part :p[06:48:44] <CK|iPod> It is detected by Media[06:49:12] <CK|iPod> And my headphones play a crackle noise when I restart the media server[06:49:22] <CK|iPod> So I know it's doing something[06:49:32] <OmniMancer1> hmm[06:49:35] <CK|iPod> But both speakers and headphones[06:49:38] <CK|iPod> No sound[06:49:40] <OmniMancer1> not muted or something as idiotic as that?[06:49:44] <CK|iPod> No[06:49:47] <CK|iPod> Full vol[06:49:56] <CK|iPod> Messed around with it a lot[06:50:12] <CK|iPod> Works under Linux and Win 7[06:51:18] <CK|iPod> It shows up as "HD Audio" Without Opensound installed[06:51:33] <CK|iPod> Installing Opensound makes things work less[06:51:53] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[06:52:53] *** Sir_Gallantmon has joined #haiku[06:53:25] <OmniMancer1> ah[06:54:01] <OmniMancer1> that is unfun :([06:54:10] <CK|iPod> OmniMancer1: It's marked as working for others[06:54:32] <CK|iPod> But I noticed mine has Dell as the manufacture[06:54:43] <CK|iPod> So maybe a different pin config?[06:55:41] <CK|iPod> (I am using a Dell XPS Laptop m1730 btw)[06:57:00] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[06:58:32] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[07:01:13] *** Nozy has quit IRC[07:01:49] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[07:02:52] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[07:09:01] *** nighty has joined #haiku[07:09:38] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:09:39] *** nighty has quit IRC[07:09:56] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[07:11:19] *** Micc has quit IRC[07:17:30] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:22:50] *** Micc has joined #haiku[07:23:19] <OmniMancer> back :D[07:24:01] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:24:52] <Micc> Is there a file I can edit to tell haiku to let me try a different resolution? Or what directory has stuff about the screen?[07:24:54] <OmniMancer> oh in haiku is there any easy way I can have it connect to a certain unencrypted wireless network that isn't broadcasting an SSID?[07:25:32] <Micc> It says its using the VESA Driver[07:25:37] <OmniMancer> Micc: I think the screen settings are based on what the device reports as supported, don't think the VESA driver can forge resolutions[07:26:21] <Micc> So I need a new driver then?[07:27:05] <OmniMancer> what graphics card do you have?[07:28:04] <OmniMancer> ofcourse asking mmadia or mmu_screen or someone more knowledgeable than me would help[07:28:33] *** sprma has joined #haiku[07:28:58] *** fildon has joined #haiku[07:30:35] <Micc> I'm not sure what graphics card it is, I'm assuming its an intel on chip card. part of the atom processor[07:32:46] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[07:32:50] <OmniMancer> go listdev[07:33:01] <OmniMancer> in a terminal[07:33:23] <OmniMancer> also interpret my terrible english command go as type in and press enter :P[07:35:45] <Micc> N10 Family integrated graphics controller[07:36:22] <Micc> its an intel chipset[07:36:27] <Micc> mobile[07:37:44] <Micc> I think i'll have to wait till wifi has wpa2 and my graphics chip is supported.[07:38:02] <Micc> I'll just have to use ubuntu or windows 7 starter on this little guy for now.[07:38:16] <Micc> ubuntu seems to not like it very much either.[07:38:18] <OmniMancer> well you can use it in the mean time regardless[07:38:35] <OmniMancer> and wifi shouldn't be tooo far off[07:39:03] <OmniMancer> and your graphics card probably comes down to either having a driver for it which will let you select the native res[07:39:09] <Micc> yeah, I'm using it now. I'm always going to be thinking I could have a better resolution.[07:39:18] <OmniMancer> or the card is not actually reporting vesa modes right[07:39:23] <OmniMancer> which means spam intel[07:39:31] <Micc> that could be.[07:39:59] <Micc> its a relatively new machine. I'm sure someone smarter than me will figure it out soon.[07:40:17] <Micc> at least it works fine on my other laptop.[07:40:31] <Micc> I need to see how haiku runs on my desktop now.[07:40:39] <Micc> bbl[07:40:43] *** Micc has quit IRC[07:42:14] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:46:16] *** hdanak has quit IRC[07:52:16] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[07:54:17] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[07:58:45] *** sprma has quit IRC[08:00:37] *** kitallis has quit IRC[08:02:07] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:03:54] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:04:28] *** Micc has joined #haiku[08:07:31] <Micc> Is there a flash plugin for the browser?[08:09:48] <DraX> there's gnash[08:09:56] <DraX> which isn't amazing but works for a lot of the important stuff[08:11:11] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:13:04] <Micc> Is there anyplace I can get some better fonts? 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IRC[14:55:58] <keiichidono> [BUG] SOURCE: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/irc PROBLEM: Main IRC channel (English) links to irc://irc.freenode.net/%23haiku[14:56:40] <mmu_man> and ?[14:56:54] <mmu_man> %23 is the # char[14:56:57] <mmu_man> it's optional though[14:57:19] <mmu_man> maybe your client doesn't understand it ?[14:57:30] <mmu_man> seems the irc uri scheme isn't really normalized though[14:58:12] <keiichidono> I'm using mIRC on Windows 7 and it joined me to %23haiku instead of haiku.[14:58:19] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[14:58:27] *** wildur has joined #haiku[14:59:31] <Kokito> good morning folks[15:00:26] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:00:46] <stargater> Kokito, hi[15:01:01] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[15:01:18] <stargater> Kokito, i have question on you :-)[15:01:25] <Kokito> shoot stargater[15:01:30] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:01:37] <keiichidono> I'm wondering. How different is Haiku/BeOS from AROS/AmigaOS. How different is Haiku from any other operating system?[15:01:51] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[15:01:54] <oZ]> That's a huge question.[15:02:21] * largo idles and watches the discussion... (^_^)[15:02:29] <stargater> Kokito, i see on haiku-os.org some good documents, it is hard to make a funktion drupal, 1) print fendly view 2) save a PDF[15:03:04] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:03:24] <Kokito> stargater, it should be fairly easy[15:04:05] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[15:04:24] *** genki has joined #haiku[15:05:23] <mmu_man> keiichidono then ask mIRC to fix their client ;)[15:05:30] <mmu_man> Kokito:[15:05:34] <mmu_man> [14:58] <keiichidono> [BUG] SOURCE: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/irc PROBLEM: Main IRC channel (English) links to irc://irc.freenode.net/%23haiku[15:05:46] <mmu_man> seems mIRC fails to handle the %23 = #[15:06:00] <mmu_man> it is optional anyway, maybe we should just drop it from tyhe link ?[15:06:11] <keiichidono> I support that.[15:06:38] <Kokito> yes mmu_man?[15:07:16] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[15:07:17] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[15:07:20] <mmu_man> keiichidono BeOS and Haiku are closer to Unix, it has protected and virtual memory, almost POSIX API, but it's still different enough to be fun :)[15:07:23] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:07:35] <mmu_man> Kokito or mmadia maybe, anyone can edit the page to remove the %23 ?[15:09:07] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:09:10] <keiichidono> mmu_man <Fab1> amigaos has an api that prevents it from getting memory spaces and stuff, and beos has a c++ api that f***s it up everytime :)[15:09:10] <keiichidono> <Fab1> the worst idea ever: c++ api :)[15:09:18] <kieselsteini> is Haiku capable of using two screens?![15:09:30] <keiichidono> From #AROS, explain please.[15:10:22] <mmu_man> C++ is not so bad :p[15:10:40] <mmu_man> kieselsteini not yet, well, appart some drivers which can clone the screens[15:11:09] <mmu_man> or join them, but the app_server still misses some support[15:11:31] <Viggo-Dratnev> as long as you ditch almost everything but the basic parts of the object oriented part ;)[15:11:42] *** david3 has joined #haiku[15:11:47] <kieselsteini> mmu_man thanks...[15:12:00] <mmu_man> you can send a patch ;)[15:12:15] <kieselsteini> I put my T500 in the docking station but I don't see a clone of my display (which would be enough atm) *g[15:13:33] <kieselsteini> mmu_man I'm capable of C++ (just porting Transmission to Haiku) but I've zero experience with kernel hacking :D[15:14:18] <oZ]> kieselsteini: I'm considering picking up a W500. How do you feel about the size of your T500?[15:15:00] <kieselsteini> well it's good, not utra portable but portable enought[15:15:03] *** gwenael_ has joined #haiku[15:15:05] *** HeTo_ has joined #haiku[15:15:25] *** ivoire_ has joined #haiku[15:15:36] <kieselsteini> I had no great choice because my boss decided which notebook should be bought :)[15:15:51] *** stpere_ has joined #haiku[15:16:53] <oZ]> well, i always find thinkpad to be a good option, but i'm wondering if i'm going to be annoyed by 1.3" in thickness, compared to the 0.9" of my macbook. heh.[15:16:55] *** ivoire_ has quit IRC[15:16:55] *** ivoire_ has joined #haiku[15:17:08] *** wildur has quit IRC[15:17:26] *** ivoire has quit IRC[15:17:31] *** ivoire_ is now known as ivoire[15:18:06] <kieselsteini> well compared to my MacBook the T500 is like a ugly brick :D[15:18:27] <kieselsteini> btw. where can I find the current WebPositive builds? I just forgot the URL and don't find anything in Google[15:19:25] <Kokito> keiichidono http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies/index.html[15:20:20] *** david2 has quit IRC[15:20:21] *** {V}_ has quit IRC[15:20:21] *** gwenael has quit IRC[15:20:22] *** HeTo has quit IRC[15:20:22] *** stpere has quit IRC[15:20:44] <kieselsteini> Kokito thanks[15:22:13] <mmu_man> kieselsteini Transmission already had a BeOS GUI long ago[15:22:41] <mmadia> mmu_man : that gui was frmo 0.7x days and stopped working before 1.x[15:22:42] <kieselsteini> mmu_man yes that Qt based stuff[15:22:43] <mmu_man> kieselsteini the kernel just has some bits in C++[15:22:57] <mmu_man> kieselsteini no, the BeAPI is different[15:23:14] <mmu_man> actually wasn't Transmission written on BeOs first ? ;)[15:23:26] <kieselsteini> heh I don't know[15:23:32] <mmadia> titer or bryanv may know better :)[15:23:37] <mmu_man> Handbrake was, for ex[15:23:43] <kieselsteini> I thought it would be a good practice for me to learn the BeOS API[15:23:55] <mmadia> and Transmission now has a very nice RPC, so writing a gui should be easier.[15:24:42] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_haiku[15:25:03] <kieselsteini> well I hope I've something to show until Begeistert[15:26:08] *** {V}_ has joined #haiku[15:30:18] *** alex_ has joined #haiku[15:31:17] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[15:34:08] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[15:34:18] <kieselsteini> brb booting to linux[15:34:21] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[15:34:26] *** HeTo_ is now known as HeTo[15:34:36] *** rennj-be has joined #haiku[15:36:22] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:37:51] *** alex_ has quit IRC[15:40:51] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[15:41:28] *** timezer0 has quit IRC[15:42:34] <CIA-45> stippi * r35929 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/showimage/ (8 files):[15:42:34] <CIA-45> Patch by mt. Localization and conversion to use the layout API with coding style[15:42:34] <CIA-45> fixes along the way. Thanks a lot! Fixes #5563.[15:43:07] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:44:37] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:46:21] *** Ola has joined #haiku[15:46:49] *** Ola is now known as Guest58832[15:46:58] *** Guest58832 is now known as OlaHughson[15:48:51] <keiichidono> Can haiku play 720p/1080p video? If so, minimum requrements?[15:58:57] *** wildur has joined #haiku[16:02:32] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[16:04:16] *** arjen_ has joined #haiku[16:05:48] *** willll has joined #haiku[16:10:27] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[16:10:41] *** arjen_ has quit IRC[16:12:41] *** genki has quit IRC[16:12:42] *** saivert has quit IRC[16:16:37] *** wildur has quit IRC[16:17:23] *** genkie has joined #haiku[16:18:53] *** saivert has joined #haiku[16:20:50] *** Armin has joined #haiku[16:21:45] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[16:21:56] *** Armin is now known as Arminhs[16:22:03] *** n9986 has quit IRC[16:23:03] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[16:24:29] *** Arminhs has left #haiku[16:25:23] <mmadia_haiku> this is a bit random, but does Haiku still need one of those large files to allow midi playback?[16:26:18] *** Arminhs has joined #haiku[16:26:32] *** Arminhs has left #haiku[16:27:31] *** margiolas has quit IRC[16:27:40] <Viggo-Dratnev> mmadia_haiku: an educated guess would be yes[16:32:38] *** e-jones has quit IRC[16:34:33] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[16:35:56] *** Viggo-Dratnev has quit IRC[16:37:41] *** arminhs has joined #haiku[16:38:50] *** arminhs has left #haiku[16:39:17] *** mmlr_e71 has joined #haiku[16:39:52] *** arminhs has joined #haiku[16:40:02] *** arminhs has left #haiku[16:43:46] *** impy has joined #haiku[16:46:28] *** Viggo-Dratnev has joined #haiku[16:48:27] *** aldeck has quit IRC[16:48:52] *** impy has quit IRC[16:52:19] *** impy has joined #haiku[16:53:04] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[16:54:16] *** rennj-be has quit IRC[16:55:33] *** Viggo-Dratnev has quit IRC[16:56:47] <CIA-45> stippi * r337 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/ (DownloadWindow.cpp DownloadWindow.h): Converted to Haiku coding style.[17:00:05] *** impy has quit IRC[17:01:22] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[17:02:06] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:02:47] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:06:07] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[17:06:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[17:06:35] *** impy has joined #haiku[17:07:00] *** noldsel has quit IRC[17:07:45] *** impy has quit IRC[17:09:51] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:12:32] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[17:12:53] <keiichidono> <keiichidono> Can haiku play 720p/1080p video? If so, minimum requrements?[17:13:01] *** keiichidono has quit IRC[17:13:55] *** keiichidono has joined #haiku[17:14:12] <martinhpedersen> Yeah, my Pentium III 2GHz does 720p and 1080p in Haiku:)[17:14:43] <keiichidono> Can you give me some information about the video, is it h264 etc.[17:15:05] <HeTo> 2GHz Pentium III? o_O[17:15:09] <HeTo> how do you cool it?[17:15:35] <martinhpedersen> Hehe, guess I meant P4;p[17:15:52] <helf> HeTo, I run a 1.8ghz p3 :p[17:15:59] <helf> cooling it with a big copper heatsink and fan[17:16:27] <martinhpedersen> keiichidono don't have the files here:/[17:16:45] <genkie> are they online?[17:17:12] <genkie> i'd like to test this too[17:17:14] <martinhpedersen> mkv files, but that doesn't help u much I?:p[17:17:34] *** mmlr_e71 has quit IRC[17:17:41] <martinhpedersen> genkie, you meen the files?[17:17:45] <genkie> yes[17:18:09] <HeTo> 1080p h.264 on a single P4 sounds more than impressive[17:18:50] <martinhpedersen> I was shocked when I first tested it;p[17:18:50] <HeTo> on a single 2GHz P4, that is[17:19:10] <martinhpedersen> it is a single 2GHz[17:19:24] <helf> what core?[17:19:26] <helf> willamette?[17:19:28] <helf> or northwood?[17:19:41] <helf> and are you sure its not dropping any frames and playing at 100% speed?[17:21:09] <martinhpedersen> I don't remember what video I tested, some bluray rip I guess... If I remember correctly it dropped some frames on 1080p, 720p work like a charm:)[17:21:36] *** genkie has quit IRC[17:22:09] <martinhpedersen> Let me recheck for u, fire up the machine... brb[17:26:20] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[17:28:53] <martinhpedersen> How can I get information about the clip I[17:28:59] <martinhpedersen> m playing in vlc?;p[17:31:03] *** lassiethebrave has joined #haiku[17:31:11] *** taibo has quit IRC[17:32:20] *** fly-away has quit IRC[17:34:50] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, open the file in MediaPlayer and do MediaPlayer > File info...[17:35:08] *** Micc_ has joined #haiku[17:36:46] <martinhpedersen> Hmmm... MediaPlayer crashes when I try to open the file;p[17:37:18] *** ragcsee has joined #haiku[17:37:21] <Kokito> ouch >([17:37:40] <martinhpedersen> hehe;p[17:38:22] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:41:11] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:41:21] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, you may still be able top open the File info... window after MediaPlayer crashes[17:42:21] *** ragcsi has quit IRC[17:42:25] <Kokito> if that does not work, then open the file in MediaConverter[17:43:40] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[17:43:41] *** Negr0o has joined #haiku[17:43:45] <Negr0o> hi @ all[17:44:13] <keiichidono> Hi.[17:44:40] <Negr0o> knows some if there is a compilere expresio for asking for the compiler version? Something like #if GCC_VERSIOn <= 2 .... .... else .... endif[17:46:03] <martinhpedersen> Ahh, thanks Kokito:)[17:46:14] *** kamenoko has joined #haiku[17:46:50] <martinhpedersen> I was wrong about being able to play 1080p;p Guess I remembered wrong... but 720p plays smoothly![17:47:17] *** Micc_ has quit IRC[17:47:34] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:48:25] <kamenoko> does someone have an alternative download link for gnash, the page it was hosted on don't worky no more[17:48:50] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:50:03] <Kokito> kamenoko, I think you can find Gnash on Haikuware.com[17:50:31] <kamenoko> it links to the same site i'm afraid[17:50:49] *** gwenael_ is now known as gwenael[17:50:58] *** Engleek has joined #haiku[17:52:10] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[17:52:20] <keiichidono> Info on the 720p file?[17:52:30] <martinhpedersen> 2 sec:)[17:52:56] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[17:54:02] <martinhpedersen> From MediaConverter:[17:54:15] <martinhpedersen> AVC (h264)[17:54:25] <martinhpedersen> 1280x720 23 fps[17:54:38] <martinhpedersen> AC-3 16 bit 6 channel audio[17:54:41] <martinhpedersen> :)[17:54:57] *** Masquerade has quit IRC[17:56:19] <Kokito> in that case, I don't know kamenoko :)[17:56:26] <keiichidono> Thanks.[17:56:33] <martinhpedersen> np[17:56:33] <Kokito> maybe you can post a comment on Haikuware, so that they become aware of the problem[17:56:45] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[17:57:57] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[17:58:01] <kamenoko> I shall do so, and on an unrelated note, I love this operating system. I think I might just marry it.[17:58:25] <Kokito> cool kamenoko :)[17:59:43] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:59:44] *** PasNox has quit IRC[18:00:42] *** wildur has joined #haiku[18:01:14] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:01:28] <CIA-45> stippi * r338 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/support/ (SettingsMessage.cpp SettingsMessage.h):[18:01:28] <CIA-45> Added support for attaching listeners to the SettingsMessage, to be notified[18:01:28] <CIA-45> when a named value changes.[18:04:03] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[18:07:45] <CIA-45> stippi * r339 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/ (DownloadWindow.h support/SettingsMessage.cpp): Add the value to the notification message as well.[18:08:25] <CIA-45> stippi * r340 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/DownloadWindow.h: Whoops... should not have been part of the commit...[18:08:45] *** genkie has joined #haiku[18:13:21] *** saivert has quit IRC[18:14:45] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:15:56] <kamenoko> 15 years of using the internet, and I can't see a download now button.[18:16:05] <kamenoko> I fail at life[18:17:07] *** Masquerade has joined #haiku[18:19:49] *** saivert has joined #haiku[18:23:33] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:25:50] <keiichidono> Not your fault.[18:26:12] <keiichidono> The website has two search boxes. Reading from left the right you saw and used the first one you saw.[18:26:27] <keiichidono> Found a link to something about gnash and ended up at the website.[18:26:42] <keiichidono> The searchbox on the right of the page is how you find software.[18:26:55] <keiichidono> With "Download" next to the title.[18:29:41] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:31:57] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[18:33:30] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[18:34:41] <kieselsteini> hi[18:34:52] <kitallis> hi[18:35:10] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[18:35:13] *** aldeck has quit IRC[18:37:08] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[18:37:25] *** helf has quit IRC[18:39:45] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:40:32] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[18:41:46] *** keiichidono has quit IRC[18:42:14] <kirilla> hey[18:43:48] <kamenoko> na[18:43:56] *** helf has joined #haiku[18:44:20] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[18:44:25] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:44:48] <kirilla> "I fail at life" :))[18:44:56] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[18:45:22] <kamenoko> really, fooled by a giant "Download Now" button under the title[18:45:35] <kamenoko> i should turn in my license to internet[18:45:39] <kirilla> heh[18:45:42] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[18:45:56] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:46:00] <kamenoko> the grander irony, i can't get it to work[18:46:13] <kamenoko> complaining about missing deps[18:46:15] <kirilla> think of all the cool things real life has to offer.. like recording movies on can put on youtube[18:46:32] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[18:46:42] <kamenoko> real life has boobies in three dimensions[18:46:51] <kamenoko> therefore real life > internet[18:46:55] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[18:47:34] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[18:47:40] <kamenoko> haha, 4 dimensions[18:47:42] <kirilla> less sugar though[18:49:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:49:36] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:49:57] <kirilla> today's real life specials are:.. laundry night .. and.. no cash and 3 days left to pay day :P[18:50:12] <kamenoko> i'm the same way except for laundry night[18:50:18] *** arun_ has joined #haiku[18:50:19] <kamenoko> i have no cash for that either[18:50:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:50:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:51:25] *** kieselsteini is now known as kieselsteini|awa[18:52:34] <kamenoko> life is good as long as the honeycombs hold out[18:53:08] *** david3 has quit IRC[18:55:52] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[18:56:08] <Anarchos> are audio drivers installed by default on nightly builds ?*[18:57:16] <luroh> yes, but not the opensound ones[18:57:30] <Anarchos> i need the ichaudio[18:58:22] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[18:58:41] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[19:00:06] <kamenoko> bai bai[19:00:10] *** kamenoko has quit IRC[19:01:00] <luroh> Anarchos: there is one included by default, iirc[19:01:07] <Anarchos> luroh i see them in the source tree but not in my /dev folder[19:01:26] <Anarchos> luroh and my media panel does not expose it to me[19:01:28] <luroh> hm[19:02:11] <Anarchos> luroh i booted in debug mode and i don't see the lines of initializing audio drivers[19:02:22] <luroh> there should be a link to it in system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/audio/hmulti[19:02:50] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:03:29] <Anarchos> luroh a link to what ?[19:03:38] <luroh> to the auich driver[19:04:11] <Anarchos> yes i have one[19:05:58] <Anarchos> luroh how to test if it initializes correctly ?[19:06:08] <luroh> i don't know if the opensound package contains an ich driver, but i'd certainly give that a try[19:06:26] *** Micc_ has joined #haiku[19:06:50] <luroh> if the driver is loaded, you should see it in media prefs[19:07:12] <Anarchos> luroh listdev gives :" device 24c5: 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller"[19:07:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:08:28] <luroh> try renaming the mentioned auich link (to prevent any possible driver collisions) and install the opensound package[19:08:33] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:08:44] <Anarchos> luroh where can i find it ?[19:09:45] <luroh> Anarchos: installoptionalpackage -a OpenSound[19:10:22] *** david3 has joined #haiku[19:12:37] *** Micc_ has quit IRC[19:17:17] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:22:39] *** genkie has quit IRC[19:22:52] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:23:53] *** spvensko_ has quit IRC[19:24:20] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:25:01] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:28:47] *** Negr0o has quit IRC[19:31:03] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:31:37] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[19:31:59] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35930 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated BeZillaBrowser & NetSurf with InstallSourceArchive commands.[19:33:00] *** Micc_ has joined #haiku[19:33:32] *** impy has joined #haiku[19:36:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:36:48] <Ingenu> JonathanThompson: ?[19:37:21] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:37:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:37:21] *** lassiethebrave has quit IRC[19:37:26] <Ingenu> pings JonathanThompson[19:38:33] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35931 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp:[19:38:33] <CIA-45> Removed the comments regarding wifi copyrights. Now that the information is[19:38:33] <CIA-45> recorded as part of the revision history, they can be removed.[19:38:44] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:39:20] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:39:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:40:57] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:42:40] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[19:43:04] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[19:44:29] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[19:46:14] <hUMUNGUs> when trying to boot Haiku from CD i get "Could not read block 16387: byteRead -1, error: Device seek error ! Thats because of the SATA thingy ?[19:47:07] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[19:47:11] <hUMUNGUs> Turning off DMA and most stuff in Bootman gets me further but stops at the last icon[19:51:09] <MrSunshine> stop writing in bold ffs[19:51:10] <Ingenu> bold hUMUNGUs[19:51:17] <hUMUNGUs> ?[19:51:22] <Ingenu> hey[19:51:22] <MrSunshine> hUMUNGUs, your text is in bold[19:51:25] <DHowett> Maybe it's his client?[19:51:35] <hUMUNGUs> it is ? sorry.. gonna fix it[19:51:47] <Ingenu> you write in bold indeed[19:52:04] <MrSunshine> DHowett, true =)[19:52:07] <DHowett> that's a pretty bold statement to mame[19:52:09] <DHowett> to make*[19:52:48] <hUMUNGUs> what about now ?[19:52:53] <MrSunshine> nop still bold =)[19:53:00] <hUMUNGUs> hmm..[19:53:06] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:53:11] <MrSunshine> ough macos .. :P[19:53:12] <hUMUNGUs> gotta be Collaquy[19:53:17] <hUMUNGUs> :-)[19:53:18] <MrSunshine> golloquy ?[19:53:18] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:53:18] <kirilla> odd[19:53:28] <hUMUNGUs> the irc client[19:53:36] <oZ]> Oh, Colloquy.[19:53:40] <oZ]> It shouldn't bold you by default.[19:53:47] <kirilla> reconnect?[19:53:52] <hUMUNGUs> i know! ..reconnect[19:53:55] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[19:54:07] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:54:11] <hUMUNGUs> now ?[19:54:16] <kirilla> not bold[19:54:20] <hUMUNGUs> goody![19:54:26] <kirilla> thanks hUMUNGUs[19:54:29] <hUMUNGUs> np[19:54:40] <MrSunshine> Need to emphasize something? Hit ⌘B, ⌘U or ⌘I to respectively make things bold, underlined, or italicized. Alternately, select Font in the Menubar and then select the style you wish to add.[19:54:42] <kirilla> I didn't know irc did bold[19:54:43] <hUMUNGUs> anyone got a clue about the booting problem ? device seek error[19:54:47] <MrSunshine> fixed :P[19:54:52] <MrSunshine> incase you managed to hit one of those? :)[19:55:12] <hUMUNGUs> MrSunshine: could be.. dunno[19:55:21] * JonathanThompson poits DHowett[19:56:41] *** kieselsteini|awa is now known as kieselsteini[19:56:55] <hUMUNGUs> Arg! Safe Mode gae me: PANIC: did not find any boot partitions[19:57:01] <JonathanThompson> What's the question, Ingenu ?[19:57:10] *** kitallis has quit IRC[19:57:26] <Ingenu> no question[19:57:35] *** spvensko_ has quit IRC[19:57:37] <Ingenu> just lovely code[19:57:57] <JonathanThompson> Which language? :D[19:58:05] <Ingenu> you gotta have balls to write that[19:58:07] <Ingenu> C++[19:58:15] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[19:58:21] <Ingenu> I think it's grand[19:58:31] <JonathanThompson> The original line is not valid C++ ;)[19:58:32] <kirilla> heh[19:58:33] <Ingenu> and we have plenty of those[19:58:35] <Ingenu> oh[19:58:40] <JonathanThompson> O[19:58:41] <JonathanThompson> h, I[19:58:44] <JonathanThompson> was[19:58:45] <JonathanThompson> a[19:58:46] <JonathanThompson> dding the[19:58:48] <JonathanThompson> descrip[19:58:49] <JonathanThompson> tion as part[19:58:50] <JonathanThompson> of the co[19:58:51] <JonathanThompson> e[19:58:52] <DHowett> JonathanThompson: ![19:58:56] <JonathanThompson> de[19:58:57] <Ingenu> we got BAFTA best RTS friday[19:59:08] * JonathanThompson curses Colloquy once more[19:59:25] <JonathanThompson> I was NOT entering all those line breaks/carriage returns![19:59:48] <DHowett> what a bizarre client[19:59:55] * MrSunshine likes classes that is final[19:59:59] <JonathanThompson> Incredibly so.[20:00:07] <MrSunshine> like BMessage, not a single virtual function, makes binding sooo much easier =)[20:00:09] <DHowett> It does things randomly that don't make sense, such as defaulting to bold, and inserting CRs[20:00:21] <DHowett> And for me, it occasionally stops accepting backspace[20:01:56] <JonathanThompson> Nice to know I'm not the only one, DHowett :p[20:02:31] <oZ]> I just started using Adium for IRC instead. :)[20:03:00] <DHowett> I am using adium for IRC now, but… it's really not suited for IRC[20:03:11] <DHowett> to be perfectly honest, IM clients should not ever double as IRC clients[20:03:14] <JonathanThompson> Based on observed behavior, I have to guess Colloquy has timers running entirely in the GUI thread and everything is run from within the same thread.[20:03:23] <Ingenu> fine on iPhone sofar[20:03:25] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[20:03:37] <JonathanThompson> Ingenu: they must have made some horrible mistakes ;)[20:03:53] <JonathanThompson> (They didn't preserve the character of the Mac client!)[20:05:08] <oZ]> DHowett: I used to agree with you, but having it in Adium is the only thing that reminds me to log into IRC anymore. ;)[20:05:24] *** spvensko_ has quit IRC[20:05:30] <DHowett> oZ]: heh, same. that's the only reason I'm doing this[20:05:34] <Ingenu> auto start IRC app ?[20:05:35] <DHowett> otherwise, i disappear for weeks[20:07:07] <oZ]> Ingenu: I hate autostarting anything. ;)[20:07:18] *** kazaa_lite has left #haiku[20:07:19] <oZ]> But, I'm getting crotchety.[20:07:22] <oZ]> Get off my lawn. :)[20:07:32] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:07:54] <Ingenu> computer = doing automatism for you[20:08:10] <Ingenu> sounds weird not to use them for what they are meant to[20:08:15] <Ingenu> to some extent[20:09:02] <oZ]> In some cases. Anything that involves my "presence", I don't auto start. I'll chat when I'm ready. :)[20:09:20] *** KristianMartell has joined #haiku[20:09:31] <KristianMartell> martinhpedersen :))[20:09:50] <Ingenu> don't you start your comp when you're there ?[20:10:36] <martinhpedersen> KristianMartell :)[20:12:22] <Ingenu> i[20:12:24] <Ingenu> Ingenu:[20:12:33] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[20:12:34] <Ingenu> :p[20:13:47] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[20:14:04] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[20:15:34] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, looks like you have competition :)[20:17:25] <JonathanThompson> Talking to yourself again, Ingenu ?[20:17:26] <DraX> martinhpedersen: yay open in tab support \o/[20:17:27] <hUMUNGUs> martinhpedersen: jævla connection her i dag.. står til ?[20:18:05] * JonathanThompson wonders perhaps if Ingenu is doing his Tarzan mutation impression instead[20:19:16] <Ingenu> :p[20:19:35] <Ingenu> me Ingenu, you JonathanThompson[20:19:45] <JonathanThompson> There we go! :D[20:28:35] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[20:29:55] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[20:31:29] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[20:31:49] <MadEchidna> does anyone have a duelboot with Ubuntu and Haiku?[20:31:59] <MadEchidna> I need an MBR backup <_<[20:32:24] *** Micc__ has joined #haiku[20:33:43] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[20:34:13] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:34:54] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[20:34:54] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[20:35:53] <kirilla> MadEchidna: do you need to make changes to your boot manager?[20:36:16] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[20:37:46] *** Micc_ has quit IRC[20:38:17] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[20:38:17] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[20:38:46] <MadEchidna> kirilla: yeah[20:38:53] <MadEchidna> my ext4 partiton isn't bootable[20:39:00] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[20:39:07] <MadEchidna> so as much as I hate to word it this way, I'm stuck in Haiku :P[20:39:27] <kirilla> what's on your MBR now?[20:39:32] <MadEchidna> Bootman[20:39:40] <kirilla> and you want grub back?[20:39:44] <MadEchidna> yep[20:39:54] <MadEchidna> I tried re-installing it from a live cd but I still get bootman[20:39:58] <kirilla> bootman may have saved a copy of your old mbr somewhere[20:40:10] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[20:40:12] <MadEchidna> so ideally I'd like a backup image from bootman from someone who is duelbooting[20:40:15] <kirilla> if you let it[20:40:48] <kirilla> I'm not sure that works[20:41:03] <MadEchidna> well, I've got to figure out something :([20:41:05] <kirilla> there may be settings stored within the MBR which are different[20:41:11] *** leszek has joined #haiku[20:41:17] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[20:41:27] <MadEchidna> and on top of that, I don't have any blank CDs[20:41:35] <leszek> re[20:41:47] <MadEchidna> and EVERY FREAKING LINUX DISTRO IS LIKE oh, easy, just RUN THIS PROGRAM TO MAKE A LIVE USB[20:41:56] <MadEchidna> like, wow, would it KILL YOU to release IMG files?[20:42:06] <MadEchidna> Because everyone has access to Windows or Linux constantly right[20:42:28] <oZ]> I agree completely.[20:42:32] <kirilla> MadEchidna: I'm guessing your linux distro uses Grub 2(or whatever its called)[20:42:40] <MadEchidna> yeah[20:42:48] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[20:43:00] <kirilla> I wonder if grub 2 fits on a floppy[20:43:08] <MadEchidna> I don't have a floppy drive[20:43:18] <kirilla> if you can boot grub from whatever media, you could likley fix your MBR[20:44:08] <MadEchidna> I'm downloading ubuntu 10.04, I'm going to try to write that to my SD card the same way I did with Haiku[20:44:23] <MadEchidna> it already worked with Arch Linux but my head spun :P[20:44:57] <MadEchidna> arch seems to require that you write all the system config files from scratch >_>[20:45:05] <leszek> hehe[20:45:05] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[20:45:11] <leszek> MadEchidna, you know zevenos ?[20:45:56] <MadEchidna> lawl zevenos[20:45:57] <MadEchidna> yes I do[20:46:07] <MadEchidna> I even wrote to Bernd Korz about it[20:46:30] <leszek> xD[20:46:58] <leszek> works better than ubuntu 10.04 beta :P[20:47:02] <MadEchidna> psh[20:47:12] <kirilla> MadEchidna: there's a part in this old document which could possibly still apply to Grub 2.. the part where you tell grub where to look for its config ("root") and where to install ("setup")[20:47:15] <MadEchidna> it's just Ubuntu with an XFCE theme[20:47:16] <kirilla> MadEchidna: http://www.atheos.cx/download/0.3.7/base/install.txt[20:47:22] <MadEchidna> kirilla: I did that[20:47:25] <MadEchidna> several times :([20:47:29] <kirilla> MadEchidna: oh, sorry[20:47:34] <MadEchidna> also, did you ever get your build working with decors?[20:47:47] *** tgunr has joined #haiku[20:47:48] *** tgunr has quit IRC[20:47:50] *** DHowett has left #haiku[20:47:52] <kirilla> MadEchidna: yes I think so, but I forgot to test it[20:47:52] <MadEchidna> I asked mmadia about it and he reffered me to an archive where I was talking to you about it :P[20:47:57] <MadEchidna> :[20:47:58] *** tgunr has joined #haiku[20:48:02] *** Engleek has quit IRC[20:48:03] <MadEchidna> I wanna test it :3[20:48:04] <kirilla> gotta run to the laundry :P ttyl MadEchidna[20:48:13] <MadEchidna> aw okay[20:48:34] <leszek> MadEchidna, no xfce theme as it is using sawfish, and magi + magi2 + encode are cool apps. No other linux distro ship with those :P[20:48:35] *** Engleek has joined #haiku[20:49:39] <The123king> Yeh, ZevenOS is the thing that's persuaded me to look at Linux again[20:49:57] <leszek> nice :)[20:50:02] <helf> isnt zevenos the one that looks like beos/[20:50:02] <helf> ?[20:50:18] <leszek> yes[20:50:24] <The123king> More like Zeta, but yes[20:50:28] <leszek> zevenos.com[20:50:29] <helf> ah[20:56:47] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[20:57:17] <leszek> btw. I am the main dev of zevenos :P[20:58:12] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[20:58:24] <kirilla> re[20:58:39] <leszek> wb[20:58:45] <kirilla> thanks[20:59:30] <leszek> is any linux distro shipping bfs write support ?[20:59:41] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[20:59:54] <mmadia_haiku> leszek : http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/access_bfs_with_fuse[21:01:04] <leszek> mmadia_haiku, :) I know, included it into zevenos few months ago, just curious about if any other linux distro ships it, otherwise I could promote that feature for zevenos ;)[21:02:20] *** PasNox has quit IRC[21:02:25] <mmadia_haiku> also, there's an email somewhere from stippi(?) mentioning how "safe" bfs_fuse actually is.[21:02:40] <leszek> aha nice[21:03:00] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[21:03:53] <MadEchidna> leszek: are you on the zevenos team?[21:04:04] <MrSunshine> http://code.google.com/p/habid/w/list anyone wanna look over those two and tell me if something is not clear on how it works? :)[21:04:23] <leszek> MadEchidna, yes I am the main developer of it actually[21:04:27] <MadEchidna> oh[21:04:34] <MadEchidna> I would have been more polite if I knew that :P[21:04:45] <MadEchidna> I really would like sliding tabs on Linux[21:05:09] <helf> so, geist, whats the "palm c40" going to be? :)[21:05:13] <MrSunshine> what is zevenos ?[21:05:19] <MrSunshine> the linux mockup of beos? :)[21:05:49] <leszek> MadEchidna, its on the roadmap for version 3, I have it running here, actually quite nice feature[21:05:49] <oZ]> Palm C40 is the first Be-based Palm device.[21:05:55] <oZ]> I kid.[21:05:56] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:05:56] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:06:24] <leszek> MrSunshine, linux with a touch of beos[21:06:25] <MadEchidna> oZ] don't be a tease[21:06:42] <MadEchidna> when I heard Palm OS Cobalt had BeOS code I crapped my pants[21:06:50] <MadEchidna> I swore that if I saw any yellow tabs I was buying it[21:06:59] <leszek> hehe xD[21:06:59] <kirilla> heh[21:07:01] <MadEchidna> all these years later it never shipped on hardware :([21:07:09] <MadEchidna> speaking of BeOS irony[21:07:20] <kirilla> what a waste on their part[21:07:28] <MadEchidna> a friend of mine another channel linked me to an editorial about the death of Palm[21:07:35] <MadEchidna> ... written by JLG[21:07:55] <MadEchidna> I was like yeah, I guess when you want an opinion on a sinking ship, you talk to the captian of the titanic <_<[21:08:13] <JonathanThompson> Right: write about what you know :p[21:08:29] <MadEchidna> hey Jonny boy what are you up to these days[21:08:29] <oZ]> Cobalt did look really good.[21:08:38] * JonathanThompson looks around[21:08:39] <MadEchidna> last I checked you were unemployed or some such[21:08:51] <JonathanThompson> I don't see any Jonny.[21:08:54] <MadEchidna> >_>[21:09:01] <JonathanThompson> Still unemployed.[21:09:11] <JonathanThompson> I was jettisoned off another sinking ship :p[21:09:12] <MadEchidna> by choice or cicumstance?[21:09:14] <MadEchidna> haha[21:09:34] *** saimen_ has joined #haiku[21:09:36] <MadEchidna> I'm pretty excited, a PC recycling company in Tukwila wants to interview me[21:09:41] <MadEchidna> and no, it's not RE-PC[21:09:47] <JonathanThompson> :p[21:09:47] <MadEchidna> :P[21:09:57] <MadEchidna> I assumed it was an said as much in the email application[21:10:01] * JonathanThompson reduces, reuses and recycles MadEchidna[21:10:14] <MadEchidna> and the lady who put out the ad wrote back and said "no, thats our competitor :|"[21:10:25] <JonathanThompson> I guess it's not easy being green, eh, MadEchidna ? :D[21:10:37] <MadEchidna> heh[21:10:43] * JonathanThompson wonders if the company founders believe in reincarnation[21:10:58] <MadEchidna> I'm just excited because there's nothing I enjoy more than shoving my hands into bins of old computer hardware[21:11:13] <MadEchidna> they don't literally recycle the computers[21:11:16] <MadEchidna> they sell them[21:11:24] *** personian has quit IRC[21:11:27] <MadEchidna> so it's more of a PC reusing company :P[21:11:43] * JonathanThompson resells MadEchidna to the Slave Computer market[21:12:01] *** saimen has quit IRC[21:12:09] *** saimen has joined #haiku[21:12:27] <JonathanThompson> I love it when someone on OSNews states WebOS with JavaScript has a lower barrier to entry for development than ObjectC (their naming)....[21:13:03] <JonathanThompson> Right: because everyone has efficient native-speed JavaScript libs to work with, and they won't need to learn any local JavaScript frameworks to create a viable app![21:13:21] <JonathanThompson> Oh, and... there's exactly no other phone their code will run on as-is.[21:13:53] <JonathanThompson> And... the phone doesn't have nearly enough carriers to achieve critical mass to make it easy to justify the risks/costs to develop for it.[21:14:03] *** saimen_ has quit IRC[21:14:06] <JonathanThompson> But it's very open![21:15:54] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[21:17:57] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:19:20] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[21:20:37] <MadEchidna> meh[21:21:36] <MadEchidna> some smug friend of mine tried to one up my GLteapot screenshot with an xeyes screenshot in OSX[21:21:40] <MadEchidna> I think I win :| http://i42.tinypic.com/33nhtsk.png[21:22:24] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[21:22:41] <oZ]> MadEchidna: Now make the window rootless ;)[21:22:50] <MadEchidna> ;)[21:23:21] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:25:15] <mmadia_haiku> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2010-03-22_haiku_inc_contractors_haiku_code_drive_and_available_funds (need to sign in or wait 15 minutes to view)[21:25:15] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[21:25:38] * MadEchidna claps for mmadia[21:26:15] <MadEchidna> you know guys, I think that TiltOS is well and good, but I really hope that the the Haiku R1 doesn't become too much like a linux distro[21:26:46] <MadEchidna> I like the way OSX is personally, most popular apps are stand alone but if you really want to be a nerd you can install Fink[21:26:59] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:27:02] <oZ]> I think once Haiku provides something resembling package management, it'll be easier to grasp and less hacked on. ;)[21:27:05] <MadEchidna> weba kirilla[21:27:20] <MadEchidna> oZ]: who says it even needs packagement?[21:27:21] <kirilla> heya MadEchidna[21:27:23] <MadEchidna> that's my whole point[21:27:33] <MadEchidna> I think very strongly there should be strong milestones[21:27:40] <MadEchidna> rather than constant flux[21:27:48] *** david3 has quit IRC[21:28:03] <MadEchidna> look at BeOS R5, sure you might need allegro for some games or SDL, but for the most part it was simple[21:28:07] <MadEchidna> dependencies are not a good thing[21:28:16] <oZ]> Well, because it's a community driven OS, that is likely going to rely heavily on open source for the near future, and libraries and supporting tools are a pain to pull together without package management.[21:28:22] <oZ]> the world was different in 1999. :)[21:28:27] <MadEchidna> :([21:28:42] <saivert> because if people want some software on your os they will get it on your os no matter what you say[21:28:43] <mmadia_haiku> oZ] on dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/TitleIndex , there's two pages about the WIP package manager.[21:28:59] <MadEchidna> well I would like to see package management in dev builds only if possible[21:29:09] <MadEchidna> Haiku R1 should be a firm platform[21:29:24] <mmadia_haiku> on another page, it even details what needs to be done to improve the package manager.[21:29:45] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[21:29:49] <MadEchidna> kirilla: I want to mess with decors :3[21:30:09] <kirilla> dammit, I forgot to try that out, again![21:30:45] <kirilla> MadEchidna: do you build from source?[21:31:34] <MadEchidna> no, that's the whole reason I'm trying to get back into Ubuntu :P[21:31:44] <MadEchidna> I will try building my own just to see decors[21:32:39] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[21:32:46] <PulkoMandy> decors... as in windows decorators ?[21:33:01] <MadEchidna> yep[21:33:10] <PulkoMandy> :)[21:33:24] <MadEchidna> why do you ask?[21:33:43] <PulkoMandy> I fixed them some time ago as they were not building[21:33:48] <MadEchidna> oh[21:33:53] <MadEchidna> do you have binaries I could play with?[21:33:55] <PulkoMandy> and I know there are still some issues with them[21:34:00] <PulkoMandy> yes, but only gcc4[21:34:09] <MadEchidna> that's okay[21:34:17] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[21:34:25] <PulkoMandy> ok, let me find them then...[21:35:20] *** mmadia_haiku has quit IRC[21:36:07] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.ath.cx/drop/[21:36:19] <PulkoMandy> here you go : ClassicBe, MacDecorator and WinDecorator[21:36:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[21:36:41] <PulkoMandy> the WinDecorator one is buggy, the text in the titlebar doesn't display at all[21:36:46] <MadEchidna> thanks[21:36:47] <MadEchidna> :D[21:36:47] <PulkoMandy> the two others should work fine[21:38:24] <MadEchidna> where does the binary go[21:38:35] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:38:42] <MadEchidna> PulkoMandy[21:39:44] <MadEchidna> haha what http://pulkomandy.ath.cx/drop/ubuntu.jpg[21:39:53] <DraX> MrSunshine: looks like you're making some progress on D :)[21:40:05] <MrSunshine> DraX, =)[21:40:10] <MrSunshine> almost done with BMessage in C today :)[21:40:30] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[21:40:36] <MrSunshine> have to start writing test applications tho, gonna put them in the repository also :)[21:40:37] <PulkoMandy> MadEchidna, mh, I don't remember, I think somewhere in home/config/add-ons/decorator or something similar[21:40:52] <eml> Who's working on PyHaiku?[21:41:00] <eml> Can't remember his/her nick[21:41:04] <kirilla> nielx[21:41:07] <eml> Ah right[21:41:37] <MrSunshine> HaikuD will kick PyHaikus ass =)[21:41:46] <kitallis> lol[21:41:48] <MrSunshine> he will see the errors of his ways soon enough :P[21:42:01] <MrSunshine> kitallis, if you follow the links on my wikipage, do you understand how it works then ? :)[21:42:05] <kitallis> raiku will kick * ass =)[21:42:10] <PulkoMandy> MadEchidna, ok, that's the right path apparently[21:42:15] <MrSunshine> then its just a combination of the three =)[21:42:24] <PulkoMandy> then use the setdecor command to load them[21:42:26] <DraX> making GUI development open to people that aren't C++ hackers will kick ass[21:42:28] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[21:42:45] <kitallis> MrSunshine, your wiki page? where? link?[21:42:49] <PulkoMandy> (it only applies to windows opened after you run the command)[21:42:55] <MrSunshine> http://code.google.com/p/habid/w/list[21:42:59] <kitallis> ow[21:43:01] <MrSunshine> kitallis, wasnt it you that was looking at ruby ?[21:43:02] * kitallis looks[21:43:07] <kitallis> yes[21:43:16] <kitallis> that's me, and that's what it's gonne be called :P[21:43:17] <MrSunshine> i hope ive explained it enough there :)[21:43:28] <MrSunshine> daiku, raiku and pieku ? :P[21:43:28] <kitallis> or maybe be[21:43:30] <MrSunshine> pyku[21:43:31] <kitallis> RuBE[21:43:34] <kitallis> no[21:43:34] <MrSunshine> paiku[21:43:37] <kitallis> lol[21:43:40] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[21:43:40] <kitallis> why the p[21:43:44] <PulkoMandy> as for the ubuntu-in-a-megadrive picture, it's for http://ubuntu.lexinfo.fr , aka "what can I do with an Ubuntu CD, as it's useless in a computer ?"[21:43:46] <MrSunshine> daiku, paiky, raiku[21:43:49] <MrSunshine> raiku[21:44:01] <MrSunshine> kieselsteini, D Haiku, Py Haiku, Ruby Haiku[21:44:07] <MrSunshine> daiku, paiku, raiku[21:44:07] <kitallis> or maybe RubyBindingsForHaiku :P[21:44:08] <MrSunshine> :P[21:44:21] <oZ]> i might get started on the perl one in a few weeks. :)[21:44:30] <kitallis> oh and no wait[21:44:38] <MrSunshine> oZ], hopefully you can use my C bindings :P[21:44:51] <MrSunshine> if they are needed =)[21:44:51] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:44:58] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[21:45:02] <kitallis> it's not gonna be just bindings, it's gonna be a nice blocks-filled api, very rubyish[21:45:17] <MrSunshine> blocks filled?[21:45:17] <kitallis> it's supposed to be a possible GSoC project :P[21:45:22] <kitallis> ruby blocks[21:45:27] <MrSunshine> wtf is that? :)[21:45:27] <PulkoMandy> "rubish" ? what ?[21:45:33] <kitallis> lol[21:45:38] <kitallis> ruby-ish[21:46:07] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[21:46:16] <kitallis> ruby blocks like 5.times { |iterator| #dostuff }[21:46:17] <kitallis> like that[21:46:19] <kitallis> a block[21:46:23] <MadEchidna> okay I put the classicbe binary in /boot/home/config/add-ons/decors[21:46:24] <MadEchidna> no joy[21:46:30] <MadEchidna> do I need to .o file too?[21:47:05] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:47:20] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[21:47:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[21:47:25] <kitallis> MrSunshine, hey wow thanks for the text, looks pretty much enough[21:47:53] <MrSunshine> kitallis, i figured i better try and explain it in code in a simple way incase someone wants to help me out =)[21:48:37] <MrSunshine> but have to clean up my own code in hcb to adher to the standard i set there :P[21:48:52] <MadEchidna> PulkoMandy any ideas?[21:49:15] <MrSunshine> kitallis, you understand the interaction it makes now atleast? :) that i tried to explain last time :)[21:49:20] <PulkoMandy> does the setdecor list it ?[21:49:31] <PulkoMandy> (use setdecor -l or something like that)[21:49:35] <PulkoMandy> in terminal[21:49:40] <kitallis> MrSunshine, yes, I read it 5 times[21:49:52] <kitallis> also went to #d to understand :P[21:50:07] <MadEchidna> PulkoMandy: no[21:50:17] <MrSunshine> kitallis, =)[21:50:22] <MadEchidna> it just shows default[21:50:28] <PulkoMandy> mh, strange[21:50:43] <MrSunshine> kitallis, sucks that i dont know more languages so i could make samples in other languages also :)[21:50:44] <PulkoMandy> maybe you need to restart the appserver, or maybe the file isn't correct[21:51:10] <PulkoMandy> you are running a gcc4 build, or a gcc2hybrid ? I'm not sure a gcc4 addon will work fine in gcc2h[21:51:26] <MadEchidna> I'm on gcc2 hybrid[21:51:32] <MadEchidna> I could try gcc4hubrid[21:51:36] <MadEchidna> 8hybrid[21:51:42] <MadEchidna> *hibrid[21:51:42] <MadEchidna> haha[21:51:47] <MadEchidna> whatever[21:51:49] <MadEchidna> you know what i mean[21:52:09] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:52:10] <kitallis> MrSunshine, well yeah, but making one work nicely would be better[21:52:15] <PulkoMandy> well, try rebooting first, it could work as well[21:52:18] <MadEchidna> I'm going to reboot one more time[21:52:20] <kitallis> also these are just one-to-one mappings[21:52:30] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[21:52:38] <MrSunshine> kitallis, what do you mean ? :)[21:54:27] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:54:53] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:55:36] <OmniMancer> DraX: you in?[21:57:18] *** saimen has quit IRC[21:57:19] <largo> I like how I can't post on the Holy Bible thread anymore, but all the other retards can keep piping in with their little jabs at me.[21:57:25] <largo> *sigh*[21:57:28] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:57:32] *** Snappo has joined #haiku[21:57:35] *** Snappo is now known as MadEchidna[21:57:38] <MadEchidna> good news everyone[21:57:46] <MadEchidna> now I can't boot my Eee at all :|[21:57:49] <kitallis> ?[21:57:54] <kitallis> :P[21:57:55] <MadEchidna> it seems using gcc4 addons was in fact NOT a good idea[21:58:00] <MadEchidna> and safe mode seems to do nothing[21:58:01] <mmadia> self-control is definitely appreciated at this point, largo.[21:58:02] <CIA-45> pulkomandy * r35932 /haiku/trunk/ (11 files in 11 dirs): Sync Japanese catalogs from hta.[21:58:19] <MadEchidna> PulkoMandy, hi -_-[21:58:26] <PulkoMandy> MadEchidna, there is a "disable user add-ons" option in the boot menu[21:58:30] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[21:58:35] <PulkoMandy> this should work as the decorators are in /home[21:58:36] <MadEchidna> it does nothing[21:58:43] <PulkoMandy> well, it should[21:58:44] <MadEchidna> I still boot to GDB[21:58:47] <MadEchidna> well, it's not :([21:59:06] <PulkoMandy> mh... that would need a bug report[21:59:12] <MadEchidna> is there any way to delete files from GDB?[21:59:18] <MadEchidna> I'm using a nightly from 2 days ago[21:59:19] <PulkoMandy> tried "co" at the gdb prompt ?[21:59:27] *** oZ] has quit IRC[21:59:50] <largo> mmadia: yeah, I'm not commenting on it anymore. The devs have made their wishes clear. :) I'm just saying it's really irritating. ;)[21:59:52] <largo> anyway...[22:00:08] <largo> what's the status on the wifi stuff?[22:00:29] <MadEchidna> PulkoMandy, when I type co it says ambiguous command[22:00:31] <largo> I'm curious as to whether a fix for the atheroswifi stuff might be in the pipe so to speak, or if I should try looking into the problems with my particular setup myself.[22:00:37] <largo> (with my utter lack of skills) ;)[22:00:41] *** genki has joined #haiku[22:00:53] <genki> hi there[22:01:02] <MadEchidna> so I'm officially screwed[22:01:07] <MadEchidna> I don't have any blank cds[22:01:10] <PulkoMandy> MadEchidna, try "continue" then[22:01:10] <MadEchidna> and my computer won't boot[22:01:18] <MadEchidna> this computer doesn't have an sd card slotr[22:01:19] <largo> genki: hello genki :)[22:01:40] <MadEchidna> "program exited normally."[22:01:41] <MadEchidna> now what[22:01:47] <PulkoMandy> mh[22:02:06] <mmadia> largo : nothing in the shortterm for wifi. ....[22:02:12] *** saimen has joined #haiku[22:02:15] <mmadia> colin's finishing his thesis.[22:02:50] * MadEchidna digs through old OS cds[22:02:54] <mmadia> once that's done, i'm not sure if he plans to continue implementing the wifi stack or userland tools.[22:03:12] <genki> Jean-Louis Gassée asks "Who will buy Palm?" ... here is the link in case some of you guys are interested:[22:03:15] <genki> http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/03/21/who-will-buy-palm/[22:03:40] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[22:03:53] <MadEchidna> genki, yeah I brought that up earlier[22:03:57] <largo> mmadia: ok... I'll do a little more digging myself then. If I can at least get the driver to not constantly drop my connection I could deal with running with SMP disabled to avoid the system freezes.[22:04:07] <MadEchidna> that article and it's author is the definition of "irony" :P[22:04:17] <MadEchidna> hm I found an old GOS cd[22:04:18] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:04:25] <MadEchidna> I guess that would be a good escape pod[22:05:06] <MadEchidna> time to set up my USB burner[22:06:15] <PulkoMandy> MadEchidna, mh... you could boot haiku from an usb key too[22:06:26] *** BGA has left #haiku[22:06:58] <PulkoMandy> isn't there some safemode option allowing to run only a bash prompt instead of the app_server ?[22:06:59] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[22:07:20] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[22:07:26] <MadEchidna> I'll reboot and see[22:07:31] <MadEchidna> as for usb key, I have none[22:07:32] *** willll has quit IRC[22:07:33] <OmniMancer> I think there is some way to get it to[22:07:35] <MadEchidna> all I have is a micro sd card[22:07:58] *** prOSy has quit IRC[22:08:03] *** n9986 has quit IRC[22:08:42] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[22:09:20] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:11:24] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:12:00] <MadEchidna> phew at least gos is booting[22:12:10] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:12:17] *** willll has joined #haiku[22:12:23] <CIA-45> pulkomandy * r35933 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Add credits for the japanese translation in AboutSystem.[22:14:15] *** Atomo_OUT is now known as AtomoZero[22:14:41] <MadEchidna> moral of the story: when you install bootman, MAKE THE BACKUP[22:16:48] *** ragcsi_ has quit IRC[22:17:31] <OmniMancer> MadEchidna: or just don't want the old MBR back :P[22:17:45] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[22:18:48] *** ragcsi has joined #haiku[22:19:11] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[22:19:21] *** oco has quit IRC[22:21:13] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[22:21:14] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[22:21:22] *** JoeyA has joined #haiku[22:22:54] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:24:07] <MadEchidna> BREAKING NEWS: PulkoMandy sabatoge's poor user's computer[22:24:11] <MadEchidna> this and more at 11[22:24:13] <MadEchidna> ;P[22:24:55] * MadEchidna pries open his dvd burner open with a knife to get the disk in and smokes a cig :([22:25:39] <MadEchidna> I don't normally smoke tobacco but I keep a pack for stressful times :|[22:26:58] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:27:37] <MadEchidna> WOOT gos installed[22:27:39] <MadEchidna> amazing[22:27:45] <MadEchidna> this CDR was pretty damaged and old[22:29:08] *** n9986 has quit IRC[22:29:27] *** david3 has joined #haiku[22:29:44] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[22:29:48] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[22:30:51] *** Kroki has quit IRC[22:33:45] *** vooshy has quit IRC[22:33:56] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:34:41] <MadEchidna> ... are you F***** KIDDING ME[22:34:48] <MadEchidna> GOS doesn't seem to support my NIC[22:34:50] <MadEchidna> ;_;[22:35:53] *** stpere_ is now known as stpere[22:37:29] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[22:37:35] <MrSunshine> GOS ?[22:37:59] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[22:38:37] <MadEchidna> MrSunshine, it's a half baked ubuntu based distro[22:41:14] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[22:41:39] <MadEchidna> hm, I found a blank DVD[22:41:46] <MadEchidna> this will take years to burn over USB 1.1 but yeah[22:43:17] <kieselsteini> re[22:47:22] *** arminhs has joined #haiku[22:47:47] *** arminhs has left #haiku[22:49:21] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[22:49:28] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[22:49:30] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:51:08] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:57:11] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[22:58:12] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[23:00:03] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:00:56] *** Disreali has quit IRC[23:02:20] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[23:02:34] <Begasus> evening peeps[23:03:12] <leszek> hi Begasus[23:03:27] <Begasus> hi leszek[23:03:34] <Begasus> long time no see ;)[23:03:43] <leszek> :)[23:04:17] <Begasus> how's progress on the OS?[23:04:50] <leszek> very good ;)[23:05:27] <leszek> Sliding Tabs under ZevenOS : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAlIybJ5Y0I :P :P :P[23:06:35] <Begasus> nice leszek ![23:07:53] *** AtomoZero has quit IRC[23:09:41] <leszek> working on zevenos-neptune now, seems to be more and more a osx clone xD[23:10:10] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[23:10:43] <leszek> ZevenOS-Neptune 1.8 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMCPU6LcOQM xD[23:12:53] <leszek> btw. I also did some haiku screencasts :P : http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=26CCC5ED170B3216[23:15:33] *** Vooshy has joined #haiku[23:18:19] <Begasus> is yab fully functional in Haiku now?[23:18:43] <leszek> I think so[23:18:53] <leszek> yab 1.5 is working perfectly fine[23:20:12] <leszek> Begasus, you need to test web+ thats the awesome new haiku browser :P[23:20:41] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[23:21:20] <PulkoMandy> Begasus, hey ! GrafX2.2 was released today, we're waiting for an haiku build ;)[23:23:54] <Begasus> hi PulkoMandy ... got your mail yes[23:24:17] <Begasus> I should be free tomorrow so I'll take a look if I can create the binaries[23:24:46] <PulkoMandy> ok[23:24:51] <PulkoMandy> thanks :)[23:24:56] <leszek> need to go now, gn8@all[23:25:16] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:26:20] <Begasus> does it matter if it's compiled in a nightly build for gcc2/4 or do I need to make sure it runs on the alpha?[23:27:02] <PulkoMandy> I'll be ok with a nightly[23:27:22] <PulkoMandy> I don't think there are that much compatibility problems ?[23:27:59] <Begasus> haven't checked if there are any ... nightly is more accurate I think[23:29:34] <OmniMancer1> Begasus: I have no idea what you are talking about but I would say requiring a nightly would not be a bad thing[23:30:34] <PulkoMandy> it's for a pixelart painting software[23:30:43] <PulkoMandy> it's multiplatform using SDL[23:30:54] <PulkoMandy> but I can't build it on haiku myself :([23:31:21] *** margiolas has quit IRC[23:31:46] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[23:32:44] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[23:33:53] <mmadia> anyone want to drop a line to OSNews about the recent website article?[23:34:45] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[23:36:46] *** Andrius has quit IRC[23:40:10] *** judgen has quit IRC[23:42:23] <mmadia> luroh : stippi's contract has indeed been renewed. in addition to a new contract.[23:43:06] <luroh> yes, i just posted a comment to that news post[23:43:45] <mmadia> oh, it sounded like you read that stippi's contract was not extended.[23:44:04] *** genki has quit IRC[23:44:49] <luroh> i see, then i was unclear[23:45:26] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:45:35] <luroh> the wording could have been better, i guess[23:45:59] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[23:46:31] <DraX> OmniMancer1: you pinged?[23:48:23] <Begasus> g'night peeps[23:48:44] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[23:49:06] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:50:05] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:50:22] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[23:51:42] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:52:09] <luroh> mmadia: edited for clarity, thanks[23:52:12] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[23:59:03] <CIA-45> stippi * r341 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/ (12 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[23:59:03] <CIA-45> Work in progress on better download management...[23:59:03] <CIA-45> * Allow to specify the downloads folder in the General settings page.[23:59:03] <CIA-45> * Added necessary wiring.[23:59:03] <CIA-45> * The listener notification was not synchronous anymore because of mixed[23:59:04] <CIA-45> up default function params in BWebPage.[23:59:04] <CIA-45> * Added temporary debug output to WebDownloadPrivate.cpp... the restarting