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[00:15:47] <froh> hi i tried to install haiku to the only disk connected to a pc, i created a bootable usb stick, which worked great
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[00:16:35] <froh> but after i created a hd partition and installed to that i cant get it to boot
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[00:16:51] <mmadia> what version didi you install?
[00:16:53] <OmniMancer> what bootloader do you have?
[00:16:58] <froh> i tried makebootable /Haiku1
[00:17:05] <froh> latest raw image
[00:17:26] <mmadia> how does it fail?
[00:17:29] <froh> the partition is sda1 in linux terms
[00:17:50] <froh> the bios fails to see the bot sector it seems
[00:17:57] <froh> boot sector
[00:18:13] <mmadia> did you use Installer or dd to the hd?
[00:18:25] <OmniMancer> um what bootloader do you have?
[00:18:37] <froh> none
[00:18:43] <OmniMancer> there is your trouble
[00:18:57] <OmniMancer> also did you use the intstaller?
[00:19:13] <froh> well does haiku come with a loader  like lilo or grub
[00:19:14] <mmadia> iirc, if he made the partition with DriveSetup, it should've installed a basic bootloader
[00:19:18] <OmniMancer> yes
[00:19:29] <OmniMancer> mmadia: yes but not to MBR?
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[00:19:35] <froh> it looks like that from the instal doc
[00:19:49] <OmniMancer> froh: do you have anything else on the computer?
[00:19:51] <froh> http://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/installation-guide
[00:19:57] <froh> no
[00:20:20] <OmniMancer> okay boot the USB stick open a terminal and type bootman
[00:20:28] <froh> i'm missing a second sata power plug so this is the only disk connected
[00:20:30] <OmniMancer> it will give you an installer window for the haiku bootloader
[00:20:49] <OmniMancer> which will install it to the MBR
[00:21:02] <froh> i thought makebootable did that
[00:21:47] <froh> i'm asking because i want to understand, i'm currently doing a workaround (installing debian so i get grub)
[00:21:52] <mmadia> makebootable preps the partition to be chainloaded.
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[00:22:47] <froh> this really should be in the install doc ;)
[00:23:52] <OmniMancer> no makebootable fixes the boot offset so that the partition is bootable, you still need a bootloader in the MBR to perform the boot when the disk is booted
[00:23:55] <froh> i think the installer failed to make a proper boot sector as the bios was not able to read it
[00:23:58] <OmniMancer> don't install debian, ick :P
[00:24:03] <OmniMancer> no
[00:24:13] <OmniMancer> the installer did everything to the partition you made
[00:24:16] <OmniMancer> NOT THE MBR
[00:24:30] <OmniMancer> the MBR is the bootsector for the whole drive not the partitions
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[00:24:40] <OmniMancer> sorry for shouting
[00:24:44] <froh> OmniMancer, i'm not into OS evangelism :)
[00:25:29] <OmniMancer> its more that if you just wanted haiku installing debian is annoying to use haiku :P
[00:25:39] <OmniMancer> run bootman it will give you a bootmenu
[00:25:43] <froh> OmniMancer, i'm totally aware of how i386 boot works
[00:27:08] <froh> OmniMancer, i just tried bootman in a vm, it says it needs an offset of 2k
[00:27:33] <OmniMancer> ??
[00:28:10] <mmlr_mc> yeah, it's rather limited
[00:28:15] <froh> it needs 2KB free before the first partition
[00:28:24] <mmlr_mc> installing a chainloader is probably the easiest
[00:28:57] <froh> like grub
[00:29:11] <OmniMancer> no
[00:29:19] <mmlr_mc> nope, like in a very simple chainloader
[00:29:20] <OmniMancer> grub needs a whole linux partition to work
[00:29:47] <froh> yes and i have debian only a tftp away
[00:30:28] <mmlr_mc> the easiest is to dd the chainloader to the mbr
[00:30:42] <mmlr_mc> you can do that from haiku
[00:30:54] <froh> or now i'ts done its a pitty the haiku installer is not more mature
[00:30:55] <mmlr_mc> if you have net access I can upload one if you need
[00:31:21] <mmlr_mc> nothing to do with not being mature really, it's intended behaviour
[00:31:29] <l_n> or use a raw disk (if you have one small enough. :P )
[00:31:40] <froh> mmlr_mc, the doc's need some work then, the install dock relies on the assumption you are doing a multi boot setup
[00:32:13] <mmlr_mc> not if you create a fully clean partitioning system using drivesetup
[00:32:26] <mmlr_mc> that will install the chainloader
[00:33:19] <froh> mmlr_mc, i used drivesetup, but maybe i did something wrong, i deleted the only partition it had , probbly windows
[00:33:33] <froh> then added on 16gb and formatted it
[00:33:56] <mmlr_mc> yeah, that only modifies the existing mbr
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[00:34:29] <mmlr_mc> you'd use initialize -> intel partition map after deleting all partitions to create a new one
[00:34:53] <mmlr_mc> that's what you do when you have a completely clean disk
[00:35:08] <mmlr_mc> it'll write a new mbr, including the chainloader
[00:35:20] <OmniMancer> you need to make a whole partition setup in the disk :/ not just add a new part
[00:35:32] <froh> ah, probbably i should have deleted the existing dos disklabel too
[00:35:32] <OmniMancer> yea
[00:35:47] <mmlr_mc> messing with the bootloader is a dangerous thing to do
[00:36:00] <OmniMancer> so its best done on a machine with nothing on it :P
[00:36:11] <mmlr_mc> the current approach is to leave it alone unless explicitly instructed not to
[00:36:21] <mmlr_mc> which is the sane thing to do IMO
[00:37:24] <mmlr_mc> if you write a new mbr explicitly by re-initializing the disk with a fresh intel partition map then it's fine to also write boot code
[00:38:13] <froh> so if i boot haiku, and recreate the whole disk layout i should  be set ?
[00:38:18] <froh> ok ill try
[00:38:18] <OmniMancer> indeed
[00:38:25] <froh> thx
[00:38:39] <mmlr_mc> yeah, you'll need to delete all partitions first for the initialize menu to become available
[00:38:51] <froh> ok
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[00:39:51] <froh> do i have to change something in haiku if i change the disk order later?
[00:40:00] <froh> like in fstab in linux
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[00:40:23] <mmlr_mc> not really
[00:40:37] <mmlr_mc> as in plugging in another disk?
[00:41:10] <froh> yes
[00:41:29] <Kokito> no need to do anything froh
[00:41:52] <OmniMancer> just have a way to boot the haiku still :D
[00:42:14] <alexixor> Hi all
[00:42:27] <Kokito> hello alexixor
[00:42:47] <alexixor> is there a way to select a wifi network from haiku?
[00:43:01] <l_n> wlanconfig
[00:43:11] <froh> ok, this is fun, reminds me of when i tried to get slackware to boot for the first time in -98 :)
[00:43:13] <OmniMancer> but the nightlies don't have wlanconfig I think
[00:43:28] <alexixor> which one has it?
[00:43:41] <OmniMancer> I don't know
[00:43:49] <alexixor> ah :)
[00:43:51] <martinhpedersen> You can download wlanconfig here: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/files
[00:43:52] <martinhpedersen> :)
[00:44:05] <Kokito> hi martinhpedersen :)
[00:44:12] <martinhpedersen> Hi kokito =)
[00:44:59] <alexixor> it says r34791, does this ,ean it only works with this build?
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[00:45:40] <DraX> martinhpedersen: you should take a new screenshot of haikutwitter with an infopopper notification ;)
[00:45:43] <froh> ok did that, then i pressed write boot sector
[00:46:09] <froh> when i coose begin it says pertition is not empty
[00:46:10] <martinhpedersen> alexixor: I have no idea, sorry;p
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[00:46:15] <alexixor> np
[00:46:19] <froh> wrong again?
[00:47:03] <mmlr_mc> you can ignore that warning
[00:47:09] <martinhpedersen> Yeah, DraX... was thinking about that:) Just finished implementing searching btw, hash-tags and general search :)
[00:47:32] <DraX> martinhpedersen: cool! would be nice to be able to get multiple columns, so you can monitor a few hashtags + your normal timeline
[00:47:53] <DraX> might just be ok to be able to open them in new windows
[00:47:57] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, cool!
[00:48:08] <froh> mmlr_mc, yes it was just my users Desktop and /var
[00:48:12] <OmniMancer> it does that because writing the boot sector makes the partition not empty :P you don't have to write the boot sector before installing though it will do it.
[00:48:44] <alexixor> so what is the use of this button ?
[00:48:51] <OmniMancer> don't know
[00:48:54] <martinhpedersen> Yeah, searches opens in the window now... but liked the idea of multiple columns too;D
[00:48:56] <alexixor> te "write Boot Sector" i mean
[00:49:09] <OmniMancer> think it may be a sort of artifact
[00:49:41] <alexixor> it couls be susefull if it install bootman instead
[00:49:45] <alexixor> could
[00:50:05] <OmniMancer> yes that would be good, but then I would put a few layers of warning boxes on it :P
[00:50:09] <mmlr_mc> it's there to do what makebootable does without the need to manually run it from terminal or run an actual install
[00:50:11] <alexixor> hehe
[00:50:45] <alexixor> but installing Haiku makes the partion bootable, no?
[00:50:49] <martinhpedersen> Oh, Kokito: U tweeted about running r75, so I was wondering... the build I released on haikuware was r76, so was it a typo or did only r75 work for you?
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[00:51:06] <OmniMancer> ah
[00:51:22] <OmniMancer> alexixor: its there for if you don't want to isntall just make it bootable
[00:51:43] <mmlr_mc> if you installed with another method, like by creating a normal partition/bfs and copied files over
[00:51:54] <alexixor> ic
[00:52:34] <mmlr_mc> it mostly accomodates for the case where you did that, reboot and notice you forgot to run makebootable
[00:52:49] <mmlr_mc> then, especially when booting from cd, it's handy to have it right there
[00:52:50] <froh> do the installer only copy files?
[00:53:13] <alexixor> i think yes
[00:53:16] <OmniMancer> indeed
[00:53:28] <mmlr_mc> yeah, basically it copies the source volume, extracts the packages and runs makebootable
[00:53:36] <OmniMancer> the installer copies files tagged with a certain attribute I think
[00:54:11] <mmlr_mc> nope, it copies everything except for some well known stuff like /var
[00:54:17] <mmadia> it also creates a few directories too
[00:54:21] <alexixor> I also noticed in the latest builds that some finish script crases?
[00:54:41] <froh> and the special /boot/system -> /boot/common layering is handled by the file system then?
[00:54:48] <alexixor> but it installes correctly
[00:55:10] <OmniMancer> :/
[00:55:12] <mmlr_mc> there's no actual layering going on
[00:55:20] <OmniMancer> froh: system and common are different dirs
[00:55:24] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, probably a typo, but I am not sure, as I have been upgrading :)
[00:55:35] <OmniMancer>  /boot is the volume you booted from
[00:55:37] <mmlr_mc> these paths are just put into the env at the proper positions
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[00:55:58] <OmniMancer> I have to go
[00:56:02] <Kokito> martinhpedersen, I am now running r76 + infopopper
[00:57:02] <martinhpedersen> Ok, so no big issues then... thats good :D
[00:57:19] <froh> mmlr_mc, i read that stuff in common overrides system
[00:57:52] <froh> http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/filesystem-layout.html
[00:58:46] <mmlr_mc> yes it does, but simply by being earlier in the environment
[00:58:55] <mmlr_mc> not by any filesystem magic
[00:59:15] <froh> ahh, by $PATH ok
[00:59:36] <froh> mmlr_mc, but its a microkernel right, so this goes for drivers too?
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[01:00:24] <mmlr_mc> it's not a microkernel, but it goes for drivers still
[01:00:50] <mmlr_mc> but in the same way, the order just is home/config -> common -> system
[01:01:25] <froh> ok
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[01:10:08] <Skipp_OSX> don't say Do it on a button!
[01:10:29] <Skipp_OSX> people misread "Do it" as "Dolt" and so don't click it
[01:11:06] <OmniMancer> ??
[01:11:09] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: had a chance to start on the calendar app? :)
[01:11:18] <Skipp_OSX> I was commenting on the link froh posted
[01:11:38] <Skipp_OSX> DraX, yes in fact I have, I coverted it to use the layout kit
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[01:12:01] <DraX> Skipp_OSX: pictures? :)
[01:12:12] <Skipp_OSX> so now instead of having a grid of BRects I have a Gridlayout of BRects...
[01:12:24] <Skipp_OSX> DraX, trust me, the screenshot would not impress you
[01:12:46] <DraX> make it do cool things, then add pictures :D
[01:12:51] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: I just looks like a window with a grid inside it
[01:13:11] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: well, next I have to get the Day Number to appear in each box which shouldn't be too hard
[01:13:24] <DraX> and then world domination?
[01:13:30] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: Then I have to make it highlight the view when you click on it
[01:13:49] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: once those two things are done I can start making the app actually _do something_
[01:14:09] <DraX> you need day and week views too
[01:14:33] <Skipp_OSX> DraX, yes, this is true... I have planned them
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[01:14:56] <Skipp_OSX> DraX: day and week views will be easy once the month view is done
[01:15:06] <DraX> i replaced the keyboard on my thinkpad t61 last night
[01:15:13] <DraX> so i think i'll actually have a dedicated haiku box soon
[01:15:15] <froh-haiku> mmlr_mc thank you and the others that helped !
[01:15:38] <froh-haiku> now im running a standalone haiku box
[01:16:58] <froh-haiku> is there an app for installing extra software?
[01:17:23] <Skipp_OSX> froh-haiku, not yet
[01:17:54] <Skipp_OSX> froh-haiku, http://haikuware.com/ is your best bet
[01:17:56] <mmlr_mc> installoptionalpackage from terminal
[01:18:03] <Skipp_OSX> or that
[01:18:07] <mmlr_mc> for the standard stuff at least
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[01:29:41] <froh-haiku> how do i get installoptionalpackage?
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[01:40:03] <luroh> froh-haiku: it should be included in the images by default, just run it from a terminal window
[01:40:16] <froh-haiku> which nightly imagedo i need
[01:40:25] <froh-haiku> i have alpha now
[01:40:39] <luroh> ah ok, yeah, then you need a nightly
[01:41:19] <luroh> grab a gcc2 hybrid here: http://haiku-files.org
[01:42:36] <froh-haiku> luroh ok i'll have the image dojour
[01:42:59] <luroh> yep, should work
[01:43:21] <luroh> installoptionalpackage was added after the r1a1 release
[01:44:03] <froh-haiku> do i have to go via usb to install ?
[01:44:12] <froh-haiku> usbstick
[01:44:29] <luroh> are you installing to a partition or a whole disk?
[01:44:39] <froh-haiku> partition
[01:44:48] <froh-haiku> as im working from alpha1
[01:44:54] <luroh> ok, i'd go with the usb stick then
[01:44:58] <OmniMancer> boot from usb
[01:45:01] <OmniMancer> then install :P
[01:45:03] <froh-haiku> oki
[01:46:04] <froh-haiku> the threads and cpu widget is awesome
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[01:54:55] <Skipp_OSX> Alpha2 really is due
[01:55:53] <Skipp_OSX> (not for me, I compile my own version) =)
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[01:56:17] <froh-haiku> both video and sound work ok, intel 810 sound and some newer Nvidia card
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[02:21:50] <martinhpedersen> Wow, it's getting late:o Already 2:35 in the morning here in Norway;p Good night everyone!
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[05:25:35] <CIA-50> mmadia * r653 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added files for intltool.
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[05:52:09] <__goo__> morning everyone :)
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[05:58:36] <linkslice> evnin
[05:58:44] <linkslice> ny C++ devs on tonight?
[06:00:28] <linkslice> trying to compile netatalk reveals configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
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[06:22:54] <__goo__> Hi regarding gsoc 2010, would be better to discuss ideas on the haiku mailing list or haiku-development list?
[06:23:38] <OmniMancer> I think it would be better to hold gsoc during summer
[06:24:10] <__goo__> I'm sorry, dint get you
[06:26:16] <__goo__> OmniMancer, i was talking about where to discuss ideas for gsoc
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[06:32:52] <OmniMancer> I believe that holding gsoc during winter is bad
[06:34:46] <__goo__> :)
[06:37:14] <geist> well, it
[06:37:27] <geist> it's summer somewhere
[06:37:35] <geist> there's like a whole other hemisphere, you know
[06:37:55] <geist> though being that it's actually spring now, it may be fall there
[06:38:11] <OmniMancer> its going to be winter soon here
[06:38:34] <OmniMancer> also its autumn
[06:38:54] <geist> i want 2 houses so i can always be in the winter
[06:39:07] <geist> the crappy weather is going away here, and it's about to get amazingly beautiful for 10 months
[06:39:10] <geist> grumble grumble
[06:39:24] <helf|laptop> LOL
[06:39:31] <helf|laptop> im looking forward to summer
[06:39:37] * helf|laptop is gonna go 4wheelin'
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[06:39:49] <helf|laptop> It's far more fun in warm weather
[06:39:58] <geist> meh. i like rainy weather
[06:39:59] <jmayfield_> it fun in the snow too
[06:40:11] <helf|laptop> true
[06:40:21] <__goo__> Yea, summers in India are really bad though :( goes above 40 C
[06:40:32] <helf|laptop> geist, I love rainy weather. Its actually my favorite weather, but i really wanna go offroading and its more fun in dry, warm weather imo ;)
[06:40:52] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, I bought a truck yesterday. lol
[06:41:02] <jmayfield_> fun
[06:41:06] <helf|laptop> couldnt resist.
[06:41:11] <geist> yeah,i guess i just get used to what i got
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[06:41:19] <geist> SF bay area has some of the best weather on the planet
[06:41:25] <geist> been here for 10 years so you forget
[06:41:30] <geist> variety is nice
[06:41:33] <jmayfield_> geist, absolutely.. love here in north bay
[06:41:35] <jmayfield_> love it
[06:42:01] <geist> yeah, really nice up there
[06:42:15] <geist> south bay is so so, gets hot enough in the summer that it can be a little unpleasant
[06:42:40] <helf|laptop> its fairly rare for it to get colder than 20F here :D
[06:42:46] <jmayfield_> i like that when it gets a little too hot, i can drive, on winding country roads, to the coast
[06:43:03] <helf|laptop> even the summer isnt too bad. usually maxes in the mid 90s. last year we even had fairly low humidity the entire time - 40% or less
[06:43:04] <jmayfield_> 15/20 minutes
[06:43:15] <geist> yeah, i can takemy bike up in the twisties to Alice's Restaurant
[06:43:22] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, http://i.ebayimg.com/02/!BnP7ILQBWk~$%28KGrHqYH-CgEtrM6s27kBLiuKNrmVQ~~_12.JPG :D
[06:43:59] <jmayfield_> sweet.. something that when some dumbass crazy drives almost hits you, you can just let them hit you
[06:44:03] <jmayfield_> driver
[06:44:18] <geist> nice
[06:44:19] <helf|laptop> :)
[06:44:21] <helf|laptop> yeah
[06:44:44] <helf|laptop> ive been wanting a j10 for ages and this one was just 70 miles from me in GA. runs like a dream. 4wd works great in it, too
[06:45:09] <geist> might even get upwards of 8mpg or so
[06:45:12] <helf|laptop> heh
[06:45:22] <helf|laptop> actually, on the hwy it should get around 15-17mpg
[06:45:25] <linkslice> what motor? 360?
[06:45:28] <helf|laptop> but its not for trips, thats for sure
[06:45:32] <helf|laptop> yeah. amc 360
[06:45:33] <helf|laptop> 4spd
[06:45:41] <linkslice> noice
[06:45:45] <linkslice> i got cj7
[06:45:48] <helf|laptop> 84k original miles
[06:45:56] <helf|laptop> its a '79
[06:46:04] <helf|laptop> nice, friend of mine has a cj7
[06:46:35] <helf|laptop> ive gotta replace the floor pans and rocker panels and the cab will be pretty solid at that point. the bed is shot, but ive already located a new one.
[06:46:43] <linkslice> cool, you wheel it?
[06:46:49] <helf|laptop> I will.
[06:46:54] <linkslice> heh right on
[06:46:55] <helf|laptop> I just brought it home this afternoon :)
[06:47:01] <linkslice> congrats!
[06:47:07] <helf|laptop> Thanks.
[06:47:08] <jmayfield_> rednecks!
[06:47:11] <helf|laptop> :D
[06:47:12] <linkslice> I've had my cj for about 2 years, it's my 3 one
[06:47:25] <helf|laptop> linkslice, where are you located? I need trail buddies :d
[06:47:34] <linkslice> I burned the first one up in a fire (twice) and grenaded the rear diff on my second one :-p
[06:47:40] <linkslice> Tacoma WA
[06:47:43] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, the entire time i was driving it home i kept wanting to scream "YEEEHAAW"
[06:47:49] <helf|laptop> lol
[06:47:50] <jmayfield_> heh
[06:47:51] <helf|laptop> oh, im in alabama
[06:47:57] <jmayfield_> 'bama
[06:48:02] <jmayfield_> come on...
[06:48:16] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, while i was getting used to the clutch i kept giving it too much gas starting off at stops and would spin all four tires. its so much fun
[06:48:47] <jmayfield_> i sometimes do that in my car too
[06:49:08] <helf|laptop> linkslice, this one has the original tranny and dana44 frontend but the rear end was destroyed and someone replaced it with a chevy
[06:49:13] <helf|laptop> ill have to fix that problem next year
[06:49:15] <linkslice> ew
[06:49:17] <linkslice> 14 bolt?
[06:49:17] <helf|laptop> yeah
[06:49:31] <linkslice> well, if you gotta have chevy that's the one, but still
[06:49:31] <linkslice> ew
[06:49:36] <helf|laptop> works fine, but im definitely going to get another dana44 for it
[06:49:43] <linkslice> I've got 44 rear, and 30 front
[06:50:02] <linkslice> and ... chrysler auto
[06:50:05] * linkslice hangs head
[06:50:35] <helf|laptop> the transmission is really sloppy. its definitely been used. ill have to get it rebuilt. 1st, 2nd gear are pretty tight but you have to shove your arm WAAAY over for 3rd and then come back for fourth.
[06:50:37] <helf|laptop> lol
[06:51:24] <geist> interesting that 3rd is whacked out
[06:51:38] <helf|laptop> yeah, I have no idea.
[06:51:38] <geist> i'd expect 1st and 2nd to be the screwy one
[06:51:47] <helf|laptop> it all shifts fine, but 3rd is in a weird position
[06:51:49] <linkslice> my tranny works fine it's the chrysler 999, but it's an auto
[06:52:03] <helf|laptop> linkslice, ive only owned one car thats auto :)
[06:52:08] <helf|laptop> my current van.
[06:52:08] <geist> is that shifter on the steering column or 4 on the floor
[06:52:13] <helf|laptop> geist, floor
[06:52:20] <geist> looks like it might be old enough to be a classic shifter
[06:52:22] <helf|laptop> geist, normal H pattern with first top left
[06:52:32] <geist> the blue truck?
[06:52:34] <helf|laptop> yes
[06:52:56] <linkslice> this is the first thing I've owned that's auto, it's actually nice as it double as daily driver to work
[06:53:07] <helf|laptop> linkslice, yeah, for a commuter automatics are nice
[06:53:18] <helf|laptop> shifting in stop/go gets old
[06:53:25] <linkslice> it does 105 mi round-trip daily and can still drag toyotas backwards uphills on the trail (yes I've done it, it's hilarious)
[06:53:32] <helf|laptop> heh
[06:53:40] <geist> yah,i've set in traffic enough on the subaru to wish i didn't have to clutch
[06:53:50] <geist> however, it all makes up for it when you're on the snow
[06:54:01] <linkslice> hrmmm
[06:54:04] <geist> and you can feel everything, you're at one with the car
[06:54:12] <linkslice> now a subaru might not be a bad commuter if I ever get there
[06:54:13] <helf|laptop> 1st and 2nd in this truck are REALLY low. if im rolling at about 10mph or so, i dont bother to come out of 3rd. it doesnt even bog down
[06:54:21] <geist> linkslice: i *love* my wrx
[06:54:27] <linkslice> heh I bet
[06:54:27] <helf|laptop> i drove it home between 3rd and fourth unless ih ad to stop at a light
[06:54:32] <geist> alas, i think they screwed em up a bit in the last few years. 2004 was a great vintage
[06:54:40] <linkslice> oh really?
[06:54:50] <geist> well, i dont like the looks
[06:54:50] <linkslice> I've long looked at those, why '04?
[06:54:56] <geist> the insides are pretty nice now
[06:55:10] <geist> 07-09 or so they apparently softened up the suspension and whatnot
[06:55:13] <helf|laptop> ew
[06:55:30] <geist> and kind of got back on track this year in '10 or so when the mitsubishi evo started eating its lunch
[06:55:30] <helf|laptop> the truck has leafs all round. heh
[06:55:50] <linkslice> leaves are nice offroad though
[06:55:58] <geist> 04 was a nice design. stil had the pretty aggressive scoop on the hood, and the grill is mostly just a big gaping hole. propa
[06:56:03] <helf|laptop> linkslice, yeah
[06:56:13] <helf|laptop> geist, is its scoop functional?
[06:56:17] <helf|laptop> i hate seeing cars with fake scoops
[06:56:22] <jmayfield_> heh
[06:56:23] <geist> yeah, it feeds the intercooler
[06:56:28] <helf|laptop> cool
[06:56:30] <geist> there's a bigass radiator just underneat it
[06:56:34] <helf|laptop> ah :)
[06:56:36] <geist> great for collecting leaves and whatnot too
[06:56:44] <helf|laptop> ha, i imagine
[06:57:01] <jmayfield_> i dont get fake shit on cars
[06:57:06] <geist> though you'd be urprised. it actually doesn't collect as much as you'd think
[06:57:06] <jmayfield_> fake air intakes? wtf?
[06:57:10] <helf|laptop> oh, the owner told me the cat had been cut out.. i took that to mean it had been cut out and a length of exhaust welded in place
[06:57:17] <helf|laptop> nooo.. the exhaust is dumped under the passenger seat
[06:57:21] <geist> i think it's designed to have some turbulence to have stuff popped out
[06:57:33] <helf|laptop> truck is damn loud. ill have to fix that too :p we have enforced noise laws here
[06:57:52] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, you wouldnt believe the fake stuff people put on their cars
[06:57:58] <helf|laptop> you can buy fake *moon roofs*
[06:58:15] <jmayfield_> rad.. so people flying over your will know how cool you are
[06:58:20] <helf|laptop> heh
[06:58:40] <helf|laptop> some amazingly "pimped" out ricers here with stock drive trains
[06:58:42] <helf|laptop> its kinda sad
[06:58:43] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, wtf =)
[06:58:50] <helf|laptop> hi MrSunshine :p
[06:59:07] <MrSunshine> i wanna put a fake exhaust on my vw polo 87 =)
[06:59:10] <MrSunshine> so that it looks BIG =)
[06:59:13] <helf|laptop> ha
[06:59:21] <MrSunshine> and makes it a hell for the car control men to test the co2 :P
[06:59:43] <MrSunshine> im going to cab that car tho, and that wont be a fake cab! =)
[06:59:45] <helf|laptop> we have no testing here :D
[06:59:47] <helf|laptop> which rocks
[06:59:58] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, of co2 or the whole car?
[07:00:02] <helf|laptop> none
[07:00:03] <helf|laptop> period
[07:00:03] <helf|laptop> :D
[07:00:17] <helf|laptop> if it has wheels and drives you can get a title and insurance
[07:00:18] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, thats just stupid
[07:00:27] <helf|laptop> you pay for testing to get set up
[07:00:29] <MrSunshine> more like retarded =)
[07:00:40] <helf|laptop> it costs the state a lot to run that crap
[07:00:41] <MrSunshine> more like stupid retarded =)
[07:00:47] <MrSunshine> so ? :)
[07:00:52] <helf|laptop> and you'd have an uproar from all the rednecks not being able to drive their cars ;)
[07:01:23] <helf|laptop> The money is better spent on more pressing matters than a bit more co2 getting spewed out of some trucks
[07:01:23] <MrSunshine> i wouldnt want to be driving on a hiway and a tire commes rolling towards me from some rust bucket that didnt have his car checked for 20 years on the other side of the road :P
[07:01:28] <linkslice> heh i ripped my muffler clear off on a trail and never got pulled over
[07:01:42] <linkslice> it used to set off cr alarms driving by
[07:01:47] <helf|laptop> heh
[07:01:56] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, that rarely happens :p
[07:01:59] <MrSunshine> its not the co2 that is the problem the co2 is a check they do while they do the other checks on the car
[07:02:01] <MrSunshine> like breaks ...
[07:02:09] <MrSunshine> if the car will just break in the middle or not
[07:02:11] <helf|laptop> and ive seen plenty of beat POS cars in california or texas even with testing in place
[07:02:51] <MrSunshine> helf, well it depends if the breaks are good and the load bearing stuff is good how the other parts of the car looks realy doesnt matter =)
[07:02:53] <helf|laptop> everyone always knows /someone/ in state inspections thatll get a car cleared. :p
[07:02:58] <helf|laptop> heh
[07:03:05] <MrSunshine> everything that has with control has to be good and the load bearing parts
[07:03:19] <helf|laptop> my truck looks like ass but all that is perfect on it
[07:03:38] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, i wouldnt even do that for my best friend, as i wouldnt want them driving with a not ok vihicle
[07:03:43] <MrSunshine> or however its spelled =)
[07:03:55] <helf|laptop> heh
[07:03:58] <helf|laptop> vehicle :)
[07:04:06] <MrSunshine> and like americans drive they would realy need break checks etc on the cards
[07:04:09] <MrSunshine> cars
[07:04:25] <helf|laptop> hey, everyone around the world drives like maniacs ;p
[07:04:44] <linkslice> my cj needs brakes badly
[07:04:53] <helf|laptop> I need to bleed the trucks
[07:04:53] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, are you from the us? :)
[07:04:57] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, yep
[07:05:00] <linkslice> I'm holding off because I already know the rotors are blown
[07:05:01] <MrSunshine> k =)
[07:05:34] <helf|laptop> linkslice, I got kinda lucky. the guy had just replaced both universal joints, did a full tune up, had the alt reworked and the tires have less than 5k miles on them and his wife wanted him to sell the truck. heh
[07:05:41] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, you always complain over what it would cost the state and how much that would increase your taxes but hell, some stuff is realy good to have the government run =) but like the stupid tv license we have they should be shot for
[07:06:01] <MrSunshine> and now i think they got it throught that everyone with a computer and inernet connection has to pay tv-license also :/
[07:06:16] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, yeah, /some/ stuff is good for them to control. but im leary of giving them control over much. they fuck up a lot of stuff :p
[07:06:41] <helf|laptop> I don't mind paying taxes for stuff. but im not too keen on inspections being implemented. ;)
[07:06:43] <MrSunshine> and stuff like government controlled hospitals etc
[07:06:48] <MrSunshine> everyone can get equal care
[07:06:54] <MrSunshine> that IS a good thing
[07:06:59] <helf|laptop> probably
[07:07:23] <helf|laptop> I havent had to go to the hospital since I was an infant, so I don't have much of an oppinion on that since ive no experience with it
[07:07:25] <MrSunshine> but so many americans have it in their head that it isnt and i cant understand why :/
[07:07:47] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, its not so much that its not a good idea, its that the government sucks at running most things
[07:07:48] <helf|laptop> :p
[07:07:58] <MrSunshine> its just stupid that they freakin let people die just cause they dont have insurance ... like wtf? :)
[07:08:01] <jmayfield_> MrSunshine, the cold war propagand was really really effective
[07:08:06] <jmayfield_> cold war era
[07:08:21] <linkslice> because we are familiar with our government and know that in 10 years that money they take will be diverteed to some important foreign intervention of some kind, and that program will be broke too
[07:08:30] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, well dont know about your government all i can see about that is "war war war and war" :P
[07:08:31] <helf|laptop> yeah, exactly. heh
[07:08:37] <helf|laptop> uh huh
[07:08:48] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, where are you from?
[07:08:52] <MrSunshine> sweden
[07:08:55] <helf|laptop> ah, ok.
[07:09:06] <MrSunshine> the land of taxes but hell do we get free sick care :P
[07:09:09] <MrSunshine> or "free"
[07:09:16] <MrSunshine> like $10 for anything
[07:09:18] <linkslice> MrSunshine, here's food for thought, would you trust OUR government to have another trillion to spend?  :-)
[07:09:24] <helf|laptop> having fun with that dns filter?
[07:09:24] <helf|laptop> :p
[07:09:35] <MrSunshine> linkslice, haha true!
[07:09:37] <linkslice> that's an awful lot of missiles
[07:09:49] <MrSunshine> dns filter?
[07:09:49] <helf|laptop> yeah, our debt is already high enough
[07:09:49] <linkslice> that's what they are doing
[07:10:00] <helf|laptop> i don't want them to blow more cash on it without working it down some
[07:10:09] <helf|laptop> our government sucks at money managment
[07:10:21] <MrSunshine> linkslice, i dont get it if they want iraq or whatever just freakin send everything there at once, go like locus over the damn country kill everything that breathes and be done with it
[07:10:24] <jmayfield_> pying taxes and getting health an education is a lot cheaper thn here in the us, where we pay taxes, and with the money we have left over we try to pay off the debt we grew via paying for healthcare and education
[07:11:15] <helf|laptop> heh
[07:11:30] <linkslice> the income they get from social security gets diverted to military engagements and the checks they need to write to pay people their SS gets borrowed from China every month.  Even if you think Obama really has the best intentions Ii'm doubtful) in 10 years someone will find a reason to divert
[07:11:46] <linkslice> I'm for healthcare run at state level, if states for for it, but not fed
[07:11:47] <helf|laptop> obama is just another politician
[07:11:51] <linkslice> no reason feds need that power
[07:11:54] <helf|laptop> the fact anyone thought he'd be any different is amazing to me
[07:12:04] <helf|laptop> linkslice, yeah. i wouldnt mind state run so much
[07:12:14] <helf|laptop> linkslice, the federal government has too much power as it is, imo
[07:12:23] <linkslice> 100% agreed
[07:12:32] <helf|laptop> It wasn't supposed to have as much
[07:12:37] <jmayfield_> someday, americans will realize that they are the bosses of their govt..
[07:12:45] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, good luck with that
[07:12:56] <jmayfield_> and the hating the govt is 100% retarded
[07:12:58] <helf|laptop> it amazes me that people want the government to decide and do everything for them
[07:13:02] <jmayfield_> er, hatign govt as a thing
[07:13:07] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, i guess hes just another war mungering healty american ;P
[07:13:19] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, dont generalize
[07:13:22] <helf|laptop> it fucking pisses me off.
[07:13:23] <AlienSoldier> one day the US gov will be overtrown by a general like it's usually done in africa and many time in south america
[07:13:24] <linkslice> indeed ;-)
[07:13:24] <helf|laptop> :p
[07:13:44] <MrSunshine> i was in alaska for like 3 months ago, and i realy got chocked that they are allowed to have war propaganda in the freakin movies in the cinema!
[07:13:54] <helf|laptop> its a movie
[07:13:58] <MrSunshine> and how stupid people are bringing 4 years old to movies like sherlock holmes etc
[07:14:06] <helf|laptop> that, i agree with, tho
[07:14:06] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, in the commercial in the beginning
[07:14:14] <MrSunshine> reqruitment propaganda
[07:14:14] <helf|laptop> ah, its a commercial :p
[07:14:21] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, from the US government? :)
[07:14:22] <helf|laptop> big whoop. people /can/ think for themselves
[07:14:27] <linkslice> recruitment for army or something?
[07:14:31] <helf|laptop> ye
[07:14:35] <MrSunshine> yeah army freqruitment
[07:14:36] <helf|laptop> they have marines ads and stuff
[07:14:42] <jmayfield_> helf, clearly.. i mean, look at america
[07:14:43] <helf|laptop> and I dont really care. they paid for it
[07:14:53] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, I went to see saw V at a local drive in
[07:14:59] <helf|laptop> there were people there with toddlers
[07:15:03] <helf|laptop> it was amazing
[07:15:09] <jmayfield_> meh
[07:15:11] <jmayfield_> oh well
[07:15:15] <jmayfield_> its fiction
[07:15:16] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, its stupid and they wonder why kids shoot eachother over there? :P
[07:15:24] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, yeah. but c'mon :p
[07:15:26] <MrSunshine> jmayfield, and a toddler is going to understand that?
[07:15:30] <jmayfield_> no
[07:15:31] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, they do that everywhere
[07:15:33] <jmayfield_> so who cres?
[07:15:34] <jmayfield_> cares
[07:15:46] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, you have a screwed view of the USA :p I guess most people have screwed views of other countries.
[07:15:49] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, i havent seen a single toddler nor do we have alot of kids shooting eachother in sweden :P
[07:16:00] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, its too cold for anyone to do anything
[07:16:00] <helf|laptop> :p
[07:16:02] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, thats cause nothing else shows outwards =)
[07:16:05] <jmayfield_> i would be more concerned that adults go see things liek Saw on purpose
[07:16:27] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, it was part of a marathon of movies :p i was actually there for 30 days of night
[07:16:27] <helf|laptop> heh
[07:16:30] <linkslice> saw is disturbing
[07:16:31] <MrSunshine> jmayfield, thing is that a toddler learns what a toddler sees
[07:16:32] <helf|laptop> it was on halloween
[07:16:45] <AlienSoldier> MrSunshine in Sweden they turn porn flick in the basement while the parent watch TV upstair :P
[07:16:51] <helf|laptop> heh
[07:17:05] <jmayfield_> i hve 3 very well adjusted, cretive, happy kids.. they grew up understanding that things on the tv machine tend to be fiction and not worth getting all bothered by
[07:17:09] <MrSunshine> AlienSoldier, look at porn in the basement while the parents watch tv?
[07:17:15] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, I applaud you for that then :)
[07:17:21] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, people cant parent anymore, it seems
[07:17:24] <helf|laptop> they want the state to do it
[07:17:36] <jmayfield_> or they think life to to be sheltered from
[07:17:44] <helf|laptop> or that
[07:17:55] <jmayfield_> as oppsed to being somethign to be learned about so as to safely navigate
[07:18:22] <helf|laptop> I still don't understand the fact that extreme gore is tolerated but show a tit and...
[07:18:23] <MrSunshine> haha what have i done! :P
[07:18:25] <AlienSoldier> well Saw is not bad, pretty much the only subversive maintream movie i saw for a while
[07:18:30] <MrSunshine> will this ever end.. ;P
[07:18:35] <helf|laptop> no
[07:18:35] <helf|laptop> :p
[07:18:42] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, its just weird.
[07:18:44] * MrSunshine should learn to just stfu =)
[07:18:51] <helf|laptop> i only saw saw v and i didnt care much for it
[07:18:52] <MrSunshine> i like the saw movies =)
[07:18:59] * linkslice smacks MrSunshine with a trout
[07:19:04] <MrSunshine> huh ? :)
[07:19:05] <AlienSoldier> helf|laptop it's a lot like the Cube series
[07:19:05] <MrSunshine> why ? :)
[07:19:20] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, foreigners that start conversations based on screwed generalizations generally cause lengthy chats ;p
[07:19:30] <helf|laptop> AlienSoldier, i actually kinda likes cube 1 :p
[07:19:35] <linkslice> it's an age-old irc thing, you never been smacked with trout?
[07:19:36] <helf|laptop> never saw the second movie
[07:19:59] <AlienSoldier> helf|laptop the 3 are actually good, but different
[07:20:05] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, the only things i like about america atm is mythbusters and alaska ... realy loved alaska =)
[07:20:21] <linkslice> alaska is awesome, where did you go?
[07:20:28] <helf|laptop> I'm glad your likes and dislikes on america are so cut and dry :p
[07:20:42] <AlienSoldier> MrSunshine come to Canada, we have even more alaska than alaska itself :)
[07:20:50] <MrSunshine> fairbanks to visit my gf, then we wen to anchorage and then down to seward and lived in a little cabin =)
[07:20:58] <helf|laptop> heh, cool
[07:21:03] <MrSunshine> AlienSoldier, i guess i will some day =)
[07:21:11] <MrSunshine> wilderness and mountains is my melody =)
[07:21:20] <linkslice> cool, I used to live up there I really love it.  If my wife wasn't so against it I'd probably live there still
[07:21:23] <MrSunshine> and a good laptop with haiku on it :P
[07:21:28] <linkslice> you ever watch alone in the wilderness?
[07:21:29] <AlienSoldier> MrSunshine got cabin fever like in mythbuster? :P
[07:21:36] <linkslice> ^^ MrSunshine
[07:21:37] <MrSunshine> AND  i got to shoot the pistol for the first time in my life =)
[07:21:39] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, not every american is a gun toting fat ass that is totally ignorant of the outside world, hates universal health care and is just your stereotypical american tourist. believe it or not :p
[07:21:59] <helf|laptop> cabin fever is a great movie, btw :D reminded me of it
[07:22:02] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, omg .. i have to go reevaluate my life now :(
[07:22:06] <helf|laptop> lol
[07:22:14] <jmayfield_> helf|laptop, of course.. but to be fair.. a fuckload are
[07:22:28] <MrSunshine> helf|laptop, zack the father in the family we lived at was a gun raving maniac but he wasnt fat :)
[07:22:29] <helf|laptop> MrSunshine, Im guessing every swede doesnt love meatballs and tlak in a sing song accent? :D
[07:22:31] <MrSunshine> and was realy nice =)
[07:22:36] <helf|laptop> heh
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[07:22:41] <helf|laptop> jmayfield, yeah, ill giveyou that :p
[07:22:47] <MrSunshine> but we jammed his gun or something :P
[07:22:51] <AlienSoldier> The fun will only really start when Jeb Bush become president
[07:22:58] <MrSunshine> it would fire when no bullets was in it but not when there was bullets in it
[07:23:00] <linkslice> MrSunshine go look up alone in the wilderness, it's about a guy who moved up to alaska and build his own homestead and recorded it all on 8mm
[07:23:17] <MrSunshine> linkslice, oh =)
[07:23:38] <linkslice> lived there for a couple of decades and kept a video diary of everything
[07:23:45] <linkslice> it's really cool
[07:23:45] <MrSunshine> problem with alaska was that it was damn cold =)
[07:23:53] <linkslice> probbly find parts of it on youtube
[07:24:28] <helf|laptop> my dad used to live in fairbanks
[07:24:39] <helf|laptop> He loved it up there
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[07:25:53] <helf|laptop> oh jeez, its 1:30. Night. I gotta go to work early
[07:25:56] <AlienSoldier> i think alaska and BC will be bough by chineese in 30 year
[07:26:51] <linkslice> they'd probably be better off securing tibet for themselves first  ;)
[07:26:53] <MrSunshine> fairbanks was nice and all but a bit flat =)
[07:27:13] <MrSunshine> down towards turnagain pass, anchorage, turnagain arm etc ..... my god =)
[07:27:25] <MrSunshine> and seward was also amazing, mountains all around =)
[07:27:34] <linkslice> yeah I used to live abot 1 hr north of anchorage
[07:27:54] <linkslice> get to glacier park?
[07:28:04] <MrSunshine> hmm, what is that? :)
[07:28:19] <AlienSoldier> a gay bar?
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[07:28:28] <MrSunshine> haha :P
[07:28:53] <linkslice> er glacier bay rather
[07:28:58] <linkslice> heh
[07:29:06] <AlienSoldier> damn, so close
[07:29:38] <MrSunshine> no dont think so =)
[07:29:49] <MrSunshine> we were up on the top of alyeska tho =)
[07:29:58] <MrSunshine> now that was breathtaking =)
[07:30:01] <linkslice> ask your gf why she didn't take you there, it's awe inspiring to watch
[07:30:18] <linkslice> you can literally watch the glacier sliding into a lake and peices falling off.
[07:30:25] <linkslice> then the iceburgs floating around
[07:30:45] <linkslice> sounds like you were near it
[07:30:46] <MrSunshine> linkslice, maybe she didnt know about it either as shes from here and just went to uaf
[07:31:18] <linkslice> ahhh, maybe, thought she was from there
[07:31:35] <MrSunshine> nop =)
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[07:32:25] <linkslice> well then that explains that
[07:32:44] <linkslice> next time, grab a map and ask a gas station ttentand to point out where it is
[07:32:56] <linkslice> it's a _must_see_ in AK
[07:33:53] <linkslice> you notice while in anchorage the height of the buildings?
[07:34:14] <linkslice> sometimes bigger buildings on one side and not the other?
[07:34:15] <MrSunshine> not realy
[07:34:38] <linkslice> ah, '63 earthquake made some strange building regulations there
[07:34:53] <MrSunshine> yeah i figured it was something to do with that =)
[07:35:01] <linkslice> in certain areas nothing over 3 stories
[07:35:03] <MrSunshine> when you start asking about it =)
[07:35:21] <MrSunshine> now its time for a coffee and a smoke ... bbl
[07:35:29] <linkslice> smoke one for me
[07:40:38] <MrSunshine> no its the morning smoke and i dont like them :P
[07:41:05] <MrSunshine> maybe time to boot up haiku and continue work on BString in D :/
[07:42:39] <linkslice> MrSunshine you a programmer?
[07:42:45] <MrSunshine> aye =)
[07:42:49] <MrSunshine> or hobbyist
[07:42:59] <MrSunshine> binding HaikuAPI to C and then to D atm =)
[07:43:12] <MrSunshine> hoping C bindings will enable more languages while D is my prefered programming language =)
[07:43:15] <linkslice> I've never done anything with C++, only years ago used to write gci's in C
[07:43:18] <linkslice> IOW i'm really bad
[07:43:29] <linkslice> but I'm trying to port netatalk to haiku and hitting a hangup
[07:43:53] <linkslice> I want to be able to use haiku as a timemachine backup :-)
[07:43:58] <MrSunshine> haha a hangup in "neta"talk :P
[07:44:08] <linkslice> boooo hisss
[07:44:10] <linkslice> ;)
[07:44:19] <linkslice> maybe you have an idea what this error means
[07:44:32] <linkslice> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:44:39] <MrSunshine> wtf
[07:44:44] <MrSunshine> never seen it :)
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[07:45:02] <linkslice> i've edited the config.guess to add a defintion for haiku and I'm trying to run ./configure
[07:45:06] <linkslice> and hitting that
[07:45:10] <MrSunshine> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/configure-error-c-preprocessor-libcpp-fails-sanity-check-124961/
[07:45:19] <linkslice> I've even switched to gcc4 and no change
[07:45:31] <MrSunshine> i think there is updated config.guess etc somewhere in the common folder
[07:45:37] <MrSunshine> that is for haiku
[07:45:44] <MrSunshine> then re autoconf etc
[07:45:55] <linkslice> oh cool
[07:45:59] <linkslice> i'll look there for that
[07:46:30] <MrSunshine> but dunno what autoconf etc version they are from
[07:46:39] <MrSunshine> if the netatalk scripts are realy old it might not work =)
[07:47:12] <linkslice> nope brand new
[07:47:20] <linkslice> 2.1 just hit beta like 2 weeks ago
[07:47:42] <linkslice> and they've got really old beos defs already in the config.guess  :-/
[07:47:57] <MrSunshine> and updated to the right name of the host?
[07:48:02] <linkslice> maybe I should compile on centos and see what it looks like there
[07:48:07] <MrSunshine> so that it looks for the right compiler =)
[07:48:17] <MrSunshine> i586-pc-haiku something i think it is
[07:48:28] <linkslice> yeah, configure finds g++ and tests for g++ -g and all of that
[07:48:35] <MrSunshine> oki =)
[07:48:35] <linkslice> fails on that /lib/cpp
[07:48:46] <MrSunshine> well i HATE gcc and everything it is
[07:48:47] <MrSunshine> :)
[07:48:51] <linkslice> lol me too
[07:49:04] <linkslice> and it doesn't help that I"m really truely terrible with c/c++
[07:49:08] <linkslice> I'm only worse in java
[07:49:09] <MrSunshine> and specialy those damn autoconf shitholes
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[07:49:56] <MrSunshine> cmake ftw =)
[07:50:00] <MrSunshine> simple yet powerful =)
[07:51:30] <linkslice> I wonder if this is what's it's looking for: /boot/develop/abi/x86/gcc2/tools/gcc-2.95.3-haiku-090629/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-haiku/2.95.3-haiku-090629/cpp0
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[07:52:55] <linkslice> hey largo, how goes it?
[07:53:05] <largo> fine :) just woke up
[07:53:16] <linkslice> orly? what's your offset?
[07:53:22] <largo> checking the news etc.
[07:53:29] <largo> EST
[07:53:37] <linkslice> you're up early
[07:53:40] <largo> 3am here
[07:53:42] <largo> yeah.
[07:53:58] <largo> went to lay down for a nap at 4pm... woke up at 2am ;)
[07:54:27] <MrSunshine> nice =)
[07:54:36] <linkslice> haha right on
[07:54:43] <MrSunshine> finaly someone who knows how to take a nap ;P
[07:56:16] <linkslice> MrSunshine so I looked on a centos machine and there's actually a file called /lib/cpp
[07:56:26] <MrSunshine> heh
[07:56:39] <linkslice> you don't happen to know haiku equivalent do you?
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[07:57:03] <MrSunshine> nop
[07:57:05] <MrSunshine> never seen that error
[07:57:57] <MrSunshine> search the disk for cpp ? :)
[07:58:06] <MrSunshine> and see if there is one, as its gcc there should be one somewhere
[08:13:30] <linkslice> alright I'll give up for the night
[08:13:45] <linkslice> gotta go to bed now
[08:13:47] <linkslice> nn guys
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[08:19:18] <Begasus> moin
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[09:15:44] <MrSunshine> lol im almost upp to 50kb added together source files just for the damn BString class =)
[09:22:33] <MrSunshine> yeeey soon done with BString! =)
[09:22:45] <MrSunshine> only like 40 functions left + implementing the damn operators
[09:28:58] <Begasus> go for it! ;)
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[09:45:53] <MrSunshine> i realy hope all these bindings work, else i go shoot myself :P
[09:46:05] <MrSunshine> and i wont see it until i can start making bigger and complexer programs =)
[09:46:15] <MrSunshine> as they all work individually atleast =)
[09:48:25] <OmniMancer> more complex not complexer
[09:48:34] <MrSunshine> oki =)
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[10:00:01] <Bushmills> OmniMancer: missing a comma
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[10:25:50] <MrSunshine> IM DONE! =) except for the operators
[10:25:54] <MrSunshine> but hell, i did it .. finaly :P
[10:25:57] <MrSunshine> 2 days work :P
[10:28:27] <MrSunshine> hmm, seems like my marvell_yukon driver if its not in use will bork out after a while ... :P
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[11:04:04] <CIA-50> stippi * r35886 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keyboard/KeyboardWindow.cpp:
[11:04:04] <CIA-50> r34118 broke setting the repeat delay in the Keyboard preflet.
[11:04:04] <CIA-50> Thanks to diver for tracking it down! Fixes #5281.
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[12:22:27] <CIA-50> stippi * r320 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/graphics/haiku/GraphicsContextHaiku.cpp:
[12:22:27] <CIA-50> Make the arc routine, which is currently optimized for drawing round corners
[12:22:27] <CIA-50> of box elements correctly without supporting clipping paths, work better with
[12:22:27] <CIA-50> various stroke widths. Testpage:
[12:22:27] <CIA-50> <http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/css3/bordersbackgrounds/border-radius-different-width-001.htm>
[12:33:04] <saivert> Firefox 3.6 fails that test
[12:33:17] <saivert> new IE9 platform preview handles it fine
[12:33:46] <OmniMancer> so fix firefox and be done with it :P
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[13:06:38] <CIA-50> stippi * r35887 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TabView.cpp:
[13:06:38] <CIA-50> The layout on the BTabView already knows the correct necessary size, because
[13:06:38] <CIA-50> the insets for the border and tab height have already been applied. The old
[13:06:38] <CIA-50> implementation for the BSize methods did not take border width into account.
[13:06:38] <CIA-50> It fixes tabviews being layouted too small.
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[13:11:49] <CIA-50> stippi * r35888 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TabView.cpp:
[13:11:49] <CIA-50> Just realized that BTabViews don't have a BLayout set when not layouted. But
[13:11:49] <CIA-50> just in case someone calls the BSize methods on such a tab view, provide a fall
[13:11:49] <CIA-50> back implementation. This one should now also report the correct size, only
[13:11:49] <CIA-50> less efficient.
[13:16:06] <CIA-50> jackburton * r35889 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/platform/bios_ia32/acpi.cpp: Squashed todo: only compute the numEntries once, and made it static.
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[13:28:23] <CIA-50> stippi * r35890 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/SplitView.cpp:
[13:28:23] <CIA-50> * Style cleanup.
[13:28:23] <CIA-50> * Use the new cursors.
[13:35:55] <CIA-50> stippi * r35891 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (Cursors.h PoseView.cpp TitleView.cpp): Use the new cursors.
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[13:38:50] <tanami> LUNCH MEETING SUCCESS
[13:38:53] <tanami> thundercats are go
[13:39:10] <tanami> haiku is working with my wifi/eth :D
[13:39:23] <Auronandace> well done
[13:39:28] <Auronandace> what chipset?
[13:40:09] <saivert> encryption too?
[13:40:18] <saivert> WPA2 preferrably
[13:40:27] <tanami> atheros813x
[13:40:29] <CIA-50> stippi * r35892 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ColumnListView.cpp: Use the new cursors.
[13:40:33] <tanami> I can try testing wpa2 in a moment
[13:41:04] <tanami> I noticed that the nightly build I was using didn't like me already having a haiku partition
[13:41:43] <Auronandace> i think one of the devs got wep working, but i don't think thats been included in the nightlies yet
[13:43:18] <OmniMancer> WPA not yet I believe
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[14:18:06] <MrSunshine> hmm, i wonder if i should expose the driver api to D also :P
[14:18:18] <MrSunshine> maybe can get some drivers into there from independant people =)
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[14:19:59] <MrSunshine> need to work more on the tango port also, make it not crash at exit for one :/
[14:20:07] <MrSunshine> but everything works up until exit so ;P
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[14:37:50] <markos_> MrSunshine: curious, how does D perform against C/C++?
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[15:42:32] <kitallis> yo :)
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[15:51:42] <HaikuBot> hiho
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[15:59:15] <MrSunshine> markos_, quite good =)
[15:59:30] <MrSunshine> some stuff is less then c++, some is faster i think etc =)
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[16:00:54] <MrSunshine> but compiler dependant etc like with everything else =)
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[16:36:00] <CIA-50> stippi * r35893 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ColumnListView.cpp: Removed left-over, thanks Axel!
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[17:11:38] <lancel00t> Hello everyone
[17:11:45] <Auronandace> hi
[17:13:42] <lancel00t> I see that after extracting the latest Qemu to /boot you get a /home/config/addons/kernel/bin/kqemu file. How do you load the kqemu module, just by using the -kernel-kqemu switch or is there some other method?
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[17:19:19] <frood> hey all
[17:19:58] <TomMan81> I am planning on getting a netbook in the near future but I want one that can run Haiku perfectly. Which one would you recommend?
[17:20:11] <mmadia> not GMA500.
[17:21:02] <TomMan81> yeah, my friend has one and getting the drivers to work in linux were are real pain
[17:21:40] <frood> not the msi wind either
[17:22:29] <frood> although i think if i swap out the wifi card with the dell wifi one i have i may be in luck
[17:22:30] <Auronandace> i've never liked the screen size on netbooks, way too small for me
[17:23:02] <TomMan81> ok, i was looking at the Asus EeePC 1005P (http://uk.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=zNIiqr35mY7CBZCp)
[17:23:06] <frood> true. though haiku is one of the few os's that look natural on that size resolution
[17:23:34] <TomMan81> Auronandace, The screen size is small, but it's very useful for travelling around lightly, because laptops can be quite heavy
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[17:24:44] * frood uses his netbook as a main pc
[17:25:27] <surrounder> same here
[17:25:53] <Auronandace> my main pc is my t60
[17:26:14] <TomMan81> It would seem that the EeePC 1005P runs linux fine, so it probably isn't a GMA500
[17:26:44] <frood> its the wifi you need to watch out for
[17:26:55] <frood> other than that netbooks tend to have pretty similar specs
[17:27:31] <HeTo> what's wrong with GMA500?
[17:27:49] <surrounder> drivers are horrible outside of windows
[17:27:51] <TomMan81> yeah
[17:28:07] <HeTo> oh, it's the new one, developed outside Intel
[17:28:22] <TomMan81> and it's not a very good card (perfomance wise)
[17:29:13] <surrounder> TomMan81: I have to admit I have some issues with the NIC of my 1001 HA under linux
[17:29:19] <frood> i got my haiku mug delivered today. happy days
[17:29:22] <surrounder> TomMan81: dunno about the 1005P
[17:29:27] <TomMan81> hmm, ok
[17:30:17] <surrounder> everything else just works great, suspend/hibernate/webcam/sound/multitouch touchpad
[17:30:20] <surrounder> :)
[17:30:23] <TomMan81> ok
[17:31:31] <frood> my advent 4213 works great under linux too. the integrated 3G too
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[17:33:02] <TomMan81> ok
[17:33:33] <surrounder> frood: that's quite sweet actually :)
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[17:34:23] <frood> yeah it's cool. I did have to install some wifi drivers that are considered dodgy so not included in the main release. but i've never had a problem with them
[17:34:56] <TomMan81> hmm, ok
[17:35:03] <surrounder> no attansic/realtek 8132 NIC I suppose frood ?
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[17:38:40] <frood> thats the one lol
[17:39:20] <surrounder> wuha, I have so much issues with it on linux
[17:39:22] <surrounder> interesting
[17:39:25] <surrounder> what kernel are you running ?
[17:39:43] <surrounder> frood: never lost it after a suspend/hibernate ?
[17:40:15] <frood> you can swap it out if you're having troubles. just takes a screwdriver and a lot of patience
[17:40:43] <surrounder> haha
[17:40:51] <surrounder> nah, works fine under win 7 :P
[17:41:55] <frood> yeah I have had that problem. not often though. i guess i've just got into the habit of pressing Fn-F3 a couple of times to  disable and reenable the card
[17:42:43] <frood> lol yeah windows 7 is good. i actually bought it :$
[17:42:50] <surrounder> hehe
[17:42:57] <surrounder> my boss had some licences left so I took one :P
[17:43:03] <surrounder> it's indeed really nice to use
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[17:43:22] <kieselsteini> hi there
[17:43:31] <frood> it should be.
[17:43:33] <frood> it was my idea.
[17:43:56] <surrounder> hmm?
[17:45:02] <frood> what do you think the chances are of us getting realtek 8132 drivers for haiku
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[17:45:31] <surrounder> think that should be already possible...at least I read it should be working on some nightlies after alpha
[17:45:50] <surrounder> freebsd 8 got support for it and apparantly haiku should get along with it too
[17:46:09] <surrounder> didn't try it out yet though cause the last few nightlies I tried froze
[17:46:21] <frood> im running last nights nightly atm but nothing yet
[17:46:30] <surrounder> hmmm too bad
[17:46:38] <frood> good to know it's coming
[17:47:14] <frood> i can't get webpositive to work either
[17:47:18] <surrounder> can't wait to use haiku on this box
[17:50:53] <frood> unless i'm supposed to download some kind of wifi app am i?
[17:51:33] <surrounder> no idea really, haven't been able to toy around with webpositive :(
[17:51:49] <frood> i mean the wifi
[17:52:10] <mmadia> what's your chipset , frood?
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[17:53:25] <frood> realtek 8132
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[17:54:24] <surrounder> that's the nic...
[17:59:03] <frood> its a realtek 8187SE
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[17:59:50] <mmadia> pretty sure that isn't supported as wifi.
[18:03:08] <frood> how about the broadcom BCM4311KFBG?
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[18:03:32] <Kokito> hello folks
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[18:04:15] <mmadia> yes, the broadcom43xx is supported.  you'll need an active internet connnectino inside Haiku and run `install-wifi-firmwares.sh`
[18:04:35] <frood> awesome. ill get out my screwdriver then
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[18:07:33] <Guest2501> hello everyone
[18:07:44] <Kokito> hi Guest2501
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[18:08:16] <FabTheZen> ok that's better :)
[18:08:20] <kieselsteini> hi FabTheZen
[18:08:42] <FabTheZen> can i ask something about haiku on this server?
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[18:09:08] <Kokito> FabTheZen, you can always ask
[18:09:14] <FabTheZen> ok then, thanks
[18:09:53] <FabTheZen> my question is about the alpha ISO I downloaded from one of the official mirrors
[18:09:53] <Kokito> as long as it is about Haiku the operating system, and not haiku poetry :)
[18:10:00] <FabTheZen> :D
[18:10:01] <FabTheZen> of course
[18:10:31] <FabTheZen> the problem is I can't manage to make the disk work...
[18:10:58] <lancel00t> Is you disk controller set to AHCI mode by any chance?
[18:11:23] <Kokito> FabTheZen, please define "can't manage to make it work"
[18:11:23] <FabTheZen> no way, I checked it already
[18:12:14] <FabTheZen> I mean after I burned the disc it is not read by windows
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[18:12:50] <FabTheZen> and I cant make the boot from the disc, even though I have already made the boot from CDs
[18:12:55] <FabTheZen> (I am using Linux)
[18:13:13] <Kokito> what happens you you try to boot from the cd?
[18:13:21] <FabTheZen> it does nothing...
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[18:13:51] <Kokito> your computer skips the CD and boots from HDD?
[18:13:55] <FabTheZen> right
[18:14:09] <Kokito> and this is the alpha1 CD?
[18:14:10] <FabTheZen> is this supposed to be normal?
[18:14:18] <FabTheZen> of course, downloaded yesterday
[18:14:27] <FabTheZen> and I have already spent 2 CDs
[18:14:35] <Kokito> no, it's not normal :)
[18:14:49] <FabTheZen> oh, and looking from the downside the disc appears untouched....
[18:15:02] <FabTheZen> I use imgburn from windows to burn ISOs
[18:15:03] <Kokito> untouched?
[18:15:34] <FabTheZen> like if the laser had written nothing on the cd
[18:15:52] <lancel00t> Well ya know they say it's best to burn at 8x, but thats just an old wives tale these days.
[18:16:10] <FabTheZen> :)
[18:16:17] <Kokito> well, Haiku does not have a feature to boot from blank CDs, yet :)
[18:16:19] <FabTheZen> I burnt right at 8x
[18:16:24] <FabTheZen> :) :) :)
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[18:17:09] <FabTheZen> no hints at all?
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[18:17:12] <idefix_xifedi> FabTheZen: if you try to burn the iso again on the same cdr, does imgburn complain that the cd has already been written?
[18:17:22] <lancel00t> I recently checked my syslog file and it claims kqemu is "added" but nowhere do I see "kqemu was loaded"
[18:17:23] <Kokito> FabTheZen, here are some pointers that may help you to burn the Haiku iumage to CD > http://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/burn-cd
[18:17:38] <FabTheZen> ok thanks
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[18:17:48] <FabTheZen> however imgburn returns that exact error
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[18:18:26] <FabTheZen> oh that page, kokito I have already read it
[18:18:35] <lancel00t> thats even when I execute a VM using the -kernel-kqemu switch
[18:18:37] <Kokito> FabTheZen, if you have Ubuntu, just righ-click on the ISO image and select Burn to disc...
[18:18:48] <FabTheZen> hummm
[18:18:54] <FabTheZen> cool
[18:19:24] <FabTheZen> so you are saying that if with windows won't work it would with ubuntu? that would be great
[18:19:34] <Kokito> that's how I always do it, and it works like a charm
[18:19:34] <FabTheZen> i should give it a try
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[18:19:41] <FabTheZen> ook then
[18:20:18] <Kokito> FabTheZen, I have no experience with burning CDs in Windows, so can't really tell one way or another
[18:20:26] <FabTheZen> okay
[18:20:46] <FabTheZen> wow have you started with linux?
[18:20:50] <idefix_xifedi> did you check if the iso was downloaded correctly, with md5sum?
[18:20:56] <FabTheZen> oh
[18:21:01] <FabTheZen> no
[18:21:08] <FabTheZen> should try rite now
[18:21:12] <FabTheZen> lemme do it
[18:22:06] <idefix_xifedi> it should be: a06f8381dd41e2b0bc96833e46dd01e5  haiku-r1alpha1-iso.zip
[18:22:06] <frood> i've had more luck making the bootable usb stick
[18:22:27] <FabTheZen> oh, don't say it to me
[18:22:41] <FabTheZen> in no way I could manage to make the usb stick to work
[18:22:48] <FabTheZen> NO WAY... sry for shouting
[18:22:59] <frood> lol ok
[18:23:18] <FabTheZen> it gives me error 5 access denied..........
[18:23:34] <FabTheZen> however my md5 is completely wrong
[18:23:39] <FabTheZen> how could this be?!?
[18:23:47] <FabTheZen> wow
[18:23:53] <idefix_xifedi> you md5summed the zip, right?
[18:23:58] <FabTheZen> oh no :\
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[18:24:07] <FabTheZen> the bare iso
[18:24:09] <FabTheZen> stooped
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[18:25:12] <FabTheZen> ok, checksum is right
[18:25:23] <FabTheZen> so the ISO is OK
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[18:25:38] <FabTheZen> you know, I am really excited about haiku
[18:25:42] <FabTheZen> I loved BeOS
[18:25:50] <FabTheZen> and I love this new project
[18:26:13] <FabTheZen> don't know if you know about the conference hold in Italy last week
[18:26:21] <FabTheZen> (I am italian)
[18:26:32] <Kokito> ciao FabTheZen :)
[18:26:38] <FabTheZen> :)
[18:26:43] <FabTheZen> grazie xD
[18:26:56] <Kokito> I heard about the conference
[18:28:19] <FabTheZen> too bad they had some problems with the movie recorder
[18:28:59] <Kokito> so it was not broadcasted as originally planned?
[18:29:23] <FabTheZen> guess what... they could broadcast just the Q&A section
[18:29:37] <FabTheZen> but that's better than nothing isn't it'
[18:29:38] <FabTheZen> ?
[18:29:40] <Kokito> better than nothing
[18:29:45] <Kokito> yes :)
[18:29:52] <FabTheZen> :D mindreading rules
[18:30:06] * Kokito is listening to Nessun Dorma
[18:30:11] <FabTheZen> LOL!!!
[18:30:18] <FabTheZen> Neeeessunnn dormaaaaaa :3
[18:30:27] <FabTheZen> wonderful song
[18:30:34] <Kokito> yes, sung by Marcelo Alvarez
[18:30:40] <FabTheZen> cool
[18:31:06] <FabTheZen> I also like the Pavarotti version
[18:31:19] <Kokito> of course :)
[18:31:28] <FabTheZen> yeah of course who don't :P
[18:31:45] <FabTheZen> I mean it is amazing...
[18:31:52] <FabTheZen> :=)
[18:32:11] <FabTheZen> wow, there is no user in #haiku-it
[18:32:13] <FabTheZen> just me
[18:33:01] <FabTheZen> ok I went bit of OT
[18:33:48] <FabTheZen> so you propose me to burn with ubuntu
[18:33:49] <Kokito> you should watch Nessun Dorma by Pavarotti, Carreras and Domingo. it's fabulous
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[18:33:55] <FabTheZen> ohh
[18:34:07] <FabTheZen> niceeee
[18:34:08] <Kokito> FabTheZen, I would try burning the CD from Ubuntu
[18:34:41] <FabTheZen> ok, I'll try, after I watched all the Nessun Dorma
[18:34:46] <FabTheZen> :))
[18:35:07] <Kokito> ok, have to go now
[18:35:13] <Kokito> good luck FabTheZen!
[18:35:18] <FabTheZen> thanks
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[18:41:15] <FabTheZen> amazing, 4 minutes of applause...
[18:41:23] <FabTheZen> :D
[18:42:12] <FabTheZen> ok g2g now, coming back when I do some business and burd from Ubuntu
[18:42:17] <FabTheZen> bye bye and thanks Kokito
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[19:34:26] <CIA-50> stippi * r321 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/support/FontSelectionView.cpp: Small cleanup.
[19:35:32] <CIA-50> stippi * r322 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/support/ (DateTime.cpp DateTime.h):
[19:35:32] <CIA-50> * Improved API for more convenience.
[19:35:32] <CIA-50> * Fixed comparison operators.
[19:36:55] <CIA-50> stippi * r323 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/ (BrowsingHistory.cpp BrowsingHistory.h):
[19:36:56] <CIA-50> * Fixed bug that would save the history for each item in the history when loading
[19:36:56] <CIA-50> the history from disk...
[19:36:56] <CIA-50> * Don't touch items when loading them from disk, messing up their visited time.
[19:38:09] <CIA-50> stippi * r324 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/BrowserWindow.cpp:
[19:38:09] <CIA-50> * Improved the Go menu by sorting items into sub-menus for each day, five days
[19:38:09] <CIA-50> into the past, and the rest of them into "Earlier".
[19:38:09] <CIA-50> * Moved the "Clear history" item to the top.
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[19:41:12] <DraX> ohhh, shiny commits
[19:41:44] <CIA-50> stippi * r325 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/BrowsingHistory.cpp: Fix the history restoration for real... duh!
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[19:48:17] <CIA-50> stippi * r35894 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/support/DateTime.h src/kits/support/DateTime.cpp):
[19:48:17] <CIA-50> * Added copy constructors.
[19:48:17] <CIA-50> * Let the AddHours(), Add*() return itself, so that they can be chained.
[19:48:17] <CIA-50> * Made the previous *Name() methods static and added non-static versions that
[19:48:17] <CIA-50> take the day/month of the object.
[19:48:18] <CIA-50> * Make BDateTime::Date/Time() return references (const or non-const).
[19:48:19] <CIA-50> * Fixed the BDateTime comparison operators.
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[19:52:45] <kieselsteini> bye guys
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[20:43:39] <frood> when i try and run webpositive it says "missing libpng.so.1.2". am i supposed to move the lib directory i unzipped somewhere?
[20:46:40] <mmlr_mc> you seem to run an old version of webpositive
[20:47:44] <frood> i just downloaded it from stippi's blog entry
[20:48:11] <Auronandace> 307?
[20:48:14] <frood> yeah
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[20:48:26] <Auronandace> the latest is 325
[20:48:37] <frood> where can I find that?
[20:48:42] <mmlr_mc> get a nightly from here: http://mmlr.dyndns.org/
[20:50:44] <frood> thanks :)
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[20:54:23] <Lelldorin1> hi all
[20:54:28] <Auronandace> gi
[20:54:31] <Auronandace> hi
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[21:11:59] <frood> is there a way to get the yellow tabs to move along automatically when maximised?
[21:12:58] <PulkoMandy_> not that I know of
[21:13:15] <PulkoMandy_> besides modifying the decorator.cpp code or creating a new decorator...
[21:13:22] <frood> there was in BeOS r5 though wasnt there?
[21:13:34] <frood> i'm sure i remember it doing that.
[21:13:53] <HeTo> frood: I think you remember KDE or some other X11 window manager
[21:13:58] <PulkoMandy_> well I may just not know the feature
[21:14:05] <PulkoMandy_> but yes kde4 is doing that
[21:14:13] * jmayfield__ eats an avocado
[21:14:21] <PulkoMandy_> stack&tile could be agood way to do it too ...
[21:14:24] <frood> maybe. im sure i read it in the beos bible though
[21:14:57] <frood> maybe it was kde 3 with a beos theme
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[21:24:01] <AlienSoldier> as i can't test haiku anymore, can someone tell me what are those new cursor thingy?
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[21:26:10] <Auronandace> you could try it out in a vm
[21:26:34] <Auronandace> the cursor are more clear and crisp
[21:27:16] <Auronandace> i'm not a graphics expert so i don't know much about them, but they look better
[21:29:16] <jmayfield__> haiku, now with fancy cursors!
[21:30:19] <frood> lol
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[21:39:51] <AlienSoldier> ok, thanx
[21:39:58] <AlienSoldier> *tankx
[21:40:06] <AlienSoldier> thank you :)
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[21:43:58] <Ingenu> I'll blame JonathanThompson
[21:44:50] <JonathanThompson> Right, blame me!
[21:45:05] <Ingenu> you're ALIVE !
[21:45:14] * JonathanThompson gets ready for yet another Microsoft interview...
[21:45:21] <Ingenu> (reference to old movie)
[21:45:28] <Ingenu> oh ?
[21:45:43] <Ingenu> tell them their employee suck
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[21:45:51] <Ingenu> and I'm not kidding there
[21:46:00] <JonathanThompson> XBox testing frameworks: writing tests to test XBox as they go through the assembly line.
[21:46:02] <Ingenu> I have proofs
[21:46:12] <Ingenu> hooo
[21:46:23] <Ingenu> that sounds like a good idea
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[21:46:54] <Ingenu> are they hiring mobo engineers too or do they still fancy replacing half their user base machines ?
[21:47:21] <JonathanThompson> I'm not going to ask during the interview :p
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[21:48:30] <Ingenu> means tired + grumpy +
[21:48:54] <Ingenu> and C++ is a pos extension ocer C
[21:48:57] <Ingenu> over*
[21:50:49] <Ingenu> but realised it'd be a lie :(
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[21:55:14] <Ingenu> JonathanThompson: what language is that interview with/for/about
[21:55:21] <JonathanThompson> C++
[21:55:35] <Ingenu> the doom language
[21:55:59] <oZ]> Could be worse.
[21:56:25] <Ingenu> oZ]: yes
[21:56:31] <Ingenu> it could be raining
[21:56:39] <Ingenu> ;)
[21:57:00] <Ingenu> typos due to iPhone
[21:57:21] <Ingenu> JonathanThompson: when's the interview ?
[21:57:27] <JonathanThompson> 1 hour
[21:57:29] <AlienSoldier> JonathanThompson they test them on the assembly line? :P
[21:57:42] * JonathanThompson smacks AlienSoldier :p
[21:57:43] <Ingenu> in one hour ?
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[21:57:54] <Ingenu> lol
[21:57:56] <JonathanThompson> Less, now :P
[21:58:01] <Ingenu> just got AlienSoldier joke
[21:58:20] <Ingenu> oh
[21:58:34] <Ingenu> well C++ is your second language
[21:58:42] <Ingenu> so you should be fine
[21:58:44] <AlienSoldier> i would soooo much do that interview with a ring of death T-Shirt
[21:59:07] <JonathanThompson> Don't have one of those handy :p
[21:59:20] <Ingenu> I'd rather bring a broken 360 ^^
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[22:33:26] <mmadia> would anyone be interested in filing bug reports that detail the issues of using Installer from a current gcc2hybrid to upgrade R1/Alpha1?
[22:33:59] <mmadia> there's bound to be some issues with changed directory paths and settings files.
[22:34:21] <mmadia> trash, /var, /tmp,  Terminal, are some that come to mind.
[22:37:09] <luroh> is it really worth investing any effort into supporting such upgrades?
[22:38:01] * mmadia shrugs
[22:38:06] <luroh> pre-R1, i mean
[22:39:00] <mmadia> I can see it being a blemish in R1/Alpha2 reviews/feedback.... though it is only alpha :)
[22:43:15] <oZ]> Microsoft made it hard to upgrade from a RC to the final version of Windows 7, so it'd be somewhat safe to allow complete failure there.
[22:43:24] <oZ]> I'm sure it's nice from a good will perspective to allow it to work, though.
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[22:53:16] <PulkoMandy_> yes, we said it when releasing the alpha1 : there is no package manager thus no update path
[22:54:24] <Auronandace> should just make it clear when alpha2 comes out you should do a fresh install
[22:54:34] <mmadia> right, but considering our Installer allows the user to attempt and upgrade, it may be worth to know what will go wrong.
[22:55:13] <AlienSoldier> mmadia i guess just a message mentioning a partition initialisation would be best
[22:55:25] <mmadia> and then at that point, it may be easy to provid a pre-installation-script that preps the target partion just prior to intalling.
[22:55:50] <AlienSoldier> because the twin trashcan sure is weird
[22:56:01] <PulkoMandy_> the installer will wipe the system/ dir anyway ? so it should be fine ?
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[22:58:02] <mmadia> not completely, i think there's some settings in ~/config/settings that will cause problems.
[22:58:47] <mmadia> like "Terminal" being a file in A1 and a directory in current trunk.
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[22:59:47] <mmadia> or the migration of folders from ~/  to common/  or ~/config/settings
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[23:03:40] <AlienSoldier> i am not sure it's worth it to "import" bookmark and different preference from alpha 1 to alpha 2, a fresh install should be enough, it's not long to set a system back
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[23:06:54] <Auronandace> it'd be great if there is an upgrade path, but i see the effort to implement it would be greater than setting up a clean install
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[23:12:38] <Auronandace> it would probably be easier to make some sort of upgrade script for the alpha1 release after alpha2 has been released
[23:12:49] <Auronandace> that way you can compare them side by side
[23:15:14] <vooshy> Auronandace: you mean two installers, one to install fresh and the other to upgrade?
[23:17:13] <Auronandace> i mean a script to download if you have the alpha1 release that downloads what is needed to change it to alpha2
[23:17:35] <Auronandace> it could be a seperate download from the alpha2 release
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[23:18:32] <PulkoMandy_> that would make things more complex than needed for users
[23:19:04] <vooshy> Auronandace: hmm i think anyone with alpha1 still wont want to use a script. majority of people still using alpha1 are not technically minded.
[23:19:54] <Auronandace> you get a choice: download the alpha2 and make a fresh install or if you already have alpha1 download the upgrade app (or script)
[23:22:02] <mmadia> if the issues of using R1/A2 (or rather the current nightly) Installer to upgrade an R1/Alpha1 installation were identified, I'm reasonably confident that a pre-install script could resolve them.
[23:22:36] <mmadia> and the script would have no ill effect on freshly initialized partitions.
[23:23:16] <Auronandace> the only issue with that approach is that alpha2 is currently a moving target
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[23:23:58] <Auronandace> you'd have to adjust the script regularly with every nightly, when necessary
[23:24:33] <mmadia> yes, but the paths & files that were recently changed are more than likely stable for now.
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[23:24:55] <kieselsteini> hi
[23:25:22] <vooshy> imho you need to go down the fresh install only option, any update will remove parts such as e-mail settings, static ip's etc
[23:25:24] <Auronandace> if it can be done, and it doesn't take too much effort, then go for it
[23:25:35] <jan__64> hi, I have a Haiku coding question: I want to read from stdout from a program that I called ("forked") from my main program
[23:25:56] <jan__64> I could use fork and exec, but I am looking for a Haiku solution
[23:26:34] <jan__64> there is load_image, where I can run an app as a thread in my team, however I want to read from my thread's stdout
[23:26:40] <jan__64> how do I do that?
[23:27:18] <PulkoMandy_> stdout is shared between all threads
[23:27:35] <PulkoMandy_> an haiku solution to do communication would probably be to use BMessages instead
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[23:28:56] <cpr420> jan__64: You can use BCommandPipe but it's is currently private, you could copy the classes from the Haiku repo
[23:29:00] <cpr420> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/kits/shared/CommandPipe.cpp
[23:29:09] <jan__64> interesting cpr420
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[23:34:22] <kieselsteini> so re
[23:34:26] <jan__64> cpr420, seems to be waht I was looking for, thanks
[23:34:32] <jan__64> *what
[23:34:32] <cpr420> np
[23:34:45] <kirilla> hi kieselsteini
[23:36:03] <kieselsteini> is there a decent programming tutorial for Haiku ?
[23:36:07] <kirilla> Is there an article on the (userland) debugger?
[23:36:15] <kirilla> heh
[23:36:21] <kirilla> kieselsteini: yes
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[23:36:38] <kieselsteini> I found the BeBook API reference but that's no real tutorial *g
[23:37:01] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/tutorials
[23:37:21] <kirilla> and plenty of source ;)
[23:37:42] <kieselsteini> heh ok...lern to read :D
[23:37:45] <kieselsteini> learn
[23:38:07] <kirilla> I haven't read those myself
[23:38:15] <kirilla> they look like they target beginners
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[23:39:22] <kieselsteini> I'm no C++ guru but I develop Java software at work, so there should be no problem *g
[23:41:53] <kirilla> kieselsteini: the BeBook is truly good at explaining the API, and not just being an API reference
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[23:42:47] <kirilla> kieselsteini: it's divided in two parts, one reference and another which is more big picture, each divided by "kit" and classes / parts of kits
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[23:42:53] <kieselsteini> kirilla: hmm ok...but I don't know where to start...I only made an BApplication class and opened a BWindow nothing more *g
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[23:44:05] <kirilla> kieselsteini: say you want to create worker threads, Haiku-style, you can subclass a BLooper and have them do time-consuming things.. use message passing to synchronize between windows, the app thread and worker loopers
[23:44:43] <kirilla> don't call too many methods between threads - instead you message passing
[23:44:48] <kieselsteini> hmm I'll keep that in mind :)
[23:44:50] <kirilla> s/you/use
[23:45:18] <kirilla> learn the API kit first, since that is the basis for the interface kit
[23:45:24] <kirilla> application kit, I mean
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[23:45:43] <cpr420> kieselsteini: Have you read the "Programming the Be Operating System" pdf on the Haiku website?
[23:46:02] <kieselsteini> roughly
[23:46:10] <cpr420> ok, just making sure
[23:46:24] <kirilla> BWindow being a BLooper, being the thread class .. there's of course also C-style thread spawning and pthreads, if you want those
[23:46:31] <kieselsteini> I'll read it tomorrow and then starting some simple app
[23:47:12] <kieselsteini> kirilla: no I want to use the full Haiku potential *g
[23:47:20] <kirilla> heh
[23:47:50] <kieselsteini> exploring new operating systems is fun *g
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[23:48:41] <kirilla> yeah, I'm a fan of systems.. been a while since I looked the others though
[23:52:46] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35895 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug_parser.cpp:
[23:52:46] <CIA-50> * Added support for giving multiple kernel debugger commands in a single
[23:52:46] <CIA-50> line, separated by ";".
[23:52:46] <CIA-50> * Fixed incorrect parsing when "|" was not separated by a space from the
[23:52:46] <CIA-50> previous argument.
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[23:53:28] <kieselsteini> kirilla: what Do you use if you develop in haiku? Pe? Vim?
[23:53:48] <kirilla> Pe
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[23:54:24] <kirilla> but I currently mostly work on Haiku source from my crossdev setup in Linux
[23:54:43] <kirilla> and more seldom on a project outside of Haiku itself
[23:55:28] <kirilla> but I would use Pe, since that is included with Haiku and has the bare essentials
[23:55:43] <kirilla> I'm no fan of the classic shell editors
[23:56:22] <kirilla> I'm also not yet spoiled by any commercial or open-source IDE
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[23:56:54] <kirilla> I'm hoping to see more work on IDEs though
[23:57:30] <kieselsteini> to have Eclipse and NetBeans we've to port Java :D
[23:57:50] <kirilla> kieselsteini: I combine Terminal, grep and friends, Pe. and the Tracker add-on TextSearch (i.e. grep)
[23:58:08] <kirilla> kieselsteini: yeah, those would be nice, even if they're a bit heavy
[23:58:25] <kieselsteini> :D
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