March 21, 2010 
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March 21, 2010 [00:00:07] <vooshy> so it is getting past grub?[00:00:08] <ragcsi> but they have to add eof because they deleted a line from the default script[00:00:48] <ragcsi> i guess it is[00:01:23] *** spvensko_ has quit IRC[00:01:35] <ragcsi> right after hitting enter in grub menu, or issueing the boot command in grub's command line[00:01:40] <ragcsi> a black screen appears[00:01:49] <ragcsi> with a flashing cursor in the corner[00:01:56] <ragcsi> and then that's it, nothing happens[00:02:03] <vooshy> if you press space after pressing enter in grub do you get a boot menu?[00:02:18] <ragcsi> hmm let me try that[00:02:56] <ragcsi> nope[00:03:06] <ragcsi> just a flashing cursor :/[00:03:31] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[00:04:13] <vooshy> ok, so we know it hasnt started the haiku drive. is it possible that the swap it on hd 0,3 and haiku is on hd 0,2 ?[00:05:45] <ragcsi> nope, checked in grub command line[00:05:47] *** stef_ has joined #haiku[00:05:55] *** eml_ has joined #haiku[00:06:03] <ragcsi> ls (hd0,3) returns "filesystem type befs, label Haiku"[00:06:13] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:06:26] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[00:07:02] <vooshy> ok weve ruled out alot of things, did you dd to the partition?[00:07:16] <ragcsi> is it possible that the Haiku installer somehow fails to write the boot record of its partition?[00:08:05] <ragcsi> nah, used a flash drive[00:08:19] *** margiolas has quit IRC[00:08:21] <vooshy> if for some reason haiku installer forgets to write the boot record, boot into haiku and run makebootable on the partition.[00:08:22] <OmniMancer> back[00:08:24] <ragcsi> booted haiku from it, and started the gui installer[00:08:45] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[00:08:47] <MadEchidna> man it kind of makes me cringe to see the TiltOS repository[00:08:57] <vooshy> so in terminal makebootable /Haiku[00:09:01] <MadEchidna> i tried to install gnash and I'm seeing pieces of gnome and crap[00:09:29] <MadEchidna> On BeOS I just had R5 with the two update patches from be, and allegro libraries[00:09:32] <MadEchidna> and it was fine[00:09:48] <ragcsi> mmkay, gotta write haiku to the flashdrive again, gonna take a min[00:09:50] <OmniMancer> vooshy: doesn't makebootable only work on entries in /dev?[00:10:11] <vooshy> nope you can use it on partitions and disks[00:10:15] <MadEchidna> I think that sharing FreeBSD driver stuff is great[00:10:20] *** eml has quit IRC[00:10:20] *** stef has quit IRC[00:10:28] <MadEchidna> but i don't want Haiku to just be a drop in replacement for Linux[00:10:43] <MadEchidna> the system files shouldn't change every day[00:11:30] <vooshy> ragcsi: as a last resort, boot from usb drive press space and select the haiku partiton from the netbook[00:12:39] <vooshy> ragcsi: but i think we can get this working[00:12:47] <Anarchos> how to install an iso image of haiku on a usb key ?[00:12:59] <ragcsi> what OS do you use?[00:13:29] <kirilla> Anarchos: the "anyboot" images work on either usb or CD[00:13:33] <Anarchos> say windows xp or windows7[00:13:40] <ragcsi> i'd say go with flashnul[00:13:47] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[00:14:01] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[00:14:37] <kirilla> I don't think the actual iso images work when written directly to a USB stick[00:15:00] <Anarchos> kirilla i don't want to burn a CD just to repair my haiku kernel :([00:15:13] <kirilla> Anarchos: or did you mean booting off a CD and installing from it to USB?[00:15:39] <ragcsi> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Putting_installation_media_on_a_USB_key#The_Flashnul_Way[00:15:44] <Anarchos> kirilla i want to boot on the key and copy the files to my haiku partition[00:15:47] <kirilla> well, a raw image or an anyboot image should work fine with a USB stick[00:15:49] <ragcsi> but you should go with the raw image[00:16:39] *** diogen has joined #haiku[00:17:13] <Anarchos> ragcsi that sounds right. ok i will do it tomorrow, time to go sleeping of a fresh new install :)[00:18:12] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:18:26] <OmniMancer> Anarchos: you cannot[00:18:52] <ragcsi> vooshy: makebootable /Haiku is probably not gonna work, both my usb key partition and my hdd partition are called Haiku :p[00:19:14] <vooshy> oh if that happens, the partition is Haiku1[00:19:14] <OmniMancer> they will be different :P[00:19:34] <OmniMancer> you can always give it the partition path in dev too[00:19:59] <OmniMancer> BTW does the haiku clipboard just store BMessages?[00:20:50] <kirilla> OmniMancer: I think so[00:21:00] <ragcsi> is there a tool like fdisk -l[00:21:03] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BClipboard.html[00:21:16] <ragcsi> to determine which partition i want to write the boot record to[00:21:34] <vooshy> cd /[00:21:35] <vooshy> ls[00:21:43] <vooshy> show all mounted partiiton names[00:21:55] <vooshy> or open DriveSetup[00:22:01] <OmniMancer> yea[00:22:04] <cpr420> mountvolume -l[00:22:05] <OmniMancer> that will tell you[00:22:08] <kirilla> ragcsi: df might show a little somehting[00:22:46] <kirilla> since our /dev is hiearchial it reveals more[00:23:22] <ragcsi> k i got it, it was really Haiku1[00:23:32] <ragcsi> hmm[00:23:35] <ragcsi> but it still won't boot[00:23:47] <ragcsi> same black screen[00:24:12] <stpere> tried to show debug info on screen?[00:24:22] <OmniMancer> push space as it boots...[00:24:31] <kirilla> or hold shift?[00:24:34] <stpere> isn't it shift now? I'm not sure[00:24:37] <vooshy> ok to check that it installed okay and is a grub issue, run usb stick press space and choose the partition[00:24:38] <OmniMancer> ?[00:24:41] <OmniMancer> oh okay[00:25:39] <ragcsi> lol[00:25:49] <ragcsi> in the boot menu, they are both called Haiku :p[00:26:10] <ragcsi> k i got it right, its the one on the hard drive[00:26:12] <ragcsi> and booted just fine[00:26:41] *** Disreali2_ has joined #haiku[00:27:04] <ragcsi> anyone else using grub 1.97b4 to boot haiku?[00:27:15] <kirilla> umm[00:27:34] <OmniMancer> would an alternate clipboard class that stored a circular buffer of BMessages be shunned into non-existence?[00:28:10] <kirilla> OmniMancer: You do know you can subscribe to clipboard changes?[00:28:19] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[00:28:35] <OmniMancer> hmmm?[00:28:35] <kirilla> meaning you can save them and restore them at will using some utility[00:28:47] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[00:29:11] <ragcsi> vooshy: thank you for your help, i guess it has to do with grub then :/[00:29:18] <ragcsi> gonna try and downgrade grub[00:29:33] <OmniMancer> well you could probably make a program that would transform the clipboard into a circular buffer by keeping the messages and changing them with certain keys and a browser... but then it would only work on the system clipboard...[00:29:36] <kirilla> OmniMancer: Start/StopWatching()[00:29:45] <vooshy> ragcsi: only other option is to install a different bootmanager like Plop[00:29:55] <OmniMancer> ragcsi: what does your grub section to boot haiku look like?[00:30:21] <kieselsteini> bye guys[00:30:28] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[00:30:34] <vooshy> OmniMancer: <ragcsi_> http://pastebin.com/FC71jNjB[00:30:35] <ragcsi> 11:53:17 <ragcsi_> http://pastebin.com/FC71jNjB[00:30:39] <vooshy> lol[00:30:43] <Disreali2_> OmniMancer, are you talking about something like ClipUp ?[00:31:00] <Disreali2_> http://www.bebits.com/app/2514[00:31:13] <OmniMancer> Disreali2_: yes someone pointed me at that[00:31:39] <OmniMancer> but it would be nice if some sort of functionality like that were integrated into the clipboard itself...[00:32:41] <kirilla> OmniMancer: if you wanted the system clipboard to have a history, you would still need some means to flip through it, and apps would need to make use of it and expose the functionality to the user[00:33:26] <kirilla> OmniMancer: I know I've seen something like that in word, or excel.. every time I Copy twice it appears.. very annoying[00:33:49] <OmniMancer> yes you need a way to flip through it[00:33:58] <OmniMancer> but that can be provided..[00:34:13] <kirilla> OmniMancer: what's your idea of clipboard<->app <->user interaction?[00:34:17] <kirilla> I mean[00:34:21] <OmniMancer> at the very least a system wide browser could be created to let you change it[00:36:28] <Disreali2_> OmniMancer, the clipup source is freeware. you cou;d use it as a basis for an update to Haiku's clipboard[00:36:45] *** |judgen| has quit IRC[00:37:25] <OmniMancer> also the beBook says that the constructor of the BClipboard objects has a persistance flag but it is unused... will that change?[00:37:47] <kirilla> no idea[00:38:40] <kirilla> I say that no created code is wasted effort :) bring it on![00:39:13] <kirilla> if it will be integreated, and perhaps replace the present clipboard, who knows[00:40:09] <kirilla> sometimes alternative purposes are found[00:41:01] <kirilla> I'm using grub 0.97 apparently[00:41:55] <Disreali2_> is there a free version of the Haru font that came with r5 Pro?[00:42:03] <kirilla> reboots, bbl[00:42:12] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:42:27] *** Disreali2_ is now known as Disreali2[00:45:21] *** idefix_haiku has quit IRC[00:45:39] *** aldeck has quit IRC[00:52:55] <vooshy> Disreali2_: http://libharu.sourceforge.net/fonts.html not sure if this is the same font[00:54:07] <JonathanThompson> Just got called by another recruiter....[00:54:35] <JonathanThompson> Too bad the position in question is at or for a company I already struck out on too recently ... :([00:55:26] *** BeRReGoN has quit IRC[00:56:14] <vooshy> JonathanThompson:did you hear back about your coding interview with Microsoft?[00:56:24] <JonathanThompson> Not yet.[00:56:35] <JonathanThompson> Very frustrating.[00:56:55] <vooshy> can you not bug the recruiter to find out whats happening?[00:57:14] <JonathanThompson> I already did an email bug the day after, and a phone call bug yesterday.[00:58:10] * JonathanThompson wonders how many starving recruiters are out and working if they're calling him on Saturday around 5 p.m.[00:58:55] *** burmas has joined #haiku[00:59:15] *** burmas has joined #haiku[00:59:23] *** margiolas has quit IRC[00:59:50] *** personian has quit IRC[00:59:51] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[01:01:10] *** vooshy has quit IRC[01:06:58] *** margiolas has quit IRC[01:07:23] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[01:11:33] *** Engleek has quit IRC[01:12:34] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_haiku[01:19:42] *** margiolas has quit IRC[01:21:00] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:43:41] *** BeRReGoN has joined #haiku[01:55:04] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[01:55:17] *** surrounder has quit IRC[02:00:52] *** Andrius has quit IRC[02:02:55] *** JoySwe has joined #haiku[02:10:45] <OmniMancer> :O mmadia_haiku :O[02:11:02] <mmadia_haiku> for #gsoc[02:11:37] <mmadia_haiku> using a "nick_org" helps identify who students should talk to[02:18:05] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:30:31] <OmniMancer> ah[02:30:42] <OmniMancer> GWoC makes me sad[02:31:37] <Disreali2> ruh??[02:31:52] <DraX> winter of code, he's being a pita :P[02:32:27] <DraX> OmniMancer: we're the only hemisphere that matters :P[02:34:58] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[02:37:36] *** Disreali2 has quit IRC[02:43:20] <OmniMancer> :'([02:43:53] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:46:24] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[02:46:46] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[02:50:51] <helf|laptop> anyone have a spare intel i975 chipset motherboard they don't need? :)[02:52:00] <mmadia_haiku> helf|laptop , you may want to ask helf.[02:52:06] <stpere> lol[02:53:53] *** Disreali2 has joined #haiku[02:56:44] *** E-WolfShade has joined #haiku[02:56:45] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[02:56:56] <E-WolfShade> Ok, I just have to share this with someone[02:57:05] *** kallisti6 has quit IRC[02:57:34] <E-WolfShade> Someone just tried to tell me that an Intel P4 uses almost the same power as an ARM Cortex-A9 - LOL[02:57:53] *** kallisti6 has joined #haiku[02:59:21] <Disreali2> E-WolfShade, it is not that much of an inaccurate a statement[03:00:02] <E-WolfShade> Ok, I'll bite, how so?[03:00:08] <helf|laptop> lol mmadia_haiku[03:00:33] <helf|laptop> which p4, tho?[03:01:01] <E-WolfShade> The average P4 has a power usage of 65 to 85 watts throughout normal usage, and the Cortex-A9 @ 2GHz uses 1.9 watts[03:01:42] <helf|laptop> heh, my old p4 @ 5.1ghz was using (whole system mind you) 350w at idle[03:01:51] <E-WolfShade> lolol...[03:01:58] <E-WolfShade> Well, that was OC I assume?[03:02:04] <Disreali_> the intel netburst arch chips, p4's, were notoriously hot ARMs have always been quite thermanl efficient[03:02:06] <helf|laptop> 5.1... i would hope so[03:02:42] <Disreali_> I don't have the thermal specs on either cpu, but that could be googled easily[03:02:51] <helf|laptop> E-WolfShade, its funny, at 4.7-8ghz, it would idle around 120w and peak around 300w. at 5.1ghz it would idle at 350 and peak over 400w[03:03:08] <E-WolfShade> lol[03:03:18] <E-WolfShade> Significant difference for only .3GHz right there[03:03:39] <Disreali_> wow, bad lag[03:03:44] <helf|laptop> E-WolfShade, yeah[03:03:51] <helf|laptop> it was kind of bizarre, I thought :p[03:03:59] <E-WolfShade> My netbook with an Atom uses 10w, so I'd estimate the proc as ~4-5w[03:04:36] <helf|laptop> that tower, when i was playing with it, only had a crappy radeon 7k pci card in it otherwise it was just what the chipset provided.[03:05:14] <E-WolfShade> My desktop downstairs: P4 1.6GHz, GeForce4 MX 4000, 512MB RAM[03:05:15] <E-WolfShade> qq[03:05:26] <helf|laptop> heh[03:05:29] <E-WolfShade> One of the slowest P4s[03:05:35] <helf|laptop> i have a 1.6a p4 in a mobo[03:05:47] <helf|laptop> i ripped a bsel pin off it and now its happily humming along at 2.16ghz[03:05:49] <E-WolfShade> Yet this was labeled as a "multimedia PC" lolz[03:06:23] <helf|laptop> heh, my dual tualatins keep up with that northwood at 2.1ghz easily.. :][03:06:28] <helf|laptop> early p4s are rather pathetic[03:06:35] <E-WolfShade> mhm[03:07:36] <OmniMancer> well almost is not a very good measure :P[03:07:44] <OmniMancer> how many orders of magnitude :P[03:07:52] <E-WolfShade> I like how this Atom+Intel gfx can play 720p no problem while that P4+nVidia gfx can barely play 480p[03:08:19] <helf|laptop> better proc ;p[03:08:42] <helf|laptop> anywaysa[03:08:51] <helf|laptop> I have a P|D EE 955 I wanna use[03:09:21] <helf|laptop> 3.46ghz, dualcore, HT, 1066fsb, 4mb cache. never used such a beefy netburst chip :)[03:10:20] <Disreali2> E-WolfShade, what netbook do you have?[03:10:33] <E-WolfShade> Disreali2: Gateway LT2005u[03:10:46] <Disreali2> does haiku run on it?[03:10:53] <E-WolfShade> Might, haven't tested[03:11:09] <spvensko> hi, any expected release date for alpha 2?[03:11:19] <Disreali2> not yet.[03:11:19] <helf|laptop> spvensko, "sometime"[03:11:20] <helf|laptop> :p[03:11:27] <spvensko> good enough for me :)[03:11:29] <E-WolfShade> Disreali2: Want the specs?[03:11:37] <Disreali2> there is planning to plan the release[03:11:46] <Disreali2> E-WolfShade, sure[03:12:16] <E-WolfShade> Disreali2: pm good or you want pastebin?[03:12:35] <Disreali2> pastebin is safer atm[03:12:39] <E-WolfShade> lol[03:13:05] <spvensko> Disreali2: meta-planning?[03:13:26] <Disreali2> spvensko, something like that[03:13:35] <E-WolfShade> Disreali2: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/192063/[03:14:50] <Disreali2> E-WolfShade, looks like a nice system[03:15:03] <E-WolfShade> Wireless might be annoying for Haiku[03:15:06] <Disreali2> brb need food[03:15:11] <E-WolfShade> This card isn't actually a BCM4312[03:15:41] <E-WolfShade> It's a BCM4315 (identifies as 4312), which isn't quite supported by b43 yet[03:15:45] *** Koki_ has joined #haiku[03:16:05] *** timezer0 has joined #haiku[03:21:12] <E-WolfShade> Since Disreali2 brought it up and I'm bored, I'm downloading a nightly build to try on this netbook[03:24:12] <E-WolfShade> Do I have to unmount the volume for dd? I forget[03:24:39] <OmniMancer> I think so[03:27:18] <Disreali2> I thought it was the other way. I always have to read teh man pages every time i use dd[03:27:52] <E-WolfShade> Ugh... Already did umount then dd[03:27:56] <E-WolfShade> Guess I'll find out[03:30:38] <OmniMancer> I believe that it would not be safe to dd to a mounted device...[03:31:01] <Disreali2> you dd-ing to a usd stick? if so most have a light that tells you if there is activity[03:31:34] <E-WolfShade> 471859200 bytes (472 MB) copied, 233.977 s, 2.0 MB/s[03:31:43] <E-WolfShade> qq It didn't use USB2.0 speed[03:31:55] <E-WolfShade> Could've copied that 5x faster at least[03:32:50] <E-WolfShade> I won't have net access but I'll let you guys know how it goes[03:34:16] *** E-WolfShade has quit IRC[03:36:06] *** Disreali2 has quit IRC[03:37:20] *** E-WolfShade has joined #haiku[03:37:24] <E-WolfShade> Stupid me lol[03:37:34] <E-WolfShade> I forgot to make the filesystem bootable XD[03:40:07] *** E-WolfShade has quit IRC[03:45:08] <OmniMancer> :P[03:47:57] <Disreali_> how so? were you using an anyboot image? it should already have an mbr to boot from[03:49:06] <OmniMancer> Disreali_: I don't think hiaku has any anyboot images... and depending on how its put onto the USB stick you may need to makebootable it[03:50:27] <Disreali_> http://haiku-files.org/anyboot/[03:50:42] <OmniMancer> :O[03:51:21] <OmniMancer> also the raw/anyboot images will only work if dd'd to the whole device not a partition...[03:51:30] <OmniMancer> well the raw you can makebootable[03:51:35] <Disreali_> anyboot will be replacing raw and cd[03:51:53] <Disreali_> OmniMancer, true[03:53:17] <mmadia_haiku> OmniMancer, mmlr whipped those up a week or 3 ago.[03:53:43] <OmniMancer> yay for ISO format hacks :P[03:53:54] <OmniMancer> also are the anyboot ones twice the size of a standard image?[03:53:54] <Disreali_> mmadia_haiku, what is the proper way to use the anyboot images?[03:54:07] <OmniMancer> burn to CD[03:54:16] <OmniMancer> or dd to usb, whole USB drive[03:54:25] <OmniMancer> atleast as far as I know :P[03:54:31] <mmadia_haiku> yep, that's what mmlr told me as well.[03:54:53] <mmadia_haiku> there's even a round-about way to extract the raw image from anyboot, if desired.[03:54:59] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[03:55:20] <Disreali_> I could not burn the anyboot using Img/burn on vista.[03:55:20] <mmadia_haiku> and i filed an enhancement ticket for being able to directly mount anyboot images in Haiku.[03:55:33] <Disreali_> I quess i need to rtfm[03:56:04] <OmniMancer> it should burn as a CD image[03:56:04] <Disreali_> ooh! THAT WOULD BE NICE[03:56:58] <OmniMancer> mmadia_haiku: isn't the round about way just find the beginning of the raw partition and take the rest of the file? or are they strangely encoded?[03:57:21] *** burmas has left #haiku[03:58:25] <mmadia_haiku> http://haiku.pastebin.com/X07M2fYX[03:59:05] <mmadia_haiku> ignores the commented lines.[04:00:38] <OmniMancer> yep[04:00:41] <OmniMancer> it takes the end off :P[04:05:30] *** Koki_ has left #haiku[04:07:56] <mmadia_haiku> http://www.royalbaconsociety.com/downloads/solo/solo1600x1200.jpg[04:09:36] <helf|laptop> baaaaaacon[04:09:37] <helf|laptop> omg[04:09:38] <helf|laptop> i hate you[04:09:43] <helf|laptop> now I want to go to waffle house :([04:10:00] <OmniMancer> :P[04:10:10] <OmniMancer> a waffle house that sells bacon?[04:11:25] <helf|laptop> waffle house = restraunt that specialized in breakfast food 24/7 365[04:11:43] <helf|laptop> *restaurant[04:12:08] <mmadia_haiku> ...... bacon infused bourbon : http://www.royalbaconsociety.com/blog/bacon-recipes/home-style-bacon-bourbon/[04:13:06] <helf|laptop> lol[04:13:13] <helf|laptop> ive seen bacon flavored vodka[04:13:46] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, waffle house is my favorite eatery next to taco bell :p[04:16:23] <OmniMancer> :P[04:33:58] <jmayfield_> chicken & waffles.. wtf?![04:34:16] <helf|laptop> ive always wanted to stop at a chicken and waffles[04:35:05] <jmayfield_> just seems like such a random pairing..like meatballs and banana splits[04:35:18] <helf|laptop> lol[04:35:20] <helf|laptop> mmm[04:35:21] <helf|laptop> :p[04:35:31] <helf|laptop> I've passed a few of them in texas[04:35:35] <helf|laptop> almost stopped a few times[04:36:10] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, got a redneck truck now ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV714-IdQy8[04:36:22] <jmayfield_> yeah, i saw[04:36:25] <jmayfield_> sweetness[04:36:36] <helf|laptop> the novelty will wear off at some point[04:36:51] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[04:36:54] <jmayfield_> my wife took off in my car this morning[04:36:56] <jmayfield_> hehe[04:37:03] <helf|laptop> :)[04:37:06] <jmayfield_> visiting friends in our home town[04:37:28] <jmayfield_> 3 hours trip each way.. she's super excited[04:37:36] <helf|laptop> heh[04:38:28] <jmayfield_> i got a msg about an hour after she left..something along the lines of "speed limits are f'ing lame.."[04:38:37] <helf|laptop> :p[04:38:50] <helf|laptop> I drove my bros alero to sams club down the highway yesterday[04:38:57] <helf|laptop> 100mph most of the way. I miss going fast[04:40:51] <jmayfield_> helf|laptop, oh, i picked up an android phone the other day[04:41:42] <helf|laptop> like it?[04:41:53] <helf|laptop> I'm still not too fond of vanilla android[04:42:01] <jmayfield_> i like it a lot[04:42:25] <helf|laptop> the reason I was at sams yesterday was to pick up my little sisters new phone[04:42:29] <helf|laptop> a samsung moment with android[04:42:29] <helf|laptop> heh[04:42:31] <helf|laptop> she likes it[04:42:39] <jmayfield_> thats what i got[04:42:51] <helf|laptop> I played with it some[04:42:57] <helf|laptop> other than the screen being pretty.. bleh. :p[04:42:59] <jmayfield_> i wanted something to dev on[04:43:11] <helf|laptop> its a good phone, tho, it seems[04:43:15] <jmayfield_> i dunno.. i like it. nxious for the 2.1 update[04:43:23] <helf|laptop> yeah, that will probably help[04:43:26] <helf|laptop> as it is, its kinda sluggish[04:43:51] <helf|laptop> I'm still not fond of UIs designed moslty around touch, tho :([04:44:08] <helf|laptop> I'm apparnetly addicted to being able to do 90% of everything with a 5 button dpad and soft keys[04:44:45] <jmayfield_> i like this: http://www.gmote.org/[04:44:47] <jmayfield_> hehe[04:45:41] <jmayfield_> using the touchscreen on my phone as a remote mouse is kind neat[04:47:01] <helf|laptop> lol[04:47:52] <helf|laptop> I may end up switching to some gsm provider[04:47:58] <helf|laptop> more phone options[04:48:12] <helf|laptop> None of the current sprint options pique my interest any anymore.[04:48:32] *** diogen has left #haiku[04:48:43] <jmayfield_> they are slated for a bunch of new phones, iirc[04:48:53] <helf|laptop> I hope something cool comes out[04:49:04] <helf|laptop> everything is freaking sliders, tho. And I hate that :([04:49:09] * helf|laptop loves his candy bar phones[04:49:29] <jmayfield_> i dunno what any of that means[04:49:33] <helf|laptop> I'll gladly sacrifice some vertical screen estate for not having to have a slider :p[04:49:38] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, slide out keyboards[04:50:30] <jmayfield_> i find i use the onscreen kb mostly.. if i am doing an extended amount of typing, having a larger hw keyboard is nice[04:50:58] <helf|laptop> I like being able to feel my keys and pound out a text without having to look at the screen at all :p[04:51:08] <helf|laptop> i dont think ill ever be able to do that one handed with a touchscreen only[04:51:19] <OmniMancer> the iPhone isn't a slider :P[04:51:21] *** saimen has quit IRC[04:51:32] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, i dont have one[04:51:38] <jmayfield_> honestly, i mostly wanted some hw to dev for[04:51:38] <helf|laptop> and i dont care for it, either :p[04:51:41] <OmniMancer> just saying[04:51:46] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, yeah, perfect for that :)[04:51:47] <jmayfield_> and pple can go f- itself[04:51:51] <jmayfield_> apple[04:51:57] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, that was rather random :p[04:52:06] <helf|laptop> OmniMancer, ive played with the iphone and i dont see what hte big dea lis[04:52:09] <helf|laptop> *deal is[04:52:45] <DraX> helf|laptop: candybar - not slider- is optimal form factor[04:53:02] <OmniMancer> I don't like it either[04:53:09] <OmniMancer> has too much apple suck in it[04:53:09] <DraX> only downside of my current phone hardware wise is the screen is a bit too small :([04:53:30] <helf|laptop> DraX, yeah[04:53:33] <helf|laptop> mines 320x320[04:53:40] <helf|laptop> it could do with being a bit higher resolution[04:53:43] <helf|laptop> but otherwise, i dont mind it[04:53:51] <helf|laptop> I'll probably be using a treo 800w for a long while.[04:54:09] <DraX> mines 320x240[04:54:28] <DraX> yeah i'd like a new phone, but hardware wise nothing is acceptable[04:54:44] <DraX> and i'm not a big fan of any of the phone oses right now either[04:54:55] <helf|laptop> the 800w is old but still pretty awesome featurewise :D real GPS + AGPS, wifi, bt 2.0 edr, evdo rev.a, etc etc[04:55:02] <OmniMancer> we must have a 2000x2000 phone screen :P[04:55:04] <helf|laptop> DraX, same boat im in[04:55:25] <DraX> i have a nokia e71[04:55:40] <helf|laptop> DraX, all the current OSes are either really slow (WebOS), have a UI that annoys me (android), or I just find plain sucky like the blackberry :p[04:55:48] <OmniMancer> finish the porting of haiku![04:55:58] <OmniMancer> also are there any mips phones?[04:56:04] <DraX> helf|laptop: that's more or less my analysis of the oses too[04:56:08] <helf|laptop> i some how doubt it, but i could be wrong[04:56:27] <OmniMancer> portportport haiku![04:56:34] <DraX> i'm kind of hopeful about symbian^4[04:56:36] <helf|laptop> the treo 800w is the only windows moble phone ive ever used that i like. lol[04:56:39] *** personian has joined #haiku[04:56:48] <DraX> i was excited about windows phone 7, but as more details came out[04:56:51] <DraX> i lost interest[04:56:56] <helf|laptop> has 2d accelerated video drivers for the video card and extra buttons so i rarely have to touch the screen[04:57:00] <helf|laptop> yeah, same[04:57:04] <helf|laptop> i had high hopes for it[04:57:04] <OmniMancer> ofcourse you would need to convince the manufacturer to tell you how to use the phone as a phone :P[04:57:07] <helf|laptop> but bleh..[04:57:17] <helf|laptop> it looks like a fancy feature phone OS now :p[04:57:18] <DraX> OmniMancer: nokia actually released their modem drivers[04:57:35] <OmniMancer> yay[04:57:55] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, doing android dev on your own time or somehow work related? :)[04:58:02] *** personian has quit IRC[04:58:07] <OmniMancer> so where can we find a gullable person to write haiku phone programs :P[04:58:16] <DraX> uhh, i wouldn't use haiku on a phone :P[04:58:22] <OmniMancer> :P[04:58:31] <mmadia_haiku> i could unban pathagenx's haiku script bot ;)[04:58:38] <helf|laptop> heh[04:58:52] <DraX> mmadia_haiku: maybe yor nick would trigger it, that'd be fun[04:59:32] <OmniMancer> :P[04:59:35] <OmniMancer> indeed[05:03:04] *** personian has joined #haiku[05:09:31] *** Snappo has joined #haiku[05:09:37] <Snappo> I'd really like this to get some love http://gs_server.gerbilsoft.ddns.info/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gens.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=haiku[05:09:43] <Snappo> too bad I'm not a programmer :P[05:11:31] *** eml_ is now known as eml[05:13:42] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[05:14:10] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[05:18:42] <OmniMancer> Snappo: the genesis emulator?[05:18:50] <Snappo> yeah[05:19:01] <Snappo> Gens/GS is maintained by a friend of mine[05:19:06] *** willll has quit IRC[05:19:07] <Snappo> but he doesn't know much about Haiku[05:19:26] <Snappo> it's a vastly improved fork of Gens for Linux[05:19:43] <Snappo> it has a proper GUI and all sorts of neat stuff[05:20:03] <Snappo> http://info.sonicretro.org/Gens/gs[05:21:34] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:28:00] *** personian has quit IRC[05:28:15] <OmniMancer> hmmm[05:31:48] <Disreali_> i've used it on ubuntu and vista.[05:32:22] <Disreali_> it would be very nice to have gens/gs on haiku[05:32:53] <OmniMancer> how much work is required?[05:33:04] <Snappo> well, Phil C. already ported the GUI[05:33:17] <Snappo> so all that needs to be done is figuring out what render to use really as far as I know[05:33:22] <Disreali_> sweet![05:33:27] <Snappo> on Linux and Windows it uses SDL/OpenGL[05:33:36] <Snappo> it is sweet, but no one seems to be working on it :|[05:33:56] <Snappo> so yeah someone needs to get it talking to the input server and find a nice render method for it[05:34:05] <Disreali_> haiku has sdl[05:34:33] <Snappo> yeah[05:34:37] <Disreali_> ogl is nice but not needed afair[05:34:37] <Snappo> the old Gens port used allegro[05:34:39] <Snappo> but who wants that[05:34:44] <Disreali_> true[05:34:45] <Snappo> ogl is much faster[05:34:49] <Snappo> at least on Gens/GS[05:34:57] <Disreali_> ogl is faster bu not needed[05:34:59] <Snappo> pure SD is unplayable on my Eee PC with Ubuntu[05:35:21] <Snappo> *sdl[05:35:40] <Snappo> I just asked Gerbilsoft if he'd come in here but he's busy[05:35:44] <Disreali_> I'm not on a eee, so I can't comment[05:36:03] <Snappo> if you feel like bugging him he's on irc.sonicretro.org[05:37:41] <Disreali_> yeah, I was on there for a while when I ran ubuntu. once that drive failed(I broke my linux install), I have not used gens/gs since[05:38:55] *** martinhpedersen is now known as labatec[05:38:59] <Disreali_> who is doing the haiku dev?[05:39:24] <Snappo> Phil C.[05:39:38] <Snappo> but he hasn't committed anything since November[05:40:13] <OmniMancer> well haiku's OGL is currently software...[05:40:38] <Disreali_> mesa is good enough[05:41:06] <Snappo> I'm inclined to think something like drawbitmap would work fine[05:41:23] <Snappo> considering I used to be able to run Genecyst on DOS on a 486 at 60fps[05:41:53] <Disreali_> Snappo, you friends with Gerbil or this Phil?[05:42:05] <Snappo> gerbil yeah[05:42:07] <OmniMancer> :([05:42:11] <Snappo> Phil is some random WINE dev afaik[05:42:18] <Disreali_> cool[05:42:29] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[05:42:34] <Disreali_> sounds like what Caz used to do[05:43:03] *** Disreali_ is now known as Disreali[05:43:28] <Snappo> eh?[05:45:34] <Disreali> Caz ported several console emu's such as Snes9x and others[05:46:13] <Disreali> iirc he moved on to osx[05:47:40] *** l_n has quit IRC[05:47:46] <Snappo> bastard :P[05:52:27] <Disreali> don't be a hater. many from the BeOS days moved on. remenber, Be was dead[05:53:12] <OmniMancer> but now haiku has risen from the ashes...[05:54:41] <Snappo> brb[05:54:43] *** Snappo has quit IRC[05:55:35] <helf|laptop> i moved on to.. windows 2000![05:55:37] <helf|laptop> ZOMG[05:55:38] <helf|laptop> :p[05:56:24] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[05:59:34] <OmniMancer> :P[05:59:55] <OmniMancer> we all know you are not the usual person helf|laptop[06:00:13] <Disreali> helf|laptop, you mean that you downgraded?[06:03:36] <helf|laptop> Disreali, psh :p[06:04:01] <helf|laptop> 2k pro still has a warm spot in my heart[06:05:04] <DraX> 2k pro was the best windows release i ever used[06:05:13] <DraX> granted i haven't used vista or 7 at all[06:05:54] <helf|laptop> vista was awful - and im not just hating on it for hates sake - , windows 7 is ok. im on it now[06:06:07] *** Snappo has joined #haiku[06:06:25] <DraX> i've actually not really used windows since 2k, except a brief stint before i put a real OS on my T42[06:06:56] <Snappo> I had Windows 7 on my Eee for a while[06:07:16] <helf|laptop> once i get my pc going, ill probably put a diff os back on this laptop[06:07:18] <Snappo> it was very nice at first, but as with every other version of windows I've tried, it got slower and slower after like 3 weeks[06:07:21] <Snappo> so no good[06:07:33] <helf|laptop> only reason 7 is on it is because i popped an ssd in it and wanted to try something new :p[06:07:40] <helf|laptop> Snappo, wtf?[06:07:51] <helf|laptop> your machines mustve never been set up properly.[06:08:17] <helf|laptop> i see peoples towers that are extremely slow and i have no idea how they manage it. my xp install at work is going on 2 years old now and been on three different hdds and its still quick :p[06:08:39] <Snappo> helf|laptop, I refuse to pamper my OS[06:08:46] <Snappo> I install random freeware when I feel like it[06:08:47] <helf|laptop> i dont pamper mine[06:08:51] <helf|laptop> ah[06:08:52] <Snappo> Windows is the only os that can't deal with that[06:08:56] <helf|laptop> then you get what you deserve[06:08:56] <helf|laptop> :p[06:08:59] <Snappo> nope[06:09:00] <helf|laptop> not really[06:09:01] <helf|laptop> osx hates that too[06:09:09] <Snappo> well, I don't use OSX either :|[06:09:21] <Snappo> I have a 3 year old install of Ubuntu that's as fast as it was day one[06:09:32] <helf|laptop> cool[06:09:35] <Snappo> and I use that all the time, with experiemental repositories and everything[06:09:39] <helf|laptop> I'm glad those are working out for you :p[06:10:21] *** spvensko has quit IRC[06:12:53] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[06:13:13] <OmniMancer> GMP compiles fine on haiku?[06:14:22] <CIA-45> scottmc * r660 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/openssh/openssh-5.4p1.bep: fixed .bep file for openssh, seems it doesn't need automake, and that slash before make was tripping it up.[06:20:44] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[06:31:39] *** Snappo has quit IRC[06:38:35] <OmniMancer> anyone awake?[06:38:55] <DraX> sure[06:39:04] <DraX> i've been drinking though :P[06:41:34] <DraX> cpr420: \o/ It's done[06:42:03] <cpr420> \o/[06:42:22] <cpr420> takes a lot longer than 23.1 with all the crap they've added[06:43:37] <DraX> heh[06:44:02] <cpr420> btw, I tested emacsclient and it's no go right now, needs unix sockets[06:44:19] <cpr420> we'd need to add BeOS style IPC or some other method[06:44:32] <DraX> or implement unix domain sockets[06:45:28] <DraX> i'm recompiling with prefix=/boot/common[06:45:37] <DraX> and i'll see about trying to build a package[06:46:09] <cpr420> yeah, i built mine with /boot/common/emacs or I'd package mine up[06:46:20] <DraX> are we using the same s/haiku.h ?[06:46:51] <cpr420> I wrote mine a while back and still have a bunch of crap in it[06:47:03] <cpr420> have you test M-x shell?[06:47:09] <DraX> yeah i wrote my own as well[06:47:10] <DraX> no[06:47:23] <DraX> i tried M-! and got a vfork: out of memory[06:47:31] <cpr420> I added a define to handle /dev/ptmx but I don't know if it worked out of the box??[06:47:57] <DraX> which should probably try and merge/unify our haiku.hs[06:49:37] <cpr420> mine has all kinds of goofy crap and commented out stuff: http://haiku.pastebin.com/ymJNEn5X[06:50:10] <DraX> so does mine :)[06:51:47] <DraX> http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/haiku.h[06:52:50] <cpr420> looks like 98% same at first glance[06:53:10] <DraX> yes[06:55:13] <DraX> and i have a few src changes but it's mostly horrible hacks to get around stuff there wasn't an obvious define for[06:55:48] <cpr420> yeah, i need to find out why the egetenv() is failing to find HOME, i switched it to normal getenv() for now[06:56:45] <DraX> egetenv?[06:56:52] <DraX> don't have a manpage for that on *bsd[06:57:08] <cpr420> internal emacs call, uses the emacs env table for lookups[06:57:21] <DraX> ahh[07:01:07] <DraX> there isn't some magical way to node monitor during a make install or something is there?[07:01:35] <cpr420> there is a utility in the haiku repo called diff_zip.cpp which Ingo wrote[07:02:01] <cpr420> you should be able to do a 'make install DESTDIR=/foo' also[07:02:57] <DraX> destdir, duh[07:05:05] <DraX> gotta love all the images it installs on a console only version[07:05:51] <OmniMancer> yay for images[07:06:08] <OmniMancer> maybe it runs them through libaa[07:06:09] <DraX> chown: invalid user 'baron' \o/[07:07:58] <OmniMancer> yay[07:08:13] <cpr420> hmm, didn't run into any chown problems but my root user isn't baron[07:08:59] <DraX> it's not failing out[07:09:01] <DraX> so whatever[07:09:11] <cpr420> maybe i just missed it then[07:10:04] <DraX> i looked into doing the gui stuff a while back, but it's unclear to me even where to start[07:10:32] <cpr420> yeah, that won't be fun, probably have to bind a lot of stuff to c first[07:10:56] <DraX> don't see any reason why you couldn't compile with g++[07:11:21] <DraX> the lisp wrapping functions will need to be extern C[07:11:29] <DraX> but it's not like you're exposing BeAPI[07:11:35] <DraX> it's just functions that use it[07:11:44] <cpr420> possible, i've only glanced at the work done by mmu_screen for xemacs[07:11:51] <DraX> same[07:12:02] <DraX> but i suspect this is one of those places where xemacs and gnu emacs are _very_ different[07:12:40] <DraX> given that it's the technical reason behind the fork[07:13:46] <DraX> it'd be helpful if there was even a list of all the symbols you need to implement[07:16:16] <cpr420> once the console port is functioning more people might contribute to those areas[07:16:32] <DraX> yes[07:16:41] <DraX> hopefully getting this package up on haikuware will help[07:17:13] <DraX> though my haikuware account doesn't work, so it'd be nice if someone else could upload it for me ;)[07:18:04] <DraX> a bep file would also probably be good[07:18:39] <cpr420> the bep file is trivial to make[07:18:46] <cpr420> the patch is the beast[07:19:00] <DraX> well between the two of us, we have the patch[07:19:15] <cpr420> a very dirty patch ;)[07:19:29] <cpr420> i still have my sbrk hack and all kinds of stuff in mine[07:19:34] <DraX> i don't[07:19:43] <DraX> my other file patches are actually pretty minimal[07:19:52] <DraX> the sbrk thing is huge if you can get it to work ;)[07:20:10] <CIA-45> scottmc * r661 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/openssh/openssh-5.4p1.bep: updated openssh .bep file to use finddir, so it now puts the ssh keys into B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY/openssh[07:21:32] <cpr420> my debugging skill leave much to be desired and it's an area where i have limited knowledge[07:21:54] <cpr420> in other words ... no guarantees[07:22:16] <DraX> i'll make up a reasonably ok patch[07:23:37] <cpr420> can't be any worse than some of the crap i've seen commited to haiku-ports[07:25:24] <cpr420> +t[07:28:54] *** Nozy has quit IRC[07:29:56] <cpr420> I'm including my own patches in that statement ;)[07:45:53] <DraX> done[07:46:55] *** surrounder has quit IRC[07:49:36] *** MadEchidna has joined #haiku[07:49:37] <cpr420> M-! seems to be working for me[07:52:08] <OmniMancer> yay?[07:52:37] <cpr420> exactly[07:53:47] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:53:49] <DraX> ok, sounds like the first step is to convince emacs that haiku is a window-system and then to write up a lisp/term/haiku-win.el[07:53:55] <DraX> and implement x-open-connection[07:54:13] <DraX> that should be enough to get emacs to start a BWindow when you run it[07:54:15] <DraX> i think[07:54:37] <cpr420> we'd still need to inject a BApplication instance somewhere, but that shouldn't be too bad[07:55:10] <DraX> in x-open-connection probably[07:55:21] <DraX> or we write an EmacsApp[07:55:26] <DraX> to replace emacs.c[07:55:34] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[07:55:42] <DraX> i think that's what Emacs.app for os x does[07:56:14] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[07:56:39] <OmniMancer> or you can just have a .cpp file somewhere that defines and instanciates the application[07:57:30] <DraX> that would be the x-open-connection approach :P[07:58:04] <CIA-45> scottmc * r662 /haikuports/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Updated sed to got into /boot/system as libtool has issue when sed is in /boot/common, updated python 2.6.5 files, and updated openssh's .opd file[07:58:28] <OmniMancer> except you should not name it x-open-connection :P[07:58:30] <OmniMancer> since that is bad[07:59:27] <cpr420> awesome-open-connection?[07:59:39] <DraX> x-open-connection is the only thing you can name it[07:59:42] <OmniMancer> haiku-init-gui?[07:59:46] <OmniMancer> then change that[07:59:47] <DraX> without rewirting half of emacs[08:01:18] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:01:44] <DraX> http://repo.or.cz/w/emacs.git/blob/697be39a9f7d5a0e22956f7e122f3a65d8063335:/nextstep/DEV-NOTES[08:01:47] <DraX> good overview of the basic process[08:02:35] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:13:25] <DraX> 41m[08:13:28] <DraX> jeez[08:15:28] <cpr420> not too bad for an entire OS :)[08:17:02] <DraX> one that comes with like 8 mail programs, 3 irc clients, etc[08:17:44] *** Ola has joined #haiku[08:18:11] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[08:18:21] <OmniMancer> terrible game selection though[08:18:37] <DraX> snakes and tetris is quite enough[08:18:43] <DraX> and it has an excellent psychatrist[08:18:53] <DraX> also M-x butterfly[08:19:59] <OmniMancer> what does that do?[08:20:43] <DraX> http://xkcd.com/378/[08:20:51] *** Andrius has quit IRC[08:24:21] <DraX> http://alexbl.net/~alexbl/emacs-23.1.93-haiku-gcc4.zip[08:24:58] <cpr420> hmm, they must have incremented the version when i downloaded the snapshot[08:25:04] <cpr420> mine is 24.0.50[08:25:15] <OmniMancer> awwwww its gcc4 :( :P[08:25:27] <cpr420> It's in c, it shouldn't matter[08:25:39] <OmniMancer> it won't[08:25:47] <OmniMancer> and besides most people are using hybrids[08:26:10] <DraX> it won't compile with gcc2[08:26:14] <DraX> it does some c99 stuff[08:26:16] <OmniMancer> I know :P[08:26:37] <DraX> like declaring variables outside of the beginnig of blocks[08:26:59] <DraX> cpr420: yeah i haven't updated in a week or two i think[08:28:08] <OmniMancer> DraX: did gcc2 not support that?[08:28:19] <DraX> nope[08:28:32] <OmniMancer> would have had to for C++[08:29:26] <DraX> if someone with a working haikuware account could upload that it would be awesome *cough*[08:35:49] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:41:05] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[08:53:45] *** vidvisitor has joined #haiku[08:54:29] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[08:54:54] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[08:54:55] <vidvisitor> Help, i want my old mouse cursor back in the new nightly build[08:56:28] *** tgunr has quit IRC[08:58:01] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:06:28] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[09:14:13] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[09:16:04] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[09:18:23] *** vidvisitor has quit IRC[09:22:03] *** sprma has quit IRC[09:27:14] *** The123king has joined #haiku[09:29:36] *** sprma has joined #haiku[09:39:01] *** kageiit has joined #haiku[09:39:26] *** shannara has joined #haiku[09:39:29] <shannara> hello[09:39:32] <kageiit> hello[09:39:53] <shannara> I download last night build[09:40:08] <shannara> my wifi ipw2100 is ready[09:40:18] <shannara> explain configure wifi please[09:40:33] <kageiit> can someone help me with this year's Haiku GSOC Projects[09:40:39] <shannara> my network is Livebox-baaa[09:41:15] *** sprma has quit IRC[09:42:26] <shannara> help me please[09:43:55] *** cypherpunko has joined #haiku[09:46:20] <H_MrSun> seems liek the driver has descided to work again today ... sigh[09:46:30] <H_MrSun> or maybe it was that i swapped tp cable[09:46:48] <shannara> My ipw2100 wifi card is detected but recognized as an ethernet card[09:47:14] <shannara> How to configure it[09:47:38] <Auronandace> the wireless is currently implemented on top of the ethernet stack[09:48:07] <Auronandace> that will change in the future[09:49:08] *** judgen has joined #haiku[09:49:17] <OmniMancer> shannara: is the network unencrypted?[09:49:29] <shannara> no use wep[09:50:05] <OmniMancer> hmmm I think wep is techincally supported and might work but have never tried...[09:50:15] <OmniMancer> DraX: you here still?[09:50:16] <shannara> but use unencrypted if necessary[09:50:58] <shannara> Is this one-that my unprotected network my wifi will work ?[09:51:53] <Auronandace> at the moment haiku can only connect to unencrypted networks[09:52:24] <Auronandace> a dev has got wep working but it's not in the nightlies yet, as far as i know[09:52:38] <shannara> use unencrypted if necessary[09:53:19] <DraX> OmniMancer: i'm here[09:53:41] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[09:53:45] <OmniMancer> DraX: do you know how to configure wep on wireless?[09:53:50] <Auronandace> as a security precaution you can always set up a mac filter for your wireless network[09:53:59] <shannara> was it necessary for any program for the wifi[09:54:30] <OmniMancer> there is some config program but I don't know whether its in the nightlies...[09:54:44] <OmniMancer> try using an unencrypted network it may autoconnect[09:54:49] <Auronandace> i think it just automatically connects to the strongest available signal[09:55:07] <Auronandace> as long as it's unencrypted[09:55:17] <OmniMancer> probably[09:55:30] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[09:55:43] <shannara> use unencrypted network now[09:56:01] <shannara> What should I do now[09:56:41] <Auronandace> try restarting haiku, then it should connect to a network next time it boots[09:57:16] <shannara> thank i test[09:58:34] <DraX> mmadia_haiku: do you have the setwep builder script handy?[09:58:38] <DraX> i can't find the paste anymore[10:00:17] <shannara> my wifi adaptater doesn't start (led doesn't green)[10:00:32] <shannara> but haiku say the wifi card[10:00:39] <shannara> (see)[10:00:50] <OmniMancer> yes but some of the drivers aren't particularly stable[10:01:41] <shannara> and[10:04:31] <shannara> files ressources or device busy (ifconfig /dev/net/ipw2100/0 up)[10:04:47] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[10:05:06] *** kitallis has quit IRC[10:06:02] <shannara> should be just that my card is up for have a Internet[10:07:14] <shannara> http://development.pistooli.com/?p=75 (he has a some wifi card )[10:08:11] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[10:11:32] <shannara> I try a r35718[10:13:14] *** cypherpunko has left #haiku[10:13:58] <OmniMancer> you might need to set the IP adress statically yourself...[10:15:13] <shannara> my address static is 192.168.1.10[10:15:19] *** gwenael_ is now known as gwenael[10:15:58] *** fly-away has quit IRC[10:17:18] <OmniMancer> so set that in the network config preflet[10:18:46] <shannara> see http://development.pistooli.com/?p=75[10:19:07] <shannara> He use ipw2100 wifi card haiku build r65718[10:19:15] <shannara> r35718[10:20:28] <OmniMancer> leaf menu -> preferences -> network I think[10:24:29] <shannara> static address 192.168.1.12 gateway 192.168.1.1 dns 208.67.220.220[10:24:42] <shannara> but wifi card doesn't start[10:26:17] <OmniMancer> did you set those or are those the values it had?[10:27:04] <shannara> no[10:27:22] <shannara> I should ?[10:27:53] <shannara> the picture see ip and mask only[10:29:29] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[10:29:43] <kieselsteini> hiho[10:31:11] <OmniMancer> sigh[10:31:14] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:31:21] <OmniMancer> you must set these to YOUR OWN networks settings[10:33:20] <shannara> I am this[10:33:20] <shannara> ip 192.168.1.10[10:33:20] <shannara> netmask 255.255.255.0[10:33:20] <shannara> gateway 192.168.1.1 dns 192.168.1.1[10:33:20] <jmayfield_> gong[10:33:39] <Ingenu> plop[10:33:54] <OmniMancer> so put those in the boxes having set it to static and see if it works[10:33:57] <shannara> but he said that the device not ready[10:34:45] <OmniMancer> :([10:35:01] <OmniMancer> well you might have to wait for wifi on haiku for a bit then[10:36:00] <shannara> see http://development.pistooli.com/?p=75[10:36:01] <vooshy> shannara: if your wifi is encrypted you will not be able to connect.[10:36:06] <shannara> I use wifi[10:36:18] <shannara> my network is unencrypted[10:36:30] <shannara> and mac is desactivate[10:36:34] <vooshy> do you have the wlanconfig tool?[10:36:46] <shannara> no use ifconfig why?[10:38:31] <vooshy> http://dev.osdrawer.net/attachments/download/225/haiku-wlanconfig-svn-r34791.zip[10:38:36] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[10:38:39] <vooshy> download it and run in terminal[10:39:08] <vooshy> wlanconfig show (will show all ssid in the area if wifi card working)[10:39:18] <shannara> ok i try[10:40:33] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[10:41:19] <vooshy> sorry correction i meant scan not show[10:41:34] <shannara> not network wifi found[10:41:44] <shannara> no card wifi found[10:42:44] <vooshy> http://fixee.org/paste/y2e6v4n/ shows all commands it can run[10:43:21] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[10:43:22] <vooshy> have you run the install-wifi-firmwares.sh script?[10:43:31] <shannara> I make usb[10:43:47] <shannara> no r35718 have firmware wifi for ipw2100[10:44:54] <vooshy> i dont think so, intel cards require you to accept the licence so will not install firmware until you have.[10:45:09] <vooshy> you should also run a more recent nightly than 35718[10:45:16] <OmniMancer> shannara: just because that site shows it does not mean it will automatically work in the nightlies...[10:45:35] <shannara> I use a last night build ??[10:45:41] *** genkie has joined #haiku[10:45:44] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[10:46:06] <vooshy> www.haiku-files.org will have the latest nightly[10:46:41] <shannara> a script wifi download link???[10:47:07] <vooshy> choose the gcc2hybrid build, run install-wifi-firmware.sh in terminal, run wlanconfig to join wlan[10:48:23] <shannara> whereis script install-wifi-firmware.sh[10:48:49] <OmniMancer> also does install-wifi-firmware.sh need an internet connection?[10:49:19] <shannara> I internet but doesn't my laptop (haiku)[10:50:01] <vooshy> script not available on 35718 you need a more recent nightly[10:50:26] *** mmadia_haiku has quit IRC[10:50:27] <shannara> I download r35923[10:50:55] <vooshy> shannara: ok[10:51:22] <shannara> i uncompressed and write on usb stick[10:52:08] <vooshy> ok, so open terminal and write install-wifi-firmware[10:53:33] <shannara> write on usb stick now[10:57:36] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[10:58:16] <kieselsteini> hi there[10:58:28] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[10:58:52] <kieselsteini> a simple question...on Linux there's a ldd command which display shared object dependencies...is something similar available on Haiku ??[11:00:10] <shannara> thank vooshy[11:00:23] <shannara> ping box is ok[11:00:29] <shannara> I test google[11:00:45] <brechtm> kieselsteini: maybe... ldd? :)[11:01:12] <brechtm> kieselsteini: never mind, I was in an SSH session :)[11:01:36] <shannara> vooshy thank very much[11:01:38] <kieselsteini> hehe I was just wondering...because I got an command not found[11:02:04] *** genkie has quit IRC[11:02:09] <shannara> He needed only the wifi to go on haiku[11:02:24] <shannara> a thousand times thank you[11:02:26] <kieselsteini> yea wifi would be very very nice[11:02:38] <vooshy> shannara: is ok, enjoy haiku[11:02:46] <brechtm> kieselsteini: I guess there's no reason ldd can't run on Haiku[11:02:51] <shannara> its a good day[11:03:06] <kieselsteini> ah...I found a solution[11:03:10] <kieselsteini> readelf -d works[11:03:12] <kieselsteini> fine fine[11:03:54] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[11:03:57] <kieselsteini> native Transmission client for Haiku gogo :D[11:04:24] <shannara> I install on my Hard disk[11:05:01] <kieselsteini> shannara: good luck :)[11:05:14] <kieselsteini> I've installed Haiku on my T500 and it works fine[11:05:29] *** brechtm has quit IRC[11:07:01] <shannara> I'am very happy[11:10:14] <shannara> 50go for haiku OS and 80 for DATA it's good ?[11:12:18] <kieselsteini> if you have that many free space for Haiku :)[11:14:18] <OmniMancer> haiku itself will probably live happily in 10GB[11:15:35] <shannara> Have 160GO Hard Disk[11:16:27] <shannara> currently installed haiku[11:17:40] <kieselsteini> you wan't to use haiku as your day to day os shannara ?[11:18:19] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[11:18:28] <shannara> maybe[11:19:20] <shannara> I am mostly prog (learning)[11:19:21] <shannara> sometimes games[11:19:51] <shannara> If haiku is stable why not[11:23:46] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:24:41] <kieselsteini> :)[11:24:51] *** kageiit has left #haiku[11:25:52] <shannara> I download firefox or arora ?[11:28:26] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[11:29:07] <kieselsteini> cool I managed to compile Transmission (CLI + libtransmission) in Haiku[11:30:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[11:31:54] <shannara> I will try to compile apps for Haiku once I learn the system[11:35:53] <shannara> goodby[11:35:55] *** shannara has quit IRC[11:36:43] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[11:38:25] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[11:42:28] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:44:24] *** sprma has quit IRC[11:44:30] *** kieselsteini is now known as kieselsteini|awa[11:45:27] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[11:47:03] *** vooshy has quit IRC[11:49:02] *** scriptdevil has joined #haiku[11:50:01] <scriptdevil> I am having some problem getting networking working inside virtualbox. The PCNet Fast III does not seem to work[11:50:31] *** sprma has joined #haiku[11:51:29] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[11:52:53] *** kieselsteini|awa is now known as kieselsteini[11:52:55] *** kitallis has quit IRC[11:53:03] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[11:53:21] <kieselsteini> scriptdevil: try to use another NIC in VirtualBox afaik the Intel ones work finde[11:53:23] <kieselsteini> finde[11:53:30] <kieselsteini> argh...fine :D[11:53:48] <scriptdevil> kieselsteini: Yeah. How do I do that?[11:54:45] <kieselsteini> open System/Network and choose another adapter[11:55:06] <scriptdevil> That drop down list box is disabled[11:55:21] <kieselsteini> you have to stop the VM[11:55:53] <kieselsteini> you can only change the nic if the machine is stopped, you won't change a network card on running hardware :D[11:56:36] <scriptdevil> Ok. I stopped the VM[11:56:39] <scriptdevil> Now where?[11:57:18] <kieselsteini> I've only a german version of VirtualBox so I've to guess[11:57:25] <scriptdevil> Please do :)[11:57:33] <kieselsteini> choose you Maschine on the left side[11:57:44] <kirilla> hi guys[11:57:45] <kieselsteini> then klick on System on the right side[11:57:54] <kieselsteini> then open network and choose another NIC[11:58:34] <kieselsteini> hi kirilla[11:58:45] <scriptdevil> Hmmm.. I am using OSE and there does not seem to be such an optionb[12:01:29] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:02:35] <kirilla> scriptdevil: there might be a twister called Advanced[12:02:49] <kirilla> revealing more settings for the network adapter, including the type[12:03:09] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[12:03:30] *** Ola has joined #haiku[12:03:32] <kirilla> I'm using 3.1.4 though, on Ubuntu 8. something[12:03:52] <scriptdevil> kirilla: No :( I think you are using the binary only edition[12:03:57] *** Ola is now known as Guest93756[12:03:57] <scriptdevil> Are you sure it is the OSE?[12:04:31] <kirilla> scriptdevil: yes I think you're right. I think I installed this from the virtualbox website[12:04:54] <scriptdevil> :) Yeah. Thats the binary. I am downloading that too :)[12:05:31] *** Guest93756 is now known as OlaHughson[12:05:51] <kirilla> OlaHughson: what's with the nick-hopping?[12:06:16] <OlaHughson> I use a nick Ola everywhere except freenode.[12:06:35] <kirilla> I see[12:06:52] <kirilla> but why the intermediate step?[12:07:16] <OlaHughson> i am using it on the smale client.[12:07:18] <OlaHughson> same[12:07:25] <OlaHughson> i don't understand.[12:07:27] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:11:03] <kirilla> no worries OlaHughson, I just wondered[12:11:51] <OlaHughson> ^^[12:12:13] <OmniMancer> I am sure OSE VBox should have intel cards though...[12:12:15] <kirilla> I try to filter out joints/parts and nick changes, but it's difficult to have a clean display of just conversation[12:12:55] <kirilla> I suppose most people just accept IRC the way it is, in all its verbosity[12:13:01] <OmniMancer> kirilla: I use pidgin it has a filter for that :P[12:13:18] <OmniMancer> it only shows join/part for recent chatters[12:13:23] <kirilla> OmniMancer: Pidgin does IRC? I'll check it out.[12:13:32] <kirilla> cool, I've been thinking about that[12:13:46] <kirilla> people one have engaged in conversation[12:13:47] <H_MrSun> dododod maybe continue with some more classes ==)[12:14:14] <kirilla> s/have/has[12:14:16] <scriptdevil> kirilla: It does. But irssi is by far the best. Konversation comes next.[12:14:56] <kirilla> so this XChat is really a toy then :):P[12:15:03] *** saimen has joined #haiku[12:15:09] <scriptdevil> Compared to irssi. Very much :P[12:16:29] <OmniMancer> kirilla: beware pidin is mainly an IM client so the irc has an imy feel[12:17:17] <OmniMancer> it does have one feature that's nice though, maybe other clients have it too[12:17:39] <OmniMancer> once a person leaves the room or changes their name all the messages sent under the old name have the name appearing differently[12:18:46] *** Engleek has joined #haiku[12:19:53] *** kieselsteini is now known as kieselsteini|awa[12:21:27] <CIA-45> kirilla * r35924 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mail/MailWindow.cpp: TR()-wrapping of View menu text label. Fixes #5577.[12:27:19] *** lorglas_laptop has joined #haiku[12:33:59] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[12:37:19] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[12:37:44] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[12:39:17] *** kieselsteini|awa is now known as kieselsteini[12:39:53] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:40:05] *** wildur has joined #haiku[12:40:16] *** saivert has quit IRC[12:48:17] *** saivert has joined #haiku[12:50:49] <H_MrSun> yeey soon done witht his damn supportkit =)[12:52:02] <scriptdevil> kirilla: Can you tell me how you got networking running?[12:52:21] <OmniMancer> that means BMessage and BDragger and BShelf and such?[12:52:25] <OmniMancer> scriptdevil:[12:52:33] <OmniMancer> scriptdevil: what networking?[12:52:35] <scriptdevil> OmniMancer: No. In VBox[12:53:01] <OmniMancer> scriptdevil: effectively just have it use an intel card, find some way to make it[12:53:18] <OmniMancer> otherwise there may somewhere exist a driver for the AMD card[12:53:21] <scriptdevil> I cannot find a way to make it use an intel cardf[12:53:26] <scriptdevil> That is why I am struggling[12:53:36] <kirilla> scriptdevil: what version of virtualbox have you got now?[12:54:00] <scriptdevil> 3.1.4 r57640[12:54:07] <scriptdevil> The binary. Not OSE[12:54:35] <OmniMancer> under the machine settings in network[12:55:00] <scriptdevil> OmniMancer: Thanks :D[12:55:04] <OmniMancer> there should be an option to change the adapter[12:55:05] <scriptdevil> I had a saved state[12:55:10] <kirilla> for the specific vm you have created for Haiku, open Settings > Network > Adapter 1 > [X] Enable and use the twister to reveal "Adapter Type", select Intel[12:55:10] <scriptdevil> No wonder it had it disabled[12:55:17] *** kieselsteini is now known as kieselsteini|awa[12:55:25] <scriptdevil> I deleted the saved state and it works now[12:55:43] <kirilla> great :)[12:55:52] <OmniMancer> great[12:56:03] <OmniMancer> saved states tend to make things go wrong :([12:56:06] <scriptdevil> kirilla: Now that ought to give a boost to my Haiku time :D[12:56:13] <kirilla> heh :)[12:56:21] <scriptdevil> OmniMancer: I was kinda lazy to shut down every time :P[12:56:36] <kirilla> I should be using virtualbox.. I reboot a gazillian times a day[12:57:47] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[12:57:52] <scriptdevil> Great. Networking works now![12:57:53] <scriptdevil> :D[12:58:20] <kirilla> (^_^)/ woot![12:59:07] <OmniMancer> scriptdevil: haiku doesn't even take long to boot...[12:59:34] <scriptdevil> OmniMancer: I know. But it does not even boot on my laptop[12:59:42] *** margiolas has quit IRC[12:59:43] <scriptdevil> :([13:00:08] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[13:04:31] <OmniMancer> it doesn't even take long to boot in a VM!!![13:04:44] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[13:05:16] <scriptdevil> Yeah. I know :) Just used to the shortcuts that I use with my Windows[13:05:17] <kirilla> sometimes the vm boots faster, if the real box has more devices which take time to wait on[13:06:13] <OmniMancer> indeed[13:06:51] <OmniMancer> I actually want to see if wireless works on latest nigghtly on this laptop, will temporarily turn WPA2 off on router or setup the other wireless router I have...[13:06:52] *** kitallis has quit IRC[13:07:09] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[13:13:13] *** kieselsteini|awa is now known as kieselsteini[13:16:52] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[13:18:26] *** margiolas has quit IRC[13:18:52] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[13:19:35] <OmniMancer> might setup other router with unencrypted mac filtered wifi with ssid broadcasting off[13:20:11] <scriptdevil> Is it possible to share files between host and haiku yet?[13:20:27] <OmniMancer> there is ssh and ftp :P[13:20:40] <OmniMancer> although those don't work with NAT terribly well[13:20:57] <OmniMancer> I think drivers for vbox are being done but no idea about completion[13:21:20] <scriptdevil> Ok[13:23:52] *** margiolas has quit IRC[13:24:21] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[13:24:37] <OmniMancer> only problem with setting up another router is if I can get it to get the internet from one of its LAN ports[13:24:43] <OmniMancer> since it's a modem router :/[13:25:38] <kieselsteini> hehe...I've to work in the kitchen too, I want Haiku with Internet, because WIFI isn't supported and the router is sitting in the kitchen[13:25:54] *** kitallis has quit IRC[13:26:12] <OmniMancer> :P[13:26:25] <OmniMancer> mine is under a desk in the dining room area[13:26:41] <OmniMancer> I have an ethernet cable to the tower I have hiaku on in there[13:26:56] <OmniMancer> but want to get wireless working on this laptop :P[13:26:59] <ragcsi> hmm[13:27:02] <OmniMancer> gonna restart now actually[13:27:07] <OmniMancer> brb[13:27:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:27:17] <ragcsi> i still have this black screen issue[13:27:28] <ragcsi> downgraded to grub 0.97[13:27:57] <ragcsi> but now i see a message for a second saying "starting up..." before the screen goes all black[13:28:40] <ragcsi> is it the output of haiku's boot code or it's still grub?[13:29:07] <scriptdevil> Did it even show the grub screen?[13:29:45] <ragcsi> yes[13:30:18] <vooshy> spacebar give you the haiku bootloader?[13:30:23] <ragcsi> nope[13:30:33] *** margiolas has quit IRC[13:30:41] <ragcsi> but i don't think "starting up..." is a grub message, it seems more like haiku[13:30:59] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[13:32:27] <kirilla> ragcsi: "Starting up..." is likely grub. I can't find that string in any relevant Haiku component using http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/, and it appears to be a Grub thing, reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405889[13:32:52] <ragcsi> hmm k[13:33:09] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[13:33:43] <vooshy> ragcsi: here is my grub menu.lst http://fixee.org/paste/6kt3q7u/[13:34:03] *** kageiit has joined #haiku[13:34:51] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:35:18] <vooshy> ragcsi: see anything that needs changing on yours?[13:35:46] <ragcsi> nope, it's exactly the same[13:35:51] <kirilla> ragcsi: here's one of my entries: http://fixee.org/paste/wti5x56/[13:35:55] <hdanak> hi, I dd'd haiku to my second partition, and set grub to boot it up, but I get the message "bad superblock"... any idea what's wrong?[13:36:32] <kirilla> ragcsi: you may be aware of this, but just in case: grub numbers devices differently from Linux[13:38:42] <ragcsi> yeah, i know :/[13:38:52] <kirilla> hdanak: which image did you use? raw?[13:39:00] <hdanak> nightly-raw[13:39:08] <hdanak> i built it from source[13:39:11] <ragcsi> uh[13:39:24] <ragcsi> what boot manager do you guys suggest[13:39:29] <ragcsi> i wanna give something else a try[13:39:34] <ragcsi> lilo / plop ?[13:40:04] <hdanak> how do I have jam automatically do makebootable and dd it?[13:40:18] <kirilla> ragcsi: bootman should work ;) for a limited set of 4 primary partitions on the primary disk :P[13:40:27] <kirilla> hdanak: hang on[13:41:03] <ragcsi> kirilla: i have only 3 partitions[13:42:11] <luroh> tried booting from a usb stick?[13:42:16] <kirilla> ragcsi: if you can boot from a Haiku CD you can install "bootman" from it, and it should allow you to save a backup of your MBR to somewhere[13:42:24] <ragcsi> is bootman able to either boot linux or load an other boot manager to boot linux?[13:43:12] <kirilla> ragcsi: as bootman clobbers Grub, you will likely not be able to boot linux, unless you install Grub on the partition boot record and chainload grub from bootman. This is possible, but it's manual work[13:44:20] <kirilla> (it would be cool if bootman and the other components could be made to chainload grub :))[13:44:53] <kirilla> (adding specific grub support to bootman, I mean)[13:44:54] <ragcsi> umh so if i install bootman to the mbr and grub to the boot record of the linux partition[13:44:59] <ragcsi> i could make bootman load grub[13:45:01] <ragcsi> ?[13:45:02] <kirilla> yes[13:45:18] <ragcsi> awesome, i should give that a try[13:48:00] *** scriptdevil has quit IRC[13:49:56] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[13:50:03] <kieselsteini> bye guys[13:50:17] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[13:50:46] <kirilla> ragcsi: this document is old, but the part on installing grub to a partition boot record is relevant: http://www.atheos.cx/download/0.3.7/base/install.txt[13:50:47] <OmniMancer> I am glad to report that wireless works on this laptop[13:51:02] <kirilla> nice[13:51:20] <OmniMancer> now I eagerly await the wifi stack and wpa2 support[13:51:40] <kirilla> ragcsi: search for "To install it on the AFS partition"[13:52:00] <OmniMancer> then I will as well as a decent im client for multiple networks be able to bear being in haiku for longer periods of time on here :P[13:52:41] <kirilla> ragcsi: basically, the idea is to tell grub A) where to install -itself- and B) where to look for its addons and settings (e.g. menu.lst)[13:53:51] <kirilla> OmniMancer: maybe if we set up some vpn service we could run wifi unencrypted :P[13:54:14] <OmniMancer> :P[13:54:21] <kirilla> but it's probably less work to finish the wifi encryption..[13:54:34] * kirilla showers Colin with cash?[13:54:42] <OmniMancer> but the problem is that I want to be able to use encrypted networks[13:54:56] <kirilla> oh yeah, overlooked that :))[13:55:13] * OmniMancer puts colin in a basement with food and doesn't let him out till its done.[13:55:46] <kirilla> food and a crappy pong video game[13:55:51] <OmniMancer> also it must support TKIP authentication and a few other things I shall demand when i find out what they are :P[13:56:18] <kirilla> heh[13:56:40] <OmniMancer> I want to be able to connect to university network[13:56:54] <kirilla> overrated ;)[13:57:00] <OmniMancer> it doesn't use wpa-psk it uses the other one[13:57:35] <OmniMancer> sleeping time its 2am[13:57:50] <kirilla> oh :) where are you at?[13:58:01] <OmniMancer> nz[13:58:06] <kirilla> ah[13:58:19] <kirilla> the other side from me then[13:58:29] <hdanak> so, anyone know how to fix the grub bad superblock error?[13:58:31] <OmniMancer> well see you in the morning perhaps kirilla :P[13:58:43] <kirilla> probably :)[13:58:50] <OmniMancer> night[13:58:59] <kirilla> night![13:59:18] <OmniMancer> what happened to the guy building libpurple?[13:59:31] <kirilla> hdanak: have you tried using makebootable?[13:59:46] *** lorglas_laptop has quit IRC[13:59:51] <OmniMancer> I shall extract answer later night[13:59:58] <vooshy> OmniMancer: things you think about before bed[14:00:02] <kirilla> hdanak: I promised some info, did I :P[14:00:11] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides[14:00:18] <OmniMancer> things I think about before I have to go :P[14:00:24] <OmniMancer> anyway I am going now![14:00:30] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:00:32] <hdanak> kirilla: yeah i looked there[14:00:39] <hdanak> i'm trying to find makebootabletiny[14:00:48] <hdanak> bah its right there[14:01:01] <hdanak> problem is that its 6:04am :)[14:01:10] <kirilla> I'm using an @disk jam target[14:01:27] <kirilla> which builds and writes directly to a partition I've specified in the UserBuildConfig[14:01:35] <kirilla> which also makes it bootable in the process[14:01:56] <kirilla> but the raw images you build should also be bootable[14:02:06] <kirilla> so I'm not sure what goes wrongt[14:02:27] <hdanak> actually i don't think its the makebootable part thats bad[14:02:38] <hdanak> or it doesn't really matter if it is bad[14:02:47] <hdanak> since the error is given by grub[14:03:26] <kirilla> I don't know for sure, but I think grub might error out if it doesn't find the right magic value in a certain byte of the partition boot record[14:04:33] <kirilla> I suppose makebootable takes care of setting that along with whatever else it does, some kind of offset into the partition to find the next loader step.. (is that correct?)[14:04:42] <hdanak> kirilla: thanks a lot, it indeed was it[14:04:53] <kirilla> cool[14:06:47] <hdanak> the screen shouldn't turn black right after the boot screen, right?[14:07:09] <kirilla> does it show the boot up icons first?[14:07:17] <kirilla> 7 icons and the Haiku logo[14:07:28] <kirilla> 7-ish icons[14:07:47] <hdanak> yes[14:07:50] <kirilla> it should turn blue after those[14:07:58] <kirilla> the initial desktop color[14:08:10] <hdanak> hmm, it turns black... i'll try a lower video mode[14:08:18] <kirilla> what's your graphics chip/card?[14:08:37] <kirilla> is that the vm or hardware?[14:09:17] <hdanak> not entirely sure what the chipset is, but its onboard graphics[14:09:36] <hdanak> i could find out, right after i try booting in lower vid mode[14:11:00] <kirilla> by holding shift at the very early boot you should be able to enter the safe boot options menu[14:11:14] <kirilla> where there are some video options[14:11:49] <hdanak> yeah, i lowered it to 800x600 with 16bit color and same problem[14:12:03] <kirilla> and iirc, an option to use vesa even if there is a supposedly suitable driver[14:13:35] <kirilla> vesa usually works and the capabilities of the screen should be autosensed[14:13:56] * labatec is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[14:14:51] *** vooshy has quit IRC[14:15:34] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:17:18] <kirilla> hdanak: there's an option to show bootup message from the kernel and drivers, if you want to know more what's going on[14:18:25] <hdanak> so, i have an intel 82945G/GZ integrated graphics controller[14:18:25] <kirilla> hdanak: capturing that via serial cable or taking a photo with a camera is equally good for a bug report at http://dev.haiku-os.org/, if you think you've run into hardware that should be supported by a current driver, but is not[14:20:42] <kirilla> hdanak: this file lists the currently supported intel chipsets: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/intel_extreme/driver.cpp[14:20:46] <hdanak> hmm, i'm not so sure i have a video card problem though[14:21:26] <hdanak> looks like it should be supported[14:22:56] <kirilla> if it's listed as supported but not working, that's worthy of a bug report[14:23:42] <kirilla> did you try forcing vesa?[14:24:09] <kirilla> if vesa doesn't work, that might indicate some other problem[14:25:09] <H_MrSun> hmm, there is an intel card that does not support linear vesa buffers[14:25:12] <H_MrSun> but has banked[14:25:16] <H_MrSun> and haiku doesnt support banked[14:25:29] <H_MrSun> had problem with one of my computers with haiku due to that[14:25:44] <kirilla> 915?[14:25:48] <H_MrSun> might be the name :)[14:26:13] <kirilla> I don't remember any specifics, but some -15 was difficult, iirc[14:26:13] <H_MrSun> was someone working on a driver for it here before tho[14:26:16] <H_MrSun> dunno where it went[14:26:32] <kirilla> Gerald maybe[14:26:51] <HeTo> i815 is problematic but I think that one supports linear vesa[14:27:05] <HeTo> the problem is only 1MB is reserved by the BIOS for video RAM[14:30:47] <hdanak> yay booted[14:31:03] <hdanak> after checking almost every box in safe mode[14:34:37] <ragcsi> yay i got it to boot too[14:34:46] <ragcsi> bootman perfectly loads grub[14:34:48] <ragcsi> or haiku :p[14:36:20] <kirilla> :)[14:37:22] <ragcsi> thanks for everyone's help :p[14:37:37] <kirilla> np :)[14:38:19] <kirilla> I suppose Linux will not care where grub lives, but just mind about the menu.lst file[14:38:31] <ragcsi> i switched back to grub2[14:38:37] <ragcsi> it doesnt have menu.lst[14:38:42] <kirilla> ah oki[14:39:04] <kirilla> is the procedure to install it this way still the same?[14:39:19] *** pulkomandy has joined #haiku[14:39:40] <ragcsi> not exactly[14:40:15] <ragcsi> there's a script called update-grub, it generates a grub.cfg to /boot/grub from the editable config files located at /etc/grub.d/[14:41:09] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[14:41:30] *** spvensko has quit IRC[14:41:45] <kirilla> what were the steps to install it to the partition instead of to MBR?[14:41:53] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[14:42:22] <ragcsi> i issued the grub-install command with the parameter /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda[14:42:38] <ragcsi> then i ran update-grub and it was done[14:42:38] <kirilla> oh, from within linux :)[14:42:41] <ragcsi> yep :p[14:42:53] *** rennj has quit IRC[14:43:38] <kirilla> I suppose grub could be ported to haiku[14:43:57] <pulkomandy> grub itself doesn't need much[14:44:03] <pulkomandy> but I'm not sure it can read bfs yet[14:44:18] <pulkomandy> and it needs fs access to load the boot menu and all the stuff it needs[14:44:26] *** spvensko has quit IRC[14:44:34] <kirilla> but on the other hand, linux would probably expect the config for itself on one of its own partitions[14:44:42] <pulkomandy> alo it has support for loading a linux kernel, which we don't really need[14:45:03] <hdanak> hmm, dhcp isn't working rigt[14:45:14] <hdanak> is there a commandline tool like dhclient[14:45:44] <hdanak> broadcom 570x[14:45:51] <kirilla> hdanak: ifconfig /device... auto-config[14:46:13] <kirilla> just "ifconfig" will list the device[14:46:17] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:46:51] <kirilla> I too see some weirdness in the net prefs and in NetworkStatus[14:47:52] <hdanak> it doesn't work either[14:48:01] <kirilla> NetworkStatus not updating properly, the network preferences hung with the Apply button depressed, link not properly autosensed or dhcp not being done properly[14:48:24] <hdanak> first time it returned but didn't get a new IP, second time it just hangs[14:48:30] <hdanak> referring to ifconfig ... auto-config[14:48:33] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[14:48:37] <kirilla> but I haven't filed a bug report.. shame on me :][14:49:02] <kirilla> hdanak: same for me with the network prefs at times[14:49:12] <kirilla> rtl8169 I think[14:49:22] <ragcsi> why would you wanna port grub to haiku, bootman is awesome[14:49:37] *** tqh has joined #haiku[14:49:46] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[14:50:07] <kirilla> ragcsi: I know, but people expect grub a lot of the time, and it is capable of doing a lot of things that bootman can't[14:50:20] * kirilla <3 bootman[14:50:27] <hdanak> kirilla: any reason setting static IP wouldn't work?[14:50:32] <kirilla> dunno[14:50:37] <ragcsi> it means we need to work on bootman[14:50:41] <ragcsi> instead of porting grub :p[14:50:59] <kirilla> ragcsi: well... the problem is a different in design[14:51:31] <kirilla> ragcsi: bootman is meant to be a self-contained MBR boot manager.. in theory limited to 512 bytes of machine code[14:51:42] <HeTo> two kilobytes actually[14:51:54] <hdanak> i'm going to just stick in another network card[14:51:56] <Lelldorin1> hi all[14:51:59] <hdanak> broadcom sucks[14:52:13] <kitallis> hey :)[14:52:19] <HeTo> there is always room between the MBR and the first partition, bootman makes use of that[14:52:26] <ragcsi> so anyawy, what's the most efficient way to update an existing haiku install should the need arise :p[14:52:47] <hdanak> is there something like fstab?[14:52:47] <kirilla> ragcsi: use two partitions, ping-pong[14:52:55] <kirilla> hdanak: no[14:53:16] <HeTo> a multiboot-compatible Haiku kernel might be nice in some situations[14:53:30] <hdanak> since i would like to have home be mounted on a seperate partition, and be able to overwrte the first haiku partition with updates[14:53:33] <kirilla> hdanak: there's a mount_server which mounts partitions early in the boot script, based on the mount settings you've set[14:54:37] <kirilla> hdanak: it might work to symlink your home folder to another partition, as long as your settings make it always get mounted[14:54:43] <HeTo> but if you can't load Haiku with grub without chainloading a traditional boot sector, I see little point in installing GRUB on a BFS partition[14:56:35] <kirilla> HeTo: there's a certain subordination in not being the system that owns the MBR[14:56:49] <kirilla> like Windows tries to do, and Linux effectively does[14:57:22] <HeTo> however as Haiku is a desktop system, the need for things like a serial console in boot manager and such is quite little[14:58:07] <HeTo> kirilla: bootman is completely independent of Haiku, you can get rid of the Haiku partition and rewrite it with something else and it will still work[14:58:26] <kirilla> yes, I know[14:58:43] <kirilla> I'm not saying bootman is a way of owning the MBR[14:59:30] <hdanak> why does the network dialog hang??!?[14:59:37] <kirilla> just that a Linux-hosted Grub setup puts Haiku and other systems at a disadvantage, since we now -have- to support writing to the Linux-hosting filesystem to be able to alter its config[14:59:57] <hdanak> isn't the whole point that the UI elements don't hang[15:00:09] <kirilla> hdanak: indeed[15:00:23] *** NightlyUser has joined #haiku[15:00:43] <hdanak> is it a problem with the app_server or network dialog not being thread-friendly?[15:00:47] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:01:07] <kirilla> someone failed to design it properly, doing an ioctl() call directly from the BWindow thread[15:01:25] <kirilla> or rather, I guess that's the situation[15:02:42] <kirilla> hdanak: you have to create threads for these kind of operations that may take time and block on calls to e.g. kernel services[15:03:08] <hdanak> bah, dhcp doesn't work even for this second card[15:03:15] <hdanak> rtl8139[15:03:23] <hdanak> this might be a know issue for this though[15:03:29] <hdanak> let me fish out another card[15:03:39] <kirilla> that card should be supported well[15:04:28] <hdanak> hmm[15:05:10] <hdanak> how about wireless cards... rt2561st[15:06:50] <kirilla> I know little about the wireless cards, but I think they're less likely to work than the common wired ones[15:07:49] <pulkomandy> yes, the wireless code is quite recent and not as well tested[15:07:57] <Lelldorin1> Question: Is there a running NetPenguin Version for latest haiku? here it allways crashed[15:08:08] <mmadia> Engleek ?[15:10:22] <hdanak> any way i can make it go into safe video mode automatically?[15:15:11] <OlaHughson> mrr[15:16:04] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[15:16:10] <H_MrSun> in what library is "beep" defined ?[15:16:30] <mmadia> hdanak : /boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers[15:16:31] <H_MrSun> oh, only exported for c++ ?[15:17:31] <mmadia> hdanak : a file 'vesa' with a line similar to "mode 1280 1024 32" should do the trick[15:17:55] <H_MrSun> meh, how am i supposed to import thati nto d /:[15:17:58] <H_MrSun> into D[15:19:13] <H_MrSun> will i realy have to make a cpp file and export them to C just for the heck of it ... sigh :P[15:19:17] <H_MrSun> WE NEED MORE BEEPS[15:20:04] <kirilla> heh[15:20:11] *** stef_ is now known as stef[15:20:57] * kirilla glues a piezo-electric pc speaker to H_MrSuns head[15:21:08] <stpere> hot glue? :)[15:21:09] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[15:21:14] <kirilla> haha[15:21:52] <Lelldorin1> i need a ftp app[15:22:17] <kirilla> Lelldorin1: what about that japanese ftp app?[15:22:24] <hdanak> mmadia: i guess the problem is, that line is correct, yet somehow it doesn't work automatically[15:22:27] <kirilla> FTPPositive?[15:22:39] <hdanak> i mean, i don't know what it "fixes"[15:22:44] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: thanx i will take a look[15:22:53] <kirilla> np, I hope its on haikuware[15:23:10] <kirilla> iirc it wasn't an optional package, but check there first![15:23:27] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: to get netpenguin running is better, because i have all settings for it ;-)[15:23:43] <kitallis> H_MrSun, you're maintaining the D bindings?[15:24:04] <kirilla> Lelldorin1: heh, yeah me too, but I think it's an old binary, with Zeid Derhally (?) not around lately[15:24:31] <kirilla> maybe it uses liblayout[15:24:59] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: no problem beam too, so i have it at all[15:25:28] <kirilla> Lelldorin1: sorry? I didn't understand that last[15:26:50] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: beam use liblayout too, so i have the librarie allready on my system, but the app does not run. Error: XCould not open "FtpPositive" (Missing symbol: Alignment__5BView.)[15:27:11] <kirilla> hmm..[15:27:52] <kirilla> at least ftppositive is open-source, iirc, so it should be possible to rebuild for a recent haiku[15:27:57] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: will check bebits for a newer version[15:28:10] <kirilla> it was a bit unstable some year ago[15:28:31] <kirilla> there's also "get-it" from even older times :P[15:28:36] <kirilla> no idea if that runs[15:28:59] <kirilla> got to reboot, bbl[15:29:08] *** kirilla has quit IRC[15:30:02] <kitallis> H_MrSun, PM?[15:30:40] <H_MrSun> huh ? :)[15:30:48] <H_MrSun> kitallis, im writing the C and D bindings :P[15:32:03] <kitallis> PM -> private message[15:32:08] <H_MrSun> yeah, but why ? :9[15:32:09] <H_MrSun> :P[15:32:20] <kitallis> nice, nevermind, just had a few questions[15:32:25] <H_MrSun> ahh ok :)[15:32:28] <H_MrSun> wel send away :)[15:32:31] <kitallis> are you doing it from scratch?[15:32:35] <H_MrSun> aye[15:32:41] <kitallis> no SWIG eh?[15:32:43] <H_MrSun> no[15:32:44] <H_MrSun> ![15:32:47] <H_MrSun> swig leaves a mess[15:33:06] <kitallis> how exactly?[15:33:10] <H_MrSun> im thinking of writing some kind of automated C++ -> C bindings stuff but :)[15:33:23] <H_MrSun> kitallis, well names are called whatever and theres classes and structs to left and right[15:33:30] <H_MrSun> ever seen a swig generated thingie? :)[15:33:46] <H_MrSun> its hell on earth and a poophole in the desert :)[15:33:47] <kitallis> yes, i've been binding stuff to ruby[15:35:14] <kitallis> H_MrSun, this is it, http://code.google.com/p/habid/source/browse/ right?[15:35:35] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[15:35:56] <H_MrSun> aye[15:36:44] <H_MrSun> hcb is C layer, hdb is d layer =)[15:36:55] *** jsj has quit IRC[15:37:50] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[15:38:14] *** lorglas_laptop has joined #haiku[15:43:03] <kitallis> can you help me out in starting off a bit? I've been doing some simple sample programs using SWIG[15:43:08] <kitallis> H_MrSun ^[15:45:49] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:46:12] <H_MrSun> kitallis, how do you mean ? ... i dont know swig at all =)[15:46:55] *** vidvisitor has joined #haiku[15:47:07] <kitallis> i know, can you explain how you're trying to go about it?[15:47:17] <vidvisitor> Haiku cannot read ext4, right?[15:47:55] <Auronandace> it can read ext2[15:48:02] <H_MrSun> kitallis, hmm ... well virtual and pure functions calls into D, then if a function is not overloaded D calls back to C with a _super of the function that calls the actual implementation :)[15:48:08] <Auronandace> and it picks up ext3 as ext2[15:48:14] <H_MrSun> i dont realy know how to explain it :/[15:48:30] <Auronandace> but no, i don't think it reads ext4[15:48:56] <H_MrSun> hmm, stupid c++ overloaded functions makes me have to write a freakin c++ file for them .. :P[15:49:06] <H_MrSun> and call them _1 and _2 to be able to import them[15:55:02] <hUMUNGUs> anyone got a clue as to when we will see any progress on the Lava project ? http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/lava[15:55:32] <ragcsi> what tool can i use for setting up the wifi connection?[15:55:41] <hdanak> hmm, so even with a static ip, etc, I cannot ping/connect to anything[15:55:45] *** DDevine has joined #haiku[15:55:49] <mmadia> hUMUNGUs : you'd need to nudge stargater[15:56:36] <hUMUNGUs> ok ![15:56:49] <hUMUNGUs> not around i see[15:58:12] *** willll has joined #haiku[15:59:13] <hdanak> is this a bug in the latest revision? how can I find out whether the problem is dhcp or not?[16:01:07] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[16:02:55] *** sprma has quit IRC[16:03:10] <H_MrSun> kitallis, for just functions without virtual i just let D call them directly, if there is a virtual function, i make a overload of the classes function called the same, that calls bind_whatever inside of D, that calls classfunction in D, if it has been overloaded it calls the overloaded function else the class function calls back to c with the _super function that calls the actual c++ implementation :P[16:03:13] <H_MrSun> a bit messy :)[16:03:16] <kirilla> hdanak: maybe the syslog says somethign[16:04:31] <hdanak> kirilla: it says that the DHCP Daemon timed out a number of times[16:05:01] <kirilla> hdanak: could perhaps be a link issue[16:05:29] <kirilla> hdanak: unless there is no dhcp service on your subnet (but this is unlikely with todays home routers)[16:05:38] <hdanak> it works with debian[16:06:09] <kirilla> I mean an issue with the driver resulting in it thinking there is no link[16:06:10] <hdanak> i'm using internet sharing (dhcp + NAT) on another laptop[16:06:28] <hdanak> hmm, i think it knows there is a link, according to the syslog[16:06:54] <hdanak> it detects when i plug/unplug the cable[16:07:26] <hdanak> the thing is, the same happens for 2 cards[16:07:53] <kirilla> hdanak: if you have the NetworkStatus app running, does it show the link changes?[16:09:17] <mmadia> and what's the other card?[16:09:43] <mmadia> iirc, the rtl8139's driver isn't the best.[16:10:08] <hdanak> bcm5751[16:10:52] <H_MrSun> http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=11773[16:10:57] <H_MrSun> something liek that =) kitallis[16:10:58] *** StreaK|ON has joined #haiku[16:11:06] * DDevine has an Atheros PCI card in his laptop now![16:11:07] <StreaK|ON> hi all[16:12:03] <H_MrSun> so if you just call DMyClass::SomeFunc() it will directly call the MyClass::SomeFunc in C++, but if something inside C++ calls the MyClassProxy::SomeFunc inside C++ then it will call bind_SomeFunc that calls to D, if it has been overloaded it will call the overloaded D function, else it will call SomeFunc_super that in turn calls MyClass::SomeFunc :)[16:12:08] <H_MrSun> and the cycle is complete :P[16:12:31] <H_MrSun> so that HaikuAPI is extenable inside of D =)[16:12:43] <kitallis> wait, i need to grok[16:13:41] <H_MrSun> so if you instanciate a DMyClass and somewhere inside C++ the SomeFunc is called you will get a "not overloaded" on screen, but if oyu instanciate a DMyClass2 and something inside C++ calls SomeFunc it will print "overloaded" on screen =)[16:13:54] <H_MrSun> as the D function is overridden :)[16:13:58] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[16:16:33] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[16:16:38] <hdanak> mmadia: weird, i'm getting a similar problem with intel ethernet pro 100 card[16:16:58] <hdanak> except this time it isn't seeing a link[16:22:14] *** StreaK|ON has quit IRC[16:22:44] *** lorglas_laptop has quit IRC[16:26:22] *** franxico has joined #haiku[16:26:25] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[16:28:52] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[16:29:13] *** mmadia has quit IRC[16:29:54] *** pulkomandy has quit IRC[16:32:07] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:35:06] *** burmas has joined #haiku[16:36:25] <CIA-45> laplace * r35925 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/ (12 files): (log message trimmed)[16:36:25] <CIA-45> Changes for ticket #5227.[16:36:25] <CIA-45> * Use a slider instead of radio buttons for timeout options.[16:36:25] <CIA-45> * Added timeout options 'after 0 seconds', 'after one minute'.[16:36:25] <CIA-45> * Removed timeout options 'after 10 and 15 seconds'.[16:36:25] <CIA-45> * Timeout can now be disabled pressing the 'ALT' key at boot time.[16:36:26] <CIA-45> Other:[16:37:27] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[16:37:38] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[16:38:13] *** kirilla has quit IRC[16:39:13] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[16:39:57] *** murakawa has joined #haiku[16:44:29] <hdanak> thats so weird, it gets an IP address when I connect it to a router...[16:44:37] <hdanak> yet not my laptop[16:44:49] <hdanak> even though it worked for debian[16:45:41] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[16:46:22] *** vidvisitor has quit IRC[16:49:19] <MrSunshine> kitallis, im on this computer also, had to reboot the other compute for my gf she wanted to watch youtube[16:49:31] *** owll has joined #haiku[16:49:43] *** owll has left #haiku[16:50:12] *** DDevine has quit IRC[16:51:16] <kitallis> MrSunshine, Oh, i thought I lost you :P I'm still understanding[16:51:23] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[16:51:31] <MrSunshine> undetanding ? :)[16:51:32] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[16:51:34] <kitallis> MrSunshine, where are you actually link the beos header?[16:51:34] <MrSunshine> understanding ?[16:51:41] <kitallis> linking*[16:51:43] <kitallis> in the code.[16:52:16] <MrSunshine> ahh its the "class MyClass" is a simulated class with a virtual function[16:52:17] <kitallis> does D provide some sort of extension procedure?[16:52:26] <MrSunshine> extension procedure ?[16:52:47] <MrSunshine> bind_ is what is called over to the other language, that is supposed to call the instanciated objects coresponding function[16:53:04] <MrSunshine> so if it has not been overloaded it just calls the base classes, if it has been overloaded it will call the overloaded function insted[16:58:09] <kitallis> MrSunshine, DataIO is fully done right?[16:58:15] <MrSunshine> aye[16:58:16] <kitallis> support/DataIO[16:58:19] <kitallis> k[16:58:20] <MrSunshine> DataIO has pure functions tho[16:58:27] <MrSunshine> then theres under classes of those[16:58:38] <MrSunshine> it all became a bit of a mess but seems to work :P[16:59:25] <largo> *sigh*[16:59:36] <largo> I'm about to get booted from the Haiku mailing list.[16:59:41] * largo shuffles off to eat some breakfast.[17:00:02] <kitallis> MrSunshine, so, my first question was this, what exactly does module Support.DataIO mean? how are you linking the header files?[17:00:31] <kitallis> MrSunshine, for example, with ruby, i need to call ruby.h and the correspoinding header say, DataIO.h[17:00:33] <MrSunshine> kitallis, its D specefic it just names the module[17:00:43] <MrSunshine> im importing the functions like you would in any other language[17:00:49] <MrSunshine> therefor i have to flatten it all to C first[17:00:59] <kitallis> ah[17:01:24] <MrSunshine> extern (C) extern { } is the imported ones, extern (C) { } is the exported ones[17:01:25] <MrSunshine> in D[17:01:40] <ragcsi> largo: wtf, what did you do :D[17:01:40] *** spvensko has quit IRC[17:01:42] <kitallis> are so these are predef rules[17:01:49] <kitallis> s/are/ah[17:02:34] <largo> ragcsi: I lodged a slightly verbose complaint about the "Holy Bible" discussion on there. :P[17:02:46] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[17:02:55] <kitallis> MrSunshine, did you refer to some draft for D?[17:03:07] <largo> with a lack of pithiness and a certainly pronounced lack of tact.[17:03:26] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:03:40] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[17:04:02] <kirilla> largo: are you justin?[17:04:10] <largo> kirilla: that would be me.[17:04:14] <kirilla> well hello! :)[17:04:17] <mmadia> No need for emails of that nature, largo.[17:04:21] <largo> (^_^)/[17:05:13] <largo> mmadia: I don't like people having the impression that they can publicly blabber about their idiocy without someone interjecting the fact that they're being idiots. I really dislike people thinking they have some special exemption from critical assessment.[17:05:16] *** spvensko has quit IRC[17:05:19] <mmadia> (granted, i've ignored most of the thread, so i don't know what was said beforehand)[17:05:40] <largo> I was going to ignore it until someone added another post to it...[17:05:54] <largo> and I woke up this morning with a hangover and felt a little ... touchy.[17:06:04] <largo> so I spoke my mind so to speak.[17:06:07] <kirilla> largo: rest assured that this scripture viewer will not find a home in the canonical Haiku distribution or source repo[17:06:27] <largo> kirilla: I know. that wasn't the point I was addressing.... and trust me, I did try to overlook it.[17:06:35] <largo> you know, let people do their own thing etc.[17:07:18] <vooshy> maybe the topic should be moved to 3rd party apps if it will not be included in haiku[17:07:20] <mmadia> there's a sayin -- don't drive angry. same goes for emailing ((public) mailing lists (that are also publicly archived)).[17:07:51] <kirilla> yes, there's usually nothing good coming out of calling people idiots, even when they are[17:08:03] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[17:08:31] <largo> mmadia: I have no problem making my views known on the matter. :)[17:08:42] <largo> for posterity. ;)[17:09:01] <largo> kirilla: I know. it's a character flaw of mine. :/[17:09:41] <mmadia> ... it also looks poorly upon the project.[17:09:48] <largo> which reminds me of a humorous story. :D You know how people always say "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" ? which you might be unsurprised to know that I hear somewhat often... ;) Well anyway, the reality is that you in fact catch more flies with vinegar than honey.[17:10:21] <kirilla> largo: I must admit I was a bit peeved by your reply to me yesterday(?)[17:10:27] <largo> And that in itself is a bit of a lesson in the fact that just because you've been told something many times and most people believe it, doesn't mean it's actually true... and the actual facts might surprise you if you actually look into them.[17:10:50] <largo> kirilla: oh, are you the guy I was bickering with about the cursor stuff? :( Sorry about that...[17:11:03] *** Koki_ has joined #haiku[17:11:03] <kirilla> heh :), yes that was me[17:11:08] <kirilla> no worries[17:11:10] <ragcsi> all i can say is: http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/441srsly-u-guys.jpg[17:11:14] <Koki_> good morning folks[17:11:22] <largo> Koki_: morning chief. :)[17:11:25] <kirilla> haha[17:11:38] <largo> ragcsi: "service temporarily unavailable".[17:11:48] <Koki_> kirilla: thanks for localizing the View menu in Mail app[17:11:50] <kirilla> cats, like cryptonite[17:11:53] <ragcsi> largo: you might be out of the internetz then, sir[17:11:56] <largo> ragcsi: I happen to like http://api.ning.com/files/TAQisU8LBDTC4tC2heaDQOeZS-Rrz2YNGCp-ALFZ1sJzULMurkS8G5BTohOglWuUPCEePfSXGLMBkHkrH2gmH7CuAYuO65-A/arguingontheinternet.jpg[17:11:58] <largo> ;)[17:12:33] <kirilla> Koki_: np! :) wonder why it didn't get spotted earlier[17:13:00] <largo> mmadia: and yes, you're right. Sorry. :( (but to me personally I think a bunch of grown people believing in fairytales reflects poorly on the project as well... although I realize that that's sadly probably not the popular consensus.)[17:13:04] <Koki_> kirilla: I suspect not a lot of people use Mail[17:13:16] *** n9986 has quit IRC[17:13:43] <largo> I broke down a few years ago and switched to gmail.[17:13:50] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[17:14:05] <kirilla> Koki_: you're probably right, but I think we should make it shiny nevertheless[17:14:12] <largo> too much trouble to deal with setting up mail servers, having my ISPs give me guff about them... losing the ability to host them when I moved to a new place etc... :([17:14:28] <vooshy> kirilla: i use Mail[17:14:43] <largo> yay French Toast! brb...[17:14:45] <kirilla> vooshy: :)[17:14:50] <Koki_> kirilla: I agree[17:15:15] <mmadia> Engleek ?[17:15:32] *** murakawa has quit IRC[17:16:00] <Koki_> kirilla: what would be nice is a very minimalistic email client as a layer of abstraction to manage emails, but that uses all the existing mail-related services available in Haiku (mail accounts, People files, filters, etc.)[17:16:41] <Koki_> anyway, soccer time here. bbl[17:17:23] <kirilla> Koki_: agreed[17:18:09] *** n9986 has quit IRC[17:18:48] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[17:20:03] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[17:24:58] *** kageiit has left #haiku[17:27:36] *** luroh has quit IRC[17:29:44] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[17:30:17] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:37:44] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:37:45] *** saivert has quit IRC[17:38:11] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[17:41:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:42:28] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[17:43:35] *** Megaf has quit IRC[17:43:56] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:44:27] *** saivert has joined #haiku[17:44:39] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[17:46:12] *** scriptdevil has joined #haiku[17:46:37] <scriptdevil> Is BePDF still being actively developed? Or is an alternative in the cards[17:46:54] <scriptdevil> I was using it today. And it seems feels very slow[17:47:00] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:47:04] <scriptdevil> *feels[17:50:11] *** nopper has joined #haiku[17:51:06] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[17:51:14] *** DaaT has quit IRC[17:52:06] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[17:55:27] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[17:57:06] *** dakdagi has joined #haiku[17:58:37] <CIA-45> bonefish * r35926 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/FileRules:[17:58:37] <CIA-45> Patch by Andreas F?\195?\164rber:[17:58:37] <CIA-45> CopySetHaikuRevision: Added support for extracting the svn revision number[17:58:37] <CIA-45> from an hg repository.[18:00:02] <largo> scriptdevil: someone was just talking about it yesterday...[18:00:19] <scriptdevil> largo: Oh... Is this channel logged?[18:00:50] <mmadia> told you that you'd find something to work on scriptdevil ;)[18:01:20] <scriptdevil> mmadia: :D Yeah. I think I should try a quicker pdf viewer. Or write on. Haiku style :P[18:01:26] <scriptdevil> Would be an excellent learning project[18:01:50] <mmadia> http://bepdf.sourceforge.net/[18:02:01] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[18:02:23] <scriptdevil> mmadia: Saw that[18:02:25] <largo> kirilla, Kokito, and Anarchos were talking about it...[18:02:28] <Koki_> scriptdevil: leaving aside the fact that it can be slow, bepdf is actually quite nice[18:02:37] <scriptdevil> There have been commits in Feb[18:02:54] <scriptdevil> Koki_: Yeah... Let me just start hacking through the code then..[18:02:54] <largo> scriptdevil: they didn't really say anything important. :P[18:03:11] <kirilla> talking about what?[18:03:21] <Koki_> scriptdevil: bepdf can properly render some files that don't look right in envince, for example[18:03:34] <scriptdevil> Koki_: Hmmm[18:03:43] <kirilla> I think we talked about an FTP client[18:03:59] <scriptdevil> I wouldn't know :P I have been an okular/epdfview user for a long time[18:04:20] <scriptdevil> Koki_: Well.. Is PDFLib even opensource? :-?[18:04:31] <Koki_> and it has support for DnD to the desktop which, combined with the data translators, allows you to easily convert content in a PDF to a graphic[18:04:43] <Koki_> scriptdevil: don't know :)[18:05:27] <scriptdevil> Koki_: Well.. Sorry. They are using PDFLib lite which is free. And yeah. Then I will just try working on improving the existing codebase[18:05:51] <largo> scriptdevil: http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1269039600 (search for BePDF if you're curious)[18:05:51] *** saivert has quit IRC[18:06:22] <Koki_> I think BePDF also has support for extended attributes[18:07:10] <scriptdevil> Aah! Anarchos was actually telling me to try working on BePDF[18:07:14] <scriptdevil> But I was gone by then...[18:07:36] <Koki_> scriptdevil: all being said, I would have to agree with you that it is on the slow side[18:07:56] <scriptdevil> Koki_: :) Will see if I can offer a hand![18:10:13] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[18:12:58] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[18:13:30] *** surrounder has quit IRC[18:13:55] *** saivert has joined #haiku[18:14:25] *** spvensko has quit IRC[18:14:32] *** personian has joined #haiku[18:15:34] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[18:17:59] *** ffea has joined #haiku[18:18:13] *** kirilla has quit IRC[18:18:23] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[18:20:14] *** leszek has joined #haiku[18:21:01] <leszek> hi[18:21:41] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[18:21:51] *** Disreali has quit IRC[18:22:27] <scriptdevil> leszek: hey![18:23:24] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[18:23:44] <scriptdevil> Why does BePDF use its own toolkit?[18:27:31] <kirilla> scriptdevil: is that liblayout you're referring to?[18:27:38] <scriptdevil> ltk[18:27:57] <kirilla> weird, never heard of it[18:27:59] <scriptdevil> kirilla: I do not think so. The CVS checkout had something called ltk in it[18:28:30] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[18:30:04] <kirilla> you know something cool? :P I made the original BePDF icon.. the bitmap used before.. replaced now.. and the image of the Bee was really stolen.. :))[18:30:29] <kirilla> impressive huh[18:30:29] <scriptdevil> Cool :D[18:30:57] <scriptdevil> Well.. I found out that ltk was possibly an xpdf dependency[18:31:35] <scriptdevil> Hmmm...[18:33:15] <kirilla> I think BePDF uses liblayout though, since it predates Haiku and (not surprisingly) Haiku's recent layout api[18:33:53] <MadEchidna> mmadia: my broadcom isnt supported by haiku yet[18:33:56] <kirilla> liblayout is not really a toolkit though and could probably be replaced without too much effort[18:34:02] <MadEchidna> *puppy tears*[18:34:27] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:35:13] <DraX> umm wow, we have someone working full time on gallium and ddin't even know[18:35:18] <scriptdevil> kirilla: Well. I am already looking for alternative toolkits...[18:36:09] <MadEchidna> hey guys how difficult is it to port simple cli apps from linux[18:36:16] <kirilla> scriptdevil: umm.. if it's for BePDF, why not use the native interface kit?[18:36:23] <mmadia> DraX : aljen isn't working full time. :|[18:36:30] <kirilla> MadEchidna: it depends on what they do[18:36:51] <MadEchidna> i'd like to see a port of sbagen[18:36:55] <kirilla> MadEchidna: you should ask someone from Haiku Ports[18:36:59] <scriptdevil> kirilla: Oh... Wait.. I am sorry. I meant I am looking for Alternate PDF libraries. I will surely be using the Interface kit[18:37:09] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[18:37:10] <kirilla> scriptdevil: ah oki :)[18:37:10] <MadEchidna> it just outputs tones to OSS[18:37:46] <kirilla> MadEchidna: you may have to do some proper porting then[18:38:56] <DraX> mmadia: look at post on the gsoc thread about gallium[18:38:57] <kirilla> MadEchidna: guessing that any timing and audio facilities used are linux-only[18:39:13] <DraX> well he said something like pretty much full time[18:39:14] <scriptdevil> Ok. I am off![18:39:22] <kirilla> MadEchidna: if you have any coding experience, try it![18:39:29] <scriptdevil> bye kirilla[18:39:33] <kirilla> cu scriptdevil![18:39:37] *** scriptdevil has left #haiku[18:39:42] <DraX> and it's not aljen[18:39:52] <MadEchidna> well sbagen runs on windows too[18:40:00] <MadEchidna> I'm pretty sure it just outputs raw wavs[18:41:01] <kirilla> if that is true, and it can be piped to a sound device or put into a buffer and sent into the Media Kit, then I'm guessing it should port easily[18:41:50] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[18:41:53] <mmadia> DraX : is Nouveau part of gallium?[18:42:24] <DraX> nouveau is open source nvidia driver[18:42:52] <leszek> nouveau is one of the first drivers build upon gallium3d architectur[18:42:54] <leszek> e[18:43:08] <stpere> mmadia: yes[18:43:43] <kirilla> MadEchidna: the mere property of already being available for multiple platforms does not necessarily equate being easy to port to Haiku. But I hope you're right about sbagen.[18:43:51] <leszek> the really interesting thing about nouveau right now is the multi-monitor / twin-view support for almost every chip[18:44:15] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[18:44:58] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[18:47:13] <kirilla> bbl[18:47:18] *** kirilla has quit IRC[18:57:08] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:01:36] *** Koki_ has quit IRC[19:04:33] *** spvensko has quit IRC[19:06:19] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[19:07:27] *** cryptic has quit IRC[19:08:08] *** Disreali2 has joined #haiku[19:09:29] <Disreali2> greetings[19:10:57] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[19:13:37] <CIA-45> mmadia * r35927 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage:[19:13:37] <CIA-45> Updated a comment to reflect the value of HAIKU_DEFAULT_IMAGE_SIZE.[19:13:37] <CIA-45> No functional change.[19:14:50] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:15:03] *** Ghostride has quit IRC[19:15:11] *** Ghostride has joined #haiku[19:16:19] <CIA-45> scottmc * r35928 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Updated python to 2.6.5[19:18:28] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[19:18:29] *** |judgen| has joined #haiku[19:18:44] *** judgen has quit IRC[19:30:30] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:31:32] <MadEchidna> kirilla left damn[19:31:36] <MadEchidna> what do you guys thing about this[19:31:38] <MadEchidna> "ther platforms are mostly untested, but file output should be possible anywhere (including DOS), with real-time audio output on anything with Linux-style /dev/dsp, Win32 audio calls, or Mac OS CoreAudio."[19:32:58] <Disreali2> sorry, no idea. the ones that would don't seem to be araound atm[19:33:25] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[19:33:43] <Kokito> MadEchidna, what do you mean by "ther platforms"?[19:33:53] <vooshy> kirilla: welcome back[19:34:04] <kirilla> thanks vooshy[19:35:10] <MadEchidna> other platforms[19:35:19] <MadEchidna> kirilla I just checked the website for sbagen[19:35:24] <Kokito> ah, ok :)[19:35:29] <Kokito> bbl[19:35:48] <MadEchidna> "other platforms are mostly untested, but file output should be possible anywhere (including DOS), with real-time audio output on anything with Linux-style /dev/dsp, Win32 audio calls, or Mac OS CoreAudio."[19:35:59] <MadEchidna> so now I just need to figure out how to compile it :P[19:36:32] <kirilla> sounds promising :)[19:36:48] <MadEchidna> so I'm a total n00b when it comes to programming[19:36:55] <MadEchidna> I downloaded the tar with the source in it[19:37:03] <MadEchidna> and there are some binaries and a couple of C files[19:37:38] <MadEchidna> ~/sbagen-1.4.4> gcc sbagen.c /boot/home/sbagen-1.4.4/sbagen.c:105: #error UNIX_TIME or WIN_TIME not defined. Maybe you did not define one of T_LINUX/T_MINGW/T_MACOSX/etc ? /boot/home/sbagen-1.4.4/sbagen.c:112: #error UNIX_MISC or WIN_MISC not defined. Maybe you did not define one of T_LINUX/T_MINGW/T_MACOSX/etc ?[19:39:56] <MadEchidna> oh I think I see what I need to do[19:40:03] <MadEchidna> I'll try defining USE_OSS[19:40:27] <kirilla> MadEchidna: maybe the mk-nodevdsp compile script might be a good start[19:40:41] <kirilla> just add -lbe -lroot and remove the -lm[19:41:53] <kirilla> (I just had a quick look at the sbagen-1.4.4.tgz)[19:42:06] <MadEchidna> hm[19:42:08] <HeTo> you shouldn't need -lroot[19:42:40] <kirilla> HeTo: Is that implicitly pulled in by our gcc?[19:43:29] <HeTo> kirilla: it is[19:43:43] <HeTo> also, I don't know if you need -lbe[19:44:23] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[19:44:23] <MadEchidna> oh wo[19:44:28] <MadEchidna> haiku is so smart it's scary[19:44:29] <HeTo> I think that should only have BeOS(/Haiku)-specific APIs, and chances are sbagen doesn't use them[19:44:38] <MadEchidna> I just threw my old sbagen folder in the trash so I could start fresh[19:44:48] <MadEchidna> and forgot to change the directory in terminal[19:44:54] <MadEchidna> but it was already in trash for me 0_0[19:46:19] <MadEchidna> ~/Desktop/sbagen-1.4.4> sh mk-nodevdsp /boot/develop/tools/gnupro/i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lm collect2: ld returned 1 exit status[19:46:22] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:46:47] <kirilla> libmath[19:46:55] <leszek> re[19:47:00] <kirilla> we don't have that as a separate thing[19:47:07] <kirilla> its part of libroot, iirc[19:47:22] <kirilla> try removing "-lm"[19:47:29] <MadEchidna> okay[19:48:11] <kirilla> largo: still around?[19:49:33] <MadEchidna> holy shit[19:49:35] <MadEchidna> ~/Desktop/sbagen-1.4.4> sbagen SBaGen - Sequenced Binaural Beat Generator, version 1.4.4 Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Jim Peters, http://uazu.net/, all rights reserved, released under the GNU GPL v2. See file COPYING.[19:49:41] <MadEchidna> thanks kirilla[19:49:41] *** dakdagi has quit IRC[19:49:42] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[19:49:45] <MadEchidna> it compiled and ran :D[19:49:48] <kirilla> MadEchidna: :)[19:49:56] <MadEchidna> I learned something today ^_^[19:50:47] <kirilla> should be able to output wav files, I suppose, and piping raw output to something.. I don't know if Haiku has somethign in /dev/audio that can be piped into[19:51:17] <kirilla> something named mixer or dsp maybe[19:51:53] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[19:52:38] <kirilla> there's some issue with MediaPlayer and wave files, btw, making it not play at first[19:53:05] <kirilla> I'm not sure if it happens always or just with Audio CDs[19:55:46] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:56:46] *** |judgen| has quit IRC[19:56:50] *** franxico has quit IRC[19:57:37] <MadEchidna> kirilla: ~/Desktop/sbagen-1.4.4> sbagen -O scripts/p-drop Badly constructed time "sub", line 3: sub usage {[19:58:13] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[19:58:39] <kirilla> MadEchidna: does it work with any other script?[19:58:58] <MadEchidna> oh woops[19:59:03] <MadEchidna> those are shell scripts[19:59:15] <MadEchidna> I just ran it with the right kind of script and I get a bunch of garbage scrolling[19:59:25] <kirilla> that's output[19:59:29] <MadEchidna> yeah[19:59:37] <MadEchidna> now I just need to define a file to output to[19:59:43] <kirilla> visualization ;)[19:59:47] <MadEchidna> hahah[20:00:00] <kirilla> or just pipe to file-named-whatever[20:00:04] <kirilla> sorry[20:00:10] <kirilla> sbagen > file[20:00:16] *** sarav1919 has joined #haiku[20:02:12] <MadEchidna> Outputting 16-bit WAV data at 44100 Hz, file size 481572044 bytes[20:02:16] <MadEchidna> this is a triumph[20:02:18] <MadEchidna> huge success[20:03:07] <kirilla> :)[20:03:38] <MadEchidna> and..[20:03:44] <MadEchidna> it plays perfectly in mediaplayer[20:03:47] <MadEchidna> wow[20:04:12] <sarav1919> Hi all :)[20:04:17] <MadEchidna> maybe if I can learn some basic UI design I'll make an iDoser clone for Haiku ;)[20:04:28] <kirilla> a little GUI, some media kit integration, registering a filetype for scripts maybe[20:04:52] <OmniMancer> hmm?[20:05:21] <kirilla> MadEchidna: yes, a nice project to start with, I think[20:05:33] <MadEchidna> :)[20:05:36] <kirilla> not knowing what iDoser is though :)[20:05:40] <kirilla> alarm clock?[20:05:40] <sarav1919> is it possible to run qemu inside Haiku ?[20:05:41] <MadEchidna> oh[20:05:45] <MadEchidna> hold on a sec[20:05:48] <MadEchidna> sarav1919 yep[20:05:56] <OmniMancer> what is iDoser?[20:06:02] <MadEchidna> I'll explain[20:06:05] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:06:11] <MadEchidna> iDoser is a commercial program based on sbagen[20:06:25] <MadEchidna> you listen to binaural beat scripts and it messes with your brain[20:06:45] <MadEchidna> you can buy drug simulation scrips for about $3[20:07:11] <kirilla> haha :) maybe we can increase our programmers productivity and fund development, at the same time![20:07:13] <MadEchidna> since iDoser is really just a front end for sbagen, it actually outputs an SBG file disguised as a temporary file when it's running[20:07:23] <MadEchidna> kirilla no doubt![20:07:43] <MadEchidna> so it's pretty easy to convert the "drugs" to sbg[20:07:52] <OmniMancer> what is sbagen?[20:08:02] <MadEchidna> in fact I just remembered, I actually wrote an article about this[20:08:04] <MadEchidna> gimmie a sec[20:08:21] <kirilla> HaiDrugz[20:08:23] <MadEchidna> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/18/get-messed-up-with-i-doser/[20:08:40] <mmadia> OmniMancer : it's an audio entrancement program that can be used as a tool for meditation. ...[20:08:59] <mmadia> it's key priniciple is that the brain is both a chemical & electrical engine.[20:09:04] <MadEchidna> hi mmadia[20:09:16] <mmadia> hello.[20:09:16] <MadEchidna> kirilla and I just got sbagen working on haiku :D[20:09:38] <mmadia> the frequencies are in non-audible ranges, 0.1~40 Hz.[20:09:38] <largo> kirilla: oops, yeah, sorry. what's up?[20:09:42] <kirilla> and now we can have drugs :-)[20:10:21] <mmadia> but by applyign 100 Hz to one ear and 105 Hz to the other (via stereo headphones), the brain inteprets it as 5 Hz.[20:10:38] * largo was just reading http://www.osnews.com/story/23031/Mozilla_Stick_to_Your_Ideals_Shun_H264[20:10:49] <MadEchidna> kirilla, I'm going to set up a little google site with the binary I just made, and some drug files[20:10:51] <mmadia> over time, you can learn to consciously tune your brain to it, much like a tuning fork.[20:10:54] <MadEchidna> if you feel like giving it a shot :P[20:11:09] <MadEchidna> I have 80 "liberated" idoser files[20:11:48] <MadEchidna> now for another n00b question[20:11:59] <MadEchidna> I should be able to distribute this binary by itself right[20:12:02] <MadEchidna> since it's just a simple C app[20:12:15] <MadEchidna> and how do I know which version of GCC I used to compile it?[20:12:29] <OmniMancer> does it depend on anything other than the standard libraries[20:12:41] <mmadia> OmniMancer : it's possible to achieve the same net effect using visual stimulus[20:12:53] <OmniMancer> and you can tell by typing setgcc in a hybrid[20:13:06] <mmadia> eg, closed eyes + leds on sunglasses that blink[20:13:16] <sarav1919> how to install qemu in haiku[20:13:19] <sarav1919> ???[20:13:33] <kirilla> largo: I just wanted to say that fwiw I enjoyed your rant :] I'm not saying I think it's okay to call people idiots, just that I found it entertaining.[20:14:15] <largo> yeah. I need to work on the insults part. ;) I tend to let my emotions get the better of me in such instances.[20:14:40] <kirilla> I think you set a new rant record in the history of Haiku. :))[20:14:53] <mmadia> *on a single email message ;)[20:15:00] <MadEchidna> sarav1919 I'll get you a lin[20:15:03] <MadEchidna> *link[20:15:14] <DraX> is this on the mercurial thread?[20:15:18] <DraX> the never ending one[20:15:23] <OmniMancer> what rant is this?[20:15:29] <kirilla> the one on religion[20:15:36] *** kazaa_lite has quit IRC[20:15:40] <DraX> oh on haiku[20:15:42] <Kokito> damn! I have competition now :P[20:15:52] <kirilla> lol Kokito[20:16:05] <MadEchidna> http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/emulators/computer-systems/qemu-gui-haiku[20:16:07] <MadEchidna> that's the gui[20:16:18] <Disreali2> you guys refering to the bible ml this?[20:16:19] <MadEchidna> http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/emulators/computer-systems/qemu[20:16:23] <MadEchidna> and there's qemu itself[20:16:47] <kirilla> MadEchidna: liberating purchased files may be a copyright infringing[20:16:54] <MadEchidna> kirilla[20:16:58] <MadEchidna> oops[20:17:03] <kirilla> infringment?[20:17:07] <MadEchidna> kirilla yeah, that's why you do it quietly :P[20:17:16] <kirilla> me?.. no no no ;)[20:17:25] <kirilla> jk[20:17:31] <MadEchidna> the fact is iDoser stole sbagen and it took years to get them to fess up[20:17:36] <MadEchidna> so fair game if you ask me[20:17:42] <MadEchidna> they STILL aren't completely gpl complient[20:17:56] <kirilla> ah the good old license[20:18:39] <MadEchidna> this just in: Google doesn't like Bezilla[20:18:40] <MadEchidna> "We will be phasing out support for your browser soon. Learn more[20:18:41] <Disreali2> however the scrpts could still be copywritten[20:18:50] <MadEchidna> of course they are Disreali2[20:18:56] <MadEchidna> I'm talking about hacker ethics not law[20:18:57] *** margiolas has quit IRC[20:19:18] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[20:20:00] <Disreali2> MadEchidna, I think that is about mozilla 2 branch[20:20:02] <DraX> largo: wow, that is an impressive rant[20:20:23] <MadEchidna> where is this rant[20:20:29] <Disreali2> mail list[20:20:57] <MadEchidna> any chance you could paste it to me in /msg?[20:21:05] <Disreali2> i just came accross is earlier and avoided it[20:21:10] <DraX> it's in the archives[20:21:16] <Disreali2> it is on freelist.org[20:22:29] <Disreali2> actually I have the wrong url[20:22:37] <largo> (^_^)[20:23:31] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:23:49] <Disreali2> MadEchidna, http://www.freelists.org/list/haiku[20:23:54] <largo> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/The-Holy-Bible,12[20:24:09] <largo> (I'd just pasted it in PM, but if you're pasting it here anyway...)[20:24:51] * MadEchidna glances[20:24:58] <MadEchidna> yeah, religion discussion?[20:25:03] <MadEchidna> wow that's productive :([20:25:10] <Disreali2> i was not going to paste the actual post. make his work for it[20:25:26] <Disreali2> arguing on the internet....[20:25:36] <sarav1919> thanks MadEchidna :)[20:25:51] <sarav1919> for the QEMU-gui link[20:26:08] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:26:09] <sarav1919> how do i install .zip packages.[20:26:10] <MadEchidna> sorry largo but no matter how right you were (I'm not going to read that whole thing) it seemed pretty uncalled for[20:26:11] <sarav1919> ?[20:26:15] <kirilla> I suppose being atheist is more of a conflict in the US than in many parts of Europe, which could be a factor in largo's confrontation.[20:26:40] <MadEchidna> well I mean if people want to make apps for Haiku to read their fairy tales, let them :P[20:26:44] <MadEchidna> no skin off my nose[20:26:56] <vooshy> sarav1919: extract them and run the app, tend to extract apps to /boot/apps/[20:27:03] <largo> yes, I'm an American. it's kind of a bigger deal here.[20:27:23] <jmayfield_> being an atheist?[20:27:23] <Disreali2> but it should not be[20:27:33] <largo> jmayfield_: religion in general.[20:27:41] <jmayfield_> itys only a big deal if you give a shit about what other peple think[20:27:43] <MadEchidna> it's pretty simple[20:27:44] <sarav1919> ok,[20:27:55] <largo> well, I cover the reasons why in the email. ;)[20:27:59] <MadEchidna> most Americans on the Right have low IQs and strong, irrational beliefs[20:28:06] <sarav1919> once i extract under /boot/apps/ will i be abe to access the qemu from terminal[20:28:08] <kirilla> religion has largely lost in Europe since the 1700s, and people are either privately religious or atheist/agnostic[20:28:13] <jmayfield_> in small towns, being an openly atheist atheist will get you beat up regularly[20:28:14] <MadEchidna> while most people on the left have higher IQs and use critical thinking[20:28:25] <sarav1919> i.ei is /boot/apps/ dir present in PATH ?[20:28:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[20:28:37] <DraX> err no[20:28:43] <MadEchidna> the thing I think that is intersting though, is the evangelical athiest[20:28:50] <MadEchidna> using largo as an example here[20:28:58] <vooshy> nope, you want it in /boot/system/bin to run from anywhere[20:29:02] <Disreali2> MadEchidna, that is a gross generalization.... but I can't fault you for it[20:29:16] <MadEchidna> I wonder why some people feel the need to be as agressive with their lack of belief as those with faith can be[20:29:22] <MadEchidna> Disreali2 it is a generalization[20:29:29] <MadEchidna> but so is "the earth is habitable"[20:29:36] <MadEchidna> :|[20:29:40] <largo> MadEchidna: I have a lot of gay friends for instance. So when the religious folks fight very hard to deny my friends their rights, get their children taken away from them, and generally treat them like bad people, less than human, etc... and pass LAWS to that effect... that's just one of countless reasons to fight it.[20:29:50] <MadEchidna> sure largo[20:29:54] <jmayfield_> MadEchidna, yeah.. thts usually sign of, not an atheist, but a religious person whos freaked out by their doubts[20:29:59] <MadEchidna> but what's so terrible about writing a bible reader for Haiku?[20:30:09] <MadEchidna> it's not like they were stoning infidels in the mail thread[20:30:32] <jmayfield_> what? this is all about a bible reader app? heheh[20:30:34] <jmayfield_> wow[20:30:34] <Disreali2> there already was a bible reader for Beos[20:30:45] <largo> I think people should be ashamed to talk about believing in fairytales publicly, and as they're in part responsible for the suffering of people I care about due to their promotion of idiocy, I tend to make a point to ridicule them for it because they deserve it.[20:30:45] <MadEchidna> jmayfield_ unless I'm missing something, yes[20:30:59] <largo> Disreali2: yes... it was covered several times in the thread. :P[20:31:02] <jmayfield_> the people i'd expect to care the LEAST would be atheists..[20:31:04] <Disreali2> oh[20:31:05] <MadEchidna> a couple of people posted short notes about the intent to make bible and koran readers for haiku[20:31:08] <kirilla> MadEchidna: I think that in the post-religion world, people tend to scape-goat all that was wrong on the things we have now shed.. like religion.. the common idea that religion creates conflict/war.. instead of seeing that it is a flaw in all humans, regardless of beliefs[20:31:16] <MadEchidna> and largo let from no where like Batman and wrote a huge rant[20:31:29] <MadEchidna> kirilla: a good point[20:31:38] <MadEchidna> religion in essense is nothing but a form of govermnet[20:31:38] <jmayfield_> like i said, thats not an atheist, its a scared christian[20:31:50] <MadEchidna> "why should I listen to the king?" "God ordained him" oh[20:32:12] <MadEchidna> that's all it's ever come down to[20:32:16] *** dchis has joined #haiku[20:32:25] <MadEchidna> smart leaders using fear and supersticion to control people[20:32:34] <largo> a belief system that inherently promotes irrationality and bigotry is not a good thing.[20:32:47] <jmayfield_> largo, i agree...[20:32:51] <MadEchidna> and the most horrible irony of all is that is exactly what Jesus (allegedly) stood for[20:33:02] <jmayfield_> but donig the same inreverse is just as lame[20:33:04] <largo> because in part it makes people more susceptible to being suckered by authority figures... less capable of critically assessing the actions of government, information in general etc.[20:33:20] <MadEchidna> so many of the teachings attributed to Jesus were good principles, but they are completely distorted by most "christians"[20:33:32] <kirilla> jmayfield: atheists care less about.. ?[20:33:34] <OmniMancer> largo be careful the I hit you because you hit me defense only gets you hit again[20:33:38] * Disreali2 avoids political/religious conversations on principle[20:33:44] <MadEchidna> but largo, I still don't think any of this justified you unloading on someone for making a casual comment about a koran app :([20:33:54] <jmayfield_> kirilla, youd think an atheist wouldnt care one way or the other about a bible reader pp[20:33:54] * Disreali2 is idle: BRB[20:33:55] <jmayfield_> app[20:34:03] <jmayfield_> ..seeing as they, um, dont believe in it[20:34:13] <largo> OmniMancer: we're not advocating kicking Christians out of the country, removing their rights, or even killing them etc... as Christians routinely do about atheists.[20:34:18] <kirilla> jmayfield: ah :) well, I couldn't care less, as long as its' on the 3rd party mailinglist[20:34:44] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[20:34:46] <MadEchidna> so basically what I'm hearing is that in largo's mind, christians and muslims are so vile that they deserve to be openly harrasses simply for existing[20:34:51] <largo> there's a difference between telling someone they're being an idiot... and being able to prove it.... and between them wanting to beat you up, or kill you, and saying you're going to burn in a lake of fire forever and are worse than a rapist, murderer and child molester etc.[20:34:52] <MadEchidna> that seems a little hypocritical[20:34:55] <jmayfield_> largo, i think you shold worry about somethign more worthwhile[20:34:59] <OmniMancer> most "christians" aren't really christian[20:35:10] <MadEchidna> OmniMancer: exactly[20:35:29] <MadEchidna> did you hear this recent stuff about Glenn Beck calling on people to boycott churches that teach social compassion?[20:35:36] <MadEchidna> because Jesus never spoke well of the poor, am i rite[20:35:38] <jmayfield_> 'social justice'[20:35:55] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:35:57] <largo> MadEchidna: calling someone an idiot when they strongly promote the idea that you're a horrible person who deserves to burn in hell... yeah, cry me a river for actually responding to their hate preaching idiocy.[20:35:58] <largo> ;)[20:36:14] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[20:36:48] <MadEchidna> but largo, saying "I'd like to write a bible app for Haiku" is not equal to saying "I hope everyone who writes Haiku software is "saved!""[20:37:00] <jmayfield_> largo, youre just going to have to face it.. religion is mind-bogglingly stupid.. heh you shouldnt get so bent by it[20:37:09] <largo> Jesus had a number of good lessons... however he also said specifically that he came not to spread peace, but with a sword, but to sow division... to rend father from son, mother from daughter... that a man's enemies will be the members of in own household if they refuse to worship and follow him etc.[20:37:23] <largo> he was just like any other cult leader.[20:37:58] <jmayfield_> ...and i'd suggest not arguing against christianity in the language of religion.. if youre using its rules, youve already lost the debate[20:38:11] <largo> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2010:34-39&version=NIV[20:38:22] <kirilla> One thing I find interesting is the evangelical Christians' obsession with changing people/society with laws, when their religion hinges not on how you live (your actions), but whether you believe / accept the gospel. Why not embrace the contrast of being the shining beacon in a sea of filth? :)))[20:38:50] <largo> so pardon me if I don't get all happy about big Jesus fans... because people like my relatives and family took that seriously and basically cut me off... because Jesus is more important to them than their own family.[20:39:04] <MadEchidna> I just told one of my friends in a different channel about this discussion[20:39:06] <MadEchidna> <franz> hahaah <franz> dumb[20:39:18] <mmadia> ..... look. this is #haiku. not #religion.[20:39:30] <largo> I'm done talking about it.[20:39:31] <jmayfield_> mmadia, theres a diff?[20:39:33] <jmayfield_> hehe[20:39:39] <largo> I wasn't the one that brought it up again for the record. :P[20:39:46] <kirilla> indeed it was me[20:39:48] <MadEchidna> I think the bottom line largo is, if you're as intelligent and enlightened as you say you are, then be respectful of everyone, regardless of their ignorance[20:39:52] <MadEchidna> tolerance~[20:39:57] <MadEchidna> anyway mmadia is right[20:40:11] <largo> MadEchidna: I don't respect people who don't respect me, nor really deserve respect themselves. sorry.[20:40:15] <Disreali2> please don't continue this line on conversation[20:40:19] <MadEchidna> k[20:42:35] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:43:24] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[20:43:30] *** kitallis has quit IRC[20:45:19] <largo> Disreali2: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html[20:46:10] <kirilla> I suppose religion is always off-topic, which is kind of interesting[20:46:18] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[20:46:29] *** labatec is now known as martinhpedersen[20:46:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:46:39] <MadEchidna> I thought we weren't talking about this anymore:|[20:46:47] <kirilla> sorry[20:46:48] <Disreali2> largo, I saw it a week or so aga[20:47:02] <largo> Disreali2: then next time someone mentions it, don't act like it's not true.[20:47:30] <MadEchidna> I modestly think I had the right attitude # <MadEchidna> well I mean if people want to make apps for Haiku to read their fairy tales, let them :P[20:47:53] <MadEchidna> woops[20:47:56] <MadEchidna> fuck sorry wrong channel[20:48:19] <Auronandace> you could always port wine and let them use windows apps[20:49:03] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[20:50:11] <leszek> wine is pretty much binded to xorg so I guess a port would be hard[20:51:03] <Auronandace> still, would be awesome to see wine working[20:51:07] <MadEchidna> I also heard that BeOS and Haiku use memory space that the windows kernel uses[20:51:08] <MadEchidna> or something[20:51:26] <MadEchidna> I don't remember the exact terms but I was led to believe that wine on Haiku would be all but impossible[20:54:28] <MadEchidna> I have _killed_ #haiku[20:54:31] <MadEchidna> ;_;[20:54:56] <Auronandace> i think i'm still alive[20:54:59] <kirilla> wasn't Haiku's kernel/userland memory division changed to accomodate wine?[20:55:57] <Auronandace> i think there's a bewine on haikuware, no idea how old though[20:56:27] <kirilla> me thinks Auronandace is just faking his aliveness[20:56:54] <Auronandace> pretty neat trick if you ask me[20:57:08] *** lassiethebrave has joined #haiku[20:57:51] <MadEchidna> bewine is only able to run very simple apps[20:57:58] <MadEchidna> mostly Japanese love games[20:58:28] <Auronandace> that's disturbing[20:58:30] <kirilla> it has a preference for japanese love games? :))[20:59:13] <largo> haha[20:59:34] <kirilla> I wonder what such are like.[20:59:35] <largo> oh, I mean to ask...[20:59:53] *** ffea has quit IRC[20:59:59] <largo> first... what might the bazillion lines of the following in my syslog mean:[20:59:59] <largo> KERN: [net/atheroswifi/0] [00:14:d1:c4:68:df] discard WME information element, KERN: [atheroswifi] too short, len 7KERN:[21:00:25] <largo> second...[21:00:26] <largo> KERN: /dev/net/atheroswifi/0: media change, media 0x8300b1 quality 1000 speed 10000[21:00:51] *** sarav1919 has left #haiku[21:00:53] <largo> I get a lot of "media change" events like that, and each one effectively resets my connection and drops whatever I was trying to do.[21:01:28] <largo> I was thinking of trying to track down the latter one in the FreeBSD drivers and support groups to see if they have an idea what it's doing.[21:01:29] <kirilla> I'm guessing the WME relates to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Multimedia_Extensions[21:01:53] <largo> as I can avoid the complete system locks by running with SMP disabled... but that connection drop issue makes it still unusable. :([21:01:59] *** taibo has joined #haiku[21:02:04] <largo> kirilla: thanks.[21:02:10] <kirilla> np largo[21:02:19] <kirilla> I have no idea if it's at all useful info[21:02:25] <kirilla> or even relevant[21:02:30] <largo> better than nothing. :)[21:02:36] <largo> (in my ignorant opinion) ;)[21:04:23] <largo> I need to update a trac thing... and maybe submit another.[21:04:40] <largo> (related to the Trash stuff we were talking about yesterday, and the Expander thing...)[21:05:13] <kirilla> Trash-talk eh? ;)[21:05:40] <largo> heh... yeah.[21:06:02] <kirilla> reboot imminent, bbl[21:06:08] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:06:17] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:08:28] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:12:44] <MadEchidna> hm, my gears are turning in my head[21:12:51] <MadEchidna> anyone here know about audio in Haiku?[21:14:18] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[21:14:57] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[21:15:21] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[21:16:11] *** lassiethebrave has quit IRC[21:16:11] *** margiolas has quit IRC[21:16:37] <Disreali2> MadEchidna, mmu_man seem to be the haiku audio expert. at least he ported OSS to haiku[21:16:53] <MadEchidna> I'm just wondering where to pipe to if I want to play audio[21:17:25] <Disreali2> vm or hw?[21:17:29] <MadEchidna> hw[21:18:08] <MadEchidna> I just had an "oh" moment[21:18:15] <MadEchidna> is OSS included in the nightlies?[21:18:18] *** margiolas has joined #haiku[21:18:37] <Disreali2> not sure, but could you just pipe to the device?[21:19:01] <MadEchidna> ~/Desktop/sbagen-1.4.4> sbagen -O examples/focus/wave-01.sbg < /dev/audio/hmulti/hda/0 bash: /dev/audio/hmulti/hda/0: Device/File/Resource busy[21:19:04] <MadEchidna> this is what I tried[21:19:20] <Disreali2> no, you need to install OSS wih 'installoptionalpackage -a OSS' in terminal[21:19:30] <HeTo> Haiku does not support OSS APIs[21:20:07] <Disreali2> actually run installoptionalpackage -l first[21:20:12] <HeTo> the OSS package does not add support for OSS applications, it just adds the possibility to use OSS drivers for native Haiku audio output[21:20:34] <HeTo> which you don't need if the native drivers support your sound card[21:20:35] <MadEchidna> oh[21:20:39] <MadEchidna> well that's useless to me then[21:21:02] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[21:21:42] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[21:22:10] <Disreali2> MadEchidna, OT, but is your nick related to the Sonic games?[21:22:38] <MadEchidna> yeah[21:23:43] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[21:23:59] <Disreali2> thought so. I seem to remenber the nick used over on sonicretro also. was not sure if you may be the same person[21:24:16] <MadEchidna> yep that's me[21:24:20] <MadEchidna> small internet :P[21:24:22] <Disreali2> cool[21:25:39] <Disreali2> iirc, you said that someone was porting gens/gs to haiku. was a haiku binary released, or is all in the git repo?[21:25:53] <MadEchidna> Disreali2, I don't know much about it[21:25:59] <Disreali2> ok[21:26:02] <MadEchidna> the port is not finished, I can tell you that[21:26:12] <MadEchidna> I guess it compiles but there is no backend for graphics or sound[21:26:22] <Disreali2> ah. to bad[21:27:12] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[21:27:18] *** dflemstr_ has joined #haiku[21:27:23] <MadEchidna> reactos tester eh :3[21:27:39] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[21:28:23] <Auronandace> it's amazing how stable haiku is compared to reactos[21:28:53] <MadEchidna> heh i was thinking it but didn't say it[21:29:12] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:29:37] <Auronandace> both projects are in alpha stage[21:29:54] <MadEchidna> yeah but Haiku is basically a drop in replacement for BeOS already[21:30:04] <MadEchidna> BeOS itself wasn't technically "done" from what I read[21:30:09] <Auronandace> but haiku certainly doesn't feel alpha-like[21:30:13] <MadEchidna> yeah[21:30:35] <MadEchidna> ROS doesn't even have USB or SATA yet last I checked[21:30:50] <MadEchidna> but I'm able to install Haiku from a Microsd card to my SATA hard drive on my netbook :D[21:31:01] <HeTo> and ReactOS basically is a drop-in replacement for Windows[21:31:01] <MadEchidna> all my hardware is supported, except for my evil broadcom wireless[21:31:20] <MadEchidna> HeTo: in theory but not in practice[21:31:26] <MadEchidna> the GUI is slow and flickery[21:31:34] <HeTo> of course, it might help that BeOS isn't a moving target like Windows is[21:31:35] <MadEchidna> there's barely any sound support[21:31:38] <MadEchidna> yeah[21:31:52] <MadEchidna> IMO they should have just focused on Win2k[21:31:55] <Auronandace> it'd be great when they hit 0.5, that would be beta then, but they gotta go through 0.4 first[21:31:58] <MadEchidna> it's the best version of windows anyway[21:32:24] <HeTo> MadEchidna: ah, I thought you meant that being a drop-in replacement meant that Haiku would be easier to write than ReactOS[21:32:30] <MadEchidna> I really just find the typical Linux distro to be too bloated these days[21:32:36] <MadEchidna> with the cluster fuck that is X11[21:32:49] <MadEchidna> I dream of a day that I can duel boot Haiku and ROS and have everything I need[21:32:50] <Disreali2> indeed[21:33:18] <MadEchidna> I really hope that when R1 is done, we can get some Corporate backing[21:33:25] <MadEchidna> such as Canonical or Google[21:33:33] <MadEchidna> so that we can get commercial software like flash and such[21:33:37] <MadEchidna> Opera :P[21:34:30] <Auronandace> doesn't it annoy anyone else that opera is a great browser, but not open source[21:34:37] *** NightlyUser has joined #haiku[21:35:06] <Disreali2> they need money in orddr to continue development[21:36:48] <MadEchidna> hey anyone know of a keyboard shortcut to take a screenshot of an individual window?[21:38:16] *** dchis has quit IRC[21:38:48] <jan__64> I don't think that is implemented[21:42:37] <MadEchidna> oh[21:42:50] <MadEchidna> well that's okay I can just drag and drop the chunk of the image to the desktop :P[21:43:03] <MadEchidna> hey anyone have access to an R5 system that can test something?[21:44:50] *** dflemstr_ has quit IRC[21:47:01] <MadEchidna> fun fact: The Experience Music Project in Seattle has several BeOS based computers in their interactive exibits[21:48:08] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[21:51:41] <Disreali2> MadEchidna, you used to be able to do that, but the screenshot app seems to have changed since the alpha1 release[21:53:21] <Disreali2> MadEchidna, beboxes or just pc's with BeOS?[21:55:54] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[21:57:31] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:58:54] *** kazaa_lite has joined #haiku[22:00:10] * MadEchidna coughs[22:00:11] <MadEchidna> http://sites.google.com/site/sbagenhaiku/[22:01:08] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:05:30] <OmniMancer> someone should make something that takes a pair of bezier paths and some scale params and generates tones for them, doing something similar to sbagen[22:05:35] <Disreali_> MadEchidna, cool[22:06:57] <Disreali_> my vm just kdl'd and it seems 'reboot' is no longer a valid command. How do I reboot the vm from kdl?[22:09:34] <OmniMancer> try shurtdown?[22:10:06] *** Disreali2 has quit IRC[22:11:03] <Disreali_> OmniMancer, undefined command[22:11:42] <mmadia> Disreali_ : are you sure you're in "kdebug >" or a "gdb" promp?[22:11:58] <Disreali_> um[22:12:20] <Disreali_> sorry, I'm at the gbd promt[22:12:37] <Disreali_> how do I get out?[22:12:38] <mmadia> that's most likely an app_server crash.[22:13:05] <mmadia> shift+SysReq should pull open KDL from a gdb prompt.[22:13:07] <Disreali_> that is what is looked like as debug stuff scrolled by[22:13:14] <Disreali_> ok[22:13:38] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:13:53] <Disreali_> that worked. thanks[22:15:22] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[22:18:23] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[22:18:42] <Disreali_> grr.. now the vm just keeps rebooting after the icons come up[22:19:35] * Disreali_ is away: AFK[22:22:03] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[22:22:13] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[22:26:32] <MadEchidna> heh heh[22:26:37] <MadEchidna> I just took sbagen for a spin[22:26:40] <MadEchidna> I'm a bit stoned now[22:26:51] *** Andrius has quit IRC[22:27:06] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:29:09] <tqh> MadEchidna, You arn't supposed to pipe music to the hardware driver. It needs to be passed thru the media kit that knows about formats and stuff. Pipe it thru some command line program, maybe playsound.[22:29:56] <MadEchidna> ah[22:29:59] <MadEchidna> now that's helpful[22:30:01] <MadEchidna> thank you[22:30:17] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[22:30:49] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:32:13] <MadEchidna> am I piping properly >_>[22:32:21] <MadEchidna> you just do > right[22:32:46] <PulkoMandy> if it's to a program you shiould use |[22:32:52] <MadEchidna> oh[22:32:55] <MadEchidna> I was doing >[22:33:02] <PulkoMandy> > redirects to a file[22:33:40] <jmayfield_> which is why | looks like a pipe[22:33:51] <jmayfield_> heh[22:33:57] <MadEchidna> no dice[22:36:35] <MadEchidna> so there's no way to play directly to a dev device in haiku?[22:41:31] *** prOSy has quit IRC[22:44:08] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:44:24] <tqh> I think there should be some command that accepts piping, but not sure.[22:44:25] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[22:45:56] <OmniMancer> anything that accepts the audio on stdin will work with a pipe shouldn't it?[22:46:22] <cb88> I was having troubles building the cross-tools on linux.... not 100% sure what happened ran libtoolize -f -c aclocal autoconf and automake in the mpfr directory of the buildtools and it seemed to fix it....its building right now must have been some corruption[22:46:56] <OmniMancer> mpfr being the GMP based mpfloat lib?[22:47:46] <cb88> thst sounds right[22:47:56] <cb88> it builds right after gmp[22:48:47] <OmniMancer> k[22:48:52] <OmniMancer> so GMP builds fine?[22:49:08] <OmniMancer> anyway that was just interest[22:49:09] <OmniMancer> :P[22:49:13] <cb88> its fine now...[22:49:28] <OmniMancer> you are building the cross compiler?[22:49:33] <cb88> Just wierd...[22:49:43] <cb88> back later[22:52:39] <OmniMancer> k[22:54:18] *** cb88 has quit IRC[22:55:20] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[22:55:37] <MadEchidna> ok it's finished http://sites.google.com/site/sbagenhaiku/[22:55:41] <MadEchidna> all the files are uploaded now[22:55:55] <MadEchidna> the binary download has the modified build script too[22:56:32] <kirilla> nice[22:57:43] <kirilla> oo, I got mentioned :)[22:57:49] <kirilla> cool[22:57:58] <OmniMancer> :P[22:58:00] *** rennj has joined #haiku[22:58:32] <MadEchidna> heheh[22:58:34] <MadEchidna> hi kirilla[22:58:38] <kirilla> hi[22:58:41] <MadEchidna> you up to try the iDoser doses? :P[22:58:47] <Kokito> kirilla get's his 15 minutes of famr :P[22:58:50] <Kokito> fame[22:58:51] <MadEchidna> heh[22:58:52] <kirilla> lol[22:59:09] <eml> import random[22:59:09] <eml> import sys[22:59:09] <eml> def drawBoard(board): # Draw the board data structure.[22:59:10] <kirilla> better fame than famine![22:59:11] <MadEchidna> kirilla: i basically just zipped up my sbagen folder with the changes we worked on[22:59:14] <eml> Oops[22:59:31] <MadEchidna> I really am curious if it would build on R5 now[22:59:37] <MadEchidna> but I don't have a be box to test on[22:59:42] * kirilla exports eml ;)[22:59:53] <eml> :][23:00:12] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:00:17] <MadEchidna> kirilla: the main thing I'm working on now is figuring out how to get sound output[23:00:35] <MadEchidna> i tried using > to send the output directly to the sound device but it didn't work[23:00:37] <jmayfield_> hmm.. 3.5 hours by freeway, or 5 hours via twisty, lightly traveled backroads...[23:00:44] <MadEchidna> piping to playsound didn't work either[23:00:44] <kirilla> MadEchidna: it should build on R5[23:01:13] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[23:01:15] <MadEchidna> of course is "should"[23:01:20] <MadEchidna> but I'd rather see it for myself :[23:01:59] <MadEchidna> I'm really glad Haiku is so mature already, since BeOS is so useless on modern hardware at this point[23:02:17] <kirilla> MadEchidna: I think you might want to look at Be sample code using BBufferProducer[23:02:26] <MadEchidna> hm[23:02:27] <MadEchidna> I will then[23:02:28] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheMediaKit_Overview_Introduction.html[23:02:59] *** Advant has quit IRC[23:04:08] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:04:16] <kirilla> I've never used the media kit myself. Might take some getting used to.[23:04:33] * MadEchidna 's eyes gloss over[23:04:48] <MadEchidna> yeah I have a lot to learn :P[23:05:14] <MadEchidna> I think what would help is if I could see the source for playsound[23:05:25] <MadEchidna> someone wanna spoon feed that to me? :P[23:05:28] <kirilla> I guess you have to set up the bufferproducer properly and then you just call SendBuffer() over and over.. or some such :)))[23:05:39] <kirilla> hang on[23:05:53] <MadEchidna> my kingdom for /dev/dsp ;_;[23:05:56] <leszek> n8[23:05:58] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:06:00] <kirilla> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/bin/playsound/playsound.cpp[23:06:05] <MadEchidna> thanks[23:06:34] <MadEchidna> oh, that calls Bgamesound[23:06:35] <MadEchidna> hm[23:07:19] <MadEchidna> honestly though kirilla, dumping a wav file first is better than playing real time anyway[23:07:22] <MadEchidna> at least in my experience[23:07:31] *** Koki_ has joined #haiku[23:07:35] <MadEchidna> but the real time audio capabilities of Haiku might make this a different story[23:07:44] <kirilla> depends on how large the wav file gets[23:07:44] *** Koki_ has quit IRC[23:07:48] <MadEchidna> on Linux and Windows, sbagen tends to skip, which is very distracting[23:07:51] <MadEchidna> why is that[23:07:54] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:07:57] <MadEchidna> the wav size I mean[23:08:22] <kirilla> if you have an overnight program (with variations.. not the same all the time) you get 8 hours of wav file :P[23:08:42] <MadEchidna> well, that wouldn't be an issue[23:08:50] <MadEchidna> SBG files usually have a duration defined in the script[23:08:56] <MadEchidna> and if they don't it defaults to an hour[23:08:57] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[23:09:07] <MadEchidna> it's designed to write wav after all[23:09:14] *** JoeyAdams has joined #haiku[23:09:21] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:09:22] <MadEchidna> but the point I'm driving at is, when you export a wav it's more like rendering than real time[23:09:27] <kirilla> isn't that that still about a CD (650MB?)[23:09:36] <kirilla> true[23:09:42] <MadEchidna> and it produces a nice clean output with no skipping[23:09:58] <MadEchidna> well the other thing is, sbagen tells you right away if the file is missing a duration[23:10:12] <MadEchidna> most of the iDoser files are 15 minutes, half an hour, or an hour[23:10:19] <Anarchos> kirilla i finally saved my haiku partition :)[23:10:27] <MadEchidna> it only takes about a minute to render a half hour sbg on my Eee PC[23:10:34] <MadEchidna> so I consider the wav files temporary[23:10:39] <MadEchidna> I'd rather just render them when needed[23:10:50] <MadEchidna> Anarchos what did you save it from :V[23:11:05] <kirilla> Anarchos: sounds good. I'm sorry to say I've forgotten what the issue was. ':)[23:11:07] <MadEchidna> man I don't want to be a broken record but Haiku, you so stable <3[23:11:21] <Anarchos> MadEchidna i screwed my kernel_x86 :)[23:11:30] <MadEchidna> I remember talking to looncraz a couple years ago about haiku[23:11:38] <MadEchidna> and he told me how volitle BFS was[23:11:46] <MadEchidna> such delicious progress[23:12:03] <MadEchidna> I remember when I was in high school I used to move the BeOS kernel to the desktop for laughs[23:12:06] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[23:12:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[23:12:07] <MadEchidna> my friends would be like WUUUT[23:12:17] <kirilla> heh[23:12:35] <kirilla> and then you would move it to Trash an empty it? :))[23:12:48] <MadEchidna> you want to hear the wierdest n00b experience I had with an OS kirilla?[23:12:52] <kirilla> yup![23:13:05] <ragcsi> oh wow, a great story is coming up![23:13:05] <MadEchidna> well I grew up on Geoworks Ensemble[23:13:12] <kirilla> c64?[23:13:13] <MadEchidna> but I used Windows most of my schooling years[23:13:15] *** genkie has joined #haiku[23:13:20] <MadEchidna> no, x86[23:13:23] <kirilla> oh[23:13:40] <MadEchidna> so my first non-windows os not counting GEOS was Redhat 7 in high school[23:13:51] <MadEchidna> I was in a PC hardware class and I was allowed to do pretty much whatever i wanted[23:14:01] <MadEchidna> and I had an AMD-K62 system to play with[23:14:18] <MadEchidna> the only hard disks I had laying around were 4 GB quantum fireballs[23:14:32] <MadEchidna> so in order to get Red Hat to install, I had to have a / drive and a swap drive[23:14:47] <MadEchidna> there was only room for one disk in the case, so the swap drive dangled on the side from the IDE cable[23:14:53] <geist> kind of wish i hadn't thrown out my old K5 box[23:14:57] <geist> that was a real trooper[23:15:00] <geist> speaking of old cpus[23:15:05] <MadEchidna> on that system, it took me a good week to figure out how to get my sound blaster to work[23:15:09] <MadEchidna> you'll never guess how I fixed it[23:15:19] <MadEchidna> I don't know how in the hell it even occurred to me to even try this[23:15:35] <MadEchidna> I opened the file manager, and dragged and dropped the device file from dev to my desktop[23:15:38] <MadEchidna> and then put it back[23:15:44] <MadEchidna> from that moment forward, sound worked XD[23:15:50] <ragcsi> wtf[23:15:56] <MadEchidna> I'm guessing it was a permission issue[23:16:02] <MadEchidna> but back then I had no idea what permissions were[23:16:06] <MadEchidna> just wierd intuition :P[23:16:15] <kirilla> hehe[23:16:38] <ragcsi> you shouldnt have told that story, from now on, whenever i have a problem with a device i will just drag&drop it![23:17:01] <kirilla> and don't forget to dangle your drives![23:17:17] <MadEchidna> ragcsi hahaha[23:17:18] <kirilla> better air flow?[23:17:39] <MadEchidna> no, the second drive just didn't fit in the case :P[23:17:40] *** JoeyAdams has quit IRC[23:17:40] *** sprma has joined #haiku[23:17:52] <MadEchidna> but in retrospect, having a dedicated swap drive was probably a great idea[23:17:57] <MadEchidna> less IO overhead[23:17:58] *** Joseph has joined #haiku[23:18:25] *** Joseph is now known as Guest98812[23:18:27] *** sprma has quit IRC[23:18:34] <MadEchidna> I think that it's a shame that IDE is obsolete now[23:18:37] *** Guest98812 has left #haiku[23:18:41] <MadEchidna> that was one standard that had some damn staying power![23:19:17] <kirilla> horrible cables though[23:19:51] <MadEchidna> bah[23:19:56] <MadEchidna> IDE cables are real men's cables[23:20:08] <kirilla> not that the average PC chassis is any more neat these days[23:20:20] <MadEchidna> I remember thrusting my hands into tight ATX cases like most young men might... yeah I'll stop this line of thought[23:20:27] <PulkoMandy> scsi is way more fun anyway :)[23:20:41] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[23:20:57] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:21:01] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:21:10] *** joeyadams is now known as JoeyA[23:21:22] <kirilla> small, roomy cases, futile dreams[23:21:57] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[23:22:12] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:22:27] *** JoeyA has quit IRC[23:24:53] <MadEchidna> so, anyone who's paying attention atm know about Haiku audio?[23:26:32] *** Snappo has joined #haiku[23:26:33] *** MadEchidna has quit IRC[23:26:48] <Snappo> kernel panic <_<[23:26:50] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:26:53] <Snappo> I like how fast Haiku boots[23:27:04] <Snappo> if windows crashes I go out to dinner :V[23:27:13] *** Snappo is now known as MadEchidna_[23:27:24] <Anarchos> Snappo haiku is slower and slower at me[23:27:29] <MadEchidna_> not me[23:27:36] <MadEchidna_> you on a VM or real hard ware?[23:27:39] <MadEchidna_> *hardware[23:27:43] <jmayfield_> last time i had windows crash on me had to hve been in 2000 or so[23:27:59] <Anarchos> MadEchidna_ real hardware[23:28:02] <MadEchidna_> hm[23:28:07] <MadEchidna_> jmayfield_ yeah, me too I guess[23:28:13] <MadEchidna_> though I had Windows 7 Beta crash a bit[23:28:16] <jmayfield_> but them, i hvent really used t since then..[23:28:21] <jmayfield_> then[23:28:27] <MadEchidna_> I used to get infinate loops in Windows XP when I tried to burn CDs[23:28:42] <kirilla> MadEchidna_: Be sample code (media kit / ToneProducer) search Haikuware[23:29:14] <MadEchidna_> ![23:29:17] <MadEchidna_> hot tip pal[23:29:27] <kirilla> sounds promising[23:29:49] <MadEchidna_> this is what community software is about ^_^[23:29:54] <MadEchidna_> I love this channel[23:30:07] * MadEchidna_ opens up WebPositive[23:30:40] <aldeck> iirc toneproducer source can be found in src/apps/cortex[23:31:02] <MadEchidna_> kirilla: Look at the left hand side of haikuware home page[23:31:06] *** Kokito has quit IRC[23:31:22] <MadEchidna_> the sample code and Programming the Be Operating System are in the top downloads for the past 30 days[23:31:25] <MadEchidna_> this is a good sign :D[23:31:27] <kirilla> maybe here: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/tone_producer_demo/[23:31:49] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[23:32:20] <MadEchidna_> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/tone_producer_demo/ToneProducer.cpp[23:32:24] <MadEchidna_> yeah I think this is it[23:32:34] <OmniMancer> I am sad that the shelf inspector doesn't work in haiku :([23:32:39] <MadEchidna_> what is it?[23:32:59] <OmniMancer> its a program to aid development of replicants[23:33:11] <OmniMancer> it lets you inspect a shelf that accepts them[23:33:11] <aldeck> OmniMancer: theres shelftest[23:33:14] <MadEchidna_> oh replicants[23:33:21] <MadEchidna_> hey Haiku community[23:33:33] <MadEchidna_> promise me I never see something like the KDE4 desktop on Haiku :|[23:33:39] <MadEchidna_> those plasmid things are no[23:34:04] <OmniMancer> there were also the XShelfInspector and XContainer referenced in an article on the haiku site but the download got lost at some point[23:34:15] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[23:34:23] <kirilla> MadEchidna_: the sample code archive has an article accompanying the source, which might be helpful[23:34:28] <aldeck> OmniMancer: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/interface/bshelf but it's pretty basic[23:36:10] <aldeck> MadEchidna_: i believe BSoundPlayer is the easiest way to get sound out, look at the example here http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BSoundPlayer_Overview.html[23:36:19] <aldeck> using media nodes is a lot more complex[23:36:33] <aldeck> *using/ developing a custom[23:37:14] <kirilla> MadEchidna_: if you should find the media kit too difficult don't let that stop you from trying other parts of the API.. the application kit or the interface kit.. those are much simpler to figure out[23:37:20] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[23:37:32] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[23:37:40] <MadEchidna_> kirilla: don't worry, I've been in love with BeOS for nearly 10 years, I won't give up :P[23:37:54] <kirilla> :)[23:38:05] <MadEchidna_> sad fact: the first time I ever used BeOS was when Be shut down >_>[23:38:28] <MadEchidna_> I installed r5 personal edition on a computer at school (without permission)[23:38:34] <MadEchidna_> that computer had Windows 98[23:38:36] <HeTo> MadEchidna_: that was still years before I tried BeOS[23:38:54] <MadEchidna_> it blew my mind how a computer that normally took a good 2 minutes to be ready to use could boot in seconds[23:39:46] <MadEchidna_> aldeck: the program I'm trying to port uses /dev/dsp on Linux, and is able to output raw audio or wav to a file[23:40:05] *** burmas has left #haiku[23:40:07] <kirilla> win9x.. plug&play.. ^_^[23:40:44] <MadEchidna_> so while adding proper support for the Media Kit would be ideal, if I could least find an equivilent to dsp on Haiku, I could make a shell script that pipes raw audio to that[23:40:49] <aldeck> MadEchidna_: that BSoundPlayer example show how to output raw audio (32 bit float)[23:40:53] <MadEchidna_> ohj[23:40:55] <MadEchidna_> thanks[23:40:58] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:41:51] <aldeck> not sure how you'd wire up your thing though :)[23:43:36] <MadEchidna_> I should be able to just drop the sbagen engine in to that tone generator code sample he[23:43:38] <MadEchidna_> *he[23:43:40] <MadEchidna_> *eh[23:43:41] <MadEchidna_> ugh[23:43:44] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[23:44:32] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:45:37] *** spvensko_ has quit IRC[23:46:25] <MadEchidna_> "NOTE: to compile this code under Genki beta releases, do a search- and-replace to change "B_PARAMETER" to "B_USER_EVENT+1""[23:46:40] <MadEchidna_> I wonder if this is so on Haiku as well?[23:46:47] <MadEchidna_> I'm going to just compile this as is and see if it works[23:47:17] <HeTo> I suppose so, because Haiku is compatible with the R5 (Genki) API[23:47:24] <MadEchidna_> OH THAT'S FREAKING COOL[23:47:38] <MadEchidna_> I was just thinking "cd'ing to this director is going to be a pain"[23:47:54] <MadEchidna_> so just to see if I could, I dragged the icon from the Tracker window onto the terminal[23:47:56] <kirilla> more drag and drop? :))[23:48:00] <MadEchidna_> and typed the directory[23:48:01] <MadEchidna_> NIIICE[23:48:18] <MadEchidna_> yes[23:48:22] <MadEchidna_> drag and drop[23:48:22] <kirilla> I think cortex is for you! ;)[23:48:28] <MadEchidna_> what's cortex[23:48:47] <kirilla> the media node connector app[23:49:06] <kirilla> graphical view of media nodes.. producers, consumers, mixer[23:49:11] <MadEchidna_> oh cool[23:51:35] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:51:43] <ragcsi> you should probably see a doctor about this drag and drop addiction you have :p[23:51:52] <MadEchidna_> lol[23:51:58] <MadEchidna_> what's so bad about it[23:52:12] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:52:27] <MadEchidna_> ~/Desktop/sample-code/media_kit/ToneProducer> make [ -d obj.x86 ] || mkdir obj.x86 > /dev/null 2>&1; \ mkdepend -I./ -p .cpp:obj.x86/%n.o -m -f "obj.x86/ToneProducer.d" ToneProducer.cpp g++ -c ToneProducer.cpp -I./ -I- -O3 -Wall -Wno-multichar -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -o "obj.x86/ToneProducer.o" g++ -c NodeHarnessWin.cpp -I./ -I- -O3 -Wall -Wno-multichar -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -o "obj.x86/NodeHarnessWin.o"[23:52:27] <MadEchidna_> /boot/home/Desktop/sample-code/media_kit/ToneProducer/NodeHarnessWin.cpp: In function `void ErrorCheck(long int, const char *)': /boot/home/Desktop/sample-code/media_kit/ToneProducer/NodeHarnessWin.cpp:31: implicit declaration of function `int strerror(...)' /boot/home/Desktop/sample-code/media_kit/ToneProducer/NodeHarnessWin.cpp:31: warning: format argument is not a pointer (arg 3)[23:52:27] <MadEchidna_> /boot/home/Desktop/sample-code/media_kit/ToneProducer/NodeHarnessWin.cpp: In method `NodeHarnessWin::~NodeHarnessWin()': /boot/home/Desktop/sample-code/media_kit/ToneProducer/NodeHarnessWin.cpp:75: warning: format argument is not a pointer (arg 4) make: *** [obj.x86/NodeHarnessWin.o] Error 1[23:52:32] <MadEchidna_> sorry for the flood[23:52:41] <MadEchidna_> let me put that in pastebin real quick[23:52:59] <aldeck> MadEchidna_: why don't you use the one from haiku's tree?[23:53:44] <MadEchidna_> there's a haiku version of that sample code?[23:53:51] <aldeck> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/apps/cortex/addons/ToneProducer[23:54:02] <aldeck> yep like i suggested earlier :)[23:54:11] <aldeck> it's in the image even[23:54:21] <aldeck> just start cortex :)[23:54:28] <kirilla> aldeck: there's a nice article in the sample code's ToneProducer folder though[23:54:45] <aldeck> kirilla: ah true[23:55:04] <aldeck> that's doc should still be valid[23:55:04] <kirilla> and by nice I mean, it appears to be an article, based on its name, and it might be useful, or line noise :)[23:55:20] <kirilla> not having read it myself :P[23:55:47] <aldeck> but like i said too, going the bsoundplayer way will be much simpler[23:56:15] <aldeck> that's just 50 line of code to get sound out[23:56:22] <MadEchidna_> hm[23:56:27] <MadEchidna_> yeah you're right[23:56:30] <MadEchidna_> my heaaad[23:56:34] <aldeck> :)[23:56:38] <kirilla> heh[23:56:38] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[23:57:00] <aldeck> i had my headaches with media nodes myself :)[23:57:08] <kirilla> just turn on some aphex twin and hack away![23:57:15] <aldeck> lol[23:58:24] <MadEchidna_> hey[23:58:26] <MadEchidna_> *heh[23:58:31] <MadEchidna_> aphex twin heck yea[23:59:12] <kirilla> squarepusher might be slightly less neurotic[23:59:13] <aldeck> MadEchidna_: you need real time ouput? didn't you say your program outputs wav too?[23:59:20] <MadEchidna_> yeah, it does[23:59:26] *** os_not_found has joined #haiku[23:59:43] <MadEchidna_> I can easily just save wav files, but I'd like to get real time output working[23:59:45] <MadEchidna_> as a challenge[23:59:47] <os_not_found> what are the advantages of haiku vs gnu/linux[23:59:52] <aldeck> ah ok nice[23:59:56] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[23:59:58] <os_not_found> ?