March 19, 2010 
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Pretty much copy&paste from the Qt version. The[01:32:16] <CIA-50> GTK implementation has the exact same code. Not sure about copyright, I've[01:36:00] <CIA-50> stippi * r328 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/graphics/haiku/PathHaiku.cpp: Removed left-over comment.[01:37:52] <mvfranz> Advant what do you mean level? OpenJDK 7 is what is being worked on[01:38:10] <mvfranz> OpenJDK 6 does not have a haiku repo[01:39:05] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[01:39:31] <mvfranz> Advant- as far as progress, look here http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/andrewbachmann/2009-12-21_openjdk_hotspot_libjvmso_built_haiku[01:41:54] <Advant-> mvfranz: I didn't mean from a port perspective, but openjdk as a project against java[01:42:19] *** tanami has quit IRC[01:42:20] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[01:42:45] <saivert> is it full featured?[01:42:57] <saivert> unless you rely on Sun quirks[01:43:00] <saivert> I guess[01:43:09] <mvfranz> Advant- OpenJDK is pretty close to what Sun ships - the IcedTea project has done a lot to remove the proprietary part[01:43:40] <saivert> except some applets on websites didn't run in the OpenJDK browser plugin. I guess that is the proprietary bit[01:43:41] <mvfranz> Some distros only ship OpenJDK (I think) fedora for one[01:43:57] <mvfranz> the plugin is not complete[01:44:20] <mvfranz> so, yes, some proprietary bits would be needed to be re-implemented[01:44:34] <saivert> and how much code has Sun released?[01:44:37] <mvfranz> not sure how important applets are now[01:45:01] <mvfranz> well, I could be wrong, but I think in the hi 90[01:45:04] <mvfranz> 90[01:45:08] <mvfranz> 90%[01:45:19] <mvfranz> sorry, the shift and enter are giving me problems[01:45:37] <mvfranz> probably really close to 95%[01:45:40] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[01:46:00] <mvfranz> the interesting stuff, like hotspot are all there[01:46:44] <saivert> the VM?[01:46:59] <Advant-> CentOS ships with OpenJDK, but that is pretty much fedora[01:47:00] <mvfranz> it is part of the VM[01:47:11] <Advant-> Dunno why people think java plugins are out[01:47:21] <Advant-> Still lots of commercial applications use them[01:47:34] <saivert> and my bank uses Java for authentication[01:47:38] <mvfranz> there is the interpreted VM, and hotspot turns interpreted code into native[01:47:50] <mvfranz> when it finds 'hotspots' parts of the code that get a lot of use[01:48:30] <mvfranz> what does authentication have to do with applets?[01:48:47] <saivert> found Anyboot images up on http://haiku-files.org/anyboot/[01:48:58] <saivert> so they can be used like .iso images as well? funny[01:49:18] *** tanami has joined #haiku[01:49:21] <mmadia_haiku> saivert : yes, burned as an ISO or dd'd directly to a drive (not partition)[01:49:44] <mmadia_haiku> luroh and mmlr even worked out a method to extract the raw image out of an anyboot.[01:49:59] <saivert> so it is just a hybrid bootblock?[01:50:19] <mmadia_haiku> i think.[01:50:29] <mmadia_haiku> i still need to learn more about it.[01:51:03] <Advant-> Any vi gurus, if I do :s/A2A.html/A2A.php/g only works if I'm on the line with A2A.html, why isn't it looking in whole doc?[01:52:14] <DraX> it's like %s,xxx,yyy,g i think[01:52:22] <DraX> if memory serves something like that[01:52:26] <saivert> yes. percent sign does the trick.[01:52:34] <Advant-> hmm[01:52:36] <saivert> quick google search: http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/global-search-replace-using-vi-editor/[01:52:43] <DraX> M-x replace-string[01:52:59] <Advant-> thanks, this website I found said use :s[01:55:49] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[02:01:02] <saivert> don't know what happened with haiku-files.org though. Downloaded a file and it the download was suddenly aborted. and no resume was available[02:02:25] *** jvff has joined #haiku[02:06:13] <jvff> Hi, I'm a student from Brazil, and I have some interest in helping Haiku and participating in GSOC[02:06:32] <mmadia_haiku> greetings jvff.[02:06:39] <jvff> Hi =)[02:07:05] <jvff> I don't have any experience with Haiku or BeOS, but have followed it's progress for the last few years[02:07:22] <jvff> I'm currently on the 4th year of computer engineering[02:07:52] <jvff> I have experience with programming with Linux (and POSIX) with many languages[02:08:15] <jvff> The languages I have more experience are C and C++[02:08:26] <jvff> I read the pages on the ideas[02:09:17] <jvff> I liked the ideas about porting AbiWord and continued development on WebPositve, however, I'm not sure I have enough experience[02:09:55] <mmadia_haiku> the easiest way is to find out by start digging into it :)[02:10:23] <jvff> I also liked the idea on implementing file systems, I _think_ I might do better[02:10:36] <mmadia_haiku> and on the upside, students who start early not only look more impressive but more importantly better equip themselves to succeed[02:11:08] <jvff> I find fascinating the idea to port the kernel to userland (I have a small passion for thinks kernel related =)[02:11:55] <jvff> I also don't know how difficult it would be to create a locale kit, but I would help (and could also provide translations to portuguese for example)[02:12:18] <jvff> I'll get into running Haiku this weekend[02:12:25] <Advant-> Hasn't locate kit already started?[02:12:29] <mmadia_haiku> unfortunately we cannot accept documentation/translation projects.[02:12:46] <mmadia_haiku> Advant- yes, but there are some aspects that need to be continued.[02:12:50] <jvff> Ok[02:12:51] *** Advant- is now known as Advant[02:13:31] <jvff> Would you recommend getting the alpha release version for testing first, or just skip to some development version?[02:13:48] <mmadia_haiku> skip right to a nightly.[02:13:58] <jvff> Ok[02:14:03] <Advant> mvfranz: Is openjdk being used in production applications, or mostly recommended not for production yet?[02:14:25] <jvff> Any chance of running an emulator on Windows?[02:14:35] <jvff> Qemu runs on windows?[02:15:21] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:15:57] <mmadia_haiku> Qemu, VMware, & VirtualBox are common emulators.[02:16:09] <mmadia_haiku> though, if you've a usb stick, that may work nicely too.[02:19:07] <jvff> SD card works too?[02:19:44] <jvff> However, I'm running from a toshiba netbook. Not sure how well drivers will respond[02:20:01] <mmadia_haiku> depending on the bios and such. Someone here does update by booting off SD cards though, so it is possible[02:20:26] <jvff> Ok[02:20:29] *** margiolas has quit IRC[02:20:34] <jvff> I'll try it too[02:21:01] <AlienSoldier> booting from 8 1/2 floppies don't work :P[02:21:38] <jvff> =)[02:24:47] *** stippi has quit IRC[02:26:59] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[02:27:31] *** mmadia_haiku has quit IRC[02:28:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:29:13] *** burmas has joined #haiku[02:40:54] *** bradsco has joined #haiku[02:43:41] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_haiku[02:45:27] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:46:57] <jvff> Which version of the nightly build should I use? gcc4 or gcc2 or a hybrid?[02:47:07] <mmadia_haiku> a gcc2 hybrid.[02:48:12] <jvff> Ok[02:48:15] <jvff> Thanks =)[02:53:43] *** noldsel has joined #haiku[03:00:59] *** burmas has quit IRC[03:01:34] *** personian has joined #haiku[03:09:25] *** saimen has quit IRC[03:11:33] *** impy has quit IRC[03:13:42] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[03:13:56] <jvff> Thank you so much for your help =)[03:14:08] <jvff> I have both the alpha and the nightly build running on qemu[03:14:21] <jvff> I'll start reading the documentation =)[03:14:40] <jvff> If all goes well, I'll return here soon[03:14:44] <jvff> Thank you again[03:14:55] <jvff> cya =)[03:16:14] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[03:16:53] *** jvff has quit IRC[03:18:33] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[03:18:43] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[03:29:07] *** tanami has left #haiku[03:33:16] *** spvensko has quit IRC[03:35:08] *** spvensko has joined #haiku[03:46:40] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:46:48] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:52:22] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[03:52:25] <mvfranz> Advant I don't know[03:52:33] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[03:57:41] *** duv has joined #haiku[03:58:54] *** spvensko has quit IRC[04:02:24] *** somebody has joined #haiku[04:08:42] *** impy has joined #haiku[04:15:59] *** hdanak has quit IRC[04:17:03] *** l_n has quit IRC[04:19:38] *** personian has quit IRC[04:24:49] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[04:47:14] *** l_n has joined #haiku[04:47:48] <l_n> well, i think it was my builds that were failing.. the nightly boots on my eee just fine.[04:48:04] <l_n> since wifi drivers are now included, methinks i'll just use nightlies to update.[04:58:45] *** l_n has quit IRC[04:58:51] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[05:01:54] *** l_n has joined #haiku[05:02:13] * l_n is idle: sleep[05:02:23] * JonathanThompson pokes l_n[05:03:39] <jmayfield_> hi[05:05:01] <helf|laptop> wooo[05:05:07] <helf|laptop> made $100 on my two raid cards :D[05:05:11] *** anirudhnair has joined #haiku[05:05:17] <helf|laptop> $100 profit, that is[05:14:56] *** anirudhnair has quit IRC[05:15:28] *** noldsel has quit IRC[05:17:38] <AlienSoldier> the purpose of raid is to make money[05:19:29] * AlienSoldier raid helf|laptop using Geoffrey Longsword[05:20:33] <helf|laptop> I'll send you straight to valhalla![05:23:50] <DraX> ...[05:24:34] *** duv has quit IRC[05:27:10] <jmayfield_> i gotta say.. android is pretty nice[05:28:46] *** anirudhnair has joined #haiku[05:29:23] *** Masquerade has quit IRC[05:30:37] <DraX> static pascal void[05:30:37] <DraX> wtf?[05:31:55] <drano> pascal probably denotes the calling convention[05:32:19] <drano> since it is the name of a common one[05:32:21] <DraX> drano: indeed[05:32:27] <DraX> drano: or so google tells me[05:32:28] <drano> probably a #define to some compiler pragma or some shit[05:32:49] <DraX> it swaps the order the arguments are put on the stack[05:33:27] <DraX> this library has taken portability to a near absurd level[05:40:28] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[05:40:31] *** talimanB has joined #haiku[05:42:26] *** OmniMancer2 has joined #haiku[05:42:54] *** talimanB has left #haiku[05:43:27] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:43:49] *** talimanB has joined #haiku[05:45:24] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[05:47:11] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:49:59] *** Kokito has quit IRC[05:50:11] *** OmniMancer2 has quit IRC[05:51:18] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[05:53:02] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:58:21] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[06:01:01] <DraX> ok, need to add some messages to notify caya that events have occured[06:01:09] <DraX> but aim protocol is done (completly untested though)[06:01:21] <OmniMancer> :P[06:02:08] <DraX> there are some features that imcomm supports that are unimplemented, and there are some features that caya wants that imcomm doesn't support[06:02:28] <DraX> and there are some places where the way caya wants things is totally unavailable in what aim provides[06:07:15] *** somebody is now known as anarchos[06:07:59] <OmniMancer> :([06:08:06] *** AlonzoTG has quit IRC[06:08:34] <DraX> ok.[06:08:41] <DraX> actually testing shit is boring though[06:09:28] <OmniMancer> :([06:11:57] *** sprma has quit IRC[06:15:14] <DraX> someone else want to compile and debug my mess for me? :D[06:16:11] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[06:17:55] <OmniMancer> no[06:20:30] <DraX> worth a try[06:23:08] *** AlonzoTG has joined 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can get that is if you start rewriting stuff you need yourself :P[07:39:45] <cpr420> DraX: I've heard that the console version of xemacs builds and runs[07:40:20] <DraX> the console version of gnu emacs builds too, but it has some issues byte compiling some of its libraries[07:40:53] <cpr420> xemacs supposedly dumps properly, haven't tried it though[07:41:04] <DraX> s/properly//[07:41:13] <DraX> there is no dumper for gnu emacs for haiku[07:41:14] <cpr420> no?[07:41:29] <DraX> gnu emacs doesn't dump, properly or not[07:41:31] <DraX> :)[07:41:41] <cpr420> right I was talking xemacs[07:41:53] <DraX> yeah i was saying that xemacs does[07:41:58] <DraX> correctly or not at least it does[07:42:06] <DraX> but dumping or not is kind of the least of my worries[07:42:21] <cpr420> I have the console version of jasspa if you want it[07:42:25] <DraX> my guess is writing a haiku dumper is probably pretty close to how the OS X one works, just outputting elf instead of mach-o and using different apis[07:42:49] <DraX> it's gnu emacs i want[07:43:03] <DraX> a few of the things i want are gnu emacs only[07:43:05] <DraX> (like js2-mode)[07:43:10] <cpr420> yeah[07:43:48] <cpr420> I attempted a work around to the missing sbrk(0) but it didn't work out right[07:44:10] <DraX> the sbrk(0) is really only part of the problem[07:44:45] <DraX> if i understand correctly areas allocate memory in a way that doesn't really map to how normal unix/elf stuff does[07:44:50] <DraX> like it's more scattered around[07:45:02] <DraX> the os x dumper also works with something called areas[07:45:16] <DraX> though i don't know how analagous they are[07:45:38] <cpr420> it should be a gsoc project :)[07:45:58] <DraX> well[07:46:04] <DraX> fixing the byte compiling segfault[07:46:11] <DraX> is a lot more important than getting a working dumper[07:46:34] <DraX> i've been meaning to try and remove cedet from the lisp directory and see if it's just the file[07:46:43] <DraX> considering that it gets pretty far into the list before it runs into a problem i think it is[07:47:12] <DraX> on my attempt before this one it just went into an infinite loop when trying to compile that same file, this time around it segfaults[07:47:21] <cpr420> mine gets all the way to creating the emacs exe but crashes on a memcpy[07:47:40] <DraX> well that sounds like you're still trying to do the dumper[07:47:46] <DraX> if you set CANNOT_DUMP[07:47:55] <DraX> you'll actually get into byte compiling elisp[07:48:11] <cpr420> yeah, was more interested in attempting a fix for that first[07:48:22] <DraX> yeah there is no easy fix[07:48:33] <DraX> i'd rather a slow emacs than no emacs[07:48:43] <cpr420> temacs runs :)[07:48:51] <cpr420> not good enough?[07:48:58] <DraX> except most basic key combinations don't work in temacs[07:49:01] <DraX> at least my build of it[07:49:18] <DraX> like C-x C-c doesn't actually work[07:49:35] <cpr420> odd[07:49:58] <DraX> says it's undefined[07:50:51] <cpr420> didn't really play around with temacs too much since it takes my computer like 20 seconds to start it[07:51:20] <cpr420> i believe C-x C-c was working though[07:51:45] <DraX> i think that for me it was failing to find the site lisp stuff for some reason[07:51:50] <DraX> which is why nothing worked[07:51:51] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[07:58:41] <DraX> ahh yeah[07:58:44] <DraX> got temacs to laod[07:58:49] <DraX> s/laod/load/[07:58:56] <DraX> just needed to set EMACSLOADPATH=/Storage/emacs/lisp[08:00:10] <DraX> takes a bit to load, but eh[08:01:55] <cpr420> run it in server mode?[08:02:18] <DraX> i was thinking that[08:02:24] <DraX> though i'm not sure emacsclient is built yet[08:04:54] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:09:47] <OmniMancer> so you are now too dependent on emacs?[08:15:01] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:18:05] *** The123king has joined #haiku[08:26:40] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[08:27:36] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[08:30:52] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[08:31:11] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[08:33:37] <DraX> yeah.. this area/memory/elf stuff is over my head[08:34:56] <mmu_screen> anyone wants to investigate ? http://identi.ca/conversation/25298381#notice-25273638[08:35:26] <DraX> i can repro[08:35:31] *** fhein has quit IRC[08:35:32] <DraX> sometimes it actually does boot[08:35:40] <DraX> but when it does you get random segfaults all the itme[08:35:44] <DraX> s/itme/time/[08:35:48] <DraX> and it happens with alpha1 too[08:35:57] <DraX> it's a virtualbox bug, there are actually similar bug reports for openbsd too[08:37:19] <DraX> ok, sleep time[08:39:08] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:39:20] <mmu_screen> ah ok[08:39:23] *** The123king has quit IRC[08:40:01] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[08:49:58] <CIA-50> jackburton * r35909 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/interface/picture/PictureTest.cpp:[08:49:58] <CIA-50> Commented out BMessage::PrintToStream() calls which crash (worked before).[08:49:58] <CIA-50> The tests shows that Drawing shapes within BPicture is broken.[08:58:48] *** alexixor has joined #haiku[09:09:26] <OmniMancer> DraX: I say gnu emacs shouldn't have been written the way it was :P[09:14:51] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[09:28:34] *** anirudhnair has quit IRC[10:02:03] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[10:03:07] *** xcasex has quit IRC[10:13:28] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[10:14:33] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[10:19:50] *** luroh has joined #haiku[10:27:40] <Bushmills> i think it should have been the way it is. instead, Omnimancemacs should be written the way OmniMancer thinks an editor must be written :P[10:28:12] <OmniMancer> :P[10:28:34] <Bushmills> you can fork it :D[10:30:41] *** sprma has joined #haiku[10:30:59] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[10:31:01] *** e-jones has joined #haiku[10:31:30] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[10:32:41] <OmniMancer> no way I am going to fix horrible code[10:34:56] <CIA-50> stippi * r35910 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ServerPicture.cpp:[10:34:57] <CIA-50> Fixed double conversion from view to screen space I introduced with the previous[10:34:57] <CIA-50> commit. PictureTest at least works again.[10:37:32] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[10:40:43] *** wildur has joined #haiku[10:42:47] <devine_> Greetings[10:43:01] <OmniMancer> greetings[10:43:56] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[10:45:09] <vegai> http://haiku-files.org/ppc/[10:45:17] <vegai> is the size of the bootcd a bit off there? 0.48MB[10:45:59] *** devine_ is now known as DDevine[10:51:46] *** _rochus_ has joined #haiku[10:53:39] *** countd has joined #haiku[10:54:05] <OmniMancer> possibly not :P[10:54:23] <OmniMancer> its an unfinished port boot CD may be only the kernel and bootloader?[10:54:29] <vegai> yeah, I guess[11:09:19] *** kitallis has quit IRC[11:11:04] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[11:11:15] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:11:57] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[11:17:10] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:21:51] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[11:22:58] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:24:33] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[11:25:41] *** _rochus_ has left #haiku[11:27:52] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[11:29:49] <CIA-50> stippi * r329 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/API/WebPage.cpp:[11:29:49] <CIA-50> Reduce DOM timers again to when Google Chrome uses. Seems to have no negative[11:29:49] <CIA-50> impact at all.[11:33:02] <CIA-50> stippi * r330 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/BrowserWindow.cpp:[11:33:02] <CIA-50> Sort items in the Go menu into submenus per base URL. This further reduces the[11:33:02] <CIA-50> clutter there. I'm quite happy now, but one issue could be that the Go menu is[11:33:02] <CIA-50> not stable: Any URL will always appear only once, somewhere in the hierarchy,[11:33:02] <CIA-50> depending on when you last visited it. 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Still not building though.[18:50:26] <largo> DraX: what don't you like about the Be cursor?[18:51:49] <DraX> it's too involved[18:53:39] <largo> umm.... o.O could you elaborate? :)[18:53:44] <romulo> i dont understand either[18:54:06] <DraX> i'm sorry i can't elaborate on my aesthetic judgements[18:54:18] <DraX> i find it too complicated and busy, with all those joints and things[18:54:31] <romulo> hmm[18:54:34] <largo> the little hand is too busy compared to a simple arrow pointer? :)[18:54:37] <romulo> i would prefer an arrow too :P[18:55:00] <largo> honestly I probably would too.[18:55:19] <largo> sometimes being different just for the sake of being different isn't necessarily a good thing. ;)[18:56:00] <largo> I'll probably be posting something about the cursors on the haiku-webkit mailing list later today.[18:56:20] <romulo> hmm cool initiative[18:56:27] <largo> I have it partially typed up now, but I want to take some screenshots of cursors from other OS's (Mac, Linux, Windows) etc... and show a comparison etc.[18:56:43] <romulo> show fedora 11 cursor[18:56:44] <romulo> its pretty neat :D[18:56:58] <largo> for instance illustrating the visual difference between default cursor and mouseover link cursor.[18:57:27] <largo> maybe I'll grab fedora 11 and latest ubuntu and drop them in virtualbox.[18:57:37] <romulo> http://devcraft.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/screenshot.png[18:58:07] <DraX> default X11 cursors <3[18:58:56] *** genki has joined #haiku[18:59:31] <Kokito> hello folks[18:59:38] <romulo> hi there[19:00:19] * Kokito is suprised at how emotional the mouse preflet thread turned[19:00:28] <largo> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/haiku/pointers5.png[19:00:35] <largo> that was what I started writing my email about...[19:00:46] <largo> making the link pointer a little more visually distinctive.[19:00:49] <romulo> i install prefer the simple cursor[19:00:54] <romulo> less stuff to distrcat[19:01:44] <largo> Kokito: yeah... I think it's fine the way it is... buried in the mouse prefs... as long as it doesn't make the code too complex in the long run having to take it into account.[19:02:10] <romulo> i still*[19:02:14] <romulo> lol why i wrote install :P[19:02:30] <largo> Kokito: personally I've never cared for that kind of stuff... I thought it was a superfluous bit of added complexity for a tiny minority of people who felt strongly about it... but that the vast majority would be perfectly fine with click to raise/focus like everything else uses.[19:03:17] <romulo> yeah, im one of the raise click focus guys :P[19:08:03] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35915 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/reiserfs/Iterators.cpp:[19:08:03] <CIA-50> * StreamReader::ReadAt(): Passed incorrect size to _ReadDirectItem(), which[19:08:03] <CIA-50> could cause a memory read access beyond the block, resulting in a crash, if[19:08:03] <CIA-50> nothing was mapped there.[19:08:03] <CIA-50> * Automatic white space cleanup.[19:08:21] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35916 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/reiserfs/Item.cpp: Automatic white space cleanup.[19:09:05] <Kokito> largo, personally, I don't care either. but as it is, the focus mode selection is very confusing[19:10:11] <NightlyUser> i wasn't aware haiku had support for reiserfs[19:10:41] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[19:10:44] <mmadia> read-only though, NightlyUser.[19:10:53] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_haiku[19:11:31] <NightlyUser> still, good to know it's there[19:13:22] <romulo> giong to format my disk[19:13:31] <romulo> mess up with new partition table, talk to you guys later[19:14:02] <largo> good luck ;)[19:14:36] <romulo> ty[19:14:36] *** romulo has left #haiku[19:16:10] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:19:17] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[19:23:34] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[19:23:55] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35917 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/slab/allocator.cpp:[19:23:55] <CIA-50> Changed the names of the block allocator object caches to avoid confusion[19:23:55] <CIA-50> with the ones of the block cache.[19:30:23] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[19:32:53] *** [Evan] has joined #haiku[19:35:19] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[19:37:49] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:44:42] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[19:45:33] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[19:46:48] *** kitallis has quit IRC[19:48:53] *** amaurymedeiros has joined #haiku[19:51:10] <lancel00t> TiltOS for Haiku is kind of strange, but then I am probably using it incorrectly.[19:51:26] <lancel00t> I don't like how it overwrites important files[19:53:02] <largo> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/haiku/pointers6.png[19:53:49] <DraX> ugh, ubuntu and it's stupid not X11 cursor[19:54:08] <AlienSoldier> is the cursor scalable now?[19:54:16] <DraX> the real x11 cursor is basically identical to the osx minus the drop shadow[19:56:16] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:57:38] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[19:58:16] <Masquerade> Really like those ? pointers. But I dont think that triangle is needed.[20:00:42] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:01:25] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:01:25] <largo> hrm...[20:01:38] <largo> should I post my email to the Haiku list? rather than Haiku-webkit?[20:01:47] <largo> I think it's much more geared to Haiku in general than just webkit.[20:01:58] <largo> or maybe Haiku-development?[20:02:38] <humdinger> An email on what? pointers?[20:02:43] <largo> yeah.[20:03:10] <humdinger> Since stippi's pointers are part of haiku, the haiku-list would be the right place.[20:03:14] <largo> I had originally started it to haiku-webkit because I was just writing about the link pointer specifically that stippi did while working on the webkit port.[20:03:23] <largo> gotcha.[20:03:47] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35918 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/cache/block_cache.cpp:[20:03:47] <CIA-50> block_cache::NewBlock(): Allocate cached_block::current_data only when the[20:03:47] <CIA-50> block was freshly allocated. A block returned by _GetUnusedBlock() already[20:03:47] <CIA-50> has current_data and we would leak it before.[20:03:47] <humdinger> I agree, the link pointer would be better with a slightly darker arrow.[20:03:54] <largo> DraX: the default X cursors that I remember look really dated. of course it's been awhile since I've looked at the default ones outside of a window manager. ;)[20:04:20] <largo> humdinger: well, I'll post it to the mailing list and people can discuss it there I guess. :)[20:04:32] <humdinger> right[20:04:34] <largo> hopefully I don't bring down the wrath of the gurus on my head. ;_;[20:05:08] <humdinger> piffle. At worst it gets ignored. :)[20:05:29] *** amaurymedeiros has quit IRC[20:05:36] <DraX> i mean they are dated, but meh[20:07:04] *** BeRReGoN has joined #haiku[20:11:20] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[20:11:49] * largo dons the asbestos suit and braces for impact.[20:13:05] *** santafe has joined #haiku[20:14:25] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[20:16:37] *** prOSy has quit IRC[20:18:08] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35919 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/elf.cpp: preload_image(): Removed erroneous rld_unlock() in error case. Fixes #5599.[20:20:56] *** santafe has left #haiku[20:29:05] * JonathanThompson laughs about the race against time recruiters are involved in for requesting RTRs for development positions...[20:33:22] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:34:55] <vooshy> JonathanThompson: RTR?[20:35:05] <JonathanThompson> Right To Represent.[20:35:30] <vooshy> i tried google, but got The Royal Tank Regiment[20:35:36] <JonathanThompson> This is required when working with recruiting/consulting firms submitting resumes to companies, such as, say, Microsoft.[20:36:15] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:36:22] <vooshy> Thanks, makes alot more sense[20:36:29] <vooshy> how is the job hunt?[20:36:35] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[20:36:45] <JonathanThompson> It's vitally important you don't commit with more than one submission.[20:36:56] <JonathanThompson> Well, had an on-site screening interview Wednesday at Microsoft.[20:37:31] <JonathanThompson> Something has gone wacky, though: it was my understanding the coding interview would have been yesterday or today depending on their schedule and mine, but not gotten a contact back from that recruiter.[20:38:26] <JonathanThompson> I've spoken with 3 different recruiters on the phone thus far today alone, and for more than one position for at least 1 of them.[20:39:29] *** sprma has quit IRC[20:40:19] <vooshy> what dept at Microsoft were you going for, or is that still to be decided[20:41:30] <JonathanThompson> For that interview, Manufacturing Test Engineering group for XBox, Zune HD and Surface.[20:42:40] <The123king> sounds fun[20:42:48] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:44:03] <vooshy> thats quite a range of devices, sounds like you have several options with the other recruiters too.[20:44:45] <JonathanThompson> I am... busy.[20:45:16] <JonathanThompson> At least a couple times this week my wakeup calls have been recruiters :P[20:45:35] *** e-jones has quit IRC[20:49:00] <vooshy> at least there doing some of the work, i tend to have to chase recruiters[20:49:19] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:49:32] <JonathanThompson> For many months, it has been a frustrating experience for the job search, as Microsoft really does drive a lot of things around here.[20:49:40] *** personian has quit IRC[20:50:10] <JonathanThompson> I've got a sufficient history that when there's a lot of hiring going on, I have recruiters interrupting the conversations of other recruiters via call-waiting, which is a nice problem to have.[20:50:27] <JonathanThompson> And yes, Microsoft last year was laying off a lot of people, and not hiring nearly as many.[20:51:18] <JonathanThompson> vooshy: if you have Yahoo! on your resume, that tends to help :D[20:51:43] <vooshy> how long were you at yahoo?[20:52:11] <JonathanThompson> Total about 22 months, a bit over half as a permanent employee.[20:52:39] <JonathanThompson> I got caught in a 5% reduction at the end of 2008, was on the payroll until February 2009.[20:53:03] <JonathanThompson> I was in the interviewing process for going permanent when Steve Ballmer dropped the bomb.[20:54:28] *** mmadia_haiku has quit IRC[20:54:39] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:55:05] *** [1]Evan has joined #haiku[20:55:09] <vooshy> youd think coders would not be effected by the politics but it always hurts the whole company[20:55:24] <JonathanThompson> Absolutely it does.[20:55:57] <JonathanThompson> And the announcement in the quarterly earnings report that they were going to do it just killed morale.[20:56:28] *** [Evan] has quit IRC[20:56:39] <JonathanThompson> I'd rather not work in such situations in the future, though with my history, I fear I'm doomed to sign onto companies that lay off.[20:56:54] <drano> even small companies lay off[20:57:04] <JonathanThompson> True.[20:57:13] <drano> but yeah, the big guys are gonna be worse about it[20:57:20] <JonathanThompson> The one that brought me out here was a fairly small company, and I was laid off.[20:57:50] <JonathanThompson> Well, the small one that brought me out here, I didn't have the 2 months warning like Yahoo that there were layoffs, but Yahoo! was legally required to.[20:57:51] *** [Evan] has joined #haiku[20:58:18] *** genki has quit IRC[20:59:07] <drano> where are you living now?[20:59:16] <JonathanThompson> Of course, that small company I was aware of was in the red when I hired.[20:59:23] *** [1]Evan has quit IRC[20:59:35] <JonathanThompson> Mercer Island, WA, between Seattle and Bellevue WA, where Bellevue borders Redmond.[20:59:49] <oZ]> Puget Sound, the land of aimless companies. ;)[21:00:06] <drano> ah[21:00:13] <JonathanThompson> That's an editorial comment if I ever read one, oZ] :p[21:00:14] <oZ]> I lived in Seattle for eight years. I have a lot of companies on my resume. heh.[21:02:23] <JonathanThompson> oZ]: was it your experience that most things were done via contracts and recruiters while there?[21:02:45] <drano> i am constantly harrassed by recruiters from seattle[21:02:49] <drano> i wouldn't trust any of them[21:02:51] <oZ]> I would say the vast majority was, yes. I tried to stay away from it the best that I could.[21:03:05] <oZ]> Most of the recruiters represent the big companies, though: Google, Amazon, Microsoft.[21:03:17] <JonathanThompson> drano: about half the recruiters I'm working with aren't even in the state :p[21:03:23] <drano> yeah[21:03:38] <oZ]> I still get harassed by Seattle recruiters, and I've been in Minneapolis for almost two years.[21:03:44] <drano> i searched for a job for a year and the only luck i had was direct contact with companies[21:03:47] <drano> recruiters are awful[21:04:02] <oZ]> Yeah, craigslist can be your friend in these situations.[21:04:05] <JonathanThompson> Don't you know? Minneapolis doesn't exist, and it's right next door, so it's an easy hop :p[21:04:09] <drano> probably got about 1000 calls a day[21:04:11] <oZ]> JoanthanThompson: What kind of work are you looking for?[21:04:21] <JonathanThompson> Preferably development.[21:04:41] <JonathanThompson> Also, prefer to expand my repertoire out of embedded/C++ and what I've done in the past as well.[21:04:42] <oZ]> Preference in language/environment? Are you a systems/python kind of guy, a web/java kind of guy, a don[21:04:47] <oZ]> don't care kind of guy? ;)[21:04:48] <oZ]> Ah.[21:04:55] <JonathanThompson> I'm fairly open.[21:05:20] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[21:05:25] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:05:28] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[21:05:32] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:05:35] <Ingenu> I'd prefer to go S[21:05:36] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[21:05:38] <drano> i was a primarily c++ kind of guy before i got this job[21:05:39] <Ingenu> hdrm[21:05:40] <Ingenu> D[21:05:44] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:05:44] <Ingenu> I meant[21:05:44] <drano> where i do web stuff with perl[21:05:52] <oZ]> perl++[21:05:55] <JonathanThompson> I recently interviewed at Expedia.com, but they got me squarely with not being able to properly answer "How would you design youTube?" because I have no web services experience.[21:06:02] <Ingenu> so perl is no dead...[21:06:12] <Ingenu> so many languages[21:06:12] <oZ]> Not if you do it right, Ingenu. 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when and where the "Big deal" message appears in the Mouse preflet?[22:05:39] *** TomMan81 has joined #haiku[22:06:33] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[22:09:32] <saivert> did one of the latest nightly builds of Haiku break WebPositive?[22:09:46] <saivert> now it complains about a missing symbol on startup[22:11:21] <mmadia> what are you running gcc2h, ... ?[22:12:34] <saivert> yes gcc2hybrid, r35900[22:12:43] <mmadia> what revision of Web+ ?[22:13:07] <saivert> how do I figure out that?[22:13:17] <mmadia> where'd you download it?[22:13:23] <saivert> link on the haiku blog[22:13:27] *** dakdagi has quit IRC[22:13:33] <saivert> titled "WebPositive matures"[22:13:37] <mmadia> ahh, try r326 http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies/index.html[22:13:37] <saivert> some svn build[22:13:51] <saivert> so the blog link is old and dead?[22:14:27] <saivert> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/saivert/Haiku-2010-03-19-22-15-53.png[22:14:39] <saivert> just the screenshot I meant to post earlier[22:14:43] <saivert> but photobucket is dead slow[22:14:48] <mmadia> ah, you're haiku is too old.[22:14:57] *** oZ] has quit IRC[22:15:04] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/35905[22:15:08] <HaikuBot> you need r35905[22:15:36] <saivert> constantly changing eh?[22:15:49] <mmadia> yeah, stippi's been burning the candle at both ends -- updating Haiku & Web+ at the same time.[22:15:55] <saivert> nice[22:16:28] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[22:16:34] <saivert> yes, so WebPositive and Haiku is tightly coupled[22:16:38] <saivert> maybe a bit too coupled?[22:16:52] <mmadia> not coupled enough,[22:17:20] *** jvff has quit IRC[22:17:20] <DraX> it's not coupled at all[22:17:23] <mmadia> eventually, Web+ may/will be pulled into Haiku's source tree[22:17:34] <DraX> he's been adding features that webkit needs to properly draw things[22:17:45] <mmadia> and WebKit may/will be handled as an OptionalBuildFeature, similar to how OpenSSL works.[22:18:27] *** Skipp_OSX has joined 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quit IRC[22:47:16] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[22:47:20] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[22:47:51] <Advant> What is chmod command to remove world writable?[22:48:04] <largo> vooshy: I hadn't tried building it from source recently. I was just noticing the failed builds on mmlr.dyndns.org.[22:48:33] <largo> since svn checkouts kill Haiku for me I haven't bothered trying to do any of that lately. :P[22:49:29] *** [Evan] has quit IRC[22:50:08] <largo> chmod o-w ? :P[22:50:18] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[22:50:32] <largo> I was lazy and always just set them numerically... (which isn't the ideal way to do it, but it was a bad habit)[22:50:43] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[22:51:03] <Kokito> cpr420, thank you![22:52:47] *** saivert has quit IRC[22:53:03] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:53:30] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:53:33] <largo> Advant: was that what you were looking for? chmod o-w ?[22:53:34] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[22:54:01] <largo> that will remove write access for "other".[22:54:02] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:54:47] <largo> so if you have a chmod 777 file (read, write, and execute for user, group, and other), and you chmod o-w the file, you will go from rwxrwxrwx to rwxrwxr-x[22:54:53] <largo> which sounds like what you wanted?[22:55:43] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[22:55:57] <vooshy> largo: http://fixee.org/paste/kqwbz6u/ just in case you were curious about the error[22:57:02] <largo> vooshy: are you building that against the latest Haiku sources? It sounds like stippi added stuff to Haiku proper that would affect that.[22:57:07] <largo> (in my limited understanding) ;)[22:57:31] <largo> vooshy: http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/35905[22:57:42] <largo> like that etc.[22:58:41] <Advant> largo: turns out hosting said everything needs to be 755[22:59:21] *** saivert has joined #haiku[23:00:12] <vooshy> largo: yep, if only i had some success with haiku and svn[23:00:33] <largo> Advant: everything? :/ that's curious. generally only executables need to be executable. ;)[23:01:02] <largo> Advant: so most files (almost all I'd think) should be chmod 644, not 755.[23:01:14] <largo> sounds like they're just being lazy or something.[23:01:25] <largo> unless ALL of your files are actually executable or something...[23:01:31] * largo stops rambling...[23:01:42] *** stippi has joined #haiku[23:01:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[23:01:52] <largo> speak of the devil and he shall appear! ;)[23:01:53] <Advant> largo: no, it was mostly around css[23:01:56] <Advant> but js as well[23:02:19] <largo> Advant: regardless, I don't think js files need to be 755 either. but who am I to argue. I don't think it hurts anything per se.[23:06:49] *** vooshy has quit IRC[23:15:51] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:16:26] <saivert> tip: add "bios.bootDelay = 5000" to your haiku.vmx to be able to get time to select the CD to boot from instead of it booting from the HDD always[23:18:08] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[23:19:43] *** judgen has joined #haiku[23:21:43] *** TomMan81 has quit IRC[23:21:46] <kieselsteini> hi there[23:23:01] <kieselsteini> why is ACPI/APM disabled by default in Haiku?[23:23:36] <largo> still "under construction" ? I don't really know. :)[23:24:28] <kieselsteini> hmm[23:24:30] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[23:25:01] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[23:25:36] <saivert> nice, WebPositive doesn't remember the HTTP Digest login[23:25:50] <saivert> keeps asking for password for every item on a page that needs to be downloaded[23:25:59] <Skipp_OSX> kieselsteini, from what I have heard it is still disabled by default because it is not quite ready yet[23:26:25] <l_n> it (acpi) causes my eee to lock up[23:26:34] *** Geoz has quit IRC[23:26:37] <l_n> at least last time i tried it[23:27:26] <mmadia> however, testing it & reporting any issues is much appreciated.[23:27:59] *** Kroki has quit IRC[23:28:45] <largo> saivert: :'([23:29:11] <l_n> mmadia: strange thing.. a nightly worked where my builds wouldn't boot.[23:29:11] <kieselsteini> hmm on my Lenovo T500 it seems to work quite fine...it took time to realize the the battery app won't work without ACPI enabled :D[23:30:15] <mmadia> what OS are you building from, l_n ?[23:30:32] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[23:30:35] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[23:30:48] <mmadia> eerrr, what filesystem is storing generated/ ?[23:31:52] <l_n> haiku[23:31:57] <l_n> bfs[23:32:09] <l_n> 1024 no query[23:32:12] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:33:45] <mmadia> anything in UserBuildConfig?[23:33:49] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[23:35:28] <l_n> hang on.[23:35:54] *** CapitanPicoZ has joined #haiku[23:37:10] <CapitanPicoZ> Hi, do any of you have problems with the apps translation site of Haiku?[23:37:17] <l_n> http://pastebin.com/44kg0djZ[23:38:11] <CapitanPicoZ> I have entered three times and it has crashed my Zeta three times too x([23:38:38] <CapitanPicoZ> I can use the translation guide perfectly, but not the apps site :S[23:39:18] <mmadia> what's your jam command, l_n ?[23:40:22] *** ragcsi has joined #haiku[23:40:36] <ragcsi> hai[23:40:45] <kieselsteini> hu ragcsi[23:42:00] *** fly-away has quit IRC[23:43:45] *** CapitanPicoZ has left #haiku[23:44:15] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:44:58] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[23:46:23] <mmadia> l_n : http://haiku.pastebin.com/sPQ0kqWJ[23:46:52] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[23:51:18] *** The123king has left #haiku[23:55:48] <Kokito> oops, forgot removing my demo email account after SCaLE, and now it has 4K messages waiting...[23:56:22] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[23:57:36] * JonathanThompson laughs[23:58:04] *** Nozy has joined #haiku