March 18, 2010 
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March 18, 2010 [00:00:27] <kirilla> I like java[00:01:10] <kirilla> would be interesting to make a "Cocoa" for Haiku[00:01:34] <kirilla> a Haiku java API similar to the C++ one[00:01:56] <kirilla> or maybe cocoa is obj-c, I forget[00:04:22] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[00:05:38] <stargater> i use qt ide but it is slow on haiku with terminal app (vim) and pe and co have i more fun to code[00:06:37] <kirilla> Is that QtCreator?[00:06:46] <stargater> jop[00:07:06] <kirilla> Is it easy to install the Qt libs and co?[00:07:09] <stargater> on winxp[00:07:16] <kirilla> ah oki[00:07:16] <stargater> not on haiku[00:07:28] <stargater> i dont like qt4 in haiku[00:08:09] <kirilla> Colin did a presentation at last BeGeistert on using Eclipse with the Haiku code base[00:08:18] <stargater> but i am a hobby coder[00:09:35] <kirilla> yes, it's probably easier to get started with native development in Haiku, with the available tools, like Pe[00:09:43] <kirilla> and makefiles or jamfiels[00:10:24] <stargater> qt is for me a "moster" and i have not time to learn a other api[00:11:14] <stargater> haiku i can do app and windows and view and recsource files , c/c++ basics[00:11:26] *** Maledictus has quit IRC[00:11:32] <stargater> in time i learn drawing in haiku[00:12:51] <kirilla> I like the Haiku API, but sometimes I have my doubts about C++ as a language[00:13:07] <Kokito> hi stargater[00:13:24] <stargater> hi Kokito[00:13:41] <stargater> Kokito, you are haiku-os.org admin ?[00:14:06] <Kokito> no stargater[00:14:22] <stargater> ok then sorry :-)[00:14:34] <Kokito> that's ok :)[00:14:43] <stargater> :-)[00:15:05] <Kokito> did you find a bug/problem/type?[00:15:47] <Kokito> type > typo[00:21:10] * JonathanThompson has an idiot for a roommate[00:22:26] <JonathanThompson> He has this weird idea, based on his limited experience in interview situations for completely non-technical positions that people will always schedule another interview on the spot if they like you, based on the current interview.[00:23:26] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:23:49] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop[00:24:12] <stargater> Kokito, yes[00:25:07] <stargater> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/undefined_reference_bapplication == when i commit this, and used <Application.h> then cant see it[00:25:23] <stargater> it is the <xx> bug[00:26:28] *** fly-away has quit IRC[00:28:50] <Kokito> stargater, you need to use the <code> tag[00:28:52] <kieselsteini> is BString UTF aware ?[00:29:09] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:30:34] <Kokito> also, the input format should be full html stargater. do you want me to fix it for you?[00:31:41] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:32:39] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[00:35:44] <DraX> martinhpedersen: you could probably make it possible to tear off tabs in haikutwitter, so that when you drag them outside the window they become a new window[00:35:54] <DraX> martinhpedersen: and then be able to have search, etc side by side[00:36:37] *** korli has quit IRC[00:39:57] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[00:41:28] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[00:44:19] *** santafe has left #haiku[00:45:45] *** diogen has left #haiku[00:49:22] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:50:01] *** TCA is now known as flameshadow[00:53:49] <Kokito> reboot[00:54:03] *** {V} has quit IRC[00:54:03] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[00:54:05] *** Kokito has quit IRC[00:56:38] *** {V} has joined #haiku[00:57:02] *** Turelion has joined #haiku[00:57:10] <Turelion> hello[00:57:53] *** Turelion has quit IRC[00:58:06] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:02:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:03:43] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[01:04:06] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[01:19:36] *** johnny_b has quit IRC[01:23:41] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[01:32:50] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[01:35:28] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[01:43:31] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[01:43:32] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[01:44:23] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35896 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug.cpp: (log message trimmed)[01:44:23] <CIA-50> * sCurrentKernelDebuggerMessageArgs is no longer used directly. Whenever it[01:44:23] <CIA-50> is passed to some v*printf(), we clone it first. This way we can use it[01:44:23] <CIA-50> repeatedly. It worked only on certain architectures correctly before.[01:44:23] <CIA-50> * Changed the panic() semantics a bit: When the format contains the[01:44:23] <CIA-50> (hopefully unusual enough) string "@!" only the part before it is[01:44:24] <CIA-50> considered to belong to the panic message. The part after it is interpreted[01:49:02] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[01:50:48] *** anarchos has joined #haiku[01:52:37] <anarchos> has anyone bought one of the haiku t-shirts from cafepress?[01:52:51] <Kokito> I have anarchos[01:52:56] <anarchos> good quality t-shirt?[01:53:12] <Kokito> OK quality I would say[01:53:32] <anarchos> is it really thin?[01:53:44] <anarchos> i hate t-shirts that are so thin they're see-through almost[01:55:02] <Kokito> sorry, I was confused anarchos. what I bought was the golf shirt, not the t-shirt[01:55:32] <Kokito> this one: http://www.cafepress.com/haiku_os.295451384[01:58:22] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:00:39] *** Megaf_ has joined #haiku[02:02:50] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:12:02] <Kokito> anyone knows what the difference is between "click to activate" and "click to focus" mouse focus modes?[02:14:24] *** Nozy has quit IRC[02:15:47] <bradsco> JonathanThompson: you around?[02:16:21] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[02:18:23] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[02:18:50] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[02:23:25] *** gwenael has quit IRC[02:23:29] *** gwenael has joined #haiku[02:29:53] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[02:31:58] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[02:33:17] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[02:36:12] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[02:37:31] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[02:38:13] *** NathanP has joined #haiku[02:38:24] <NathanP> Man, it's been awhile since I've been in here.[02:41:48] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[02:42:37] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[02:49:57] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[02:50:54] <NathanP> Has anyone here had any success getting BeOS and Zeta running under VMware for Linux?[02:54:08] <Kokito> NathanP, I remember briefly trying but soon giving up :)[02:54:40] <NathanP> It worked fine before, but it seems under 7.0, it just doesn't want to boot all the way.[02:55:07] <NathanP> I'm going to try some different things, then...[02:55:32] <Kokito> now that I recall, it may have been vbox, not vmware[03:04:15] *** anarchos has quit IRC[03:04:28] *** [genfool] has joined #haiku[03:11:36] *** mmlr_away has quit IRC[03:14:29] * JonathanThompson poits bradsco[03:14:36] <JonathanThompson> I'm around now, bradsco[03:15:07] <bradsco> I saw you mention xbox motherboards and testing and interview[03:15:18] <JonathanThompson> Yes[03:15:29] <JonathanThompson> Are you working at Microsoft now?[03:15:33] <NathanP> Ah, long time, no see. How are you doing, JonathanThompson?[03:15:43] <bradsco> Did you see the picture of the new revision that popped up today?[03:15:58] <JonathanThompson> Insane in the membrane/insane in the brain, NathanP ![03:16:09] <JonathanThompson> I've been too busy with other things :p[03:16:19] <bradsco> http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-xbox-360-valhalla-redesign-pictured-1778087/[03:16:35] <NathanP> I'm not That insane. I've only been trying to compile that driver five times a day, now.[03:18:00] <JonathanThompson> Low insanity rate lately, NathanP ?[03:18:10] <JonathanThompson> Now I've read it, bradsco.[03:18:22] <NathanP> Well, you see, I'm no longer using the system with the Mobility Radeon X300.[03:18:29] * JonathanThompson has never owned a console[03:18:32] <NathanP> So, there's not allot of reason to keep doing it, beyond an obsession.[03:18:33] <bradsco> Just current event stuff, in case you need to drop some knowledge[03:19:18] <JonathanThompson> Well, I thought I'd be able to drop my bit of knowledge of the system today, but almost no chance or reason to do so.[03:19:33] <JonathanThompson> This was, unbeknownst to me before I went in, a screening interview.[03:19:46] <JonathanThompson> Which, unless I wholly misunderstood, I made it through.[03:19:49] <NathanP> Gah, I need to get Some type of BeOS system running shortly. I'm attempting an experiment with a few other folks.[03:20:12] <JonathanThompson> It's odd to me that, for a contract interview, it wasn't all on-site on the same day.[03:20:22] <JonathanThompson> And that the screen wasn't via phone.[03:20:27] * JonathanThompson shrugs[03:20:31] <bradsco> Well I wish you luck, not an entirely joyful thing to look for a new jorb[03:20:45] <[genfool]> HI, still reading through the website thinking about giving haiku a try.. Looks interesting but have many questions does haiku have a package manager like linux? how are packages installed? Any heads up I should know about on a first install?[03:21:09] <JonathanThompson> And I've been looking for awhile, and I'm not quite sure how Extended Benefits work and if I qualify, besides having a big tax bill due that I have no way to pay right now :([03:21:15] <NathanP> [genfool], Haiku has some form of a package manager, but it's a third-party download (and not really complete, if I recall).[03:22:07] <[genfool]> ahh, grab the package and compile?[03:22:15] <NathanP> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/app-installation/synthetic-package-manager[03:22:18] <mmadia> Haiku does have a work-in-progress package manager : http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagerIdeas http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageFormat[03:22:21] <NathanP> I believe this is it.[03:22:41] <JonathanThompson> bradsco: if I manage to get the job, it'll be probably one of the best SDET positions available for pay and longevity for not being a direct employee.[03:22:54] <[genfool]> NathanP, thanks, let me look through those.[03:22:58] <mmadia> There's also HaikuPorts, which maintains commonly ported applications : http://ports.haiku-files.org[03:23:38] <NathanP> And there's also Haikuware and BeBits, which provide software for BeOS and Haiku.[03:23:41] <bradsco> JonathanThompson: It's not a contract position is it?[03:23:54] <mmadia> and included in Haiku, there's a small script for installing Optional Packages : `installoptionalpackage`[03:23:57] * JonathanThompson laughs at Google's trademark issue with the Nexus One[03:24:17] <JonathanThompson> It's a V- contract position, meaning... no limit to how long it can go, but it's still a contract position.[03:25:30] <l_n> trademark issue?[03:25:34] <NathanP> JonathanThompson, I wouldn't worry. If the USPTO can allow the most insane patents to pass through, they'll allow this.[03:25:44] <JonathanThompson> :p[03:25:57] <bradsco> JonathanThompson: At least you don't have to worry about THAT company going belly up[03:26:05] <JonathanThompson> True :p[03:26:15] <NathanP> Hm. I know there's Apache and the rest for BeOS, but is it also available for Haiku?[03:26:30] <JonathanThompson> Though I wish it hadn't been so long between being laid off from Yahoo! and getting an employment offer (which hasn't happened yet)[03:27:00] <JonathanThompson> And yes, Microsoft laid off a bunch of people lately.[03:27:06] <JonathanThompson> Make of that what you will.[03:27:15] <JonathanThompson> The last part of last year their hiring was very slow.[03:27:21] <NathanP> JonathanThompson: the age of the Linux desktop?[03:27:24] *** somebody has joined #haiku[03:27:42] <JonathanThompson> But at this time, I've got recruiters interrupting phone calls with other recruiters trying to get me to sign up for RTR for Microsoft contract positions.[03:28:06] <JonathanThompson> NathanP: some of the contract positions there include Linux at Microsoft.[03:28:24] <JonathanThompson> But I'm still not betting on the age of the Linux desktop :p[03:28:26] <NathanP> I still find it hard to imagine Linux and Microsoft.[03:28:51] <NathanP> Oh, no. Everyone knows it will never happen. But the age of the BSD desktop is on the way.[03:30:03] * JonathanThompson smirks[03:30:07] <NathanP> One of my goals for 2010 is to actually get a normal, average family to use FreeBSD/PC-BSD for their computer OS.[03:31:15] <NathanP> I may have to sabotage their Windows system first, then convince them to switch through some lies, etc.[03:31:28] <NathanP> Overall, I think it might work.[03:31:33] <JonathanThompson> Should be easy for you :p[03:32:01] <NathanP> Heh, I got my family running off of Zeta for a few months, so this should be easy.[03:32:50] <NathanP> They were complaining about the lack of AOL, though.[03:33:24] <JonathanThompson> Is AOL even still viable for anyone anywhere?[03:33:26] <NathanP> I hate that AOL client.[03:33:34] <NathanP> For them it is.[03:33:38] <JonathanThompson> I know my oldest brother has an AOL email address, at least.[03:33:45] <NathanP> I used it every few years to see if it was still crap.[03:33:55] <NathanP> They released that first VR release, which had allot of nice stuff in it.[03:34:02] <NathanP> Then they went back to their older crap.[03:34:28] <NathanP> It's all Internet Explorer, so I don't like to touch it much.[03:35:55] * NathanP is still a Netscape user, though.[03:36:11] <AlienSoldier> i love AOL, they provided me a nice floppy holder to put my R5 boot floppy :)[03:36:51] <NathanP> I should have saved all my floppies and CD's from them, instead of throwing them in the batch of Fireworks for every 4th of July.[03:39:29] <NathanP> Gah![03:39:43] <NathanP> A web hosting company has launched a competing social networking site![03:39:54] <NathanP> I need to destroy them! Destroy! Destroy! Destroy![03:40:19] <NathanP> And they had the nerve to do it using the same software platform I'm using.[03:40:25] * JonathanThompson kills NathanP[03:40:30] * NathanP prepares his machete.[03:40:37] <JonathanThompson> Oops, mistake![03:40:48] <JonathanThompson> I meant to take out your family instead, and got you! :D[03:40:53] <NathanP> But alas, I have a trick up my sleeve.[03:41:00] <NathanP> They don't know how this software works.[03:41:01] <NathanP> I do.[03:41:20] <NathanP> But, they've already launched.[03:41:23] * JonathanThompson hides and seeks[03:41:25] <NathanP> I'm still in development.[03:41:34] <NathanP> But, that means they made the first mistake: pre-mature launch.[03:41:45] <NathanP> They have allot of bugs and exploits now, while I don't.[03:42:51] <AlienSoldier> social site are so out, start to work on desocialisation site[03:43:14] <NathanP> Eh, the gaming social networking market is still a bit spacey.[03:43:19] <[genfool]> +1 to AlienSoldier[03:43:23] <NathanP> I have a few other projects up my sleeve, though.[03:43:54] * JonathanThompson wonders if NathanP is subject to any sort of buffer overflow errors[03:44:04] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps your cup runneth over?[03:44:07] <NathanP> I'll show you a buffer overflow![03:44:17] * NathanP wonders how the hell he'd buffer overflow someone.[03:44:23] <JonathanThompson> (That could get you in trouble at work due to sexual harassment!)[03:44:49] <NathanP> I work alone.[03:45:02] <JonathanThompson> Ok, so you keep the door closed :D[03:45:14] * JonathanThompson wonders when NathanP will come out of the closet[03:45:37] <NathanP> After I get rid of these skeletons.[03:45:50] <NathanP> They're starting to reek.[03:45:56] <JonathanThompson> That one's your sister, isn't it?[03:46:13] <NathanP> No, no. She's in the basement with the pizza boy.[03:46:21] <JonathanThompson> Also dead?[03:46:33] <NathanP> Yes. Right next to Elvis.[03:47:35] <JonathanThompson> The Velvet one?[03:47:51] <NathanP> No, he like nylon.[03:47:52] <[genfool]> set some open boxes of baking soda around, kills odors....all set.[03:48:14] <NathanP> I tried that, but it makes a mess.[03:48:18] <NathanP> The cats get to it.[03:48:30] <[genfool]> hehehe[03:49:01] <JonathanThompson> Right: cats sometimes get that not-so-fresh feeling and want to get rid of it :p[03:51:00] <NathanP> That reminds me, I need to feed them.[03:51:07] <NathanP> It's been... oh, crap.[03:51:17] <[genfool]> well, downloading now...wont get to install till this weekend. Looks interesting.[03:51:19] <NathanP> When was last Thursday?[03:52:34] <[genfool]> was the day after last Wednesday.[03:53:12] <[genfool]> you may be missing some mice.[03:55:28] <NathanP> It's Vilayer vs Armatus Group.[03:55:34] <NathanP> Shall we see who wins the battle?[03:56:37] <DraX> wow, twitter doesn't bother to use singular in the case of one[03:56:40] <DraX> ``about 1 hours ago''[03:57:08] <NathanP> Ashton Kutcher is the most followed person on their.[03:57:18] <NathanP> Do you really think anyone using that service would notice?[03:57:43] <DraX> *yawn*[04:02:16] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[04:02:26] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[04:09:36] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[04:11:28] *** linkslice has joined #haiku[04:11:37] <linkslice> evnin[04:14:09] *** TCA has joined #haiku[04:20:58] *** somebody is now known as anarchos[04:21:02] <anarchos> hrmph[04:21:13] <NathanP> Right back at you.[04:21:26] <anarchos> haiku night raw image wont boot on qemu for me[04:24:55] <mmadia> you need to give more information anarchos.[04:25:09] <anarchos> idunno what i can say :P[04:25:27] <anarchos> i try to boot, and it gives me a "_" on the screens, sans the quotes...[04:25:43] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[04:25:59] <anarchos> latest nightly, and also happens on 35864[04:28:43] <mmadia> your best bet is to do a binary search from the last working revision[04:30:39] <anarchos> idunno what that even really means...[04:32:29] <mmadia> it's a way of reducing a very large set into a smaller one, by examining the middle value.[04:33:24] <mmadia> like, guess a number 1 - 100;. 50. no, too small. 75. nope, to high, 62, yes, that's correct.[04:34:00] <anarchos> ok..[04:34:32] <NathanP> I think he's still lost. :p[04:35:12] <DraX> haiku-nightly-r35808-x86gcc2hybrid-raw.zip definetly works for me in qemu[04:35:26] <mmadia> ok, this works with things in a list,,, any list for that matter.[04:36:26] <mmadia> by looking at the middle value, you'll be able to learn if the issue occured somewhere between the starting point and middle -- or -- the middle and end.[04:36:34] *** linkslice has quit IRC[04:36:43] <mmadia> so lets say you had a list of 3,000 revisions to check.[04:36:58] <mmadia> on the first pass, you'll reduce that to 1,500 revisions.[04:38:02] <mmadia> then on the second pass you examine the middle value of those 1,500 revisions, which will eliminate half (750 this time)[04:38:51] <mmadia> does that make sense, anarchos?[04:39:13] <anarchos> i think i understand[04:40:37] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[05:06:14] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[05:15:42] *** [genfool] has quit IRC[05:17:08] *** TCA has quit IRC[05:18:14] *** cryptic has joined #haiku[05:21:39] *** TCA has joined #haiku[05:24:05] *** anarchos has quit IRC[05:29:14] *** [genfool] has joined #haiku[05:48:20] *** [genfool] has left #haiku[05:53:09] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[05:53:55] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[05:57:55] *** NathanP has quit 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or what?[08:21:54] <DraX> it's an aim library that comes with a crappy cli AIM client called bsflite[08:22:03] <DraX> i was writing a caya protocol plugin with it[08:24:30] <DraX> ugh, i guess i can just fork-and-fix[08:26:00] <DraX> in the client he wrote he just uses globals[08:27:29] <OmniMancer> :O[08:28:03] <tanami> oh lol[08:28:41] <DraX> i'll probably do that for now, since i really don't want to make his callback stuff not suck[08:30:05] <DraX> actually[08:30:31] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[08:30:39] <DraX> oh man[08:33:53] *** vegai has joined #haiku[08:38:15] <DraX> yeah not seeing it :/[08:40:18] *** fhein has quit IRC[08:45:37] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[08:51:20] *** Barrett has quit IRC[08:52:43] *** vooshy has quit IRC[09:02:40] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:44:37] *** wildur has joined #haiku[09:44:47] <CIA-50> phoudoin * r35898 /haiku/trunk/ (13 files in 11 dirs): Fixed last places where resolv.conf was still expected under /etc, UserGuide included. Fixed authentication misspelling[10:01:02] *** olivdt has quit IRC[10:08:02] *** olivdt has joined #haiku[10:20:11] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[10:25:43] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[10:32:01] *** xcasex has quit IRC[10:32:18] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[10:46:58] *** judgen has joined #haiku[10:47:09] <judgen> Hi y'all[10:47:23] <judgen> Long time no see =D[10:47:45] <judgen> Im back in R5 land on my seldomly used laptop[10:48:20] <judgen> Does it still work to mount the haiku raw image and just copy everything over to a clean bfs drive?[10:48:25] <judgen> To install it, that is.[10:48:31] <OmniMancer> I wish the media kit were on every OS ever :([10:48:42] <judgen> OmniMancer good point.[10:48:42] *** Malmis has quit IRC[10:49:11] <judgen> OmniMancer upgraded your nick or a different person?[10:49:15] <HeTo> wow, R5[10:49:32] <OmniMancer> huh?[10:49:33] * HeTo wonders if he should connect to BeShare again this month[10:49:49] <judgen> TechnoMancer>Omnimancer ?[10:49:59] <OmniMancer> I am the person I always was to my knowledge, this nick is registered to me on freenode[10:50:13] <OmniMancer> TechnoMancer is already registered here which makes me sad :([10:50:20] <HeTo> you don't see R5 being used very often nowadays I think[10:50:25] <judgen> Did you not use that nick before?[10:50:49] <judgen> HeTo very true, but this computer still runs it, and i must say i dont dislike the experience.[10:50:52] <OmniMancer> don't think so...[10:51:22] <judgen> OmniMancer, ok. Sorriy if any offence was taken.[10:51:27] <OmniMancer> I use it on irc.oftc.net[10:52:04] <judgen> Noone knows if the raw image is still mountable and installable that way?[10:52:21] <OmniMancer> mountable how?[10:52:49] <HeTo> atrus catsup reveals just French[10:52:56] <judgen> mount -t bfs /%filename%.raw /%mountpoint -o loop[10:53:23] <OmniMancer> mounting it probably works[10:53:40] <OmniMancer> installing possibly not since I remember mmadia saying something about mmapped files[10:54:02] <judgen> So it should still work fine then, just as it used to when r5 was still "alive" =P[10:54:07] <HeTo> mmapping doesn't affect anything[10:54:26] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[10:54:27] <HeTo> well, unless you intend to replace R5 with Haiku[10:54:50] <judgen> nope got two partitions[10:55:02] <OmniMancer> HeTo: I think it does unless you delete the files before copying new ones or the contents will change while they are mmapped making it EXPLODE![10:56:19] <HeTo> OmniMancer: hence, you don't install it over R5 but to its own partition[10:56:34] <OmniMancer> or over haiku itself[10:56:44] <judgen> i love this lappy, everything is supported on it in R5. accel 3d, video, wlan, speedstep, you name it.[10:56:46] <OmniMancer> hence why you can't live update a haiku?[10:56:58] <surrounder> judgen: that sounds good :) what kind of laptop ?[10:57:00] <OmniMancer> :O[10:57:15] <HeTo> you aren't running Haiku so it doesn't matter what's originally on the partition[10:57:19] <judgen> not exctremly fast though. only a 2,4ghz p4-m[10:57:21] <OmniMancer> what you aren't telling us is that the CPU runs at 12 MHz and it has 1MB of ram ::[10:57:23] <OmniMancer> :P[10:57:37] <OmniMancer> ah okay[10:57:43] <judgen> 768 ram for obvious reasons =D[10:57:47] <surrounder> judgen: that sounds more then enough for BeOS/Haiku :P[10:57:48] <OmniMancer> so only one actual core two virtual cores?[10:58:10] <OmniMancer> I am actually impressed that haiku runs very well on this laptop[10:58:12] <judgen> OmniMancer nope, its a northwood, not a prescot[10:58:21] <OmniMancer> it even gets the 1280x800 res right :D[10:58:37] <judgen> this lappy runs at 1600x1200 resolution in beos.[10:59:05] <HeTo> that's a good resolution for a laptop[10:59:09] <OmniMancer> is the screen that size?[10:59:19] <judgen> nvidia 440go that works with rudolphs driver, and i can play quake3 in beos at a reasonable framerate.[10:59:32] <OmniMancer> I say we need a laptop that runs at 10000x10000[10:59:39] <HeTo> especially if it's a p4-m laptop so it's supposedly pretty cheap as well[11:00:03] <OmniMancer> or even better at 10^100x10^100 resolution[11:00:04] <judgen> 10kx10k...hmm whats the aspect ratio on that 1:1.... not a good work area.[11:00:20] <OmniMancer> judgen: its square but huge[11:00:27] <OmniMancer> 1:1 is not bad[11:00:31] <OmniMancer> :P[11:00:38] <judgen> Centillionplex X Centillionplex[11:00:50] <judgen> that would be a nice screen.. running at 12" =P[11:00:59] <OmniMancer> its googole x googole or whatever :P[11:01:10] <OmniMancer> more detailed than life[11:01:11] <OmniMancer> :P[11:01:41] <OmniMancer> or if you like your work area 16*10^100x10*10^100[11:01:49] <judgen> gogol is alot less than a centillion[11:01:56] <OmniMancer> :P[11:02:00] <judgen> gogol is just 10^100[11:02:08] <judgen> centillion is 10^600[11:02:13] *** diogen has joined #haiku[11:02:17] <OmniMancer> how about 10^(10^(10^100)!)![11:02:54] <OmniMancer> ofcourse we neglect that according to estimates that many attoms wouldn't exist so the screen would be unmanufacturable :P[11:03:01] <judgen> and a centillionplex is centillion^centillion and also the largest number in the world with a name[11:04:08] <OmniMancer> I hereby name x=10^x the largest number ever[11:04:26] <OmniMancer> now it has a name :D[11:04:28] <judgen> wonder how many tripple A batteries you would need to power that screen for an hour =P[11:04:40] <OmniMancer> x of them[11:04:47] <OmniMancer> where x is defined by the above eqn[11:05:12] <judgen> OmniMancer "x" is allready in it self a undefined variable and thus both the smallest and largest number and everything in between.[11:06:57] <judgen> but according to scientists (*pff* why should we listen to them) by definition a number it cant be a unfixed variable...[11:07:08] <judgen> I say, lets change that!! Mob rules![11:07:34] *** diogen has left #haiku[11:08:55] <judgen> Also, we should change some laws of nature while we are at it...[11:09:03] * judgen Stares angrily at gravity[11:09:49] <HeTo> well, there isn't a real x that would satisfy that equation, so apparently the largest number ever doesn't exist[11:10:03] <HeTo> I don't think there's a complex x for that matter[11:10:28] <HeTo> actually, the conclusion that the largest number ever doesn't exist is correct[11:10:35] <judgen> x can be whatever you like it to be, unless predefined by another variable[11:11:43] <judgen> I like math... and turtles (viral reference)[11:11:57] <HeTo> there it was defined as a number that satisfies the equation x=10^x[11:12:37] <judgen> a flawed equation though, as it cant in itself be calculated.[11:12:54] <OmniMancer> I believe that doing something like that or actually saying assume x is the largest number[11:13:04] <OmniMancer> now add 1[11:13:09] <OmniMancer> this number is bigger[11:13:17] <OmniMancer> so there is no largest number[11:13:36] <judgen> no add y to x and you get an theoretically larger than any other =P[11:13:57] <OmniMancer> judgen: equations are not calculated they are solved[11:14:10] <OmniMancer> also the number you get can still be made larger :P[11:14:25] <judgen> OmniMancer you have to calculate to solve... you can calculate an equation in years and still not solve it.[11:14:33] <OmniMancer> unless you make all numbers floating point numbers of some fixed precision in which case eventually adding 1 will do nothing :P[11:14:53] <OmniMancer> then you get onto the subject of computable functions :P[11:15:55] <judgen> oh well, now i grow tired of the discussion as it has steered too far from the initial point.. so the answer to the point would be, "yes that would be nice"[11:16:48] <OmniMancer> :)[11:17:02] <OmniMancer> now lets start creating an abstract display object :P[11:19:19] <judgen> lets create a display with awsome amount of pixels that does not need any cells or use any electrical power.[11:19:32] <judgen> That would actually be a pretty simple task.[11:19:58] <Bushmills> dark stones and rocks, laid out in a sandy desert?[11:20:01] <judgen> but would not work well withouth good sunlight[11:20:12] <OmniMancer> no[11:20:14] <OmniMancer> an object[11:20:18] <judgen> filtering of sunrays to project is awsome[11:20:20] <OmniMancer> that displays things[11:20:32] <OmniMancer> the meaning of display and things are also abstract[11:21:26] <judgen> While we are at it lets create a version of MacOS that is compatible with all mac hardware and new as well as legacy software. =P[11:21:37] <judgen> Or some other more obscure OS.[11:21:40] <judgen> Oh....[11:21:43] <judgen> =D[11:22:28] <judgen> hehe[11:22:34] <OmniMancer> why not just make an abstract object that does everything abstractly and therefore get away from the problems of concrete implementations[11:23:10] <judgen> OmniMancer abstractly getting your job done, does not pay most peoples bills though.[11:24:55] <judgen> Wow i've been using other OS'es too long now. I had almost forgotten the complete joy of using R5[11:25:52] <OmniMancer> :P[11:26:10] <OmniMancer> judgen: well an abstract object that actually has real effects :P[11:26:22] <OmniMancer> except those effects that would be detrimental :P[11:26:53] *** markos_ has quit IRC[11:27:01] <judgen> I am goint to stop discussing this matter, but an abstract can never "be" anything because then it stops beeing abstract[11:28:18] <judgen> btw i have downloaded the raw image.. but i cant mount the image it seems.[11:28:38] <judgen> "General OS Error"[11:28:57] <judgen> Is the openbfs addon for R5 needed nowdays[11:29:09] <OmniMancer> :/[11:29:20] <OmniMancer> but we must overcome that restriction :P[11:30:22] <judgen> =P[11:30:30] <judgen> Now it works... just had not installed it on R5[11:31:55] <OmniMancer> :P[11:32:21] <judgen> this R5 installation is seemingly cvery basic.[11:32:32] <judgen> brb[11:32:40] * judgen inhales nicotine[11:34:34] <judgen> bk, did anyone celebrate yesterday?[11:37:07] <judgen> ok time to take haiku for a ride =D[11:37:15] *** judgen has quit IRC[11:38:38] *** judgen has joined #haiku[11:38:51] <judgen> nope... didnt boot[11:38:54] <OmniMancer> yay haiku[11:38:54] <judgen> darnit[11:38:59] <OmniMancer> sigh :([11:39:08] <judgen> didnt even start loading[11:39:09] <OmniMancer> possibly better to use dd[11:39:19] <judgen> probably[11:46:08] <OmniMancer> or more get some kind of bootable thing to dd it onto then install from there :P[11:48:35] <judgen> got no such device[11:48:41] <judgen> brb retrying[11:48:45] *** judgen has quit IRC[11:50:53] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[11:51:04] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:51:42] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[11:55:20] *** Kroki has quit IRC[12:06:12] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:06:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:13:22] *** J-Ho has joined #haiku[12:18:35] *** romulo has joined #haiku[12:20:42] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:21:30] <judgen> hmm i cant find my third partition in /dev/disk/scsi*[12:24:48] *** wildur has quit IRC[12:25:27] *** judgen has quit IRC[12:25:50] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[12:25:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[12:29:31] *** judgen has joined #haiku[12:29:42] <judgen> dd:in as we speak =D[12:30:29] <judgen> hope that will work out better[12:33:03] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[12:38:26] <OmniMancer> yay[12:38:31] <OmniMancer> where are you dding to?[12:39:45] <HeTo> judgen: how did you originally make the partition bootable?[12:40:10] <HeTo> if it was made bootable by BeOS, it would try to load the wrong boot loader[12:40:25] <HeTo> the boot loader from a wrong path, rather[12:41:09] <OmniMancer> which would be baaaaaaaad :P[12:45:03] <judgen> HeTo what makebootable should i use then?[12:45:54] <HeTo> judgen: either one built by a Haiku build system, or then you could copy the boot loader temporarily under a different name[12:46:20] <HeTo> IIRC what BeOS expects is beos/system/zbeos whereas Haiku has system/haiku_loader[12:46:48] <judgen> i have only one OS at this moment on this computer Plain Vanilla R5+ drivers without even dev tools or anything..[12:47:12] <judgen> HeTo if i just copy that file there, it should work.. right?[12:47:16] <HeTo> once you have Haiku booted you can then run makebootable under Haiku and remove the temporary boot loader[12:47:24] <HeTo> judgen: yes, at least it used to[12:47:34] <judgen> it doesnt any more?[12:47:44] <HeTo> and it's statically linked so that shouldn't pose problems[12:47:47] <HeTo> I think it should[12:47:55] <judgen> wow this DD takes freakin ages[12:48:29] <HeTo> if you're dding a Haiku image the other option is to just fix the offset with makebootabletiny[12:48:35] <judgen> 4200rpm laptop drive...[12:48:40] <judgen> i think[12:49:14] <HeTo> then you won't need to copy the file[12:50:22] <judgen> i think ill cancel the DD i'd prefer to be done today..[12:55:21] <judgen> Not that i want it, but isnt it theoretically possible to port wine to haiku, as it does not have the same shortcomings that beos had.[12:56:29] <Auronandace> i would like to see a wine port[12:56:33] <judgen> the only usage i would have for it anyways would be spotify i guess.[12:57:42] <OmniMancer> HeTo: makebootable tiny ONLY works on linux[12:58:12] <HeTo> OmniMancer: I have a version that works on BeOS[12:58:22] <OmniMancer> I would like to see something that does the job wine does[12:58:26] <romulo> OmniMancer, basically, whats makebootable tiny does?[12:58:28] <OmniMancer> call it whine or somehting :P[12:58:40] <HeTo> but BeOS makebootable is a better solution with the file copy hack IMO[12:58:47] <OmniMancer> romulo: it looks in a partition for the correct boot offset :P[12:58:56] <OmniMancer> probably[12:59:02] <romulo> hmm[12:59:12] <romulo> basically any program that edit partitions, should do this[12:59:13] <romulo> am i wrong?[12:59:21] <OmniMancer> isn't wine a little too dependent on stuff like X11 and such to be easily ported to haiku?[12:59:24] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:00:17] <OmniMancer> romulo: maybe, but this one needs to just update the partition offset for the haiku partition so the bios knows where the bootloader is or something[13:00:50] <romulo> hmm[13:01:06] <OmniMancer> anyway back to learning VHDL for fun[13:02:53] *** Ola has joined #haiku[13:03:21] *** Ola is now known as Guest30664[13:05:25] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:06:04] <HeTo> romulo: it edits the Haiku partition boot sector[13:06:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:06:43] <HeTo> specifically, it writes the partition offset in the partition itself[13:06:48] <romulo> i see[13:07:30] *** judgen has joined #haiku[13:07:34] <romulo> i noted a stupid thing regarding usb drives. I had a 8gb stick i use to copy files on the work and school. I tried to create a haiku boot partition + ntfs partition on it but it didnt liked the idea[13:07:36] <judgen> ok that woked[13:08:01] <judgen> but i dong get proper network connection though[13:08:04] <judgen> dont.[13:08:21] *** Guest30664 is now known as OlaHughson[13:08:28] <judgen> the network preferences panel shows the correct ip, but the ifconfig does not[13:08:47] <OmniMancer> romulo: the usb haiku image would have to be makebootabled and you would need a bootloader on it if you had multiple partitions on it[13:08:55] <judgen> according to ifconfig i dont have any ip at all.[13:09:00] <OmniMancer> judgen: DHCP?[13:09:09] <judgen> OmniMancer tried both[13:09:17] <OmniMancer> I think haiku has issues with DHCP :([13:09:43] <judgen> ok then i can try setting the correct ip with ifconfig i suppose.[13:11:00] <judgen> its just not the same problem as BeOS had with certain 3com chips?[13:12:08] <judgen> The ec9xx driver claims to manage this cards but in fact the network doesn't work (thats from the readme of the replacement driver for BeOS for 3c920)[13:12:58] *** under has joined #haiku[13:13:32] <under> Hi[13:14:33] <under> I have to install Haiku in my netbook. Now are installed Xubuntu and Windows XP. I've to add Haiku in grub. How to do it?[13:15:34] <OmniMancer> under: effectively the same way windows is added in the menu only with the haiku partition number[13:15:39] <Auronandace> specify the root partition and chainload it[13:16:19] <OmniMancer> if you go look in menu.lst or whatnot it will have an entry for windows, the haiku one looks like that :)[13:16:33] <OmniMancer> also I sleep now, goodnight[13:16:58] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:18:03] *** fat_rat has joined #haiku[13:18:06] <judgen> im reading some forums about the unavailabillity of a working driver for haiku for my nic.. sigh[13:18:41] <Auronandace> ethernet or wireless?[13:19:36] <judgen> ethernet[13:19:58] <Auronandace> oh[13:20:05] <judgen> i have wireless working well and nice in beos r5 though[13:20:23] *** Andrius has quit IRC[13:20:25] <judgen> has all drivers on haikuware been tested with haiku[13:20:47] <judgen> or are there beos only things there too[13:20:59] <judgen> http://www.haikuware.com/directory/view-details/drivers/network/3c920[13:21:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:21:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:21:09] <judgen> that is the one i use in BeOS for ethernet[13:24:34] <judgen> am i correct in the assumption that there is no way binary drivers from BeOS can be used in haiku?[13:24:40] <under> Are 126 of usb driver enough for Haiku?[13:25:56] *** judgen has quit IRC[13:29:52] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r35899 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ports/pc_serial/makefile: Add makefile to build under BeOS, I gave up jamming in ZETA.[13:30:17] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[13:33:19] <under> can I use an SD card to install Haiku?[13:34:34] <largo> supposedly...[13:35:16] <under> Wich is the difference between ISO and RAW?[13:36:17] <Auronandace> iso you burn to a cd[13:36:41] <Auronandace> raw you dd to a usb stick[13:37:54] <under> ok[13:39:22] *** EtherNet has joined #haiku[13:39:39] <fat_rat> Atheros AR9285 Wireless will work under haiku?[13:45:12] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[13:45:50] <fat_rat> which nightly image will handle atheros card out of the box?[13:49:38] <fat_rat> i would like to give this os a try[13:50:16] <Auronandace> could put it through a vm if you want[13:50:47] <Auronandace> if you use virtualbox, make sure you set the network card to an intel[13:51:33] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[13:51:52] <Auronandace> i tend to dd it from linux to a usb then boot into that[13:52:27] <fat_rat> ok i will try vm, but i would like to install it on my laptop as my primary os[13:52:48] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:52:56] <Auronandace> it has it's own installer[13:52:56] <largo> fat_rat: they've supported atheros for at least several weeks.[13:53:11] <largo> fat_rat: the support for my particular chipset is a little shaky, but maybe you'll have better luck.[13:53:29] <Auronandace> but haiku is in alpha so not recommended to use as a primary os[13:54:09] <Auronandace> the developers tend to in order to make it better (taste your own dogfood)[13:54:28] <fat_rat> largo: i'm starting my adventure with haiku[13:55:20] <fat_rat> Auronandace: i just need internet to work, and music. then i can start learn haiku[13:55:38] <surrounder> learning ? :P[13:56:12] <fat_rat> surrounder: get familiar with it ;P[13:56:21] <fat_rat> sorry for my english[13:56:21] <Auronandace> there is wireless support but encryption isn't supported yet[13:56:25] <surrounder> fat_rat: hehe np :)[13:56:32] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[13:57:33] <Auronandace> music should be no problem[13:57:40] <romulo> Haiku got accepted for soc?[13:57:42] <Auronandace> you can get vlc too[13:57:56] <fat_rat> Auronandace: i'm using open wireless networks around me i don't have my own connection[13:58:16] <Auronandace> should work then[13:59:04] <fat_rat> Auronandace: console commands are similar as in linux?[13:59:41] <Auronandace> i assume so, haiku is more posix compliant than beos[14:00:03] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[14:00:42] <fat_rat> Auronandace: so i don't have to download nightly build, to have my wireless work?[14:01:04] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:01:22] <Auronandace> there is no wireless support in the alpha, it is in the nightlies though[14:02:01] <fat_rat> ok thx[14:02:11] <Auronandace> no prob[14:02:29] <fat_rat> i will have to compile vlc right?[14:02:54] <Auronandace> i get it from haiku-files.org[14:03:01] <Auronandace> it's an optional package[14:03:19] <Auronandace> i just unzip it to the right location and it works[14:03:36] <mmadia> installoptionalpackage -a VLC[14:04:52] <fat_rat> mmadia: thanks :][14:06:36] <fat_rat> last one is there a irc client?[14:06:45] <Auronandace> yes[14:06:55] <Auronandace> it's called vision[14:07:28] <fat_rat> Auronandace: ok thx again for everything i will give it a try :][14:07:57] <Auronandace> hope it works out[14:08:58] <fat_rat> Auronandace: i wish it does, i just cant stand m$ anymore[14:09:22] * surrounder pets windows 7[14:11:28] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[14:12:33] <fat_rat> i used to run ubuntu but this distro went wrong way :/ i also tried openbsd but it was to difficult :[ now i will try haiku wish me best ;][14:13:10] <Auronandace> if you wanted to try a bsd i suggest pcbsd[14:13:20] <Auronandace> its based on freebsd[14:13:35] <surrounder> very easy to install indeed[14:13:39] <surrounder> tried it on my laptop the other day[14:13:40] <Auronandace> nice graphical installer on that one[14:13:47] <surrounder> felt somewhat slow though[14:14:51] <fat_rat> Auronandace: i have sound problem in pcbsd, i'm not scared of command line ;] i like to learn new things[14:15:32] <Auronandace> i have a wireless problem with the latest 8.0 release[14:15:43] <Auronandace> worked fine with 7.1.1[14:16:14] <surrounder> I'm hoping ubuntu will bring something nice with 10.04 - 9.10 was truely horrible imho :P[14:16:41] <fat_rat> today they bring beta out ;][14:16:52] <surrounder> oh really? interesting[14:16:54] <fat_rat> best ubu was 8.04 imo[14:16:57] <surrounder> didn't know that[14:17:07] <kitallis> 9.10 was horrible?[14:17:11] <fat_rat> sourrounder: ;P[14:17:15] <surrounder> for me and a lot of people it was[14:17:23] <kitallis> i particularly liked the ayatana thingy[14:18:40] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[14:18:55] <Kokito> good morning folks[14:19:34] <surrounder> hey Kokito[14:19:55] * Kokito wonder why he wakes up so early these days...[14:20:06] <surrounder> spring is in the air? :)[14:20:12] <fat_rat> Auronandace: pcbsd work best for me in v.1.2 :][14:20:24] <surrounder> 17.5 C around here today! (last week there was still snow in the beginning of the week)[14:20:45] <fat_rat> Auronandace: worked ofcourese ;][14:21:53] *** fat_rat has quit IRC[14:22:26] <Kokito> mah, surrounder, I am just getting old :P[14:23:46] <surrounder> hehe[14:27:01] *** judgen has joined #haiku[14:28:41] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[14:30:56] *** aldeck has quit IRC[14:31:32] <romulo> class time o/[14:32:12] *** kitalis has joined #haiku[14:33:00] *** kitallis has quit IRC[14:33:36] *** kitalis is now known as kitallis[14:37:08] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[14:38:41] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[14:39:19] <under> I'm installing Haiku..[14:39:26] <under> But I've not space in HD[14:39:32] <under> I've to reduce Linux[14:39:35] <under> Can I do this?[14:40:01] <_maniac_> resize filesystem, then resize partition[14:40:39] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[14:41:10] <under> Yes. how?[14:43:13] <Auronandace> download partedmagic, burn it to disc, boot from it and launch gparted[14:44:23] <judgen> any linux live cd can resize ext partitions nowdays i think[14:45:09] <under> but haiku can?[14:46:07] <drano> haiku can't[14:50:42] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[14:55:49] <judgen> there is no write support even for ext partitions in haiku afaik.[15:08:29] <judgen> what version of bezilla or similar to be able to use the options dialogue?[15:08:34] <judgen> in r5[15:11:40] <largo> is anyone else having trouble with audio in the latest nightly under virtualbox?[15:12:07] <largo> my audio was playing fine on 35808, but under 35893 it's super skippy. :([15:14:21] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:14:32] *** Negr0o has joined #haiku[15:14:41] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[15:15:30] * largo tries a fresh install...[15:18:11] *** smooki has joined #haiku[15:18:54] <smooki> hey, I'm goind to try haiku on usb stick, what raw image should I take ? ggc4 hybrid or gcc2 hyb please ?[15:19:35] <Auronandace> gcc2hybrid is what the official release is[15:20:19] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[15:20:40] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[15:20:50] <smooki> ok[15:21:03] <smooki> what's the differences ?[15:21:46] <Auronandace> gcc2hybrid is compiled with gcc2 and has gcc4 as extra[15:21:49] <_maniac_> AFAIK, in compiler which builds kernel[15:22:15] <Auronandace> gcc4ybrid is the opposite[15:22:37] *** AlonzoTG has quit IRC[15:22:37] <Auronandace> the others are gcc2 or 4 only[15:22:43] *** marmida has joined #haiku[15:23:07] <smooki> ok[15:23:15] <mmadia> smooki : this can explain in more detail : http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid[15:23:22] <smooki> thanks[15:23:29] * martinhpedersen is away (Disconnected from bouncer...)[15:25:31] *** luroh has joined #haiku[15:27:10] <judgen> anyone got a mirror of the svg pack for BeOS? mr Lotz site 404 me[15:28:13] <judgen> no matter, i found one[15:28:35] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[15:29:24] <largo> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/phreadom/haiku/webpositive-redraw.png[15:29:39] <largo> is that worth filing a bug for for stippi?[15:30:57] <largo> or for that matter, the fact that if the website doesn't have a favicon, it looks like it just keeps using the previous one. ;)[15:31:35] <mmadia> might as well drop a line on their ML.[15:33:23] *** marmida has quit IRC[15:33:59] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[15:36:32] <largo> k[15:36:53] *** AlonzoTG has joined #haiku[15:38:38] <largo> I don't think I'm signed up to that one...[15:38:42] * largo looks it up.[15:40:19] *** dakdagi has joined #haiku[15:40:36] <largo> http://www.freelists.org/list/haiku-webkit[15:40:40] <largo> is that the list I'm looking for? :)[15:40:58] <largo> looks like it...[15:41:01] <largo> I'll just post there.[15:45:02] *** smooki has quit IRC[15:45:14] *** spvensko_ has joined #haiku[15:47:46] *** Bushmills has quit IRC[15:51:01] *** smooki has joined #haiku[15:51:02] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[15:51:13] <smooki> hmmm[15:51:45] <smooki> I've followed this http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/how_to_install_haiku_to_usb_flash_drive_from_windows but it doesn't boot ...[15:52:16] <Auronandace> i've always done it from xubuntu[15:53:29] <smooki> and it works ? what bios do you have ?[15:54:09] <smooki> I try again cu[15:54:09] <largo> smooki: I had trouble getting it to boot.. I ended up using grub to load the USB stick. :)[15:54:11] <Auronandace> i do it on a t60 laptop[15:54:23] *** smooki has quit IRC[15:54:28] <Auronandace> it can boot usb[15:55:15] *** Bushmills has joined #haiku[15:55:41] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/making_haiku_usb_stick[15:55:56] <Auronandace> he's gone[15:57:45] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:00:23] *** impy has quit IRC[16:02:00] *** smooki has joined #haiku[16:02:09] <smooki> well to bad, it doesn't work[16:02:38] <Auronandace> did you dd it to the stick under linux?[16:02:42] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/making_haiku_usb_stick[16:02:58] <smooki> well it will be the same I think[16:03:19] <oZ]> if you're using dd in windows, then yes, it'd be the same.[16:03:21] <smooki> I give it try anyway[16:03:28] <smooki> dd ?[16:03:33] <Auronandace> largo suggested making a grub boot entry[16:03:39] <smooki> I used the tools they suggest on tutorial[16:03:57] <smooki> I don't use linux but in wm[16:04:11] <oZ]> wm?[16:04:16] <smooki> vm[16:04:52] <smooki> under vmware that said[16:05:13] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[16:05:27] *** dakdagi has quit IRC[16:05:44] <smooki> in fact the pc seems to try to boot on usb stick, but nothing "starts", when I remove the stick it boot to HD (windows)[16:06:28] <Auronandace> do you have any other usb sticks[16:06:35] <smooki> nope sadly[16:06:47] <smooki> I'll try this stick on others pc when I can[16:07:13] *** oZ] has quit IRC[16:07:21] <Auronandace> you can always install haiku in a vm if you want (like you done with linux)[16:07:51] <smooki> Auro yeah I do this since a long time[16:08:12] <smooki> but that's not the same ^^[16:08:25] <smooki> maybe I'll buy a eeepc for haiku[16:08:37] <surrounder> good luck[16:08:40] <surrounder> :P[16:08:47] <surrounder> smooki: don't buy a 1001 HA[16:08:54] <smooki> aren't eeepc best hw actually for haiku ?[16:09:19] <surrounder> where did you read that ?[16:10:05] <smooki> http://www.haikuware.com/20080730230/haiku-running-on-asus-eeepc[16:10:41] <Auronandace> 2008?[16:10:46] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[16:10:49] <smooki> well surrounder what netbook should I buy for haiku then ?[16:11:36] <surrounder> smooki: dunno, check the specs of what you want to buy (in details) and see what is supported[16:12:54] <Auronandace> i've never really liked netbooks (screen size), but i can tell you haiku runs pretty well on thinkpads[16:14:08] *** fat_rat has joined #haiku[16:14:51] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[16:15:38] <judgen> is andrea's site down?[16:15:53] <judgen> i need to get my beos>youtube fix =P[16:16:31] <fat_rat> i've downloaded nightly image (haiku-nightly-r35893-x86gcc4hybrid-cd.zip), and run it in live mode, there isn't bezillabrowser[16:16:37] <fat_rat> ?[16:16:55] <_maniac_> 3deyes had haiku running on his eeepc[16:17:09] <Auronandace> installoptionalpackage -l[16:17:34] <fat_rat> Auronandace: run it in terminal?[16:17:40] <Auronandace> yes[16:18:09] <fat_rat> Auronandace: -l stands for the list?[16:18:16] <Auronandace> yeah[16:18:34] <fat_rat> Auronandace: thx :][16:18:41] <Auronandace> np[16:20:22] *** dakdagi has joined #haiku[16:21:11] *** fat_rat has quit IRC[16:22:04] <judgen> How do i add new mime types to BeOS?[16:22:11] <judgen> or haiku for that matter[16:26:26] <judgen> scrap that too, i remembered[16:26:50] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[16:27:07] <judgen> one last thing though, isnt the link to vlc supposed to be placed in /boot/home/firefox/plugins/ ?[16:27:17] <judgen> i cant seem to get it to work[16:33:07] *** smooki has quit IRC[16:33:45] <helf|laptop> morning[16:33:50] <surrounder> hey helf|laptop[16:33:58] *** smooki has joined #haiku[16:34:32] *** TCA has joined #haiku[16:35:30] *** smooki has quit IRC[16:38:58] <judgen> noone?[16:39:58] <Auronandace> shouldn't it be bezilla, not firefox?[16:41:01] *** TCA has quit IRC[16:41:32] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r35900 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/googlefs/ (5 files): Fix various warnings.[16:43:26] <judgen> i use firefox 2.**.18[16:47:40] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[16:54:02] <judgen> mmu_screen you had a BeOS binary of netsurf?[16:54:15] *** stargater has joined #haiku[16:54:22] <judgen> the one on the netsurf site is only for haiku.[16:54:27] <stargater> hi[16:55:18] <largo> stargater: welcome back :)[16:55:29] <stargater> thanks[17:00:02] *** e-jones has quit IRC[17:01:19] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:01:49] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:03:03] *** genki has joined #haiku[17:03:10] <Lelldorin1> hi all[17:04:21] *** TomMan81 has joined #haiku[17:05:21] *** judgen has quit IRC[17:07:59] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35901 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/ (blue_screen.cpp blue_screen.h):[17:07:59] <CIA-50> Added blue_screen_paging_enabled() and blue_screen_set_paging() to get/set[17:07:59] <CIA-50> pagination mode.[17:14:14] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35902 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug.cpp: (log message trimmed)[17:14:14] <CIA-50> * Unconditionally print a stack trace when we entered KDL via panic().[17:14:14] <CIA-50> * Print the initial stack trace safely, i.e. in a setjmp() + fault handler[17:14:14] <CIA-50> environment.[17:14:14] <CIA-50> * Disable pagination while executing the executing the panic() commands. This[17:14:14] <CIA-50> way even when it is not possible to use the keyboard we get the full output.[17:14:15] <CIA-50> * Added "panic_commands" kernel debugger command, to execute the panic()[17:14:46] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35903 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/ (vm.cpp vm_page.cpp):[17:14:46] <CIA-50> The "page" and the "cache" kernel debugger commands set a few temporary[17:14:46] <CIA-50> variables, now.[17:15:43] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35904 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/vm/vm_types.h: Added commands to the page access debugging panic()s.[17:16:20] *** personian has joined #haiku[17:19:09] *** Advant- has joined #haiku[17:20:24] *** Advant has quit IRC[17:20:44] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:21:59] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[17:25:07] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:25:19] *** judgen has joined #haiku[17:25:54] <judgen> Anyone have had any luck in using vlc as plugin on this page? http://www.vdat.com/techsupport/windowstest.asp[17:39:59] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[17:42:00] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[17:45:17] <judgen> gaaah! Why wont vlc register as a plugin when other apps do it![17:46:24] *** TomMan81 has quit IRC[17:49:49] *** genki has quit IRC[17:53:57] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[17:54:29] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[17:54:50] <CIA-50> stippi * r35905 /haiku/trunk/ (16 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)[17:54:50] <CIA-50> Basically, this changeset implements BShape::ArcTo(). In more detail:[17:54:50] <CIA-50> * Added BShape::ArcTo() and BShapeIterator::IterateArcTo(), using a previously[17:54:50] <CIA-50> unused virtual slot. (Added the symbols for binary compatibility for GCC2[17:54:50] <CIA-50> and GCC4.)[17:54:51] <CIA-50> * Added operator=(), operator==() and operator!=() to BShape.[17:54:52] <CIA-50> * Added BShape::BezierTo() version taking three points, which is sometimes[17:54:58] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[17:56:02] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:58:05] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[17:58:24] <judgen> phew, now its registering.... still no video what so ever though[17:58:35] *** under has quit IRC[17:58:46] <judgen> claims i lack a handler for x-mplayer2....[17:58:53] *** TomMan81 has joined #haiku[17:59:04] <judgen> but i have added that mime and assigned it to vlc[17:59:13] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[17:59:36] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[18:00:18] *** J-Ho has left #haiku[18:02:51] *** Kroki has quit IRC[18:02:59] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:04:26] *** sprma has quit IRC[18:06:17] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[18:08:11] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[18:10:20] *** shadowmaster has joined #haiku[18:10:53] <CIA-50> mmadia * r35906 /haiku/trunk/data/bin/installoptionalpackage:[18:10:53] <CIA-50> Implemented support for AddExpanderRuleToHaikuImage. Now P7zip and XZ-Utils can[18:10:53] <CIA-50> be installed properly.[18:11:35] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[18:12:39] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[18:15:49] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:16:44] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35907 /haiku/trunk/ (15 files in 13 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:16:44] <CIA-50> * Changed arch_debug_save_registers() to take an arch-specific structure[18:16:44] <CIA-50> arch_debug_registers instead.[18:16:44] <CIA-50> * Call arch_debug_save_registers() on all CPUs when entering the kernel[18:16:44] <CIA-50> debugger.[18:16:44] <CIA-50> * Added debug_get_debug_registers() to return a specified CPU's saved[18:16:44] <CIA-50> registers.[18:17:22] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[18:17:40] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[18:19:41] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[18:24:17] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[18:24:28] <romulo> back in track[18:26:20] *** Barrett has quit IRC[18:29:41] *** frood has joined #haiku[18:30:07] *** diogen has joined #haiku[18:30:32] <frood> i've just spent the better half of an hour replacing my netbooks wifi with a compatable card. i boot into haiku and it worked! however, now when I boot.. its not listed anymore. any ideas? :([18:30:50] <romulo> yeah, the card is broken :D[18:31:10] <romulo> what you did in the worst half on that hour btw?[18:31:29] <frood> lol well i'm using it now under fedora 12 so its not broken[18:31:41] <romulo> oh[18:31:45] <mmadia> by rebooting, are you doing cold reboots or warm?[18:31:58] <frood> warm[18:32:06] <mmadia> does cold help?[18:32:23] <frood> i can try[18:32:23] <frood> brb[18:32:27] <mmadia> iirc, there was some weird issue with soundcards that go away on cold reboots[18:32:43] *** frood has quit IRC[18:33:56] *** Be has joined #haiku[18:34:12] *** santafe has joined #haiku[18:36:12] *** frood has joined #haiku[18:36:24] <frood> hmm no luck. maybe i'll reinstall.[18:38:01] <judgen> mmadia have you an idea why i get ip and all that in haiku according to the network preferences panel, but still i cant connect.[18:38:17] <mmadia> maybe DNS, judgen?[18:38:29] <mmadia> what's your network card?[18:38:34] <frood> can you ping the gateway?[18:38:34] <DraX> any AIM users?[18:38:45] <judgen> and also when i set it to static, and close the preferences pane and restart it its back to dhcp again[18:39:01] <judgen> mmadia 3com 3c920[18:39:20] <romulo> DraX, i use aim[18:39:22] <mmadia> not sure then.[18:39:29] <judgen> froodi cant ping anything except the ip i got from the dhcp server.[18:39:34] <DraX> romulo: i'm working on an AIM protocol for Caya[18:39:34] <judgen> ie, myself[18:40:14] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[18:40:16] <DraX> i think i'll have it actually working tonight[18:40:31] <judgen> also haiku wont let me turn off speedstep so my computer runs at 1,2ghz even though i have disabled all such features in the bios[18:41:12] <romulo> DraX, awesome[18:41:18] <romulo> im planning a port for centermi[18:41:26] <romulo> centerim*[18:41:28] <DraX> i actually think someone has done that before[18:41:59] <judgen> brb reboot[18:42:04] <romulo> well, i havent heard of it[18:42:06] *** judgen has quit IRC[18:43:46] <DraX> i found a crappy, but highly portable and with no dependencies C library for talking oscar[18:43:52] <DraX> so it's pretty easy[18:46:08] <frood> DraX: that's great news[18:46:19] *** Negr0o has quit IRC[18:46:28] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[18:46:30] <frood> mmadia: i reinstalled haiku and my wifi works again now.[18:47:48] <DraX> yeah it'll lack stuff like typing notifications, and buddy icons[18:47:50] <DraX> at least at first[18:48:10] <frood> is there a multi protocol client available already?[18:48:29] *** Malmis has quit IRC[18:48:29] *** saivert has quit IRC[18:48:50] <DraX> caya is single protocol, but in principle supports mutli-protocol[18:49:12] <mmadia> and imkit, while multiprotocol has suffered some bitrot.[18:49:55] <mmadia> and caya is supposed to be more developer friendly than imkit, making it easier to update & maintain.[18:50:27] <DraX> i've actually got an idea brewing in my head for a server that does some of the cool stuff imkit could do[18:50:33] <DraX> without being im specific[18:51:11] <DraX> people_server or contacts_server or something[18:51:32] <DraX> it allows different communication apps like email, im, twitter, etc to register that a certain people file attribute is their identifier[18:51:37] <DraX> and a set of actions that they can do[18:51:53] <DraX> like Tweet at, Show recent tweets for, IM, Email, etc[18:52:27] <DraX> and then any app that wants to can ask for a list of actions for a given person[18:52:40] <DraX> so your IM client can have a context menu that lets you compose an email to that person for example[18:53:00] <DraX> and it'd also deal with updating presence information on people files from IM[18:53:36] <romulo> anyone knows if haiku got into gsoc?[18:53:48] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[18:53:57] <frood> sounds good. could integrate with the "people" app already on haiku[18:54:09] <DraX> frood: the people app is just an app that writes people files[18:54:33] <mmadia> <socinfo> "next" is March 18th at APPROXIMATELY 19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site.[18:54:39] <mmadia> romulo --^[18:55:34] <romulo> hmm[18:55:41] <DraX> 12pm pst[18:55:53] <DraX> an hour from now[18:56:23] <romulo> im still not sure in what ill send ideas yet[18:56:24] *** saivert has joined #haiku[18:56:38] <romulo> maybe worldforge if it gets accepted, i like the team[18:56:49] <romulo> and i've worked with them before on gsoc 2k8[18:56:59] <romulo> maybe haiku :D[19:04:00] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[19:07:31] <DraX> from what i can tell the biggest awesome thing caya is missing from imkit, assuming that it allows you to initiate most actions by messages, is the managing of people files[19:07:51] *** saimen has joined #haiku[19:08:02] <mmadia> yeah, the purposely went with the vcard format instead.[19:08:05] <DraX> so moving the managing of that into a seperate app that does it in a nice generic way seems a good way to get that feature without making caya unnecessarily complicate[19:08:16] <DraX> d[19:08:33] <DraX> people_server has to handle the reconciliation problems instead[19:08:39] *** frood has quit IRC[19:09:54] *** frood has joined #haiku[19:09:56] <DraX> i think this is better than my initial idea of covering my ears, humming, and ressurecting imkit[19:10:00] <DraX> and more powerful too[19:11:02] <DraX> but first aim[19:11:57] <frood> sounds great. right now i'm stuck with Vision and bitlbee[19:12:33] <oZ]> Haaacks.[19:12:51] <DraX> there needs to be more hacks![19:15:07] *** JoySwe has quit IRC[19:17:43] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[19:21:28] *** frood has quit IRC[19:29:47] *** mmlr_mc is now known as mmlr_away[19:29:59] *** frood has joined #haiku[19:30:13] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[19:30:22] *** spvensko_ has quit IRC[19:30:23] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[19:30:32] <mmadia> Haiku has been accepted into Google Summer of Code 2010 ![19:30:53] * Kokito wonders if someone will develop the Kama Sutra for Haiku[19:31:00] <DraX> mmadia: cool[19:31:42] <oZ]> Woo![19:31:52] <luroh> yay :)[19:32:15] <DraX> they haven't posted the list on the website yet..[19:32:56] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[19:33:10] <mmadia> no, but the congratulatory emails are being sent.[19:35:18] <romulo> awesome[19:35:43] <romulo> i request that ppl start filling me with non-hardware related ideas :D[19:36:32] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2010/ideas[19:37:17] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:37:48] <DraX> you could write people_server so I don't have to do c++ :D[19:38:16] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:39:17] <romulo> i like the server idea[19:39:18] <romulo> =p[19:42:47] <romulo> wish i could do multimonitor[19:42:50] <romulo> but i have no idea where to start[19:42:56] *** PasNox has quit IRC[19:44:46] <romulo> will think about it[19:45:06] <DraX> multimonitor would be very nice[19:45:21] <DraX> but the description definetly sounds like it'd be an uphill battle[19:47:20] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:47:25] <stargater> re[19:48:00] <DraX> yay, xmms2 got into gsoc again this year too :)[19:48:02] *** diogen has left #haiku[19:48:44] <lancel00t> it's a pity jikes stopped being developed because it compiles and works on haiku. I can understand why it stopped being developed tho.[19:49:18] <DraX> jikes the java compiler?[19:49:19] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[19:49:21] <lancel00t> yes[19:49:40] <DraX> openjdk is coming.. i think[19:49:43] <DraX> mvfranz knows more ;)[19:49:45] <lancel00t> yeah i know[19:50:22] <DraX> i think he's working on compiling javac[19:50:47] <DraX> what does harmony use as a compiler?[19:50:55] <lancel00t> I tried compiling the openjdk hotspot last night but g++ and cc1plus encountered some problems[19:51:22] <DraX> were you using gcc4 or gcc2?[19:51:26] <lancel00t> gcc4[19:51:32] <lancel00t> the compiler itself crashed[19:52:19] <DraX> fun[19:52:37] <lancel00t> so right now i am kind of trying to build kaffe[19:52:43] <lancel00t> not a real serious attempt[19:53:14] <frood> Is there a guide to explain to new users the differences between Haiku and windows/linux? the db filesystem, etc? if not, thats something i could do to contribute[19:54:22] <mmadia> www.haiku-os.org/about/faq ?[19:55:13] <lancel00t> Overall from my experiences with alpha1 so far, which I am really not using alpha1 more trunk I would say haiku is remarkably stable for it's status.[19:55:27] <frood> i was thinking more from a usability standpoint[19:55:43] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:56:03] <frood> maybe i'll just add to the wiki[19:58:26] <frood> ah. http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/contents.html[19:59:07] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:59:23] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[20:00:04] *** blurt has joined #haiku[20:00:31] <blurt> Wow, Vision. Holy blast from the past[20:00:58] <kitallis> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010[20:02:37] <blurt> Does the original NetPositive run in Haiku A1?[20:03:48] <frood> do people not use Vision anymore? lol[20:04:14] <blurt> Oh, I'm an old R5 user from years ago, just trying out Haiku in a VM[20:04:25] <blurt> This is freaking great[20:04:36] <frood> awesome[20:04:59] <frood> it sure is. i really regret throwing out my gobe productive box/cd and my beos bible now[20:05:04] * blurt is off to see if his BeBits developer account is still active[20:05:12] <lancel00t> How do I make installoptionalpackage show me all the available packages? Or is that done with a different command[20:05:15] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[20:05:22] <blurt> I have my bible! And my GoBe![20:05:40] <frood> ooo lucky[20:05:57] <frood> i told gobe my situation but they didnt care lol unsurprisingly[20:06:06] <blurt> Heh :([20:06:54] <blurt> I have a sudden urge to wipe Ubuntu off my netbook. Wonder if Haiku would handle a newer Pine Trail chipset[20:07:12] <frood> lol i wouldn't. i have to reinstall often[20:08:09] <lancel00t> i think bootman and the boot loader it installs are a best kept secret[20:10:14] <blurt> Going to have to figure out how to recover my developer ID[20:11:24] <blurt> Pe hasn't changed much[20:11:33] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[20:13:21] <Kokito> list of GSoC 2010 orgs now online: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010[20:13:27] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[20:14:04] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:14:07] <vooshy> another summer of GSOC for haiku :)[20:15:33] <Kokito> weird though, as Haiku does not appear in the list[20:15:43] <DraX> it appears in the second list[20:15:53] <DraX> as a project that has already submitted its project description[20:16:01] <Kokito> ah, I see[20:16:01] <mmadia> :)[20:16:20] *** wildur has joined #haiku[20:16:26] <DraX> because mmadia is an organizing machine[20:16:45] <largo> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2010/haiku[20:16:58] <Be> http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 - Don't I see Haiku?[20:17:16] <DraX> scroll down[20:17:17] <DraX> second list[20:17:21] <Be> ah[20:17:25] <Be> frist list[20:17:51] <largo> "These organizations have been accepted into Google Summer of Code 2010 and have completed their organization profiles. You can learn more about each organization by visiting the links below."[20:17:53] <largo> yep.[20:18:03] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[20:18:08] <largo> the top list haven't completed their org profiles yet.[20:18:13] <Kokito> the list does not format properly in bezillabrowser[20:18:24] <Be> oki doki[20:18:59] <blurt> http://identi.ca/group/haikuos now up to 78 members, only 40% of which are spam bots :( Time to purge the membership again[20:18:59] <Kokito> use Web+ instead :)[20:20:07] *** kitallis has left #haiku[20:20:21] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:22:29] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[20:25:02] *** blurt has quit IRC[20:25:38] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[20:26:13] *** frood has quit IRC[20:27:05] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:28:20] *** prOSy has quit IRC[20:31:20] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[20:38:52] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[20:42:16] *** romulo has quit IRC[20:43:48] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[20:48:40] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[20:53:41] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[20:55:14] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[20:57:39] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[21:00:22] *** santafe has quit IRC[21:04:51] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:06:46] *** santafe has joined #haiku[21:07:08] *** mmlr_away is now known as mmlr_mc[21:10:36] *** impy has joined #haiku[21:19:39] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[21:26:10] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:28:53] *** santafe_ has joined #haiku[21:28:53] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[21:31:45] *** santafe has quit IRC[21:31:46] *** santafe_ is now known as santafe[21:35:48] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[21:40:06] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:40:06] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[21:46:45] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:47:02] *** atomozero has quit IRC[21:58:11] *** TomMan81 has quit IRC[21:58:24] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:00:29] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[22:02:03] <Ingenu> pouet[22:08:53] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[22:11:17] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:11:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmadia[22:11:23] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[22:11:26] *** mmadia changes topic to "Website: http://haiku-os.org | R1/Alpha1 http://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | (Unstable) Nightly Images: http://haiku-files.org | Dev: http://dev.haiku-os.org | IRC logs: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?haiku | Commits: http://dev.haiku-os.org/timeline?changeset=on | Grok: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/ | Guides: http://haiku-os.org/guides | GSoC2010: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2010"[22:12:05] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:13:29] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[22:14:18] *** tgunr has joined #haiku[22:19:18] <helf> hello[22:20:32] <atomozero> hello[22:21:21] <DraX> hello[22:21:29] <kirilla> hello[22:26:55] * atomozero surfing on drawer whit webpositive :D[22:29:10] *** kirilla has quit IRC[22:33:59] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[22:37:21] <DraX> on drawer?[22:37:32] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:38:33] *** Malmis has quit IRC[22:38:34] *** EtherNet has quit IRC[22:38:39] *** H4X0I2 has joined #haiku[22:38:50] *** H4X0I2 has left #haiku[22:39:23] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[22:40:05] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[22:40:58] *** surrounder has quit IRC[22:41:00] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:41:25] *** mmadia has quit IRC[22:45:09] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:45:31] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[22:48:22] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[22:48:31] *** atomozero has quit IRC[22:49:46] *** oZ] has quit IRC[22:50:23] <largo> DraX: I can only assume http://www.osdrawer.net/[22:50:36] <DraX> yes i guess[22:53:34] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[22:54:13] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[22:55:37] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:56:33] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:58:39] *** personian has quit IRC[23:00:59] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[23:05:10] *** Be has quit IRC[23:12:31] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:13:14] *** hdanak has quit IRC[23:13:28] *** bradsco has quit IRC[23:15:01] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[23:15:18] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[23:17:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:18:18] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[23:20:58] *** PulkoMandy_ has joined #haiku[23:21:08] *** tmpsaivert has joined #haiku[23:21:45] *** PulkoMandy_ has quit IRC[23:22:24] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:22:45] <helf> this is just sad - 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