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[01:33:31] <Xeon4D> man...
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[01:34:35] <Xeon3D> About to write the following boot menu <- what kind of engrish is this?
[01:34:51] <flameshadow> Conversational?
[01:37:02] <flameshadow> Twitter?
[01:40:20] <AlienSoldier> ZeroWing?
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[01:40:56] <AlienSoldier> that is a translation that lack in haiku, engrish
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[01:41:42] <flameshadow> I think ZeroWing would be more like, "All your boot menu are about to be writing."
[01:42:19] <surrounder> lol
[01:42:29] <Xeon3D> that's from haiku!
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[01:42:40] <Xeon3D> from the bootman app.
[01:42:53] <Xeon3D> How can one translate something that's not even english to another language
[01:43:13] <Xeon3D> Old Master Boot Record Saved failure
[01:43:15] <Xeon3D> another one
[01:43:28] <Xeon3D> ...
[01:44:01] <Xeon3D> The strings of Haiku need to be written in a more professional way imho.
[01:44:04] <flameshadow> Guru Meditation Failure
[01:44:52] <Xeon3D> sometimes it refers to a "boot disk", other times to a "boot device"
[01:45:16] <Xeon3D> The old Master Boot Record was successfully save to %s. (save?)
[01:46:27] <AlienSoldier> The old Master was successfully saved would make for a better kungfu
[01:46:50] <Xeon3D> the PT_BR translations for these are even funnier.
[01:46:56] <Xeon3D> as in they don't make any sense.
[01:47:15] <Xeon3D> (they really look like a quick google translation, really)
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[02:06:33] <Xeon3D> btw are translations that are approved for SVN automagically updated in the nightlies?
[02:19:53] <Disreali> I believe PolkoMndy approves what translation are add to trunk. otoh, I could be misinformed
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[02:20:48] <Disreali> asking on th mail list might get you a definitive answer
[02:21:48] <Xeon3D> I'm not really in a hurry to find out.. i'll wait till someone is online.
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[02:34:08] <martinhpedersen_> So, is there some kind of mountpoint size limit in Haiku / Tracker? I've mounted my mac's itunes library via NFS, can see the dirs and files in terminal, but not in Tracker...
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[02:44:18] <Xeon3D> martinhpedersen_:  not that I know of. but i might be wrong
[02:46:23] <martinhpedersen_> Well, I guess it could be my network being to slow, if the tracker searches trough all directories.
[02:48:28] <Xeon3D> sure it isn't a NFS limitation?
[02:48:39] <Xeon3D> also note that I have 0 NFS knowledge
[02:49:19] <martinhpedersen_> hehe;) Strange that terminal would see the files if it was a NFS limitation, but u never know;p
[02:49:58] <Xeon3D> oh right.
[02:50:02] <Xeon3D> probably not then.
[02:50:50] <martinhpedersen_> VLC will play the mp3s too, but CL-Amp won't...:-$
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[02:53:18] <AlienSoldier> martinhpedersen_not much knowledge of this myself, but perhaps it's a case of seeing them with posix and not natively, but again pure guess
[02:54:00] <DDevine> Today's rule for Software: "If your software has time to show a splash screen it starts too slow."
[02:54:14] <DDevine> Thought people here could appreciate that...
[02:54:46] <DDevine> Will be good when we can get rid of Haiku's loading splash :)
[02:55:16] <bradsco> it
[02:55:19] <bradsco> it
[02:55:19] <DDevine> At the rate we are going, it's not unlikely lol. Haiku loads so bloody fast (especially when virtualised).
[02:55:27] <DDevine> it
[02:55:54] <bradsco> sheesh.. it's not too slow if you only have time to say 'zip' as the icons light up :)
[02:56:31] <CIA-50> scottmc * r644 /haikuports/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Initial creation of the haiku-apps directory, and initial addition of BeAE .bep and .OptionalPackageDescription files.
[02:59:41] <martinhpedersen_> AlienSoldier yeah, could be... Well, I guess I'll have to use my iPod for a while then :)
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[04:31:33] <l_n> =--[=]
[04:31:48] <l_n> hrm... my son loves to bang on my keyboard
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[04:40:16] <l_n> BasicCommandLineTools went away?
[04:40:55] <mmadia42> yes. Sed is now included in all images by default.
[04:42:11] <l_n> now i'm curious as to what was discussed on the mailing list to cause the silliness..
[04:43:36] <mmadia42> a while ago, it was agreed that nano should be the default editor, as it has a much lower learning curve -- and if someone gets stuck in a situation where they need it, its available.
[04:43:49] <OmniMancer> :P
[04:43:57] <OmniMancer> surely you jest?
[04:44:06] <mmadia42> at that time, a vim package was being created outside of the repo.
[04:44:23] <mmadia42> oh, no... this is what i recall :|
[04:44:23] <OmniMancer> I'm all for nano being in there but styled edit or pe should be used
[04:44:34] <stpere> we had a 2 hours long flamewar at the bar last night
[04:44:38] <stpere> was entertaining
[04:45:07] <OmniMancer> if its nano vs vim then sure nano since it doesn't require reading before you can actually edit stuff...
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[04:45:10] <mmadia42> sometime after that, newer versions of sed & tar were also being provided as optional packages.
[04:46:01] <mmadia42> then there were talks of outsourcing numerous other bits that aren't strictly needed to build haiku.
[04:51:35] <CIA-50> scottmc * r645 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/sdl-ttf/ (sdl-ttf.OptionalPackageDescription sdl-ttf-2.0.9.bep): Fixed the sdl-ttf-2.0.9 that I broke with the previous commit. Updated the .OptionalPackageDescription file, moving it back to 2.0.9 since it appears sdl-ttf-2.0.10 has not yet been officially released yet.
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[05:07:13] <l_n> after analyzing my computer usage recently, i've realized i just need a bootable web browser with an irc interface built-in
[05:12:58] <OmniMancer> chrome-os?
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[05:35:33] <CIA-50> scottmc * r646 /haikuports/trunk/media-libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Initial .bep and .OptionalPackageDescription files for ilmbase, from Michael Oliveira. Doesn't build on gcc2 (yet?)
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[06:00:54] <kitallis> Hey, all.
[06:01:08] <lancel00t> Why might, for example, libstdc++ in /boot/devel be reporting it was created in Nov. of 1970?
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[06:13:02] <lancel00t> do you think it's a clock skew thing?
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[06:15:46] <CIA-50> scottmc * r647 /haikuports/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial .bep file for tnftp, note that this is a work in progress and it is not yet working.
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[06:16:32] <duaneb> hi people
[06:16:37] <duaneb> does llvm run on haiku yet?
[06:16:53] <kitallis> yes
[06:17:34] <kitallis> llvm2.6 certainly does, couldn't get the one in the trunk working
[06:18:05] <kitallis> duaneb, follow the build instructions from this package http://www.haikuware.com/directory/start-download/development/language/ldc-+-tango
[06:18:13] <duaneb> ok
[06:18:25] <duaneb> no, just as long as there's at least one version running :P
[06:18:30] <duaneb> lol D
[06:20:17] <OmniMancer> trunk used to
[06:20:23] <OmniMancer> needs more fixing now :(
[06:20:51] <kitallis> OmniMancer, the patch you wrote was for which version?
[06:20:53] <OmniMancer> its better if trunk does since 2.6 is ancient and has terrible terrible bugs
[06:21:05] <OmniMancer> it was for the trunk a while back
[06:21:09] <kitallis> k
[06:21:15] <OmniMancer> and most of it went into the actual repo
[06:21:22] <kitallis> all of it did
[06:21:25] <kitallis> i checked.
[06:21:30] <OmniMancer> it was mainly having configure do haiku
[06:21:40] <OmniMancer> and make gtest like hiaku
[06:21:47] <OmniMancer> haiku
[06:21:58] <OmniMancer> and make one function not work but not error
[06:22:25] <OmniMancer> I think last time I tried it ran into other issues
[06:23:04] <OmniMancer> also configure will try to detect pthreads and either fail, or detect it and mistakenly want to link against libpthread when building
[06:23:18] <kitallis> if i remember correctly, it cracked up at the System Type Big Endian Checking thing
[06:23:37] <OmniMancer> I don't think cmake detects pthreads either :/
[06:23:44] <OmniMancer> hmmm
[06:23:57] <OmniMancer> don't know how they are checking that haven't looked in a long time
[06:25:19] <kitallis> i'll be trying out again in a moment, need to install haiku on a disk, the 2.6 compilation went into some Virtual mem problem
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[06:29:54] <OmniMancer> by any chance were you building the debug version?
[06:30:19] <OmniMancer> kitallis?
[06:30:34] <kitallis> I don't think so
[06:31:25] <kitallis> i got it from here, http://llvm.org/docs/GettingStarted.html#checkout
[06:35:08] <OmniMancer> did you build it with ENABLE_OPTIMIZED?
[06:35:32] <OmniMancer> make ENABLE_OPTIMIZED=1
[06:35:33] <OmniMancer> ??
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[06:36:15] <OmniMancer> kitallis?
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[06:36:55] <kitalis> here.
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[06:37:20] <OmniMancer> so did you build it with
[06:37:23] <OmniMancer> make ENABLE_OPTIMIZED=1
[06:37:29] <OmniMancer> or were you using cmake?
[06:37:40] <kitallis> i used cmake
[06:37:48] <kitallis> not configure
[06:38:01] <kitallis> wait, imma try now, on the VM for now
[06:38:02] <OmniMancer> ah
[06:38:15] <OmniMancer> then its whatever way you make cmake build optimised
[06:38:55] <kitallis> i didn't get that
[06:39:19] <lancel00t> okay I think I have the problem solved, now, if the file /haiku/generated.x86gcc4hybrid/objects/haiku/x86/release/libs/stdc++/current/libstdc++.so shows the right time stamp on my linux host will the image include the correct time stamp, ie. not 1970?
[06:41:02] <OmniMancer> I think its make it build in release mode
[06:41:14] <OmniMancer> its just that debug tends to use too much memory on linking
[06:44:11] <kitallis> oh okay, for that virtual memory thing.
[06:44:19] <OmniMancer> yea
[06:44:39] <OmniMancer> it seems that at some point haiku just kills it rather than using virtual memory or something
[06:45:13] <kitallis> VM uses the harware to render, if i'm not wrong
[06:45:36] <kitallis> if that's the case, it won't make a difference
[06:46:07] <kitallis> (running on the VM or disk, that is)
[06:50:45] <OmniMancer> ??
[06:50:59] <OmniMancer> hardware to render what?
[06:51:50] <kitallis> the system
[06:52:11] <OmniMancer> you aren't making much sense
[06:52:13] <kitallis> anyway, i think configure with --enable-optimized finished without errors
[06:52:16] <OmniMancer> do you mean to display?
[06:52:21] <kitallis> yes
[06:52:30] <OmniMancer> no the VM uses an emulated graphics card
[06:52:44] <OmniMancer> but that has absolutly nothing to do with virtual memory :P
[06:53:07] <OmniMancer> and as far as I remember the debug build failed on real hardware too
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[07:06:14] <CIA-50> augiedoggie * r648 /haikuporter/trunk/haikuporter:
[07:06:14] <CIA-50> Replaced the old BUILD/INSTALL command code with a simplified and improved version.
[07:06:14] <CIA-50> This should allow for easier scripting in those sections.
[07:06:14] <CIA-50> It also makes haikuporter behave as it is documented on some of the wiki pages.
[07:06:17] <kitallis> OmniMancer, no, the versions > 3 ; especially VMware Fusion and Vmware player use real rendering
[07:06:32] <kitallis> s/rendering/hw
[07:06:44] <kitallis> the ESX - 3 versions emulate
[07:07:37] <kitallis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware-assisted_virtualization
[07:15:39] <OmniMancer> oh
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[07:25:29] <CIA-50> scottmc * r649 /haikuports/trunk/haiku-apps/beae/beae-20.bep: Updated BeAE .bep to probably build the zip file.
[07:27:34] <lancel00t> ok, why are all the developmental files timestamped 1970/1971 please?
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[07:31:40] <lancel00t> OmniMancer: do you know why all the develop files are timestamped for the 70's?
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[08:16:27] <CIA-50> scottmc * r35849 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Added BeAE as an optionalpackage, so far just for gcc2 builds, might also work on gcc4, but haven't tested that yet.
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[08:34:14] <kitallis> sup OmniMancer
[08:34:34] <n9986> lol hi kitallis
[08:35:08] <kitallis> so i atleast got that virtual mem problem fixed, just increased the memory thingy to 768
[08:35:15] <kitallis> n9986, what.
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[09:09:55] <stargater> hi
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[09:13:37] <stargater> hi Kokito
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[09:18:19] <Kokito> hallo stargater
[09:24:56] <Kokito> well, hello and good bye, as I am going to sleep now. night!
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[09:51:02] <kitallis> OmniMancer, too many disconnects, eh? :P
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[09:54:16] <kirilla> good morning
[09:55:34] <kirilla> stippi: the IconButton from LaunchButton, it seems to support drawing of a string label. That doesn't appear to work when I try to use it.
[09:56:20] <kirilla> hah. gone :P
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[10:06:40] <linkslice> ev'nin
[10:07:02] <linkslice> hey largo howzit?
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[10:13:56] <Lelldorin1> hello all
[10:14:53] <Lelldorin1> can anyone help me? how can i open a terminal over a script with output information? example: terminal open and the include: cd7boot/home
[10:21:24] <kirilla> Lelldorin1: please explain more what you want to happen
[10:21:38] <kirilla> do you want to double-click a file and have something happen?
[10:22:02] <linkslice> terminal over a script?
[10:22:16] <kirilla> or have a script that does something when run from within Terminal?
[10:22:53] <Lelldorin1> i want to open a terminal window and switch into /boot/home/ for example
[10:23:09] <kitallis> add an alias probably?
[10:23:19] <Lelldorin1> yes
[10:23:47] <Lelldorin1> open termianl window and auotmatic run command cd /boot7home
[10:24:37] <Lelldorin1> this does not run: Terminal "cd /boot/home"
[10:24:48] <kirilla> fwiw, Terminal always starts in /boot/home
[10:24:58] <CIA-50> stippi * r310 /webkit/trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs):
[10:24:59] <CIA-50> * Made BWebPage download related methods and listener member static.
[10:24:59] <CIA-50> * Introduced BWebPage::RequestDownload() public API (expected to run
[10:24:59] <CIA-50> synchronous).
[10:24:59] <CIA-50> * Added necessary wiring for "Download this link" in context menus.
[10:24:59] <CIA-50> * Restarting downloads works in principle, although with some quirks.
[10:24:59] <CIA-50> (Sometimes it appears the "Desktop" is being downloaded...)
[10:25:22] <Lelldorin1> kirilla
[10:25:26] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: Terminal "cd /boot/common/bin"
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[10:26:52] <kirilla> I don't suppose Terminal's settings files can change the current directory?
[10:27:05] <kitallis> you could probably do "alias switch="cd directorypathlol"
[10:27:50] <kirilla> using a shell settings file (.profile?) might do the trick, but then it happens to you always
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[10:33:02] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: thanx i will try it out
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[10:33:45] <kirilla> Lelldorin1: try adding "cd /boot/whatever/" as a line in /boot/home/.bashrc
[10:36:25] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: i dont have a file like this in my hoe folder
[10:37:28] <kirilla> Lelldorin1: try making one :)
[10:37:42] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: no effect
[10:38:57] <kirilla> I don't know then.
[10:39:04] <kirilla> sorry about that :)
[10:39:23] <Lelldorin1> kirilla: thanx
[10:40:17] <Lelldorin1> haha: i add line into .profile and this run
[10:40:32] <kirilla> anybody know of a Haiku-included app which loads vector icons from its own resources?
[10:40:43] <kirilla> Lelldorin1: great
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[10:59:18] <linkslice> any1 gotten webpositive to work?
[10:59:30] <linkslice> i get missing libs errors
[10:59:32] <linkslice> :-(
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[11:07:39] <CIA-50> stippi * r35850 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/activitymonitor/ActivityView.cpp:
[11:07:39] <CIA-50> Subtract the dragger size more consequently from the legend frame, fixing the
[11:07:39] <CIA-50> ugly big color indicators.
[11:07:39] <CIA-50> BTW, I noticed that the ActivityView is not really using layout management at
[11:07:39] <CIA-50> all. But with the incomplete archiving features, this probably wouldn't work
[11:07:40] <CIA-50> too well anyway.
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[11:13:11] <largo> linkslice: which version? the latest?
[11:13:18] <CIA-50> laplace * r35851 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/ (FileSelectionPage.cpp PartitionsPage.cpp): (log message trimmed)
[11:13:18] <CIA-50> Fixed UI issues:
[11:13:18] <CIA-50> * Centered "file" text control and "select" button vertically.
[11:13:18] <CIA-50> * Made "file" text control smaller, so it is not overlapped by "select"
[11:13:18] <CIA-50> button.
[11:13:19] <CIA-50> * Updated the scroll bar proportions in the "partitions" list.
[11:13:19] <CIA-50> * Positioned rows in "partitions" list correctly so they do not overlap.
[11:13:21] <largo> I was using r307 of it like a day or two ago.
[11:13:28] <largo> I haven't tried r309 yet.
[11:13:53] <linkslice> i d/l'd 307 but it says i'm missing stuff
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[11:35:39] <linkslice> I'm trying to compile and getting the error described here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/error-c-preprocessor-libcpp-fails-sanity-check-192195/
[11:39:07] <largo> linkslice: which build of Haiku?
[11:39:16] <largo> oh.... trying to compile it.
[11:39:17] <linkslice> alpha 1
[11:39:28] <linkslice> well I'm trying to port netatalk
[11:39:30] <largo> you might need the nightly builds of Haiku.
[11:40:06] <largo> I would think you'd really want to be using the latest Haiku if you're trying to port stuff, unless you're specifically aiming for it to work with Alpha1.
[11:40:11] <linkslice> I just think it might be neat for people to be able to use haiku as their timemachine host
[11:40:50] <largo> well, see what the other more qualified folks here have to say. ;)
[11:41:00] <largo> my opinion doesn't mean much. :D
[11:41:15] <linkslice> I wonder if it's the gcc2/4 thing
[11:41:25] <linkslice> but yeah hoping somebody knows
[11:41:37] <linkslice> I havn't had to modify much so far though
[11:45:19] <linkslice> i'll check tomorrow
[11:45:29] <linkslice> nn
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[12:33:54] <CIA-50> korli * r35852 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/png/Jamfile: adjusted png library version as suggested by Oliver. I hope I got it right!
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[13:01:46] <CIA-50> korli * r35853 /haiku/vendor/libtiff/ (. current/): libtiff vendor dir
[13:05:40] <CIA-50> korli * r35854 /haiku/vendor/libtiff/current/ (470 files in 26 dirs): import of libtiff 3.9.2
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[13:12:30] <CIA-50> korli * r35855 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/tiff/: copied libtiff 3.9.2 to trunk
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[13:37:51] <_zapp> hi, when i try to install haiku (in virtualbox) from the last nightly build, i get this error: http://img717.yfrog.com/i/snapshot1q.png/   does someone know what the problem is?
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[13:41:54] <kirilla> if you press Debug it might say something useful
[13:42:07] <kirilla> never seen that error myself
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[13:42:47] <kirilla> what revision of Haiku did you use? (and from what source?)
[13:43:59] <kirilla> oh, sorry. Seems I didn't read too closely
[13:45:25] <_zapp> when i press debug i get: http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9562/snapshot2z.png i used the haiku-nightly-r35849-x86gcc4hybrid-cd.zip from haiku files
[13:46:43] <kirilla> huh
[13:46:51] <_zapp> i tried to use the vmware image, but it does not boot unless i disable user add-ons
[13:47:39] <kirilla> has previous revisions worked in the same virtualbox?
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[13:48:28] <kirilla> I'm clueless as to what might have gone wrong.
[13:50:17] <_zapp> last time i tried haiku i used the alpha release. it worked fine ( but in an other vbox. i reinstalled my linux system)
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[13:51:33] <CIA-50> jackburton * r35856 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/SeparatorItem.cpp:
[13:51:33] <CIA-50> Set the preferred height of the separator to be always even, since, and center
[13:51:33] <CIA-50> the horizontal lines which represents it to the actual bounds. Should fix
[13:51:33] <CIA-50> #5440.
[13:52:36] <_zapp> hmmm, then i maybe try the alpha again. thanks for your help.
[13:52:51] <kirilla> _zapp: I don't use virtualbox myself, but I often install on hardware
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[13:53:09] <kirilla> and it's never happened to me, not with the latest rev either
[13:53:15] <kirilla> fwiw <:)
[13:53:37] <kirilla> np _zapp
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[14:26:21] <ElBiT0r> hi all
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[14:35:00] <__goo__> Reagarding gsoc 2010, i was browsing through the ideas list and came across http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2010/ideas#network -> creating a C++ network class framework
[14:35:10] <__goo__> Why not just use libcurl?
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[14:41:32] <martinhpedersen_> Hmm... I thought that would be a part of "Creating Services Kit"?
[14:44:01] <PulkoMandy> __goo__, I guess because they are not caring for long-term binary compatibility ?
[14:44:43] <PulkoMandy> that was the problem with ICU and the locale kit for example, ICU was used but we needed to add a wrapping layer around it so when ICU is updated, old apps still run with the newer version
[14:45:05] <PulkoMandy> as curl is already a wrapper around regular sockets, wrapping around it would not make much sense...
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[14:46:55] <__goo__> ok
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[14:56:26] <noidhoon> hi all
[14:57:04] <largo> howdy :)
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[15:00:00] <Disreali2> morning largo
[15:00:25] <largo> morning :)
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[15:00:33] <largo> really quiet Sunday morning here.
[15:00:41] <largo> (here at my house)
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[15:01:24] <Disreali2> sounds nice, it's a cold rainy morning here
[15:01:58] <Disreali2> I actually like it
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[15:09:53] <CIA-50> korli * r35857 /haiku/trunk/ (75 files in 5 dirs):
[15:09:53] <CIA-50> * moved tiff public headers to headers/libs/tiff
[15:09:53] <CIA-50> * build shared and static libraries for libtiff, cleaned libtiff sources
[15:09:53] <CIA-50> * TIFFTranslator now uses this library
[15:09:53] <CIA-50> I used 3.8 as library version as it seems the API didn't change since then
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[15:16:33] <Xeon3D> morning
[15:16:44] <Xeon3D> erm
[15:16:47] <Xeon3D> *afternoon
[15:16:55] <Xeon3D> gotta love the spring-like weather
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[15:23:41] <largo> Xeon3D: definitely :) I think I've had my fill of winter here. we're up to 5C here today  ;)
[15:25:26] <Xeon3D> 5C is fricking cold by my standards
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[15:36:35] <largo> Xeon3D: I'm up here in Michigan... it gets a little chilly. ;)
[15:36:37] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35858 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/Utilities.cpp: Identifiers in BMessages should not be localized.
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[15:50:35] <CIA-50> pulkomandy * r35859 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/screenshot/ScreenshotWindow.cpp: Dummy strings used as size indicators should not be localized.
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[15:54:15] <kirilla> on the HTA site, the completeness sidebar looks like it's based on the full set of languages know to man
[15:54:38] <kirilla> hence, no meaningful completeness bars
[15:55:39] <kirilla> if it was based on the languages that have begun getting translated, it might be more meaningful
[16:01:02] <Xeon3D> or the languages that might have a chance of getting translated.
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[16:10:15] <Xeon3D> kirilla: but thats a small perk compared to what some of the original phrases are constructed.
[16:10:39] <PulkoMandy> where do you see such a global bar ?
[16:11:18] <PulkoMandy> Xeon3D, if you have problems with badly formulated or otherwise difficult to translate strings (or any other translation error), please mail me
[16:11:30] <PulkoMandy> I can fix them, but I do not have time to track them all
[16:11:47] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy:  email ? =D
[16:12:02] <PulkoMandy> pulkomandy at gmail dot om
[16:12:04] <PulkoMandy> .com
[16:12:15] <Xeon3D> in the bootman app there are two or three...
[16:12:26] <Xeon3D> and some repetitions as well.
[16:12:50] <kirilla> PulkoMandy: HTA side, front page, right side-bar
[16:13:23] <kirilla> completeness per component
[16:13:59] <kirilla> oh wait, I missunderstood :P
[16:14:19] <kirilla> Abkhazian.. that's why all bars are a 0%
[16:14:29] <kirilla> foot meet mouth
[16:14:33] <Xeon3D> I think what he means was that there are languages there that are probably never going to be translated
[16:14:37] <kirilla> again .. one of these days
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[16:15:20] <kirilla> no I thought, in my overcaffeinated mind, that the initial bars where the sum of all languages completeness
[16:15:27] <Xeon3D> ohhhhh
[16:15:30] <Xeon3D> i see. :)
[16:15:38] <kirilla> hence, very little completeness
[16:15:48] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy:  http://hta.haikuzone.net/dev-how-to <- check the comments
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[16:17:01] <kirilla> Xeon3D: your comment?
[16:17:19] <vidvisitor> Hello everyone when i downloaded files from haiku-files.org and i want to link them in the tracker menu how can i do that
[16:17:25] <Xeon3D> y
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[16:17:41] <Xeon3D> vidvisitor:  define link them...
[16:17:46] <lancel00t> hi, sorry about all my stupid questions last night
[16:17:53] <kirilla> vidvisitor: select a folder from the menu
[16:17:57] <Xeon3D> no need to apologise.
[16:18:32] <Xeon3D> man my english comprehension skills are lacking up today.
[16:18:34] <vidvisitor> yes i want to the tracker and then select application and then i want to see my application
[16:18:36] <lancel00t> I have probably another one...why might when I cross compile on haiku jam states it can't build 500 some targets?
[16:18:48] <kirilla> vidvisitor: then right-drag an app from where it lives, and select make shortcut (or whatever the option is called)
[16:18:59] <vidvisitor> ok i will try
[16:19:07] <Xeon3D> lancel00t:  does the FS you're using support xattr?
[16:19:33] <lancel00t> Xeon3D: I was under the assumption BFS supported xattr
[16:19:50] <Xeon3D> wait
[16:20:03] <Xeon3D> crosscompiling on haiku? what are you compiling then?
[16:20:05] <kirilla> vidvisitor: or you can simply select the application in the folder where it it stored (open that folder first) and create a shortcut right there, from the context menu, and then move the shortcut to the Deskbar menu
[16:20:06] <vidvisitor> oh is there a terminal command for a shortcut?
[16:20:22] <Xeon3D> <vidvisitor> oh is there a terminal command for a shortcut? <- ln
[16:20:37] <kirilla> vidvisitor: ln --help
[16:20:40] <Xeon3D> to create one that is
[16:20:48] <vidvisitor> ok thank you
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[16:20:52] <kirilla> use ln -s
[16:21:02] <Xeon3D> if you're compiling haiku on haiku, you're not crosscompiling I think.
[16:21:28] <lancel00t> I am doing a jam -q haiku-image build after running configure on generated.gcc2 and generated.gcc4. Which is somewhat besides the point because it cant compile 500 targets if I don't build hybrid
[16:21:38] <lancel00t> yeah my misuse of terminology, im building hybrid.
[16:21:54] <Xeon3D> I have 0 knowledge about compilink haiku on haiku :/
[16:22:03] <l_n> what OS are you using to build it, lancel00t
[16:22:11] <lancel00t> l_n: haiku
[16:22:24] <l_n> what error is it giving?
[16:22:44] <lancel00t> jam is telling me it does not know how to build target X
[16:22:47] <Xeon3D> btw shouldn't you be using an @ as in jam -q @haiku-image
[16:23:01] <lancel00t> yeah I am using @
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[16:23:25] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy:  what do you think?
[16:24:16] <l_n> @haiku-image isn't a valid target, IIRC.
[16:24:25] <l_n> haiku-image is, though.
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[16:25:07] <l_n> the default @ targets are @alpha-{raw,vmware,cd} @nightly-{raw,vmware,cd} IIRC
[16:25:08] <Xeon3D> I thought all build profiles needed a @ sign
[16:25:19] <l_n> build profiles, yes. targets, no.
[16:25:48] <Xeon3D> now i'm confused.
[16:25:50] <Xeon3D> so if I ca
[16:25:57] <l_n> haiku-image is a target and so is install-haiku.. the profiles use those targets with sets of default options defined in a build file in build/jam/
[16:26:16] <Xeon3D> oh i see.
[16:26:21] <Xeon3D> i think. :/
[16:26:25] * Xeon3D needs coffee
[16:27:24] <l_n> Xeon3D: see build/jam/UserBuildConfig.*
[16:27:49] <lancel00t> i know I am using a custom build profile defined in UserBuildConfig
[16:28:20] <l_n> if you have a build profile set, then you need to run jam -q @<your-profile-name>
[16:28:32] <lancel00t> that's what I'm doing
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[16:29:01] <PulkoMandy> Xeon3D, yes, saw the comment, there are some other things I want to cleanup then I'll look at this one
[16:29:11] <l_n> pastebin your UserBuildConfig, then.
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[16:29:15] <lancel00t> np
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[16:30:23] <lancel00t> http://pastebin.ca/1839534
[16:30:25] <philcostin> does everything PNG need to be recompiled? BeZillaBrowser and WebPositive aren't working correctly for me on the latest build. ABI breakage?
[16:30:35] <philcostin> maybe I'm slow to the party...
[16:31:08] * Xeon3D will be back later...
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[16:31:39] <leszek> hi
[16:32:15] <brechtm> philcostin: IIRC the commit messages mentioned ABI changes
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[16:33:34] <l_n> lancel00t: you could just define those options without the build profile.. since you only have one.. also, you don't need the image size argument if you're using the install command.. just a valid bfs partition to install to.
[16:34:05] <philcostin> brechtm: yeah, I guess the packages will need to be recompiled then
[16:34:44] <lancel00t> l_n: good advice for sure, but I have a feeling it will not alter the state of the error messages. Which at this point I'm not sure if they are/aren't trivial...
[16:35:31] <l_n> http://pastebin.ca/1839547
[16:35:54] <l_n> that's what i'm using.. and back to my original question: what *exactly* are the error messages?
[16:36:39] <lancel00t> l_n: I don't have them handy, the build is probably 50% in and I didn't write them down
[16:36:57] <CIA-50> laplace * r35860 /haiku/trunk/data/image_directories/home-config-settings-printers-save-as-pdf.rdef:
[16:36:57] <CIA-50> Reverted r35043. The "Save as PDF" printer could not save to
[16:36:57] <CIA-50> a PDF file, because it could not locate the "Print To file"
[16:36:57] <CIA-50> transport add-on.
[16:38:12] <l_n> aw3e`3`333333333333333333e43ee33e3e3e3`e33we2h7ywe2s2c7ee777777777777777c6yv7wedcy7h32wes777w7yw7eeeeeeee77e34444tgsghngh chttp://pastebin.ca/1839547tyhdcvnjyhe cv.';;;
[16:38:27] <l_n> 1 yr vold got the comkputer
[16:38:37] <l_n> s/vol/ol/
[16:38:44] <l_n> s/mkp/mp/
[16:39:46] <leszek> ?
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[16:40:54] <l_n> my son decided to start banging on the keyboard... i left my netbook on the couch, forgetting that my son would grab it and start banging on the keyboard.
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[17:02:13] <McBersaas> martinhpedersen_ !! ;D
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[17:30:27] <Kokito> good morning
[17:30:46] <largo> おはよう～
[17:30:59] <largo> 12:34 here. :)
[17:33:17] <kirilla> hi Kokito
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[17:37:17] <Kokito> good morning largo & kirilla :)
[17:37:18] <martinhpedersen_> Evening ;)
[17:37:31] * Kokito needs some serious dose of coffee very urgently
[17:37:38] <Kokito> oh, hi martinhpedersen_!
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[18:05:26] <l_n> Kokito: maybe you should look into a caffeine IV drip...
[18:05:33] <kitallis> :O
[18:06:23] <Kokito> l_n, I am not that far from it already :)
[18:07:00] <Kokito> soccer game time. bbl
[18:07:02] <l_n> my wife thinks i am insane because i suggested that i have a feeding tube installed so i can eat while i sleep and increase the overall efficiency of my time use.
[18:07:55] <saivert> except the digestive system will make you hungry during the day anyways. only way to make it work would be if you also slowed down your metabolism
[18:08:22] <saivert> but I'm not sure if you could perform 100% then
[18:08:29] <saivert> so it would negate the whole thing
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[18:49:26] <lancer> Yeah so with jam -q with the modified UserBuildConfig the build attempts to create a alternativegcclib.zip archive and fails. I am following instructions from the hybrid thread off the dev. guides on haiku-os.org.
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[18:58:58] <romulo> hi there =]
[18:59:31] <NightlyUser> hi
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[19:00:47] <OmniMancer> hi
[19:01:25] <kitallis> OmniMancer!
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[19:03:12] <romulo> do we have intl anywhere?
[19:03:52] <OmniMancer> intl?
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[19:05:20] <romulo> intltool
[19:06:15] <kirilla> romulo: there's a thing called collectcatkeys
[19:06:26] <kirilla> which sounds similar in nature
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[19:08:55] <romulo> well im trying to compile a library that depends on it, i dont really wanna use it now :P
[19:09:55] <OmniMancer> what library would that be?
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[19:10:11] <romulo> libpurple
[19:11:16] <OmniMancer> ah
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[19:13:28] <romulo> looks like the configure script is bugged
[19:13:51] <NightlyUser> are you porting pidgin?
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[19:14:14] <OmniMancer> maybe the configure script is just made for linux :P
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[19:14:46] <OmniMancer> NightlyUser: That is highly unlikely since pidgin is a gtk app
[19:15:00] <OmniMancer> would be simpler to write a new client
[19:15:09] <NightlyUser> making a new frontend then?
[19:15:12] <romulo> pidgin is, libpurple not
[19:15:32] <OmniMancer> I know libpurple isn't gtk
[19:15:46] <OmniMancer> but libpurple is sorta linuxy
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[19:15:59] <romulo> i dont think so, it runs on a bunch of platforms
[19:16:03] <romulo> linux, bsd, windows
[19:16:13] <OmniMancer> perhaps find out how its built on windows
[19:16:43] <kitallis> ?
[19:17:03] <romulo> why?
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[19:19:32] <kirilla> maybe OmniMancer is insinuating that it took a lot of porting and/or setting up e.g. CygWin to make it "portable"
[19:19:35] <OmniMancer> since windows is a not unix platform and it may give you insight into certain things
[19:19:45] <romulo> hmm
[19:20:22] <kirilla> I don't know much about libpurple myself
[19:20:25] <OmniMancer> it may just have used msys you don't need cygwin for most things if you do a little porting
[19:22:15] <mmadia> romulo : check ports.haiku-files.org
[19:22:28] <OmniMancer> indeed
[19:22:30] <mmadia> i know that intltool 0.4x does compile
[19:25:29] <romulo> intltool shouldnt be needed if i passed --disable-nls but seems that the configure file is broken
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[19:26:00] <romulo> from google i saw that they fixed this problem already on transmission
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[19:26:31] <OmniMancer> hmmm
[19:26:42] <OmniMancer> does it use autoconf?
[19:27:06] <romulo> ye
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[19:28:51] <OmniMancer> hmm
[19:28:59] <OmniMancer> what is nls?
[19:29:18] <HeTo> national language support
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[19:30:36] <OmniMancer> ah
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[19:32:03] <OmniMancer> it would be nice to use libpurple as a backend for something like im_server
[19:32:28] <mmadia> doesn't libpurple require dbus or some horribly nasty dependency?
[19:32:29] <romulo> thats my idea.
[19:32:36] <romulo> mmadia: you can disable it
[19:33:03] <romulo> if i get libpurple to compile, i can start a IM program for haiku =]
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[19:33:16] <romulo> and maybe, fill a summer of code project for it =]
[19:33:28] <NightlyUser> now that would be sweet
[19:33:58] <mmadia> it'd be interesting to see what the developers of Caya think too...   dev.osdrawer.net/projects/caya
[19:34:33] <mmadia> basically, it's a redesign of IMKit, to be more developer friendly.
[19:35:03] <OmniMancer> maybe make plugins for caya using libpurple?
[19:35:54] <DraX> caya isn't a redesign of imkit
[19:36:14] <DraX> caya is a standalone IM client, imkit is an im_server
[19:36:40] <mmadia> from what pier mentioned, it was going to be able to support additional clients.
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[19:37:18] <OmniMancer> I would like an imkit like approach but caya does appear to be a client not a server
[19:37:59] <OmniMancer> well a client not a haiku server that acts as a client to the im world
[19:39:04] <DraX> mmadia: the impression i got from pier was it would support that sort of kind of because every beos app supports that sort of kind of
[19:39:23] <DraX> bbiab
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[19:40:42] <romulo> found a patch in freebsd for transmission that disable their nls support, ill see if i can match it on libpurple
[19:41:01] <OmniMancer> look in the configure.ac
[19:42:00] <romulo> thats what i am doing
[19:42:14] <OmniMancer> yay
[19:42:34] <romulo> installing vim first
[19:42:38] <romulo> cant work without it
[19:42:55] <brechtm> Is there a tabbed editor for Haiku BTW
[19:43:08] <brechtm> I never find the window I need with Pe
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[19:43:36] <OmniMancer> doubt it
[19:44:07] <brechtm> hmm, the Window menu in Pe can ease the pain
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[19:44:47] <romulo> hnm i should download my own haiku copy and do a clean install instead of using vmware :P
[19:44:56] <romulo> well, if my other network card works, ill work from my other notebook
[19:45:09] <romulo> i wish i had enough knowledge to work on vga drivers to do multi monitor support
[19:45:40] <brechtm> romulo: you can aqcuire the knowledge
[19:45:45] <brechtm> romulo: all you need is time :)
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[19:48:46] <CIA-50> korli * r35861 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bus/firewire/fw_raw.c: pass the firewire comm cookie instead of the bus driver cookie
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[19:50:02] <kirilla> heh
[19:50:06] <kirilla> bus driver cookie
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[19:53:54] <JonathanThompson> Every bus driver needs a cookie to help keep them awake, kirilla !
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[19:56:37] <kirilla> they can have the whole jar if they just take me to work in time :P
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[20:01:28] <JonathanThompson> Great: next thing you know, you have morbidly obese bus drivers from all the cookies in cookie jars everyone is giving them :p
[20:02:44] <mmadia> 1 year ago, Haiku was at r29518 : http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/29518
[20:03:04] <kirilla> JonathanThompson: as long as I get to work in time! ;P
[20:03:05] <mmadia> 6,300+ revisions since then.
[20:03:19] <JonathanThompson> So, a bit over 6000 revisions a year.
[20:03:35] <kirilla> horaa!
[20:03:50] <JonathanThompson> kirilla: if the bus driver gets too fat, they'll need to increase the fare due to fuel costs :D
[20:04:14] <mmadia> 2 years ago, we were at r24931
[20:04:16] <JonathanThompson> (That, and a specially modified bus designed for morbidly obese drivers)
[20:04:45] <kirilla> that and the bus might not fit any passengers
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[20:04:50] <JonathanThompson> So, for whatever it means, the pace of revisions has increased.
[20:05:00] <mmadia> and 3 years ago, w20384
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[20:05:07] <JonathanThompson> However, my observation is that may not mean what you think it means.
[20:05:09] <mmadia> yeah, at about 1K a  year :)
[20:06:58] * kirilla gives JonathanThompson a cookies for every revision
[20:07:16] * JonathanThompson thinks perhaps he needs a larger apartment and stretchy pants
[20:07:49] <kirilla> dunno about the apartment, but I might be able to throw in some stretchy pants with the cookies
[20:07:54] <JonathanThompson> And a specially modified car: I'm not sure my Subaru Legacy will work well for too long at that rate :p
[20:08:26] <JonathanThompson> 500 cookies a month?  What size are these cookies?
[20:09:08] * JonathanThompson considers perhaps he should toss most of his cookies and remove that issue if issued those cookies he should toss most of
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[20:11:00] <Auronandace> i began following haiku at r29186
[20:11:29] <Auronandace> since the alpha release it's really picked up speed
[20:12:11] <Ingenu> really ? how so ?
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[20:12:40] <brechtm> hard to measure
[20:12:55] <Auronandace> wireless improvements, a native webbrowser
[20:13:19] <mmadia> countless locale related contributions,
[20:13:50] <Auronandace> i also learned a whole lot after the alpha
[20:13:52] <mmadia> kernel/vm speed improvements
[20:14:13] <Auronandace> like bootman and it's graphical installer
[20:14:20] <mmadia> i think someone even made an ImporvementsSinceR1Alpha1 page too ;)
[20:14:31] <kirilla> heh
[20:15:00] <Auronandace> it's really exciting to follow the development
[20:15:27] * JonathanThompson awaits someone to use a username of "VicariousCoder"
[20:15:30] <kirilla> maybe that wiki page could be part of the #haiku message?
[20:16:06] *** JonathanThompson is now known as VicariousCoder
[20:16:14] <VicariousCoder> There he is now!
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[20:19:27] <kirilla> time to roll up the proverbial sleeves, VicariousCoder
[20:19:42] *** brechtm is now known as JonathanThompson
[20:19:45] * VicariousCoder watches from afar and anear
[20:19:47] <JonathanThompson> let me handle the talking!
[20:19:49] * VicariousCoder l
[20:19:50] <mmadia> what about replacing : Commits: http://cia.vc/stats/project/OpenBeOS   with dev.haiku-os.org/timeline ?
[20:19:53] <VicariousCoder> aughs
[20:19:55] <VicariousCoder>  a
[20:19:57] <VicariousCoder> s
[20:19:58] <VicariousCoder> br
[20:20:00] <VicariousCoder> echt
[20:20:01] <VicariousCoder> m
[20:20:02] <VicariousCoder> loses t
[20:20:05] <VicariousCoder> his name
[20:20:06] <VicariousCoder> e curs
[20:20:09] <VicariousCoder> eses
[20:20:10] <VicariousCoder>
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[20:20:16] <VicariousCoder> Colloquy
[20:20:29] <brechtm> just in time to prevent payback
[20:20:51] <VicariousCoder> Colloquy has some weird timing issues.
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[20:21:11] <VicariousCoder> And then there's AlienSoldier :p
[20:21:57] *** VicariousCoder is now known as JonathanThompson
[20:22:13] <AlienSoldier> my spider sense tell me i missed something
[20:22:37] * JonathanThompson gets out the flyswatter
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[20:22:52] <kirilla> spiel und spaß
[20:23:02] * JonathanThompson poits helf2 in greetings
[20:23:22] <AlienSoldier> bebits got screwed bad
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[20:23:52] <kirilla> LOL
[20:24:06] <kirilla> what in gods name happened to it?
[20:24:12] * JonathanThompson guesses SQL injection
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[20:24:58] <kirilla> the end of an era
[20:25:04] * JonathanThompson wonders about the sister site...
[20:25:15] <kirilla> not with a whimper, but with a bang
[20:25:17] <Ingenu> looks like colloquy ignored all nick changes
[20:26:14] <JonathanThompson> Nah: I changed it back with /nick
[20:26:31] <DraX> we could play musical /nick s
[20:26:32] <DraX> :D
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[20:26:48] <MusicalNick> Like this?
[20:27:04] <kirilla> bl
[20:27:09] <kirilla> bbl
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[20:27:34] <DraX> heh
[20:27:41] <kirilla> Short time being kirilla.
[20:27:59] <DraX> how does it feel?
[20:28:05] <kirilla> Let's see how long it waits.
[20:28:12] <kirilla> Kirillaish!
[20:28:47] * kirilla wonders what it does when it times out: kicks or reverts?
[20:28:51] <DraX> since you're kirilla get rewriting Mail then :P
[20:29:13] * kirilla would perhaps prefer to be kirilla in the mist
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[20:30:29] <JonathanThompson> I guess I prefer my real name...
[20:32:53] <kitallis> what's going on in here.
[20:33:32] <JonathanThompson> Musical usernames!
[20:34:00] <kitallis> :|
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[20:34:46] <Ingenu> mobile colloquy laugh at your attempt to confuse me
[20:35:02] <Ingenu> it's ignoring nick changes altogether
[20:35:54] <JonathanThompson> Ha!
[20:36:04] <JonathanThompson> A special bug on the mobile mutation :D
[20:36:14] <jmayfield_> hi
[20:36:25] <Ingenu> I'd call it a feature ;)
[20:36:37] <JonathanThompson> Hi jmayfield_
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[20:53:55] <mmadia> bebits is back.
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[20:55:04] <JonathanThompson> It's partially back.
[20:57:49] <jmayfield_> JonathanThompson, so i got some awesome news on friday,, where awesome is all sarcastic-like
[20:58:03] <JonathanThompson> Oh?
[20:58:07] <JonathanThompson> Layoff?
[20:58:17] <jmayfield_> eventually
[20:58:45] <JonathanThompson> I'm correct, then?  Just the WARN act means it's "eventually" and not now...
[20:58:51] <jmayfield_> disneys new leader decided to axe the company
[20:59:01] <JonathanThompson> Ouch, that sucks.
[20:59:26] <jmayfield_> yeah.. its interesting, to say the least
[21:00:25] <JonathanThompson> Have you already started looking?
[21:01:01] <OmniMancer> what company?
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[21:01:05] <jmayfield_> i've certinly started thinking
[21:01:17] <stargater> hi
[21:01:18] * JonathanThompson wishes he could find a place where loyalty would reasonably be expected to be reciprocated...
[21:01:23] <jmayfield_> OmniMancer, imagemovers digital
[21:01:44] * JonathanThompson dials a random sequence of chevrons for stargater to ensure he has enough gas for his road trip
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[21:06:06] <HisMajesty> some people seem irritated to find out that thomas bayes was a preacher.
[21:06:37] * JonathanThompson doesn't recognize the name Thomas Bayes
[21:07:58] <HisMajesty> agms did the baysian spam filter-  Rev Thomas Bayes, introduced Bayes theorum, and a few other concepts, but bayes theorum is a probability theory.
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[21:09:23] <HisMajesty> which can be used for more than just spam, statistical analysis, psyhological profiling aids, etc.
[21:10:31] <HisMajesty> logic in a game. sure.  I'll throw that one off to my sister, she's not far from obtaining her doctor of science or arts.
[21:10:35] <JonathanThompson> Ah, ok.
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[21:10:55] * JonathanThompson is lousy at names
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[21:12:11] <HisMajesty> iirc, the bayes spam filter, I think was first of it's kind, but I could be mistaken.
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[21:16:54] <HisMajesty> I have to figure out how to survive in college, because, although I'm not supposed to work in the conventional sense or have a job.. because the devil works, I still am dealing with some stuff over my head.
[21:17:36] <JonathanThompson> Do you have a scholarship?
[21:17:45] * JonathanThompson isn't sure where HisMajesty is...
[21:17:59] <HisMajesty> me? heck no.  They only give those to those who don't read john 10:13
[21:18:30] <JonathanThompson> Ok, Netherlands...
[21:18:46] <HisMajesty> NC. in the land that the dutch forgot.
[21:19:08] <HisMajesty> dismal swamp north of here..  dime>latin root, disme, wonder.
[21:20:18] <HisMajesty> but i can bring the gold price down. In fact, it's about to happen.
[21:20:40] <JonathanThompson> How can you make the gold price go down?
[21:21:11] <HisMajesty> 2nd Timothy 2:20, But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
[21:22:05] <HisMajesty> My father gave me a gold ring. He was buried in the earth, in a wooden box.
[21:22:47] <JonathanThompson> Means nothing for the two: no connection, really.
[21:22:57] <HisMajesty> oh, but this has little to do with topics. no.  i would like to be able all day and work out this programming stuff.
[21:23:15] <JonathanThompson> He could have given you  a garbage bag and been buried in a gold coffin, too, though less likely on the latter part.
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[21:23:24] <HisMajesty> JonathanThompson, no. but the box was built to glorify God. as the ring was made also.
[21:23:36] <HisMajesty> they're toying with the gold of corruption.
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[21:24:04] <JonathanThompson> Well, speaking of scriptures in here is likely to get someone hot and bothered :p
[21:25:08] <HisMajesty> Well, hehe.. I am just saying  it is inevitable. You can go to james 5:3 to know that. but they will know.
[21:25:35] <HisMajesty> they want to play it the hard way
[21:25:58] <JonathanThompson> Getting too focused on riches of the earth leads to death in more ways than one, but to some degree, you still need to focus somewhat on them.
[21:26:32] <JonathanThompson> Then again, getting too focused on any single thing is going to cause real pervasive problems.
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[21:29:05] <HisMajesty> But, what can we say of bill gates and his kind?  Never worked a  day in their life like real people work, but that's not the problem, for it must be a lot of work, to carry that much gold around, but that's tarnish, you know. on the soul.  something not mentioned in delaware because that's not a real court of chancery. but long story short--  John 10:13 shows that the devil indeed works. harder than everyone thinks.
[21:30:08] <HisMajesty> I would have to work for the next 600,000 years in order to have that kind of money.
[21:31:20] <JonathanThompson> If you think Bill Gates never worked a day in his life, you're horribly misinformed at best.
[21:32:32] <HisMajesty> like i said, it must be pretty hard work to carry around that much taint.
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[21:33:16] <JonathanThompson> Wow, your ignorance is incredibly deep.
[21:33:43] <JonathanThompson> Do you seriously think he got to become a successful software developer and the company purely by having it handed to him?
[21:34:06] <HisMajesty> You don't have to defend him: we all know Delaware holds no such Court of Chancery, because, as christians, I do better and i don't have to follow the law, yet, they are not equitable in America. Surely not. The word is alien to them.
[21:34:06] <CIA-50> korli * r35862 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/devices/pci.ids: update pci idsO
[21:34:19] <JonathanThompson> Is he perfect?  No.  But, your ignorance and BS judgment from your lack of informed point of view paints you in no better of a light.
[21:34:33] <HisMajesty> I never asked about perfection. i didn't ask anything.
[21:34:57] <HisMajesty> Again, I need no devil's advocate. He's fired.
[21:35:17] <JonathanThompson> But you ARE making dumbass assumptions  and assertions about him never working an honest day of work in his life and attributing all his success to things not related to honestly working.
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[21:37:58] <HisMajesty> I am stating only what is the truth.  Nothing wrong with honest work-- but honestly, troubling times and troubled people, work is not the answer for them.
[21:38:42] <JonathanThompson> If you're stating his only "honest work"  in your estimation is that of carrying around the wealth he has acquired, then you're a pathological liar.
[21:38:47] <JonathanThompson> AND an idiot.
[21:39:06] <HisMajesty> no, ill gotten gains isn't HONEST work. it's work, alright.
[21:39:19] <JonathanThompson> And you think all his gains are ill gotten?
[21:39:28] <HisMajesty> I know it.
[21:39:45] <JonathanThompson> You don't know more than the shit between your ears, period, then.
[21:40:21] <HisMajesty> JonathanThompson, well, you're not going to get anything there the way you're being about it. Ill concieved arguements of yours I suppose.
[21:40:59] <HisMajesty> go ahead and say it "you're right, I'm not"
[21:41:12] <Auronandace> HisMajesty: here is a scripture for you to think about: James3:8,9
[21:41:46] <JonathanThompson> I have put you on /ignore because you are too blinded with foolish hatred to know squat about anything you criticize.
[21:42:23] <Advant-> Any idea why I have to restart Apache to get html changes to refresh?
[21:42:56] <HisMajesty> It's unwise to try to change someone's thinking such as mine on this. It's supported by documentation :-)
[21:43:32] <JonathanThompson> That IS odd, Advant-
[21:44:24] <JonathanThompson> Caching?
[21:45:19] * JonathanThompson notes HisMajesty's thinking is documented by psychiatric diagnostic materials
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[21:45:54] <HisMajesty> btw, even handing me money, handing the be community money, handing be incorperated money, that will do right, but he must repent and never do those things he did, again.
[21:46:13] <JonathanThompson> And the sanity is never in question: it isn't there in reference to the descriptions :p
[21:47:20] <JonathanThompson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applesoft_BASIC
[21:47:22] <HisMajesty> because, it's one thing, he's episcopal, but, you know, the bible says you got to walk the walk and not just talk the talk-- point is:  He's getting his reward now, and before you say, "well, he gives to the africans", so what, half of europe doesn't.
[21:47:40] <Auronandace> HisMajesty: you should be concerned with your own actions
[21:48:01] <Advant-> JonathanThompson: maybe because it isn't setup as a virtual server in apache config
[21:48:28] <HisMajesty> in a court of equity, the bible is a legally binding contract.
[21:48:58] <Advant-> in what country ;)
[21:49:04] <JonathanThompson> I've not spent enough time with apache to know the significance of that, Advant-
[21:49:14] <HisMajesty> Auronandace, that's just be more hireling of John 10:13
[21:49:24] <Advant-> JonathanThompson: so you think that is it?
[21:49:28] <HisMajesty> it's athenema
[21:49:35] <JonathanThompson> It's worth checking out.
[21:50:28] <JonathanThompson> If Apache is watching for file changes but isn't getting any, I could see it caching the most used stuff in RAM for performance reasons.
[21:50:57] <Auronandace> HisMajesty: my point is, why are you concerned over someone elses actions when all we can control is what WE do, our OWN actions
[21:52:38] <flameshadow> I think you mean anathema, not athenema
[21:53:48] <HisMajesty> My point is: actions can be taken.  The Delaware Court of Chancery, where be inc had to go, is not a real court of chancery. those used to have clergymen included as officers, and was a court of equity. That court there is part of the machine which continually violates the 13 and 14 amendments, as does the rest of that machine up there.
[21:54:24] <HisMajesty> "we admit no fault" msft had the judge rule they would not have to admit fault. tis the trend in america now.
[21:54:39] <Advant-> JonathanThompson: ah, I misread your startment, I missed the "not" :)
[21:54:44] <HisMajesty> it's how business is done. no oh sorry, didn't mean to knock you over. it's get out of my way or else.
[21:54:52] <JonathanThompson> oops :)
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[21:59:07] * JonathanThompson imagines HisMajesty spinning at the end of his self-inflicted noose as he dangles himself from the highest tree he can dream up
[22:05:52] <stpere> yawn
[22:06:35] * JonathanThompson sticks armor-coated finger into stpere's mouth before it closes
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[22:12:18] <HisMajesty> I quote the Texian, Robt E Howard "Shet up!" I snarled. "I'm jest payin' yuh back for all the pain and humiliation I suffered in this den of iniquity--"
[22:15:56] <HisMajesty> that is what america has turned into, and I apologize, on the behalf of my countrymen, who may be too afraid to stand up to speak on equitable matters.
[22:16:10] <HisMajesty> bbl
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[22:48:08] <stargater> hi
[22:49:38] <kirilla> hi stargater
[22:50:09] <stargater> hi
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[22:51:38] <MrBlueSky> Does Haiku use xorg?
[22:52:35] <mmlr_mc> nope
[22:53:03] <MrBlueSky> So is it like a static windows manager kind of thing?
[22:53:39] <mmlr_mc> it's not really seperated
[22:54:06] <MrBlueSky> oh ok
[22:54:25] <OmniMancer> shhhhhhhh
[22:54:38] <OmniMancer> oh whew he isn't here
[22:55:14] <OmniMancer> you don't want your head bitten off MrBlueSky? well don't mention xorg in this channel
[22:56:00] <MrBlueSky> Oh, well I was just curious. I'm not sure that it's a great idea to force a windows manager on the user, but I'll admit it makes things a lot simpler.
[22:56:05] <MrBlueSky> People here don't like xorg?
[22:56:18] <mmlr_mc> not really
[22:56:32] <OmniMancer> one person in particular who isn't here right now
[22:56:52] <MrBlueSky> ooooo
[22:57:22] <mmlr_mc> ironically the concepts aren't that far apart anyway
[22:57:27] <OmniMancer> in some ways linux's diversity of window managers causes many integration problems
[22:57:39] <MrBlueSky> Yeah, I know what you mean
[22:57:39] <kirilla> (we don't use xfree86 either :)
[22:57:53] <OmniMancer> I like hiaku's way
[22:58:06] <OmniMancer> I wish we could have it on windows and linux :P
[22:58:38] <MrBlueSky> I've never tried Haiku out, but it's definitely interesting. I come across it every now and then and I'm thinking about giving it a whirl sometime this week.
[22:59:04] <kirilla> I wouldn't mind seeing some window-manager-ish pluggability in Haiku
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[22:59:19] <mmlr_mc> why not grab a vm image and check it out
[22:59:37] <MrBlueSky> Because arch linux hates vmware for some reason
[22:59:39] <MrBlueSky> >:
[22:59:49] <mmadia> speaking of vmware/virtualbox...
[22:59:49] <mmlr_mc> qemu or virtualbox should do fine
[23:00:00] <kirilla> our raw images can be run from a usb stick
[23:00:17] <MrBlueSky> I think I'll probably go the usb way
[23:00:26] <OmniMancer> yes mmadia?
[23:00:37] <mmadia> since virturalbox supports running vmware images, would it be worthwhile to rename our "*-vmware*" targets as something more generic?
[23:00:47] <kirilla> MrBlueSky: www.haiku-files.org is where we keep our nightlies
[23:00:56] <mmlr_mc> speaking of images being runable from usb sticks, any plans to set up anyboot image genration mmadia?
[23:01:15] <mmadia> once you give me the green light :)
[23:01:16] <OmniMancer> mmadia: I would suggest leaving them as long as you are making vmdks
[23:01:32] <mmlr_mc> actually qemu supports vmdks as well
[23:01:41] <mmlr_mc> so they could be renamed to just "vm"
[23:01:43] <OmniMancer> yes
[23:01:45] <OmniMancer> but
[23:01:48] <HeTo> I suppose they could be named *-vmdk-*
[23:01:51] <OmniMancer> vmdks are still vmware
[23:01:58] <OmniMancer> so name it vmdk if you reallly want to
[23:02:36] <mmlr_mc> well, the vmdk spec is open, so vmdks aren't really product specific
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[23:03:23] <OmniMancer> no
[23:03:31] <OmniMancer> but they are vmware's disk images
[23:03:53] <kirilla> :P
[23:04:01] <mmlr_mc> the vmx is vmware specific, the rest is just a different wrapping
[23:04:18] <OmniMancer> yes they aren't vmware specific anymore
[23:04:32] <OmniMancer> but they are still vmware native and not native to other systems
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[23:05:16] <mmlr_mc> I think if you want to designate the image purpose with the name then you could rename them to "vm"
[23:05:20] <kirilla> one could of course spell out every vm that supports the image, in the image name :P
[23:05:26] <mmlr_mc> though then what to rename "raw" to?
[23:05:29] <mmadia> well. in the meantime, i updated haiku-files to mention "VMWare & VirtualBox Images" -- hopefully that'll steer VB users into not using the cd images.
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[23:06:03] <mmadia> disk?
[23:06:19] <mmadia> .dd ?  :)
[23:07:14] <kirilla> bbl
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[23:07:36] <OmniMancer> one can use the raw's in a vm too :P
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[23:08:19] <l_n> yay.. programming books are so much fun.. (i've switched from lisp to c++ for the time being..)
[23:08:44] <l_n> i have to keep telling myself that the simple things in the examples are what build useful complex things.
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[23:09:13] * OmniMancer giggles.
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[23:10:46] <l_n> OmniMancer: yeah, yeah.. i blame my impatience on my personality type.
[23:12:00] <mmlr_mc> if you're too impatient for books just go out and self-teach
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[23:12:56] <l_n> well, without the task of finishing the book to push me along, i'll get distracted and do something else and never finish. so the book is what focuses me to the task.
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[23:14:50] * mmadia chains l_n to a basement radiator
[23:14:56] <mmadia> problem solved ;)
[23:15:25] <l_n> if you lend any credence to MBTI, then you'll know my problem when i mention that i'm an INTP
[23:16:49] <l_n> but, that may be labelled as just an excuse, as well.
[23:17:23] <l_n> s/\(use\).*/\1/
[23:18:03] <l_n> it would be nice to be able to use regex's with google... (i tried the other day and got some weird results as google ignored the regex and treated it almost literally)
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[23:18:46] <OmniMancer> the problem is what happens if you actually want to search the regex pattern not what it matches?
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[23:20:07] <l_n> maybe a regex:"..." function
[23:20:56] <CIA-50> stippi * r311 /webkit/trunk/WebCore/platform/graphics/haiku/ImageBufferHaiku.cpp:
[23:20:56] <CIA-50> * Fixed a possible division by zero when demultiplying colors.
[23:20:56] <CIA-50> * Moved a comment into it's appropriate scope.
[23:21:34] <stargater> oh yes stippi is back
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[23:21:56] <mmlr_mc> l_n: well google codesearch supports regex ;-)
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[23:29:13] <os_not_found> could vuze work on haiku
[23:29:46] <os_not_found> ?
[23:30:02] <os_not_found> its java based app
[23:30:17] <os_not_found> uses jre 1.6
[23:30:28] <mmlr_mc> nope
[23:30:38] <os_not_found> why?
[23:30:46] <mmlr_mc> anyone ever heared of bella/benix?
[23:30:49] <mmlr_mc> http://code.google.com/p/bella/wiki/PageName
[23:30:57] <mmadia> we need you to port java first, os_not_found.
[23:31:40] <os_not_found> could i install beta  / svn version of the port
[23:31:45] <os_not_found> if exists
[23:33:09] <os_not_found> bella = php haiku-like os
[23:33:14] <os_not_found> right?
[23:33:38] <os_not_found> bella vs eyeos
[23:33:52] <os_not_found> what would you prefer
[23:34:23] <os_not_found> ?
[23:34:46] <os_not_found> its there a beta / svn version of the java port?
[23:35:34] <MrBlueSky> Sweet, I got haiku booting in virtualbox
[23:35:57] <os_not_found> it so easy
[23:36:14] <MrBlueSky> Yep. I had a bit of trouble because virtualbox is a lot different that vmware though
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[23:36:37] <MrBlueSky> I like the crisp look to it
[23:36:46] <MrBlueSky> Haiku I mean
[23:37:34] <os_not_found> it so boring
[23:37:51] <os_not_found> a blue background
[23:38:46] <MrBlueSky> Ah well I assume I can fix that quickly.
[23:40:16] <os_not_found> and grayscale buttons menus
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[23:40:44] <os_not_found> the only good thing is the deskbar
[23:40:59] <os_not_found> and the yellow app border
[23:41:12] <AlienSoldier> os_not_found just put a vectrex plastic in front of it
[23:41:23] <os_not_found> eh?
[23:41:55] <AlienSoldier> vectrex video game console, they invented themming :)
[23:41:59] <OmniMancer> os_not_found: You can change the button colours
[23:42:12] <os_not_found> how
[23:42:24] <OmniMancer> preferences somewhere
[23:42:36] <OmniMancer> I make my window tabs green
[23:43:50] <os_not_found> it would be a great  to start a uieffects kit
[23:44:05] <os_not_found> transparency
[23:44:08] <mmlr_mc> I'd like to avoid that, really
[23:44:09] <os_not_found> shadow
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[23:44:23] <os_not_found> becuse?
[23:44:36] <mmlr_mc> shadows maybe, but transparency IMO causes more confusion to the eye than anything else
[23:44:43] <os_not_found> yes
[23:45:21] <os_not_found> and other effect that  windows 7 and compiz in linux uses
[23:46:04] <os_not_found> that would atract user
[23:46:07] <os_not_found> s
[23:46:11] <OmniMancer> the thing is
[23:46:20] <OmniMancer> we need hardware accel for that to work nicely
[23:46:39] <os_not_found> that is aanother project to start
[23:46:43] <OmniMancer> no hardware accle == no transp
[23:46:49] <OmniMancer> it has been started
[23:46:49] <os_not_found> i understand
[23:46:55] <OmniMancer> but you can finish it quicker
[23:47:02] <os_not_found> how ?
[23:47:06] <OmniMancer> also I actually like haiku and think it looks quite nice
[23:47:07] <mmlr_mc> I don't really understand the transparency obsession these days
[23:47:11] <OmniMancer> by working on it :P
[23:47:25] <OmniMancer> transp would be nice for games :P
[23:48:15] <mmlr_mc> it's cool and all, but at the end of the day it makes my brain hurt to constantly have to discern the actual content from the half-transparent-shine-through-background that changes depending on what I happen to have running in the background
[23:48:42] <os_not_found> no thanks im really bad os developer (and also c php java and any other lang i tried)
[23:49:05] <OmniMancer> indeed
[23:49:25] <OmniMancer> but for windows in games (the kind that have panes and live in houses) it is a must :P
[23:49:35] <os_not_found> i cant i even got to to boot  a very basic kernel
[23:49:57] <OmniMancer> that is a rather bad sentence...
[23:49:57] <mmlr_mc> sure, I don't have to get something done there other than for fun though
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[23:50:34] <MrBlueSky> Question, What's the name of Haiku's internet browser?
[23:50:38] <MrBlueSky> what would I type at shell?
[23:50:39] <os_not_found> why is a bad sentence?
[23:50:51] <os_not_found> bezilla
[23:50:54] <MrBlueSky> thnx
[23:50:54] <mmlr_mc> today I was releaved to find a kill switch in the picasa settings for the "special effects"
[23:51:36] <mmlr_mc> at first it's all cool and feels very "modern" and such, but it quickly got on my nerves when I started to wait for the animation to finish when rotating an image
[23:51:47] <OmniMancer> :P
[23:51:53] <OmniMancer> yes that can be annoying
[23:51:54] <mmlr_mc> in the end it just wastes my time
[23:51:59] <OmniMancer> it should just rotate
[23:52:16] <os_not_found> maybe something like windows xp would for haiku\
[23:52:25] <os_not_found> no shadow trasparence
[23:52:39] <mmlr_mc> it's quite ok as it is
[23:52:44] <os_not_found> but claer and brillant color
[23:53:08] <os_not_found> haiku ui is kinda depressing and boring
[23:53:17] <mmlr_mc> could maybe take away a bit of the grey, yeah
[23:53:20] <OmniMancer> os_not_found: "i cant i even got to to boot  a very basic kernel" second I is not supposed to be there and there are two to's in a row that aren't supposed to be I think
[23:53:37] <OmniMancer> make it green :P
[23:53:50] <OmniMancer> (0,255,0) colour :P
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[23:54:09] <os_not_found> painful for my eyes
[23:54:21] <os_not_found> maybe (0,170,0)
[23:54:49] <OmniMancer> :P
[23:55:38] <os_not_found> i think the solution would not be a single color but a combination like windows blue-gray-orange
[23:55:52] <os_not_found> all in the ui gray
[23:56:20] <os_not_found> no effect when you roolover a menu say file edit etc
[23:57:17] <OmniMancer> how about green-green-green-purple-blue
[23:57:37] <os_not_found> no
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[23:57:50] <os_not_found> my eyes my eyes
[23:57:57] <os_not_found> something like this
[23:57:59] <os_not_found> http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/408/haikuexcc1.png
[23:58:16] <os_not_found> gradients
[23:58:23] <os_not_found> rounded borders
[23:58:36] <mmlr_mc> there actually are gradients
[23:58:55] <mmlr_mc> ever saw a screenshot of pre-gradient haiku?
[23:59:03] <os_not_found> no
[23:59:20] <os_not_found> but something like the phto
[23:59:27] <os_not_found> image
[23:59:39] <os_not_found> shadows
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