March 16, 2010 
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March 16, 2010 [00:01:29] *** markos_ has quit IRC[00:02:55] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:03:09] <mmu_man> Kokito yes usually A0, but the lab will handle this[00:03:31] <mmu_man> ah, reminds me I still have to send the scans for fosdem train[00:03:57] <mmadia> and the hotel too :)[00:05:09] <mmu_man> yep[00:05:52] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:06:06] <mmu_man> should I send it all or send the train to 4Front ? it's 230EUR[00:06:34] <mmu_man> they proposed to participate, but it's probably more hasle to split the thing[00:06:42] <mmu_man> + conversion fees...[00:07:12] <mmadia> all should be fine. if there's any issues, someone on the board will say so.[00:07:33] <mmu_man> ok, I'll mail you all teh scans[00:08:08] <mmadia> we acquired @haiku-inc.org too, but haven't set up any addresses yet.[00:09:06] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[00:11:59] <Bushmills> need any supportive net infrastructure? slave dns? backup space?[00:12:26] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:13:01] <mmu_man> slave coders yes :p[00:13:16] <Bushmills> i'm not a c++ guy[00:13:35] <mmadia> possibly mirror hosting during the next release, Bushmills.[00:13:53] *** vooshy has quit IRC[00:14:13] <mmadia> we've already 2 off-site backup sites, in addition to what's provided by Hetzner (our hoster)[00:14:19] <Bushmills> ok. considerable traffic left here[00:14:33] <Bushmills> i'm with hetzner too[00:15:05] <Bushmills> just reduced from 5 to 2 server, since the eq4 are better capable of virtual hosts[00:15:07] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[00:15:20] <Bushmills> virtual servers[00:17:00] <mmadia> i don't recall the name of our package, but it's some i7, 8gb ram, 750gb hd.[00:17:15] <Bushmills> 49 E per month[00:17:20] <Bushmills> that's the eq4[00:18:01] <Bushmills> 2x 750 gig had[00:18:16] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[00:18:37] <mmadia> as raid 1[00:18:40] <Bushmills> yes[00:19:56] * mmu_man still wants a demo.haiku-os.org :p[00:20:19] <mmadia> we need to get more IP's ... that's +15EUR a month.[00:20:31] <Bushmills> 4 with the base package[00:20:34] <mmadia> ~$250USD/year[00:20:50] <Bushmills> old ds3000 were friendlier for more ip addresses[00:20:54] <mmadia> Bushmills : seems we also have the eq4 package.[00:20:58] <mmu_man> do we really need different IPs to add vservers ?[00:21:33] <Bushmills> was 1 addr plus a seperate /29 net without extra payment with the ds3000[00:21:36] <mmadia> you'd need to ask olta/nielx on the exact details mmu_man.[00:22:19] <mmu_man> where is he when you need him ? ;)[00:23:16] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[00:24:11] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[00:26:56] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[00:27:05] <JonathanThompson> Hiding under a rock?[00:27:12] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps under a rock and roll band?[00:27:40] <JonathanThompson> (Or maybe just the hard stony thing and the edible bread thing on a plate)[00:30:11] *** MegafHaiku has joined #haiku[00:30:13] *** ereslibre_uni has joined #haiku[00:30:13] *** ereslibre_uni has joined #haiku[00:30:20] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[00:30:47] *** ereslibre_uni is now known as ereslibre[00:36:12] *** rennj has quit IRC[00:37:56] *** rennj has joined #haiku[00:38:13] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[00:42:05] *** flameshadow has joined #haiku[00:44:25] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[00:48:21] <CIA-50> mmadia * r35871 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (AnybootImage BuildSetup MiscRules ReleaseBuildProfiles): Create "anyboot-image" and define build profile rules to utilize it.[00:49:16] <jmayfield_> any fans of Yes here? do fans of Yes still exist?[00:49:51] <JonathanThompson> No.[00:49:55] <JonathanThompson> Yes?[00:49:59] <JonathanThompson> Maybe![00:50:13] * JonathanThompson can't remember the names of any songs that he's got associated with them[00:50:49] <JonathanThompson> Name some of their songs, see if I recognize their names (I'm lousy at remembering song titles partially because I don't listen for them much, either)[00:50:55] <jmayfield_> well, as well all that big, symphonic stuff.. its about the albums man, not the tracks[00:51:03] <jmayfield_> ...man[00:51:23] <JonathanThompson> I have a sibling that could name all that sort of stuff: I'm not that person![00:52:20] *** Ola__ has quit IRC[00:53:29] <jmayfield_> yes is a amazing.. the juxtaposition of how much i detest the vocalists voice and who much i love their music is interesting[00:54:12] <jmayfield_> oh, and by yes, i mean yes albubs made pre-1975[00:54:13] <jmayfield_> hehe[00:55:54] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:56:36] * JonathanThompson is reminded of a Johnny Carson comedy bit[00:56:45] <JonathanThompson> No sir, Yassir![00:56:55] <JonathanThompson> The band? Yes![00:57:03] <JonathanThompson> (I can't remember the details, but...)[00:57:05] <jmayfield_> the who?[00:57:08] <jmayfield_> guess who[00:57:44] <jmayfield_> hehe[00:58:01] <jmayfield_> what band names... the band, yes, guess who, the who[00:58:21] <JonathanThompson> http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/000593.shtml.static[01:00:28] *** MegafHaiku has quit IRC[01:00:46] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:03:32] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:07:52] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:09:46] *** jmelesky has quit IRC[01:22:31] *** vooshy has quit IRC[01:25:37] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:27:09] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:30:43] *** Malmis has quit IRC[01:33:46] *** bradsco has joined #haiku[01:37:55] *** Kokito has quit IRC[01:38:06] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[01:39:09] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[01:40:17] *** hdanak_ has joined #haiku[01:40:30] <hdanak_> Hi, what is the official URL for the haiku java port?[01:41:36] <mmadia> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/haiku-port/[01:41:37] <mmu_screen> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/haiku-port/[01:41:39] <mmu_screen> :p[01:42:10] * mmadia blows the smoke out of his trigger finger[01:42:43] *** flameshadow has joined #haiku[01:42:47] <hdanak_> i saw that, but I don't see where the repo is...[01:44:38] <mmadia> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/haiku/haiku/jdk/summary[01:45:50] <hdanak_> thanks[01:46:19] <hdanak_> are there plans for a haiku code drive this year?[01:46:53] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:48:34] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:49:24] *** General_Failure_ has quit IRC[01:49:36] *** BlankBruno has joined #haiku[01:52:55] <OmniMancer> are there plans for a summer of code that occurs during summer?[01:55:13] *** hdanak_ has quit IRC[01:58:01] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[02:01:54] *** cryptic has quit IRC[02:02:10] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[02:03:56] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[02:06:10] *** BlankBruno has left #haiku[02:08:09] *** hdanak has quit IRC[02:08:21] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[02:10:12] *** martinhpedersen_ has quit IRC[02:11:04] <l_n> meh. mmadia left before i returned.[02:11:12] *** Disreali has quit IRC[02:15:11] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[02:16:28] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[02:16:42] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[02:25:07] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:37:31] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[02:42:06] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[02:42:09] *** Nozy has quit IRC[02:42:36] *** Barrett_ has quit IRC[02:42:44] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[02:44:45] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[02:46:28] *** flameshadow has joined #haiku[02:47:39] *** martinhpedersen_ has joined #haiku[02:47:52] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[02:48:23] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[02:49:32] <yourpalal> Hi everyone, i'm wondering how I can build a built-in application with debug symbols?[02:53:01] <yourpalal> hmm, actually I think I've found it :D export DEBUG=1 seems to have done the trick[03:01:13] *** hdanak has quit IRC[03:03:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:05:16] <yourpalal> mmadia: Do you know how to build an application(that is part of haiku) with debug symbols[03:06:26] <mmadia> build/jam/UserBuildConfig.* should mention[03:07:06] <mmadia> l_n ?[03:07:30] <yourpalal> let me take a look at that...[03:07:36] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[03:08:34] <mmadia> hdanak : HCD depends on quite a few things ... mostly on the students, available mentors, and available cash.[03:08:51] <yourpalal> yeah, that looks good, thanks![03:10:37] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:17:07] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[03:20:41] *** flameshadow has joined #haiku[03:24:44] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[03:28:11] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[03:31:13] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[03:56:12] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[04:00:46] *** flameshadow has joined #haiku[04:04:56] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[04:05:33] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[04:07:49] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:09:31] *** flameshadow has joined #haiku[04:19:59] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[04:22:51] 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known as anarchos[05:08:30] <anarchos> does booting on a macbook from a dvd work?[05:11:30] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[05:11:52] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:14:45] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[05:30:11] *** flameshadow has quit IRC[05:48:35] *** calman has joined #haiku[05:49:58] *** calman_ has joined #haiku[05:52:57] *** calman has quit IRC[05:58:38] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[05:59:57] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[06:01:14] *** Malediktus has joined #haiku[06:03:53] *** Maledictus has quit IRC[06:14:23] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[06:16:35] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:18:42] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[06:18:50] *** __goo__ has joined #haiku[06:30:29] <anarchos> hmm nightly doesn't seem to boot on qemu...i just get a "_" and nothing else[06:30:41] *** Koki-n800 has left #haiku[06:31:29] <mmadia42> anarchos : what revision were you previously using?[06:32:17] <anarchos> not exactly sure, deleted the image a few weeks ago, but it was something from a few months ago atleast[06:35:48] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[06:39:55] *** fhein has joined #haiku[06:48:33] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[06:48:50] <mmadia42> you'd need to get a better error message or start doing a binary search on revisions, anarchos.[06:55:27] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:02:15] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[07:05:08] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[07:07:37] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[07:08:48] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[07:09:04] *** calman_ has quit IRC[07:09:11] *** calman has joined #haiku[07:10:42] *** calman has quit IRC[07:24:20] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[07:25:00] *** nickfromdc has joined #haiku[07:26:18] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:44:47] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:48:03] *** nickfromdc has quit IRC[07:49:36] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[07:50:45] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[07:50:46] *** CK|iPod has quit IRC[07:57:08] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:07:17] *** e-jones has joined #haiku[08:07:30] *** Andrius has joined #haiku[08:20:01] *** The123king has joined #haiku[08:32:14] <CIA-50> scottmc * r650 /haikuports/trunk/dev-util/subversion/patches/subversion-1.6.9.patch: Fixed subversion's use of find_directory to put the subversion settings file into B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY/subversion instead of $HOME/subversion or $HOME/.subversion[08:37:15] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[08:46:46] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[08:47:12] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[08:49:31] *** The123king has quit IRC[08:56:49] <kitallis> hey :)[09:06:50] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[09:10:28] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[09:10:41] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[09:12:46] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[09:15:21] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[09:23:07] *** sprma has joined #haiku[09:25:38] *** e-jones is now known as e-jones|away[09:30:07] *** tanami has joined #haiku[09:30:50] *** fhein has quit IRC[09:30:54] <tanami> my 1005HA's wireless driver refuses to load[09:31:34] <tanami> KERN: Could not load kernel add-on "/boot/home/config/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/net/atheros": General system error[09:33:02] <tanami> I am using the alpha and I installed atheros-rev387-r1alpha1.zip[09:37:08] <humdinger> tanami: No idea what's wrong. You may want to try a newer nightly image.[09:37:22] <humdinger> There have been quite a few improvements since the alpha.[09:37:36] <humdinger> and it comes with the atheros driver already in the system.[09:40:11] *** stef has joined #haiku[09:41:38] <tanami> I tried getting the latest nightly image yesterday[09:41:47] <tanami> and it kernel panic'd upon booting[09:41:50] <tanami> :|[09:42:27] <tanami> upon booting the cdrom image, that is[09:43:08] <humdinger> maybe have a look in the bugtracker if there are similar panics reported.[09:43:20] <humdinger> some of those can be "continue"ed.[09:44:10] <tanami> hmk[09:44:28] <tanami> apart from that I am pretty impressed with haiku[09:44:33] <humdinger> sorry, these things are very difficult to help with...[09:45:03] <tanami> I was surprised when it actually got my screen resolution correct without any tweaking[09:45:22] <tanami> unlike nearly every OS I've used in the last year[09:45:41] <humdinger> If there's a driver, there's hope...[09:46:07] <humdinger> problem is, when the devs don't have your hardware, it's difficult to fix hw-related things.[10:03:19] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[10:03:43] *** humdinger has quit IRC[10:05:10] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[10:06:13] *** o0lilith0o has joined #haiku[10:11:17] <CIA-50> laplace * r35872 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/LegacyBootDrive.cpp: BString:UnlockBuffer expects the length without the null-terminator.[10:12:03] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:12:05] *** Advant- is now known as Advant[10:12:12] <stargater> hi[10:16:07] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[10:16:34] <CIA-50> laplace * r35873 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/BootManagerController.cpp: Show preview of partition name if conversion was successful.[10:18:01] <CIA-50> laplace * r35874 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/BootManager.cpp:[10:18:01] <CIA-50> Removed authors and copyright year from translation text.[10:18:01] <CIA-50> Take the length of the about title text into account when making it[10:18:01] <CIA-50> bold (might be translated as well).[10:18:54] *** markos_ has quit IRC[10:23:17] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[10:25:20] *** wildur has joined #haiku[10:25:30] <CIA-50> laplace * r35875 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/textencoding/utf8_conversions.cpp:[10:25:31] <CIA-50> Replace each occurence of an invalide character. Before all invalid[10:25:31] <CIA-50> characters where omitted and the substitute character was append at the end[10:25:31] <CIA-50> of the input text.[10:25:31] <CIA-50> Added comment how the continuation of incomplete multibyte sequences[10:25:31] <CIA-50> could be solved.[10:25:31] <CIA-50> Please review.[10:26:09] <CIA-50> laplace * r35876 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/LegacyBootDrive.cpp:[10:26:09] <CIA-50> Added translation comment that "Unnamed %d" must use characters from[10:26:09] <CIA-50> codepage 437.[10:26:10] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:26:13] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:26:48] <Auronandace> laplace is on a roll[10:28:13] *** atishb has joined #haiku[10:29:31] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:29:53] *** atishb has quit IRC[10:34:37] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[10:36:28] *** noldsel has joined #haiku[10:43:57] <l_n> mmadia42: it's still rev 35593 that boots.. i haven't started narrowing down where it breaks yet.. will do that when i get home (by building 35700 or so, etc. as you had suggested prev.)[10:44:03] * l_n[10:45:18] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[10:47:38] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[10:48:24] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[10:49:57] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[10:54:16] <CIA-50> laplace * r35877 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/LegacyBootDrive.cpp:[10:54:17] <CIA-50> Forgot to update the condition after not increasing the length variable[10:54:17] <CIA-50> in r35872.[10:54:17] <CIA-50> Thanks Axel for pointing that out.[11:02:08] *** stargater has quit IRC[11:03:11] <kitallis> any text i can read up on regarding Haiku's runtime loader?[11:04:00] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[11:11:21] *** e-jones|away is now known as e-jones[11:16:26] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[11:17:31] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[11:27:57] *** anarchos has quit IRC[11:34:21] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[11:41:02] *** __goo__ has quit IRC[11:45:47] <OmniMancer1> why kitallis?[11:45:54] <OmniMancer1> I think it has dl[11:48:07] *** o0lilith0o has quit IRC[11:55:40] *** __goo__ has joined #haiku[12:00:19] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[12:21:14] *** petterhj has quit IRC[12:28:48] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:33:29] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[12:37:59] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[12:41:09] *** Libcha has joined #haiku[12:41:17] <Libcha> hello[12:41:39] <Libcha> i still have a serious problem, and i dont know if its me or its a bug[12:42:02] <Libcha> but sure its the fault of documentation :)[12:42:43] <Libcha> i installed haiku to my hdd, but theres no bootloader, so it doesnt boot, neither does windows on 2nd partition[12:43:10] <Libcha> writes just "operating system boot error" bios message...[12:43:15] <Libcha> can anyone help ? :([12:44:13] <tanami> Libcha: y'all need a bootloader y'hear[12:44:23] <tanami> such as grub or something[12:44:30] <tanami> installed to the MBR[12:44:50] <tanami> probably will need a 3rd partition for it[12:44:59] <tanami> and then you chainload into windows or haiku[12:46:03] <tanami> that probably sounded confusing[12:52:08] *** noldsel has quit IRC[12:53:40] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[13:01:14] <CIA-50> stippi * r314 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/ (BrowserWindow.cpp BrowserWindow.h):[13:01:14] <CIA-50> Added code for bookmarking the current page and opening the Bookmarks folder[13:01:14] <CIA-50> in Tracker (or the preferred file manager). Populating the Bookmarks menu is[13:01:14] <CIA-50> still missing.[13:02:22] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[13:07:04] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[13:07:29] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:07:34] <Libcha> tanami: yes, i already found haiku's own bootloader. but still problems:[13:08:09] <Libcha> it needs the safe graphics mode. is there a way to set it permanently ?[13:08:09] *** saivert has quit IRC[13:08:46] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[13:09:32] <Libcha> the second thing: (how to write a bugreport?), i tried to play my audioCD, it went, i heard the sound, but it terribly stopped all 3 sec for few secs, because it stopped the cd (source) each time and needed to init it again[13:09:42] *** noldsel has joined #haiku[13:10:08] *** romulo has joined #haiku[13:11:48] <Auronandace> dev.haiku-os.org is where the bug reports go[13:12:10] <romulo> good morning[13:14:38] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[13:15:45] *** saivert has joined #haiku[13:17:36] <Libcha> about that safe graphics mode: is it solvable differently, eg. by installing apropriate GPU driver ?[13:18:50] <Auronandace> i think haiku defaults to the VESA driver for display[13:19:56] <romulo> any chance that we start another bounty for wep/wpa/wpa2 support?[13:20:32] <Auronandace> romulo: i think there is one on haikuware[13:21:24] <OmniMancer1> romulo: doesn't matter since wep support kinda works and a guy is writing a wifi stack for his thesis so bounty won't make it any faster really[13:21:35] <romulo> hmm[13:21:38] *** Libcha has quit IRC[13:24:10] <OmniMancer1> a wifi stack must be written for proper support for these things and it is being done I believe[13:24:23] <OmniMancer1> hacking wifi onto the ethernet system is not good :([13:24:48] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[13:25:01] <romulo> yeah you are probably right[13:25:18] <romulo> OmniMancer1, but money always drive people faster =D[13:27:38] <OmniMancer1> if he has to do it for a thesis he has to make decent progress this year anyway and he can work on it full time :P[13:28:01] *** Libcha has joined #haiku[13:28:44] <Libcha> hello back. did anyone answer to me ? there was a power outage :([13:32:35] <romulo> OmniMancer1, i guess so.[13:32:42] <romulo> anyone expert with cmake here?[13:34:07] <OmniMancer1> don't think so, but what is the problem/[13:34:57] <romulo> need to have more platforms for a makefile im doing, dunno how to[13:35:24] <kitallis> uhm, does anyone know who ported this : http://www.haiku-ports.de/packages/dev-lang/ruby/?[13:39:52] *** yuanxu has joined #haiku[13:40:15] *** yuanxu has left #haiku[13:46:48] <CIA-50> stippi * r315 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[13:46:48] <CIA-50> * Added Tracker Kit NavMenu.h and SlowMenu.h which ought to be removed when[13:46:48] <CIA-50> WebPositive is moved into the Haiku repo.[13:46:48] <CIA-50> * Convert the Bookmarks menu into a BNavMenu, make sure it updates to the[13:46:48] <CIA-50> current folder contens each time it opens.[13:46:49] <CIA-50> * Wire everything to complete the bookmark support. Managing bookmarks is[13:46:50] <CIA-50> fairly nice by re-using Tracker. One can even put anything into the book[13:47:51] *** Libcha has left #haiku[13:48:59] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:49:46] <leszek> hi[13:52:00] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[13:54:09] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[13:57:52] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[13:58:45] *** Ola has joined #haiku[13:58:58] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[14:00:40] *** chris_ has joined #haiku[14:03:33] <OmniMancer1> romulo: cmake is a generator[14:03:37] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[14:04:07] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[14:04:21] <OmniMancer1> but the makefiles need cmake installed and it works with its own system but in many ways is superior to make by itself and even with automake/autoconf[14:04:22] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[14:05:58] <romulo> i already mess with it[14:06:13] <romulo> i just need one option that i cant find nowhere, not even in maillists[14:06:47] <OmniMancer1> what option?[14:07:11] <romulo> im generating visual studio projects. I want the x86_64 platform target to be generated with x86[14:07:18] <romulo> so i can compile both from the same solution[14:07:50] <OmniMancer1> ah[14:07:58] <OmniMancer1> not sure if you can[14:08:08] <romulo> it should be set in CMAKE_CONFIGURATION_TYPES[14:08:21] <romulo> i dont really need the target to be a visual studio target. It can only be another configuration[14:08:25] <OmniMancer1> since certain things will be different won't they...[14:08:36] <OmniMancer1> like sizes and such :/[14:08:49] <romulo> yeah but for the build system, it wont make a difference[14:08:56] <romulo> neither for the visual studio solution[14:09:01] <OmniMancer1> it can[14:09:18] <OmniMancer1> if you define types for say int32, int64 and such...[14:09:22] <romulo> it can when you use autotools, not when msvc is handling everything[14:09:26] <OmniMancer1> but anyway I require sleep[14:09:34] <OmniMancer1> night[14:09:38] <romulo> day[14:09:44] <romulo> here is day, so g'day =D[14:10:06] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[14:19:35] *** aphedox has quit IRC[14:19:58] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[14:20:01] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[14:20:19] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[14:21:02] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[14:22:04] <CIA-50> stippi * r316 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/graphics/haiku/GraphicsContextHaiku.cpp:[14:22:04] <CIA-50> Implement storing of custom information in the graphics state stack. Currently,[14:22:04] <CIA-50> it is image interpolation quality only (thus implementing[14:22:04] <CIA-50> setImageInterpolationQuality() and imageInterpolationQuality()).[14:22:18] <waveshaper> Ive noticed daily that the more I use haiku at home for development the more irritated I get at work while using Visual studio because of its bad multithread handling[14:22:21] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[14:22:26] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[14:22:35] *** aphedox has quit IRC[14:22:46] *** fat_rat has joined #haiku[14:23:15] <CIA-50> stippi * r317 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/graphics/haiku/ImageHaiku.cpp:[14:23:15] <CIA-50> Implement obeying the image quality via passing the rendering options to[14:23:15] <CIA-50> DrawBitmapAsync(). Seems to work just fine, i.e. scaled images look smooth.[14:23:41] <waveshaper> ie. I compile a big project in VS, while that is working I can barely do anything within the editor[14:23:46] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[14:24:06] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[14:24:06] *** helf has quit IRC[14:25:05] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[14:25:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o aldeck[14:25:55] *** fat_rat has quit IRC[14:26:50] *** cryptic has joined #haiku[14:27:02] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[14:27:18] *** cryptic has quit IRC[14:27:19] <romulo> VS is a child eater[14:27:34] *** rennj has quit IRC[14:27:43] *** fat_rat has joined #haiku[14:27:48] <romulo> but i dont use local compile so i dont mind[14:27:56] <romulo> we use incredibuild[14:28:00] *** helf|laptop has joined #haiku[14:28:00] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[14:28:10] *** rennj has joined #haiku[14:28:12] *** cryptic has joined #haiku[14:29:04] *** helf has joined #haiku[14:29:04] *** saivert has quit IRC[14:33:09] <waveshaper> ah ok. some sort of remote building is that?[14:36:08] <romulo> yeah, distributed[14:36:14] <romulo> we use 10 machines to compile code[14:36:24] *** saivert has joined #haiku[14:36:27] <romulo> according to incredibuild, we have 22.3ghz of processing power[14:37:08] <romulo> usually, building our code in the xeon we have here, took 1/1.5 hours, with incredibuild, we compile it in 8 minutes[14:38:18] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[14:38:29] <waveshaper> nice :)[14:38:41] <waveshaper> atm our project is not THAT big :)[14:38:49] <waveshaper> but in the future it might be a good thing to look at[14:40:26] <romulo> its expensive but it improved our control of time[14:42:19] <waveshaper> do you know if the system is c/c++ only?[14:43:08] <romulo> not that i am aware, because it doesnt care for compiler[14:43:17] <romulo> you dont even have to have the compiler installed in other machines[14:43:38] <romulo> incredibuild pack the libs, the compiler, and everything necessary to build and send across network[14:47:21] <HeTo> aren't there free solutions for that?[14:47:38] <HeTo> ah, well, maybe less for Windows[14:49:24] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[14:49:26] *** luroh has joined #haiku[14:50:23] <waveshaper> interessting though. something Ill have to look at and tnx for the tip :)[14:51:10] <HeTo> for Linux there are some generic cluster solutions, and also one gcc-specific distributed computing solution[14:53:57] <waveshaper> well. non windows is np really. my private dev setup is based on having a linux build server anyways. its simple but it works for me and starting to write for haiku using mercurial as a repo is great for many reasons. so I could try something on that server I guess.[14:54:29] <waveshaper> though it wont be 22.3ghz :p[14:56:14] <romulo> good thing about incredibuild is that you can run it on normal machines[14:56:19] <romulo> you dont need dev machines[14:57:31] <HeTo> waveshaper: I think the thing was to have several build servers to build the same project[14:57:37] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[14:57:45] <HeTo> distcc was the gcc solution[14:58:45] <waveshaper> ah. yes. then my old single p4 wont do much difference :p[14:59:22] <romulo> going to class, bbl[15:08:37] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[15:09:25] *** Animal-X_ has joined #haiku[15:10:59] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[15:13:35] *** NightlyUser has joined #haiku[15:15:40] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[15:18:52] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[15:27:05] <eml> Does anyone here code python in haiku?[15:28:05] <eml> I'm googling around a bit trying to find out if there are any bindings for eg. UI development[15:28:33] <oZ]> http://www.bebits.com/app/1564[15:28:55] <leszek> bethon ;)[15:29:10] <leszek> it was updated recently for Haiku I think[15:29:37] <eml> Oh, great! If I'm not mistaken I read that bethon would need some sort of tweak or whatever to suit Haiku better[15:30:00] <eml> This is great news, thank you both[15:30:20] <NightlyUser> they should rename it pyku[15:30:34] <oZ]> Would be a good name.[15:30:48] <oZ]> One of these days, I'll actually get back to working on Perl bindings.[15:31:29] *** dakdagi has joined #haiku[15:31:31] <NightlyUser> mrsunshine is working on D bindings isn't he?[15:31:51] <MrSunshine> aye[15:31:59] <eml> Hey MrSunshine =)[15:32:03] <MrSunshine> eml, yo =)[15:32:06][15:32:08] <NightlyUser> must be a huge project[15:32:14] <MrSunshine> NightlyUser, aye =)[15:32:17] <MrSunshine> C and D bindings =)[15:32:35] <MrSunshine> http://code.google.com/p/habid/[15:32:40] <MrSunshine> and no code generation being done :P[15:32:43] <MrSunshine> im stupid i know =)[15:32:43] <NightlyUser> not a fan of c++ eh?[15:32:47] <MrSunshine> NightlyUser, nop[15:32:52] <MrSunshine> C bindings is needed for D[15:32:56] <MrSunshine> so writing C bindings also =)[15:33:00] <eml> MrSunshine: Have been interested in Haiku since matricks posted a link way back. Have been revisiting the website a few times per year[15:33:14] <MrSunshine> eml, so now your running haiku real hw? :)[15:33:21] <kitallis> ok, so i'm trying to compile rubinius on haiku, and i'm getting some sort of a Troubles reading the ELF header as a runtime_loader error[15:33:29] <kitallis> what could that mean ^[15:33:32] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[15:33:33] <eml> Actually no, I have to find an old PC to run it on. I'm liking what I see from vmware player though[15:33:41] <MrSunshine> eml, old pc?[15:33:45] <MrSunshine> im running it on brand new ones =)[15:33:49] <eml> As in a PC that's not in use[15:33:57] <MrSunshine> hp compaq dual core, quadcore amd etc =)[15:33:59] <oZ]> "Something I don't have to spend more money on". ;)[15:34:03] <eml> Exactly[15:34:04] <MrSunshine> haha :P[15:34:16] <MrSunshine> having the haiku laptop as windows gaming laptop on the side also[15:34:22] <MrSunshine> until i get my quadcorer going again =)[15:34:27] <eml> I don't like dual booting and I'm already doing that on my macbook[15:34:50] <MrSunshine> whatever floats your boat =)[15:35:15] <MrSunshine> its booring that i havent gotten to the graphical stuff of HaikuAPI yet :/[15:35:24] <MrSunshine> just underlaying base classes etc :([15:37:07] <eml> :-)[15:37:57] <eml> I've finally settled on Python, and trying to discipline myself to really learn programming[15:38:21] <eml> After years of failure =)[15:38:26] <MrSunshine> you havent programmed for all these years in #c++.se? :P[15:38:36] <MrSunshine> tho i havent much[15:38:40] <MrSunshine> havent touched c++ for years =)[15:38:56] <MrSunshine> once you go D you never go back[15:39:15] <oZ]> People say that about a lot of languages. ;)[15:39:15] <NightlyUser> i remember making a game in c++[15:39:20] <curlyman> MrSunshine: who's gonna pay you to write D though?[15:39:28] <NightlyUser> never finished it though[15:39:33] <MrSunshine> curlyman, no one as its not what im aiming to do for a job =)[15:39:43] <MrSunshine> and there is companies hiring D programmers =)[15:40:17] <eml> MrSunshine: Kind of funny isn't it? Sure I've programmed some, but I've never been even decent at it. Probably 90% of my talk in c++.se has been off topic :P Most of the programming talk from me has been either PHP or C[15:41:11] <eml> Finally feeling that I'm actually getting something done now, figuring out somewhat good solutions when I write code[15:43:41] *** __goo__ has quit IRC[15:44:22] <MrSunshine> =)[15:45:23] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[15:48:53] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r35878 /haiku/trunk/3rdparty/mmu_man/scripts/dev-perso: export the project top level directory as $DEVPROJ.[16:01:12] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[16:01:45] *** chris_ has quit IRC[16:01:57] <MrSunshine> god damn im tired[16:01:59] <MrSunshine> sigh[16:10:44] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[16:10:47] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[16:12:28] *** |Qeos| has quit IRC[16:13:24] *** Qeos has joined #haiku[16:13:54] *** Animal-X_ is now known as Animal-X[16:14:05] *** OlaHughson has joined #haiku[16:18:22] <mmadia42> kitallis : http://ports.haiku-files.org/browser/haikuports/trunk/dev-lang/ruby/ruby-1.9.1.bep?rev=419[16:18:32] *** tanami has left #haiku[16:19:10] <mmadia42> eml : in addition to BeThon, there's some heavily in progress experiments at a more pythonic API bindinding on bitbucket.[16:22:56] *** saimen has joined #haiku[16:25:20] *** e-jones has quit IRC[16:26:59] *** dakdagi has quit IRC[16:30:57] <eml> pyhaiku hasn't had an update for 1 month :-([16:33:09] *** __goo__ has joined #haiku[16:33:48] <eml> Oh well, time will tell[16:34:33] *** fhein has joined #haiku[16:35:21] *** sprma has quit IRC[16:37:18] *** NegrO0 has joined #haiku[16:37:30] <NegrO0> hi q all[16:37:56] <kitallis> at first i thought it was some kinda pun for haiku --> hi q[16:38:26] <NegrO0> ;)[16:38:29] <kitallis> mmadia42, thanks. now I need to find him[16:39:08] <mmadia42> he's cpr420 and stops in much later in the day.[16:39:52] <kitallis> oh yes, i've seen him around, thanks[16:40:06] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:41:03] <NegrO0> knows some one how i can read the actuall working directory of an application (something like getWorkingDirectory(); )? Is there a API interface for it? And is there a method which is able to change the actual working directory (something like changeDir("/my/working/directory/"))?[16:42:20] <NegrO0> the app i write need some pictures which are stored in a folder... and relative pathes does not work, so i need actual absolute pathes... and i don't like this ^^[16:42:46] <drano> getcwd[16:42:52] *** dakdagi has joined #haiku[16:43:20] <drano> and chdir[16:44:28] <drano> although you should try to not write your app like that. it's not a good idea to go 'changing directories' and stuff. your program isn't a shell or something[16:44:33] <NegrO0> ok thx, is there no native BeOS/Haiku API interface for it? I thought mybe in the Application Kit but i found there nothing[16:44:36] <drano> you should just build the paths on your own[16:44:51] <drano> well those are POSIX functions[16:45:15] <drano> 'changing directories' isn't really a concept you should employ when writing an application with any sort of UI or anything[16:46:45] <NegrO0> what is the working directory of an application after execution? The problem is that my app needs some graphics... and i don't like the idea to reference them with a absolute path[16:46:48] *** fat_rat has quit IRC[16:47:27] <drano> you don't want to work like that, either. apps can be run from any 'working directory'[16:47:42] <drano> what you want is to find out where your executable is (where your app is installed)[16:47:57] <drano> i don't really know much about haiku, but you can usually get the full path to your executable from argv[0][16:48:00] <NegrO0> yes! exactly that![16:49:09] <NegrO0> thats what i was searching, so i don't have to change the directory[16:49:45] <NegrO0> thx... forgot that the app path was in the arguments of the main function :/[16:51:07] <drano> there is probably a "more native" way to do that[16:52:12] <NegrO0> maybe, but for now it's ok on this way :)[16:52:19] <NegrO0> thx again :)[16:53:17] <drano> BApplication::GetAppInfo()[16:53:51] <drano> app_info info; BApplication::GetAppInfo(&info); info.ref.name should contain the path[16:54:02] <drano> or hmm[16:54:07] <drano> the filename within the directory[16:54:16] <drano> (sorry, just looking things up - don't know anything about this, haha)[16:55:33] <NegrO0> BeAppInfo looks like a way... i reading the docs :D[16:56:12] <NegrO0> BeAppFileInfo sound good :)[16:56:44] <drano> well, hopefully i put you on the right track anyway. haha[16:57:55] <NegrO0> yeap and thx 3. times :P[16:59:56] <CIA-50> scottmc * r35879 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Fixed optionalpackage for subversion, this contains the fix discussed in HaikuPorts trac ticket 300, to put the subversion settings folder into ~/home/config/settings/subversion rather than home/subversion.[17:02:21] *** wildur has quit IRC[17:02:39] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:13:23] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[17:18:23] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[17:19:23] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[17:20:58] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[17:26:29] *** saivert has quit IRC[17:32:49] *** Barrett has quit IRC[17:33:37] *** saivert has joined #haiku[17:35:21] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:36:31] *** Kokito has quit IRC[17:36:42] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[17:36:47] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[17:38:30] *** impy has quit IRC[17:38:58] <romulo> im back[17:39:05] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:40:46] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[17:44:43] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:45:21] <kieselsteini> ahh....glib sucks...[17:48:15] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:49:08] <kieselsteini> why is glib so hard to crosscompile :/[17:51:29] <romulo> a library thats made on a non-object-oriented language to be object oriented clearly has some problem[17:52:40] <kieselsteini> hmm i had the idea to use libpurple for some native IM but libpurple depends on glib :([17:52:44] <kieselsteini> i hate glib[17:53:32] <romulo> wait, you trying to compile libpurple?[17:53:49] <mmadia42> kieselsteini : check ports.haiku-files.org[17:54:06] <romulo> kieselsteini, if you are, you stole my idea and im trying to work on it :P[17:54:27] <kieselsteini> hehe romulo sorry :)[17:54:42] <kieselsteini> it was only a rough idea because there's no native IM for Haiku[17:55:07] <oZ]> imkit doesn't work in haiku, i take it?[17:56:11] <mmadia42> last i checked, it compiles, but most of the protocols are suffering bit rot[17:56:18] <mmadia42> msn for example.[17:56:25] <oZ]> ah.[17:57:04] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[17:57:18] <kieselsteini> romulo: have you any code to work on?![17:57:46] <kieselsteini> there's no need to hack on two different IMs for Haiku[17:58:09] <oZ]> unless they're both used as brainstorming sessions to be merged later.[17:58:17] <oZ]> Especially if they're both based on libpurple.[17:58:37] <oZ]> Look at Pidgin and Adium. Same core in both, very different implementation. heh.[17:59:05] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[17:59:12] <kieselsteini> yes...adium is a pefect example for seperating the core and the UI[17:59:16] <kieselsteini> also transmisson ![17:59:38] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[17:59:38] <romulo> not yet[18:00:04] <romulo> going to build libpurple and write the interface over it[18:00:10] <romulo> definetely not using pidgin[18:00:15] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[18:00:21] <kieselsteini> no!!! no!!! no GTK crap in Haiku[18:00:30] <romulo> exactly[18:00:37] <kieselsteini> I love this system because it's so resource friendly[18:00:48] <kieselsteini> and GTK would mess up things in a very bad way[18:00:59] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:01:26] <mmadia> transmission does build on Haiku[18:01:46] <mmadia> we just don't have a native front end.[18:01:47] <kieselsteini> hmm but a native Haiku interface would be nice too[18:02:10] <mmadia> and they do have a nice RPC for interacting with it.[18:02:32] <Auronandace> i'd love a native haiku interface for transmission![18:02:56] <kieselsteini> hmm well if romulo is working on a IM I'll can have a look on Transmission[18:03:19] <romulo> would be good[18:03:32] <romulo> but if libpurple doesnt work, im going to jump in and write something over centerim[18:03:46] <kieselsteini> what's about kopete?![18:04:02] <kieselsteini> afaik the core logic of kopete is in a seperate lib/directory[18:04:05] <kieselsteini> and it's C++[18:04:07] <romulo> i dunno what kopete uses for backend[18:04:14] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35880 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[18:04:14] <CIA-50> Added ring_buffer_get_vecs() that returns iovecs describing the contents of[18:04:14] <CIA-50> the buffer.[18:04:24] <kieselsteini> but I guess they use a lot of KDE specific libs[18:04:34] <kieselsteini> romulo: kopete has it's own backend[18:05:08] <romulo> kieselsteini, but it should depend on a thousand shit :P[18:05:39] <kieselsteini> yes...as I said...I guess it depends on half KDE :D[18:05:42] <CIA-50> stippi * r318 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/WebPositive/ (BrowserWindow.cpp BrowserWindow.h):[18:05:43] <CIA-50> Improvements in bookmark handling:[18:05:43] <CIA-50> * Search for existing bookmarks recursively.[18:05:43] <CIA-50> * Open all bookmarks at once, when the user clicks a bookmark folder in[18:05:43] <CIA-50> the menu (thanks Axel). But do ask for confirmation if there are more[18:05:43] <CIA-50> than ten bookmarks.[18:05:53] <romulo> i will try to see the sources later[18:05:58] <romulo> but i prefer to start with centerim[18:06:02] <romulo> because it *just works*[18:06:07] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:06:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:06:11] <kieselsteini> I don't know centerim[18:06:33] *** __goo__ has quit IRC[18:06:34] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35881 /haiku/trunk/src/system/boot/platform/bios_ia32/devices.cpp:[18:06:34] <CIA-50> Implemented BIOSDrive::WriteAt(). Currently it supports only LBA addressing[18:06:34] <CIA-50> and requires position and size to be block-aligned.[18:06:42] <Auronandace> hey stippi, like the bookmark commits[18:06:52] <Auronandace> well done[18:06:55] <stippi> sure.[18:06:58] <stippi> thanks[18:07:18] <kieselsteini> romulo: http://www.centerim.org/index.php/Requirements hmm...there are no heavy dependencies...looks good[18:07:35] <romulo> exactly[18:10:57] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[18:11:25] *** NegrO0 has quit IRC[18:12:43] <kieselsteini> stippi: where can I find current WebPositive builds ?![18:12:52] <mmadia> mmlr.dyndns.org[18:13:14] <mmadia> to note, that website is being hosted on Haiku :)[18:13:48] <kieselsteini> really?[18:14:00] <mmadia> yup.[18:14:46] <Auronandace> i heard that webpositive is going to be included in the alpha2 release[18:15:08] *** martinhpedersen has joined #haiku[18:16:00] <kieselsteini> are you guys going to the Begeistert con in April ?[18:16:15] <mmadia> me, no. i'm in the US.[18:16:38] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[18:16:43] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[18:16:49] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[18:16:53] <romulo> not me, im from Brazil[18:17:20] <kieselsteini> hehe ok[18:22:47] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[18:26:07] <kieselsteini> romulo: center IM doensn't compile on a first look[18:26:21] <romulo> well, it shouldnt be easy as it sounds of course[18:26:35] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35882 /haiku/trunk/ (18 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)[18:26:35] <CIA-50> * Added Directory::CreateFile() which can be implemented by file systems to[18:26:35] <CIA-50> support file creation.[18:26:35] <CIA-50> * Extended open() and open_from() to support O_CREAT to create files.[18:26:35] <CIA-50> open_from() has got an optional "permissions" parameter for that purpose.[18:26:35] <CIA-50> * Fixed errno. It would crash when being used. Also changed the POSIX functions[18:26:36] <CIA-50> to return their error code via errno as expected.[18:27:41] *** __goo__ has joined #haiku[18:28:15] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[18:28:27] *** jan__64 has joined #haiku[18:29:25] <kieselsteini> I disabled SSL support but the compile process stops because there's a missing header[18:33:31] *** martinhpedersen_ has quit IRC[18:49:25] <__goo__> Regarding the Future Haiku features http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/FutureHaikuFeatures , The part about "Network Preflet Rewrite" , what is a preflet exactly?[18:49:39] <DraX> the configuration/preferences dialog[18:49:47] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:50:32] <__goo__> DraX : ok[18:55:38] *** luroh has quit IRC[18:56:41] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[18:58:14] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:59:05] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[18:59:18] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[19:00:03] <kieselsteini> bye guys :)[19:00:28] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[19:00:59] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:05:43] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:07:46] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[19:12:31] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:13:30] <oZ]> haiku still doesn't support cardbus devices, correct?[19:14:39] *** jan__64 has quit IRC[19:15:41] <kirilla> oZ]: I think you're right[19:15:53] <oZ]> Found a good deal on an old ThinkPad, but it has no ethernet, brainstorming solutions to that problem. ;)[19:16:20] <kirilla> there's the USB-ethernet option, but I don't know if we have any such driver :P[19:16:37] <kirilla> probably not a popular option anyway[19:16:46] <HeTo> I wonder if cardbus Ethernet cards are still sold[19:17:01] <oZ]> I think I saw some usb ethernet drivers for haiku, but I'm willing to bet they require USB 2.0 to even function.[19:17:08] <HeTo> and whether such would be supported by Haiku[19:17:09] <oZ]> I still have four or five cardbus adapters hanging around.[19:17:21] <kirilla> isn't cardbus basically pci-express?[19:17:30] <oZ]> ah well, path of least resistance, i'll probably wait til something better comes along.[19:17:34] <DraX> i think that's expresscard[19:17:35] <oZ]> kirilla: older. PCI.[19:17:39] <kirilla> oh[19:17:41] <oZ]> DraX: correct.[19:17:42] *** noldsel has quit IRC[19:18:22] <kirilla> so is cardbus the 32-bit version of pcmcia?[19:18:35] <kirilla> pccard?[19:18:39] <HeTo> yeah[19:19:21] <oZ]> Yep.[19:19:25] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:19:32] <oZ]> Probably the only thing worth supporting, if such support ever ended up in haiku.[19:20:24] <kirilla> 16-bit is probably out of the question[19:20:39] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[19:21:47] <oZ]> Probably possible, but extremely annoying for little to no benefit.[19:22:32] <kirilla> there was some work done a few years(?) ago, to use some bios feature or some 16 bit hardware.. perhaps it was vesa[19:23:00] <HeTo> what was PCMCIA based on? ISA or ATA or something else?[19:23:05] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:23:14] <oZ]> ISA.[19:24:17] <oZ]> The original standard was built around ISA, but the first incarnation was really just flash devices. It wasn't ATA, though.[19:24:50] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[19:25:42] <__goo__> When i try running Tracker (System->Tracker) it reports an error saying "Cannot open Application Tracker with application Tracker(Invalid Argument)" , does anyone else get the same error[19:26:25] *** kitallis has quit IRC[19:26:31] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[19:26:42] <oZ]> Tracker shouldn't need to be run -- Tracker is your desktop and file manager.[19:26:55] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[19:27:34] <__goo__> Desktop and file manager? how both?[19:27:43] <kirilla> __goo__ multiple windows ;)[19:27:46] <drano> it's the same on windows and mac os x[19:28:04] <drano> explorer on windows is the desktop, taskbar, and file manager[19:28:05] <kirilla> one fullscreen in the background, and others floating on top ::))[19:28:37] <__goo__> ok[19:28:59] <oZ]> OS X is kinda weird, but same situation. 'Dock' is your desktop and task switcher, 'Finder' is your file manager.[19:29:09] <oZ]> All centering around the same idea. Nautilus in Gnome, etc.[19:29:10] <__goo__> ok[19:29:18] <__goo__> Then why is the option to run it given in the menu?[19:29:29] <tqh> real mode bios calls was enabled for vesa mode switching to work.[19:29:39] <oZ]> A good question. I can short answer it by saying "alpha"[19:29:40] <kirilla> __goo__ if it crashes, that option is showed[19:30:24] <__goo__> If it crashes, i would not be able to see the desktop rite[19:30:32] <kirilla> __goo__: if Tracker crashed (the Desktop disapperad, just plain blue, no icons) the menu (Deskbar) will show a menu item to restart Tracker (the Desktop/filemanager)[19:31:03] <__goo__> kirilla: ok[19:31:23] <kirilla> if that menu option fails to restart Tracker, well, that's interesting :P[19:31:36] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:31:44] *** martinhpedersen has quit IRC[19:31:52] <kirilla> It might be in a half-crashed state[19:32:10] *** martinhpedersen has joined #haiku[19:32:13] <kirilla> (to which science does not apply ;)[19:32:21] <__goo__> haha[19:32:59] <romulo> going home[19:33:00] <romulo> cya guys[19:33:02] <romulo> and gals[19:33:03] <kirilla> if you cltr-alt-delete you get a Team Monitor which lets you kill stuff, including a stuck/crashed/hung app[19:33:17] *** romulo has quit IRC[19:33:58] <The123king> is it me or does latest Web+ not work on latest haiku?[19:34:08] <kirilla> there's also the little cpu/memory icon in Deskbar, called ProcessControlelr, which lets you do much the same, and also inspect apps threads, thread priorities and memory usage[19:34:45] <__goo__> kirilla, Well, i cant ctr-alt-del it as i am running it on a VM now[19:35:00] <oZ]> Your VM software should have a 'send ctrl-alt-del' function.[19:35:19] <__goo__> oZ] : I did try that did not work[19:35:25] <__goo__> i am using virtualbox[19:35:27] <kirilla> __goo__: there's often an option in the vm to send that key combo to the vm instance[19:35:36] <oZ]> Your stuff is seriously boned, it seems. ;)[19:35:39] <kirilla> some alternative[19:36:01] <__goo__> oZ] : I could send you a screenshot if you like[19:36:20] <oZ]> I'm probably not as helpful as most in this channel. :)[19:36:42] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:36:51] <kirilla> __goo__: can you open a Terminal from the menu?[19:37:29] <kirilla> __goo__: if you have a Terminal, or can open one, you can type "ps | grep Tracker" and see if it's still lingering[19:38:07] <kirilla> if so, type "kill -9 666" where 666 would be the thread id you find in the ps | grep output[19:38:24] <__goo__> kirilla : Yes terminal works[19:38:27] <kirilla> good[19:38:29] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:38:32] *** oZ] has quit IRC[19:38:42] <kirilla> does 'ps' list any Tracker?[19:38:47] <__goo__> yes[19:39:18] <kirilla> if you kill -9 it, you should be able to restart it, from Deskbar, or by typing /system/Tracker & (iirc)[19:39:28] <__goo__> ok, let me try[19:39:58] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[19:41:33] <__goo__> kirilla : Yea , it restores the Desktop[19:42:01] <kirilla> great :)[19:42:28] <kirilla> of course it shouldn't crash in the first place, but it's possible to recover[19:42:57] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[19:43:02] <__goo__> kirilla: Actually why i was confused was that till now i was right clicking the Haiku icon on Desktop to access Applications :) and was wondering how i would get it again if it disappeared when tracker crashes[19:43:34] <__goo__> kirilla: I wasnt using the deskbar[19:43:37] <kirilla> heh, ok :)[19:43:54] * aldeck believes __goo__ didnt crash tracker[19:43:57] <__goo__> kirilla: bear with me :) i am new to haiku :)[19:44:04] *** sprma has joined #haiku[19:44:16] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[19:44:18] <kirilla> whatever works for you! The right-click drill-down menu is useful for a lot of things.[19:44:18] * __goo__ did crash tracker[19:44:31] <aldeck> __goo_ the message you had was from tracker[19:45:05] <__goo__> aldeck: Do you mean the error message?[19:45:12] <aldeck> yes :)[19:45:31] <aldeck> i think you tried to launch tracker from tracker using the menu navigation[19:45:42] <__goo__> Yes, i did[19:45:46] <aldeck> hence your first message saying ssytem->tracker[19:45:53] <__goo__> That is what i had said earlier[19:46:14] <kirilla> yes, that makes sense now[19:46:17] <aldeck> then it's another problem, but it seems you didn't actually crahs tracker, just had a error messge from it[19:46:28] <__goo__> yes[19:46:34] <aldeck> btw, i can reproduce here :)[19:46:36] <__goo__> i never mentioned i had crashed it[19:46:44] <__goo__> kirilla had asked me to crash tracker to tell me why they had that option[19:46:45] <aldeck> yes :)[19:46:56] <kirilla> I think the error message is confusing though.. It should say something else.. like "Application already running" or some such[19:47:04] *** DmitryM has joined #haiku[19:47:13] <__goo__> kirilla: yea, i agree[19:47:25] <aldeck> kirilla: actually the message shoudln't happen[19:47:31] <aldeck> it's a single lauch app[19:47:33] <kirilla> I thought Tracker was crashed/hung and needed a kill before it could be restarted, since it's a single-instance app[19:48:04] <kirilla> missunderstood __goo__ :)[19:48:08] <aldeck> kirilla: yep, that's why i wanted to clarify :)[19:48:16] <kirilla> oki :)[19:48:38] <aldeck> ie: he wasn't talking about the restart tracker menu item[19:49:29] <__goo__> I'm a bit confused now :)[19:49:30] <aldeck> so we have a bug, trying to start deskbar this way for example works[19:50:27] <kirilla> __goo__: I missunderstood what you were asking and showed you a cure that, while effective, wasn't one you needed :)[19:50:28] <aldeck> __goo__ : right clicking on directories just navigates them, it's not an usual menu[19:51:16] <__goo__> aldeck: ok[19:51:19] <aldeck> __goo__: you right clicked on 'Haiku' right?[19:51:26] <__goo__> aldeck: yes[19:51:30] <aldeck> (the disk icon)[19:51:32] <aldeck> ok :)[19:52:08] <aldeck> __goo__: you should have a quick look at the user guide, it explains all very well[19:52:25] <__goo__> aldeck: ok[19:52:29] <aldeck> but thanks for the bug report anyway[19:52:46] <__goo__> aldeck: It does navigate the folder if double click it also though[19:52:55] <kirilla> In general, the things in /boot/system/apps are the ones you find in the Deskbar menu (the blue leaf, top-right on screen)[19:53:22] <aldeck> __goo__: yes hopefully :)[19:53:51] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[19:54:03] <__goo__> kirilla: ok[19:54:21] <kirilla> __goo__: but the executables directly in the system folder, like Tracker and Deskbar, and the executables in system/servers, are not ones you open/run yourself.. the system does it for you[19:55:24] <__goo__> kirilla: Oh ok, i get it now.[19:55:33] <kirilla> they're mostly always running, since they are system services[19:56:54] <kirilla> __goo__: the right-click navigation menu (off the disk icon.. like C: in windows) will allow navigating to any folder and subfolder .. in absurdum.. and let you open anything, but not everything is interesting (not viewable or runnable)[19:57:43] <__goo__> kirilla: Yea, and unnecessary stuff is shown to the user, it that it?[19:58:08] <kirilla> filesystems are a good way to hide a lot of meaningless files :) and the drill-down menu is a fast way to find such files[19:58:34] <kirilla> files necessary to the system, but uninteresting to the user[19:58:57] <kirilla> feel free to explore though :)[19:59:40] <__goo__> kirilla: Ok, as aldeck suggested let me go through the user guides[19:59:57] <kirilla> __goo__: yes, that's a very good suggestion![19:59:59] <OmniMancer> it was funny when the techsnap guy thought the desktop right click menu was the equivalent of the start menu and was opening everything that way[20:01:06] <aldeck> xfce does that iirc[20:01:21] *** Malediktus has quit IRC[20:01:24] <OmniMancer> yup[20:01:33] <aldeck> or maybe only background right click[20:01:47] <kirilla> we should have a remote desktop tech support thing :))[20:01:51] <OmniMancer> he kept complaining about the navigation you need to run anything :P[20:02:44] <OmniMancer> however I say that if you stole the relevent menu from windows or linux and forced people to dig through the disk with a file browser to run anything[20:03:15] <OmniMancer> then suddenly haiku looks organised :P[20:03:28] <__goo__> True :)[20:08:18] <CIA-50> scottmc * r651 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/openssh/ (patches openssh-5.4p1.bep patches/openssh-5.4p1.patch): initial .bep file for openssh.[20:09:16] *** kitallis has quit IRC[20:11:16] <__goo__> When i kill the process "Tracker" through the terminal, and again start it from the Terminal, why do i get a "Terminal Preferences" dialog? Is it meant to be that way?[20:11:44] <aldeck> __goo__: it's a known issue[20:11:51] <__goo__> ok[20:11:53] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:11:59] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:12:22] <aldeck> preference apps are in the path, and the preflet is named tracker too[20:12:58] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:13:31] <__goo__> ok[20:14:35] <mmadia> EUR donations now accepted via PayPal : http://www.haiku-os.org/community/donating_to_haiku[20:16:44] <__goo__> Its 12:49 AM here , night everyone , signing out[20:17:08] <kirilla> good night __goo__![20:17:24] <aldeck> __goo__dnight[20:17:49] <kirilla> heh[20:17:57] <__goo__> good night kirilla , aldeck :)[20:18:21] <__goo__> aldeck nice one :)[20:18:25] *** __goo__ has left #haiku[20:22:14] <kirilla> mmadia: is it better to have donations in Euro than in Dollars when funding developers in Europe (like stippi currently)?[20:23:13] <PulkoMandy> I think it is if you are european... converting euros to dollars when donating and then dollars back to euro when giving the money to the dev isn't efficient[20:23:15] <mmadia> eehh.. it could go either way. right now we request contracts to denote USD -- though that's mainly for our convenience.[20:23:54] <kirilla> well, I'm European and we still have Swedish crowsn :) aka SEK[20:23:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:24:01] <kirilla> crowns[20:24:11] <mmadia> either way, there are conference reimbursements, money for BG, ...,[20:24:12] *** NegrO0 has joined #haiku[20:24:14] <NegrO0> hi[20:24:17] <PulkoMandy> ah yes ... well ''inside the Euro zone'[20:24:27] <kirilla> heh[20:24:32] <PulkoMandy> but still, it would make only one money conversion instead of two[20:24:43] <mmadia> exactly.[20:24:49] <NegrO0> worked the hole day with haiku alpha 1 and coded the hole day with paladin... and i saw the kernel debugerland just one times :D[20:24:58] <mmadia> and at 2.5%, it takes a decent piece out.[20:25:21] <kirilla> NegrO0: the recent nightlies aren't too shabby either ;)[20:25:48] <kirilla> NegrO0: the alpha 1 is a bit old[20:26:02] <kirilla> http://www.haiku-files.org[20:26:42] <NegrO0> lol i am using BeOS R5 on my workstation :P i like old operating systems *gg*[20:26:49] <kirilla> heh[20:27:10] <kirilla> I finally let ago a few months back[20:27:13] <NegrO0> but will download one of the nightly builds and will try it :)[20:27:31] <kirilla> eh s/let go/what I wrote[20:27:48] <NegrO0> actually i am thinking about replacing R5 with haiku... its runs realy well[20:28:03] *** saivert has quit IRC[20:28:17] <kirilla> there was a rough patch of revisions recently, and there may of course still be issues[20:31:54] *** H_MrSun has joined #haiku[20:32:02] *** tqh has joined #haiku[20:33:28] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35883 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/debug.cpp:[20:33:28] <CIA-50> * Write kernel debugger output to the syslog as well. This should make life[20:33:28] <CIA-50> for people who cannot capture serial output easier.[20:33:28] <CIA-50> * The syslog sender thread waits with timeout now, so output added to the[20:33:28] <CIA-50> syslog buffer without explicit notification is still written after a few[20:33:29] <CIA-50> seconds at the latest.[20:34:23] <HeTo> wasn't kernel debug output always written to syslog?[20:35:28] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:35:57] <CIA-50> bonefish * r35884 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[20:35:57] <CIA-50> Added kernel debug config option KDEBUG_ENABLE_DEBUG_SYSLOG which determines[20:35:57] <CIA-50> the default setting for the "debug syslog" feature (can still be overridden[20:35:57] <CIA-50> in the boot loader). Per default enabled for kdebug level >= 1.[20:36:26] *** saivert has joined #haiku[20:38:40] *** e-jones has joined #haiku[20:40:21] *** e-jones has quit IRC[20:40:58] *** fat_rat has joined #haiku[20:41:24] *** fat_rat has left #haiku[20:44:45] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:46:35] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[20:46:44] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[20:53:51] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[20:55:20] *** impy has joined #haiku[20:55:35] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[20:58:14] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:59:09] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:00:08] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[21:00:20] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[21:04:08] *** kirilla has quit IRC[21:04:43] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[21:07:02] <H_MrSun> I CAN SEE THE FREAKIN END!"[21:07:06] <CIA-50> stippi * r319 /webkit/trunk/WebKit/haiku/API/WebPage.cpp:[21:07:06] <CIA-50> Turn on maintaining visited links. This will make sure we render visited links[21:07:06] <CIA-50> correctly and makes a number of tests pass. For example, ACID3 no longer[21:07:06] <CIA-50> displays "LINKTEST FAILED".[21:07:06] <H_MrSun> WOOOHOOO[21:08:57] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[21:09:16] *** dflemstr has quit IRC[21:09:30] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:10:04] *** McBersaas has joined #haiku[21:10:43] <H_MrSun> and its freakin done except for the damn operators[21:11:03] <H_MrSun> String.cpp ended up almost 700 lines long :P[21:11:13] <H_MrSun> 28kb big ... sigh :P[21:11:13] *** NegrO0 has quit IRC[21:12:09] <H_MrSun> maybe start on a D file for this :P[21:12:32] *** senryu has joined #haiku[21:14:46] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[21:16:29] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[21:17:19] *** VinDuv_ has joined #haiku[21:18:16] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[21:18:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o phoudoin[21:19:18] <phoudoin> Hi[21:21:28] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[21:25:14] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[21:27:59] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[21:28:00] *** yourpalal has joined #haiku[21:28:40] *** OmniMancer has quit 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Russian (Typewriter) keymaps added;[22:30:43] <CIA-50> Basic Belarusian keymap was renamed in correspondence with ISO 963-2.[22:30:46] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:31:59] *** raichoo has joined #haiku[22:33:39] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[22:34:15] *** dakdagi has quit IRC[22:34:24] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:34:30] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[22:35:14] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[22:35:53] <lancel00t> just wondering, is there any way to make qemu 0.11 run xp any faster? it's painfully slow[22:37:19] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:37:35] <kirilla> lancel00t: in haiku?[22:38:00] <kirilla> qemu running xp, on top of Haiku, I mena[22:38:01] <kirilla> mean[22:38:11] <lancel00t> kirilla: yes in haiku. i am generally interested in haiku's virtualisation abilities in general as well...[22:38:22] <kirilla> I don't think that has seen any work yet[22:38:41] <kirilla> which is probably why xp is slow[22:38:52] <lancel00t> ok[22:38:57] <PulkoMandy> I tought we had some incarnation of kqemu ?[22:39:25] <lancel00t> you do, but I haven't noticed a significant difference between the two, if a difference at all.[22:39:26] <MrSunshine> lancel00t, give it higher priority ? :)[22:39:53] <lancel00t> I was mainly wondering if smp manipulation could help the situation[22:39:57] <kirilla> I was completely unaware of that, PulkoMandy[22:40:16] <kirilla> strange[22:40:51] <Kokito> stargater, I am now. what's up?[22:41:08] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[22:41:53] *** Kroki has quit IRC[22:43:59] *** vooshy has quit IRC[22:45:20] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[22:46:50] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:51:46] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[22:54:25] *** Barrett_ has quit IRC[22:55:27] *** mmlr_mc has joined #haiku[22:56:03] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[22:58:43] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[23:02:08] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[23:03:35] <CIA-50> scottmc * r652 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/openssh/openssh-5.4p1.bep: changed checksum value.[23:05:13] *** stargater has quit IRC[23:05:13] *** Disreali has quit IRC[23:05:39] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[23:08:06] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:08:16] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:11:23] *** yourpalal has quit IRC[23:11:39] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[23:14:50] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:14:57] *** raichoo has quit IRC[23:22:13] *** dflemstr has joined #haiku[23:28:13] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:28:46] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[23:30:10] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[23:31:26] *** markos_ has quit IRC[23:31:49] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[23:32:23] <luroh> mmlr_mc: i have extracted a haiku-image from a haiku-anyboot.image, and with some pointers from folks along with your makebootable blog post, it now also boots[23:32:28] *** Qeos has quit IRC[23:32:43] <luroh> however, my little noobish script makes a couple of bold assumptions that i wanted to run by you[23:33:29] <luroh> first, is it safe to assume that the partition offset for the bfs image will remain 0x400000?[23:33:35] <mmlr_mc> nope[23:33:43] <luroh> ok[23:33:47] <mmlr_mc> it has to be read from the partition table[23:33:59] <luroh> ok, will do[23:34:11] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[23:34:14] *** brobostigon_ has joined #haiku[23:34:19] <mmlr_mc> the 32bit value at 512-2-4*16+8[23:34:26] *** jmayfiel1 has quit IRC[23:34:32] *** noisetonepause has quit IRC[23:34:34] <mmlr_mc> which is in 512byte blocks[23:34:43] <luroh> yes[23:40:22] <luroh> mmlr_mc: when first making the extracted image bootable by using a hex editor, i found that it was enough to change a 0x20 to 0x00 at offset 506. is it safe to assume that will remain the case in the future?[23:40:56] <mmlr_mc> well that's the partition offset[23:41:03] <luroh> (or do i need to write more 0x00s?)[23:41:14] <luroh> yes[23:41:16] <mmlr_mc> it's the same as the partition offset in the mbr[23:41:24] <mmlr_mc> it's a 32bit value as well[23:41:35] <luroh> ok, same story there then[23:41:42] <mmlr_mc> for extracted images it always is 0 of course[23:41:49] <luroh> yes[23:41:55] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:43:38] *** brobostigon_ has quit IRC[23:44:24] *** santafe has quit IRC[23:45:41] <luroh> mmlr_mc: lastly, i noticed that although the offsets had been adjusted, the md5sums for an extracted haiku.image and a "properly" built one don't match. they start to differ at offset 16412[23:46:21] <luroh> is this a cause of concern at all, considering that mmadia might want to provide raw images derived from anyboot images?[23:46:43] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:47:00] <mmlr_mc> it depends on how they were built[23:47:05] <mmadia> well, it'd be nice to have instructions or a script for extracting it.[23:47:41] <mmlr_mc> if the raw ones were built before the anyboot ones without clearing anything the images should be the same really[23:48:10] <mmlr_mc> if anything is rebuilt in between it is to be expected that they differ[23:48:24] <mmlr_mc> already the timestamps inside the fs would be different[23:49:05] <mmlr_mc> the difference doesn't matter though, an image extracted this way is a perfectly fine raw image[23:49:19] <luroh> ok, that's good[23:49:48] <mmlr_mc> except for the partition offset the anyboot tool doesn't change anything in the image[23:49:54] *** noisetonepause has joined #haiku[23:50:14] <luroh> right[23:51:19] <mmlr_mc> how to extract the partition offset from a shell script though?[23:51:37] <luroh> well, it ain't pretty ;)[23:53:40] *** DraX has quit IRC[23:53:56] *** DraX has joined #haiku[23:54:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[23:57:18] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[23:58:42] *** Andrius has quit IRC