March 15, 2010 
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March 15, 2010 [00:00:07] <mmlr_mc> see: http://www.bitsofnews.com/images/graphics/beos/haiku_vlc.jpg[00:00:17] <mmlr_mc> that was also pre-new-icons[00:00:24] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:00:27] *** helf|laptop has quit IRC[00:00:34] <mmlr_mc> and you're bitching about it now ;-)[00:00:52] <os_not_found> im not bitching[00:01:05] <os_not_found> i realize that it has improved[00:01:15] <os_not_found> but it still has to improve[00:01:41] *** genkie has quit IRC[00:01:56] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[00:02:08] <stargater> haiku have a nice gui[00:02:48] <stargater> haiku needs more user interface style guide[00:03:01] <stargater> and more developers and icons designer[00:03:08] <os_not_found> it looks like a paper[00:03:11] <os_not_found> plain[00:03:16] <os_not_found> no shadows[00:03:24] <stargater> and this is good[00:03:34] <os_not_found> no 3d effect like windows buuton has[00:03:43] *** romulo has joined #haiku[00:03:48] *** vooshy has quit IRC[00:03:48] <stargater> win7 and mac os x is a candy os[00:03:51] <mmlr_mc> I actually think that is by design[00:03:57] <os_not_found> a button in win look like a button[00:03:58] <stargater> but i need a os to work[00:04:16] <os_not_found> in haiku looks like a rectangle with borders[00:04:24] <HeTo> Haiku has more of a 3d style in buttons than current Windows :-P[00:04:24] <stargater> then is mac os your playground[00:04:45] <romulo> lol[00:04:47] <os_not_found> yeah[00:05:09] <os_not_found> after burning 20 times bootcd[00:05:17] <os_not_found> i got tired of trying[00:05:20] <HeTo> but 3d-styled UI elements have been going out of fashion since the 90s[00:05:28] <os_not_found> to install hackintosh[00:05:39] <os_not_found> no 3d[00:05:54] <os_not_found> but a "volume" look[00:06:10] <H_MrSun> is there any program or something i can edit attrs on a file with ?[00:06:12] <os_not_found> that tells you is button[00:06:31] <os_not_found> and not rectangle with borders[00:06:40] <kirilla> H_MrSun: DiskProbe[00:06:44] <diogen> Haiku UI is just fine for non-accelerated user desktop (IMO). When Haiku gets openGL accelerated stuff - here we go. someone could implement all those fancy stuff later. Haiku already a very good-looking now, with gradients and changing colors of the Tabs and widgets (buttons etc)[00:06:56] <HeTo> well, I'd say Haiku buttons look more like real-world buttons than current Windows or Mac OS X buttons[00:07:02] <stargater> so i need a littel bit coding and sleeping then, n8[00:07:12] <romulo> i wonder if its only me or usb mouse acceleration is weird[00:07:21] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:07:32] <kirilla> H_MrSun: iirc it's limited to editing the current attributes, and that it can't extend string attributes[00:07:32] <os_not_found> i there any ide for haiku[00:07:33] <OmniMancer> why do people want all OSs to look the same[00:07:43] <OmniMancer> paladin works[00:08:04] <H_MrSun> kirilla, but i want to add some, isnt there a program for that ?[00:08:21] <os_not_found> haiku is good place to start program beacuse of it simplicity[00:08:22] <kirilla> H_MrSun: the command line tools work ;)[00:08:30] <l_n> OmniMancer: because they are resistant to change and have been told "foo is what an OS *should* look like".[00:08:30] <H_MrSun> yeah but names?[00:08:44] <kirilla> H_MrSun: addattr, listattr, catattr, rmattr[00:08:46] <kirilla> iirc[00:08:58] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[00:09:05] <os_not_found> any ide for haiku[00:09:10] <HeTo> H_MrSun: or add the attributes to the file type[00:09:34] <os_not_found> thats a good think of haiku its simple api[00:09:42] <H_MrSun> yeey, BNode works in D =)[00:09:51] <H_MrSun> it seems :P[00:10:03] <os_not_found> linux is weird mix of libraries[00:10:12] <kirilla> os_not_found: http://www.haikuware.com/[00:10:42] <os_not_found> windows apis intend to everything for the programer[00:10:51] *** PacoLinux has quit IRC[00:10:52] <os_not_found> do you agree with me?[00:11:03] <os_not_found> what os is best to start coding[00:11:16] <romulo> windows api is meant to be compatible, and that makes it a horrible thing[00:11:24] <os_not_found> yeah[00:11:27] <l_n> os_not_found: one that has an API that you can understand.[00:11:28] <AlienSoldier> os_not_found amiga OS 3.1[00:11:39] <romulo> you create a window today in the same way you created those for 3.1[00:11:54] <os_not_found> wow[00:12:16] <os_not_found> i mean a modern os[00:12:20] <l_n> hasn't the BeAPI remained pretty stable from BeOS->Zeta->Haiku ?[00:12:29] <AlienSoldier> it is modern, or you can try contiki[00:12:37] <romulo> BeOS is alot better than windows[00:12:41] <romulo> to start of, C++ not C[00:12:51] <os_not_found> why not c[00:13:10] <romulo> nothing against C, but C++ is waaaaaaaaaaay better[00:13:14] <os_not_found> yeah[00:13:19] <romulo> C tends to become bloated[00:13:30] <MrBlueSky> romulo: Weird, I've heard the opposite.[00:13:31] <romulo> you must be very very very careful before doing anything[00:13:39] <os_not_found> haiku linux or bsd[00:13:41] <MrBlueSky> romulo: Though I don't know either language very indepth at all.[00:13:41] <romulo> MrBlueSky: i didnt heard it, i tried it.[00:13:45] <l_n> non-OOP requires more boilerplate, no?[00:13:52] <os_not_found> whats the best plataform to code[00:14:00] <romulo> im a professional C++ Programmer, and i spent years doing C programming too[00:14:06] <os_not_found> so ...[00:14:13] <romulo> os_not_found: theres no better. The best one is the one you feel confortable[00:14:18] <romulo> os_not_found: you have any experience in programming?[00:14:21] <MrBlueSky> romulo: What do you think of that linus torvalds rant against C++?[00:14:29] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:14:32] <romulo> Torvalds is an idiot, thats my opinion[00:14:36] <MrBlueSky> Haha[00:14:44] *** NightlyUser has quit IRC[00:14:45] <mmlr_mc> it really depends on how you use it[00:14:56] <romulo> Search for the samba case between him and other developers, and then his rants against anything else[00:15:02] <H_MrSun> yeah, BNode seems to work perfectly =)[00:15:05] <H_MrSun> damn im good :)[00:15:10] <os_not_found> at least he is not a extremist like richard stallman[00:15:15] <kirilla> heh :) congrats H_MrSun[00:15:16] <romulo> he is[00:15:16] <os_not_found> or is it?[00:15:29] <H_MrSun> now only like 355 files left, and that X2 :P[00:15:32] <romulo> try to search why he created GIT[00:15:35] <os_not_found> that think of forbiding a language?[00:15:40] <mmlr_mc> C can be clean, but you easily hit cases that would be cleaner solved with object orentation[00:15:46] <os_not_found> that thing of forbiding a language[00:15:49] <mmlr_mc> C++ can be clean as well with a reasonable design[00:15:54] <mmlr_mc> but you can overdo everything[00:15:57] <mmlr_mc> see boost for example[00:16:02] <romulo> boost is awesome[00:16:04] <os_not_found> he is going really far[00:16:06] <romulo> really awesome[00:16:50] <mmlr_mc> It's a bit over the top for my taste, but that's maybe just me[00:16:56] <H_MrSun> just noticed that BString is one of the huger classes also, have to tackle that one tomorrow =)[00:17:26] <os_not_found> where is the java port source[00:17:30] <romulo> what disc size are you guys using to develop haiku?[00:17:36] <H_MrSun> BString& Truncate(int32 newLength, bool lazy = true); <-- these functions, do they return a new object of type BString ?[00:17:40] <romulo> i dunno if my 8gb can hold it well[00:17:59] <mmlr_mc> heh, I'm running it on a 1TB disk here ;-)[00:18:00] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:18:06] <os_not_found> virtual vmware hs[00:18:09] <os_not_found> virtual vmware hd[00:18:19] <H_MrSun> i have a fully compiled haiku on disk, /boot bfs 61.2G 47.9G QAM-P-W /dev/disk/ata/0/master/1_1[00:18:24] <os_not_found> if i run out space i just expand it[00:18:36] <H_MrSun> and some installed apps[00:18:45] <romulo> hmm[00:18:53] <romulo> i also have a 60gb lying around, will use it[00:19:06] <romulo> but i still get the sluggish mouse pointer :P[00:19:15] <H_MrSun> real hw![00:19:16] <romulo> feels weird, dunno why. Maybe vmware fault[00:19:21] <os_not_found> 60 gb[00:19:24] <os_not_found> !!![00:19:25] <kirilla> should building haiku on haiku work within 8gb?[00:19:35] <mmlr_mc> yeah, should be enough[00:19:36] <kirilla> shouldn't, I mean[00:19:42] <romulo> im not building haiku, just stuff for it[00:19:49] <kirilla> then you're fine[00:19:49] <H_MrSun> nah gnite people, atleast got one class bound today =)[00:19:50] <romulo> trying to get that damn libpurple to compile[00:19:54] <romulo> and start a im client.[00:20:03] <os_not_found> how do you fill those 60 gb[00:20:20] <romulo> wish i had a better base for it, but telepathy depends on dbus[00:20:30] <os_not_found> there are not a plenty of haiku/beos apps[00:20:40] <kirilla> os_not_found: so make one ;)[00:20:56] <os_not_found> and its apps ares not more than 100 mb in size[00:21:17] <os_not_found> which is a thing a like[00:21:29] <os_not_found> is not so easy to run out of space[00:21:33] <kirilla> I wonder how apps get that large[00:21:57] <romulo> data.[00:22:15] <os_not_found> there apps of 6.5 gb in windows[00:22:26] <romulo> there are games of 20gb on my hd[00:22:35] <MrBlueSky> Dayum[00:22:44] <mmlr_mc> itunes is 93mb as packed download[00:22:48] <os_not_found> games are completely diferent thing[00:22:50] <mmlr_mc> and it doesn't really bring much data[00:23:04] <mmlr_mc> it likely brings a whole os with it in the background though[00:23:13] <os_not_found> 3d files charecter assets[00:23:19] <os_not_found> make them large[00:23:52] <os_not_found> but i dont understan why normal apps so large[00:24:09] <os_not_found> get so large[00:24:32] *** diogen has quit IRC[00:24:33] <MrSunshine> os_not_found, cause no one cares about size or footprint anymore[00:24:33] <romulo> bundled stuff maybe[00:24:41] <romulo> and that too :D[00:24:42] <MrSunshine> machines get faster and more capable of holding data[00:24:44] <l_n> because people have forgotten the "do one thing and do it well" philosophy. so all applications become bloated with ridiculous features that 90% of never get used..[00:24:48] <MrSunshine> so they just keep writing crap code[00:24:54] <os_not_found> yeah[00:24:59] <romulo> like Linux![00:25:00] <MrSunshine> making apps today feel more sluggish then apps 5 years ago[00:25:03] * romulo scores[00:25:11] <MrSunshine> romulo, *high five*[00:25:18] <l_n> romulo++[00:25:21] <os_not_found> something like[00:25:26] <os_not_found> libprint[00:25:31] <os_not_found> libprintmessage[00:25:41] <os_not_found> libcharacter[00:25:52] <MrSunshine> just wait until the onslaught of D programs comes to Haiku =)[00:25:57] <MrSunshine> wosh will we have good apps then! :P[00:25:57] <os_not_found> today apps are just a mash up of libs[00:26:06] <l_n> D?[00:26:11] <MrSunshine> but willt ake a couple of years to write these damn bindings :P[00:26:17] <MrSunshine> l_n, programming language[00:26:21] <l_n> the language or something else?[00:26:34] <os_not_found> with a lot of functions that the app will never use[00:26:41] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:27:08] <romulo> someone told me here another day that it had a msn client running on console...who was it?[00:27:42] <os_not_found> what differences d from c[00:27:44] <os_not_found> ?[00:27:54] <vooshy> twas me[00:28:23] <MrSunshine> os_not_found, D is object oriented, has a GC and is pure awsome =)[00:28:37] <os_not_found> ooh[00:28:38] *** santafe is now known as Szikla_Szilard[00:28:43] <os_not_found> i want it[00:28:43] <vooshy> pebrot installs ok on haiku[00:28:44] <os_not_found> i want it[00:28:54] <MrSunshine> its like a better language, that is simpler to program but still holds the power of C/C++[00:28:54] <os_not_found> how i can code in d[00:29:15] <MrSunshine> os_not_found, download the ldc + tango compiler from haikuware, but im not done with the HaikuAPI bindings yet :)[00:29:27] *** Szikla_Szilard has left #haiku[00:29:28] <MrSunshine> and the programs compiled crashes on exit :P[00:29:31] <MrSunshine> for some strange reason[00:29:43] <MrSunshine> havent had time to sort that out as they run fine when they run =)[00:29:46] <os_not_found> i always wanted something withe power of c with the simplicity of java[00:29:52] <os_not_found> maybe d is the answer[00:30:11] <MrSunshine> i started using it and have not looked back to c++ ever since =)[00:30:14] <os_not_found> ?[00:30:17] <MrSunshine> the tango library is VERY powerfull[00:30:22] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:30:40] <os_not_found> first i have to down haiku[00:30:53] <MrSunshine> and on haiku we get power of tango for everything but the GUI then the power of HaikuAPI for the gui =)[00:30:55] <MrSunshine> win win! =)[00:31:04] <MrSunshine> os_not_found, there is ldc for linux =)[00:31:22] <MrSunshine> ldc + tango for haiku is my port of it =) not fully working yet that either, network stuff etc isnt working[00:31:52] <os_not_found> i have neither haiku nor linux[00:32:12] <os_not_found> im in the process of installing the both on vmware[00:32:53] <os_not_found> start with ldc haiku or ldc linux?[00:33:12] <l_n> lunix will only frustrate you if you have no experience with it.[00:33:42] <os_not_found> lunix???[00:33:52] <os_not_found> now three oses[00:33:54] <l_n> pejorative for linux..[00:33:56] <os_not_found> jaaaaaaaaj[00:35:11] <MrBlueSky> Any recommendations for GUI programming using python on Haiku?[00:35:19] <os_not_found> so i should start wihth haiku d?[00:36:08] <os_not_found> it so hard to decide where to start[00:36:13] <l_n> hrmm LUnix is a real OS for the C64[00:36:38] <os_not_found> LINUX![00:36:39] <DraX> MrBlueSky: there is bethon[00:36:50] <os_not_found> stop that lunix thing[00:37:00] <l_n> os_not_found: seriously.. if you want a unix-like os, i would choose a bsd variant[00:37:15] <l_n> they are much more sane in the way they are developed.[00:37:30] <l_n> and you don't have the pesky gpl virus following you around.[00:37:31] <MrBlueSky> DraX: Interesting. Any cross-platform gui libs that also work on BeOS?[00:37:37] <MrBlueSky> or is there just bethon?[00:37:56] <os_not_found> but not so devloped and user friendly[00:38:15] <os_not_found> i like gpl[00:38:26] <os_not_found> because it gives me total freedome[00:38:42] <os_not_found> and still use propetary soft[00:38:58] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[00:39:17] <romulo> gpl sucks :P[00:39:21] <romulo> mit rlz[00:39:22] <l_n> os_not_found: erm.. the gpl forces any programs that include any code from a gpl'ed program to be gpl'ed.[00:39:30] <DraX> MrBlueSky: just bethon as far as i know[00:39:31] <l_n> mit || bsd || pd[00:39:36] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[00:39:39] <romulo> exactly[00:39:41] <l_n> those are all better than gpl[00:39:55] <os_not_found> so people would not trade with my code[00:40:04] <DraX> forced freedom is not freedom at all[00:40:07] <os_not_found> im not coding for money[00:40:20] <os_not_found> im coding just to help[00:40:29] <l_n> gpl v. <all_other_oss_licenses> is an ethical/moral argument.[00:40:46] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:40:51] <DraX> well there are other licenses that do what the gpl does[00:41:09] <DraX> at least what the lgpl does[00:41:10] <os_not_found> bsd is too liberal[00:41:33] <CIA-50> mmadia * r35863 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:[00:41:33] <CIA-50> Updated BeZillaBrowser optional packages. Built on r35860. Uses internal libpng[00:41:33] <CIA-50> and Haiku's libjpeg & libz.[00:41:55] <os_not_found> my library program could end up in company[00:42:00] <l_n> if you're going to share the source of your program, why do you want to restrict what others can do with it?[00:42:01] <vooshy> mmadia: thanks, for the update it was bugging me[00:42:16] <os_not_found> ill would be doing the job for him[00:42:24] <mmadia> what, the complete lack of png support?[00:42:26] <l_n> os_not_found: so what?[00:42:27] <mmadia> :P[00:42:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:42:59] <l_n> if you write something as a hobby, your reward is the enjoyment you get writing the program..[00:43:10] <os_not_found> yes[00:43:14] <romulo> exactly[00:43:17] <os_not_found> thats the reason[00:43:23] <romulo> its proved that ppl that contribute are ppl who LIKE it[00:43:36] <l_n> as long as you get credit for the code, who cares where it ends up?[00:43:42] <os_not_found> that i dont want my libary in the hand of company[00:43:45] <romulo> yeah, exactly[00:43:52] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:43:57] <os_not_found> ill be working for him[00:44:01] <os_not_found> inderctly[00:44:13] <os_not_found> and it wouldnt be hobby[00:44:18] <romulo> no[00:44:22] <romulo> you dont take orders from them[00:44:25] <romulo> neither do what they want[00:44:39] <romulo> GPL restricts your "freedom"[00:44:51] <os_not_found> no it protects me[00:45:06] <l_n> you use libs, no? somebody else had to write those.. do you tell that person what to do with their code? no. you just "borrow" it.[00:45:12] <romulo> you spend years doing something, release as MIT. Some jerk download your code, write a nice tihng over it and release it as GPL. Damn, you cant sell it.[00:45:17] <os_not_found> i dont want to do a companys work[00:45:45] <os_not_found> they should hire their employees and spend money[00:45:55] <os_not_found> not just "steal' my code[00:46:14] <romulo> if you licensed as bsd/mit/whatever you dont mind they use it for whatever[00:46:27] <os_not_found> i mind[00:46:36] <romulo> so release as gpl[00:46:39] <romulo> and be happy[00:46:57] <l_n> windows has bsd code in it (or at least it used to (the tcp/ip stack)).. nobody got hurt by that..[00:47:00] <mmlr_mc> what's the point of buying it from the jerk if the customer could just get it from your code as well?[00:48:20] <romulo> thats not what i meant[00:48:43] <l_n> using open source libraries in commercial software simply increases the efficiency of the production of commercial software.. and as long as you get credit for the code they borrowed, who cares if they didn't want to reinvent the wheel, so to speak?[00:48:50] <os_not_found> because eithet im a employee and work to code for company or im not their employee and they wont get any code[00:48:52] <romulo> i meant, you write your happy code, as MIT. Someone write something from it and re-release as GPL. Then you cant have your work back because its already "locked" in GPL.[00:49:19] <mmlr_mc> yeah, that sucks[00:49:28] <os_not_found> i just grab the gpl[00:49:30] <os_not_found> source[00:49:37] <os_not_found> and convert to gpl[00:49:44] <mmlr_mc> there are companies who do sell gpl stuff though[00:49:51] <mmlr_mc> gpl doesn't disallow that at all[00:49:54] <romulo> yeah[00:50:21] <os_not_found> romulo[00:50:31] <os_not_found> as long i get credit ... and money[00:50:56] <mmlr_mc> you don't get money from gpl code either if it's used as part of some bigger gpl project a company sells[00:51:41] <os_not_found> so if wont get money the i wont allow it to use in propietary soft[00:51:45] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[00:52:01] <os_not_found> no money libs with no money soft[00:52:15] <romulo> jesus, and no world goes on.[00:52:28] <romulo> thats why linux suck so much yet. 15 years and still the same shit.[00:52:29] <os_not_found> money libs with commercials soft[00:52:50] <mmlr_mc> forcing everyone to reinvent the wheel[00:52:58] <romulo> exactly[00:53:02] <mmlr_mc> producing several different codebases all slightly incompatible[00:53:08] <romulo> yeah[00:53:18] <romulo> we end up with a thousand distros[00:53:24] <romulo> doing the same problems over and over again[00:53:25] <os_not_found> is there like 300 distros[00:54:15] <romulo> all of them suck :D[00:54:18] <os_not_found> that the bad side[00:54:19] <l_n> yeah.. most of them variants of the first 4 or 5[00:54:23] <os_not_found> of liberty[00:54:29] <romulo> I've been using linux since 1999, and believe me. Its still the same[00:54:41] <os_not_found> fooprogram+ubuntuXrevison[00:54:45] <l_n> gpl is *not* freedom.. i used to be a gpl/rms supporter, but then i pulled my head out of my ass and read the license.[00:54:55] <romulo> exactly the same to me[00:55:00] *** santafe has joined #haiku[00:55:05] *** santafe has left #haiku[00:55:11] <romulo> freedom is only freedom when you do WHATEVER you want[00:55:12] <os_not_found> instead of using a version without modifcaation\[00:55:29] <os_not_found> yeah[00:55:34] <os_not_found> i was wrong with respect with gpl[00:55:38] <OmniMancer1> what about mit?[00:55:39] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[00:55:46] <os_not_found> maybe bsd[00:55:47] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[00:56:02] <l_n> i'm a fan of "do what you want, just give me credit for it" licenses.[00:56:07] <os_not_found> yes[00:56:14] <OmniMancer1> doing whatever you want is not proper freedom[00:56:28] <OmniMancer1> atleast the license must give credit for work done[00:56:34] <os_not_found> i exagerated the companys cuestion[00:57:02] <OmniMancer1> since being able to steal work is bad[00:57:11] <os_not_found> yeah[00:57:14] <OmniMancer1> even public domian prohibits you from calling it your own[00:57:34] <romulo> yeah[00:58:49] <os_not_found> some times freedom is bad[00:59:29] <OmniMancer1> also sony has violated several copyrights before in their copyright protection thing :P[00:59:34] <os_not_found> linux distros end up being a monument to the developer pride[01:00:01] <os_not_found> and they reinvent the wheel[01:00:11] <OmniMancer1> indeed[01:00:19] <OmniMancer1> what is the mit license avtually like?[01:00:23] <OmniMancer1> actually*[01:00:29] <romulo> do whatever you want, keep the credits[01:00:34] <romulo> the author is not responsible for the damage[01:00:35] <romulo> thats it.[01:00:42] <os_not_found> no distro use a standard version of anything[01:00:57] <os_not_found> always a distro revision[01:01:10] <romulo> yeah, to make your valuable "Customers" Happy[01:01:14] <os_not_found> glibc+ubuntuXYZ[01:01:43] <os_not_found> so there awesome distros[01:01:47] <os_not_found> bad distros[01:02:12] <os_not_found> but no complete linux[01:02:16] <romulo> no, there are only bad distros :P[01:02:33] <os_not_found> linux mint is bad?[01:02:45] <romulo> yes[01:02:57] <os_not_found> just catch users[01:03:07] <mmlr_mc> doesn't that heavily depend on what your usecase is?[01:03:11] <romulo> its powered by stallman physolophy and torvald code. It cant work right.[01:03:43] <os_not_found> that doesent pay ,code , or be any of any use for the distro[01:04:08] <os_not_found> or linux devlopement[01:04:20] <os_not_found> but they want to atract userr[01:04:28] <romulo> the distros want, torvald doesnt[01:04:41] <romulo> When they suggest anything to torvald, he always deny[01:04:44] <os_not_found> My Distro is great . im a GREAT CODER[01:04:50] <os_not_found> USE it[01:05:04] <os_not_found> i invented my own c libraryh[01:05:05] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[01:05:08] <os_not_found> desktop\[01:05:09] *** vooshy has quit IRC[01:05:12] <os_not_found> install[01:05:25] <os_not_found> My DIsTRO is GREAT[01:05:57] <romulo> is it based on linux?[01:06:03] <os_not_found> thats the bad side of being able to modify without restriction[01:06:03] <OmniMancer1> I prefer to have an OS that works properly :P[01:06:39] <os_not_found> all the devs of linux distros[01:06:44] <os_not_found> are like that[01:07:05] <os_not_found> why no not to fusion all the disros[01:07:19] <os_not_found> in to ono thing linux\[01:07:34] <os_not_found> in to one thing called linux\[01:08:03] <os_not_found> Linux not YetAnotherDistro GNU/linux[01:08:05] <OmniMancer1> or atleast put development of the parts into one central spot so that benefits are shared[01:08:28] <os_not_found> or maybe a single linux specification[01:08:56] <os_not_found> what thing should any linux distro have[01:09:32] <romulo> that will not happen[01:09:38] <romulo> because distros can create autonomy[01:09:45] <romulo> and then ppl start saying what other ppl should do[01:10:31] <os_not_found> or that some component would need to be present in all distro[01:10:46] *** mmlr_mc has quit IRC[01:10:56] <os_not_found> all distros with deb manager[01:11:07] <os_not_found> for example[01:12:12] <l_n> actually, there was an attempt at standardizing linux.. Linux Standard Base.. also, along with POSIX, you have the SUS (Single Unix Specification), which determines what is required for an operating system to be called "Unix"[01:12:35] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:12:43] <l_n> all three of which are usually completely disregarded as superfluous suggestions.[01:12:48] <l_n> ;)[01:13:03] <os_not_found> yeah but thera are different atemptss to follow sus and posix[01:13:23] <os_not_found> why not single linux specification[01:13:28] *** helf has quit IRC[01:13:51] <os_not_found> mhm[01:13:56] <l_n> again, see Linux Standard Base and the complete disregarding thereof.[01:14:07] <os_not_found> ok[01:14:24] <os_not_found> what about haiku[01:14:43] <os_not_found> people will start forking out code[01:14:50] <os_not_found> and make a mess[01:15:15] <os_not_found> altough that could help to develop haiku[01:15:22] <mmadia> as long as they respect the trademarks, we can't stop them.[01:15:41] *** Kokito has quit IRC[01:16:29] <l_n> to use the name "Haiku", if i understand the trademark licensing correctly, you have to follow very strict requirements and have your work approved by the haiku devs.[01:16:49] <os_not_found> yeah[01:17:09] <l_n> which will discourage the "distro" problem that lunix has.[01:17:31] <os_not_found> to use the trademark[01:17:42] <os_not_found> but no the code\[01:17:46] <os_not_found> hi-ku[01:17:51] <os_not_found> Xku[01:17:59] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:18:05] <os_not_found> Feather Power[01:18:42] <os_not_found> i can think up many ways to refernece haiku without using the trademark[01:19:01] <os_not_found> OpenBeosReloaded[01:19:08] <stpere> heh[01:19:31] <Xeon3D> then you're going to use the beos trademark :P[01:19:45] <Xeon3D> what about : whatzetashouldhavebeen ?[01:19:52] <os_not_found> well that is not a option[01:19:59] <OmniMancer1> :P[01:20:16] <os_not_found> BPowerful[01:20:17] <OmniMancer1> however it does help discourage the million distros[01:20:27] <OmniMancer1> GoBePoweful :P[01:20:33] <OmniMancer1> GoBeUseful[01:20:58] <os_not_found> my distro GNU/Be[01:21:15] <l_n> again, Be is owned by Access, Inc.[01:21:17] <os_not_found> Btransparent[01:21:21] <os_not_found> B3d[01:21:22] <l_n> as of right now..[01:21:26] <os_not_found> D-DJ[01:21:30] <os_not_found> B-DJ[01:21:42] <os_not_found> B-Reliable[01:21:49] <os_not_found> for corporate use[01:21:59] <OmniMancer1> would it just being part of the name and not actually a trademark work?[01:22:01] <os_not_found> my distro GNU/B[01:22:10] <os_not_found> b is not owned[01:22:15] <OmniMancer1> l_n: would GoBeUseful be infringing on a copyright?[01:22:20] <os_not_found> no[01:22:33] <OmniMancer1> aside from the fact that a company called gobe does or once did exist :P[01:22:39] <l_n> OmniMancer1: probably the GoBe Productive stuff...[01:22:48] <os_not_found> but b sound like be[01:22:49] <l_n> they still exist AFAIK[01:23:48] <os_not_found> PowerOs B/Hku\[01:23:51] <os_not_found> PowerOs B/Hku[01:24:12] <os_not_found> its good way to avoid trademark problems[01:24:13] <OmniMancer1> if its one word it would not be a trademark or copyright though would it?[01:24:18] <l_n> ugh. brain failure. i can't remember how to read a multi-word string in C/C++[01:24:21] <OmniMancer1> GoProductiveBe :P[01:24:30] <OmniMancer1> huh?[01:24:35] <OmniMancer1> l_n: what do you want to do?[01:24:37] <l_n> it could be construed as trademark infringement.[01:24:39] <os_not_found> Hku Reloaded[01:24:54] <l_n> OmniMancer1: put something like "Some Title of Something" in one char*[01:25:18] <os_not_found> My distro B/Hku[01:25:19] <OmniMancer1> firstly in C++ never ever ever ever use char* except as an adapter[01:25:21] <os_not_found> b = be[01:25:28] <OmniMancer1> os_not_found: please be quiet now[01:25:29] <os_not_found> hku = haiku[01:25:31] <l_n> it's simply an exercise in class creation.[01:25:52] <l_n> hrm.. what takes the place of char*? (i haven't gotten that far into my book yet...)[01:25:53] <OmniMancer1> secondly how are you trying to put them in one char*?[01:25:57] <OmniMancer1> string[01:26:03] <OmniMancer1> std::string to be exact[01:26:11] <l_n> string is a type in c++? nice.[01:26:17] <OmniMancer1> its a class[01:26:25] <OmniMancer1> but classes are types in a way[01:26:33] <OmniMancer1> subtle difference from a "type"[01:26:49] <OmniMancer1> but they provide a proper string that does away with some of the problems of hcar*[01:27:08] <OmniMancer1> btw if its concatenating strings you want try strcat or strncat[01:27:27] <l_n> not concatenating.. reading from stdin to a string var[01:28:23] <romulo> string overcome the memory problems of char. all of them[01:31:50] <l_n> mmm... homemade banana bread.[01:33:10] <OmniMancer1> ah[01:33:10] *** impy has quit IRC[01:33:32] <OmniMancer1> scanf("%s", <char* var>)[01:33:52] <OmniMancer1> yes all of the mem problems[01:34:08] <OmniMancer1> in some ways C would be better is arrays were actually structs of a length and a buffer[01:34:27] <OmniMancer1> and if strings were the same being arrays of char[01:35:14] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[01:36:37] <Kokito> hello folks[01:37:09] <os_not_found> hello[01:37:25] <MrBlueSky> G'day[01:37:33] <l_n> doesn't scanf() have the same problem cin does (namely breaking on whitespace (i.e. "This is meaningless" would only put "This" in the argument to either scanf() or cin))[01:37:55] <l_n> Kokito: wie gehts?[01:38:21] <OmniMancer1> wait[01:38:24] <OmniMancer1> I think[01:38:38] <OmniMancer1> scanf("%s\n") might do what you want[01:38:47] <OmniMancer1> I think scanf just reads until an enter though[01:39:00] * OmniMancer1 uses google for people who are incapable of it.[01:39:18] <romulo> oh c'mon do proper parsing. Stop using scanf[01:39:21] <romulo> use boost::spriti[01:39:23] <romulo> spirit*[01:39:38] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[01:39:40] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[01:39:47] <Kokito> l_n, what language is that? :)[01:40:00] <l_n> german.[01:40:01] <OmniMancer1> you are right[01:40:11] <OmniMancer1> ues boost::spirit is nice :P[01:40:27] <OmniMancer1> romulo: this is not parsing this is trying to get a line of chars :P[01:40:35] <OmniMancer1> I think getline might be a function[01:40:43] <Kokito> l_n, my german is very limited :)[01:40:58] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[01:41:02] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:41:13] <romulo> a line of chars is still parsing :P[01:41:19] <romulo> and prone to errors[01:41:35] *** os_not_found has quit IRC[01:42:03] <OmniMancer1> int c; while(c != '\n' && c != EOF){ do stufff}[01:42:09] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[01:42:15] <romulo> probably better than scanf[01:42:24] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[01:42:24] <l_n> Kokito: it's a bit of an idiom that means "how are you"[01:42:36] *** impy has joined #haiku[01:42:37] <DraX> if you're using a file descriptor you probably want to use feof()[01:43:30] <l_n> it's short for "Wie geht es ihnen" or "How goes it to you"[01:43:33] <Kokito> l_n, I see. well, I am well, danke :)[01:43:39] <OmniMancer1> and you get c with getchar(&c) or whatnot[01:44:24] <romulo> yeah and then some hacker put a huge string on your code and you have a security fail[01:44:26] <OmniMancer1> DraX: if using stdin and the standard getthings you actually wouldn't need the eof check and don't need feof :P[01:44:51] <OmniMancer1> romulo: and how is using C++ not prone to that with the string?[01:44:59] <romulo> by using spirit.[01:45:07] <romulo> mainly because c++ handle the memory for you[01:45:28] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[01:45:33] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[01:45:33] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[01:45:44] <OmniMancer1> also if you do have a buffer overrun you must tailor the exploit for it specifically to the buffer overrun[01:45:51] <romulo> yeah[01:45:56] <OmniMancer1> just using a string would work if you only want a line :P[01:46:06] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:46:18] <OmniMancer1> so its not like if you have a buffer overrun your code will be hacked by an existing exploit[01:46:25] <romulo> yeah[01:46:42] <OmniMancer1> also if you say went strncat(source, dest, strlen(souce));[01:46:49] <l_n> interesting how asking one question about trying to read a multi-word title from stdin sparks a discussion about how best to do it..[01:46:49] <OmniMancer1> you would still segfault on a huge string[01:46:59] <OmniMancer1> but would not write anything before segfaulting :P[01:47:02] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[01:47:11] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[01:47:12] <OmniMancer1> what do you want to read?[01:47:16] <romulo> but im just saying that because we often see those C stupid errors in professional software[01:47:25] <romulo> the Wii is a problem for nintendo because of that. A single strcpy[01:47:49] <OmniMancer1> yay[01:47:57] <OmniMancer1> yes not using strcpy is good[01:48:19] <romulo> yes, using C++ like C++ is good too. Not like C with classes.[01:48:27] <OmniMancer1> I would suggest the next C standard put in a string_t typedef and a standard library that operates on string_t structs[01:48:39] <OmniMancer1> C++ is good[01:48:44] <OmniMancer1> it has templates :D[01:48:51] <OmniMancer1> to give compiler writers nightmares[01:48:56] <romulo> yeah, templates are the soul of c++[01:49:37] <romulo> if you ever consider profissional C++, read that -> http://erdani.com/book/main.html[01:49:45] <OmniMancer1> just don't start writing entire programs in them or you start to get reading nightmares[01:50:14] <OmniMancer1> what is loki?[01:50:22] <romulo> the library alexandrescu created.[01:50:38] <romulo> but i meant "Read the book"[01:50:42] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[01:50:43] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:50:43] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[01:50:52] <OmniMancer1> what does the library do?[01:51:11] <OmniMancer1> and I would if I could figure out where to get it from in a not buying it and not paper fashion[01:51:25] <romulo> hmm, probably amazon[01:51:28] <romulo> but i have the paper fashion[01:51:53] <OmniMancer1> I might be able to find it in the university library[01:52:19] *** triplez has quit IRC[01:52:46] <romulo> well, a very good book[01:55:14] <l_n> ah. cin.getline is what i think i was looking for[01:55:15] *** alex44 has quit IRC[01:55:33] <OmniMancer1> yes that will work l_n[01:55:43] <OmniMancer1> that is also giving you a std::string I think[01:55:49] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[01:57:04] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[01:58:15] <l_n> it looks like it takes the args char *buffer and length[01:58:26] <romulo> im still thinking on how to code a rpc using templates. Would be cool to associate types as numbers to types as types[01:58:29] *** ereslibre has joined #haiku[02:00:48] *** Kokito has quit IRC[02:01:10] <OmniMancer1> rpc?[02:01:23] <OmniMancer1> l_n: :/[02:01:51] <romulo> remote procedure call[02:02:01] <romulo> imagine a client sending identified packets to your server[02:02:18] <romulo> instead of filtering the packet type and making a callback, your templatized code auto-associates it[02:02:36] <romulo> it IS possible, im just not sure how, because i limited to few packet types[02:03:09] <OmniMancer1> there is also things where stuff starts to look very very ugly after a while[02:03:36] <romulo> when you get too many types[02:03:43] <romulo> you must do a huge check, which sucks :P[02:03:56] <romulo> thats when templates come handy[02:04:06] <romulo> because you dont have to write a thousand check/call code[02:04:52] *** os_not_found has joined #haiku[02:06:13] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[02:06:49] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[02:08:36] <Xeon3D> romulo: and what happens when the packets get corrupted?[02:08:51] <romulo> the packet handler is not your templatized function[02:09:14] <romulo> your server gets the packet, filter its content, if its valid, call the templatized handler function for its data.[02:10:13] <Xeon3D> i see[02:20:23] *** triplez has joined #haiku[02:21:32] <os_not_found> its there an apache port for haiku[02:22:49] <OmniMancer1> well probably you are using TCP or RDP and so corrupted packets get filtered out in the protocol stack[02:24:04] <romulo> gotta go[02:24:07] <romulo> talk to you guys tomorrow more[02:24:40] <OmniMancer1> :([02:24:47] <OmniMancer1> but you are fun to talk to[02:25:06] <romulo> thanks for the chat, will do more later =][02:25:17] <romulo> i hope to get into soc with haiku, so i will do more to know the system =][02:32:53] *** romulo has left #haiku[02:36:44] * OmniMancer1 does not like summers of code that occur during winter when he has no time :([02:43:19] <MrBlueSky> hehe[02:43:24] <MrBlueSky> I'm looking at getting into that too[02:43:25] <MrBlueSky> in fact[02:43:36] <MrBlueSky> I'm registering into college early just because of it[02:43:45] <MrBlueSky> I don't know if I'll be able to though..[02:43:56] <MrBlueSky> I've got to get my act together in less than a month[02:44:26] <MrBlueSky> take an ACT test and Pay admissions all before April 26[02:44:53] <MrBlueSky> well, that's a bit more than a month[02:45:03] <MrBlueSky> but it'll be tough if not impossible because of the test dates[02:45:49] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[02:45:57] <MrBlueSky> it's because of the whole "Must be attending an accredited college" requirement[02:46:08] <mmadia> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#not_attending[02:46:13] <mmadia> MrBlueSky ---^[02:46:53] <MrBlueSky> yeah I know. That's the thing.[02:48:01] <MrBlueSky> I've got to take an ACT test to get accepted into my college, and I won't get the test grades back until April 25th.[02:48:14] <MrBlueSky> I'm going to have to pull some strings or something to be able to do it[02:48:24] <DraX> schools are admitting this late in the year?[02:48:42] <MrBlueSky> Hmm? You mean early?[02:49:05] <MrBlueSky> Well it's a summer program the school has going.[02:49:36] <DraX> well, early/late depending on how you look at it[02:49:46] <DraX> as memory serves me admission is in nov/dec[02:50:01] <DraX> but since the school year is aug/sep -> may/jun[02:50:06] <DraX> now is late[02:50:07] <DraX> :)[02:50:09] <MrBlueSky> right[02:50:25] <l_n> hooray for google. cin.getline() worked.[02:50:40] <DraX> i did early admission for school thouh though, so my time scale may be slightly-skewed[02:54:26] *** Syn- has joined #haiku[02:56:52] *** cpr420 has quit IRC[03:06:32] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:08:14] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[03:09:57] *** os_not_found has quit IRC[03:10:17] <OmniMancer> I am in the half of the world that is discriminated against.[03:14:25] <l_n> hrm.. a circular buffer *sounds* simple, but looking at an example with proper error checking, etc, it seems quite a task to implement.[03:14:54] <OmniMancer> yes it is hard to implement because memory doesn't like being circular :P[03:15:06] <OmniMancer> ofcourse if your CPU supports modulo addressing then its easy :P[03:16:04] <l_n> i have to ask myself why someone would use a circular queue as an exercise in a book introducing a language..[03:16:11] <l_n> in the first chapter.[03:16:31] <OmniMancer> oh if it's a queue its easier[03:16:55] <OmniMancer> since you don't need it to be contiguous in memory[03:17:18] <l_n> just use an array and two int vars to keep track of start and end indices, no?[03:17:26] <OmniMancer> yes[03:17:37] <OmniMancer> or you can make it's a doubly linked list :P[03:17:59] <OmniMancer> then link the ends together and store beginning and end pointers[03:18:22] <l_n> i think i'll go for the path of least resistance here and play with linked lists later.[03:18:52] <OmniMancer> although since you only insert at the ends the ability to insert at random points easily is not that useful[03:24:01] <l_n> heh.. one variable on the wrong side of the public: statement and data can be inserted semi-randomly anyway.[03:24:20] <MrBlueSky> Imma hit the hay. Great chatting with you all and being introduced to a great new OS! Expect to see more of me around here[03:24:30] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[03:27:11] <OmniMancer> new? 9+ years old is new?[03:27:25] <OmniMancer> lol l_n[03:31:18] <Bushmills> for a stellar object, it would be[03:31:37] <OmniMancer> ??[03:31:48] <Bushmills> thinking in times of a cosmological scale[03:32:00] <OmniMancer> l_n in lisp you can't hide class members though can you?[03:32:11] <OmniMancer> oh okay that[03:34:57] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[03:35:22] <l_n> OmniMancer: i'm learning c++ at the moment.. will return to lisp after i learn the native language of the BeAPI[03:35:49] <OmniMancer> :P[03:45:57] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[03:47:09] <l_n> OmniMancer: i don't know much about CLOS, but i do know you can make a function vanish after it's used :P (lambda foo (bleh))[03:47:49] <OmniMancer> but in CLOS there are no member functions[03:48:02] <OmniMancer> and any code may access any vars within them[03:48:13] <OmniMancer> you must write them to not do that if you don't want to :P[03:50:03] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[04:02:00] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[04:03:16] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[04:04:35] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[04:04:48] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:06:47] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[04:08:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:09:24] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:13:16] *** aldeck has quit IRC[04:14:04] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[04:17:53] *** Mixer has quit IRC[04:17:54] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[04:18:00] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[04:23:47] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[04:33:25] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[04:35:31] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[04:46:12] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[04:50:26] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[04:52:18] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:00:16] <BePhantom> does anyone know why haiku won't boot up from my thumbdrive on this desktop pc?[05:00:42] <mmadia> hey BePhantom. what's the error / symptom?[05:01:03] <BePhantom> nothing actually, it just skips the drive as if nothing was in it[05:01:17] <mmadia> how'd you make it?[05:01:19] <BePhantom> it boots fine on my laptop[05:02:08] <DraX> BePhantom: have you looked at the boot order on the pc?[05:02:41] <BePhantom> DraX, yes indeed[05:03:09] <BePhantom> I downloaded the raw image file and copied it into the thumbdrive with http://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/0.2/0.2/+download/win32diskimager-RELEASE-0.2-r23-win32.zip[05:03:10] <mmadia> can any os boot from usb on the desktop?[05:04:02] <BePhantom> well, it's the only one I have to test[05:04:23] <AlienSoldier> maybe not all USB port are probed for boot device?[05:05:06] <BePhantom> I could try with another port[05:05:43] <l_n> i've booted my brother's desktop from usb when playing around with os x[05:05:55] <l_n> it could be bios settings[05:06:22] * l_n forgot to initialize an array and got some really odd results reading unassigned values.[05:07:04] *** Nozy has quit IRC[05:07:29] <BePhantom> brb, will reboot[05:07:32] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[05:08:35] <mmadia> l_n : is it a 216 digit number by chance?[05:09:06] <mmadia> and is your hostname Euclid ?[05:10:09] *** l_n has quit IRC[05:10:16] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[05:10:20] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[05:10:33] <BePhantom> yup, it doesn't work[05:10:53] *** triplez has quit IRC[05:10:55] <BePhantom> it just skips the thumbdrive and boot from the hard drive[05:10:58] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[05:11:41] *** triplez has joined #haiku[05:11:43] <BePhantom> I must be jinxed or something, haiku always fails on me :D[05:11:51] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[05:12:10] <AlienSoldier> i am more jinxed than you[05:12:21] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[05:12:49] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[05:13:18] <AlienSoldier> haiku always worked from the day of the first appserver, then juts when i decided to use it daily, nighly build no longer boot[05:14:24] <BePhantom> my laptop's touchpad and keyboard won't work in haiku[05:15:58] <mmadia> AlienSoldier have you tried an image in the past 2~3 days?[05:16:30] <mmadia> there was some commit that i wanted you to try ... don't recall which one though.[05:17:05] <BePhantom> it turns my laptop in a rather expensive paperweight[05:17:05] <BePhantom> hi matt by the way :D[05:17:29] <AlienSoldier> mmadia i noted the last one i tested in the ticket i opened http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5540[05:19:38] <mmadia> yeah, it'd definitely be worth a shot. 35816 and friends are related to booting.[05:20:09] <mmadia> 35825-ish too.[05:20:49] <AlienSoldier> gonna try that right away[05:21:22] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:21:50] *** jmayfield_ has quit IRC[05:22:25] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[05:22:59] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[05:23:29] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[05:24:05] <AlienSoldier> that google pi day theme is nice[05:24:43] *** helf has joined #haiku[05:27:52] <BePhantom> mmadia, do I need lilo or something to boot from my thumbdrive? I remember it also failed to boot in my sister's desktop pc[05:28:19] <BePhantom> or grub[05:28:28] <mmadia> if it boots on you laptop, then you shouldn't[05:28:41] <mmadia> its possible that your desktop simply can't boot from usb.[05:29:34] <BePhantom> it does boot in my laptop yes. My desktop bios has a boot from removable drive option[05:30:24] <BePhantom> when I turn on the machine I can see that the pc reads the drive but it just won't boot from it[05:32:51] <AlienSoldier> perhaps something about the file system/iso flavor[05:32:57] *** CK|iPod has joined #haiku[05:32:57] <BePhantom> haiku hates me hehe[05:33:01] <AlienSoldier> does a linux boot?[05:35:34] <AlienSoldier> that would make a neat error message by the way, "there is no error, it does not boot just because haiku hates you"[05:35:36] <BePhantom> from the thumbdrive I never tried on this machine[05:36:12] <AlienSoldier> or something like "you are not worthy"[05:37:31] <AlienSoldier> i guess having you jinxed increase my current install chance? After all god can't be at all place at the same time.[05:39:14] <BePhantom> yes, it's going to work for you this time[05:39:41] <BePhantom> brb, I gotta boot linux and see if it works[05:39:46] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[05:40:02] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[05:40:43] <AlienSoldier> BeRReGoN nope, seem someone stole my slot[05:40:51] <AlienSoldier> mmadia: epic fail[05:41:31] <mmadia> AlienSoldier ... better, worse, same?[05:41:40] <AlienSoldier> same thing[05:42:37] <AlienSoldier> with that one haiku-nightly-r35849-x86gcc4hybrid-raw.zip[05:44:31] <AlienSoldier> it's really fast, look like it happen fast. like when the computer start to use more than 640K, if it display the haiku logo in that mode.[05:45:40] <AlienSoldier> and my other test PC can't take HD over 7G so i can't test there[05:53:09] *** linkslice has joined #haiku[06:02:48] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:15:05] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:25:23] *** orbframe has joined #haiku[06:32:54] <OmniMancer> any C++ peoples in 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time to tackle BString maybe ... sigh :P[10:45:31] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:47:06] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[10:48:33] *** ereslibre has quit IRC[10:51:45] <OmniMancer1> too bad yknow strings aren't a class in D :P[10:58:31] <H_MrSun> OmniMancer1, no .. but functions in HaikuAPI requires a BString class[11:00:07] <OmniMancer1> indeed[11:00:33] <OmniMancer1> but it would be so much nicer if D had a nice string class rather than its evil string type :P[11:01:02] <H_MrSun> only problem i have now is these "BString& SetTo(const char* string);" does it return a copy new copy of the BString class?[11:01:11] <H_MrSun> or what :/[11:01:39] <H_MrSun> no a *this .. hmm[11:02:15] <OmniMancer1> no it's a reference[11:02:27] <OmniMancer1> it cannot safely return a copy that way :P[11:03:25] <OmniMancer1> it is a reference to the string[11:09:45] *** triplez has quit IRC[11:11:50] *** stef has quit IRC[11:11:58] <Xeon3D> morning.[11:12:43] <OmniMancer1> hi Xeon3d[11:13:34] <Xeon3D> hulloh :)[11:14:11] * JonathanThompson moos[11:14:17] <Xeon3D> damn neighbour[11:14:45] <Xeon3D> he's working somewhere on his apartment... all i hear is hammering @ 10 AM after 4h sleep.[11:15:10] <JonathanThompson> I guess you'll just have to kill him, Xeon3D :p[11:15:22] <JonathanThompson> (I'd suggest making it poetic by using the hammer ;) )[11:15:30] <Xeon3D> don't give me any ideas :P[11:16:12] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[11:16:41] <Xeon3D> luckily for him I already had 2 shots of caffeine.[11:17:33] <Xeon3D> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/2985859463_211b046040_o.jpg <- rocks :P[11:17:42] <OmniMancer1> maybe someone should arrange for his hammer to be made out of nitroglycerin?[11:18:12] <Xeon3D> I believe even a bit of C4 would suffice.[11:18:18] <Xeon3D> oh my[11:18:23] <Xeon3D> now he's drilling[11:18:24] <Xeon3D> ffs[11:18:42] <Xeon3D> this will be a loooong day[11:18:52] <Xeon3D> and back to hammering we go.[11:20:49] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[11:22:38] <JonathanThompson> If you have a block of wood and something heavy and hard, perhaps you can return the favor later in the day :p[11:23:01] <JonathanThompson> (Make sure to do it on his wall or door or something that'll get it direct to him)[11:23:09] <Xeon3D> hah[11:23:15] <Xeon3D> I'm starting to get to like you JonathanThompson[11:23:17] <Xeon3D> :P[11:23:23] *** Barrett has quit IRC[11:23:27] <Xeon3D> btw don't I know you from somewhere else?[11:23:42] <JonathanThompson> Where would that be?[11:23:45] <Xeon3D> #linuxmint perhaps?[11:23:55] <JonathanThompson> Never been there.[11:24:01] <Xeon3D> strange.[11:24:03] <Xeon3D> oh[11:24:05] <Xeon3D> mind it.[11:24:11] <JonathanThompson> This nick is registered to me on freenode.[11:24:12] <Xeon3D> BeShare? :P[11:24:17] <JonathanThompson> Yes.[11:24:23] <JonathanThompson> I've not used it in awhile.[11:24:25] <OmniMancer1> Xeon3D: C4 is not a contact/unstable explosive...[11:24:26] <Xeon3D> that was it :P[11:24:41] <Xeon3D> OmniMancer1: I know, it needs a little spark :P[11:25:00] <JonathanThompson> After all, there's proof from long ago that was used as a screenshot for Dollhouse that I've been a BeShare user :p[11:25:55] <Xeon3D> ye, i remember that screenshot :P[11:27:40] <OmniMancer1> I think it needs a bit more than a spark, I think more like a small explosion :P[11:27:59] <JonathanThompson> Thermite to the rescue :p[11:28:00] <Xeon3D> nitroglycerin it is then :P[11:28:14] * Xeon3D googles out for a copy of the anarchist CB[11:28:19] <OmniMancer1> yes nitroglycerin will go boom if you bang it :D[11:31:02] <Xeon3D> http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/INCENDIARIES/article.006 hmmmm[11:32:10] * JonathanThompson wonders if BeBits will be restored to sanity or left to suffer Alzheimer's[11:36:29] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[11:39:05] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[11:40:46] <H_MrSun> so in D that should just be BString SetTo(char [] str) { blah; return this; }[11:41:17] <OmniMancer1> it was already of limited usefulness since half the links were dead, what exactly happened to it?[11:41:32] <OmniMancer1> H_MrSun: except what does returning this in D do?[11:41:48] <H_MrSun> returns a reference to the class =)[11:42:06] <OmniMancer1> okay[11:42:11] <OmniMancer1> thermite is easy[11:42:20] <OmniMancer1> its rust and aluminum powder :P[11:42:22] <H_MrSun> BString SetTo(char [] str) { fInstancePointer = be_BString_SetTo(toStringz(str); return this; }[11:42:25] <H_MrSun> maybe =)[11:42:34] <H_MrSun> OmniMancer1, aye =) thermite rules =)[11:45:15] <H_MrSun> be_BString * be_BString_SetTo_1(be_BString *instPointer, const char *string) {[11:45:15] <H_MrSun> return (be_BString *)*((BStringProxy *)instPointer)->SetTo(string);[11:45:16] <H_MrSun> }[11:45:21] <H_MrSun> i wonder if thats right to do it that way :P[11:46:53] *** Barrett|UniCam has joined #haiku[11:54:02] *** alex44 has joined #haiku[11:55:15] *** alex44 has quit IRC[11:55:15] *** alex44 has joined #haiku[11:56:39] *** kitallis has quit IRC[11:59:40] <General_Failure_> Bug in Pe. Click 'tick' button and it displays a dialog complaining that it wan't compiled wit utf8 support[12:01:23] <largo> :([12:01:49] <OmniMancer1> I wonder if you could find two things on the list that are further apart than iron and aluminium[12:02:02] <OmniMancer1> like lithium poweder and zinc oxide :P[12:03:11] *** Barrett|UniCam has quit IRC[12:03:39] *** mbrumbelow has quit IRC[12:05:05] <JonathanThompson> OmniMancer1: there's Unobtanium, right next to the element of Surprise :p[12:05:20] <OmniMancer1> :P[12:05:37] <OmniMancer1> I mean further apart on the displacement list thingy[12:06:36] *** |Qeos| has joined #haiku[12:07:58] *** wildur has quit IRC[12:09:34] *** Qeos has quit IRC[12:13:12] <H_MrSun> god damn, BString never ends![12:13:31] <OmniMancer1> :P[12:13:37] <H_MrSun> its freakin huge[12:13:40] <H_MrSun> and i have to flatten it all! =)[12:13:49] <H_MrSun> and i dont even know if im doing it right, stupid & signs :P[12:15:39] <OmniMancer1> :P[12:15:47] <H_MrSun> oh well, we will see :P[12:15:52] <H_MrSun> have to test this one extensivly[12:15:54] <OmniMancer1> a & is a pointer that is treated like a value :P[12:15:57] <H_MrSun> if it works then great =)[12:15:59] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35864 /haiku/trunk/src/ (apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp kits/locale/Language.cpp):[12:15:59] <CIA-50> * Fix a small bug in BLanguage::GetName[12:15:59] <CIA-50> * Use BLanguage in AboutSystem to get the names of the languages in the credit list, no need to add useless work for the translators[12:15:59] <CIA-50> * Add some contributors to the credits for japanese translation[12:16:02] <OmniMancer1> not sure if they can be bound[12:16:27] <H_MrSun> OmniMancer1, im casting the derefence of the reference to a pointer :P[12:16:59] <H_MrSun> as all i realy want is the pointer of the resulting class, do not realy need it tho but =)[12:17:02] <H_MrSun> other languages might[12:17:09] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:19:05] <H_MrSun> hmm[12:19:19] <H_MrSun> return (be_BString *)&(blah); seems to work also, i wonder what is right :/[12:19:33] <H_MrSun> oh well its not a big change if its that, a fast search and replace =)[12:22:30] <OmniMancer1> probably the pointer since the C++ is probably expecting a pointer :P[12:24:19] *** BGA has joined #haiku[12:24:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[12:25:03] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[12:25:04] *** Kernel86_ has joined #haiku[12:25:10] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[12:32:48] <H_MrSun> about half the damn class is done now atleast! (in C)[12:33:18] <H_MrSun> realy hope more classes wont be a hell like this one :P[12:33:44] <H_MrSun> Message.h will be[12:34:06] <OmniMancer1> message.h is fun :)[12:34:23] * OmniMancer1 goes to sleep now.[12:35:04] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[12:35:07] <H_MrSun> i think ill go down and demloish my cnc mill insted of this ... need to rework alot of stuff on it :([12:35:18] <OmniMancer1> :([12:35:28] <OmniMancer1> cnc mills must be finished[12:35:47] <H_MrSun> thanks to bad metal turning by me its off by like 0.1mm on the leadscrews on an axis[12:35:56] <OmniMancer1> :([12:35:57] <H_MrSun> (the tap where i connect the motor is like 0.1mm off center :P[12:36:07] <OmniMancer1> sigh[12:36:23] <OmniMancer1> bad H_MrSun![12:36:59] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[12:39:36] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[12:39:51] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[12:41:52] *** stef has joined #haiku[12:46:34] *** mmlr has quit IRC[12:48:10] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:50:05] *** General_Failure_ has quit IRC[12:52:13] *** Garfield32 has joined #haiku[12:52:22] *** Ola has joined #haiku[12:52:35] *** General_Failure_ has joined #haiku[12:52:41] *** Ola is now known as OlaHughson[12:54:36] *** fhein has quit IRC[12:55:03] *** triplez has joined #haiku[12:56:15] *** santafe has joined #haiku[12:56:34] *** santafe has left #haiku[12:59:01] *** Garfield32 has left #haiku[12:59:16] *** triplez has quit IRC[13:05:30] *** surrounder has quit IRC[13:05:57] *** Ola__ has joined #haiku[13:07:03] *** OlaHughson has quit IRC[13:07:43] *** Syn- has left #haiku[13:12:43] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:16:24] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[13:18:11] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:19:19] *** AlexFera has joined #haiku[13:36:05] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[13:43:00] *** sprma has quit IRC[13:46:37] *** kitallis has quit IRC[13:47:06] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[13:47:59] *** jmayfield_ has joined #haiku[13:50:57] *** jmayfield__ has quit IRC[13:53:24] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:59:29] *** noidhoon has joined #haiku[13:59:32] <noidhoon> hi all[14:06:33] *** sprma has joined #haiku[14:07:05] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[14:07:54] *** stippi has joined #haiku[14:07:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:13:00] *** BGA1 has joined #haiku[14:15:22] *** BGA has quit IRC[14:15:59] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[14:23:53] *** Kernel86_ has joined #haiku[14:23:53] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[14:30:29] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[14:35:04] *** BGA has joined #haiku[14:35:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[14:37:11] *** BGA1 has quit IRC[14:39:14] *** martinhpedersen_ has joined #haiku[14:43:07] *** Kroki has joined #haiku[14:48:50] *** mr_insecure1 has joined #haiku[14:48:54] <mr_insecure1> hi[14:52:53] *** mmlr_e71 has joined #haiku[14:54:16] *** mr_insecure1 has left #haiku[14:55:52] <CIA-50> stippi * r35865 /haiku/trunk/ (15 files in 8 dirs):[14:55:52] <CIA-50> * Extended the BView drawing API by a DrawString() version that takes an array[14:55:52] <CIA-50> of locations, one for each glyph.[14:55:52] <CIA-50> * Added a test for the new functionality.[14:55:56] *** santafe has joined #haiku[14:59:57] *** alex44 has quit IRC[15:07:53] *** mmlr_e71 has quit IRC[15:08:29] *** oZ] has joined #haiku[15:21:10] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[15:21:20] <kieselsteini> hey there... :)[15:21:43] <kieselsteini> this is a Haiku Newbie just running it on a real box! Really impressive![15:26:52] <olivdt> I was wondering, are there people actually using it as their day to day OS ?[15:27:51] <Auronandace> i tend not to, but it isn't far off for me[15:28:14] <Auronandace> some of the developers do use it daily though[15:28:25] <kieselsteini> hmm may I ask some stupid newbie questions? I was wondering if there's an battery state widget or something like that...[15:29:09] <Auronandace> i've never needed one so i don't know sorry[15:30:04] <olivdt> Auronandace, good to know, I tried BeOS about a decennie ago and it was pretty good. Now, I saw some GSoC projects that seem pretty interesting[15:31:07] <Auronandace> i've never used beos but i'm loving haiku[15:34:01] <kieselsteini> I read the docs and they're referring to locations like /boot/system /boot/home etc. but this belongs to a live CD right? I installed Haiku and I only habe /system /home and so forth[15:35:30] <Auronandace> on the desktop you can see the haiku mountpoint thing[15:35:40] <Auronandace> thats the /boot/[15:36:17] <Auronandace> i usually change the tracker preferences to show single window navigation[15:36:31] <Auronandace> it's easier for me to know where i am[15:38:04] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:38:07] <kieselsteini> ah i see[15:50:11] *** kieselsteini2 has joined #haiku[15:50:11] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[15:50:18] <kieselsteini2> wow first kernel panic :D[15:51:27] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:00:24] *** PacoLinux has joined #haiku[16:01:34] *** smooki has joined #haiku[16:01:35] <smooki> hi[16:02:08] <smooki> I would like to buy a netbook than runs haiku... but using google I cant find any compatibility list ?![16:04:46] <CIA-50> stippi * r35866 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[16:04:46] <CIA-50> Improved the DrawString() method that takes offsets per glyph by making the[16:04:46] <CIA-50> client provide the array size. Added version that doesn't take a string length[16:04:46] <CIA-50> for convenience.[16:06:39] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[16:08:36] *** fhein has joined #haiku[16:12:38] *** Xeon3D has quit IRC[16:20:59] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:21:08] *** alex44 has joined #haiku[16:24:29] *** romulo has joined #haiku[16:24:31] <romulo> yo =][16:26:19] <mmadia> smooki : stay away from the GMA500 -- that's the best netbook/laptop advice i have. hi romulo.[16:26:41] <romulo> stay away from gateway laptops[16:26:47] <smooki> ok[16:26:48] <romulo> thats my best advice.[16:26:58] <smooki> thanks[16:26:59] <romulo> The plastic sucks so much that it will break, like mine did[16:27:13] <smooki> eeepc seems good for haiku no ?[16:27:20] <romulo> yeah i guess[16:29:24] <kitallis> 21:00 romulo : stay away from gateway laptops[16:29:27] <kitallis> why?[16:29:34] <smooki> romulo : you run haiku on real hw ?[16:30:27] <romulo> yes and no[16:30:40] <romulo> kitallis, they suck for the design+durability, not the hardware[16:30:51] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[16:30:51] <romulo> smooki, i run it on a gateway laptop and also on vmware on a compal laptop[16:30:59] <kitallis> hm, well i was very much considering it for buying[16:31:11] <kitallis> heard good perf reviews[16:31:27] <smooki> romulo : I don't think there is gateway in france anyway ^^[16:31:34] <kitallis> suggestions for netbooks then?[16:31:42] <romulo> kitallis, i did like the laptop. The problem is that hinges broke after a while (6 months)[16:31:43] <oZ]> Yeah, it's Packard Bell in France, or Acer.[16:31:47] <oZ]> Acer owns all of them.[16:31:56] <smooki> to bad there is not a hw feedback pages[16:31:57] <romulo> google for broken hinge and you will see[16:32:11] <smooki> oZ] : ok thanks for the information[16:32:27] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:32:27] <oZ]> Just be careful of statements like 'brand x sucks', as some may suck, but some may not.[16:32:33] <smooki> romulo : well using google I can't find feedback, only about eeepc[16:33:31] <romulo> http://www.google.com/search?q=hinge+broke+gateway&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8[16:33:56] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[16:33:58] <romulo> i got a mx7525[16:34:06] <oZ]> If you're worried about hinges, get a ThinkPad. ;)[16:34:07] <romulo> now i must use it with the screen hold by my books :P[16:34:15] <romulo> thinkpad / lenovo is indestructible[16:34:16] <romulo> :D[16:34:26] <oZ]> romulo: oh, that'd be annoying as heck :)[16:34:35] <oZ]> I wonder how well Haiku works on the x100e.[16:34:42] <romulo> my compal works very well, alot better than the gateway[16:34:45] <smooki> romulo : good, but if haiku doesn't run well on it ....[16:34:55] <romulo> yeah[16:34:58] *** sprma has quit IRC[16:35:01] <romulo> i changed the wireless card on both of them[16:35:11] <romulo> gateway had broadcom and compal had intel[16:35:17] <romulo> got two atheros on ebay for 2 usd each :P[16:35:19] <romulo> works very well[16:35:31] <oZ]> atheros++[16:36:18] <romulo> yeah and pretty cheap cards i got from singapura :D[16:36:32] <romulo> anyone experienced with cmake here?[16:37:29] * smooki just noticed the hardware section on haikuware.com ^^[16:41:11] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:42:48] <kieselsteini2> I run Haiku on a Lenovo ThinkPad T500[16:43:12] <kieselsteini2> seems to run smoothly, but no WLAN and Webcam[16:44:03] <Auronandace> i run it on a t60[16:44:13] <Auronandace> works on my t40 too[16:45:18] *** stef has quit IRC[16:45:39] <kieselsteini2> that WLAN issuse is bad, but I know that FreeBSD 8.0 isn't supporting my WLAN chip too, so there's little hope Haiku will support it somewhere in the near time :)[16:46:17] <mmadia> what wlan chip do you have kieselsteini2 ?[16:46:44] <kieselsteini2> how can I look after that in Haiku? :)[16:46:50] <CIA-50> stippi * r312 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/graphics/haiku/FontHaiku.cpp:[16:46:50] <CIA-50> Modified to use the new DrawString() with offsets per glyph, so that justified[16:46:50] <CIA-50> text and other stuff (CSS spacing) works again.[16:46:55] <mmadia> `listdev` from within Terminal[16:47:07] <Auronandace> my t60 has an intel3945 and i have trouble in haiku and pcbsd8[16:47:36] <Auronandace> works fine in pcbsd7[16:47:45] <Auronandace> wonder what changed[16:48:10] <kieselsteini2> device 4237: PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection[16:48:36] <romulo> drop intel, get atheros =D[16:48:42] <romulo> very very cheap on ebay[16:48:56] <oZ]> romulo: slightly more expensive for thinkpad, as lenovo bios locks their wifi cards.[16:49:27] *** mbrumbelow has joined #haiku[16:49:28] *** kieselsteini has joined #haiku[16:49:33] <kieselsteini> next crash :)[16:49:44] <CIA-50> stippi * r313 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/haiku/MIMETypeRegistryHaiku.cpp: Style cleanup, removed outdated TODOs.[16:49:45] <kieselsteini> don't copy large files (about 2GB) from a mobile FAT32 device[16:49:48] <romulo> argh[16:49:59] <romulo> thats why i dont buy stuff from vendors that lock[16:50:20] *** smooki has quit IRC[16:50:43] *** mbrumbelow has left #haiku[16:51:18] <oZ]> i'll accept a bios lock for the other benefits of thinkpad. ;)[16:52:02] <oZ]> You can get an offbrand atheros card, cover a pin, and put it in the second pci express slot if it isn't filled, as well.[16:52:02] <romulo> which are?[16:52:19] <Auronandace> thinkpads rock! pity they reintroduced the windows key[16:52:28] *** kieselsteini2 has quit IRC[16:52:46] <oZ]> reliability, durability, high res screens, best keyboard - bar none - of any laptop, and the trackpoint.[16:53:02] <oZ]> also, ridiculously easy to hack, repair, take apart, reassemble, etc. ;)[16:53:06] <kieselsteini> well...if I read the SVN commit right, Haiku is going to get a WebKit implementation ?![16:53:12] <Auronandace> also the handy thinklight[16:53:22] <romulo> hmm[16:53:31] <romulo> kieselsteini, WebPositive[16:53:50] <oZ]> romulo: though, benefits are subject to interpretation of the owner. i, for one, love it. and i own a macbook now.[16:53:54] <kieselsteini> ah sounds cool romulo[16:53:57] <oZ]> that will likely change soon.[16:54:18] *** e-jones has quit IRC[16:54:46] <kieselsteini> oZ] but the ThinkLight works OS independent where the Mac keyboard lightning is OS dependent[16:54:48] <romulo> i have a macbook too[16:55:05] <romulo> i want another one now :P[16:55:15] <Auronandace> i've never really tried a mac[16:55:28] <romulo> for testing its really good =P[16:55:37] <oZ]> I really do enjoy OS X, and I like a lot of the features of the MacBook.[16:55:47] <oZ]> I do miss higher resolution displays, and I really hate the keyboards now.[16:55:49] <romulo> yeah, osx is the proper done bsd[16:56:11] <oZ]> Aye.[16:57:23] <kieselsteini> hmm is there a reason why copying data from a FAT32 external drive is so slooooow?[16:57:39] <romulo> fat is slow[16:57:47] <romulo> think about it, its a 15 year old filesystem[16:57:55] <Auronandace> i only ever mount other partitions as read only[16:58:00] <Auronandace> in haiku[16:58:01] <kieselsteini> yea that's right, but accessing the drive eg. with Linux is lot faster[16:58:10] <kieselsteini> Auronandace so did i[16:58:33] <oZ]> Is a Haiku partition faster, kieselsteini, or is this a USB issue?[16:59:02] <kieselsteini> oZ] well as far as I can see, the Haiku partition is lot faster[16:59:41] <Auronandace> i think there's a ticket in trac regards copying to and from usb fat drives[16:59:53] <kieselsteini> k[17:00:03] <kieselsteini> sorry for all that stupid questions :D[17:00:23] <kieselsteini> I installed Haiku yesterday evening and I'm still impressed *g[17:00:31] <saivert> so the filesystem itself can have a large impact on sequential file copying?[17:00:36] <kieselsteini> but I don't have a clue how it works *g[17:00:47] <saivert> not just the actual storage media or drive technology[17:02:06] *** The123king has joined #haiku[17:04:33] <Auronandace> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5362[17:04:58] <Auronandace> that ones copying to a fat drive[17:07:56] *** kieselsteini2 has joined #haiku[17:07:56] *** kieselsteini has quit IRC[17:08:16] <kieselsteini2> ok...I'm giving up copying a 1.8GB file from FAT32 to my Home[17:08:24] <CIA-50> mmadia * r35867 /haiku/trunk/ (Jamfile build/jam/ImageRules build/jam/OptionalPackages):[17:08:24] <CIA-50> Allows AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages and OptionalPackageDependencies to work in[17:08:24] <CIA-50> arbitrary order. Follow-up to r35830.[17:08:33] <kieselsteini2> there's no kernel debugger, the system simply feezes[17:08:53] <Auronandace> what are you copying?[17:09:29] <kieselsteini2> a tar.gz with music[17:10:02] <Auronandace> are you copying the archive or expanding it?[17:10:23] <kieselsteini2> I tried both[17:11:01] <kieselsteini2> first try: copy from that device...failed after 2 minutes or so...[17:11:33] <kieselsteini2> second try: unpacking all music directly from the external device...I managed to unpack several files...but suddenly the system freezed again[17:13:30] <Auronandace> you installed haiku yesterday? you using a nightly or the alpha?[17:16:15] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[17:22:25] <Auronandace> sweet, haiku is on distrowatch[17:24:02] *** impy has joined #haiku[17:24:32] *** noidhoon has quit IRC[17:26:37] <kieselsteini2> Auronandace i used the R1 alpha[17:27:05] <Auronandace> there has been a lot of fixes since then[17:27:15] <kieselsteini2> Auronandace is there a "simple" way to update?[17:27:17] <Auronandace> the alpha is from september 2009[17:27:20] <kieselsteini2> k[17:27:41] <Auronandace> sorry, not a simple way to update[17:27:57] <Auronandace> i run it from a usb drive[17:28:06] <kieselsteini2> Auronandace btw. is it possible to write the Image to a USB-Stick...I don't want to burn a CD every day[17:28:13] <kieselsteini2> ah ok[17:28:20] <oZ]> if you 'install' it to the usb stick, and boot from that, you can.[17:28:22] <Auronandace> go to haiku-files to grab a nightly[17:29:01] <Auronandace> you should get a raw image and dd it from linux to the drive[17:29:19] *** alex44 has quit IRC[17:29:19] *** alex44 has joined #haiku[17:29:23] <kieselsteini2> Auronandace ok thanks[17:29:30] <kieselsteini2> I've still a lot to learn here *g[17:29:51] <kieselsteini2> but I managed to write a simple C++ app which opens a window ... heh[17:31:05] <Auronandace> when you dd the image, make sure you select the entire drive (not a partition on it)[17:31:06] <kieselsteini2> hmm what's the difference between the gcc2 and gcc4 stuff?! I heard to maintain binary compatibility with BeOS5 Haiku uses GCC2[17:31:17] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[17:31:20] <Auronandace> e.g. sdb rather than sdb1[17:31:22] <kieselsteini2> Auronandace yea I know that :D[17:31:55] <Auronandace> the official release is gcc2hybryd[17:32:23] <Auronandace> it means it is compiled with gcc2 and also has gcc4 extra[17:33:04] *** saivert has quit IRC[17:33:07] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[17:33:16] <kieselsteini2> ok...and what is gcc4 hybrid ?[17:33:41] <kieselsteini2> everything compiled with gcc4 and gcc2 as an extra ?![17:34:22] <Auronandace> yup[17:34:31] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC[17:34:33] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[17:35:13] *** impy has quit IRC[17:35:23] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:35:39] <kieselsteini2> so then...I'll try the current nightly....[17:35:51] <kieselsteini2> Auronandace any suggestion...gcc2 or gcc4 ?![17:36:06] <Auronandace> i tend to use gcc4hybrid[17:36:35] <kieselsteini2> ok see you later :)[17:36:45] <kieselsteini2> hopefully /home is preserved ?![17:36:50] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[17:37:36] <Auronandace> why don't you keep your stuff on a seperate partition?[17:37:51] <Auronandace> that way you won't need to preserve /home[17:38:03] <kieselsteini2> hmm well I had only one partition left :([17:38:06] <Auronandace> a clean install is always far better[17:38:25] *** impy has joined #haiku[17:38:49] <Auronandace> haiku can install to a logical partition[17:38:54] <kieselsteini2> hmm I can mount that Haiku partition and remove every directory but /home[17:39:54] <kieselsteini2> i'll see what I'm doing :D[17:40:02] <kieselsteini2> c u[17:40:11] *** kieselsteini2 has quit IRC[17:40:34] *** saivert has joined #haiku[17:41:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:41:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:43:13] *** fly-away has joined #haiku[17:45:27] <romulo> i need a new desktop[17:45:55] <jmayfield_> the rest of the desk is oh then?[17:46:00] <jmayfield_> is ok[17:46:06] <Kokito> hmmm... the "View" menu seems to be missing from the Email app locale catalog[17:46:23] <romulo> does haiku have a irc program?[17:46:32] <romulo> a *good* one[17:46:48] <jmayfield_> what makes for a bad irc client?[17:46:55] <romulo> lack of features :P[17:47:01] <romulo> like dcc transfer[17:47:16] <Kokito> romulo, Haiku has a very good native IRC client called Vision[17:47:25] <romulo> hmm, one project less to think about[17:47:35] <romulo> still sticking with the im :P[17:47:52] <jmayfield_> oh wow.. i totally forgot about dcc stuff.. hvent used it since maybe 1998[17:50:12] <romulo> i still use it.[17:50:12] *** fly-away has quit IRC[17:50:12] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:50:12] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:50:16] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:52:05] *** Zdzichu has joined #haiku[17:52:06] *** Mazon has quit IRC[17:52:36] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[17:56:13] *** __goo__ has joined #haiku[17:59:51] *** santafe has left #haiku[18:02:10] *** lancel00t has joined #haiku[18:02:23] <Kokito> can the Haiku boot menu display double-byte characters?[18:02:37] <romulo> unicode?[18:02:41] <romulo> dont think so :P[18:02:59] *** __goo__ has quit IRC[18:04:07] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:04:11] *** jmelesky has joined #haiku[18:15:41] *** kieselsteini2 has joined #haiku[18:15:44] <kieselsteini2> hi again[18:15:58] <kieselsteini2> Auronandace i'm running now the current nightly build[18:16:10] <kieselsteini2> but now I've no browser[18:16:24] <mmadia> `installoptionalpackage -l`[18:17:23] <kieselsteini2> aha...well :)[18:17:45] <humdinger> and then get Web+: http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/stippi/2010-03-02_webpositive_emerges[18:17:46] <humdinger> :)[18:18:12] <mmadia> good call : http://mmlr.dyndns.org/chrome/site/nightlies/WebPositive-r311.zip :)[18:18:53] <kieselsteini2> well then...to hell with BeZilla :) I don't like FireFox either[18:19:00] <kieselsteini2> wget should do the job[18:19:40] <kieselsteini2> well now I've 2 BeOS partitions[18:20:07] <kieselsteini2> one should be reserved for /home...how could I change the /home directory to the new partition ?[18:21:50] <mmadia> I'm not sure if that's possible anymore. Prior to the mount_server, there was an advanced trick of modifying one of the boot scripts, to mount a 2nd partition & create symlinks[18:21:55] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[18:22:42] <kieselsteini2> sad...I don't want to reenter the Vision config all the time[18:23:14] <humdinger> Get SimpleBackup and zip up home.[18:23:32] <humdinger> then just unzip after an update.[18:23:42] <kieselsteini2> ok[18:24:01] <kieselsteini2> hmm...WebPositive seems to crash every time I access www.interfacelift.com[18:24:32] <humdinger> works here.[18:24:43] <humdinger> I'm using an older libpng however.[18:25:08] <humdinger> I thought the newest Web+ comes with it in its lib sub-folder.[18:25:40] <kieselsteini2> humdinger have you an binary ?[18:25:56] <humdinger> yes :)[18:26:05] <humdinger> does Vision send stuff?[18:26:07] <kieselsteini2> a binary I can download ;D[18:26:18] <kieselsteini2> I don't know but i'm beyond a firewall[18:26:47] <Kokito> humdinger, DnD file on user name should trigger a DCC transfer[18:27:04] <humdinger> OK, stand back. File'S dropping![18:27:18] <kieselsteini2> heh cool guys :D[18:27:19] <Kokito> whether it goes through or not, that's another question :)[18:27:47] <humdinger> doesn't look like it...[18:27:51] <kieselsteini2> hmm sad[18:28:19] <kieselsteini2> but now I can't install BeZilla with install... because the tool states the ZIP is already downloaded but that's not correct[18:28:24] <Kokito> need to open certain ports[18:28:35] <Kokito> for DCC to work[18:29:12] *** Libcha has joined #haiku[18:29:14] <mmadia> kieselsteini2 : `open /tmp` and delete the zip.[18:29:21] <Libcha> Hello ![18:30:12] <kieselsteini2> mmadia thanks...there ways a broken ZIP[18:30:23] <humdinger> Hi Libcha[18:31:52] <Libcha> It's a pity Haiku fails to boot on my computer :( It shows the progress window with cca 10 little icons, then finishes this and - black screen, no response, even NumLock diod doesnt func :([18:32:09] <Libcha> i'll try some nightbuilds now..[18:33:14] <humdinger> Libcha: Maybe you should try some safe mode options.[18:33:28] <humdinger> press shift or space before the icons appear to enter a boot menu[18:33:44] <Libcha> oh... i did'n't say i mean booting from flashdisk, it's not installed yet[18:33:54] <kieselsteini2> brb I'm going to our local computer club[18:33:55] <Libcha> ok, thx, i'll try...[18:34:51] <kieselsteini2> thank you guys for your help...[18:34:55] <kieselsteini2> cya[18:35:01] <humdinger> cu kieselsteini2[18:35:08] *** kieselsteini2 has quit IRC[18:36:25] *** Maledictus has joined #haiku[18:36:57] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[18:38:13] *** helf has quit IRC[18:38:13] *** helf2 is now known as helf[18:41:05] *** enthus has joined #haiku[18:42:04] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[18:42:52] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:51:51] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:52:13] *** mmadia has quit IRC[18:52:17] <Libcha> hee, thanks, it boots already :)[18:53:28] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[18:54:07] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:55:47] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:04:29] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:04:49] *** genkie has joined #haiku[19:04:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:07:20] <romulo> can anyone confirm me that gmail jabber works on webpositive?[19:07:26] <romulo> or maybe bezilla (argh)[19:07:38] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[19:08:23] <mmadia> gtalk doesn't work in Web+, but does in bezilla.[19:12:01] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[19:12:33] *** Masquerade has joined #haiku[19:14:13] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[19:14:39] <Libcha> well, now i'm installing. It's strange that there was no dialog to choose run/install like in manual, but i found Installer in menu.[19:15:10] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:15:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:15:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:16:03] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:19:19] *** MrBlueSky has quit IRC[19:20:53] *** MrBlueSky has joined #haiku[19:24:01] <enthus> lol[19:25:34] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[19:25:53] <lancel00t> yay, I can build haiku gcc4hybrid from haiku[19:30:41] *** joeyadams has joined #haiku[19:31:10] <Libcha> ls[19:33:22] <Libcha> cd no name[19:34:08] <luroh> No such file or directory[19:37:49] <Libcha> :-D oh, sry, it's the situatin with 2 keyboards, you know ;) *sorry*[19:38:14] <Libcha> well, things continue going strange...[19:39:23] <Libcha> i installed it, but it doesn't boot, maybe the bootloader is installed wrongly. i see only "error loading operating system" bios default message...[19:41:07] *** lancel00t has quit IRC[19:48:48] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:49:27] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[19:53:01] *** VinDuv_ has joined #haiku[19:53:22] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[19:53:40] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:53:42] *** wildur has joined #haiku[19:55:02] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[19:55:42] *** kitallis has quit IRC[19:56:12] *** helf has quit IRC[19:57:21] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:57:53] *** kitallis has joined #haiku[19:59:04] *** largo has quit IRC[20:00:30] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[20:01:13] *** Ingenu has joined #haiku[20:07:07] *** zardoz has joined #haiku[20:07:54] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:08:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:08:34] *** GeneralMaximus has quit IRC[20:09:09] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[20:15:41] *** peerkoel has quit IRC[20:17:11] *** romulo has quit IRC[20:18:08] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:18:27] *** leszek has joined #haiku[20:18:43] *** Libcha has left #haiku[20:18:51] <leszek> hi[20:18:56] *** composr has joined #haiku[20:19:00] <kitallis> hey :)[20:19:12] *** composr has left #haiku[20:19:27] *** Zdzichu has quit IRC[20:20:53] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:24:49] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[20:24:55] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[20:26:37] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:28:26] *** genkie has quit IRC[20:31:31] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:37:28] *** largo has joined #haiku[20:39:52] *** cpr420 has joined #haiku[20:44:19] *** peerkoel has joined #haiku[20:46:44] *** zardoz has quit IRC[20:52:05] *** VinDuv_ has quit IRC[20:59:01] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:01:16] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:05:01] <Ingenu> pouet[21:05:36] *** PasNox has quit IRC[21:06:59] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:08:45] *** jmayfiel1 has joined #haiku[21:13:04] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:13:38] <mmu_screen> plop[21:13:51] <mmu_screen> WOW! http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100315#feature A first look at Haiku (alpha)[21:14:39] *** n9986 has quit IRC[21:15:19] *** n9986 has joined #haiku[21:15:23] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:16:14] *** kitallis has quit IRC[21:19:17] *** enthus has left #haiku[21:19:49] *** BGA has left #haiku[21:19:52] <leszek> hmm... alpha 1 test though, but nice reading it ;)[21:19:58] *** kieselsteini2 has joined #haiku[21:20:02] <kieselsteini2> hi there :)[21:20:49] <kieselsteini2> how can I install Haiku on an external HDD ?[21:21:04] *** santafe has joined #haiku[21:21:13] <kieselsteini2> i erased all partitions on that device, created a BeFS and installed Haiku on it[21:21:31] <kieselsteini2> but the boot loader will be only written in the Haiku partition and not into the MBR[21:21:40] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[21:22:23] <leszek> kieselsteini2, you need to fireup bootman[21:22:35] <leszek> you need to specify the mbr of the external HDD though[21:24:17] <mmadia> ... at the moment, you can choose which drive to install bootman.[21:24:34] <mmadia> and it doesn't support multiple drives[21:24:34] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[21:25:21] <kieselsteini2> leszek I'll try that...wait :)[21:25:34] <kieselsteini2> leszek where's bootman? Terminal?[21:25:44] <leszek> in apps[21:25:48] <leszek> terminal should work[21:26:13] <Auronandace> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4050[21:26:26] <kieselsteini2> leszek but I want to install bootman on the external HDD[21:26:27] <Auronandace> about the 2nd harddrive issue[21:26:36] <kieselsteini2> so I can plug in the external HDD and run Haiku[21:27:16] <Auronandace> don't know if that applies to external drives too though[21:27:44] <mmadia> kieselsteini2 : is the BFS volume on the entire external disk or as a partition in it?[21:28:15] <kieselsteini2> there's a partition on the external drive[21:28:19] <leszek> kieselsteini2, you need to choose the right disk[21:28:41] <kieselsteini2> wait we try the current nightly[21:28:48] <kieselsteini2> we've R1 alpha running[21:29:47] <mmadia> if you're willing to initialize the entire external disk as BFS & then use Installer to install Haiku to it, then it may work similarly to a usb-stick that was dd'd[21:31:04] <kieselsteini2> ok...because the external HDD is bigger than the USB image and I want to use the entire space :D[21:31:38] <mmadia> right :)[21:33:01] <kieselsteini2> hmm but then the Installer refuses to accept that disk[21:33:16] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[21:33:17] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's not clean to do it without partitions[21:33:24] <PulkoMandy> more and more computers won't let you boot that[21:33:49] <kieselsteini2> hmm but how can I make Haiku bootable then?[21:34:15] <PulkoMandy> installing bootman should work[21:34:24] <PulkoMandy> any other bootloader can be used too[21:34:37] <kieselsteini2> ok...I create an Intel map on that external HDD[21:34:38] <PulkoMandy> (grub, smart boot manager, even the one installed with windows)[21:34:44] <kieselsteini2> then I create one BeFS system[21:34:48] <kieselsteini2> then I can install Haiku[21:34:50] <CIA-50> korli * r35868 /haiku/trunk/ (Jamfile build/jam/OptionalPackages): fix typo[21:35:20] <kieselsteini2> but now Haiku isn't bootable yet...because the boot loader sits in the partition and not in the MBR[21:36:30] <Auronandace> i tend to use grub2 as my bootloader and chainload haiku[21:36:36] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[21:36:41] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[21:36:55] <kieselsteini2> hmm but I can't install GRUB on that device because it's entirely Haiku[21:36:59] <Auronandace> but that's because i run multiple os's[21:37:26] <Auronandace> no, install grub to your mbr[21:37:36] <PulkoMandy> no grub will not work[21:37:43] <PulkoMandy> it needs a linux partition to store its data[21:38:03] <kieselsteini2> yeah that's my problem atm :D[21:38:09] <PulkoMandy> you can use haiku's bootman (running bootman --help from terminal should tell you how to install it)[21:38:14] <kieselsteini2> an bootman won't list the external drive[21:38:19] <PulkoMandy> or you can install something like smart boot manager[21:38:37] <kieselsteini2> bootman --help says nothing[21:38:51] <leszek> kieselsteini2, you need to search the path to your external hdd mbr yourself[21:39:44] <leszek> another option is building the raw image with a custom size (the one of your external hdd) and dd'ing it onto the disk[21:40:27] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[21:40:58] <PulkoMandy> http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/download.html[21:41:05] <PulkoMandy> if you can, install smart boot manager[21:41:14] <PulkoMandy> (you can do that from dos, windows or linux)[21:41:29] <kirilla> many chefs, bad soup :P[21:42:02] *** idefix_xifedi has quit IRC[21:43:15] <kieselsteini2> are there some requirements for smart boot manager ?![21:43:26] <Auronandace> i like the custom image idea[21:43:28] <kieselsteini2> even If there's no Linux/Win Partition on the disk ?[21:43:33] <PulkoMandy> not that I know[21:44:41] <kieselsteini2> hmm there's no time for a custom image, we're sitting in a restaurant *g[21:44:46] <kieselsteini2> we've limited net here[21:45:20] <Auronandace> how many of you are there?[21:45:40] <kieselsteini2> 5 people...using linux, windows and haiku :D[21:45:55] <Auronandace> cool, hi guys[21:46:11] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[21:46:34] <kirilla> (^_^)/[21:46:50] <kirilla> jk ;)[21:46:58] <Auronandace> :)[21:47:39] <kieselsteini2> jk ?[21:48:07] <Auronandace> ?[21:48:14] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:50:29] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[21:51:59] <kirilla> kieselsteini2: forgive my weird sense of humor :)[21:52:08] <Auronandace> any luck with smart boot manager?[21:52:26] <kieselsteini2> we erased the whole hdd with linux fdisk[21:52:33] <kieselsteini2> and installed smart boot manager[21:52:39] <kieselsteini2> rebooting... :D[21:53:06] <kieselsteini2> hmm nothing happens...[21:54:43] *** wildur has quit IRC[21:55:06] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35869 /haiku/trunk/data/catalogs/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Update some german catalogs from hta[21:58:16] *** wildur has joined #haiku[21:58:59] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[21:59:15] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[21:59:53] <Auronandace> you managed to boot haiku from a usb stick before right?[22:00:23] <Auronandace> same principle should apply with the custom image[22:00:46] *** hexel has joined #haiku[22:00:51] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:00:57] <hexel> Hi[22:01:12] <Auronandace> hi[22:01:35] <hexel> I'm getting an error trying to update my haiku from linux ... anyone can help me?[22:02:11] <kirilla> hexel: are you building Haiku from source?[22:02:13] <Auronandace> i tend to simply dd it to a usb stick rather than update[22:02:38] <hexel> kirilla: yes i do[22:03:08] <kirilla> hexel: what's the error?[22:03:33] <hexel> Auronandace, thats not an option because i want to keep my files and settings[22:03:59] <Auronandace> i see[22:04:10] <kirilla> you can install from the usb stick to the haiku you have installed elsewhere[22:04:13] <PulkoMandy> updating from linux does not usually work really good[22:04:15] <kirilla> like on HD or another USB stick[22:04:23] <hexel> I'm doing jam -q @disk update-all and all seems to run perfectly[22:04:29] <kirilla> installing over should merge[22:04:40] <PulkoMandy> so best way is to make a fresh install (cd, usb stick, or another partition) and then run installer from there to update the first one[22:04:41] <kirilla> when using the Installer apps[22:04:43] <kirilla> app[22:04:59] <hexel> but at the end i get this: Error: Failed to create `/myfs/home/Desktop/artwork/HAIKU logo - white on blue - big.png': File exists[22:04:59] <hexel> Error: Command failed: File exists[22:04:59] <hexel> Error: Command was:[22:04:59] <hexel> cp -f -r -x .svn :./data/artwork/. /myfs/home/Desktop/artwork[22:04:59] <hexel> export imagePath="/dev/sdb11"[22:05:00] <hexel> export isImage="1"[22:05:02] <hexel> export isVMwareImage=""[22:05:04] <hexel> build/scripts/build_haiku_image generated/haiku.image-init-vars generated/haiku.image-make-dirs generated/haiku.image-copy-files generated/haiku.image-extract-files[22:05:07] <hexel> ...failed BuildHaikuImage1 /dev/sdb11 ...[22:05:11] <hexel> ...failed updating 1 target(s)...[22:05:13] <hexel> ...updated 450 target(s)...[22:05:29] <kirilla> what PulkoMandy said[22:05:57] <kirilla> using a clean, new Haiku to boot and install over the other, existing[22:06:05] <hexel> yeah[22:06:25] <hexel> how do i install it on a usb device?[22:06:35] <kirilla> I haven't used update-all myself[22:06:48] *** kieselsteini2 has quit IRC[22:06:52] <kirilla> same as to a HD partition, I think[22:06:54] <kirilla> no?[22:07:00] <hexel> ok[22:07:07] <kirilla> just another device path[22:07:19] <hexel> What should I do after I installed it on usb?[22:07:38] <kirilla> you probably want the device path of the raw usb stick, not to a partition on it[22:08:01] <kirilla> boot off it, run Installer and install to that other partition you want upgraded[22:08:22] <hexel> ok[22:08:29] <hexel> understood that[22:08:30] <kirilla> this procedure should keep your settings and files (fingers crossed)[22:08:55] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:09:05] <kirilla> s/fingers crossed/god willing/[22:09:10] <PulkoMandy> basically system/ will be replaced, everything else will be merged[22:09:19] <hexel> but maybe I don't have to upgrade if you can help me to get my current install to boot[22:09:46] <kirilla> what happens?[22:09:49] <hexel> I've been running haiku for a more than a year now, but just gcc2[22:09:55] <mmadia> just to mention, upgrading existing installs is asking for issues.[22:10:07] <mmadia> different names, paths of settings files[22:10:22] <hexel> so i decided to installl gcc4 hybrid[22:10:25] <Auronandace> it is better for a clean install[22:10:26] <kirilla> mmadia is right[22:10:41] <hexel> mmadia, why does that option even exist then?[22:10:54] <kirilla> anyway, always good to back up files[22:11:03] <mmadia> as a convenience for people who know how to use it properly, i'd wager.[22:11:13] <PulkoMandy> mh[22:11:21] <mmadia> like building only select components from source.[22:11:27] *** Ingenu_ has joined #haiku[22:11:28] <PulkoMandy> overwriting a gcc2 with a gcc4hybrid will likely break things[22:14:20] <hexel> I did a clean install following these instructions at the bottom of the page: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/gcc-hybrid[22:15:02] <hexel> I can click Haiku in Grub as before now, the haiku bootmangert appears, but it cant find my haiku-partition[22:15:21] <hexel> Maybe I should mention that haiku is on sdb11[22:15:22] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:15:23] *** Ingenu_ is now known as Ingenu[22:15:35] <hexel> GCC2 only worked though[22:16:04] <mmadia> hexel : out of curiousity what do you think of that /gcc-hybrid page?[22:16:25] <mmadia> like is anything unclear, any unanswered questions, ....[22:18:14] *** helf has joined #haiku[22:18:17][22:18:45] <mmadia> yes, i've updated them earlier today[22:18:50] *** Malmis has quit IRC[22:18:54] <hexel> Ah, thats why ;)[22:19:13] <hexel> OK, I'll try the new instructions then now[22:19:16] *** Kroki has quit IRC[22:19:32] <mmadia> the net effect should be the same.[22:19:42] *** Barrett_ has quit IRC[22:19:44] <hexel> ok... :([22:19:59] <hexel> so any idea why bootman doesn't see my haiku partition?[22:20:03] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:20:19] *** largo has quit IRC[22:20:26] <hexel> bootman itself works so this is very strange[22:20:43] <mmadia> bootman doesn't work with multiple drives... it only sees the primary one in the bios or something along those lines.[22:20:57] <mmadia> there's a few tickets about it on dev.haiku-os.org[22:21:20] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:21:21] <hexel> However, it did work with the gcc2 build[22:21:46] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[22:21:51] *** helf has quit IRC[22:21:52] <hexel> Or has the functionality of bootman been reduced?[22:21:52] *** helf2 is now known as helf[22:21:54] *** largo has joined #haiku[22:22:20] <Auronandace> bootman can't boot a second drive but he's using grub to chainload so that doesn't matter right?[22:22:59] <PulkoMandy> depends on how grub does the chainloading[22:23:37] <kirilla> if grub is used, bootman is mostly out of the picture.. I mean, even if one has it on the MBR of a secondary disk, what's the point?[22:24:52] <PulkoMandy> you can use grub to load the mbr of another disk[22:25:01] <PulkoMandy> then use bootman on this disk to load haiku[22:25:04] <kirilla> yes, but why bother?[22:25:08] *** santafe has left #haiku[22:25:15] <PulkoMandy> but I'm not sure which disk bootman would seek in this case[22:25:46] <kirilla> I like bootman, but why not chainload the secondary disks partition(s) directly from grub on the primary disks mbr?[22:25:58] <Auronandace> exactly[22:26:05] <oZ]> to avoid the linux partition?[22:26:28] <hexel> well bootman was out of the picture with gcc2 but now, after grub, a menu is shown showing me failsafe options and so on and it says no device found or something similar... when i select any otion it says "Haiku" where "no device" was before. but trying to boot "no device" is shown again[22:26:32] <Auronandace> but he already has grub installed[22:27:16] <kirilla> I have grub on one box, and bootman on another :)[22:27:34] <hexel> maybe this option menu isn'rt bootman. if so, sorry for confusion[22:28:21] <kirilla> hexel: maybe your Haiku partition hasn't got the right contents[22:28:35] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[22:29:59] <hexel> well i exactly followed the instructions on that page, used my existing userbuildconfig and then installed doing jam ...[22:30:13] <kirilla> what about the option that wipes the partition[22:30:40] <hexel> Or do I have to follow other orders when trying to install hybrid?[22:30:43] <kirilla> isn't update-all and that no-wipe option incompatible with a clean install?[22:31:16] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[22:31:46] <kirilla> I forget what it's called[22:32:34] *** AlexFera has quit IRC[22:32:46] <PulkoMandy> update-all will not work if you switch from gcc2 to gcc4[22:32:54] <PulkoMandy> it will only replace files if the sourcecode has changed[22:32:59] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[22:33:05] <PulkoMandy> so you end up with a mix of gcc2 and 4 stuff[22:33:30] <hexel> I'm not talkinjg about update anymore but about a cean install that doesn't work[22:33:39] <idefix_xifedi> hexel: did you run makebootable on the target partition?[22:33:46] <hexel> no[22:33:49] <kirilla> if the objective is to have a clean install (which is good to try when things fail to boot) then one had better not use update-all, and also turn off the DONT_ERASE something something optio[22:33:54] <hexel> I've never done that[22:33:58] *** markos_ has quit IRC[22:34:16] <kirilla> I think @disk does it for you[22:34:23] <kirilla> the "makebootable" part[22:34:54] <hexel> then i have[22:34:58] *** oZ] has quit IRC[22:34:58] <hexel> I did jam -q @disk[22:35:15] <kirilla> hexel: anything special in your UserBuildConfig?[22:35:26] <hexel> I think that also formatted the partition before installing so that must be a clean install[22:35:30] <PulkoMandy> jam -q @disk should leave you with something working[22:36:01] <PulkoMandy> mh... did you use the same svn checkout for all your testing ? like, you switched it from gcc2 to 4 and rebuilt without removing the generated/ folder ?[22:36:02] <hexel> kirilla, not that i knew of except for a lot of optional packages[22:36:23] <hexel> However, almost the same Userbuildconfig as for the working gcc2[22:36:57] <hexel> PulkoMandy, I removed nothing[22:37:16] *** The123king has quit IRC[22:37:41] <hexel> But I downloaded the complete svn again... not just update[22:38:00] <kirilla> better to try removing ./generated first[22:38:06] <kirilla> and reconfiguring[22:38:54] <hexel> hmm... i'll probably remove all my haiku-source and start all over again[22:39:12] <kirilla> that's not likely the problem[22:39:30] <kirilla> but it's a clean start :][22:40:00] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[22:40:08] <hexel> Okay, I don't need a clean start if it diesn't work then after all :([22:40:10] <kirilla> aha!: #HAIKU_DONT_CLEAR_IMAGE = 1 ;[22:41:10] <kirilla> that's the option used to skip earsing the target of @disk[22:41:14] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:41:33] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[22:41:49] <hexel> i didnt use that option though[22:41:59] <kirilla> ok :)[22:42:32] <kirilla> I wonder if update-all implies that option[22:42:52] <hexel> probably[22:43:06] <hexel> I didn't do any update-all though[22:43:19] <hexel> just jam -q @disk[22:43:47] <hexel> and then it didnt boot/stopped at an options menu described above[22:43:54] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35870 /haiku/trunk/ (25 files in 24 dirs): Add new german translations from hta.[22:43:59] <hexel> sorry for confusing you[22:44:45] <Auronandace> sorry we couldn't help[22:45:04] <kirilla> yes, I'm stumped[22:45:51] <kirilla> all I can say is test an alternative path :)[22:46:21] <hexel> what kind of alternative path?[22:46:41] <kirilla> e.g. deleting one's UserBuildConfig, if one has such a file[22:46:56] <kirilla> reconfiguring[22:47:05] <kirilla> jam clean[22:47:08] <kirilla> stuff like that[22:47:42] <kirilla> if a hybrid build seems problematic, try a clean gcc2 or gcc4[22:48:02] <hexel> yeah, i'll try those updated instructions and try a hybrid gcc2 now[22:48:24] <hexel> and then be sure that i'll be back shortly if it wont work ;)[22:48:32] <kirilla> heh :)[22:49:04] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[22:49:05] <hexel> i had gcc2 before and it worked like a charme... unfortunately many apps didn't work without a hybrid :([22:49:12] <Auronandace> i hope you'll come back if it does work too[22:49:17] <hexel> :D[22:49:20] <kirilla> heh :)[22:49:41] <kirilla> or stuck watching Chart for hours :}[22:50:01] <hexel> okay, i'll go to bed now[22:50:06] <hexel> good night[22:50:09] <hexel> or good day[22:50:12] <hexel> or whatever...[22:50:14] <hexel> bye[22:50:18] <kirilla> good night hexel! see you[22:50:20] <Auronandace> see ya[22:50:32] *** hexel has quit IRC[22:50:43] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[22:51:02] <kirilla> we have no screensaver with sheep btw. that should be corrected[22:52:40] <Auronandace> wonder if you could get the electricsheep screensaver working in haiku[22:53:09] <kirilla> did it work in r5?[22:53:16] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[22:53:24] <Auronandace> no idea, never used beos[22:53:29] <kirilla> ah :)[22:53:35] <kirilla> welcome![22:54:05] <Auronandace> been using haiku since r29000's[22:54:17] <kirilla> cool[22:54:50] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[22:55:24] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[22:56:00] * JonathanThompson spies with his two little eyes a kirilla in the mist[22:56:19] <kirilla> you have eyes? :P[22:56:28] * JonathanThompson hands kirilla a towel for the dew dropped on the dude[22:56:41] <JonathanThompson> What, do you think I only have built-in ethernet ports? :D[22:56:59] <kirilla> "eye sockets" :)[22:57:12] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:57:18] <kirilla> thinking about it hurts :P[22:57:24] <JonathanThompson> Aha, I see what you're saying through my BSD eye socket interface :p[22:57:27] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[22:57:56] <kirilla> what, you're in BSD? I thought you were in OSX nowadays?[22:58:07] * JonathanThompson laughs[22:58:15] <JonathanThompson> Close enough, isn't it?[22:58:22] <kirilla> well....[22:58:39] <JonathanThompson> Yes, Apple has done a lot above and beyond :)[22:58:43] <kirilla> where freebsd is clean and ugly.. osx is unclean and pretty[22:59:01] <JonathanThompson> An interesting contrast :)[22:59:27] <kirilla> but I haven't really studied either closely[22:59:38] <JonathanThompson> Yes, OSX by default configuration bends over backwards for case sensitivity (NOT!) whereas typical unixen are case-sensitive by default for filesystem stuff.[23:00:07] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[23:00:36] <mmadia> any thoughts on improving Installer to visually display the source/target partitions? http://imagebin.org/88998[23:01:28] <kirilla> mmadia: I have a ticket on reusing the DriveSetup device view, but your image looks interesting[23:01:34] <JonathanThompson> mmadia: a good concept in general, but the implementation has an issue for readability...[23:01:57] <JonathanThompson> Make the icons and names oriented vertically instead so you don't truncate volume names.[23:02:27] <JonathanThompson> And, of course: probably don't want to include the source media in the destination media selection :)[23:02:28] *** sprma has quit IRC[23:02:40] <kirilla> vertical text hurts my head[23:02:41] <mmadia> or any RO for that matter :)[23:02:51] <JonathanThompson> No, not vertical text...[23:03:14] <JonathanThompson> The selection list, with the icons and text in their current orientation, but not a horizontal list.[23:03:17] <Auronandace> i prefer the layout of drivesetup[23:03:30] <kirilla> ah, vertical lists[23:04:13] <JonathanThompson> Here's my reasoning, mmadia : a lot of people have almost identically named volumes to choose from, usually only differing by the last few characters.[23:04:22] *** ereslibre_laptop has joined #haiku[23:04:43] <kirilla> great idea, the icons.. showing what is the CD and what is a USB stick or HDD partition.. that could be used even in the current menu items[23:04:55] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[23:05:01] <kirilla> Haiku -> Haiku :P[23:05:38] <JonathanThompson> Otherwise, I like what I see, except for the RO and the install from media also being presented as the target.[23:06:01] <Kokito> I like being able to visualice the devices, but duplicate selection means can be confusing. would it be possible to add the icons directly to the pull down menus instead?[23:06:24] <vooshy> mmadia: i like your image, maybe a haiku leaf on all haiku installed drives.[23:06:31] *** kmargar has quit IRC[23:06:37] <JonathanThompson> I think everything should be visible on a non-pulldown menu, Kokito: it scales better with multiple devices.[23:07:12] <JonathanThompson> Remember: some people have 20+ partitions in use at a time, as crazy as that may sound :)[23:07:24] <kirilla> Might it be good to also show somehow which is the current boot disk?[23:07:50] <JonathanThompson> And with Terabyte+ devices, you can put A LOT of volumes on that never get filled that are good for organizational purposes.[23:08:05] <JonathanThompson> That's also a good suggestion, kirilla.[23:08:31] <JonathanThompson> Show their device names and their mount points.[23:08:40] <JonathanThompson> That way, you can see how everything all fits together.[23:08:45] *** eml has joined #haiku[23:08:57] <JonathanThompson> And say (Unmounted) if it hasn't been mounted anywhere yet.[23:09:11] *** ereslibre_laptop has quit IRC[23:09:20] <kirilla> I don't see how mount points add anything beyond the filename itself[23:09:26] <kirilla> the volume name, I mean[23:09:32] <JonathanThompson> That way, if a user has some insanely crazy system configuration, there'll be no reason for choosing the wrong thing.[23:09:37] <Auronandace> device name, mount point and filesystem type[23:09:54] <kirilla> if the user has a crazy config, he is advanced, and knows his system well[23:10:02] <kirilla> he/she[23:10:15] <JonathanThompson> kirilla: what if you've got a complicated system with drives for each user, that are arbitrarily named, for example, or one for /bin, etc. ? What about all the other potential OSes installed?[23:10:35] <JonathanThompson> kirilla: you're making a dangerous assumption that everyone has memorized their configuration in that respect :P[23:10:47] <kirilla> then we need to inspect fstabs and shit[23:10:54] <kirilla> pardon :)[23:11:10] <JonathanThompson> Such is life if you want to make things as close to idiot-proof and friendly as possible.[23:11:35] <JonathanThompson> Remember: nothing is idiot-proof, given a sufficiently advanced idiot![23:12:04] <luroh> you rang? :)[23:12:15] * JonathanThompson hands the trophy to the ding-dong :p[23:12:56] <kirilla> heh[23:13:41] <kirilla> luroh: so you think you qualify as an -advanced- idiot? ;)[23:13:45] <JonathanThompson> One of the best places for sufficiently advanced idiots? User system testing :p[23:13:58] <JonathanThompson> Make sure to record their every move with timing accurately.[23:14:22] <kirilla> FWIW, the MacOS X installer uses a target device selector similar to what mmadia showed[23:14:25] <JonathanThompson> Inevitably, if you throw enough idiots at a system to be tested, they'll find the holes to fall into :D[23:14:31] <kirilla> or used in 10.4[23:14:43] <luroh> you're right kirilla, i tend to think too highly of myself[23:14:53] <kirilla> :))[23:15:09] <JonathanThompson> People that install Haiku are far more likely to install many partitions with multiple OSes than are OSX users.[23:16:21] <mmadia> heck, i've 13 on one disk and Haiku is the only OS on this machine ;)[23:16:26] <kirilla> I concur with Kokito that having both popup menus and this new visual selector is potentially confusing[23:16:36] <JonathanThompson> Proves my point nicely, mmadia :D[23:16:47] <mmadia> ... i can only do so much in ShowImage :P[23:17:11] <JonathanThompson> Use Tracker to display two different windows of drive partitions :)[23:17:38] <kirilla> mmadia: select grey area and drop on stuff that you want to cover? <:)[23:17:51] <JonathanThompson> Let them choose the type of details they're wanting to see when making their suggestion.[23:18:29] <kirilla> perhaps selecting a disk could show more details about.. sort of like the horrible Add/Remove software in Win's control panel[23:18:40] <JonathanThompson> Have a separate BPanel that explains the purpose of the two windows...[23:19:08] <JonathanThompson> Can Tracker now put two directories/windows in a fixed relative location right now?[23:19:17] <kirilla> thumbs down, JonathanThompson, thumbs down! :))[23:19:37] <JonathanThompson> kirilla: all ideas must be explored :P[23:19:44] <JonathanThompson> (Even yours! :D)[23:19:45] <kirilla> lol[23:21:09] <JonathanThompson> I think the more the system reuses things in a consistent manner, the better.[23:21:11] *** l_n has joined #haiku[23:21:36] <l_n> 'ello.[23:21:46] <JonathanThompson> .olle'[23:22:08] <kirilla> lo.'el[23:22:41] <Kokito> kirilla, I like the idea of using visuals (ie., icon) in the installer interface. just not sure what it should look like[23:23:31] <Kokito> mmadia, for this things, it is better to create hand-drawn sketches on paper, so that you are not constrained by the drawing tool[23:23:34] <l_n> as in icons for what you select or for the status/progress stuff?[23:24:28] *** H_MrSun has quit IRC[23:25:10] <kirilla> perhaps we could offer some installation-time entertainment, like tetris :P[23:25:22] *** alex44 has left #haiku[23:25:37] <kirilla> or, more serious, something useful,[23:25:47] <Kokito> l_n, as in icons to show the installation source and target[23:25:55] <mmadia> kirilla : ... like being able to run the various preflets.[23:26:07] <kirilla> info on Haiku.. internet resources[23:26:17] <kirilla> mmadia: yes why not[23:27:53] <PulkoMandy> mh, displaying the welcome page may be nice[23:27:56] *** joeyadams has quit IRC[23:28:01] <PulkoMandy> at least we may get people to read it :)[23:28:25] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[23:29:05] <l_n> what about an interactive tutorial to demonstrate some of the more unique and useful features of haiku?[23:29:59] <kirilla> and telling people not to turn on single-window navigation in tracker :))[23:30:05] <kirilla> jk[23:30:47] <l_n> should make that a compile-time option :P[23:32:18] <luroh> i'd like to watch someone using the spatial mode some time[23:32:28] <luroh> clearly, i must be doing something wrong[23:32:44] <luroh> that, or 1024 x 768 just doesn't cut it[23:32:49] <mmadia> single window nav is really nice, when paired with a keyboard.[23:32:54] <PulkoMandy> managing all that windows isn't that easy[23:33:07] <luroh> 'zactly, PulkoMandy[23:33:12] <mmadia> especially, as you can spawn new windows[23:33:20] <PulkoMandy> you have to get used to XRay menus, shift+click to not let all of them open, etc[23:33:32] <kirilla> luroh: if you keep getting a lot of open windows you're not using the Alt-OPTION-Up/Down[23:33:32] <PulkoMandy> stack&tile would also help a lot ...[23:34:03] <luroh> kirilla: you're right, never heard of them[23:34:18] <kirilla> it would be hopeless without those[23:34:26] <luroh> it is, it is :)[23:34:30] <kirilla> optioin to close/replace the current window[23:34:56] <kirilla> like if you option-double-click an app or a document in a folder, the folder closes[23:35:25] <kirilla> if you alt-option-down on a selected folder, the child folder replaces the parent folder[23:35:41] <kirilla> and vice versa[23:35:51] <PulkoMandy> the problem with all that stuff is discoverability[23:35:51] <kirilla> well sort of[23:35:58] <luroh> option is what, <Ctrl>?[23:36:20] <kirilla> PulkoMandy: yes, it's a bit long for a descriptive menu item[23:36:24] <PulkoMandy> as usually one doesn't look in the menus of a window when there is a simpler (and longer) path to do something, so never sees the shortcuts[23:36:38] <kirilla> luroh: window flag on my keyb[23:36:54] <luroh> oh, i don't have one on my desktop[23:37:29] <PulkoMandy> use the keymap preflet then[23:38:04] <luroh> i suppose that's doable[23:38:10] <kirilla> I rarely use my right-control for control stuff[23:38:14] <PulkoMandy> remap it to caps lock - you don't need that key anyway :D[23:38:25] <luroh> true enough :)[23:39:02] <kirilla> a bit cumbersome though, to left-alt + right-ctrl + up/down[23:39:08] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:39:20] * DaaT plops mmu_man[23:40:00] <l_n> on my keyboard, Opt is "Win" key[23:40:34] <kirilla> the one you use in games? ;)[23:40:40] <l_n> (which, oddly enough, is a picture of a house on mine)[23:41:12] <mmu_man> plop[23:47:20] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:49:01] <DaaT> mmu_man , have you seen Colin around?[23:50:03] <mmu_man> not today[23:50:15] <DaaT> thanks[23:51:33] <DaaT> bought a laptop with an Atheros wifi card but haiku doesn't recognize it[23:52:29] <mmu_man> DaaT http://identi.ca/notice/24840208[23:52:47] <DaaT> cool :)[23:52:59] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:53:09] <DaaT> congrats[23:53:40] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[23:53:48] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[23:55:32] <Kokito> congrats mmu_man![23:55:46] <mmu_man> need to do the poster[23:56:07] *** duaneb has quit IRC[23:56:12] <Kokito> what poster mmu_man?[23:56:29] <mmu_man> for the publication[23:56:51] <Kokito> what publication? :)[23:57:04] <mmu_man> it's a poster/demo session[23:57:52] <Kokito> does the poster have to have a special format and/or size?[23:58:49] <l_n> somewhere along the line something broke and my eee 1000 won't boot with recent revs. have to investigate further later.[23:59:02] * l_n[23:59:33] <mmadia> l_n : do you recall the revision that used to boot?